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cumberlandreds
08-09-2017, 01:42 PM
A Sunday special in the middle of week. How great is that! Wojo must feel privileged.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGzhQ6OW0AA_gMO.jpg

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 02:20 PM
Too bad Ervin was optioned back. This could be the day he gets to play.

klw
08-09-2017, 04:42 PM
I assume the Padres are starting a LHP and the lineup is being stacked accordingly.


Edit: I see it is the Reds' old friend Travis Wood taking the mound for San Diego tonight.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 05:34 PM
I would probably prefer it if Peraza and Kivlehan were flip-flopped in the order.

But it's a minor quibble, really.

Chip R
08-09-2017, 06:11 PM
A Sunday special? But it's only Wednesday.

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 07:06 PM
Would really love to see the REDS find a dependable Starter for next season in Woj. They desperately need a "dependable" Starter,...someone who can start 30-35 games with a WHIP of 1.215 or less.

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 07:08 PM
I would probably prefer it if Peraza and Kivlehan were flip-flopped in the order.

But it's a minor quibble, really.

It's all about Woj.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 07:15 PM
Joe Morgan sounds good.

The Reds have two good analysts when it comes to talking about pitching, in Chris Welsh and Jeff Brantley. But it is refreshing to have an analyst who can break down hitting like Joe Morgan.

Joey Blotto
08-09-2017, 07:16 PM
Would really love to see the REDS find a dependable Starter for next season in Woj. They desperately need a "dependable" Starter,...someone who can start 30-35 games with a WHIP of 1.215 or less.

Well that's... oddly precise

Chip R
08-09-2017, 07:19 PM
Joe Morgan sounds good.

The Reds have two good analysts when it comes to talking about pitching, in Chris Welsh and Jeff Brantley. But it is refreshing to have an analyst who can break down hitting like Joe Morgan.

Whatever you may think of Joe as an announcer, him being there means less of Thom.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 07:23 PM
THom says that Kivlehan is making his 19th start of the season.

In the top of the first, he said that none of the trio of Kivlehan, Alcantara, and Turner had made more than 12 starts all season.

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 07:26 PM
Wait...isn't 1-4 also 0-3? So 1-4, 1-4, 1-4 would be worse than 0-2, 0-2, 0-2.

And RBIs are important but they're a team stat, not an individual stat. Gotta have someone on base (like Joey getting on at 70% clip during his hottest streaks), to drive them in.

Norse1978
08-09-2017, 07:27 PM
THom says that Kivlehan is making his 19th start of the season.

In the top of the first, he said that none of the trio of Kivlehan, Alcantara, and Turner had made more than 12 starts all season.

I noticed that too ha

CaiGuy
08-09-2017, 07:27 PM
Joe Morgan sounds good.

The Reds have two good analysts when it comes to talking about pitching, in Chris Welsh and Jeff Brantley. But it is refreshing to have an analyst who can break down hitting like Joe Morgan.

No disrespect for Joe the hitter, but I am not a huge fan of Joe the analyst.

He's been ironically deriding walks (They keep you from getting your 4 AB's!) and now he is pumping up RBI's as a key stat. Which has always been his MO.

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 07:29 PM
I think a better way to put it is this: RBIs are a measure, not a goal of a hitter.

Raisor
08-09-2017, 07:30 PM
I think a better way to put it is this: RBIs are a measure, not a goal of a hitter.

Not a measure either.

It's a byproduct

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 07:31 PM
Not a measure either.

It's a byproduct

Yes. Byproduct. That's a better term. Thank you.

BTW, thought I was dead to you. :p

Norse1978
08-09-2017, 07:31 PM
There is really no real stat that's a true measure for a hitter

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 07:32 PM
There is really no real stat that's a true measure for a hitter

I've been told that wRC+ is probably the best.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 07:32 PM
No disrespect for Joe the hitter, but I am not a huge fan of Joe the analyst.

He's been ironically deriding walks (They keep you from getting your 4 AB's!) and now he is pumping up RBI's as a key stat. Which has always been his MO.

