7/30/17 - Reds @ Miami

[Tom Servo]

Hamilton 8
Gennett 4
Votto 3
Duvall 7
Suarez 5
Schebler 9
Peraza 6
Barnhart 2
Castillo RHP

[JaxRed]

The irony pitching matchup. Castillo versus Strailley.

[Tom Servo]

The irony pitching matchup. Castillo versus Strailley.
We were supposed to get Disco vs Latos in Reds vs Marlins in 2015 but Latos got scratched.

Also (pedantic mode) I don't think it's actually "irony".

[JaxRed]

We were supposed to get Disco vs Latos in Reds vs Marlins in 2015 but Latos got scratched.

Also (pedantic mode) I don't think it's actually "irony".

Got a better word? (not being snarky)

[757690]

We were supposed to get Disco vs Latos in Reds vs Marlins in 2015 but Latos got scratched.

Also (pedantic mode) I don't think it's actually "irony".

Irony means "the last thing you would expect." The way it's misused these days, it is ironic when "irony" is used correctly.

[kaldaniels]

This is it. This decides the winner of the trade.

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[TheBigLebowski]

For all intensive purposes, irony is misused a lot.

[TheBigLebowski]

I am excited to get my first real look at Castillo.

[Big Klu]

For all intensive purposes, irony is misused a lot.

If you have old pipes in your house, sometimes the water will taste irony.

[JaxRed]

For all intensive purposes, irony is misused a lot.

I'm assuming that was on purpose. (Gives the benefit of the doubt, despite no smiley face)

[Tom Servo]

Got a better word? (not being snarky)
I feel typically "how ironic" can be replaced with "what a coincidence".

[kaldaniels]

I feel typically "how ironic" can be replaced with "what a coincidence".

I was thinking "coincidental" as well.

Also "humorous" is fitting, for me at least.

[TheBigLebowski]

I'm assuming that was on purpose. (Gives the benefit of the doubt, despite no smiley face)

Wouldn't it be ironic if it wasn't?

[JaxRed]

OK, I will agree with coincidental. A way better word. I researched the real definition of the word irony. It's subtle....but in no case would 'the last thing you expect' be the definition.

[TheBigLebowski]

That was a ball.

[JaxRed]

Was hoping Schebler was going to get a hold of one. Seems like he just missed it.

[BCubb2003]

You might call it fateful.

The classic definitions of irony are:

Socratic irony: A black fly in your hemlock. Actually, it's when the teacher plays dumb to lead the students to learn a lesson. What if Alanis knew what she was doing and was trying to make people aware of the actual definitions of irony?

Dramatic irony: The audience knows what's happening to the characters in a play, but the characters aren't aware yet.

There might be modern versions of those, like when you say the opposite of what you mean to make a point. References to a "titanic struggle," for instance.

Or a kind of cosmic irony, where we are all characters in a play, and the angels know what's about to happen to us. "If you want to see God laugh, tell him your plans."

[TheBigLebowski]

Nice hitting by Tucker

[JaxRed]

Peraza and Barnhart loop singles to score Suarez who had walked.

[Kc61]

Squeeze works.

[Big Klu]

Castillo with a safety squeeze bunt single. Peraza scores!

[JaxRed]

I live in Florida. So I have to watch the Marlins broadcast. (because it's so easy to drive 5 hours to Miami for the game). Anyway, the Miami broadcasters are talking about how they just traded Phelps and Ramos. And that it's ironic that they are playing each other today :)

[TheBigLebowski]

Dangit Scooter

[Big Klu]

I live in Florida. So I have to watch the Marlins broadcast. (because it's so easy to drive 5 hours to Miami for the game). Anyway, the Miami broadcasters are talking about how they just traded Phelps and Ramos. And that it's ironic that they are playing each other today :)

It would be easier to drive to Atlanta than Miami, wouldn't it?

[TheBigLebowski]

I live in Florida. So I have to watch the Marlins broadcast. (because it's so easy to drive 5 hours to Miami for the game). Anyway, the Miami broadcasters are talking about how they just traded Phelps and Ramos. And that it's ironic that they are playing each other today :)

I'm 75 mins west of you, also watching the Marlins' broadcast.

[JaxRed]

It would be easier to drive to Atlanta than Miami, wouldn't it?

Ironically.



(Technically, no)

[Big Klu]

Votto pops up in foul territory. Marlins SS Rojas drops it for an error.

Votto eventually grounds out to 2nd to end the inning.

[Tom Servo]

Scoreless 2nd for Castillo

[JaxRed]

Castillo ERA now lower than Strailly.

