8/2/17 Reds @ Pirates

[klw]

Hamilton 8,
Winker 9,
Votto 3,
Duvall 7,
Gennett 4,
Suarez 5,
Peraza 6,
Barnhart 2,
Stephenson RHP

Some storms in the area:
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[WVRedsFan]

What site are you using for that? My app is horrible.

[klw]

What site are you using for that? My app is horrible.

Intellicast
http://www.intellicast.com/National/Radar/Current.aspx?location=USOH0245

If you right click on the animated version and open the image in a new tab, you can then copy the image address and insert into this site as a hot linked image.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds go down 1-2-3 in the first

[Wonderful Monds]

Daaamn nice diving catch by Winker

[Reds Fanatic]

What a catch by Winker!

[Tom Servo]

Winker making some nice plays on defense

[Wonderful Monds]

They're putting good swings on BobSteve

[The Operator]

Teeing off on RobSteve so far.

Thank his defense for those two catches

[TheTimeIsNow]

Have the Reds been a good defensive team all season? They've been great in the games I've seen. A lot of solid plays with some terrific ones mixed in.

[The Operator]

Crap call for strike 3 on Duval

[Tom Servo]

I like to pretend Trevor Williams is Dave Williams son.

[Ironman92]

Screw you ump. That's terrible

[Kc61]

Crap call for strike 3 on Duval

Strike one was questionable too.

[The Operator]

Another crap call to end the inning

Robot umps now please

[Kc61]

Stephenson should roll the ball up there and see if the umpire calls a strike.

Ump really likes 'em low.

[Ironman92]

Bill Mueller got the chip inserted tonight. He's being an [emoji206][emoji145]

[The Operator]

4 pitch walk to Freese

[Ironman92]

And the catch by Winker....I think only maybe Betts and Heyward.

[reds44]

Peraza hitting some real screamers lol

[Tom Servo]

Low bar but man, for all of his annoyance, George is so much better to listen to than Thom.

[The Operator]

Couple of nice plays by RobSteve on defense tonight

[Tom Servo]

Base hit for Wink

[The Operator]

1-0 good guys

[The Operator]

lol strike zone

[The Operator]

McCutcheon fell like someone shot him on that up and in pitch. A wee bit dramatic.

Then he K's

[reds44]

McCutcheon fell like someone shot him on that up and in pitch. A wee bit dramatic.

Then he K's

To be fair that nearly hit him right in the face lol

[WrongVerb]

I wish the Reds would throw more chin music like that. Just come hard up and in to disrupt the batter's comfort zone.

[The Operator]

I live in the same town as Burt Lake who George just gave a birthday shout out to

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1-2-3 go the Pirates and RobSteve has set down 9 in a row

[Tom Servo]

RobSteve looking good after those few hard hit balls and walk early on.

[reds44]

How about Robert?! Cruising

[The Operator]

To be fair that nearly hit him right in the face lol

Quiet, you!

[The Operator]

Tucker walks as Williams screams what I'm guessing was "Yuck!" After that ball four which was caught on the stadium mics

[Tom Servo]

RobSteve no

[The Operator]

Bad Robert

[The Operator]

Where the heck did that 1-2 pitch miss?

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Strike 3 on a pitch that didn't even look as good lol

Makeup call

[Roy Tucker]

Looks like Stephenson has found his fastball.

[reds44]

69 pitches for BobSteve

[The Operator]

RobSteve gets K#4 in 5 IP so far as we head to the 6th 1-0 Reds

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69 pitches for BobSteve

Congrats on the sex?

[The Operator]

Joey doubles!

[Roy Tucker]

That Votto guy can hit.

[mhs95_06]

Votto again demonstrates his baserunning acumen!

[Tom Servo]

Votto again demonstrates his baserunning acumen!
He's a bum, cut him.

[reds44]

Votto again demonstrates his baserunning acumen!

They should cut him tbh

[mhs95_06]

Where the heck did that 1-2 pitch miss?

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Strike 3 on a pitch that didn't even look as good lol

Makeup call

I don't think it was a make-up call. He called one worse for a K on Duvall and one just as bad for a K on Scooter.

[Roy Tucker]

Looks like Annie Savoy behind home plate.

[mhs95_06]

They should cut him tbh

I vote for a trade instead and move one of those 4 outfielders to 1B until Hamilton gets hurt, then play one of their 3 catchers at 1B.

