6.28.17 The Milwaukee We Should Have Kept Our Scooters vs Thames' Reds

[klw]

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[PutPeteIn]

No Cozart

[Big Klu]

Evidently Cozart was not activated as he hoped he would?

[klw]

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Cozart said he's feeling much, much better. He ran the bases today. He hopes to be activated tomorrow. Price said he's close

[GADawg]

No Manny Piña.....yay for us!!

[PutPeteIn]

No Manny Piña.....yay for us!!

Yeah I hear he's busy getting a mani pedi...

[PutPeteIn]

Why bat Thames 2nd with all that pop?

[klw]

Why bat Thames 2nd with all that pop?

Because he lacks the brawn to hit 3rd.

[RedsfaninMT]

Because he lacks the brawn to hit 3rd.

You are in fine form this evening, between this and the Votto/Donkey thread.

[Wolves198921]

I am excited to see Castillo. He pitched well against the Nationals and would have had the win against Strausburg if not for our bullpen. Time to see if that performance was a fluke or if he's legit.

[Wonderful Monds]

I am excited to see Castillo. He pitched well against the Nationals and would have had the win against Strausburg if not for our bullpen. Time to see if that performance was a fluke or if he's legit.

yes this one start will very much determine that either way.

[Tom Servo]

Castillo takes care of the little nerd Sogard

And Thames on 3 pitches

[Tom Servo]

Great first inning for Castillo!

[PutPeteIn]

Can someone tell me what the jugs looked like that inning?

[NebraskaRed]

nice quick, impressive inning

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Can someone tell me what the jugs looked like that inning?

this is a family board

[The Operator]

Can someone tell me what the jugs looked like that inning?
He hit 99 at least once that I've seen. Consistently 97-98

[Tom Servo]

He hit 99 at least once that I've seen. Consistently 97-98
He asked about the jugs.

[The Operator]

He asked about the jugs.

Did he not mean the jugs gun, lol? I came here late

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Billy nearly loses it in the lights but makes a diving catch after calling Schebler off.

Shaw advanced to third.

[Tom Servo]

what was that

[Wolves198921]

Reds can't go a week without a rec league mistake.

[The Operator]

Schebler!!!!

Saved a homer but the run scores on a sac fly. 1-0 Brewers

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice grab, Schebler. Wow. Didn't know he had that in him. Saves Reds 2 runs (for now).

[Tom Servo]

Scheb saves a three run run HR!

[Banshee]

Does that go down as 2 DRS'?

[Tom Servo]

Two stupid weak ground ball singles for the Brewers this inning.

[The Operator]

Sorry Thom I don't think swinging at a ball and dinking a single through the right side of the infield is a "perfect piece of hitting".

[The Operator]

Luis labored but the inning is over.

1-0 bad guys

[PutPeteIn]

What's that smell?
Why it's the Essence of damage control.

[NebraskaRed]

I like how Castillo and Scheb kept that inning from getting out of hand

[Chip R]

He asked about the jugs.

Are we still not doing phrasing?

[NebraskaRed]

What happened to Anderson?

[Tom Servo]

What happened to Anderson?
He got owned.

[Wolves198921]

Their number one pitcher is hurt.

[The Operator]

Looks like an oblique injury.

We all know how bad those are around here.

[PutPeteIn]

An oblique injury can be a very bleak proposition.

[The Operator]

Did Thom just say Espino gave up 19 homers in 49 innings in the minors?

That can't be right. A second earlier he said he had an ERA in the 3's

[Kc61]

Their number one pitcher is hurt.

Too bad about Anderson. Wonder who BrewersZone will blame.

[Tom Servo]

Long warmup for Espino gives Castillo some extra rest too

[Big Klu]

Did Thom just say Espino gave up 19 homers in 49 innings in the minors?

Yes. Milwaukee's AAA team is in Colorado Springs, and his best pitch is a curve (which doesn't break at altitude).

[The Operator]

Duvall!!!!

1-1

[NebraskaRed]

Too bad about Anderson. Wonder who BrewersZone will blame.

BrewersZone probably has 3 separate threads congratulating themselves for having a stadium with a roof

[Tom Servo]

Duvall! :jump:

Tie game

[BluegrassRedleg]

Duvall starting to see the ball well again.

[PutPeteIn]

Gentleman, the worm has officially turned.

Cubs getting blasted again also.