[JaxRed]

Peraza boots a ball for a hit. Certainly could have been caught. Strailly sacrifices. 2 out man on 2nd. Line out for 3rd out.

[OnBaseMachine]

Tucker Barnhart called for three sliders against the extremely light hitting Miguel Rojas. Why?

Jose Peraza's defense leaves a lot to be desired. That's an error.

[Big Klu]

Peraza boots a ball for a hit. Certainly could have been caught. Strailly sacrifices. 2 out man on 2nd. Line out for 3rd out.

Pretty weak scoring decision, especially for the first hit of the game.

[Ron Madden]

38 pitches for the Kid. Not bad at all.

[Tom Servo]

Pretty weak scoring decision, especially for the first hit of the game.
Peraza definitely booted it, but I thought in real time he wasn't going to get the runner even fielding it cleanly.

[Big Klu]

What the heck was that? Yelich just pulled up and allowed that ball to drop in, as Peraza gets his second hit.

[Kc61]

Peraza starting to elevate the ball more, should result in more LDs and base hits.

[Norse1978]

Peraza boots a ball for a hit. Certainly could have been caught. Strailly sacrifices. 2 out man on 2nd. Line out for 3rd out.

I wish Jim Kelch did all the TV games. Between George's stories and Thom's complaining. Not to mention the bad baseball I want rip my head off.

[757690]

Straily has been getting a lot of pop ups this season. I count three already in this game.

[Ron Madden]

Ya Know I loved the Straily trade from the get go. But I still like Dan Straily's personality.

[reds44]

Castillo is good

[Tom Servo]

Scoreless 4th for Castillo with a pair of strikeouts. Looking very sharp.

[Ron Madden]

Castillo is good

And I believe he's gonna get Better.

[ScotlandRed]

Peraza seems to have quite poor range at short.

Can't imagine Cozart not getting to that hit from Moore.

[JaxRed]

A second hit. Another ball that could have been caught by Peraza. Would have been a lot tougher play this time but he's just a guy out there.

[TheBigLebowski]

Very impressed with Castillo. One of the few bright spots this season.

[Ron Madden]

Castillo is lookin good. This Kid is fun to watch.

[Kc61]

Peraza range runs at second base slightly negative, at short slightly positive.

First play was tough but he should have made it. Second play I thought it was tougher, hard hit grounder.

[OnBaseMachine]

A second hit. Another ball that could have been caught by Peraza. Would have been a lot tougher play this time but he's just a guy out there.

Yep. Peraza isn't a SS. Suarez is much better there, IMO.

[Ron Madden]

Geno just keeps gettin on base...

[Tom Servo]

Peraza range runs at second base slightly negative, at short slightly positive.

First play was tough but he should have made it. Second play I thought it was tougher, hard hit grounder.
Welsh pointed out some struggles on balls to his left, that was the case with both plays.

After hearing all the stuff about how Suarez was a butcher who would never get better in any role other than DH, I don't worry much about kids struggling on defense. Peraza probably isn't a shortstop, but with Cozart out it doesn't matter.

[BillDoran]

If we could go into Spring Training 2018 with a healthy Homer, a healthy Disco and Luis Castillo, things would seem to finally be looking up.

Go out and sign a reliable veteran arm or two for the four spot in the rotation and let the youngens battle it out for the fifth spot.

A much improved rotation to pair with the bullpen and the offense might make the Reds competitive for the first time in half a decade.

[JaxRed]

With the Senzel train coming ever closer to Cincy, I'm more intrigued with the possibility of moving Geno back to SS.

[11larkin11]

If we could go into Spring Training 2018 with a healthy Homer, a healthy Disco and Luis Castillo, things would seem to finally be looking up.

Go out and sign a reliable veteran arm or two for the four spot in the rotation and let the youngens battle it out for the fifth spot.

A much improved rotation to pair with the bullpen and the offense might make the Reds competitive for the first time in half a decade.

While he isn't 100% a guarantee, I'm comfortable penciling Finnegan in that spot and letting the youngens battle for the 5 spot.

[Kc61]

Peraza is 13th of 22 NL shortstops in range runs, assuming 150 innings at the position.

He's mid-pack in range. Not his strong point. Low error-type, pretty consistent.

[JaxRed]

On the Miami broadcast they showed Castillo stopping almost immediately after hitting first. I'd love to see one of those GPS speed bubbles like they use on NASCAR broadcast. It HAS to show them slowing down before they hit first. Just run through the bag.

[BillDoran]

While he isn't 100% a guarantee, I'm comfortable penciling Finnegan in that spot and letting the youngens battle for the 5 spot.

Great point. Even if he's not in the rotation, he'd be an excellent addition to the bullpen.

