8/22/2017 Reds vs Cubs

[cumberlandreds]

Reds are back in action tonight against the Cubs. Cozart is back too with all the rest of the gang we have to come to know and love in 2017.


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[cumberlandreds]

Here is the enemy lineup. Jon Jay leading off. I just finished a biography on him. He was one the more underrated founding fathers. The book didn't mention he could play baseball too.

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[reds44]

lololol price

[RedTeamGo!]

lololol price

Just awful.

[Norse1978]

lololol price
I would hope we only have 6 more weeks of Price he's managing like the Reds are in a pennant race. Ha

[reds44]

At this point, I would be good if the Reds just dumped Cozart for nothing if there are no offers. Let's at least get Peraza ABs.

Also wouldn't be mad if Billy suffers his typical September injury so Winker and/or Ervin have to play.

[GADawg]

I don't get all the Price hate where the lineup is concerned.....I get it we all wanna see Winker but Schebler is only 27 I think and is a big time threat and twice the defender Winker is.....you wanna see Peraza? Go back and watch the first 100 games. scooter is also only 27 and is having a tremendous season

[Kc61]

I think Price feels he owes it to the league to play his regulars/veterans against contenders.

There may also be some pressure to beat the Cubs at home, or at least stay in the games.

When the Reds play the Mets 7 games, I'm sure you'll see more of the youngsters.

[reds44]

I think Price feels he owes it to the league to play his regulars/veterans against contenders.

There may also be some pressure to beat the Cubs at home, or at least stay in the games.

When the Reds play the Mets 7 games, I'm sure you'll see more of the youngsters.

You mean like when Schebler/Hamilton/Duvall got 8 of the 9 outfield starts in atlanta?

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld...

Ben Zobrist has been scratched from the Cubs' starting lineup Tuesday.

Zobrist had trouble renting a car to drive from Nashville to Cincinnati, where the Cubs open a series against the Reds on Tuesday night. Ian Happ is now starting at second base and batting fifth versus right-hander Homer Bailey.

Source: Gordon Wittenmyer on Twitter

[Big Klu]

From Rotoworld...

Ben Zobrist has been scratched from the Cubs' starting lineup Tuesday.

Zobrist had trouble renting a car to drive from Nashville to Cincinnati, where the Cubs open a series against the Reds on Tuesday night. Ian Happ is now starting at second base and batting fifth versus right-hander Homer Bailey.

Source: Gordon Wittenmyer on Twitter

Was Zobrist chasing the eclipse yesterday?

[Ironman92]

At this point, I would be good if the Reds just dumped Cozart for nothing if there are no offers. Let's at least get Peraza ABs.

Also wouldn't be mad if Billy suffers his typical September injury so Winker and/or Ervin have to play.

Geesh.

I want Billy to get a full season without major injury absences

I wanted Peraza to get 500-550 PA this year...looks like he will

[Chip R]

Thom throwing shade at Votto saying he was in base a lot on the road trip but only drove in 3 runs with the HR he hit.

[757690]

So far:

Hamilton's speed 2
Cubbies 0

[reds44]

I refuse to see Homer out here throwing 94 with a ridiculous splitter and believe he won't figure it out at some point.

[JaxRed]

Every other game he's been decent and today's the day.

[WrongVerb]

Bailey probably tweaked his leg or back running to first in the last half inning.

[RedsfaninMT]

He's safe :(

[Chip R]

He's safe :(

Hate to say it but it was the right call.

[RedsfaninMT]

Hate to say it but it was the right call.

I was saying safe before the replay. Right call without a doubt.

[mhs95_06]

Was Zobrist chasing the eclipse yesterday?

I'd bet so. We were. We had no trouble getting into Tenn on I-65(although there were a couple slowdowns for construction), and had picked our spot(CrossPlains, Tenn) to watch 3 hrs ahead of totality. We were in our car and trying to head for home within 15 minutes of the end of totality. We suffered about a 15 minute delay getting back onto I-65 and the 2nd exit south of the Kentucky border. From there we suffered 3 hrs of delay till we got on open road on the Blue Grass Pkwy to Lexington. Between 11p and midnight we heard an Atlanta station talking about post eclipse traffic tie-ups there then. Must have been no rental cars or flights out available today in Nashville!

