2017 Indianapolis Colts

[Kingspoint]

Time to start this thread. It's going to be a knock-down, drag-out fight for the AFC South this season.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts GM Chris Ballard told NFL Network's Tom Pelissero that it's still to be determined if Andrew Luck (shoulder) will be ready for Week 1.

We believe this is the first time someone from the Colts' organization has openly admitted that Luck may not be ready for Week 1. To this point, all anyone has said is that Luck "remains without a timetable" and "he'll be out there when he's ready." They've been extremely vague. Although Ballard said Luck's availability for Week 1 may be in question, Ballard said reserve/PUP is not an option. The Colts can beat the Rams in the opener with Scott Tolzien.

Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts C Ryan Kelly (leg) was "spotted on crutches" following Thursday's practice.

The Colts were mum on Kelly's status, though he was able to finish a drill after initially getting hurt. The team could be waiting for test results before making a statement.

Source: Mike Chappell on Twitter

[redsfanmia]

Regardless how the Colts do this year they are in great hands with Ballard.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

CBS 4's Mike Chappell reports Colts C Ryan Kelly will be out a "few weeks" with a foot injury.

A "few weeks" might be the best possible outcome after Kelly was sporting crutches following Thursday's practice. It would be good to have a firmer timeline, but it sounds like he will be back for Week 1. With basically nothing behind him on the depth chart, the Colts need Kelly to stay healthy.

Source: Mike Chappell on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

It's never good to lose your Center.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Colts will likely place C Ryan Kelly (foot surgery) on injured reserve with the intent to designate him as one of their return players.

The center will have surgery to repair a "bone defect" on Friday. The recovery timeline was originally given as 6-8 weeks, but putting Kelly on injured reserve would force him to sit out until at least Week 9. With Kelly looking likely to miss half the season, the Colts will almost certainly attempt to bring in outside help. They met with Jeremy Zuttah this week.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

[redsfanmia]

It's never good to lose your Center.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport reports the Colts will likely place C Ryan Kelly (foot surgery) on injured reserve with the intent to designate him as one of their return players.

The center will have surgery to repair a "bone defect" on Friday. The recovery timeline was originally given as 6-8 weeks, but putting Kelly on injured reserve would force him to sit out until at least Week 9. With Kelly looking likely to miss half the season, the Colts will almost certainly attempt to bring in outside help. They met with Jeremy Zuttah this week.

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter
Looks like a long year for our beloved men of the horseshoe, which long term could be the best thing for the franchise. Another year for a young line to gel and a set of higher draft picks for Ballard to restock the cupboard and Ballard bringing in his coach and letting Chuck go.

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-reportedly-looking-to-trade-away-former-first-round-pick-phillip-dorsett/

[Sea Ray]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/colts-reportedly-looking-to-trade-away-former-first-round-pick-phillip-dorsett/


"Right now. You can have him if you want him," Lombardi said.

Wow. That is pretty bold coming from a GM. Can't imagine Mike Brown ever making such a pronouncement. Can't imagine that does much for the player's value either.

[Revering4Blue]

Wow. That is pretty bold coming from a GM. Can't imagine Mike Brown ever making such a pronouncement. Can't imagine that does much for the player's value either.


According to former NFL general manager Michael Lombardi, the Colts are looking to trade Dorsett and Indy's phone lines are wide open should any team want to call and inquire about the former first-round pick.

"[Dorsett's] available in trade if somebody's willing to talk to them about it," Lombardi said during an interview on "The Rich Eisen Show."

Lombardi is merely an NFL "insider."

Chris Ballard, current Colts GM never (at least publicly) stated such, but I totally agree that it would be insanely idiotic for a current GM to do so.

[Kingspoint]

Dallas made Indy look as bad as KC made Cincy look, except Dalton actually moved the ball some, as opposed to Tolzien. Couple more weeks to work things out. Dallas' O-Line and McFadden are very impressive. Prescott is in mid-season form.

[bucksfan2]

Dallas made Indy look as bad as KC made Cincy look, except Dalton actually moved the ball some, as opposed to Tolzien. Couple more weeks to work things out. Dallas' O-Line and McFadden are very impressive. Prescott is in mid-season form.

No player is in mid-season form right now. It actually scares me a little bit if a player looks "too good." The preseason should be about getting reps in, getting as close to football ready as possible, letting the last 10 men battle it out for a roster spot while getting tape other teams can see, and hoping no one is lost for the season. If a team opens up the playbook and starts calling "un-vanilla" plays that isn't really the best thing to do.

[Kingspoint]

Bengals don't have to worry about looking too good. Their first team Offense has yet to score a TD, while their Defense didn't even show up the first two games.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts activated C Brian Schwenke (ankle) from the active/PUP list.

With starting C Ryan Kelly (foot) expected to miss regular-season action, Schwenke's arrival is a welcomed sight. Although he's merely an average pivot, he gives the Colts experience at the position while Kelly is out.


This should help. I'd love to get "average" play from the Center position for the Bengals. It'd be a welcome change. I'd trade Bodine for Schwenke in a heartbeat. I have serious doubts of Alexander's ability to teach anyone how to play Center in the NFL, at least the NFL that has existed in this Century.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts coach Chuck Pagano compared rookie Marlon Mack to Jamaal Charles.

"He's a slasher, athletic, good vision. Whether he’s carrying the ball, catching it, protecting on third down, he's got the size and toughness to pick up guys, he’s real talented. Reminds you of Jamaal Charles." Mack is fully healthy after missing the preseason opener with a hamstring injury. His debut was one of the only bright spots for the Colts last week, rushing for 45 yards on five carries. Mack is going to open the season behind Frank Gore, but has potential to play into a starting role.

Source: 1070 The Fan


The sooner they can move on from Gore, the better. This is a welcome sign.

[Assembly Hall]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts coach Chuck Pagano compared rookie Marlon Mack to Jamaal Charles.

"He's a slasher, athletic, good vision. Whether he’s carrying the ball, catching it, protecting on third down, he's got the size and toughness to pick up guys, he’s real talented. Reminds you of Jamaal Charles." Mack is fully healthy after missing the preseason opener with a hamstring injury. His debut was one of the only bright spots for the Colts last week, rushing for 45 yards on five carries. Mack is going to open the season behind Frank Gore, but has potential to play into a starting role.

Source: 1070 The Fan


The sooner they can move on from Gore, the better. This is a welcome sign.

The kid is getting rave reviews from my neck of the woods. Maybe the Colts landed somebody special?

[redsfanmia]

The kid is getting rave reviews from my neck of the woods. Maybe the Colts landed somebody special?
He's a rolling ball of butcher knives.

[dubc47834]

Can't wait for Thursday's game. I will be on field pregame holding the flag. Should be a good time and hopefully get to meet a few players!!!

[redsfanmia]

Can't wait for Thursday's game. I will be on field pregame holding the flag. Should be a good time and hopefully get to meet a few players!!!

I'm going, will be in row 2 right by where you will come out with the flag

[dubc47834]

I'm going, will be in row 2 right by where you will come out with the flag

Nice...this is only my 2nd Colts game. Last one was a great time. I'm getting free tickets, so hopefully the seats will be half way decent as well. If not, at least being on the field will be pretty cool. Never been down on field level for a football game!!!