[Tom Servo]

damnit Jose you'd been making progress, that wasn't good

[Wonderful Monds]

I vote for a trade instead and move one of those 4 outfielders to 1B until Hamilton gets hurt, then play one of their 3 catchers at 1B.

Well, you're wrong.

[Roy Tucker]

Peraza gets the heebie-jeebies.

[Raisor]

I vote for a trade instead and move one of those 4 outfielders to 1B until Hamilton gets hurt, then play one of their 3 catchers at 1B.

No

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Peraza gets the heebie-jeebies.

Penicillin

[Tom Servo]

Barnhart walks with the bases loaded and two outs. 2-0 Redlegs.

[mhs95_06]

Votto does end up scoring, but he sure did "clog up the bases" behind him!

[Tom Servo]

Votto does end up scoring, but he sure did "clog up the bases" behind him!
ok

[Roy Tucker]

Stephenson gets 3 straight major league heaters.

[Raisor]

Votto does end up scoring, but he sure did "clog up the bases" behind him!

My spider-sense is tingling

[Ironman92]

Lol, Votto IMO did nothing wrong to his abilities running the bases and eventually scored. I lol'd because there were 4 prior happenings while Votto was on 2nd that Billy would've scored on.

[Tadasimha]

My spider-sense is tingling

Thats the heebie-jeebies flaring up again.

[Wonderful Monds]

Votto does end up scoring, but he sure did "clog up the bases" behind him!

Shut up.

[Tom Servo]

Leadoff bunt for Marte in the 6th, RobSteve made a dive at it and came down on his right shoulder. He seems okay but they're going through the whole process complete with warmup pitches.

[Tony Cloninger]

Please no. The guy is rolling then he gets injured in another how much freaky of an injury can the Reds come up with. See Jon Moscot. Bully Hamilton. Several others.

[Ironman92]

Uh, throw out the ass hat with the air horn! Wth?

[Tadasimha]

One more, Robbo

[reds44]

Wtf? He took him out?

[Tom Servo]

Wow, I didn't see that pitching change coming. Not a horrible move just very uncharacteristic and oddly timed.

[Ironman92]

Wow, I didn't see that pitching change coming. Not a horrible move just very uncharacteristic and oddly timed.

We'll feel better or worse about it shortly. Got my fingers crossed!

[PutPeteIn]

https://youtu.be/XVSRm80WzZk

[Strikes Out Looking]

I think body snatchers were in Pittsburgh and left the Reds with Bizzaro RobSteve - and I'm ok with that.

[Tom Servo]

Lorenzen gives up a single to Josh Bell and the inherited runner scores. 2-1 game.

[reds44]

And goooooooo price

[The Operator]

Shocked that he pulled RobSteve there

[Tadasimha]

Maybe theyre seeing something in the delivery tightening up from the hard landing earlier?

[Roy Tucker]

Poo.

[BluegrassRedleg]

It's amazing how many balls Reds catchers (since Bench) lose control of.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Way to go, Lorenzen. Rockets R' Us.

[Ironman92]

There isn't a CF in baseball that could've gotten that ball home quicker than Billy did. To charge that hard, field cleanly and gather to throw that quickly AND getting a lot on it and on line.

That was a sensational non-out play.

[Roy Tucker]

More poo.

[Tom Servo]

Ugh tie game

[Tadasimha]

There goes Stephensons win

[The Operator]

Sigh... Lorenzen.

He's either lights out or he's a gas can.

[reds44]

Gooood managing!!!

[Ironman92]

Wow, I didn't see that pitching change coming. Not a horrible move just very uncharacteristic and oddly timed.

I mad now. I am NOT surprised though.

[Tony Cloninger]

And goooooooo price

So now we are going to get on him for being careful with a young pitcher and possible injury? How about get your head out of your rear Lorenzen?

[Ironman92]

It's amazing how many balls Reds catchers (since Bench) lose control of.

I have no problem with him not finishing that play. Tucker has been outstanding and that wasn't routine.

[reds44]

So now we are going to get on him for being careful with a young pitcher and possible injury? How about get your head out of your rear Lorenzen?

What? It's not like he took him out immediately. He let him face two more hitters and showed no sign of injury.

[Roy Tucker]

I think Price outthought himself there.

