7/18/2017 Reds vs D'Backs

[cumberlandreds]

Ray Romano pitching tonight.


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[BluegrassRedleg]

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[Raisor]

Turner is starting. Your long national nightmare is over

[klw]

Turner is starting. Your long national nightmare is over


Well that is must see tv:
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[Wolves198921]

Tuner and Romano. Can't wait! Nahhhhh in reality let's hope our average margin of defeat is under four this week.

[BillDoran]

Tuner and Romano. Can't wait! Nahhhhh in reality let's hope our average margin of defeat is under four this week.

What's with all the negativity around here regarding Romano? He hasn't been aces, but outside of Castillo, he's the one young arm that hasn't imploded. Dynamite in spring training, good results in Louisville and two starts in the bigs. I'm still on the bandwagon! :dancingcool::dancingcool::dancingcool:

[Tom Servo]

Can't wait for Thom to gush about the D'Backs success for the next few hours.

[WrongVerb]

Can't wait for Thom to gush about the D'Backs success for the next few hours.

And away we go!

[WrongVerb]

24 pitches for Romano in the 1st inning. UGH!

[Tom Servo]

Had to battle after getting 2 outs but a scoreless first for Romano.

[PutPeteIn]

Heavy dose of 96-97.
Romano throws nearly as hard as Castillo.

These two will be cornerstones in the Reds rotation for years to come.

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24 pitches for Romano in the 1st inning. UGH!

Really Verb? It's not always bad when you hold a team scoreless.

[reds44]

Trade value

[Tom Servo]

Cozy! :jump:

1-0 Redlegs

[PutPeteIn]

Trade value

1-0 too.

[Raisor]

Word on the street is that Disco is throwing a simulated game tonight and if all goes well his rehab assignment will start this weekend

[Wonderful Monds]

The DBacks always have some of the most impressively bad unis in the league

What gives with the faint teal accents, such a terrible color combo.

[WrongVerb]

Thom says Martinez trade the first major move by any of the "contenders" leading up to this year's trade deadline.

The Cubs aren't contenders? (Maybe not in his eyes since they sent Schwarber down)

[757690]

"Late and Close" hurts the Reds again.

[Tom Servo]

Tie game thanks to a sac fly

[757690]

The DBacks always have some of the most impressively bad unis in the league

What gives with the faint teal accents, such a terrible color combo.

If you've ever been to Phoenix, you'll understand the DBacks uniforms.

[PutPeteIn]

If you've ever been to Phoenix, you'll understand the DBacks uniforms.

So Phoenix is ugly too?

[Wonderful Monds]

Good walk rate still, but Geno has kinda lost some hype on my end.

Kind of surprised Thom is willing to call him a good player.

[reds44]

Good walk rate still, but Geno has kinda lost some hype on my end.

Kind of surprised Thom is willing to call him a good player.

Good defender, OPS+ of 105.

Arrow is pointing south at the moment, but that's a good player

[757690]

So Phoenix is ugly too?

As my grandmother would say, "there's no accounting for taste."

[Wonderful Monds]

Good defender, OPS+ of 105.

Arrow is pointing south at the moment, but that's a good player

For sure, but he was looking like a legit all star for the first month or two.

Would be nice to see some power bounce back.

[reds44]

Schebler was safe

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Schebler was safe

Schebler was out

[Wolves198921]

Great call Price! Lol

[reds44]

Three balls on jose!

[Wonderful Monds]

Nice AB so far by Peraza

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Three balls on jose!

Does that make him a wagon? Or my aunt? Not sure how this works.

[PutPeteIn]

Why is Schebler running v a lefty?
Worst basepath team in MLB.

[Tom Servo]

Three balls on jose!
me rn

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[Wonderful Monds]

Thom, don't pretend you care about walks.

[reds44]

Peraza refused to walk lmao

[BluegrassRedleg]

This guy swinging at ball 4 at head level.

[Big Klu]

I get tired of seeing managers hold their hand up and say, "waitaminute", after every out call.