[Kingspoint]

Good luck! You guys have fun. Enjoy the food, too.

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From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Speaking Monday, Colts coach Chuck Pagano was cryptic on Andrew Luck's (shoulder) status.

"We're moving forward with the guys we have and the guys who are practicing," Pagano said in his finest coachspeak. "I’m not a bookie, I’m not an oddsmaker, but I’m not allowed to put numbers (on it)," Pagano said of Luck's odds of suiting up in Week 1. The preponderance of evidence suggests Luck will not be ready for the opener, and perhaps many weeks after. If you're taking the mid-round plunge on Luck, you need to find a late-round piggyback.

Source: Zak Keefer on Twitter

[dubc47834]

Good luck! You guys have fun. Enjoy the food, too.

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From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Speaking Monday, Colts coach Chuck Pagano was cryptic on Andrew Luck's (shoulder) status.

"We're moving forward with the guys we have and the guys who are practicing," Pagano said in his finest coachspeak. "I’m not a bookie, I’m not an oddsmaker, but I’m not allowed to put numbers (on it)," Pagano said of Luck's odds of suiting up in Week 1. The preponderance of evidence suggests Luck will not be ready for the opener, and perhaps many weeks after. If you're taking the mid-round plunge on Luck, you need to find a late-round piggyback.

Source: Zak Keefer on Twitter

Thanks man!

The story on Luck sucks. I think they should play it safe and hold him back until he is 100%. I know that's going to be tough for Pagano with him being on the hot seat this year!!!

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Vontae Davis (groin) will miss "multiple games."

Coach Chuck Pagano termed Davis' injury "significant," but nevertheless called him "week to week" while admitting he would miss more than one game. It's a crushing, crushing blow for a team entering Week 1 with massive question marks, injury or otherwise, on both sides of the ball. Davis has a history of lower-body injuries, so it's possible he ends up missing more time than expected. The Colts' cornerback depth chart is now led by former UDFA Rashaan Melvin and rookies Quincy Wilson and Nate Hairston.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

[dubc47834]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Vontae Davis (groin) will miss "multiple games."

Coach Chuck Pagano termed Davis' injury "significant," but nevertheless called him "week to week" while admitting he would miss more than one game. It's a crushing, crushing blow for a team entering Week 1 with massive question marks, injury or otherwise, on both sides of the ball. Davis has a history of lower-body injuries, so it's possible he ends up missing more time than expected. The Colts' cornerback depth chart is now led by former UDFA Rashaan Melvin and rookies Quincy Wilson and Nate Hairston.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

Davis is a very good CB, he's just injured way too much for my liking!!!

[redsfanmia]

Davis is a very good CB, he's just injured way too much for my liking!!!

Is he very good? I can't remember one big time play he made to win a game, hell I can't remember one play he has made, maybe that has more to do with the other side being terrible and they just don't throw his way.

[dubc47834]

Is he very good? I can't remember one big time play he made to win a game, hell I can't remember one play he has made, maybe that has more to do with the other side being terrible and they just don't throw his way.

I think so...he isn't Revis in his prime, but he is aggressive and is a good cover corner. He does get called for quite a few penalties, but I think that is expected for someone who is aggressive. Hopefully he can stay healthy(doubtful) or the new guys step it up!!!

[mth123]

Davis might have been the only above average player on the entire defense. It's going to be a long, looong, loooong year.

[Kingspoint]

I'm looking forward to what Henry Anderson can do, two years removed from his injury.

[dubc47834]

Heard this morning that Luck might miss up to 4 games...from Adam Schefter!

[Kingspoint]

Pagano post-game...

How valuable is it to have Schwenke and Deyshawn Bond healthy and playing tonight?

“Y'know, it’s good because we’ve got a bunch of decisions to make in the next 24 to 48 hours. We know Ryan’s (Kelly) out for a little bit. Deyshawn’s done a nice job so it’s good to have Schwenke back in there and he’s got some position flexibility. We know he can play center and we know he can play guard. He’s played both. So we’ll take a look at him and make the evaluation.”

Brian Schwenke got a lot of action today. You haven’t seen the film, but how do you think he looked?

“We were able to put seven points on the board – we didn’t do much. A little bit in the second half, moved it a little bit. We made a nice play – a great throw by Phillip (Walker) to (Justice) Liggins. It got us on the board; it got us a win. We’ve got to wait and see what the tape looks like but we didn’t move the ball very well. I know we got outrushed almost 100 yards to 15 or 16 in the first half. There was some protection issues. I don’t know if he was involved in those or not but we’ll look at the tape and then see how he did.”

[Sea Ray]

Heard this morning that Luck might miss up to 4 games...from Adam Schefter!

I'm surprised they didn't PUP him

[dubc47834]

Overall last night was a fun night. I was on the field for the flag ceremony. The Captains for the Bengals came over and shook all of our hands, which I thought was super cool. Also, the Colts mascot gave a few of us a tour of the underneath of the stadium. Then we went and watched a pretty boring game. Don't know what it looked like on TV, but live it was terrible. We left right after half time. Overall it was a really cool experience!!!

[dubc47834]

I'm surprised they didn't PUP him

I guess it's because he shouldn't miss the 6 games that he would have if they PUP'd him.

[Kingspoint]

I'm surprised they didn't PUP him

His ability, like Kelly's, to practice would be delayed.

[Donder]

My coworker went to the game last night and was really confused by the RB Richardson with the long dreads. [emoji1]

[redsfanmia]

I'm surprised they didn't PUP him

If they PUP him he cant practice while on PUp so it makes total sense.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts acquired QB Jacoby Brissett from the Patriots in exchange for WR Phillip Dorsett.

The Colts are cutting their losses and the Patriots are bolstering their depth. Despite his 5-foot-10, 185-pound frame, Dorsett has not been a slot man in the NFL, but his availability on the outside will make it easier for the Pats to stick Chris Hogan in the middle. Dorsett has been close to a complete bust in the NFL, but had a decent preseason with the Colts' woeful quarterbacks, catching five passes for 75 yards. He's averaged 14.8 yards per catch as an NFLer. He bolsters the Pats' depth and provides a big-play element. He won't have immediate re-draft value.

Brissett lit up the Giants in the final preseason game, completing 28-of-39 passes for 341 yards and five total touchdowns. That was apparently enough to convince Indy he is a better option than Scott Tolzien, but there is almost no chance Brissett is ready to start Week 1. This move suggests the Colts think Andrew Luck could miss a significant chunk of the season. It also hints the Patriots plan to keep Jimmy Garoppolo after this season.

Source: Field Yates on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts claimed RB Matt Jones off waivers from the Redskins.

A former third-round pick, Jones quickly washed out in Washington due to ball-security issues. Plenty of backs in the past have corrected those problems, and Jones averaged a respectable 4.6 YPC on 99 carries last season before getting sent to Siberia by coach Jay Gruden. He'll get a fresh start in Indy where the Colts are looking for their successor to Frank Gore. Jones is a hulking 6'2/239 at 24 years old. He has two years left on his rookie deal.