Not how I interpreted it. I thought he was saying that it is difficult to maintain a long hitting streak when you walk a lot, because some of your plate appearances end in a BB and you don't really get a chance to swing for a hit. I didn't infer that he thought that was a bad idea, but just how rare it is for someone like Votto to maintain a high average while walking at the same time.

Raisor
08-09-2017, 07:33 PM
Yes. Byproduct. That's a better term. Thank you.

BTW, thought I was dead to you. :p

You're a zombie, stallion

CaiGuy
08-09-2017, 07:34 PM
Not how I interpreted it. I thought he was saying that it is difficult to maintain a long hitting streak when you walk a lot, because some of your plate appearances end in a BB and you don't really get a chance to swing for a hit. I didn't infer that he thought that was a bad idea, but just how rare it is for someone like Votto to maintain a high average while walking at the same time.

Could be...I'd still trade Thom for him anytime!

Norse1978
08-09-2017, 07:35 PM
I've been told that wRC+ is probably the best.
I'm sure it is. I'm definitely not defending rbis it's a very flawed stat.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 07:35 PM
Nice solid single by Peraza on a 3-2 pitch.

CaiGuy
08-09-2017, 07:36 PM
Peraza finally showing some life this year!

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and that's RARE with capital letters....a RARE start.

Joey Blotto
08-09-2017, 07:39 PM
I think a better way to put it is this: RBIs are a measure, not a goal of a hitter.

I feel like the reverse would be more accurate.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 07:40 PM
No THom, Jim Day is safe. If we throw out anyone to make room for Joe Morgan, rest assured it will be you.

mhs95_06
08-09-2017, 07:41 PM
No disrespect for Joe the hitter, but I am not a huge fan of Joe the analyst.

He's been ironically deriding walks (They keep you from getting your 4 AB's!) and now he is pumping up RBI's as a key stat. Which has always been his MO.

I think he was saying that a lot of really good hitters do not have long hitting streaks(not deriding them but stating why) because they don't have as many ABs because they properly take their walks . Not that hitting streaks are important, but maybe on base streaks are better indicators of hitting prowess than hitting streaks.

Norse1978
08-09-2017, 07:43 PM
No THom, Jim Day is safe. If we throw out anyone to make room for Joe Morgan, rest assured it will be you.

Amen Jim Day is great compared to Thom

Tom Servo
08-09-2017, 07:46 PM
I'm at the White Sox game. Go Reds, go Wojo, and go Votto.

CaiGuy
08-09-2017, 07:51 PM
As if this moment, Votto leads the MLB in OPS.

Wish this team around him was better.

redhawkfish
08-09-2017, 07:53 PM
I'm at the White Sox game. Go Reds, go Wojo, and go Votto.

Nice! My daughter and I are going to be there when they play the Royals Sunday afternoon after watching the Reds play in Milwaukee Friday and Saturday evenings.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 07:54 PM
I'm at the White Sox game. Go Reds, go Wojo, and go Votto.

I had a very enjoyable time at a Reds vs. White Sox game in Chicago back in 1998. Reds won, 7-5. Pokey Reese hit a 3-run HR late in the game (8th or 9th inning).

The fans were very friendly (surprisingly so).

klw
08-09-2017, 07:54 PM
I think a better way to put it is this: RBIs are a measure, not a goal of a hitter.

Actually isn't that backwards. Driving in runs is what hitters want to do, their goal, but they have no control over whether there are runners on base or if they get pitched to which makes it not a good way to measure a hitter.

klw
08-09-2017, 07:57 PM
RE the conversion of Bham to outfield discussion. Cmon guys ask Joe if there was ever talk of moving him to the OF.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 07:58 PM
Wojo thru 3 IP now on 36 pitches. It could all come crashing down but I really like what I'm seeing from him in this latest go around.

It doesn't seem like he's doing it with mirrors ala Adleman earlier on.