[Tom Servo]

damnit Jose, you were so close

[reds44]

Nice AB so far by Peraza

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Does that make him a wagon? Or my aunt? Not sure how this works.

i have many questions about your aunt rn

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I get tired of seeing managers hold their hand up and say, "waitaminute", after every out call.

seems like an odd thing to let bother you

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It gets harder and harder to see Peraza as a legit everyday player each passing day.

[757690]

DBacks uniforms remind me of these:

12665

[Wonderful Monds]

Sal Romano looks like the sound of raw meat dropping against the floor

[reds44]

DBacks uniforms remind me of these:

12665

"now this is a REAL baseball team!'

-somebody, somewhere

[Big Klu]

THom: "That's good stuff, Jim Day!"

[BluegrassRedleg]

Tying this thread into the "Why Price Must Go" discussion, the right manager would yank Peraza now and stick someone else in the game. (The right manager wouldn't be playing him this much to begin with, but that's another argument altogether.) You keep accepting this type of play, you'll get this type of play.

[reds44]

Sal Romano looks like the sound of raw meat dropping against the floor

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha WHAT

[reds44]

Tying this thread into the "Why Price Must Go" discussion, the right manager would yank Peraza now and stick someone else in the game. (The right manager wouldn't be playing him this much to begin with, but that's another argument altogether.) You keep accepting this type of play, you'll get this type of play.

You mean like Narron did with Edwin? You remember how well that turned out?

It's not 1970 anymore.

[Tom Servo]

Tying this thread into the "Why Price Must Go" discussion, the right manager would yank Peraza now and stick someone else in the game. (The right manager wouldn't be playing him this much to begin with, but that's another argument altogether.) You keep accepting this type of play, you'll get this type of play.
Nah, that's dumb. Altuve used to swing at everything too, but he wasn't yanked from games.

[PutPeteIn]

The greatest of the Cardinal sins; walk the pitcher to lead off an inning.

[WrongVerb]

Thom, don't pretend you care about walks.

I wish more people understood why you should walk. Players should walk in order to get the pitchers to bring their pitches closer and into the strike zone where it's easier to get solid contact. A player (like Votto) who won't swing at close pitches outside the zone is going to get better pitches inside the zone to hit.

[reds44]

Sal really is on the Cingrani plan as a starter currently. Just throw it as hard as you can, mix in the occasional breaking ball you can't control, and hope for the best.

[Tom Servo]

The greatest of the Cardinal sins; walk the pitcher to lead off an inning.
I thought the greatest Cardinal sin was the whole hacking thing.

[Wonderful Monds]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha WHAT

search deep inside, you know it to be true.

[WrongVerb]

Pollock is my idea of a prototypical leadoff hitter. Gets on base and can give you 20HR/20SB every season. I wish the Reds would adopt this idea.

[reds44]

search deep inside, you know it to be true.

he does look like he smells like cold cuts when he sweats

[Wonderful Monds]

I wish more people understood why you should walk. Players should walk in order to get the pitchers to bring their pitches closer and into the strike zone where it's easier to get solid contact. A player (like Votto) who won't swing at close pitches outside the zone is going to get better pitches inside the zone to hit.

Yeah I mean the only reason Thom harps on it is because Peraza doesn't do it, therefore it can be complained about.

[reds44]

Pollock is my idea of a prototypical leadoff hitter. Gets on base and can give you 20HR/20SB every season. I wish the Reds would adopt this idea.

Really wish the redszone deal of Chapman for Pollock would have came true

[WrongVerb]

I thought the greatest Cardinal sin was the whole hacking thing.

The greatest Cardinal sin was Law, but I think that's a different discussion for a different subforum.

[Big Klu]

"now this is a REAL baseball team!'

-somebody, somewhere

The House of David was actually a pretty good barnstorming baseball team in the 20's and 30's.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You mean like Narron did with Edwin? You remember how well that turned out?

It's not 1970 anymore.

Agree. It's worse.

Meanwhile, they just sent down a guy who was on base consistently in the last disastrous series. This is the organization we have now.

[Tom Servo]

Agree. It's worse.

Meanwhile, they just sent down a guy who was on base consistently in the last disastrous series. This is the organization we have now.
Can Winker play 2B?

[WrongVerb]

Really wish the redszone deal of Chapman for Pollock would have came true

It's why I'm pimping the idea of getting Yelich, or David Dahl of the Rockies. So tired of Hamilton not getting it done with the wood.