[Revering4Blue]

I agree with both weekend transactions, but I also 100% agree with this article, as I'm not a Tolzein fan at all.

Colts Released the Wrong Quarterback When They Waived Stephen Morris

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjw3vfjgo3WAhUCyoMKHUhVAaIQFggrMAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.stampedeblue.com%2F2017%2F9% 2F3%2F16250120%2Fcolts-released-the-wrong-quarterback-when-they-waived-stephen-morris&usg=AFQjCNFjcZ6WfAaN8DLsSmHJgSeaKgQ6jg

[Kingspoint]

It's just like Carolna keeping Anderson over Webb. "He knows the Offense." So what. He sucks at it.

[Sea Ray]

I guess it's because he shouldn't miss the 6 games that he would have if they PUP'd him.

Yeah, that's what they're banking on. They don't want to commit themselves to losing him for 6 games. Time will tell if that was the right call or not.

[Assembly Hall]

Can someone please tell me when the college basketball season starts? I have seen enough of the Colts.

[Tom Servo]

I'm not even a Colts fan but this is painful.

[redsfanmia]

I lived thru the first 15 years of the Co,to in Indy and this may be the worst effort I have seen.

[redsfanmia]

On a positive note...Sanchez is a good punter/kick off specialist, Marlin Mack is good, the D Line is much improved and listening to Hockey Bob Lamey during a bad season is gold.

[Assembly Hall]

On a positive note...Sanchez is a good punter/kick off specialist, Marlin Mack is good, the D Line is much improved and listening to Hockey Bob Lamey during a bad season is gold.

Positive note? LOL I think you mean the #1 overall draft pick next spring?

[Kingspoint]

Just keep saying,..."We have Andrew Luck. We have Andrew Luck."

A positive note:

From PFF:

DI AL WOODS, 80.3 OVERALL GRADE

It may have been a lopsided affair, but the Colts actually did a good job shutting down the Rams running game. At the heart of that was Woods, who was a nuisance all afternoon, doing a good job clogging up A gaps on inside runs while impressing in getting across the face of linemen when the Rams stretched it out. In a defense seemingly always in rebuild mode, perhaps Indianapolis has found someone to stick around.

They didn't mention this, but it was against C John Sullivan, who was playing pretty well himself. Sullivan single-handedly pushed Todd Gurley and the pile into the endzone for a TD on one play. LT Whitworth was good, of couse, while RT Rob Havenstein had a good game, too, with a grade of 81.4 from PFF, and RG Jamon Brown, who was miserable and the weakest link all preseason, had a grade of 80.8. So, for Woods to get the grade that he did, was an accomplishment. Gurley also ran hard, something he couldn't do last season because first contact was usually behind the LOS. The Tackles kept newly acquired Jabal Sheard from recording even one hit, sack or hurry, while he had just one tackle overall to go with one missed tackle. Bad debut for Sheard.

[Revering4Blue]

Positive note? LOL I think you mean the #1 overall draft pick next spring?

Given the following news, that seems more likely than a Playoff appearance.

Andrew Luck will miss several more weeks

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/andrew-luck-will-miss-several-more-weeks--482117.html

The Andrew Luck situation, unfortunately, mirrors Bill Walton's San Diego Clipper "playing" days: They have him and they don't have him.

Unfortunately, as well, the Colts' contingency plans for Luck have mirrored the Reds contingency plans for Homer Bailey, and we are where we are.

I like Ballard and the trade for Jacoby Brissett is (finally) a step in the right direction as far as a contingency plan, but the decision to waive Morris (who clearly outplayed Tolzein) was/is indefensible. Brissett should start next week, regardless, but who knows with Pagano at the helm.

[Assembly Hall]

Given the following news, that seems more likely than a Playoff appearance.

Andrew Luck will miss several more weeks

http://www.prosportsdaily.com/articles/andrew-luck-will-miss-several-more-weeks--482117.html

The Andrew Luck situation, unfortunately, mirrors Bill Walton's San Diego Clipper "playing" days: They have him and they don't have him.

Unfortunately, as well, the Colts' contingency plans for Luck have mirrored the Reds contingency plans for Homer Bailey, and we are where we are.

I like Ballard and the trade for Jacoby Brissett is (finally) a step in the right direction as far as a contingency plan, but the decision to waive Morris (who clearly outplayed Tolzein) was/is indefensible. Brissett should start next week, regardless, but who knows with Pagano at the helm.

Good takes Rev. BTW what is the Vegas line for what week Chuck will be fired? LOL

[redsfanmia]

Positive note? LOL I think you mean the #1 overall draft pick next spring?

In all seriousness this wouldn't break my heart, either draft the best defensive player or trade for multiple picks if someone wants a quarterback.

[redsfanmia]

Good takes Rev. BTW what is the Vegas line for what week Chuck will be fired? LOL

Chuck isn't going anywhere anytime soon, I say he last the season and is fired on black Monday.

[Assembly Hall]

Chuck isn't going anywhere anytime soon, I say he last the season and is fired on black Monday.

In my book today is Black Monday!!!!!!

[Griffey012]

The whole debacle ever since Manning went down with the neck injury, to the hiring of Grigson who was awful and waiting forever to fire him, to hanging onto Pagano, to having no backup plan when you know Luck is hurt. Is really starting to wear on me as a fan. I am losing my interest in the Colts. Pretty hard to root for a team that is totally incompetent in pretty much every area. I do like what Ballard has done so far though.

[CySeymour]

The whole debacle ever since Manning went down with the neck injury, to the hiring of Grigson who was awful and waiting forever to fire him, to hanging onto Pagano, to having no backup plan when you know Luck is hurt. Is really starting to wear on me as a fan. I am losing my interest in the Colts. Pretty hard to root for a team that is totally incompetent in pretty much every area. I do like what Ballard has done so far though.

There really is no defense for not coming up with a decent backup QB over the summer.

[dubc47834]

Realizing the source...I was watching Cowherd and he was saying that he has heard that Luck growing more and more frustrated with the organization. Mainly because of the roster. I could see this being true, but I think with the kind of guy that Luck is, you won't hear him come out publically and say it. Although, I think it might help if he did!

[redsfanmia]

Realizing the source...I was watching Cowherd and he was saying that he has heard that Luck growing more and more frustrated with the organization. Mainly because of the roster. I could see this being true, but I think with the kind of guy that Luck is, you won't hear him come out publically and say it. Although, I think it might help if he did!

I get it if Luck is frustrated, it's become pretty apparent that Irsay needs someone to run the football team, I.E. Manning.

Ballard will be fine it's just going to take some time, no way Pagano survives after this year, doubt he would have survived after Ballard was hired had it no been so late and basically all the coaching staffs had already been filled.

[Assembly Hall]

I am getting frustrated as well.

[Kingspoint]

Here's where Brissett should attack:

From PFF:

LB CHRISTIAN KIRKSEY, 23.1 OVERALL, LB JAMIE COLLINS, 38.7 OVERALL AND LB JOE SCHOBERT, 40.7 OVERALL

While the Browns secondary actually played fairly solid, and their defensive line was up and down, it was the inside linebacker trio of Kirksey, Collins and Schobert that really struggled for the Browns in this game. Flacco picked on them nearly exclusively in the pass game, working his receiver and tight end matchups any chance he could against them. The three combined to allow 17 catches on 17 targets for 159 yards and a touchdown. They each missed a tackle and really struggled to escape blocks at the second level in the run game. None of them finished with a run defense grade above 40.0 on the game.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworldcomments:

Colts RCB Vontae Davis (groin) remained limited at Wednesday's practice.