[Kc61]

Duvall homers.

You know, I have nothing against Jesse Winker, I hope he has a great career for the Reds.

But it will be difficult to part with Duvall and/or Schebler.

I love the outfield defense on the Reds. One of the things that elevates the Reds defensively is corner outfield play. That play by Schebler was just excellent.

[The Operator]

Yes. Milwaukee's AAA team is in Colorado Springs, and his best pitch is a curve (which doesn't break at altitude).

He must have been wrong about the ERA then though, right? I mean 19 homers in 49 innings would come to a 3.48 ERA even if they were all solo shots and he never gave up any other runs.

[Tom Servo]

Yes. Milwaukee's AAA team is in Colorado Springs, and his best pitch is a curve (which doesn't break at altitude).

Correct, Colorado Springs stats are nuts. But also Thom was wrong if he said 19 HRs, he's allowed 7.

[WrongVerb]

Suarez had that "gonna get me some of that" look in his eyes. Patience is thy friend, Geno.

[Big Klu]

He must have been wrong about the ERA then though, right? I mean 19 homers in 49 innings would come to a 3.48 ERA even if they were all solo shots and he never gave up any other runs.

Maybe some of them were unearned runs (occurring after an error which should have been the third out of an inning).

Or maybe...I don't know...THom was wrong. It's not that that has never happened.

[The Operator]

Schebler hits into the teeth of the shift for the second out.

[Ironman92]

Schebler hits into the teeth of the shift for the second out.

The teeth had glasses

[Ironman92]

Crazy OF plays so far early in this game

[WrongVerb]

If the scorecards are becoming obsolete, then stop saying who it was hit to (G-6) and start naming the hole it was hit to. Divide the infield up with RF line to 45 feet, and so on. Then note the player that fielded it at that point. So a grounder into the 2 hole that the shortstop fields would be noted as G(2)6-1. I'd even suggest breaking the infield up into 5 wedges that includes a wedge going up the middle.

[The Operator]

Sogard K's

That guy looks like he belongs in a payroll department somewhere

[Big Klu]

Schebler hits into the teeth of the shift for the second out.

Scorekeeping rant:

I think the second infielder on the right should be designated the second baseman, regardless of who he actually is. The infield should be 3B-SS-2B-1B, and the outfield should be LF-CF-RF. (If a team brings in a fifth infielder in a late-inning situation, then the infield alignment should be designated 3B-SS-CF-2B-1B.)

[The Operator]

Thames K's

5 K's so far for Luis

[NebraskaRed]

so far, so good against Thames

[Tom Servo]

Thames is totally fooled by Castillo's changeup

[Ironman92]

Castillo has that good stuff...reminds me of Lance Davis

[The Operator]

God I hate Ryan Braun

[Tom Servo]

Bleh

[WrongVerb]

I love Castillo's stuff. In two years we'll be talking about him in the same way we talk about Cueto, Rijo, Soto, etc.

[Ironman92]

Impressive how he got on top of that top of the zone 99 mph

Change up is good...will need it to get out the big boys

[The Operator]

If I was sitting in the OF seats I'd have to stifle myself to avoid yelling "STEERRRROOOIIIDDDSSS" at Braun the whole game.

[NebraskaRed]

left oblique strain for Anderson

[Ironman92]

If I was sitting in the OF seats I'd have to stifle myself to avoid yelling "STEERRRROOOIIIDDDSSS" at Braun the whole game.

Risky game. I'm typically in the front row of the OF and have watched hecklers mercilessly go after players....and more of than not those players shut them up. Angel Pagan was a CF for the Mets and by the 5th inning the heckler simply got up and left because Pagan's plan was dominating the game.

[Big Klu]

If the scorecards are becoming obsolete, then stop saying who it was hit to (G-6) and start naming the hole it was hit to. Divide the infield up with RF line to 45 feet, and so on. Then note the player that fielded it at that point. So a grounder into the 2 hole that the shortstop fields would be noted as G(2)6-1. I'd even suggest breaking the infield up into 5 wedges that includes a wedge going up the middle.

I would submit that if the shortstop (or third baseman) moves into the hole in shallow RF so that he is next to the first baseman, then he ceases to be the SS (or 3B). He is now the second baseman, and everyone else on the infield rotates over one spot (in name).