If the Reds are serious about competing next year, they'll go out and add a reliable rotation arm or two.

We'll likely lose Cozart, so shortstop will have to be shored up as well, but there's a lot to like for a team that's been dreadful for so long (said Pollyanna).

[Big Klu]

On the Miami broadcast they showed Castillo stopping almost immediately after hitting first. I'd love to see one of those GPS speed bubbles like they use on NASCAR broadcast. It HAS to show them slowing down before they hit first. Just run through the bag.

He's got good brakes.

[Tom Servo]

Mattingly has had a short leash on Straily (and many of his pitchers) this year.

[Tom Servo]

Castillo scuffling a little in the 6th, went full on Mike Aviles and now walks Dee Gordon.

[Kc61]

They could have given Luis a dry shirt between innings.

[Tom Servo]

Bleh. 2-1 game as Ellis doubles over Billy's head.

[JaxRed]

Anyone else think that Billy mistimed that a bit?

[Ron Madden]

Helluva Play Tucker!!!

[Big Klu]

Your run-of-the-mill 2-yessiree-5!

[Tom Servo]

Anyone else think that Billy mistimed that a bit?
At the very least it is one he normally catches.

Castillo escapes thanks to some dumb luck.

[_Sir_Charles_]

HELLUVA PLAY by Tucker!

[WVRedsFan]

We need some luck. Great play.

[Ron Madden]

Votto walks. Bases Loaded. Strike 2 was a ball.

[Ironman92]

Gone are the days of taking the first pitch to let him steal...nice it though

[WVRedsFan]

Bases loaded, no one out. What are the odds the Reds don't score?

[Ironman92]

Bases loaded, no one out. What are the odds the Reds don't score?

If hitters go oppo they'll lead soon

[Ron Madden]

Bases loaded, no one out. What are the odds the Reds don't score?

Oh Yee Of Little Faith! :)

[WVRedsFan]

If hitters go oppo they'll lead soonI have no confidence.

But, the ground ball gets us a run. 3-1

[Ron Madden]

Geno walks again.

[Tom Servo]

man Scheb is in a funk

[ScotlandRed]

Oh Jose....

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Peraza gets there eventually after trying to walk on three balls

[Ron Madden]

Peraza walks 4-1 Reds!

[JaxRed]

Peraza walks. I say again Peraza walks !!

[Tom Servo]

Peraza walk!!

[Big Klu]

Jose Peraza with a bases-loaded walk. One of the signs of the Apocalypse.

[JaxRed]

might go ahead and pinch hit for Castillo

[Ron Madden]

Tuck 2 RBI single!!! Reds 6- 1

[Tom Servo]

Barnhart dribbles a single to bring in two more

6-1 Redlegs

[WVRedsFan]

Barnhart comes through again. Single sores and the lead is now 6-1,

[Tom Servo]

Ugh just take Castillo out

[JaxRed]

Yeah I would have pinch hit. 5 run lead, runners on base. Save some wear and tear on Castillo.

[WVRedsFan]

might go ahead and pinch hit for Castillonope. It would be Kivlehan or Alcantara with the same result and BP is obsessed to get these kids to 7 innings, even if it means losing.

[Ironman92]

Jose Peraza with a bases-loaded walk. One of the signs of the Apocalypse.

Or the once a week win

[Big Klu]

84 pitches is now too many, and we have to take him out?

[ScotlandRed]

84 pitches and 5 run lead, when DO you leave him in?

[Tom Servo]

84 pitches is now too many, and we have to take him out?
It's not too much, but what's wrong with 6 innings from a starter and letting the pen finish it out? Why not save those extra bullets for Castillo?

[JaxRed]

84 pitches and 5 run lead, when DO you leave him in?

When he's a 4 year vet and been pitching 200 innings a year

[Ron Madden]

That scared me!

[Big Klu]

It's not too much, but what's wrong with 6 innings from a starter and letting the pen finish it out? Why not save those extra bullets for Castillo?

Have you been watching this pen lately?

[WVRedsFan]

Well done, Luis.

[Ron Madden]

Good Job Castillo!!!

[JaxRed]

Have you been watching this pen lately?

You act like this game is more than an exhibition.

[WVRedsFan]

Castillo is the future, it appears. 7IP, 3H, 1R, 1BB, 3K. Not too hsabby.

[Big Klu]

Now, to blow your minds, at 96 pitches I would give him one more inning.

[ScotlandRed]

When he's a 4 year vet and been pitching 200 innings a year

The guy needs to learn how to go deep in games - what better chance when he been dominating and has low pitch count?