[reds44]

Agree. It's worse.

Meanwhile, they just sent down a guy who was on base consistently in the last disastrous series. This is the organization we have now.

These shouldn't be exclusive. Both should be up here and playing.

[PutPeteIn]

You walk Lamb here. No brainer.

[Tom Servo]

So tired of Hamilton not getting it done with the wood.
bruh

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nah, that's dumb. Altuve used to swing at everything too, but he wasn't yanked from games.

I eagerly await this butterfly transformation. :p

[reds44]

Sal being up here is the latest example of the Reds throwing a guy out there and hoping for the best. It's so dumb. Let him pitch in AAA.

They're about to do it with Stephenson again too.

Stop trying to win meaningless games. Just throw bums out there and let these guys develop in AAA.

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It's why I'm pimping the idea of getting Yelich, or David Dahl of the Rockies. So tired of Hamilton not getting it done with the wood.

yeaaaah buddy

[Wonderful Monds]

Mack Jenkins: body by Hudepohl

[Tom Servo]

I eagerly await this butterfly transformation. :p
Just saying, players get better. I'd send Peraza down to AAA to regroup, but the whole "yank him mid game to send a message" thing, c'mon.

[WrongVerb]

bruh

I finally have something in common with him. Erm...

[BluegrassRedleg]

Can Winker play 2B?

Get workin' on it. Can't be any worse than the clown they have there now.

[Tom Servo]

Uggo inning but damage limited.

[PutPeteIn]

That's how it's done.

[reds44]

Get workin' on it. Can't be any worse than the clown they have there now.

he's a clown now? because he may not be good at baseball?

c'mon

[BluegrassRedleg]

Just saying, players get better. I'd send Peraza down to AAA to regroup, but the whole "yank him mid game to send a message" thing, c'mon.

I could live with this compromise. It's the equivalent of my point anyway. "You're not getting it done, son. Go work things out."

[Wonderful Monds]

I think with Peraza, he's so hard to watch right now because as much as he's struggling, his best case scenario isn't all that exciting to begin with. If he was going to be more than a .700ish OPS with above average but not great defense, watching him hit rock bottom would be a lot more palatable.

Low ceiling, low floor is not a pretty combo.

[BluegrassRedleg]

he's a clown now? because he may not be good at baseball?

c'mon

"That was a clown swing, bro." /bryce voice

[reds44]

I think with Peraza, he's so hard to watch right now because as much as he's struggling, his best case scenario isn't all that exciting to begin with. If he was going to be more than a .700ish OPS with above average but not great defense, watching him hit rock bottom would be a lot more palatable.

Low ceiling, low floor is not a pretty combo.

i think it's bad because if he's not hitting he's pretty much useless.

Suarez hasn't hit in over a month but at least he still gets on base some and plays good defense.

Peraza is pretty much old Brandon Phillips if you took away all of old Brandon Phillips non-awful traits.

[Tom Servo]

I think with Peraza, he's so hard to watch right now because as much as he's struggling, his best case scenario isn't all that exciting to begin with. If he was going to be more than a .700ish OPS with above average but not great defense, watching him hit rock bottom would be a lot more palatable.

Low ceiling, low floor is not a pretty combo.
I mean, it's not Francisco Lindor, but I'd take a guy who hits like .290/.320/.380 with solid defense and 20+ stolen bases playing up the middle. It's fair to wonder if he'll get there, but he is still 23.

[WrongVerb]

That's not Ray's temper. He's just grunting when he throws the ball. This is a known thing.

[Tom Servo]

Dick Pole reference

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BTW


Phil Rogers‏
@philgrogers 4m4 minutes ago

No word on Frazier trade (yet) but he's in dugout doing round of hugs and handshakes.

[reds44]

I mean, it's not Francisco Lindor, but I'd take a guy who hits like .290/.320/.380 with solid defense and 20+ stolen bases playing up the middle. It's fair to wonder if he'll get there, but he is still 23.

I'd take that too, but if the Reds were anything other than awful would it be worth the time it takes to get there?

Probably not.