[The Operator]

Risky game. I'm typically in the front row of the OF and have watched hecklers mercilessly go after players....and more of than not those players shut them up. Angel Pagan was a CF for the Mets and by the 5th inning the heckler simply got up and left because Pagan's plan was dominating the game.
But the beautiful thing about this particular heckle would be no matter what Braun does, I could say "way to hit another tainted homer, roid boy!"

Not that I would, but he's earned it. The stink he raised after his first failed test and the way he trashed the reputation of the person who administered it was pathetic. He is a terrible human being.

[Tom Servo]

Can we crowdfund $2 million to get Thom to go away?

[The Operator]

Can we crowdfund $2 million to get Thom to go away?

I'd be happy to contribute to that cause.

[WrongVerb]

I would submit that if the shortstop (or third baseman) moves into the hole in shallow RF so that he is next to the first baseman, then he ceases to be the SS (or 3B). He is now the second baseman, and everyone else on the infield rotates over one spot (in name).

I'm open to whatever, as long as the convention makes sense. Just offering one solution.

[The Operator]

Scooooter!!!

3-2

[NebraskaRed]

Scooter gonna scooooot

[Tom Servo]

Gennett! :jump:

[Big Klu]

http://www.motorera.com/honda/h0150/deluxe/ch150d_86b.jpg

[Raisor]

I love Castillo's stuff. In two years we'll be talking about him in the same way we talk about Cueto, Rijo, Soto, etc.

....but where art Straily?

[WrongVerb]

I'm a Scooter baby, so why don't you love me? :party::jump:

[Raisor]

Scooter gonna scooooot

Taylor Swift?

[WrongVerb]

....but where art Straily?

Some people who purport to know better think we ought to have kept him. Alas.

[bleedsred]

Guy continues to impress....rapidly becoming a fan favorite.

[Ironman92]

In case anyone doesn't enjoy John Lackey...tonight thru 3 innings and 61 pitches, he has zero swings and misses

[Wolves198921]

I do enjoy watching the Reds hit. On defense I check out pandora, Cincinnati backpage, Dayton strip clubs....

[The Operator]

In case anyone doesn't enjoy John Lackey...tonight thru 3 innings and 61 pitches, he has zero swings and misses

Love me some John Lackey. Leaving your wife while she fights breast cancer is a classy move.

[The Operator]

Impressive 3 pitch K against Perez

[NebraskaRed]

6 Ks for Castillo

[Tom Servo]

I do enjoy watching the Reds hit. On defense I check out pandora, Cincinnati backpage, Dayton strip clubs....
Bruh.

[PutPeteIn]

It may not be tonight but I'm predicting that Gennett will be the next Red to hit for the Cycle and since it's been 28 yrs since Davis had the last one, once Scooter does it to go along with the 4 homer game he will be the next to have a statue at the stadium!

[The Operator]

He seemed to want no part of Broxton

[The Operator]

Another dinky little hit

[The Operator]

Billy catches the 2nd out

Espino up

[Big Klu]

Chris, I remember a dramatic over the wall catch by a RF in October 1990.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dvd6IGZeup4/maxresdefault.jpg

[The Operator]

Full count on the pitcher after starting 0-2

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Ground ball makes 3 outs

[Tom Servo]

Comp so easy that it's pretty lazy, but I see some of 2008 Cueto in Castillo.

[The Operator]

Comp so easy that it's pretty lazy, but I see some of 2008 Cueto in Castillo.

Yea I can see it somewhat. Throws slightly harder but very similar. You can see the potential and the results aren't that bad, but he has some growing to do

[Wonderful Monds]

Gentleman, the worm has officially turned.

Cubs getting blasted again also.

I kind of sadistically hope the Reds don't win a game for the rest of the season, lol

[PutPeteIn]

I have a confession to make guys: I'm in love with the two out rally.
Does that make me a bad person?

[Tom Servo]

lol Peraza robbed of a walk, cool

[Wonderful Monds]

I do enjoy watching the Reds hit. On defense I check out pandora, Cincinnati backpage, Dayton strip clubs....

dude. :lol:

[Tom Servo]

Thom and Counsell sitting in a tree...

[NebraskaRed]

Thames strikes out again.

Expected regression or has the league figured him out?

[UPRedsFan]

dude. :lol:

Tom, you missed a strike out. Stop talking about Counsel

[Tom Servo]

Thames strikes out again.

Expected regression or has the league figured him out?
Both, I think.