Davis returned to practice late last week. He's ahead of schedule in his recovery and has a chance to make his season debut after missing the first three games. Davis would be a huge upgrade to a Colts secondary that's allowed the third most pass yards in the league.

Source: Cleveland Browns on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Great TD run by Hilton.

Still no progress by Luck, but Brissett has looked pretty good.

[redsfanmia]

Great TD run by Hilton.

Still no progress by Luck, but Brissett has looked pretty good.
Luck is supposed to start practicing this week and could play week 5-6.

[Kingspoint]

CB Vontae Davis practiced in full today, a Wednesday, which anyone knicked usually gets a Limited tag. So, Davis must be fully healthy.

With Doug Baldwin sitting out today and tomorrow to try get his groin healed, I would keep Vontae on one side of the field instead of shadowing Baldwin.

[redsfanmia]

CB Vontae Davis practiced in full today, a Wednesday, which anyone knicked usually gets a Limited tag. So, Davis must be fully healthy.

With Doug Baldwin sitting out today and tomorrow to try get his groin healed, I would keep Vontae on one side of the field instead of shadowing Baldwin.
Rashaan Melvin has been one of the top corners every week according to Profootball focus so no need to move Davis around to shadow a top receiver. I think Davis may be in his last year with Colts with the emergence of Melvin and the solid play of rookie Wilson, Davis is fine but the best ability is availability and he's seemingly always dinged.

[Kingspoint]

Rashaan Melvin has been one of the top corners every week according to Profootball focus so no need to move Davis around to shadow a top receiver. I think Davis may be in his last year with Colts with the emergence of Melvin and the solid play of rookie Wilson, Davis is fine but the best ability is availability and he's seemingly always dinged.

Well, with that kind of Cornerback play, they have the ability to keep them in games until Luck gets back.

[bucksfan2]

Well, with that kind of Cornerback play, they have the ability to keep them in games until Luck gets back.

Which is beginning to look farther and farther off into the future. If Luck plays by week 10 I would be impressed by now. They expect him back in practice this week or next, he still needs to build up shoulder strength.

[redsfanmia]

Which is beginning to look farther and farther off into the future. If Luck plays by week 10 I would be impressed by now. They expect him back in practice this week or next, he still needs to build up shoulder strength.

I'm actually not upset, let Luck get healthy and let Briaset play well and build trade value.

[Kingspoint]

Vontae Davis has been stellar the last three games giving up only 8/76/0 over that time.

[Kingspoint]

Vontae Davis has been stellar the last three games giving up only 8/76/0 over that time.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Colts are receiving "inquiries" on CB Vontae Davis ahead of Tuesday's trade deadline.

Per Schefter, the Colts have spoken with "at least two teams" about a potential swap. Once considered a true shutdown corner, the 29-year-old now looks well past his prime, earning PFF's No. 77 grade out of 109 qualifiers at cornerback this year. The former first-rounder's contract expires at the end of 2017.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter



That "77" ranking is misleading. He missed the first three games. His first game back was bad 5/107/0 (going by memory here, but that's almost exactly what he gave up). If PFF does their rankings like the used to before making them "exclusive" to NCAA Coaches and NFL teams, then your ranking can be distorted based on negative volume or positive volume. I have a hard time believing that his last three games were graded in the lower third/quarter among all qualified CB's. If I had a subscription like I used to have, I could filter just the last three weeks.

Either way, a lot of teams could use him...the Eagles, Cowboys, Patriots, Raiders, just to name a few.

[Assembly Hall]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Colts are receiving "inquiries" on CB Vontae Davis ahead of Tuesday's trade deadline.

Per Schefter, the Colts have spoken with "at least two teams" about a potential swap. Once considered a true shutdown corner, the 29-year-old now looks well past his prime, earning PFF's No. 77 grade out of 109 qualifiers at cornerback this year. The former first-rounder's contract expires at the end of 2017.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter



That "77" ranking is misleading. He missed the first three games. His first game back was bad 5/107/0 (going by memory here, but that's almost exactly what he gave up). If PFF does their rankings like the used to before making them "exclusive" to NCAA Coaches and NFL teams, then your ranking can be distorted based on negative volume or positive volume. I have a hard time believing that his last three games were graded in the lower third/quarter among all qualified CB's. If I had a subscription like I used to have, I could filter just the last three weeks.

Either way, a lot of teams could use him...the Eagles, Cowboys, Patriots, Raiders, just to name a few.

Any rumors as to what the Colts would be getting in return?

[Kingspoint]

Any rumors as to what the Colts would be getting in return?

I would think he would bring a 5th or 6th.

[Revering4Blue]

No point at all in bringing Luck back this year, even with the remote chance he's actually healthy.

It was unrealistic to expect Ballard to fix this mess in one year, anyway.

[Assembly Hall]

No point at all in bringing Luck back this year, even with the remote chance he's actually healthy.

It was unrealistic to expect Ballard to fix this mess in one year, anyway.

I say tank!!!!!!!!!!!!

[redsfanmia]

No point at all in bringing Luck back this year, even with the remote chance he's actually healthy.

It was unrealistic to expect Ballard to fix this mess in one year, anyway.
I think you need to play Luck if he is healthy enough just so you don’t have to go all off season answering the Luck question, I’m starting to wonder if he is coming back not when.

[Assembly Hall]

I think you need to play Luck if he is healthy enough just so you don’t have to go all off season answering the Luck question, I’m starting to wonder if he is coming back not when.

Good point.

[Revering4Blue]

I say tank!!!!!!!!!!!!

They can just trot Tolzein out there to achieve that "goal."

All kidding aside, it's a lost season..let's face it. What we witnessed today -- spirited effort and falling just short -- is very likely what we'll see the rest of the season.

What I DON"T want to see is a disaster like last week's game against the Jags week after week, even if the result is the top pick.

[Revering4Blue]

I think you need to play Luck if he is healthy enough just so you don’t have to go all off season answering the Luck question, I’m starting to wonder if he is coming back not when.

Then send him out there for a quarter in the season finale. It's not worth him getting re-injured in a lost season. If they're not sure that they can count on Luck by opening day '18, then, sadly, the franchise should realistically operate long-term under the pretense that he's unavailable.

Honestly, this franchise, more or less, mirrors the Reds:

- Both have wasted prime years from their franchise players.

- Both waited too long to implement crucial organizational strategies: Beginning a rebuild (Reds) and (Colts) holding on to both a GM and HC too long.

Should this team begin to tank, the comparison will have come full circle.

[Sea Ray]

I think you need to play Luck if he is healthy enough just so you don’t have to go all off season answering the Luck question, I’m starting to wonder if he is coming back not when.

