7/20/2017 Reds vs D'Backs DAY Game

[cumberlandreds]

Second day this week. I would imagine it will be hot one if Cincinnati is anything like where I live, DC area. I don't think FSO is televising. Mez is back! Let's hope he can hold up for a while.

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[WrongVerb]

Struggling batter batting in front of Votto and behind Hamilton. He'll see lots of fastballs either way. I like it.

[Tom Servo]

Struggling batter batting in front of Votto and behind Hamilton. He'll see lots of fastballs either way. I like it.
I liked Suarez in the #2 spot last year, I thought he really did well there and was disappointed he got moved. The stats bear it out too:

http://i.imgur.com/CROUhzN.png?1

[WrongVerb]

FYI:



Nick Piecoro
@nickpiecoro

Taijuan Walker scratched from today's start, placed on paternity list. Patrick Corbin will start (on regular rest). Matt Koch en route.
7:15am · 20 Jul 2017

[klw]

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J.D. Martinez is out of the lineup. He said his hand still hurt, was still sore.

[klw]

walk to start the game. not a great beginning

[klw]

double on a 1-2 pitch, runners at 2 and 3

[klw]

Homer by Lamb 3-0 Arizona, no one out in the first

http://www.gifbin.com/bin/1238584287_seinfeld_had_enough.gif

[Tom Servo]

lol

[Big Klu]

Diamondbacks broadcast is on MLB Network. Bob Brenly is the color commentator. (Don't know who is doing PBP.)

[Tadasimha]

Bring him home, Joey

[Wonderful Monds]

Billy gets thrown out again

[Tadasimha]

Dang it

[Tom Servo]

Diamondbacks broadcast is on MLB Network. Bob Brenly is the color commentator. (Don't know who is doing PBP.)
Believe that's Steve Berthiaume, formerly of ESPN and SNY.


Billy doubles but thrown out trying to steal third, which seems dumb to try with Votto at bat.

[Chip R]

Believe that's Steve Berthiaume, formerly of ESPN and SNY.


Billy doubles but thrown out trying to steal third, which seems dumb to try with Votto at bat.

It's not like he hasn't done it before. SMH.

[WVRedsFan]

Billy's obsession with stealing every time he is on base tends to backfire. Votto did nothing, but it just seems silly to me.

[Tom Servo]

Seems like Luis doesn't have the strikeout pitch working today, gonna rely on contact.

[Big Klu]

Not a huge fan of Scooter starting against LHP.

[BCubb2003]

Arizona announcers criticized Cincinnati's airport but praised GABP's x-ray machine.

[Tadasimha]

Arizona announcers criticized Cincinnati's airport but praised GABP's x-ray machine.

Are they comparing cavity searches now?

[BCubb2003]

Are they comparing cavity searches now?

They said it was hard to get a flight into Cincinnati (N.Ky.) when you needed to bring a player in, but GABP's x-ray machine was state of the art (for Martinez's hand).

[PutPeteIn]

Castillo seems to have settled in having retired 8 of last 9.
Sure don't need to give them anymore the way the early innings have gone for the Reds today.

[Tom Servo]

Three scoreless frames for Castillo after the first inning.

[Big Klu]

D-Backs have a promotion where you get free tacos at Taco Bell when they score 5 or more runs.

I gotta think there's better Mexican food in Phoenix than the Bell!

[Tom Servo]

Suarez HR! Votto single.

[Big Klu]

Duvall single
Scooter infield single (was called out, but overturned)

[WVRedsFan]

This should be a big, big inning.

Maybe not. Rocco popup and Schebler strike out. Peraza up

[Tom Servo]

This should be a big, big inning
or not

[RedTeamGo!]

Good thing Winker is at AAA

[Tom Servo]

Good thing Schebler is at AAA
are you guys really turning on him rn

[Big Klu]

This should be a big, big inning.

Not

[NC Reds]

That was sad.

[Tony Cloninger]

3-1 pitch was maybe ball 4. Outside and high. Not sure what approach Devin was using but it seemed like well I will swing because it's 3-1.

[reds44]

Wooo boy that was an inning

[WVRedsFan]

Bases loaded, no outs after the home run and a popup, strike and a popup.

[Tom Servo]

Bases loaded, no outs after the home run and a popup, strike and a popup.
is that bad

[Norse1978]

Those where three god awful at bats

[RedTeamGo!]

are you guys really turning on him rn

It was a typo - meant Winker. I think it's clear Schebler could have used today off.

[ScotlandRed]

3-1 pitch was maybe ball 4. Outside and high. Not sure what approach Devin was using but it seemed like well I will swing because it's 3-1.