Castillo nails against the top of the Milwaukee order outside of that one pitch to Braun.

[Wonderful Monds]

Thames strikes out again.

Expected regression or has the league figured him out?

He turned back into Chris Shelton.

[PutPeteIn]

Can someone explain to me what the Fish missed in this kid?
He consistently hits 98!

[reds44]

Again, don't be tempted to put Castillo back out there. Get him out on a high note.

Overall, considering his first two opponents, super happy with what we've seen thus far.

[Big Klu]

Thames strikes out again.

Expected regression or has the league figured him out?

Yes and yes.

[Tom Servo]

Can someone explain to me what the Fish missed in this kid?
He consistently hits 98!
And they actually tried to trade him before to San Diego. No idea what their thought process was, but this is the team that also once traded away Miguel Cabrera.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Chris, I remember a dramatic over the wall catch by a RF in October 1990.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/dvd6IGZeup4/maxresdefault.jpg

Off the bat of Candy Maldonado, IIRC.

[PutPeteIn]

Thames being tamed.

[Wonderful Monds]

Cincinnati minor league soccer is on ESPN right now if you're inclined, lol

[UPRedsFan]

Tom, you missed a strike out. Stop talking about Counsel

I mean Thom.
I think when he starts a story he must either clise his eyes or maybe turns around to tell it to someone behind him so he's no longer watching the game.

[Tom Servo]

Yeah Thom, and still Beltre doesn't get talked about regularly. Hence, he's underrated.

[NebraskaRed]

Cincinnati minor league soccer is on ESPN right now if you're inclined, lol

I'm not too into soccer yet, but it's growing on me

[Big Klu]

Cincinnati minor league soccer is on ESPN right now if you're inclined, lol

That's a thing?

[reds44]

hate this

[Tom Servo]

Does make some sense for the Brewers to use Hader out of their bullpen as opposed to letting him get lit up in the Colorado Spring environment.

[PutPeteIn]

Cubs getting hammered 7-3...
Miggy opens mouth, Miggy gone.
The Cubs have real problems.

[Wonderful Monds]

That's a thing?

Ohhh yeah big thing in Cincinnati right now

[Tom Servo]

hate this
I resigned myself to it. I don't like it, but I knew it was happening.

[Chip R]

I know Counsell is the opposing manager but Thom talks about him too much for my taste.

[Tom Servo]

4 pitch walk by Castillo to start the 6th. Good thing Price kept him in.

[reds44]

brilliant managing

[RedlegJake]

4 pitch walk by Castillo to start the 6th. Good thing Price kept him in.

At least he's still hitting 97after 97 pitches....


100 pitches, 7 straight balls, jeez Bryan it's time!

[Tom Servo]

brilliant managing
We just gotta him another 4 years as manager.

[RedsfaninMT]

Fortunately, I'm breaking for dinner.

Brian Price is making a statement that he really doesn't want this job any longer.

[Wonderful Monds]

We just gotta him another 4 years as manager.

idk man Barry Larkin will still be alive then.

[Tom Servo]

Cheers to Adam Duvall
Jeers to Bryan Price

[reds44]

yeah price has to go

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oh my god he's still not taking him out

[PutPeteIn]

Why do they stretch on Duvall?
How many times must he rifle someone before the word gets out?

[Chip R]

OMG,take him out!

[Tom Servo]

This is the exact same stupid thing Price did early last year with Finnegan. It's one thing if it's later in the year, but why push kids with a number of big league starts you can count on one hand?

[RedlegJake]

104 pitches and he just hit 98.6.....the arm is special but lets not leave him in to get battered after a solid start. C'mon Brian, babysteps



struck out Broxton but I don't care - this is stupid. Let me make a game thread knee jerker.....FIRE Brian Price!

Finally....Peralta

[BluegrassRedleg]

99 mph K to close things out for Castillo. Great effort tonight.

[Tom Servo]

Nice work, Luis.

[Wolves198921]

Castillo has been impressive. Shut down two elite offensive teams in the past week

[PutPeteIn]

Wowser

[NebraskaRed]

Impressive, impressive, impressive

[Red Raindog]

Looks like Castillo is a keeper

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[reds44]

Hell of a job, Luis.

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BobSteve in AAA:

6 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K

[_Sir_Charles_]

Hell of a job, Luis.