Of course they are awful so might as well play the kids, but if this keeps up i'm not playing him everyday to start 2018.

[Wonderful Monds]

I mean, it's not Francisco Lindor, but I'd take a guy who hits like .290/.320/.380 with solid defense and 20+ stolen bases playing up the middle. It's fair to wonder if he'll get there, but he is still 23.

Yeah I think that would be alright, and that's about where I think his ceiling hits. But watching him struggle as much as he is right now, it's hard to see a guy who can sniff even that. Even taking one walk would be a big accomplishment for him at the moment.

[Wonderful Monds]

I'd take that too, but if the Reds were anything other than awful would it be worth the time it takes to get there?

Probably not.

Of course they are awful so might as well play the kids, but if this keeps up i'm not playing him everyday to start 2018.

Yeah that's pretty much how I feel too. Since it's a lost season go for it, but unless he starts showing more, I don't know if I'd gamble with him for another.

[WrongVerb]

Looks like Todd Frazier is about to be traded. Healthy scratch tonight. Seen in dugout giving hugs and handshakes.

[Big Klu]

That's not Ray's temper. He's just grunting when he throws the ball. This is a known thing.

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[reds44]

I do think Peraza is better than this, and having a guy with his speed, ability to make contact, and (in theory) position flexibility wouldn't be terrible to have coming off the bench moving forward.

And if he puts it together at some point coming off the bench, great.

[Tom Servo]

I'd take that too, but if the Reds were anything other than awful would it be worth the time it takes to get there?

Probably not.

Of course they are awful so might as well play the kids, but if this keeps up i'm not playing him everyday to start 2018.
Yeah I see what you're saying, but I feel like Reds fans oddly impatient with struggling young players. And the times when they SHOULD be more impatient, like when Cozart and Hamilton were just unfathomably bad in 2014 and 2015 respectively, it's treated like "what are ya gonna do?"

I dunno. For another comp, Dee Gordon hit just .256/.301/.312 in his first 181 games over 3 seasons. I'm willing to give Peraza an indeterminate amount of time. But I think the Reds are blowing it by not sending him down.

[Wonderful Monds]

Looks like Frazier is about to be traded. Healthy scratch tonight. Seen in dugout giving hugs and handshakes.

Still like Frazier a lot, will be bummed if it's the Sox he's going to.

[Big Klu]

Still like Frazier a lot, will be bummed if it's the Sox he's going to.

Maybe he's just changing his Sox.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Bottom line is you want to see the young guys playing the game with purpose and consistent improvement. If that's not happening, a manager/GM needs to act. Peraza's ABs are a hot mess right now, and he's not going to improve if it's allowed to continue. He's playing nearly every day and hasn't walked since May 21. That's utterly ridiculous.

[Wonderful Monds]

Maybe he's just changing his Sox.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-14-2015/LU4L0t.gif

[reds44]

Yeah I see what you're saying, but I feel like Reds fans oddly impatient with struggling young players. And the times when they SHOULD be more impatient, like when Cozart and Hamilton were just unfathomably bad in 2014 and 2015 respectively, it's treated like "what are ya gonna do?"

I dunno. For another comp, Dee Gordon hit just .256/.301/.312 in his first 181 games over 3 seasons. I'm willing to give Peraza an indeterminate amount of time. But I think the Reds are blowing it by not sending him down.

He also had a PED suspension after he broke out and has followed it up with a .641 OPS last year. Been better this year, but again if the end game is the 88 OPS+ Dee Gordon has this year with slightly above average defense, is it really worth the effort?

I'm all for giving Peraza some HGH lol. It's working for Scotter ;)

[BluegrassRedleg]

Looks like Todd Frazier is about to be traded. Healthy scratch tonight. Seen in dugout giving hugs and handshakes.

If we must see Boston constantly on national broadcasts, this is a decent reason to tune in.

[reds44]

Just a friendly reminder that Todd Frazier kinda sucks lol

[Wonderful Monds]

Just a friendly reminder that Todd Frazier kinda sucks lol

The White Sox have a weird thing with former Reds sluggers going up there and hitting more dongers than they ever have in their life but still somehow being the worst they've ever been in their careers.

