Cincinnati @ Washington 6/24/17

[Ron Madden]

Reds

CF: Billy Hamilton
2B: Scooter Gennett
1B: Joey Votto
LF: Adam Duvall
3B: Eugenio Suarez
RF: Scott Schebler
SS: Jose Peraza
C: Tucker Barnhart
SP: Homer Bailey

Nationals

SS: Trea Turner
LF: Brian Goodwin
RF: Bryce Harper
1B: Ryan Zimmerman
2B: Daniel Murphy
3B: Anthony Rendon
C: Matt Wieters
CF: Michael A. Taylor
SP: Joe Ross

This Washington club is loaded with talent

[Bourgeois Zee]

Excited to see Homer again.

Bet he has some butterflies today.

[Tom Servo]

A bit surprised to see Peraza in there, he looked to be in a lot of pain after fouling a ball off his knee last night.

[CySeymour]

What's the corresponding move to activate Homer?

[Ron Madden]

What's the corresponding move to activate Homer?

Winker back to Louisville

[PutPeteIn]

What's the corresponding move to activate Homer?

Bart Simpson sent down

[kaldaniels]

Let's go Homer!

[RedTeamGo!]

Winker back to Louisville

For reals?

[Red Raindog]

sadly - I just don't see Hamilton having the ability to ever hit enough

[KeefeCato]

Hamilton is painfull to watch.

[Tom Servo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZAqlx_9lv0

Bailey. Homer Bailey.
He's the greatest guy in history.

[Ron Madden]

For reals?

yep

[Kc61]

Bailey gives up a hit and Chris tells us that we have to "temper our expectations."

Chris, I'm a Reds fan. I have no expectations.

[757690]

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[Tom Servo]

Reds making Brian Goodwin look like an All-Star.

[Todd Gack]

Solid start by Field & Stream.

[Ron Madden]

C'mon Homer settle down

[Tom Servo]

2-0 Nats on a Ryan Zimmerman double

[Ron Madden]

E-4

[Tom Servo]

Scooter...

[KeefeCato]

31 pitch first inn. Homer fits right in.

[Tom Servo]

Well that could have gone better. But it also could have gone worse.

[Ron Madden]

Nats 2
Reds 0

After 1 inning

[Kc61]

Homer looked good. Fastball at 94, his usual base line. Threw some good breaking pitches. Command will need work, obviously, after long lay off.

I'm encouraged. He may not go too deep today, 31 pitches, but looks like Homer Bailey, generally speaking.

[malcontent]

sadly - I just don't see Hamilton having the ability to ever hit enough
I actually thought he would, enough to really be a factor. There's gotta be a hitting coach somewhere who could help.

Wasn't there talk about him hitting RH all the time?

[Ironman92]

No way Votto caught that ball because it's been proven that his full jump leaves the ground by 2 inches.....he was close to 2 feet off the ground.

[Ron Madden]

Good bunt Homer

[NebraskaRed]

Nice AB for Tucker

[Ironman92]

Good to see Homer being pissy

[Ron Madden]

It would be nice if Billy could get on base every now and then.

[NebraskaRed]

What to do with Billy Hamilton

[malcontent]

Does Price ever call for the squeeze bunt?

[Tom Servo]

3-0 Nats. This ain't going so hot.

[Ironman92]

At what point do you quit pitching Turner hittable fastballs on outside corner? 3 straight oppo hits for him

[Tom Servo]

At what point do you quit pitching Turner hittable fastballs on outside corner? 3 straight oppo hits for him
That was a breaking ball.

[Ironman92]

What to do with Billy Hamilton

Have him race fans around warning track between innings?

[Rantly]

Homer looked good. Fastball at 94, his usual base line. Threw some good breaking pitches. Command will need work, obviously, after long lay off.

I'm encouraged. He may not go too deep today, 31 pitches, but looks like Homer Bailey, generally speaking.

Unfortunately...

[Ironman92]

That was a breaking ball.

What location?

[ScotlandRed]

First start back, but this isn't pretty from Homer

[Tom Servo]

Stop.

Walking.

Goodwin.

[Ironman92]

Pitching Harper good


Hey Thom....Harper was injured last year

[KeefeCato]

Stop.

Walking.

Goodwin.

He doesn't wanna pitch to Babe Goodwin. He knows he can K Harper :laugh:

[KeefeCato]

Thom when we do see Arizona please return to your old job with them.

[Ironman92]

Playing with fire much?

[Tom Servo]

Homer getting squeezed like Castillo yesterday. Not that he'd be doing fine even with the calls, but it isn't helping.