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BobSteve in AAA:

6 IP, 2 H, 0 ER, 0 BB, 7 K

You had me at 0 BB

[Raisor]

This is the exact same stupid thing Price did early last year with Finnegan. It's one thing if it's later in the year, but why push kids with a number of big league starts you can count on one hand?

It's not like it's April

He's thrown 100+ pitches a couple times this season.

[Big Klu]

Does make some sense for the Brewers to use Hader out of their bullpen as opposed to letting him get lit up in the Colorado Spring environment.

The Colorado Springs AAA club is expected to relocate to San Antonio in 2019 but will likely not be affiliated with the Brewers, as their contract expires before then.

The AA club currently in San Antonio will relocate to Amarillo.

Ironically, the Brewers' Rookie League club in Helena, MT will relocate to Colorado Springs, but also may not be affiliated with the Brewers as their contract also expires.

[RedlegJake]

When a guy is over 100 pitches and still hitting 98 he's a keeper - this is the kind of prospect debut(2nd timeout) I've been wanting to see so bad.....

[membengal]

This is the exact same stupid thing Price did early last year with Finnegan. It's one thing if it's later in the year, but why push kids with a number of big league starts you can count on one hand?

I'm still mad about that game.

[Tom Servo]

I'm still mad about that game.
The Mets one? Me too.

[NebraskaRed]

That sounded scary coming off the bat

[membengal]

When a guy is over 100 pitches and still hitting 98 he's a keeper - this is the kind of prospect debut(2nd timeout) I've been wanting to see so bad.....

Truth.

[Tom Servo]

It's not like it's April

He's thrown 100+ pitches a couple times this season.
I don't care if it's April or September, you use kids gloves with prospects getting their first taste. You don't have them set a new career high in their second big league start.

[PutPeteIn]

We got out of it!!!!
The worm indeed has turned fellas!

[RedlegJake]

Vogt lines out to Scheb after a 9 pitch battle and they get out of it. Heckuva job by Luis and by Peralta

[Chip R]

We got out of it!!!!
The worm indeed has turned fellas!

Winning!

[Big Klu]

Impressive

https://images.alphacoders.com/270/thumb-1920-270241.jpg

[Big Klu]

Hader needs one of those fidgit spinners on the mound.

[Raisor]

I don't care if it's April or September, you use kids gloves with prospects getting their first taste. You don't have them set a new career high in their second big league start.

He's 24
It's June.
He threw 107 pitches not 130

[RedlegJake]

He's 24
It's June.
He threw 107 pitches not 130

Not with ya on this one Raisor - it was too much and it showed in the 6th. He did a great job keeping it together when he looked like he'd lost it

[Tom Servo]

He's 24
It's June.
He threw 107 pitches not 130
Well we disagree. I'm pretty consistent on this, whether it was Lorenzen, Finnegan, or Castillo. Price wants to push them too far too quickly for my taste.

[Chip R]

He's 24
It's June.
He threw 107 pitches not 130

Servo's right - except it's kid gloves, not kids gloves.

[Big Klu]

THom can't stop talking about the Cubs.

If it's Cubbie or D-Back related, then it's for him.

[Tom Servo]

THom can't stop talking about the Cubs.

If it's Cubbie or D-Back related, then it's for him.
He's obsessed with that Suter kid for the Brewers too.

[Raisor]

Well we disagree. I'm pretty consistent on this, whether it was Lorenzen, Finnegan, or Castillo. Price wants to push them too far too quickly for my taste.

So what's your pitch limit? Is it the same for every pitcher?

[NebraskaRed]

THom can't stop talking about the Cubs.

If it's Cubbie or D-Back related, then it's for him.

yeah, but did you hear what Craig Counsell said now? I mean, can you believe that??

[_Sir_Charles_]

He's 24
It's June.
He threw 107 pitches not 130

I agree. Too damned many people have locked their sights on that magic number 100. I hate that. Every kid is different. You can't look at them all with the same set of goals. The 100 pitch count as a benchmark can't go away soon enough for me.

[Big Klu]

He's obsessed with that Suter kid for the Brewers too.

Cincinnati kid! MOELLER!

[Tom Servo]

So what's your pitch limit? Is it the same for every pitcher?
It's basically this: If you've gone 5-6 innings and are just shy of 100 pitches, get your high fives and hit the showers.

[reds44]

It's basically this: If you've gone 5-6 innings and are just shy of 100 pitches, get your high fives and hit the showers.