[reds44]

trade value

[BluegrassRedleg]

Cozart is seeing Ray pretty well.

[Wonderful Monds]

trade value

I have submitted this as a name for the donkey

[BluegrassRedleg]

Votto drew 5 balls that walk.

[Wonderful Monds]

Votto drew 5 balls that walk.

Maybe he can spot one to Peraza for his next AB.

[reds44]

Votto drew 5 balls that walk.

usual Tuesday night for WM's aunt

[Wonderful Monds]

Apparently you have to grunt weird to be a leader in K's in the NL

[reds44]

Maybe he can spot one to Peraza for his next AB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gysu0kgFwT0

[Wonderful Monds]

usual Tuesday night for WM's aunt

I will not take this slander on my aunt or her balls!

[reds44]

Geno needed that.

[Wonderful Monds]

RBI double from Geno, good stuff

[Wonderful Monds]

Ray's sitting a pretty nice pitch count

Walkwatch underway again

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Peraza walked offscreen lol

[BluegrassRedleg]

Intentional. LMAO :laugh:

[reds44]

did they intentionally walk peraza hahahahahahah

[Wonderful Monds]

Totally doesn't count

[50YrRedsFan]

Schebler really struggling to make contact lately

[bleedsred]

The streak is over....kind of....

[reds44]

Schebler really struggling to make contact lately

I've waffled back and forth on who the odd man out in the COF trio like 14 times this year

[WVRedsFan]

Mack Jenkins: body by HudepohlNo bodyshaming!:)

[Tom Servo]

Totally doesn't count
It counts binch

[Wonderful Monds]

I've waffled back and forth on who the odd man out in the COF trio like 14 times this year

Solution: trade all of them

[757690]

If they had tried to intentionally walk Peraza the old fashioned way, he probably would have swung at a few of them.

[Chip R]

Good thing Romano didn't walk Pollock.

[Wonderful Monds]

bleh

[reds44]

Look on the bright side, Reed's walked 6 guys in 5 innings against Syracuse tonight lol

[Wonderful Monds]

Look on the bright side, Reed's walked 6 guys in 5 innings against Syracuse tonight lol

John Lamb might still come out on top of the Cueto trade guys

[Wolves198921]

Its unreal how bad this team is. We aren't going to win another game, good lord

[Wonderful Monds]

Its unreal how bad this team is. We aren't going to win another game, good lord

I'm guessing you mean this literally lol

[reds44]

Its unreal how bad this team is. We aren't going to win another game, good lord

not this **** again

[The Operator]

Its unreal how bad this team is. We aren't going to win another game, good lord Yea, a rookie pitcher giving up a few runs in his 3rd start really is the sign of the apocalypse.

[Tom Servo]

5 walks by Salvatore. Not gonna cut it.

[PutPeteIn]

Time for Ramono to walk the plank.

[reds44]

The most alarming part of this season is the Reds thinking calling up pitchers who were obviously not ready was a good idea.

Maybe, maybe early in the season i could get it because they were semi in it. There's no reason Sal should be on a big league mound right now.

[Wonderful Monds]

nice

[Red Raindog]

Too slow To the mound


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[Wonderful Monds]

Time for Ramono to walk the plank.


Heavy dose of 96-97.
Romano throws nearly as hard as Castillo.

These two will be cornerstones in the Reds rotation for years to come

[PutPeteIn]

5 straight.

[The Operator]

Inexcusable that Cingrani wasn't brought into face Lamb.

That and many other thins just like that are why I am so out of patience with Bryan Price. He doesn't deserve any more time. I don't care that he hasn't had great teams the whole time, he's a bad manager.

[reds44]

lol

[PutPeteIn]

I don't think this organization wants to win at this point.
No excuse to leave Ramono in to face the lefty clean up hitter there.
Price is brain dead.

[BluegrassRedleg]

If they had tried to intentionally walk Peraza the old fashioned way, he probably would have swung at a few of them.

You win the internet tonight. :beerme:

[reds44]

I don't think this organization wants to win at this point.
No excuse to leave Ramono in to face the lefty clean up hitter there.
Price is brain dead.

they've been pretty open that they don't care about winning this year lol

[Wonderful Monds]

The most alarming part of this season is the Reds thinking calling up pitchers who were obviously not ready was a good idea.