The Colts have to figure out if he'll ever be Andrew Luck again. Shoulders are dangerous animals for QBs. If he comes back as a noodle arm then he's just another NFL QB. In which case the Colts might want one of the top guys in this year's draft

[Assembly Hall]

The Colts have to figure out if he'll ever be Andrew Luck again. Shoulders are dangerous animals for QBs. If he comes back as a noodle arm then he's just another NFL QB. In which case the Colts might want one of the top guys in this year's draft

I say if Luck will never be Luck again, then stick with the guy that is in place right now. Use the draft to pick up other pieces.

[JaxRed]

As a Jags fan who has watched the Colts a couple times recently......Brissett strikes me as "just a guy".

[Sea Ray]

I say if Luck will never be Luck again, then stick with the guy that is in place right now. Use the draft to pick up other pieces.

As things are going, the Colts might be in a position to pick up a top QB in this year's QB rich draft. Are you saying that they ought to pass on drafting one of them?

[Revering4Blue]

As things are going, the Colts might be in a position to pick up a top QB in this year's QB rich draft. Are you saying that they ought to pass on drafting one of them?

If, by chance, the Colts' brass determines by draft day that Luck is no longer, well, Luck, then yes, I'd aim higher than Brissett (even though I believe that he has a lot of potential and is tailor made for the type of offenses that the Mariottas and Watsons are running -- in short, traditional dropback passers will become scarce).

Be that as it may, this is projected to be such a deep draft for QBs. So, IMHO, should they garner a top 5 pick in this draft, they should trade down and acquire multiple picks and look for a QB. The problem, even with a healthy Luck or a QB that the franchise should be comfortable with moving forward, is that this team is still loaded with holes, which, as I mentioned earlier, will take time for Ballard to fully address, though I'm happy with what he's done so far.

[Sea Ray]

If, by chance, the Colts' brass determines by draft day that Luck is no longer, well, Luck, then yes, I'd aim higher than Brissett (even though I believe that he has a lot of potential and is tailor made for the type of offenses that the Mariottas and Watsons are running -- in short, traditional dropback passers will become scarce).

Be that as it may, this is projected to be such a deep draft for QBs. So, IMHO, should they garner a top 5 pick in this draft, they should trade down and acquire multiple picks and look for a QB. The problem, even with a healthy Luck or a QB that the franchise should be comfortable with moving forward, is that this team is still loaded with holes, which, as I mentioned earlier, will take time for Ballard to fully address, though I'm happy with what he's done so far.

This is the strategy used by the Browns and they've passed on the likes of Deshawn Watson and Carson Wentz to draft a guy like Deshone Kizer. QB isn't one of the positions where you pass up tenderloin and try to make a go with London broil. If you do this then you're banking on getting a steal like Russell Wilson later in the draft. That's much more of a crap shoot.

[Assembly Hall]

For all I know Luck could be right on track. It is already a lost season. It will be interesting come draft day.

[Sea Ray]

For all I know Luck could be right on track. It is already a lost season. It will be interesting come draft day.

On schedule? He had shoulder surgery at the end of last season to treat an issue that lingered from 2015. The Colts expected him back early this year as shown by their reluctance to PUP him. I criticized that at the time here and I was told that they didn't do that 'cause they wanted him practicing long before 6 wks. In short his shoulder hasn't been right in over 2 yrs. He's not on track for anything other than another "procedure" on his shoulder.

[Assembly Hall]

On schedule? He had shoulder surgery at the end of last season to treat an issue that lingered from 2015. The Colts expected him back early this year as shown by their reluctance to PUP him. I criticized that at the time here and I was told that they didn't do that 'cause they wanted him practicing long before 6 wks. In short his shoulder hasn't been right in over 2 yrs. He's not on track for anything other than another "procedure" on his shoulder.

I hear what you are saying and don't disagree. But something is up with what the Colts are doing. If draft day comes and they select a QB, then we will know.

[Sea Ray]

Do I get a cookie or something for my prognostication skills when they announce that he's going under the knife again and he's out for the rest of the year?

[redsfanmia]

Maybe it’s just me but the issues with Luck sound eirily familiar to the issues of Reds pitchers, makes me think it’s possible Doc Hollywood did the operation. I think Luck will be fine, this isn’t a Greg Cook situation, atleast I hope.

[Revering4Blue]

This is the strategy used by the Browns and they've passed on the likes of Deshawn Watson and Carson Wentz to draft a guy like Deshone Kizer. QB isn't one of the positions where you pass up tenderloin and try to make a go with London broil. If you do this then you're banking on getting a steal like Russell Wilson later in the draft. That's much more of a crap shoot.

No particular QB in this upcoming draft (as of now) stands out to me as THE guy, and trading down (and I should've been more clear with this) shouldn't preclude the Colts from taking a QB with their first round pick in this scenario.

Cleveland, IMHO, did the right thing by taking Garrett 1st, and if you're going to argue that the Browns should have packaged their late 1st rounders to move up and draft Watson (who has a higher ceiling than Kizer), it's hard to disagree. Then again, given Hue Jackson's bizarre handling of Kizer and the opinion of yours truly that Jackson isn't near the offensive mind of O'Brien, there's no guarantee that Watson develops in Cleveland, just as there's no guarantee ANY Qb will succeed with this current turnstile of an OL in Indy.

[Sea Ray]

No particular QB in this upcoming draft (as of now) stands out to me as THE guy, and trading down (and I should've been more clear with this) shouldn't preclude the Colts from taking a QB with their first round pick in this scenario.

Cleveland, IMHO, did the right thing by taking Garrett 1st, and if you're going yo argue that the Browns should have packaged their late 1st rounders to move up and draft Watson (who has a higher ceiling than Kizer), it's hard to disagree. Then again, given Hue Jackson's bizarre handling of Kizer and the opinion of yours truly that Jackson isn't near the offensive mind of O'Brien, there's no guarantee that Watson develops in Cleveland, just as there's no guarantee ANY Qb will succeed with this current turnstile of an OL in Indy.

The Browns did not need to do any trades in order to draft Deshawn Watson. They owned the 12th pick on draft day. They then proceeded to trade it to Houston because they didn't want Watson. That's boneheaded.

[Assembly Hall]

Not to change the subject, but I will!!!!! Who is gonna be the next Colts HC?

[Revering4Blue]

The Browns did not need to do any trades in order to draft Deshawn Watson. They owned the 12th pick on draft day. They then proceeded to trade it to Houston because they didn't want Watson. That's boneheaded.

Thanks.

Forgot about that. It was/is boneheaded.

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Not to change the subject, but I will!!!!! Who is gonna be the next Colts HC?

Josh McDaniels.

[redsfanmia]

Not to change the subject, but I will!!!!! Who is gonna be the next Colts HC?

Dave Toub

[Chip R]

For all I know Luck could be right on track. It is already a lost season. It will be interesting come draft day.

If I were him, I'd take a redshirt season. Why go out there and get killed every week? Just to prove you're tough?

[dubc47834]

The Browns did not need to do any trades in order to draft Deshawn Watson. They owned the 12th pick on draft day. They then proceeded to trade it to Houston because they didn't want Watson. That's boneheaded.

It's only boneheaded in hindsight. If they didn't have Watson as a franchise QB why not trade the pick!