I thought the 3-0 pitch was outside and the 3-1 was a similar pitch.

[BluegrassRedleg]

That was a Reds inning if I've ever seen one.


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[Tony Cloninger]

are you guys really turning on him rn

He just swings hard and hopes to drive the ball. Eventually the scouting report catches up and he has started to look bad. The approach by Devin was the bad part of that inning on 3-1. He just swung because it looked close.

[NC Reds]

Missed it by...that much.

[ScotlandRed]

What on earth was Schebler playing at there

[Tony Cloninger]

I thought the 3-0 pitch was outside and the 3-1 was a similar pitch.

Maybe it's why he swung then.

[Tom Servo]

He just swings hard and hopes to drive the ball. Eventually the scouting report catches up and he has started to look bad.
Yeah, he's slumping and will need to adjust. Not a huge deal.

[Kc61]

are you guys really turning on him rn

I'm not.

Like I said, you need to give him a full season before evaluating.

Scheb was hot, then he wasn't, but there are months to go, adjustment and re-adjustment, I think he could finish strong. Hope so.

[WVRedsFan]

is that bad

Yessir. But often seen.

[BCubb2003]

Sometimes you Wink, sometimes you Scheble.

[Wonderful Monds]

lol DBacks broadcaster just called GABP "Good American Ballpark"

[reds44]

I will feel 1000000% about this teams rebuild if, before the end of the year, Disco can show he's healthy and Stephenson can pitch like Luis

[Norse1978]

Totally agree. That was an impressive start by Castillo not his best stuff and hang tough vs a really good lineup

[Kc61]

I will feel 1000000% about this teams rebuild if, before the end of the year, Disco can show he's healthy and Stephenson can pitch like Luis

Have the Reds announced a pitcher for Saturday? Feldman's spot?

It would be Stephenson's turn.

Stephens pitched yesterday and Bonilla was just sent back. So I'm guessing Bob Steve gets another chance.

[reds44]

Have the Reds announced a pitcher for Saturday? Feldman's spot?

It would be Stephenson's turn.

Stephens pitched yesterday and Bonilla was just sent back. So I'm guessing Bob Steve gets another chance.
It's either Stephenson or Woj. I would let Woj get carpet bombed a few times and leave Stephenson in AAA a bit longer.

[Wonderful Monds]

lol DBacks broadcaster just called GABP "Good American Ballpark"

And again lmao

[reds44]

Remember when the bullpen was good?

[Tom Servo]

Couldn't even keep that ERA somewhat low for a trade could ya, Tony

[Norse1978]

Tony is a home run machine

[Tom Servo]

Tony is a home run machine
Which is the only thing he was good at preventing last year! It makes no sense.

[WVRedsFan]

Tony needs to go. Change of scenery, but I really don't see any moves on the horizon as is per usual with the Reds lately

[Norse1978]

Which is the only thing he was good at preventing last year! It makes no sense.

I agree it's typical Reds luck. Ha

[DocRed]

Cingrani being Cingrani..

[WVRedsFan]

Anyone have a clue why Kivlehan is up at the home club and Winker is rotting in AAA?

Same with Alcantara

[reds44]

Schebler is yeesh right now

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Anyone have a clue why Kivlehan is up at the home club and Winker is rotting in AAA?

Because price can't figure out how to get 4 OFers consistent ABs because he has the creativity of a rock

[Big Klu]

Anyone have a clue why Kivlehan is up at the home club and Winker is rotting in AAA?

Same with Alcantara

Really? We're complaining about two guys who combine for between 5-10 AB's a week?

I don't think they are the problems.

[Mutaman]

Really? We're complaining about two guys who combine for between 5-10 AB's a week?

I don't think they are the problems.

We have to blame somebody. Me- I blame Bryan and RZ posters.

[Chip R]

Really? We're complaining about two guys who combine for between 5-10 AB's a week?

I don't think they are the problems.

He's definitely the player keeping the Reds from the postseason.

But it's a RedsZone tradition to complain about the 24th and 25th guys on the roster and pine for the new flavor in AAA. Heck, I remember back in the late 90s on Fastball people were pining for D.T. Cromer.

[Big Klu]

He's definitely the player keeping the Reds from the postseason.

But it's a RedsZone tradition to complain about the 24th and 25th guys on the roster and pine for the new flavor in AAA. Heck, I remember back in the late 90s on Fastball people were pining for D.T. Cromer.

Two words:

Roberto Petagine

[WVRedsFan]

Really? We're complaining about two guys who combine for between 5-10 AB's a week?