Occam's Razor, Bryan.

[Wonderful Monds]

Lorenzen has turned into a bummer.

[Roy Tucker]

Ben-Wa pitching.

[Tony Cloninger]

What? It's not like he took him out immediately. He let him face two more hitters and showed no sign of injury.

In the words of the Ben Stiller character from Dodgeball. Well Touché then. I'm at work. I figured he was being cautious which he is not usually.

[Norse1978]

So now we are going to get on him for being careful with a young pitcher and possible injury? How about get your head out of your rear Lorenzen?

This is true. I don't Price at all but I can't blame him on this one. The problem is Lorenzen is a bad pitcher is stats are worse then Blake Wood and Wood is treated like he's last year's version of JJ Hoover.

[Chip R]

I think Price outthought himself there.

Occam's Razor, Bryan.

And if he let Bob stay in the game and if he gives up a run or two we're killing Price for not letting him leave on a good note. Can't win either way.

[reds44]

This is true. I don't Price at all but I can't blame him on this one. The problem is Lorenzen is a bad pitcher is stats are worse then Blake Wood and Wood is treated like he's last year's version of JJ Hoover.

So you take out the guy with 82 pitchers and allowed 1 real hit to bring in a bad pitcher? Wut?

[Wonderful Monds]

Winker!!!!!!!!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Winker bomb!

[reds44]

And if he let Bob stay in the game and if he gives up a run or two we're killing Price for not letting him leave on a good note. Can't win either way.

This isn't true. As soon as he took him out I questioned it.

[Tom Servo]

Winker! :jump:

Ties his AAA HR total this year lol

[bleedsred]

No power for Winker?

[Sea Ray]

Who says this kid doesn't have power? That ball almost left the stadium.

[mhs95_06]

Gooood managing!!!

I think it was very good managing, a couple players just didn't execute(Lorenzen, Barnhart). Couldn't afford Stephenson's confidence being shattered by giving up 2 or more runs.

[Wonderful Monds]

Winker! :jump:

Ties his AAA HR total this year lol

Exhibit A the MLB ball is juiced af

[Kingspoint]

There are a million reasons why Price should not be the Manager. It really doesn't matter what he does at this point. I've had enough of him.

[reds44]

I think it was very good managing, a couple players just didn't execute(Lorenzen, Barnhart). Couldn't afford Stephenson's confidence being shattered by giving up 2 or more runs.
He had given up 1 real hit. What would lead you to believe this was going to happen?

[Norse1978]

So you take out the guy with 82 pitchers and allowed 1 real hit to bring in a bad pitcher? Wut?
I dont disagree he took to early probably. I'm saying it would be nice Lorenzen wasn't such a gas can.

[Wonderful Monds]

Winker is gonna blast em outta GABP

[RedsBrick]

[QUOTE=mhs95_06;3680945]I think it was very good managing, a couple players just didn't execute(Lorenzen, Barnhart). Couldn't afford Stephenson's confidence being shattered by giving up 2 or more runs.[/QUO

Is this sarcasm?

[Kingspoint]

Winker bomb!

Everyone does a Jaegerbomb for every Winkerbomb.

[reds44]

Somebody in the other thread brought up a good point, Price let BobSteve hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the 6th.

Who wants to continue to defend that move?

[Sea Ray]

This reminds me of when Drew Stubbs came up. He hit 3 HRs his last year in Louisville and once I saw his bat speed, I said "HRs aren't going to be a problem." Sure enough he hit 22 the next yr in Cincinnati.

Power is not going to be a problem for Jesse Winker

[Tadasimha]

Wink and nod to 2018 starting RF

[Rantly]

Winker! :jump:

Ties his AAA HR total this year lol

Funny game baseball.

[DocRed]

Lorenzen being Lorenzen....he's so overrated as a reliever in pressure situations.

[Roy Tucker]

And if he let Bob stay in the game and if he gives up a run or two we're killing Price for not letting him leave on a good note. Can't win either way.

No, we would praise Price's acumen (word of the day) and sing his hosannas. And then sign him to a lifetime contract.

[Norse1978]

Somebody in the other thread brought up a good point, Price let BobSteve hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the 6th.

Who wants to continue to defend that move?

Fire Price tomorrow that's fine with me. I'm just saying Lorenzen has been awful is my only point.