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 07:59 PM
Well that's... oddly precise

It is. Asking for 1.200 is asking for too much. Allowing for 1.225 has too many baserunners. I really like to see a prospective Starter throwing in the 1.2-teens or less at the Major League level. For a Reliever, I want them around 1.175 or less.

redhawkfish
08-09-2017, 07:59 PM
I had a very enjoyable time at a Reds vs. White Sox game in Chicago back in 1998. Reds won, 7-5. Pokey Reese hit a 3-run HR late in the game (8th or 9th inning).

The fans were very friendly (surprisingly so).

I have never had trouble with Chicago fans in in Chicago, but the idiots that show up in Cincy are a different story.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:00 PM
RE the conversion of Bham to outfield discussion. Cmon guys ask Joe if there was ever talk of moving him to the OF.

In 1967-69, the Astros played Morgan 13 games in LF and 2 games in CF.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:02 PM
I have never had trouble with Chicago fans in in Chicago, but the idiots that show up in Cincy are a different story.

I had always heard people complain about New Comiskey Park, but I thought it was a nice park (though somewhat bland). Also, I had great seats (about 15-20 rows behind home plate).

The Operator
08-09-2017, 08:03 PM
How does FSO always manage to catch F bombs on the air? Geez lol

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 08:04 PM
No disrespect for Joe the hitter, but I am not a huge fan of Joe the analyst.

He's been ironically deriding walks (They keep you from getting your 4 AB's!) and now he is pumping up RBI's as a key stat. Which has always been his MO.

He comes from one of the Top-10, if not Top-5, all-time lineups in the history of baseball where one of it's most revered hitters had a moniker of being consistent in producing 90+ RBI's every single season in Tony Perez. The RBI is a very respected statistic and measure of performance in his mind, the mind of one of the greatest players to ever wear a Major League uniform.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 08:05 PM
Geno!

4-0!!!

ThatPitchIsDunn
08-09-2017, 08:05 PM
Duvall has as many doubles through 110 games as he did all of last year. He's really impressed me with his plate approach this season.

redhawkfish
08-09-2017, 08:05 PM
How does FSO always manage to catch F bombs on the air? Geez lol

Isn't that what the "F" means in FSO?

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 08:06 PM
Suarez!!

klw
08-09-2017, 08:06 PM
Q for the rules folks:

how is that leg lift movement/twitch of Wood's not a balk?

The Operator
08-09-2017, 08:06 PM
Isn't that what the "F" means in FSO?

Putting the "F" back in Fox :p

CaiGuy
08-09-2017, 08:08 PM
Peraza's OBP is going through the roof these last couple of days!

klw
08-09-2017, 08:08 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/QuFlQcgVnF93q/giphy.gif

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:10 PM
Q for the rules folks:

how is that leg lift movement/twitch of Wood's not a balk?

I see it, and I think it's a balk. But evidently it's because it's part of his regular motion, I guess.

WrongVerb
08-09-2017, 08:11 PM
Joe's "guys have more time" means that their brain physiology is such that the signals move faster than the average persons. Which means they can pick up the spin, make the physical adjustments, and take a solid swing. Guys who are below average (relative to major league hitters) for that are rushing, but it's because they have to. Not because they don't realize they have more time.

klw
08-09-2017, 08:12 PM
I see it, and I think it's a balk. But evidently it's because it's part of his regular motion, I guess.

I figured this was the answer. it is okay to "balk" as long as you do it on every pitch so that it is not deception.

CaiGuy
08-09-2017, 08:12 PM
He comes from one of the Top-10, if not Top-5, all-time lineups in the history of baseball where one of it's most revered hitters had a moniker of being consistent in producing 90+ RBI's every single season in Tony Perez. The RBI is a very respected statistic and measure of performance in his mind, the mind of one of the greatest players to ever wear a Major League uniform.

It's not meant as a slight to Joe the player or the BRM.

We all should know by now that RBI's are a very poor way to measure an individual performer. You're point illustrates that, Perez was a great hitter who benefited from a great lineup with guys that got on base at elite levels, including Morgan. Thus, the consistent RBI totals.