[BluegrassRedleg]

What to do with Billy Hamilton

Unless you have a lineup that allows him to just be Cesar Geronimo, it's utterly pointless to have him as an everyday player.


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[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom can't count.


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[Tom Servo]

Homer with a challenge fastball with bases loaded on 3-2 with 2 outs to Murphy.

Bases clearing double. 6-0 Nats. 60 pitches for Bailey.

[reds44]

Just wait for Bailey and Finnegan to get back lol

[Ron Madden]

Bailey has a lotta rust he still needs to knock off

[Ironman92]

This lineup is no joke.

[NebraskaRed]

His next start will be better than this one.



I hope.

[Tom Servo]

7-0 Nats.

[ScotlandRed]

Pretty terrible from Bailey, didn't seem to be able to get anything consistently in for strikes.

Yes the Nats are good but a little disappointed with that outing

[Ironman92]

His next start will be better than this one.



I hope.

Short branch there....

[CincyDave]

Well that went well.

[WVRedsFan]

How does Washington ever lose? Lots of fire power. For those that think the Reds are a contender, what you're seeing today is a contender.

[NebraskaRed]

His next start will be better than this one.



I hope.

I will bet upwards of 2 dollars that he doesn't give up 7 runs in 2 innings his next start.

[Ironman92]

Good news is Joe Ross sucks and so does their pen....so might only lose 12-7

[Crumbley]

I will bet upwards of 2 dollars that he doesn't give up 7 runs in 2 innings his next start.

I wish I had your confidence.

[Ron Madden]

How does Washington ever lose? Lots of fire power. For those that think the Reds are a contender, what you're seeing today is a contender.

The Nats are loaded. one weakness has been their bullpen.

[Banshee]

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[Ironman92]

Thank God for the 9-2-6 putout

[Tom Servo]

The Nats are loaded. one weakness has been their bullpen.
Which is why I would dangle Raisel Iglesias in front of them to possibly land a huge haul.

[CincyDave]

I will bet upwards of 2 dollars that he doesn't give up 7 runs in 2 innings his next start.

That's presuming that he does make it out of the 1st.

[Ironman92]

Which is why I would dangle Raisel Iglesias in front of them to possibly land a huge haul.

What would you hope to obtain from them?

[Rojo Rijo]

Reds making Brian Goodwin look like an All-Star.

I work with his mother so I wouldnt mind seeing him become an all star


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[NebraskaRed]

Just need Scooter to hit 8 solo home runs and they're right back in this game.

[Edskin]

I would have more optimism if I didn't believe we were at ground zero with the rotation. Disco is literally the ONLY SP in the ENTIRE ORGANIZATION with a safely legitimate future-- a guy we can count on. And he is currently suffering a major arm injury that puts that at least a little bit in doubt. It's the most important part of the team and our cupboard is completely bare. Feel like the Reds are "building" this totally bass akwards.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wakes up from nap and checks MLB at bat app...

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/958/457/bc9.gif

[Ironman92]

Homer ERA 43.20

Scooter would've had 2 more HR if this series at GABP

[Ron Madden]

It's good to see a Reds pitcher get the first batter of an inning out.

[Edskin]

Which is why I would dangle Raisel Iglesias in front of them to possibly land a huge haul.

I'll take it a step further... I would dangle EVERYONE in pursuit of SP. I don't view anyone as untouchable. I think our approach is flawed and I'd prefer to start over right now. We have a few assets we've acquired (Schebler, Iglesias, etc) that would likely be appealing to contending teams. My needed return would be SP that are either established MLB #4 or better with at least 3 years of team control or very high end/almost ready prospects that might be currently blocked in their current organization.

[KeefeCato]

I am guessing no matter how well or how bad Bonilla pitches today he gets sent out for a fresh arm tomorrow.

[RedTeamGo!]

I'll take it a step further... I would dangle EVERYONE in pursuit of SP. I don't view anyone as untouchable. I think our approach is flawed and I'd prefer to start over right now. We have a few assets we've acquired (Schebler, Iglesias, etc) that would likely be appealing to contending teams. My needed return would be SP that are either established MLB #4 or better with at least 3 years of team control or very high end/almost ready prospects that might be currently blocked in their current organization.

Completely burn it down a year into the rebuild?

Nah.

[Tom Servo]

I'll take it a step further... I would dangle EVERYONE in pursuit of SP. I don't view anyone as untouchable. I think our approach is flawed and I'd prefer to start over right now. We have a few assets we've acquired (Schebler, Iglesias, etc) that would likely be appealing to contending teams. My needed return would be SP that are either established MLB #4 or better with at least 3 years of team control or very high end/almost ready prospects that might be currently blocked in their current organization.
Nah, tearing it all down in the pursuit of more pitching would be foolish. You have to figure out where you are going wrong with pitcher development and fix it.