[Tony Cloninger]

Somebody in the other thread brought up a good point, Price let BobSteve hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the 6th.

Who wants to continue to defend that move?

Was that the Sun Deck game thread? Don't listen to them. They crazy.

[bleedsred]

That was me Ghost.....let him hit with 2 outs and bases full to only pull him with 2 outs and a runner on second? Think of the confidence gained if Rob got out of it....in a lost season he should have got the chance....or at least ph for him instead.

[mhs95_06]

I have no problem with him not finishing that play. Tucker has been outstanding and that wasn't routine.

I thought Tucker played that throw much better than he has a couple this year. He just didn't hold on to that great throw that was only part of the great play Billy made. The problem I have with Tucker's play on a couple other throws was playing them from in back of the plate instead of from in front of it.

[Tom Servo]

I'm willing to hear Price's reasoning, I don't know if Rob's shoulder was bugging him or what.

Either way, on the list of his offenses (and there are many) taking a guy out a batter early isn't super high up there.

[Roy Tucker]

Other game thread?

I feel like I got ditched by the cool kids.

[reds44]

I'm willing to hear Price's reasoning, I don't know if Rob's shoulder was bugging him or what.

Either way, on the list of his offenses (and there are many) taking a guy out a batter early isn't super high up there.
A batter early? If he gets Bell I would have left him in for the 7th.

[reds44]

Other game thread?

I feel like I got ditched by the cool kids.
Lol no in the fire price thread

[Kingspoint]

Somebody in the other thread brought up a good point, Price let BobSteve hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the 6th.

Who wants to continue to defend that move?

Yes. Can't have it both ways. Either Price screwed up there, or he screwed up taking him out too early.

[Tony Cloninger]

And Lorenzen screwed up the most. So there.

[mhs95_06]

He had given up 1 real hit. What would lead you to believe this was going to happen?

Only that it often does at similar spots in games. Was just trying to maintain the confidence of his player who has struggled mightily this season.

[Kingspoint]

This reminds me of when Drew Stubbs came up. He hit 3 HRs his last year in Louisville and once I saw his bat speed, I said "HRs aren't going to be a problem." Sure enough he hit 22 the next yr in Cincinnati.

Power is not going to be a problem for Jesse Winker

Thinking he had power was the worst thing that happened to Stubbs' career.

That won't be, the case for Winker, fortunately.

[mhs95_06]

[QUOTE=mhs95_06;3680945]I think it was very good managing, a couple players just didn't execute(Lorenzen, Barnhart). Couldn't afford Stephenson's confidence being shattered by giving up 2 or more runs.[/QUO

Is this sarcasm?

It was not, but my acumen comment was!

[mhs95_06]

Thinking he had power was the worst thing that happened to Stubbs' career.

That won't be, the case for Winker, fortunately.

Stubbs' problem was pitch recognition, not feeling he had power.

[Roy Tucker]

I don't remember Lorenzen having that recoil in his motion from before this season.

[Rantly]

Stubbs' problem was pitch recognition, not feeling he had power.

That season he struck out over 200 times was brutal!

[reds44]

Price is managing like it's game 7 lol

[Chip R]

Everyone's biggest complaint about Price is that he leaves his starters in too long. Now he takes him out with the tying run at the plate and people kill him for that. Why even attempt to be objective if you're going to second guess him all the time? Just wait for his next move and jump on him if it goes wrong.

[reds44]

Everyone's biggest complaint about Price is that he leaves his starters in too long. Now he takes him out with the tying run at the plate and people kill him for that. Why even attempt to be objective if you're going to second guess him all the time? Just wait for his next move and jump on him if it goes wrong.

He let Stephenson hit with the bases loaded and 2 outs in the inning before!!

Anything short of Stephenson was hurting is indefensible. Either you PH for him or you don't pull him after 3 batters and 2 outs the next inning.

[Roy Tucker]

The Bob Howsam in me prefers the cleanly shaven Jose Peraza look.

[mhs95_06]

That season he struck out over 200 times was brutal!

Because he couldn't tell the difference between a breaking ball and a fastball!

[WVRedsFan]

Kivlehan. Just as I expected.

[Rantly]

Because he couldn't tell the difference between a breaking ball and a fastball!