But as others pointed out to me, that wasn't necessarily the point of his statements earlier in the game.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:12 PM
Joe is only doing three innings tonight?

kaldaniels
08-09-2017, 08:15 PM
Joe Morgan sounds good.

The Reds have two good analysts when it comes to talking about pitching, in Chris Welsh and Jeff Brantley. But it is refreshing to have an analyst who can break down hitting like Joe Morgan.

Not watching but have they addressed Joe's health? I've been worried about him. There was a period there where he wasn't making any public appearances. Great to see he's back.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:18 PM
Not watching but have they addressed Joe's health? I've been worried about him. There was a period there where he wasn't making any public appearances. Great to see he's back.

No, they made no comment about it. But he looked and sounded good. A bit more frail than he used to be, but his voice sounded strong.

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 08:27 PM
Is that Asher's first career hit?

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It's not meant as a slight to Joe the player or the BRM.

We all should know by now that RBI's are a very poor way to measure an individual performer. You're point illustrates that, Perez was a great hitter who benefited from a great lineup with guys that got on base at elite levels, including Morgan. Thus, the consistent RBI totals.

But as others pointed out to me, that wasn't necessarily the point of his statements earlier in the game.

What was the point of his statements. I don't get to see the broadcast.

WVRedsFan
08-09-2017, 08:35 PM
Not watching but have they addressed Joe's health? I've been worried about him. There was a period there where he wasn't making any public appearances. Great to see he's back.At the end, Thom said he was feeling like the old Joe again.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:37 PM
Is that Asher's first career hit?

Yes

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What was the point of his statements. I don't get to see the broadcast.


I think he was saying that a lot of really good hitters do not have long hitting streaks(not deriding them but stating why) because they don't have as many ABs because they properly take their walks . Not that hitting streaks are important, but maybe on base streaks are better indicators of hitting prowess than hitting streaks.

RedTeamGo!
08-09-2017, 08:42 PM
Just put the kid to bed.

Where Wink at?

WVRedsFan
08-09-2017, 08:45 PM
Kivlehan HR on Monday did what many said it would--get Kiv in the starting lineup and put Jesse on the bench

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:45 PM
Just put the kid to bed.

Where Wink at?

Not starting tonight. Right-handed heavy lineup vs. Padres lefty (and former Red) Travis Wood.

BluegrassRedleg
08-09-2017, 08:50 PM
STU-BOMB

redhawkfish
08-09-2017, 08:52 PM
Wow! Wood put that one on a tee for Turner!

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 08:53 PM
http://i.imgur.com/tUjuXCG.gif

redsfan1995
08-09-2017, 08:53 PM
Take that Thom.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 09:05 PM
It hurts MY knees to watch Mack Jenkins run.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:05 PM
Ugh now it's 6-3

Wojo is runnin out of gas

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:07 PM
A double and that's all for Wojo.

The wheels fell off pretty quickly but I think this was a great start from Wojo.

It's not surprising he lost his stuff so quickly since this is only his second start since coming back up.

BluegrassRedleg
08-09-2017, 09:08 PM
Hate that the kid couldn't finish that inning off. He pitched well tonight.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:10 PM
God I hope Good Lorenzen showed up tonight.

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He get the final out of the inning at least.

6-3 after 5.5

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 09:15 PM
Asher had a 1.212 WHIP today, even with the rough 6th inning.

Great job!

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:18 PM
82nd RBI for Joey on the run scoring groundout.

7-3

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:20 PM
Duvall singles

The DARK
08-09-2017, 09:21 PM
That rare moment where you allow an RBI and your season ERA actually goes down...

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 09:21 PM
RBI-Machine Votto gets another one.

In spite of what most people think about them, Homeruns and RBI's get MVPand ROY votes. Getting on base the most isn't going to generate votes.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:23 PM
Peraza!