[Ron Madden]

I am guessing no matter how well or how bad Bonilla pitches today he gets sent out for a fresh arm tomorrow.

That crossed my mind too.

[Ironman92]

Please don't walk Goodwin again

[PutPeteIn]

Trea "hit Machine" Turner

[Rantly]

Which is why I would dangle Raisel Iglesias in front of them to possibly land a huge haul.
The haul probably got smaller after last nights performance though.

[Ironman92]

Refreshing seeing only a 21 pitch inning. Like watching Mark Buehrle

[Tom Servo]

Wow Bonilla got Goodwin out.

[CincyDave]

Completely burn it down a year into the rebuild?

Nah.

I count this as Year THREE.

[Edskin]

Completely burn it down a year into the rebuild?

Nah.

There isn't anything to burn. They were horrendous last year and they are horrendous again this year. IMO we aren't currently building a winner so there's nothing to lose. Give me some legit SP and I feel differently. I think winning 68 games where you always lose 3-2 is better than winning 68 and losing 8-6 all the time. I believe if you solidify the rotation the margin is greater and it's easier to make a leap.

[Tom Servo]

There isn't anything to burn. They were horrendous last year and they are horrendous again this year. IMO we aren't currently building a winner so there's nothing to lose. Give me some legit SP and I feel differently. I think winning 68 games where you always lose 3-2 is better than winning 68 and losing 8-6 all the time. I believe if you solidify the rotation the margin is greater and it's easier to make a leap.
So what do you when those "legit SP" are ready for free agency or get hurt?

It's a bad idea. You have to figure out how to make your pitching prospects not fall apart at the big league level, it's that simple.

[BUTLER REDSFAN]

When was that 4 game sweep of St. Louis? Was that this year? Seems much longer.

[Tom Servo]

Nice AB by Peraza but he simply wouldn't take the walk.

[Edskin]

So what do you when those "legit SP" are ready for free agency or get hurt?

It's a bad idea. You have to figure out how to make your pitching prospects not fall apart at the big league level, it's that simple.

It's probably because they aren't very good. I don't doubt that we are likely messing up development, but if a guy is gonna be good he is probably gonna be good. If our "prospects" were finding success post-Reds I'd think you might be on to something but I think our bigger issue is scouting and being able to identify talent. Then using our assets to acquire legitimate help. Right now we have some appealing assets where maybe we can eliminate the guessing game and skip over our biggest flaw-- make deals for guys that are already established either at the ML level or are very young and dominating AAA.

[Ron Madden]

Nice AB by Peraza but he simply wouldn't take the walk.

Kinda reminds me of BP, if it's close he's swingin'.

[Edskin]

I am guessing no matter how well or how bad Bonilla pitches today he gets sent out for a fresh arm tomorrow.

By "fresh arm" do you mean still attached to the body? I think we have a few of those still. Otherwise?....

[Ron Madden]

Damn... They get on base even when they strike out.

[Kc61]

The problem with the Reds, and we Reds fans, is that we're conditioned to think about prospects, not major league players.

When good teams have weaknesses, they go out and fix them. The Reds trade a vet for a AA guy and pray.

I've been all for rebuilding, the system was bare. Now, they have good prospects, good MLB hitters, make trades and acquire two solid major league veteran starters. Rebuilding from scratch ends this year. Go out and put together a baseball team.

You want to hire new development coaches, fine, do all that. But -

It's time to think Reds - not Tortugas and Blue Wahoos. Reds. Major leagues. Starting this coming off-season.

Instead of younger and cheaper, let's go a little older and a bit more costly. The time has come.

[Banshee]

Hmm..

[paintmered]

Uncle.

[Ron Madden]

The problem with the Reds, and us Reds fans, is that we're conditioned to think about prospects, not baseball players.

When other teams have weaknesses, they go out and fill them. The Reds trade a vet for a AA guy and pray.

I've been all for rebuilding, but now they have the system in place, they have some good hitters, go out and acquire two solid major league veteran starters. Rebuilding ends this year. Go out and put together a baseball team.

You want to hire new development coaches, fine, do all that. But -

It's time to think Reds - not Tortugas and Blue Wahoos. Reds. Major leagues. Starting this coming off-season.

Instead of younger and cheaper, let's go older and a bit more costly.

You can't build a consistent winner like that in a small market.
You gotta have a pipeline of young talent and you have to replenish the pipeline when you move talent up to MLB or when you trade that talent.