There was no reason to send him back out there, and if it wasn't for a Brewers TOOTBLAN, it could have easily ended in disaster.

[Tom Servo]

I agree. Too damned many people have locked their sights on that magic number 100. I hate that. Every kid is different. You can't look at them all with the same set of goals. The 100 pitch count as a benchmark can't go away soon enough for me.
Every kid could be different, but the stats bare out a decrease in effectiveness for MLB pitchers across the board a third time through the order.

[Raisor]

It's basically this: If you've gone 5-6 innings and are just shy of 100 pitches, get your high fives and hit the showers.

So it's 100 pitches essentially?

For every young pitcher?

One size fits all?

[reds44]

So it's 100 pitches essentially?

For every young pitcher?

One size fits all?

yep

seriously, what's the point of pushing him past that? what does he gain?

[BluegrassRedleg]

A. Hugh!

[Tom Servo]

Nice back to back plays by Peraza and Suarez!

[Wonderful Monds]

So it's 100 pitches essentially?

For every young pitcher?

One size fits all?

For me, I don't want to see Castillo going more than that.

I don't trust Price's judgment anymore to let them go beyond that after Cody Reed.

[Tom Servo]

So it's 100 pitches essentially?

For every young pitcher?

One size fits all?
You can give me specific examples and I could give a hypothetical yay or nay, but essentially, yes.

[PutPeteIn]

Guys I've said it before and I'll say it again, we got a bunch of guys that can touch 95 and beyond.

[reds44]

Guys I've said it before and I'll say it again, we got a bunch of guys that can touch 95 and beyond.

so does everyone now a days

[Wonderful Monds]

Guys I've said it before and I'll say it again, we got a bunch of guys that can touch 95 and beyond.

95 is the new 90.

[BluegrassRedleg]

yep

seriously, what's the point of pushing him past that? what does he gain?

You see no value in the experience he got that inning? I see it as part of the process. I bet he came out of that with great confidence.

[Chip R]

So it's 100 pitches essentially?

For every young pitcher?

One size fits all?

I think it's a good rule of thumb but it depends on the situation. If no one's on and he's north of 100 pitches and he's cruising, have him finish the inning. But that wasn't the case.

[RedlegJake]

He was tired. That didn't show up in velocity but it did in control. He came close to coming apart and I give him props for pulling it back together but I think he should have been out of there after the 5th and 93 pitches already.

[reds44]

You see no value in the experience he got that inning? I see it as part of the process. I bet he came out of that with great confidence.

it was pure luck. He threw 6 straight balls and then gave up a rocket and the Brewers ran themselves into an out.

I don't see him gaining anymore confidence by striking out Broxton as he would have if his night ended after a 1-2-3 5th. All you did was risk something bad happening.

[RedlegJake]

Guys I've said it before and I'll say it again, we got a bunch of guys that can touch 95 and beyond.

Not many can hit 97/98 pitch after pitch once they've crossed that 90 pitch mark or thereabouts. Castillo can

[Chip R]

Guys I've said it before and I'll say it again, we got a bunch of guys that can touch 95 and beyond.

I just wish they'd touch 17 more often.

[The Operator]

That was Thomas's grossest over pronunciation of Arismendy Alcantara yet

[PutPeteIn]

Peralta or Cincigrani in the 8th?

[reds44]

Peralta or Cincigrani in the 8th?

it'll be cingrani and/or iglesias

[_Sir_Charles_]

Every kid could be different, but the stats bare out a decrease in effectiveness for MLB pitchers across the board a third time through the order.

Not all 100 pitches are the same. It's the stress level. It's how gassed the guy is. It's the amount of effort he's putting forth to send the ball to the catcher. It's how his mechanics are holding up. It's also better left in the hands of the guys who know these kids MUCH more than we do. Price is an ex-pitching coach. Does anybody here seriously think he'll put one of his pitchers in a situation to risk injury more than normal pitching does?

His goal tonight was to pull him after a positive outcome. Confidence gets ignored a LOT around here. It's not just the confidence the kid needs to learn that he can get mlb hitters out, but it's also knowing he's got the confidence from his teammates/coaches the he can get out of a jam.

[PutPeteIn]

I just wish they'd touch 17 more often.

That's illegal in most states.