[Sea Ray]

It's only boneheaded in hindsight. If they didn't have Watson as a franchise QB why not trade the pick!

That's the thing. They didn't properly assess Watson's talent. Since they didn't think he was a franchise QB, they traded the pick. The problem with Cleveland is that they're not doing a good job evaluating talent.

Having said all that, the Bengals passed on Watson too. I would have liked to have drafted him and have him sit for a yr or two under Andy but the Bengals don't do it that way.

[redsfanmia]

Let’s hope Andrew Luck has given up snowboarding...allegedly.

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[Kingspoint]

That's the thing. They didn't properly assess Watson's talent. Since they didn't think he was a franchise QB, they traded the pick. The problem with Cleveland is that they're not doing a good job evaluating talent.

Having said all that, the Bengals passed on Watson too. I would have liked to have drafted him and have him sit for a yr or two under Andy but the Bengals don't do it that way.
But neither did we. We need him as much as Cleveland does.

[Sea Ray]

But neither did we. We need him as much as Cleveland does.

I would have loved to have him but no, we don't need him like Cleveland does. No team needs a QB like Cleveland does

[Assembly Hall]

Dave Toub

Interesting thought.

[Assembly Hall]

Rumors out there that the Eagles are interested in acquiring Frank Gore.

[Revering4Blue]

Per Profootballrumors.com

The Colts are open for business as the trade deadline approaches. The Colts have received calls on Donte Moncrief and they are listening, according to Tom Pelissero of NFL.com (on Twitter). Donte Moncrief (vertical)

The Andrew Luck-less Colts sank to 2-6 on Sunday with their 24-23 loss to the Bengals. It’s no surprise that they’re open to trading name players given their current position. Cornerback Vontae Davis, wide receiver T.Y. Hilton, running back Frank Gore, and offensive tackle Anthony Castonzo have also been mentioned in trade rumors. Teams that find the asking price for Hilton to be too rich may view Moncrief as a less thrilling yet less costly alternative.


Andrew Luck will not practice this week, Chuck Pagano said. This marks three straight weeks the previously progressing passer has been shelved because of the setback he encountered.

And the Colts are operating accordingly, Aaron Wilson of the Houston Chronicle tweets, noting the team is working out Connor Shaw, Matt McGloin, Matt Barkley and Josh Johnson on Tuesday.

Luck will see multiple specialists for further evaluation on his troublesome throwing shoulder, and it’s possible he could redshirt this season. The Colts have Scott Tolzien as a Jacoby Brissett backup but could be looking for a third quarterback in case they end up placing Luck on IR.

[dubc47834]

That's the thing. They didn't properly assess Watson's talent. Since they didn't think he was a franchise QB, they traded the pick. The problem with Cleveland is that they're not doing a good job evaluating talent.

Having said all that, the Bengals passed on Watson too. I would have liked to have drafted him and have him sit for a yr or two under Andy but the Bengals don't do it that way.

No...I get it. The Browns talent evaluators suck, but in this instance, passing on Watson isn't a total oversight. If I recall correctly, many people thought he could go as high as the Top 5, or drop as low as the top of the 2nd round. Many people questioned the Texans taking this guy. So it wasn't like they passed on Andrew Luck at #1

[Sea Ray]

No...I get it. The Browns talent evaluators suck, but in this instance, passing on Watson isn't a total oversight. If I recall correctly, many people thought he could go as high as the Top 5, or drop as low as the top of the 2nd round. Many people questioned the Texans taking this guy. So it wasn't like they passed on Andrew Luck at #1

OK, it wasn't as egregious as passing on Luck at #1 but that point is so extreme as to be worthless. Watson had many fans including his college coach who know looks to be a clairvoyant. Whoever thought Watson wasn't worthy of a 1st rd pick are idiots too. But the difference is they didn't need a QB as badly as Cleveland did.

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Any idea of what the Cots want for Hilton? If I'm the Browns I sure consider giving them one of my nice draft picks for him.

[dubc47834]

OK, it wasn't as egregious as passing on Luck at #1 but that point is so extreme as to be worthless. Watson had many fans including his college coach who know looks to be a clairvoyant. Whoever thought Watson wasn't worthy of a 1st rd pick are idiots too. But the difference is they didn't need a QB as badly as Cleveland did.

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Any idea of what the Cots want for Hilton? If I'm the Browns I sure consider giving them one of my nice draft picks for him.

I'm sure they are asking for the world. Just guessing, I would ask for a 2nd & 4th, or 3rd & 5th. I doubt the Browns would be asking about Hilton tho.

I think the guy I would ask about would be Moncrief tho!!!

[Assembly Hall]

Well, once again Indy scratched and clawed. The Shoes just might not finish in the cellar??????

[JaxRed]

Well, once again Indy scratched and clawed. The Shoes just might not finish in the cellar??????

Was rooting for them to hold on. As an outside neutral observer........ might as well hope they lose. It's going to be a lost year. Evaluate some guys, and get a good draft pick. Not much difference between 5-10 and 7-9.

[redsfanmia]

Well, once again Indy scratched and clawed. The Shoes just might not finish in the cellar??????

That is a bad Texans Team

[Sea Ray]

That is a bad Texans Team

Maybe now it is but it wasn't with Watson and JJ Watt

[redsfanmia]

Maybe now it is but it wasn't with Watson and JJ Watt
And the Colts were better with Luck, what’s your point?

[Sea Ray]

And the Colts were better with Luck, what’s your point?

Maybe I'm just envious that when my team played the Texans they had Watson and Watt. Whatever

[Assembly Hall]

Yes, it is.

[redsfanmia]

Maybe now it is but it wasn't with Watson and JJ Watt

I have never been impressed with Watt, he has never done anything of note while playing the Colts, I’m sure He dominates every other team.

[redsfanmia]

With rumors of Luck having a botched surgery and never playing again and the owner basically saying that it’s all in his head the Colts are officially a mess. I seriously wonder if Doc Hollywood did his surgery, Lucks rehab seems eerily familiar to that of many Reds pitchers.

[Sea Ray]

With rumors of Luck having a botched surgery and never playing again and the owner basically saying that it’s all in his head the Colts are officially a mess. I seriously wonder if Doc Hollywood did his surgery, Lucks rehab seems eerily familiar to that of many Reds pitchers.

My guess is minutes after his surgery his doctors said it was a success...

[Assembly Hall]

With rumors of Luck having a botched surgery and never playing again and the owner basically saying that it’s all in his head the Colts are officially a mess. I seriously wonder if Doc Hollywood did his surgery, Lucks rehab seems eerily familiar to that of many Reds pitchers.

http://www.nonpareilonline.com/sports/wire/colts-andrew-luck-goes-on-injured-reserve/article_9fd05b0f-a8b0-5d6e-908b-966da2a6816b.html

[Sea Ray]

http://www.nonpareilonline.com/sports/wire/colts-andrew-luck-goes-on-injured-reserve/article_9fd05b0f-a8b0-5d6e-908b-966da2a6816b.html

Interesting:


For now, throwing is out and there are no plans for additional surgery.

Reminds me of Dilson Herrera

[Assembly Hall]

To be honest my gut says Luck is done.