[reds44]

That better be it for Castillo

[Wonderful Monds]

Peraza has like 3 walks in the last week now lol

[JaxRed]

Now, to blow your minds, at 96 pitches I would give him one more inning.

Go sit in the corner.

[WVRedsFan]

Now, to blow your minds, at 96 pitches I would give him one more inning.Mind blown :)

[kaldaniels]

Before the game I'd have been ecstatic if you had told me Luis would go 7 IP 1 R 96 pitches and depart with a 6-1 run lead.

Ecstatic.

[Big Klu]

Billy with two walks today.

Another sign of the Apocalypse.

[Tom Servo]

Now, to blow your minds, at 96 pitches I would give him one more inning.
I imagine Price will. And I know you guys and Welsh imagine yourselves as brave heretics standing up to the pitch count bullies, but I was saying this same stuff about Price's usage of Lorenzen and Finnegan. Lorenzen got hurt, Finnegan got hurt. I think you take it easy on rookies.

[Wonderful Monds]

I still have a video on my phone from like 5 years ago of George Grande saying "and the Reds strand a rander" at the end of an inning

[Ron Madden]

Both runners move up a base on a deep fly out by Votto

[PutPeteIn]

Gentleman, we have our ace.

[JaxRed]

Castillo has never pitched more than 131 innings in a season. That was 2016. He's now at 127 innings with more than 2 months to go. He's quite possible our biggest pitching asset. A smart team would be looking for ways to reduce his innings for the rest of the year. Pitching him in the 7th and 8th innings of games where we have a 5 run lead and are out of contention is not smart.

[Ron Madden]

DAMN!!!

[WVRedsFan]

Duvall loves those 0-2 counts.

[Big Klu]

I imagine Price will. And I know you guys and Welsh imagine yourselves as brave heretics standing up to the pitch count bullies, but I was saying this same stuff about Price's usage of Lorenzen and Finnegan. Lorenzen got hurt, Finnegan got hurt. I think you take it easy on rookies.

I just don't think that every 84-pitch performance, or 96-pitch performance, is created equal. Castillo has not labored at all in this game.

[Wonderful Monds]

Castillo has never pitched more than 131 innings in a season. That was 2016. He's now at 127 innings with more than 2 months to go. He's quite possible our biggest pitching asset. A smart team would be looking for ways to reduce his innings for the rest of the year. Pitching him in the 7th and 8th innings of games where we have a 5 run lead and are out of contention is not smart.

Well neither is our manager, so checkmate sir.

[TheBigLebowski]

Ellington does not throw 100 mph. Never trust these tv radar guns

[Wonderful Monds]

Every team has a guy or two who throws 100 now, man

[WVRedsFan]

Welp. 1st and 3rd, nobody out and...

[Tom Servo]

I just don't think that every 84-pitch performance, or 96-pitch performance, is created equal. Castillo has not labored at all in this game.
He wasn't for the first several innings but he didn't look as sharp the last two and the pace of the game came to a screeching halt. It's not asking too much of him but I'd rather save those pitches for September.

[Big Klu]

Every team has a guy or two who throws 100 now, man

Some people are saying the balls are juiced this year.

I think the radar guns are juiced.

[reds44]

Price sending him back out. Awesome. I'm

[ScotlandRed]

OK I would not have sent Castillo out for the 8th...

[_Sir_Charles_]

Really nice outing from Castillo. Nice to see. Baby steps folks, baby steps.

[Wonderful Monds]

Some people are saying the balls are juiced this year.

I think the radar guns are juiced.

I think that actually is partially true, I know they've said a couple times new guns around every stadium might have added 1-2 MPH to some guys pitches because they measure velocity differently.

The balls are for sure juiced tho

[Ron Madden]

I think I'd have pulled The Kid after 7 fine innings.

[Wonderful Monds]

Really nice outing from Castillo. Nice to see. Baby steps folks, baby steps.

Not over yet, thanks to King Dumb Dumb

[PuffyPig]

Ugh just take Castillo out

Maybe not LOL?

[Tom Servo]

Great start Luis

[Ron Madden]

OK pull him now.. Helluva Job Kid!!!!

[Wonderful Monds]

He's gonna let him go for the CG, I feel it

[_Sir_Charles_]

Not over yet, thanks to King Dumb Dumb

I'm fine with him going back out. He's looking rock solid and he's throwing nice and easy.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I love how there's a pitch-count discussion for every game with this kid. :laugh:

[Ironman92]

I enjoyed Castilla's 8 innings. Great job kid! Glad to have you

[Big Klu]

A 10-pitch eighth inning.

Woe is us.