[Wonderful Monds]

Not all 100 pitches are the same. It's the stress level. It's how gassed the guy is. It's the amount of effort he's putting forth to send the ball to the catcher. It's how his mechanics are holding up. It's also better left in the hands of the guys who know these kids MUCH more than we do. Price is an ex-pitching coach. Does anybody here seriously think he'll put one of his pitchers in a situation to risk injury more than normal pitching does?

His goal tonight was to pull him after a positive outcome. Confidence gets ignored a LOT around here. It's not just the confidence the kid needs to learn that he can get mlb hitters out, but it's also knowing he's got the confidence from his teammates/coaches the he can get out of a jam.

That was a high stress inning though.

[reds44]

Not all 100 pitches are the same. It's the stress level. It's how gassed the guy is. It's the amount of effort he's putting forth to send the ball to the catcher. It's how his mechanics are holding up. It's also better left in the hands of the guys who know these kids MUCH more than we do. Price is an ex-pitching coach. Does anybody here seriously think he'll put one of his pitchers in a situation to risk injury more than normal pitching does?

His goal tonight was to pull him after a positive outcome. Confidence gets ignored a LOT around here. It's not just the confidence the kid needs to learn that he can get mlb hitters out, but it's also knowing he's got the confidence from his teammates/coaches the he can get out of a jam.

I would agree with this had i not watched the Reds the last four years.

[Tom Servo]

His goal tonight was to pull him after a positive outcome. Confidence gets ignored a LOT around here. It's not just the confidence the kid needs to learn that he can get mlb hitters out, but it's also knowing he's got the confidence from his teammates/coaches the he can get out of a jam.
He was in jams throughout the night, and had just retired the top (aka the best) of the Brewers lineup in the 5th. That was a positive outcome that he could have left his head held high on.

[Raisor]

I'm just not going to get worked up about a 24 year old throwing 107 pitches in his 16th start of the season.

[GADawg]

If holding the reigns I institute an automatic take for Hamilton and Alcantara on any 3-1 count

[_Sir_Charles_]

That was a high stress inning though.

Yes it was. No argument. After the first 2 reached, Price let him have one more to see how he'd respond. He responded well. He used it as a teachable moment IMO and Luis handled the situation well.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Who is this imposter in Thames' uniform? Or did they finally get a scouting report on this cat?

[RedlegJake]

OK - maybe I'm crazy but Price as a manager and Price as a pitching coach - seems to be 2 different guys handling the pitchers. Price as a manager pushes a lot harder, and, due respect to his bottom line job, I'm not sure what's best for the pitcher is always foremost. Probably shouldn't be either - just win. But this is definitely one of those opinions that has squat for proof.....

[Tom Servo]

Pizza!

[PutPeteIn]

The Golden Sombreo for Thames.
Wear it like you own it son.

[NebraskaRed]

I'd guess Thames is on the bench for tomorrow's game

[Big Klu]

That was Thomas's grossest over pronunciation of Arismendy Alcantara yet

"Arismendy!
Cappuccino!
Cornholio! I am the Great Cornholio! Are you threatening me?"

https://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/youtubepoop/images/c/cb/Cornholio.png/revision/latest?cb=20140514151622

[BluegrassRedleg]

Welp. So much for that.

[Tom Servo]

Who is this Cingrani!?

Ah, there he is.

[_Sir_Charles_]

*sigh* Tie ball game.

I was just about to praise Tony on the back to back changeups to whiff Braun. :(

[BluegrassRedleg]

Cingrani was cruising, then just totally lays one in the wheelhouse for Shaw. Bummer.

[RedlegJake]

welp....just about compliment Cingrani when WHAM....Shaw homer ties it

[reds44]

Who is this Cingrani!?


damn you

[Wonderful Monds]

Who is this Cingrani!?

Ah, there he is.


I can't believe you've done this.

[Wolves198921]

Well that sucks. I actually thought we were going to win a series for the first time in like a month.

[Ironman92]

Too many good pitches tonight....gotta win. Cingrani, you cannot throw there to any lefty...ever

[reds44]

Well that sucks. I actually thought we were going to win a series for the first time in like a month.

go be miserable somewhere else

[PutPeteIn]

Giving up 1 run to those three guys is not the end of the world.

[GADawg]

Homers happen....last years Cingrani woulda walked Braun and given up a two run Jack

[RedlegJake]

And there are some who argue that Cingrani should start?