8-3 on another base hit

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:27 PM
I like that The Reds have roughed up Carter "The balking cheater" Capps up twice now.

paintmered
08-09-2017, 09:39 PM
McGrath has a ridiculously over-the-top throwing motion.

RED VAN HOT
08-09-2017, 09:39 PM
Turner should get full time work at AAA next year if Rocco is still with the Reds. It will probably be 2019 before it is clear whether giving him a roster spot this season was worth it. One of the more interesting strategies this year.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:40 PM
McGrath has a ridiculously over-the-top throwing motion.

Looks both awkward and painful.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 09:44 PM
McGrath has a ridiculously over-the-top throwing motion.

I was thinking, "Chris Welsh", and then they showed footage comparing them.

kaldaniels
08-09-2017, 09:48 PM
I like that The Reds have roughed up Carter "The balking cheater" Capps up twice now.

MLB has really put the brakes on his hop. It's nothing like what it once was. Let him blow his arm out for one extra perceived mph.

kaldaniels
08-09-2017, 09:51 PM
Bruce to the Indians.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 09:52 PM
Bruce to the Indians.

Interesting.

The Operator
08-09-2017, 09:55 PM
Jay Bruce to The Indians per Thom

WVRedsFan
08-09-2017, 10:07 PM
Jay Bruce to The Indians per Thom

Gotta hope the change of scenery allow Jay to reach his full potential.

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Jay Bruce to The Indians per Thom

Gotta hope the change of scenery allow Jay to reach his full potential.

WVRedsFan
08-09-2017, 10:08 PM
What is it bout RZ that strange things happen at the end of games? Timeouts, double posts, and shutdowns?

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 10:11 PM
What is it bout RZ that strange things happen at the end of games? Timeouts, double posts, and shutdowns?

Right around 10:00 p.m.

You can almost set your watch to it.

WVRedsFan
08-09-2017, 10:12 PM
Right around 10:00 p.m.

You can almost set your watch to it.Wonder if Boss knows about this?

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 10:13 PM
Reds win, 8-3.

On pace for 67-95.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 10:14 PM
Wonder if Boss knows about this?

I don't know. I would assume so.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 10:16 PM
Wonder if Boss knows about this?

I don't know. I would assume so.

Big Klu
08-09-2017, 10:18 PM
Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Stuart Turner, who was 1-for-4 and hit a 2-run HR for his first major-league home run.

Henry Clay
08-09-2017, 10:19 PM
When I saw the lineup for this game, I did not expect this outcome. It's great to see the team win with the bench players contributing.

Kingspoint
08-09-2017, 11:29 PM
Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Stuart Turner, who was 1-for-4 and hit a 2-run HR for his first major-league home run.

Bad choice. Should have been Woj. Pitched great and had his first major league hit.

Big Klu
08-10-2017, 12:40 AM
Bad choice. Should have been Woj. Pitched great and had his first major league hit.

I strongly considered him, and normally would have selected him, though I would say he pitched decently but not great. (His last inning of work knocked him down a letter grade.) 5⅔ innings allowing 3 runs is not great. If he had finished 6 innings and allowed only 1 run (or maybe 2), he probably gets it.

But I think Nux would have gone against his natural bias toward pitchers and picked Turner, who has had a very difficult season through no fault of his own, and was able to contribute to the win tonight. Also, I think Nux would figure that Turner might not have another opportunity to be selected the rest of the year. (Wojo has been picked a couple of times already.) It would give Stu a rare opportunity to be interviewed, and it would also give the fans an opportunity to get to know him.

Nuxy was sentimental that way.

WrongVerb
08-10-2017, 01:46 AM
I miss Joe Nuxhall

cumberlandreds
08-10-2017, 07:23 AM
Joe Morgan sounds good.

The Reds have two good analysts when it comes to talking about pitching, in Chris Welsh and Jeff Brantley. But it is refreshing to have an analyst who can break down hitting like Joe Morgan.

It was good to see and hear Morgan. The last time I saw him he appeared to be in very poor health. Sounded much better last night.