[paintmered]

Has Price tried calling this team a bunch of lollygaggers?

[Ron Madden]

OH my!!! Billy got a hit!!!!

[Ironman92]

OH my!!! Billy got a hit!!!!

I was dogging him hard here at home right as he got the hit

[Ron Madden]

I was dogging him hard here at home right as he got the hit

I've lost all confidence in Billy ever becoming a good hitter.

[Ironman92]

Even Harper got a hit

[Ron Madden]

Anything that could go wrong is going wrong

[Tom Servo]

Today seems like a good day to give Bryan Price his pink slip. Just sayin.

[Mutaman]

Today seems like a good day to give Bryan Price his pink slip. Just sayin.

Its time for a change.

[Ron Madden]

Today seems like a good day to give Bryan Price his pink slip. Just sayin.

I'm not sure if that would help anything right now or not..JMHO

[Tom Servo]

I'm not sure if that would help anything right now or not..JMHO
Probably not, but I'd feel better. I'm just tired of the rationalizing, managers with better track records or less time than Price have routinely gotten the axe.

[Tom Servo]

Kivlehan goes deep to prevent the shutout

[Mutaman]

I'm not sure if that would help anything right now or not..JMHO


i'd feel better. that would help me.

[Ron Madden]

i'd feel better. that would help me.

You would feel better for awhile then you probably would be wanting the next guy fired too. ;)

[Mutaman]

You would feel better for awhile then you probably would be wanting the next guy fired too. ;)


Not big on speculation and hypotheticals. Cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now, its time for a change.

[Kc61]

You can't build a consistent winner like that in a small market.
You gotta have a pipeline of young talent and you have to replenish the pipeline when you move talent up to MLB or when you trade that talent.

It is the only way to win. Build a farm, develop a couple of areas.

Then use your strength to trade for and sign guys who can help you win.

Sure, keep drafting and developing.

But when you have enough assets make your move.

It cannot be all youth all the time. That is perpetual rebuilding.

When the time comes, go for big leaguers.

[Ron Madden]

Not big on speculation and hypotheticals. Cross that bridge when we come to it. Right now, its time for a change.

It's no skin off my back if they fire him or not.

I just don't see what good firing him right now would do.
It's not like whoever replaces him will turn the 2017 Reds into a winning team.
Just my humble opinion.

[Ron Madden]

It is the only way to win. Build a farm, develop a couple of areas.

Then use your strength to trade for and sign guys who can help you win.

Sure, keep drafting and developing.

But when you have enough assets make your move.

It cannot be all youth all the time. That is perpetual rebuilding.

When the time comes, go for big leaguers.

Sure.. When the time comes..

That time has not come yet.

[Ron Madden]

Another RBI for Kivlehan
Nats 14
Reds 2

[Ron Madden]

Geno sac fly Nats 14 Reds 3

[Raisor]

There might be some overreacting going on based on one start by Bailey. The only thing that really matters is how he feels tomorrow

[Ron Madden]

There might be some overreacting going on based on one start by Bailey. The only thing that really matters is how he feels tomorrow

AHHH! A voice of reason

[Raisor]

AHHH! A voice of reason

Some days it feels like only you and me are sane around here

[Ron Madden]

Some days it feels like only you and me are sane around here

I have no doubt about you sanity.

Mine on the other hand....
I'm goin nuts

[Kc61]

Sure.. When the time comes..

That time has not come yet.

This coming off season.

[Ron Madden]

This coming off season.

I doubt it

[Ironman92]

Winning streak starts tomorrow

[Tony Cloninger]

Small market excuse gets old. They should have never signed Bailey or Phillips then let alone Votto for LTCs then if they were all of a sudden going to have an aversion to signing a Pitcher who can at least be a #2. They sure as heck can trade Hamilton because I am sure someone will buy into Havoc. A couple of prospects too along with him for at worst a #3.

[Ron Madden]

Winning streak starts tomorrow

We all could sure use a winning streak

[Ironman92]

I'm willing to bet $1,000 of Ron Madden's money that Turner and Taylor have never combined to reach base 8x in one game....let alone 10

[Tony Cloninger]

Trea Turner chops down on the ball. Something Hamilton might think of trying to do in order to survive as a regular much longer.

[Ron Madden]

Ha!!!

[Ironman92]

Trea Turner chops down on the ball. Something Hamilton might think of trying to do in order to survive as a regular much longer.

Launch angle baby

[Tony Cloninger]

And Phillips is Darrell Evans compared to Peraza. He walked way more than this guy. It's not even close as to how bad Peraza is at pitch selection. NOW yes I do see why he has been traded a few times. He almost looks Juan Castro bad as a hitter.