[bleedsred]

Cingrani is so close to being so dang good.....yet he always seems to groove at least one to screw up his outings

[Chip R]

God I hate Ryan Braun

Out of all the guys who got nailed for PEDs, I think I hate him the most. He actually cost a guy his job fighting that 1st positive test.

[RedlegJake]

Well that sucks. I actually thought we were going to win a series for the first time in like a month.

wait....that was the 9th inning?

[_Sir_Charles_]

2 more ab's to win it. I guess Wolves has forgotten that we've got a pretty damned good offensive club.

[GADawg]

I think "we" should sign that ball boy on the left field line as a late inning defensive replacement

[reds44]

And there are some who argue that Cingrani should start?

bruh have you seen our rotation this year

[bleedsred]

Nice pitch by Storen

[reds44]

good to see jumbo diaz found work as a reds ball boy

[Tom Servo]

Leave the batboy alone for goodness sake.

[Chip R]

bruh have you seen our rotation this year

Good point.

[Big Klu]

"Going in there, getting some hard D"?!

What the hell is THom talking about?! :eek:

[PutPeteIn]

2,3,4,5 give up 1 run and strike out three? I'll take it most ever time.

[reds44]

Leave the batboy alone for goodness sake.

guarantee you my mans is craving skyline

[Chip R]

Leave the batboy alone for goodness sake.

STFU, Thom

[NebraskaRed]

"Going in there, getting some hard D"?!

What the hell is THom talking about?! :eek:

"banging some guys around"

[RedsBrick]

Poor Tony. Guy can't get out of his own way.

[reds44]

2,3,4,5 give up 1 run and strike out three? I'll take it most ever time.

that would not be a good ERA

[Wonderful Monds]

good to see jumbo diaz found work as a reds ball boy

Thom is that you?!

[Raisor]

Out of all the guys who got nailed for PEDs, I think I hate him the most. He actually cost a guy his job fighting that 1st positive test.

plus his buddy Aaron Rogers welched that "no PEDS" bet

[WVRedsFan]

"Going in there, getting some hard D"?!

What the hell is THom talking about?! :eek:Football. You know that other game he calls

[PutPeteIn]

wait....that was the 9th inning?

...and we are trailing now?
On the road?

[bleedsred]

Sorry Thom, after the disaster the Reds starting staff has been with injuries....I don't mind at all seeing a Cub helped off the field....I hope in 60 days he is good to go.

[GADawg]

If Knebel's nickname isn't "Evel" then his teammates are missing the boat

[PutPeteIn]

Knebel doesn't nibble does he?

[reds44]

Sorry Thom, after the disaster the Reds starting staff has been with injuries....I don't mind at all seeing a Cub helped off the field....I hope in 60 days he is good to go.
nah

[_Sir_Charles_]

Billy with the walk. Something I've overlooked lately is that Hamilton isn't leading the bigs in SB's anymore. Only 3 all month long. Yikes.

[PutPeteIn]

Havoc Alert!

Someone sound the alarm!

[Big Klu]

If Knebel's nickname isn't "Evel" then his teammates are missing the boat

Or at least, "Ebel".

[CaiGuy]

It's like Hamilton doesn't know he walked until someone tells him

[bleedsred]

Can't still first Sir_Charles

[_Sir_Charles_]

Havoc Alert!

Someone sound the alarm!

That alarm has been set to "mute" lately. If Billy's not running when he gets on, he's not contributing like he should.

[Big Klu]

Sorry Thom, after the disaster the Reds starting staff has been with injuries....I don't mind at all seeing a Cub helped off the field....I hope in 60 days he is good to go.

Looks like Bryant has a bad case of the gout. ;)

[Chip R]

"banging some guys around"

http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/wwjtd/files/2015/10/phrasing.jpg

[reds44]

give me a walk off sac fly

[GADawg]

Or at least, "Ebel".

Yes!! I like it even better....print the t-shirts!

[_Sir_Charles_]

Can't still first Sir_Charles

19 hits and 5 walks this month. 3 sb's and 1 cs's.

[CaiGuy]

God, no bunting Thom

[reds44]

19 hits and 5 walks this month. 3 sb's and 1 cs's.

they've spent a lot of the month losing by like 5 runs

[RedlegJake]

That was an excellent pitch by Knebel to K Gennett. Down and out right on the black. Hard to do much with that


and man he's getting that low outside call....