[Sea Ray]

To be honest my gut says Luck is done.

I think they'll be looking real closely for a QB in this year's draft

[Assembly Hall]

I think they'll be looking real closely for a QB in this year's draft

If they do, we will know what the organization's thoughts are.

[redsfanmia]

To be honest my gut says Luck is done.

Nah, he should be fine, just needs time.

[JaxRed]

Colts need him to be 100% ready or 100% out....paying a huge salary for next to nothing will kill them. (like this year)

[Assembly Hall]

Who do the Colts shoot for in the draft?

[dubc47834]

Who do the Colts shoot for in the draft?

O-Line and defensive end with all picks, surely they hit one at least 1 good one...LOL!!!

[redsfanmia]

There are so many holes on this roster I think they should draft the highest rated player they have on the board regardless of position, other than QB IF Luck is ok.

[JaxRed]

I heard part of a story about another surgery to move some tendons in Lucks arm. They acted like it was no big deal. If I was Colts fan I'd be a little more concerned.

[dubc47834]

I heard part of a story about another surgery to move some tendons in Lucks arm. They acted like it was no big deal. If I was Colts fan I'd be a little more concerned.

Most definately. The story I saw was that when he comes back from Europe next week he will throw, if there is still pain, then that surgery becomes an option. Luck is optimistic the surgery won't be needed, but at this point who knows. 3-6 months would be the timetable tho. If it happens it would be in January. Could be ready by training camp

[Revering4Blue]

Who do the Colts shoot for in the draft?

Either S. Barkley or Bradley Chubb.

Or trade down, as no OL are worth taking at #3.

[Revering4Blue]

More important for Colts at No. 3: Pass-rusher or running back?

http://www.espn.com/blog/indianapolis-colts/post/_/id/22632/which-is-more-important-for-colts-at-no-3-pass-rusher-or-running-back

I'll gladly take either one.

[texasdave]

Say goodbye to Brian Schottenheimer. He's heading out to Seattle.

[Sea Ray]

Say goodbye to Brian Schottenheimer. He's heading out to Seattle.

Seattle fans are not thrilled. What say you, Indy fans?

[Revering4Blue]

Seattle fans are not thrilled. What say you, Indy fans?

It's going to be interesting in Seattle, as Schottenheimer has never been a proponent of the West Coast Offense that ousted OC Bevell ran. He was a good QB coach here, but I'm not sure he would have been elevated to OC if the HC job, as expected, goes to Josh McDaniels. Rumors are rampant that Raiders QB coach Peetz will be McDaniels OC, but everything is far from certain.

[Kingspoint]

Not breaking news or nothing, but...

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts hired Josh McDaniels as head coach.

This was fully expected despite some pre-Super Bowl chatter McDaniels considered staying in New England. McDaniels failed in his first head-coaching stint in Denver, but he has rehabbed his value coordinating under Bill Belichick the last six years. With the Colts, McDaniels must improve an offensive line that has annually struggled to protect Andrew Luck, who is coming off a year in the injury wilderness. McDaniels is inheriting one of the worst defenses in the league. He is believed to be targeting Darrell Bevell as his offensive coordinator.

[Tom Servo]

McDaniels has spurned the Colts, per Adam Schefter.

[KoryMac5]

Wow what a turn of events for the Colts...Kraft comes to McDaniels at the 25th hr and offers him more cash and he backs out of his deal with the Colts. I can't see McDaniels ever getting hired any place other then NE after this move.

[Kingspoint]

Wow what a turn of events for the Colts...Kraft comes to McDaniels at the 25th hr and offers him more cash and he backs out of his deal with the Colts. I can't see McDaniels ever getting hired any place other then NE after this move.

Yes. Colts' fans, be thankful.

This is the guy who thought Tebow was a good Quarterback.

[Donder]

Good riddance. I don’t really follow the NFL any longer but living in east central Indiana you can’t really get away from Colts talk. I’ve never had a favorable opinion of McDaniels. I think he’s showing his true colors here. I mean, they really couldn’t have figured this out before it was reported as a done deal this afternoon?

[redsfanmia]

What a jerk store, he was offering coaches jobs this afternoon.

[KoryMac5]

What a jerk store, he was offering coaches jobs this afternoon.

Two of them accepted and were breaking down film while waiting for him. The Colts have stated they will honor their contracts and keep them on staff. Crazy that you lure 2 guys to another job only to back out at the last moments. Talk about poor professionalism and ethics.

[15fan]

Too bad the 2018 Colts-Patriots game is @ NE.

[Sea Ray]

Good riddance. I don’t really follow the NFL any longer but living in east central Indiana you can’t really get away from Colts talk. I’ve never had a favorable opinion of McDaniels. I think he’s showing his true colors here. I mean, they really couldn’t have figured this out before it was reported as a done deal this afternoon?

I seriously think that the Patriots said that Belichick is on his way out and he's next in line to take over.

[Kingspoint]

I seriously think that the Patriots said that Belichick is on his way out and he's next in line to take over.

Brady probably leaves, too.

[blumj]

Wait, did McDaniels watch the Two Bills 30 for 30 realize Irsay was kind of like the Jets owner, and write I resign as HC of IND on a napkin?

[dubc47834]

Jack Del Rio?

[puca]

It's unfortunate that things went down the way they did. The next Indy coach will be saddled with some assistant coaches they did not choose and the assistant coaches may not be given the type of responsibility they were promised. McDaniel better hope that Kraft is more a man of his word than he himself is.

[dubc47834]

This was career suicide if he wasn't promised the Pats job once Bill retires, and soon. If I'm McDaniels, I would want at least a couple years with Brady. I think some kind of timeline was discussed. For him to bring on assistants with Indy and have a press conference planned then to only say your not coming is completely stupid. This screws the Colts, everyone they interviewed has been hired. I haven't seen a list of names yet, but as I posted earlier, I would see if Del Rio would be interested. If he would come and fix the defense and Luck turns out fine, Indy would be set. This whole thing just makes me HATE the Pats even more!!!!!!!

[Donder]

“For now, the reality is the Colts have no coach, a quarterback whose health is unknown, and a front office who thought hiring Josh McDaniels was a good idea. The Colts will wake up Wednesday morning a mess and a punch line, but it could have been so much worse.
They could have woken up Thursday with Josh McDaniels as coach.”

Gregg Doyel’s scathing take on McDaniels
https://t.co/m20TzSMkJH

[redsfandan]

This is interesting. It would be pretty cool, and ironic as heck, if Reich got the job and ended up being a good head coach for the Colts.

Frank Reich - C - Eagles

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Colts are expected to put in an interview request for Eagles OC Frank Reich regarding their head-coaching vacancy.

When all is said and done, the Colts could actually benefit from Josh McDaniels backing out on them. McDaniels has proven to be a total failure outside of New England in stops with the Broncos and Rams, and it's anybody's guess if he's actually any good. Reich, 56, got his coaching start in Indy in 2008, spending four years there with Peyton Manning. He's never been a head coach, but is a rising star in the coaching ranks after his work in Philly the past two seasons.