Maybe, maybe early in the season i could get it because they were semi in it. There's no reason Sal should be on a big league mound right now.

I thought maybe trying to be aggressive with some guys and maybe have a try at developing them in the majors could be a clever idea

But not yknow, ALL of the pitching prospects, and at the same time, since they're going to burn through bullpen and probably need to be relieved early most of the time.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Inexcusable that Cingrani wasn't brought into face Lamb.

That and many other thins just like that are why I am so out of patience with Bryan Price. He doesn't deserve any more time. I don't care that he hasn't had great teams the whole time, he's a bad manager.

And, yet, there are still people in that Price thread that don't understand why fans have seen enough of this guy.

[reds44]

We gotta stop pitching guys who have any shot at being traded.



they keep destroying their value

[PutPeteIn]

I'd fire Price's rear end after the game tonight for that boneheaded move.
Let Riggleman interim, this is pathetic.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Turner with a gun. Like that.

[reds44]

when does luis pitch next

[The Operator]

Lol wow

[Powel Crosley]

This game has quickly fallen apart.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Puh-thetic.

[PutPeteIn]

Schebler is pathetic at the dish and has been for over a month.

[Wonderful Monds]

woof

[The Operator]

That pitch was the quintessential meatball.

Right in the dead middle of the strike zone.

[757690]

Cingrani wants to stay a Red. Touching his trade value tonight.

[Red Raindog]

Maybe Price wasn't too slow to the mound


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[reds44]

Lisa warming up means he won't get Feldman's spot.

So either Asher, or Stephens(on)

[The Operator]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Boy-That-Escalated-Quickly-Anchorman.gif

[Wonderful Monds]

Seems like it was yesterday Cingrani and what's his name who was the last "next Johnny Cueto" were set to be the 1-2 punch of the Reds rotation lol

[reds44]

wow thom really felt the need to sneak that over pronunciation in there for AAA

[Wonderful Monds]

Shoulda just gone for the inside the parker

[Tom Servo]

Schebler is pathetic at the dish and has been for over a month.
.244/.317/.444 over the last 30 days going into tonight

[reds44]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA "they didn't lose a single game that year"

[Wonderful Monds]

.244/.317/.444 over the last 30 days going into tonight

Tbh that's more what I expect from him than what he was doing in April/May.

I would honestly think about trading both Duvall and Schebler this winter if they can get something worth it for them.

[PutPeteIn]

In fairness to the Reds the last 40 games have been brutal:
6 Dodgers
7 Nationals
6 Arizona
4 at Rockies
3 Milwaukee
3 Cubs
3 at Pads
5 Cards

Brutal

[Wonderful Monds]

In fairness to the Reds the last 40 games have been brutal:
6 Dodgers
7 Nationals
6 Arizona
4 at Rockies
3 Milwaukee
3 Cubs
3 at Pads
5 Cards

Brutal

yeah man the entire league is brutal for the Reds lol

[reds44]

In fairness to the Reds the last 40 games have been brutal:
6 Dodgers
7 Nationals
6 Arizona
4 at Rockies
3 Milwaukee
3 Cubs
3 at Pads
5 Cards

Brutal

should bode well for when they make the playoffs

[PutPeteIn]

.244/.317/.444 over the last 30 days going into tonight

Strikes out every other AB. Why try to defend the guy. He has been horrible for some time now.
Those splits pretty well suck too.

[PutPeteIn]

yeah man the entire league is brutal for the Reds lol

Whatever man. If you can't see the brutality of that run your just being contrary which is what you are most of the time anyway.

[RedsfaninMT]

Tying this thread into the "Why Price Must Go" discussion, the right manager would yank Peraza now and stick someone else in the game. (The right manager wouldn't be playing him this much to begin with, but that's another argument altogether.) You keep accepting this type of play, you'll get this type of play.

That's another argument all together

[Wonderful Monds]

Whatever man. If you can't see the brutality of that run your just being contrary which is what you are most of the time anyway.

lol

[Tom Servo]

Strikes out every other AB. Why try to defend the guy. He has been horrible for some time now.
Those splits pretty well suck too.
Because he's played well this season and you turn on Reds players mid-game.