Yet Dusty kept running him out there at 1 or 2 in the batting order because he had speed

[Rantly]

Nice AB by Tucker, although that ball 4 looked like a strike

[Roy Tucker]

Yet Dusty kept running him out there at 1 or 2 in the batting order because he had speed

And played CF. It's the Dusty way.

[mhs95_06]

Yet Dusty kept running him out there at 1 or 2 in the batting order because he had speed

And even though he had speed, he didn't have much acumen on how to steal a base either.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Thinking he had power was the worst thing that happened to Stubbs' career.

That won't be, the case for Winker, fortunately.

I think his failure to learn the strike zone and swing accordingly was a bit worse.

[mhs95_06]

Kivlehan. Just as I expected.

He made a good bid at an opposite field RBI hit after his good fortune on the non K ball call with two strikes.

[Rantly]

And played CF. It's the Dusty way.

CF leads off dude, SS(even Valdez) bats 2nd

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And played CF. It's the Dusty way.

CF leads off dude, SS(even Valdez) bats 2nd

[mhs95_06]

x

[Mutaman]

On Gameday, Raisel made 5 great pitches to Freeze, and all five of them were in the strike zone.

[Ironman92]

STEAL

[Big Klu]

Have the Reds been a good defensive team all season? They've been great in the games I've seen. A lot of solid plays with some terrific ones mixed in.

Yes, the defense has been pretty good this year, especially the outfield defense and the left side of the infield. The catchers have done a pretty good job, too.

[Sea Ray]

That called 3rd strike to Winker was no strike. He was right to take it. If the ump calls that a strike then you have no chance

[Ironman92]

Everyone's biggest complaint about Price is that he leaves his starters in too long. Now he takes him out with the tying run at the plate and people kill him for that. Why even attempt to be objective if you're going to second guess him all the time? Just wait for his next move and jump on him if it goes wrong.

Not everyone. I rarely mind when he leaves a pitcher in unless it's just ridiculous.

[reds44]

Yes, the defense has been pretty good this year, especially the outfield defense and the left side of the infield. The catchers have down a pretty good job, too.

Think they're like 2nd in runs saved

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Yes, the defense has been pretty good this year, especially the outfield defense and the left side of the infield. The catchers have down a pretty good job, too.

Think they're like 2nd in runs saved

[Ironman92]

Steal!!!!!!!

[WVRedsFan]

Trade Duvall!!

[The Operator]

Duvall!!!!

5-2 Reds!

[reds44]

Yaboooo

[Ironman92]

I wish Billy had mhs95_06 acumen

[Tom Servo]

Duvall! :jump:

[WVRedsFan]

Technical difficulties, just like RedsZone

[The Operator]

Duvall broke the FSO video feed

[Mutaman]

So much for Felipe's o.99 ERA

[Big Klu]

Rivero chews up left-handed hitters. (Winker and Votto)

Right-handers, not so much. (Hamilton and Duvall)

[Ironman92]

I'm giving Billy 32% credit and Duvall 68%

[TheTimeIsNow]

Felipe Rivero hadn't given up a run since June 27th and he hasn't given up 2 runs in an outing all season.

Enter Cincinnati.

[Ron Gant]

Whoops, sorry guys I tripped over the cord. Plugged it back in. It's all good now.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm giving Billy 32% credit and Duvall 68%Hey Teach. Does that mean they both get F's?

[PutPeteIn]

The Louisville Slugger is power surging....

That's like 4 homers in 7 games.

[RedsBrick]

I'm giving Billy 32% credit and Duvall 68%

And you would be right to do so.

[The Operator]

Whoops, sorry guys I tripped over the cord. Plugged it back in. It's all good now.

Rookie mistake

[Roy Tucker]

Welch called that one.

[TheTimeIsNow]

The Pirates are 0-8 against the Reds and Giants at PNC Park this season.

[WVRedsFan]

Am I the only one freezing up here?

[Mutaman]

Felipe Rivero hadn't given up a run since June 27th and he hasn't given up 2 runs in an outing all season.

Enter Cincinnati.

Right - I was wrong: 0.99 is is ERA after the HR.

[reds44]

I'm giving Billy 32% credit and Duvall 68%

31/69 IMO

[Ironman92]

Hey Teach. Does that mean they both get F's?

No Cutch lover [emoji41]

[RedTeamGo!]

Nice

[Rantly]

Welch called that one.