I don't think they are the problems.Not complaining or thinking they are the problem, but just wondering why.

Sorry I mentioned it.

[50YrRedsFan]

Really? We're complaining about two guys who combine for between 5-10 AB's a week?

I don't think they are the problems.

The complaining will continue until this mess is turned around.

[Tom Servo]

Two HRs for Suarez! Thanks, JJ Hoover.

[50YrRedsFan]

Good to see Hoover returning to form.

[Tony Cloninger]

Really? We're complaining about two guys who combine for between 5-10 AB's a week?

I don't think they are the problems.

We who complain realize it's not the main problem but speaks of the inertia that sometimes grips this FO when it comes to looking for a better option. Even if small. Even if it's only bench players but Winker could be more than that and help at the TOTO. And Scooter is Not an OF.

[Big Klu]

Not complaining or thinking they are the problem, but just wondering why.

My guess is that they want Winker to play regularly, which he wouldn't do if he were on the Reds' bench.

Also with a short five-man bench (with two of those spots taken by catchers), defensive versatility is needed in the remaining slots. Alcantara plays 2B, SS, 3B, and all three OF spots. Kivlehan plays 1B, 3B, LF, and RF.

[membengal]

Not complaining or thinking they are the problem, but just wondering why.

Sorry I mentioned it.

It's not an unfair question from where I sit, would rather Winker be here myself - which has nothing to do with more wins or losses.

[Tony Cloninger]

Hoover just can't pitch here. He's glad to be away from this ballpark.

[50YrRedsFan]

My guess is that they want Winker to play regularly, which he wouldn't do if he were on the Reds' bench.

Also with a short five-man bench (with two of those spots taken by catchers), defensive versatility is needed in the remaining slots. Alcantara plays 2B, SS, 3B, and all three OF spots. Kivlehan plays 1B, 3B, LF, and RF.

They could play Winker at this level, and sit guys who aren't performing...but I guess they haven't figured that out yet.

[RedTeamGo!]

Suarez is such a true league average talent. Yawn.

[Chip R]

Hoover just can't pitch here. He's glad to be away from this ballpark.

If only the bases were loaded.

[Big Klu]

We who complain realize it's not the main problem but speaks of the inertia that sometimes grips this FO when it comes to looking for a better option. Even if small. Even if it's only bench players but Winker could be more than that and help at the TOTO. And Scooter is Not an OF.

I would guess that there might be room for him if they weren't carrying three catchers. But the FO has determined that carrying a Rule 5 player on the roster is necessary (not saying I agree or disagree, but it's just a fact of life), so there isn't room for an extra outfielder.

[Wonderful Monds]

Jeebus

[Powel Crosley]

This was a lot more fun a month ago when I could still pretend we had a chance at the playoffs.

[WVRedsFan]

This was a lot more fun a month ago when I could still pretend we had a chance at the playoffs.Pretend is correct. Glad that wasn't a question. You might have received a lecture.

[Tom Servo]

They could play Winker at this level, and sit guys who aren't performing...but I guess they haven't figured that out yet.
How can you expect them to start performing again if they're sitting on the bench?

I think I would prefer Winker on the Reds bench if only because he doesn't have much more to prove in Louisville other than knocking some more balls out the park, but it's not like there's clear cut playing time for him that the Reds are letting slip by.

[Wonderful Monds]

Jeebus

[Big Klu]

It has become apparent to me that the D-Backs announcers have no idea how far away the river actually is.

[Norse1978]

Wow Ariel got lit up

[Tom Servo]

did Hernandez really allow a pair of three run HRs in that inning

[Raisor]

How can you expect them to start performing again if they're sitting on the bench?

I think I would prefer Winker on the Reds bench if only because he doesn't have much more to prove in Louisville other than knocking some more balls out the park, but it's not like there's clear cut playing time for him that the Reds are letting slip by.

This is Schebler's second ten game slump, he's clearly bullpen or whatever

[50YrRedsFan]

How can you expect them to start performing again if they're sitting on the bench?

I think I would prefer Winker on the Reds bench if only because he doesn't have much more to prove in Louisville other than knocking some more balls out the park, but it's not like there's clear cut playing time for him that the Reds are letting slip by.

IMHO, This team has regressed as the season has progressed. Maybe the powers should change their thinking.

[Chip R]

This is Schebler's second ten game slump, he's clearly bullpen or whatever

Louisville bullpen, you mean.