[Wonderful Monds]

You're tearing me apart, Lisalverto!

[PutPeteIn]

lol

Just what I figured. Crickets.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Dang, Pete. You're a little salty tonight. Not used to this you.

[reds44]

Just what I figured. Crickets.
no, not crickets, he was laughing out loud

[Wonderful Monds]

Just what I figured. Crickets.

https://image.ibb.co/cPGtek/IMG_6076.jpg

[Big Klu]

THom: "My, oh my. Ball four. How can you walk him in this situation? I know Goldschmidt is good, but three walks tonight? Nobody's that good!"

[Tom Servo]

"I know Goldschmidt is good, but three walks tonight? Nobody's that good!"
uhhhhhh

[Big Klu]

uhhhhhh

Chris tried to correct him.

Chris: "They're pitching to him the same way that many teams pitch to Votto. And some people would say he is that good!"

THom: "..."

[Tony Cloninger]

Bring back Chuckie. I've had enough of PutPeteIn. Put Pete Out!

[DocRed]

Aside from Raisel this bullpen ain't that great...in fact I'd go as far as saying its average or slightly below average without Iglesias.

[RedlegJake]

Let's calm down the personal stuff....we are all frustrated - don't take it out on each other

[WVRedsFan]

Cozart looks like he hurt himself

[Wonderful Monds]

Aside from Raisel this bullpen ain't that great...

I feel like having to bail out the rookies as much as they have doesn't bode well for sustained success

But Bonilla was never really apart of the particularly talented group and Cingrani has been pitching above himself all along

[Big Klu]

Let's calm down the personal stuff....we are all frustrated - don't take it out on each other

Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who!

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[WVRedsFan]

The most frustrating part is that nothing is getting better, 60% through the year. It just gets worse. Surely, the handwriting is on the wall that most of the kids just aren't going to make it.

[Wonderful Monds]

That's uh...no good.

[Center Cut]

This is rather miserable.

[Tom Servo]

lol

[DocRed]

I feel like having to bail out the rookies as much as they have doesn't bode well for sustained success

But Bonilla was never really apart of the particularly talented group and Cingrani has been pitching above himself all along

Cingrani has been a head case his entire career..particularly after they moved him to the pen. In some respects I would guess he resents that move.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The most frustrating part is that nothing is getting better, 60% through the year. It just gets worse. Surely, the handwriting is on the wall that most of the kids just aren't going to make it.

That's the thing. Almost everyone knew what this year was going to be W/L-wise. But we all want to see movement in the right direction for individual players. It's not happening.

[Wonderful Monds]

I see the Hoovmaster has basically regressed back into himself after a nice first month or so

[Big Klu]

THom still hammering on Goldschmidt for taking a walk.

[BluegrassRedleg]

THom still hammering on Goldschmidt for taking a walk.

:bang:

[Big Klu]

I guess maybe it really isn't just Votto. The Brennaman gene just hates walks in general.

(Of course, Goldy is basically a righty-hitting version of Joey.)

[Tom Servo]

I guess maybe it really isn't just Votto. The Brennaman gene just hates walks in general.

(Of course, Goldy is basically a righty-hitting version of Joey.)
The strangest thing is when you realize Marty and Thom really do prefer a deep flyout to a walk. Who's brain works like that?

[DocRed]

Time to play for the #1 Draft pick

[50YrRedsFan]

Every time Biilly swings at a piitch above the waist, he should drop and give us 20.

[RedlegJake]

Time to play for the #1 Draft pick

I don't think they'll be worse than Philly (currently 8.5 games behind for the dubious #1 pick "honor") SF is 5 behind us and the White Sox are #3 - 1 behind us (ahead of us?) Currently Reds are 4th pick


Getting tired of this every darn summer

[Tom Servo]

I don't think they'll be worse than Philly (currently 8.5 games behind for the dubious #1 pick "honor") SF is 5 behind us and the White Sox are #3 - 1 behind us (ahead of us?) Currently Reds are 4th pick
Phillies will be hard to catch, but a third straight year of #2 seems very doable.

[50YrRedsFan]

Phillies will be hard to catch, but a third straight year of #2 seems very doable.