[Wonderful Monds]

I love Luis Castilla almost as much as I like Raisel Inglesias

[JaxRed]

I love how there's a pitch-count discussion for every game with this kid. :laugh:

And there should be.

[reds44]

Schebler with an 0-5 as we inch ever closer to Winker time

[Ron Madden]

I love Luis Castilla almost as much as I like Raisel Inglesias

I Love Him More..Haha :)

[BluegrassRedleg]

I enjoyed Castilla's 8 innings. Great job kid! Glad to have you

No idea why this kid was made available to the Reds in a seemingly "blah" trade, but he certainly looks like the real deal.

[PutPeteIn]

I love Luis Castilla almost as much as I like Raisel Inglesias

Cornerstones

[Wonderful Monds]

And there should be.

At least someone is discussing it...

[_Sir_Charles_]

A 10-pitch eighth inning.

Woe is us.

Exactly. He honestly could probably finish it out but Iglesias needs some work so I like the way Price handled it.

[Ron Madden]

Peraza Walks Again!!!!

[WVRedsFan]

Peraza walks again. The end is near.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza is good now

[Big Klu]

Peraza with two walks today, and three in the last two games.

Yet another sign of the Apocalypse.

[reds44]

Two walks for Peraza! I'm shook

[Wonderful Monds]

Peraza the on base machine walks for the 4th time in the last week

[BluegrassRedleg]

Peraza 2 walks in a game. Get right with your Maker.

[Wonderful Monds]

Peraza is good now

Friendship ended with Cozart

Now Peraza is my best friend

[PutPeteIn]

Guys I have some very good news to share with you:
Moments ago, in the clubhouse Luis Castillo officially adopted me as his son!
Luis Castillo is now my Daddy!

[reds44]

Guys I have some very good news to share with you:
Moments ago, in the clubhouse Luis Castillo officially adopted me as his son!
Luis Castillo is now my Daddy!

wtf

[WVRedsFan]

wtf

Weird.

[Wonderful Monds]

Fire Price, promote Grande to manager.

[WVRedsFan]

Iglesias trying to start a rally for the Fish.

[Tom Servo]

Iglesias trying to start a rally for the Fish.

I told him to keep Castillo in!

[PutPeteIn]

Bye bye Jockitch

[Wonderful Monds]

tbh I've railed against people who've complained about Iggy being in the pen

But I think I'd give him another shot at starting next spring if I were in charge

[Ron Madden]

Damn It Man

That ball went a long way!

[WVRedsFan]

Iglesias not effective today. 6-4,

[Wonderful Monds]

Put Castillo with a fake mustache in

[TheBigLebowski]

For crying out loud...

I believe this team can indeed catch the Phils for the 1st overall pick.

[malcontent]

tbh I've railed against people who've complained about Iggy being in the pen

But I think I'd give him another shot at starting next spring if I were in charge
Castillo and Iggy would be a nice #1/#2 punch. Bailey could be a nice #5.

[Ron Madden]

REDS WIN !!!

[TheBigLebowski]

Castillo and Iggy would be a nice #1/#2 punch. Bailey could be a nice #5.

Bailey's a whole load of stinking #2 right now.

[PutPeteIn]

The National Nightmare that was the Reds six game losing streak mercifully comes to an end.

[Big Klu]

Today's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Luis Castillo, who pitched 8 innings allowing 1 run on 3 hits with 6 K's and only 1 BB, and also was 1-for-3 with an RBI bunt single on a safety squeeze.

[WVRedsFan]

Iggy now with a 1.95 ERA. Everyone has a bad day now and then

[Big Klu]

On pace for 65-97.

[Ron Madden]

"We are deeply saddened to lose the Big Bopper," said Rick Walls, executive director of the Reds Hall of Fame and Museum. "Lee May was a friend of the Hall and of everyone with whom he came in contact. Our condolences go out to Lee's family during this difficult time. We will always remember him for his contributions to the Reds, but also for his humor and genuine kindness."

http://m.reds.mlb.com/news/article/245355650/all-star-slugger-lee-may-dies/

[WVRedsFan]

"We are deeply saddened to lose the Big Bopper," said Rick Walls, executive director of the Reds Hall of Fame and Museum. "Lee May was a friend of the Hall and of everyone with whom he came in contact. Our condolences go out to Lee's family during this difficult time. We will always remember him for his contributions to the Reds, but also for his humor and genuine kindness."

http://m.reds.mlb.com/news/article/245355650/all-star-slugger-lee-may-dies/The sight of that big man will forever be etched on my mind. RIP, Big Bopper.

[GADawg]

The irony pitching matchup. Castillo versus Strailley.

I got what you meant dude