[Big Klu]

did Hernandez really allow a pair of three run HRs in that inning

Bob Brenly said that Jeff Brantley told him that the Reds have given up 20 home runs in the last seven games (since the All-Star Break).

[Crumbley]

Folks,

[WVRedsFan]

12-2 final

[50YrRedsFan]

Well, another game, another beat down.

[Tom Servo]

IMHO, This team has regressed as the season has progressed. Maybe the powers should change their thinking.
Okay, but where are you going to get playing time for Winker?

[50YrRedsFan]

Okay, but where are you going to get playing time for Winker?

If they wanted to, they could give other guys days off here and there.

[Big Klu]

The D-Backs are packing up and out the door for getaway day, so...

Today's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Eugenio Suarez, who was 2-for-3 with a pair of solo HR's.

[Tony Cloninger]

I would guess that there might be room for him if they weren't carrying three catchers. But the FO has determined that carrying a Rule 5 player on the roster is necessary (not saying I agree or disagree, but it's just a fact of life), so there isn't room for an extra outfielder.

Yes that thing. That I understand.

[reds44]

Lose today to win later!

[Raisor]

If they wanted to, they could give other guys days off here and there.

All four guys need to play everyday. That's why Winker is in AAA

[klw]

Nice to see Ariel strike out the side in the 9th!

[Big Klu]

Pretend is correct. Glad that wasn't a question. You might have received a lecture.

I'm sorry for coming across that way. I think a lot of us are getting cranky due to the heat and the ineptitude of the club during their 1-6 start coming out of the Break. (I know I am.)

[durl]

95 games in and the Reds do not have a starting pitcher with a winning record. Only 1 starter with an ERA under 4. 6 starters have an ERA over 7.

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[mhs95_06]

I joined this site today. Wanted to make a comment on how frustrated it makes me that Reds hitters cannot have productive at bats when a hit or walk is not needed to advance the inning. For instance, today after the Reds fell behind 3-0 in the 1st and then Billy led off with a double in the bottom of the 1st, it was imperative that the Reds score. Suarez struck out rather than doing something to get Billy to 3rd where a ground out, which Votto ended up doing, would have scored him. Some criticized Billy for trying to steal 3rd with one out, but he was trying to get there for the same reason as Suarez should have been trying to get him there, and it took a perfect throw to get him. So I put the flame for the 1st inning offensive failure on Suarez.

Then in the fateful 4th the Reds trailed by 2 runs(after Castillo had settled down and gotten zeroes on the board for 3 straight innings) and had the bases loaded and no out, giving both Mesoroco and Schebler the opportunity to each drive in a run without benefit of a hit and tie the game, but no, a pop-up and a strike out ruined that inning, and the losing die was cast. Very frustrating!

[Ron Madden]

I joined this site today. Wanted to make a comment on how frustrated it makes me that Reds hitters cannot have productive at bats when a hit or walk is not needed to advance the inning. For instance, today after the Reds fell behind 3-0 in the 1st and then Billy led off with a double in the bottom of the 1st, it was imperative that the Reds score. Suarez struck out rather than doing something to get Billy to 3rd where a ground out, which Votto ended up doing, would have scored him. Some criticized Billy for trying to steal 3rd with one out, but he was trying to get there for the same reason as Suarez should have been trying to get him there, and it took a perfect throw to get him. So I put the flame for the 1st inning offensive failure on Suarez.

Then in the fateful 4th the Reds trailed by 2 runs(after Castillo had settled down and gotten zeroes on the board for 3 straight innings) and had the bases loaded and no out, giving both Mesoroco and Schebler the opportunity to each drive in a run without benefit of a hit and tie the game, but no, a pop-up and a strike out ruined that inning, and the losing die was cast. Very frustrating!

As a Reds Fan it's frustrating aint it Votto14..

Have ya ever noticed the guys on that little hill in the middle of the diamond?
They might have more to do with all these loses than the offense, don't ya think?

[Ron Madden]

I know many of you will disagree with my opinion but I'm givin it to ya anyway.

We just can't afford the payroll of the Dodgers, Cubs or Cardinals.

In order to be competitive year in and year out it requires a Total Rebuild Of The Entire Organization.
The total rebuild of an organization takes time. There will be growing pains and losing records along the way.

This total rebuild is far from over but the future of the organization looks a whole lot better than it did in 2015.

Nobody knows exactly when we can again realistically compete for a championship. (But never mortgage the future on a hope and a prayer)

I just hope the Reds stay the course and in the end have a legit chance to win championships year in and year out..

P.S.
I didn't post this to tee anyone off. Just the thoughts and ramblings of an old life long Reds Fan.