Related: Colts

Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Feb 7 - 10:36 AM

[dubc47834]

“For now, the reality is the Colts have no coach, a quarterback whose health is unknown, and a front office who thought hiring Josh McDaniels was a good idea. The Colts will wake up Wednesday morning a mess and a punch line, but it could have been so much worse.
They could have woken up Thursday with Josh McDaniels as coach.”

Gregg Doyel’s scathing take on McDaniels
https://t.co/m20TzSMkJH

I would take anything from Gregg Doyel regarding McDaniels with a grain of salt. Yesterday he was on the Will Cain Show blasting McDaniels and just came across as being very arrogant.

[Chip R]

I would take anything from Gregg Doyel regarding McDaniels with a grain of salt. Yesterday he was on the Will Cain Show blasting McDaniels and just came across as being very arrogant.

Not Gregg Doyel? :eek:

[redsfandan]

This may have cost McDaniels another chance at a head coaching job and apparently his agent isn't happy either cuz he decided he didn't want to be his agent anymore. lol

https://twitter.com/DanGrazianoESPN/status/961305068900265984

[redsfanmia]

When you deal with people of low character you get what you get. The Colts will be just fine and McDaniels really looks bad imo.

[Chip R]

Wait, did McDaniels watch the Two Bills 30 for 30 realize Irsay was kind of like the Jets owner, and write I resign as HC of IND on a napkin?

I just saw that last night before I knew any of this went down. Ironic that Belichick was a head coach in waiting with the Jets and probably the de facto HCIW with the Giants. Then he backed out of the Jets deal at the last minute like McDaniels did with the Colts.

[M2]

Just passing this along (and, for the record, I do not care one iota about the game of football), the talking heads in the Boston areas are saying a lot of this revolves around Deflategate. The Patriots always felt the Colts jobbed them on that and the murmurs are that Kraft made a big anti-Colts pitch (which was an easy sell because McDaniels was the offensive coordinator when that went down).

[Kingspoint]

Just passing this along (and, for the record, I do not care one iota about the game of football), the talking heads in the Boston areas are saying a lot of this revolves around Deflategate. The Patriots always felt the Colts jobbed them on that and the murmurs are that Kraft made a big anti-Colts pitch (which was an easy sell because McDaniels was the offensive coordinator when that went down).

...or he's just a scumbag.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Patriots OC Josh McDaniels' agent, Bob LaMonte, has terminated his relationship with McDaniels after he decided to bail on the Colts' job.

Typically, the player/coach is the one who fires the agent; not the other way around. But LaMonte also represents Colts GM Chris Ballard and a number of other coaches and executives. LaMonte likely figures that him representing a flake like McDaniels also paints him in a bad light. Which is probably true. By bailing out on the Colts, McDaniels did what he thought was best for him.

Source: Dan Graziano on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Colts are expected to put in an interview request for Eagles OC Frank Reich regarding their head-coaching vacancy.

When all is said and done, the Colts could actually benefit from Josh McDaniels backing out on them. McDaniels has proven to be a total failure outside of New England in stops with the Broncos and Rams, and it's anybody's guess if he's actually any good. Reich, 56, got his coaching start in Indy in 2008, spending four years there with Peyton Manning. He's never been a head coach, but is a rising star in the coaching ranks after his work in Philly the past two seasons.

Source: Tom Pelissero on Twitter



I certainly see this as a done deal if Reich wants it.

Kudos to the Colts for retaining McDaniels' hires. Reich has to respect that from the organization, but at the same time be OK with the hires. I could see a special bond among the Coaches and Management forming from the aftermath of all of this that would trickle down throughout the organization from players to secretaries to the groundcrew, and to the fans.


Of course, this all parts the waters for DeFelippo to be the new O.C. in Philly. Minnesota is going to have to keep looking and the availability of DeFelippo to interview with them may not take place until Weich makes his decision.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports there are still doctors who have concerns about Andrew Luck's shoulder and whether he may require additional surgery.

As soon as Josh McDaniels backed out of the Colts' head-coaching job on Tuesday night, rumors began to swirl that McDaniels may know something about Luck's shoulder that the public does not. We doubt that's the case, but the concern around Luck is legitimate after he missed all of 2017 due to complications from right shoulder surgery. Luck needs to start throwing again ASAP to squash the rumors, and they're not going to go away until he does so.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter



We know the Colts haven't been honest to season-ticket holders and their fans about it. I just hope they will be realistic and honest to themselves about it, and if there are any concerns, to be prudent and draft a Quarterback who canbe reasonably looked at as a potential Starter.

[Kingspoint]

I'm going to venture and say that this one sticks.

The fog that has surrounded the Colts for the last three years is beginning to lift.

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Colts hired Eagles OC Frank Reich as head coach.

It's a five-year contract. Eagles coach Doug Pederson has now lost both his coordinator and quarterbacks coach after upsetting the Patriots in the Super Bowl. The Chargers' offensive coordinator from 2014-15 before heading to Philadelphia, Reich is a solid hire. He was a big part of the Eagles' offensive success in 2017. The Colts have hired a talented coaching staff so far and will look to add an offensive coordinator in the ensuing weeks. Andrew Luck's health remains the Colts' biggest question mark heading into 2018.

Source: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

[texasdave]

Frank Reich trivia: in 1992, Buffalo faced Houston in the final game of the regular season. Houston spanked the Bills 27-3. In the process, Buffalo starting QB, Jim Kelly, was injured. Reich finished the game for Buffalo. The next weekend, the same two teams met in the wild-card game. Reich got the playoff start, as Kelly was still injured. Early in the third quarter, the Oilers were laughing their way to victory, holding a 35-3 lead. In six-plus quarters of football, Houston had outscored Buffalo 62-6. And then the unthinkable happened. Frank Reich led the Bills on five consecutive touchdown drives. Buffalo won the game, and everyone in Houston cried until Easter.

[Kingspoint]

Frank Reich trivia: in 1992, Buffalo faced Houston in the final game of the regular season. Houston spanked the Bills 27-3. In the process, Buffalo starting QB, Jim Kelly, was injured. Reich finished the game for Buffalo. The next weekend, the same two teams met in the wild-card game. Reich got the playoff start, as Kelly was still injured. Early in the third quarter, the Oilers were laughing their way to victory, holding a 35-3 lead. In six-plus quarters of football, Houston had outscored Buffalo 62-6. And then the unthinkable happened. Frank Reich led the Bills on five consecutive touchdown drives. Buffalo won the game, and everyone in Houston cried until Easter.

I lost big money on that game as I had Houston. Yes. I remember.

[redsfanmia]

Good hire, safe and solid. By all accounts Frank is a good man who will be a stable force for the Colts. I’m actually pretty excited about the upcoming seasons.

[Joseph]

Colts made a better hire. Looking back I think the fans are going to be very happy getting the bridesmaid instead of the bride.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

According to Draft Insider's Tony Pauline, "just about everybody believes" free agent LB Anthony Hitchens will sign with the Colts.

Indy beat writers have hinted at this, as well; new Colts DC Matt Eberflus was Hitchens' position coach in Dallas. A solid run stopper with experience at all three linebacker positions, Hitchens typically came off the field on passing downs as a Cowboy. He would play middle linebacker in the Colts' new 4-3.

Source: Draft Analyst