[WVRedsFan]

It is the only way to win. Build a farm, develop a couple of areas.

Then use your strength to trade for and sign guys who can help you win.

Sure, keep drafting and developing.

But when you have enough assets make your move.

It cannot be all youth all the time. That is perpetual rebuilding.

When the time comes, go for big leaguers.Totally agree. If this goes on, you'll lose your fan base.

[WVRedsFan]

Blake Wood-fire

[Tony Cloninger]

That's exactly what the Reds did in the middle of 1985. Traded for Buddy Bell and Bo Diaz using prospects once they were contending again. There was angst about trading Duane Walker. Gary Redus. Jeff Russell. They of course had better available pitching but they also went after a FA who solidified the team in regards to leadership. The Reds need a. Pitching version of Dave Parker right now.

[Tom Servo]

And Phillips is Darrell Evans compared to Peraza. He walked way more than this guy. It's not even close as to how bad Peraza is at pitch selection. NOW yes I do see why he has been traded a few times. He almost looks Juan Castro bad as a hitter.
Phillips stats in the big leagues were way worse than Peraza's when he was Peraza's age.

[Ron Madden]

It's Over!

[Powder River]

Totally agree. If this goes on, you'll lose your fan base.

They're losing me and I've been here since the early 70's.... blame it on small market, rebuilding, whatever, this is getting real old.

[WVRedsFan]

Can anyone recall a manager in his fourth (or third) year of "rebuilding" who lost this horribly every night? I'm curious.

[Ron Madden]

Sparky would get his butt kicked too if you gave him the tools Price has had to work with.

We've had some pretty ugly pitching staffs in recent years.

[RedTeamGo!]

I count this as Year THREE.

And you would be wrong. They had to tear it down before rebuilding. At most it is year two.

Dickie's first year of calling the shots as well. Are people arguing the Reds were rebuilding in 2014? Really?

[DocRed]

MLB umps once again show why they are terrible...its clear the ump wanted Mes to be out so he could go home.

[Henry Clay]

I was at the game today in DC, and it was a brutal thing to behold. My kids kept asking if the Reds could come back, and the pitchers kept giving up walks, hits, and tons of runs, backed up by errors in the field. Rather than telling them there was no hope, we left before Blake Wood appeared to make something horrible unspeakable. The Reds are not playing good baseball in any phase right now, and it showed against a team like the Nationals, who are much better in every aspect of the game.

When I left early to go to the Metro, I was walking with a stream of fans in Reds and other Ohio-related gear. There were a lot of people there to watch the Reds. They likely live in this market, where there is a winning team with multiple star players and a plan for success. Those are the kinds of fans who will be the first to give up hope and put on another team's hat. It's kind of sad and frustrating to think about on a day like today.

Here's hoping tomorrow will bring a Reds win and restore some of the hope to this board.

[WVRedsFan]

Tonight, our little town had a celebration. It was a celebration that we had survived the 1,000-year flood and were coming back. Part of that was fireworks. It was a chilly night in eastern WV, so I had on a jacket and my Mr. Red cap. Had a guy I didn't know (and that's hard to do in a town of 1,500) and asked me if I was a Reds fan and how was I standing it. Came to find out, he was a super fan from 1969-recently. He gave up on the team ever winning again after Dusty's 2013 Reds became Price's 2014+ Reds. That's what is happening with fans right now. His argument that the Reds have always been a small market team (that argument didn't work) and could be counted on to put a quality product on the field and now that they only want to sign prospects and save money. I let him go on awhile and quietly excused myself, but there are lots like that and I doubt we will ever get them back. It's sad.

[Big Klu]

Wow. Just wow. Glad I wasn't around RZ for this one.

As for the Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game, I'm going to go with Nats starter Joe Ross, who pitched 7 innings, allowing 1 run on 6 hits with 5 K's and only 1 BB to get the win.

(Nats SS Trea Turner and CF Michael Taylor were also very deserving, but I think the Old Lefthander would go with the pitcher in this case.)

[Big Klu]

1-13 since June 9.

[cumberlandreds]

Usually I go to into DC an watch the Reds play the Nats. This year I didn't really even consider it because of the awful state the Reds are in. After these first two games I am even more glad I didn't waste my time and money to go into DC to watch this mess of a franchise. Just absolutely horrible. Apathy has set in for me and I don't think it will go away for a long time, if ever. The Reds are just miles and miles away from competing with the top level teams. None of the young pitchers are working out and the one they were to build around, Bailey,looks like he is cooked as an effective major league pitcher. They are now in a perpetual state of rebuild. The absolute worst condition a franchise can be in.