He certainly did.

[Ironman92]

Am I the only one freezing up here?

Maybe get a sweater

[Ironman92]

Welch called that one.

Bob won 27 that one year

[WVRedsFan]

No Cutch lover [emoji41]You have me mistaken for my brother in law :)

[The Operator]

Iggy y u walk the dude who is 0 for his last 34

[WVRedsFan]

In their winning streak, this was a pattern--9th inning runs.

[PutPeteIn]

Reds now 8-1 v Pirates

We own Pittsburgh.

Buccos are the Reds lil play toy.

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....

[Tom Servo]

We're still good! :beerme:

[Roy Tucker]

Too bad Stephenson didn't get the W. He deserved it.

[WVRedsFan]

Don't we have a lot of games with these guys?

[Chip R]

Whoops, sorry guys I tripped over the cord. Plugged it back in. It's all good now.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-KsREVnvFFV8/T998EdT8M0I/AAAAAAAABKE/F3uXV0wdRrw/s1600/Airplane+Jonny+Plug.JPG

[The Operator]

Lorenzen getting the W tonight is just another nail in the coffin of W-L records meaning jack squat for a pitcher.

A vulture win if there ever was one.

[Big Klu]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Jesse Winker, who was 2-for-5 with a tie-breaking solo HR in the seventh inning, and 2 runs scored.

[The Operator]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Jesse Winker, who was 2-for-5 with a tie-breaking solo HR in the seventh inning, and 2 runs scored.

I'm Hal Morris and I approve of this message. :p

[Big Klu]

Hal Morris approves :p

Hal won a few Montgomery Inn gift certificates in his time with the Reds. ;)

[The Operator]

Hal won a few Montgomery Inn gift certificates in his time with the Reds. ;)

Loved Hal. One of my favorites growing up.

[WVRedsFan]

Hal won a few Montgomery Inn gift certificates in his time with the Reds. ;)I always figured the players never used them. I would have!

[PutPeteIn]

Last time Reds won 3 straight?
June 5th-8th when they won 4 in a row.

Nearly 2 months ago.

[WVRedsFan]

They used to give Honey Baked Hams. Rumor was one player waited until he saw Joe leave and give it to a fan.

[Sea Ray]

Lorenzen getting the W tonight is just another nail in the coffin of W-L records meaning jack squat for a pitcher.

A vulture win if there ever was one.

Particularly with relief pitchers

[Sea Ray]

I always figured the players never used them. I would have!

I recall them giving out Honey Baked Hams back in those days

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They used to give Honey Baked Hams. Rumor was one player waited until he saw Joe leave and give it to a fan.

I'm a couple hrs late...

[kaldaniels]

I called Lorenzen mediocre the other day and took some heat for it. I don't see how at this juncture it can be argued any other way.

[cumberlandreds]

Don't we have a lot of games with these guys?

Ten more games with them. That's good for the Reds. It may keep them at just about the 90 loss mark for the season. It's bad for people wanting to see them get the number two pick again next season.

Its amazing how much better you look when you throw strikes. If Stephenson can do that consistently he will probably be just fine as a starter. Let's hope he can find that constistency.
Winker is looking good. I can see him batting in front of Votto for the forseeable future. They could make one whale of an OBP tandem at the front of the lineup.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 67-95.

[CaiGuy]

I honestly dislike Price, but can't fault him for taking BobSteve out when he did.

The AB with the bases loaded came before he crashed into his shoulder, and he probably took him out as a precaution, which is defensible. Who knows what small thing they picked up on in his delivery that indicated that he was pitching with some soreness or something.

Doesn't change the fact that he is a loser and a dumby though...

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Also, I think I am over Lorenzen. He just gets hit way to hard.

[Tom Servo]

Also, I think I am over Lorenzen. He just gets hit way to hard.
I think people are getting too down on him. Relievers slump like all other players, it's just more obvious for relief pitcher given how little they play comparatively. There's definitely stuff he needs to improve on, but he still possess above average talent.

[CaiGuy]

I think people are getting too down on him. Relievers slump like all other players, it's just more obvious for relief pitcher given how little they play comparatively. There's definitely stuff he needs to improve on, but he still possess above average talent.

Sure...mainly speaking to the calls to move him to the rotation. He has decent stuff, but he isn't exactly knocking the door down in his current role.