It might be hard to catch the Giants also. But I have confidence in the Reds pitching (and lately, the hitting) to get there.

[Big Klu]

I don't think they'll be worse than Philly (currently 8.5 games behind for the dubious #1 pick "honor") SF is 5 behind us and the White Sox are #3 - 1 behind us (ahead of us?) Currently Reds are 4th pick


Getting tired of this every darn summer

The Reds are ahead of the White Sox for the #3 pick. (One game worse in the loss column.)

[durl]

Can't we do what the Astros did to become good?

[RedlegJake]

It might be hard to catch the Giants also.

Yep - their lineup really sucks and without MadBum and with Cueto struggling their staff is no great shakes either

[RedlegJake]

The Reds are ahead of the White Sox for the #3 pick. (One game worse in the loss column.)

I used the old wins behind plus losses behind added together then divided by 2. You are right by losses the Reds are a game ahead for #3. By my formula and win pct the Sox are slightly ahead

It's like arguing which horse is deadest - the one with rear half in the grave, or the one with front half in the ground

[Big Klu]

In the entire history of the Cincinnati Reds, they have had only three stretches of multiple consecutive last place finishes:

1931, 32, 33, 34
1982, 83
2015, 16, 17(?)

[50YrRedsFan]

Can't we do what the Astros did to become good?

The Reds have tried the past 3 years, but just aren't good enough to get there. (sarcasm)

[Tom Servo]

lol I just put the game back on and Chris has to explain to Thom that yelling at the pitchers won't make them better.

[RedlegJake]

In the entire history of the Cincinnati Reds, they have had only three stretches of multiple consecutive last place finishes:

1931, 32, 33, 34
1982, 83
2015, 16, 17(?)

If they keep trying hard enough maybe they can catch those 1930s teams. They had some good hitters too - Heilemann, Bottomley, Hafey, Lombardi but the pitching was awful.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza got a single, but that's all folks. We are still (very) bad.

[WVRedsFan]

Game over for the hundreds attending--worse attendance in the league, I understand. You think maybe they might change their philosophy and spend some money? No, I don't think that at all.

[Wonderful Monds]

lol I just put the game back on and Chris has to explain to Thom that yelling at the pitchers won't make them better.

One of my favorite things to happen in a game broadcast in a long time.

[Big Klu]

No single standout for the D-Backs, as nine different players had an extra-base hit.

So tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Zack Cozart, who was 3-for-4 with a HR, double, and single, and scored both runs for the Reds.

(Joe also gets a chance to talk to Zack about his All-Star experience.)

[Tom Servo]

One of my favorite things to happen in a game broadcast in a long time.
lol it was so good. "Just to go back to what you said before partner, I actually don't think it's time to crack open people's heads and feast on the goo inside."

[Big Klu]

If they keep trying hard enough maybe they can catch those 1930s teams. They had some good hitters too - Heilemann, Bottomley, Hafey, Lombardi but the pitching was awful.

They had a few decent pitching performances in those years from Red Lucas, Si Johnson, 40+ year-old Eppa Rixey, Benny Frey, and a not-ready-for-prime-time Paul Derringer. But overall both the pitching and hitting left a lot to be desired. It was a dark, dark age in the Rhineland in those days.

[Big Klu]

lol it was so good. "Just to go back to what you said before partner, I actually don't think it's time to crack open people's heads and feast on the goo inside."

THom seemed so disappointed in Chris' answer, too.

[ScotlandRed]

Since the start of the 'rebuild', has this been the most depressing 4 game stretch as a Reds fan? I genuinely can't think of one positive since the ASB. Even Votto isn't hitting.

[CrackerJack]

Since the start of the 'rebuild', has this been the most depressing 4 game stretch as a Reds fan? I genuinely can't think of one positive since the ASB. Even Votto isn't hitting.

Dick says the new rebuilding plan is to field an entire starting lineup and rotation/bullpen with #2 over-all picks by 2040. (didn't do the math but they can sign a few Latino tweens to multi-million dollar deals, to fill-in the other spots).

But seriously just hang in there, Reed, Homer, Garrett and Stephenson are going to turn it around any day now I tell ya!