[757690]

So far:

Hamilton's speed - 3
Cubbies - 0

[Big Klu]

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[Ironman92]

Damnit Scooter...Thom was talking about the best all-time sports bodies. He was going to name 2....one was Andre Dawson but Scooter's HR interrupted him and now we'll never know.

I'll assume it's Colin Montgomerie

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[Powel Crosley]

Shackelford... expect this ballgame to be tied up soon.

[reds44]

lol of course he gets hurt when he's pitching well

[RedTeamGo!]

Damnit Scooter...Thom was talking about the best all-time sports bodies. He was going to name 2....one was Andre Dawson but Scooter's HR interrupted him and now we'll never know.

I'll assume it's Colin Montgomerie

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[Chip R]

Damnit Scooter...Thom was talking about the best all-time sports bodies. He was going to name 2....one was Andre Dawson but Scooter's HR interrupted him and now we'll never know.

I'll assume it's Colin Montgomerie

Well it's got to be Steve Finley. I can't remember how many Hot Stove Leage shows I listened to with him sighing over his young body.

[Ironman92]

https://youtu.be/V7Bl4E6PG-g

[Powel Crosley]

Shackelford... expect this ballgame to be tied up soon.

I'm pleasantly surprised.

[marcshoe]

I still liked last year's Marshall alum better than this year's Marshall alum, and not just because he brought us Castillo.

Although that is the number one reason.

[marcshoe]

Well it's got to be Steve Finley. I can't remember how many Hot Stove Leage shows I listened to with him sighing over his young body.

I'm betting on Wilbur Wood or Terry "Tub of Goo" Forster.

[paintmered]

While perusing Reddit earlier today, I noticed a baseball thread on FARTSLAMs, or Fielder Allows Runner To Score Like A Moron.

I'm on board with this becoming a thing. TOOTBLAN needs a friend.

[757690]

Well it's got to be Steve Finley. I can't remember how many Hot Stove Leage shows I listened to with him sighing over his young body.

Thom biggest regret from his days as an Arizona announcer was that he never got a chance to tackle Steve Finley in the shower.

[RedsBrick]

Wait, Bailey's hurt? :rolleyes:

[paintmered]

Oh jeez, now Thom is going to harp on Schebler not getting the ball to second "soon enough" for the rest of the game.

[paulrichjr]

Wait, Bailey's hurt? :rolleyes:

Yea I'm in a plane reading this trying to keep up with the game and waiting on someone to tell more....

[paintmered]

Yea I'm in a plane reading this trying to keep up with the game and waiting on someone to tell more....

Nothing to report yet.

[paintmered]

Shackelford gets the yank leaving the bases loaded after walking two consecutive batters.

[Powel Crosley]

Shackelford... expect this ballgame to be tied up soon.


I'm pleasantly surprised.

I was right the first time.

[Ironman92]

Votto going to give us a 2 run lead

[DocRed]

Its ridiculous that Shackleford is on this roster....he is absolutely terrible.

[Ironman92]

Its ridiculous that Shackleford is on this roster....he is absolutely terrible.

Sounds like he fits right in for this pitching staff

[Sea Ray]

Duvall with his major league leading OF assist in the 5th.


... and his defensive reputation has graded out as firmly average statistically.


If he grades out as average then I question the grading system...

[paintmered]

Suarez with the 3-run bomb. 6-3 Reds.

[Ironman92]

I watch these games and hope Scooter turns into Daniel Murphy, but of late have hopes Suarez turns into Rendon

And of course Homer turn into his Scherzer projection

[Tom Servo]

love that Geno

[757690]

Shackelford pitching two innings and giving up 3 runs is a win in my book.

[Big Klu]

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[Rantly]

At this point, I would be good if the Reds just dumped Cozart for nothing if there are no offers. Let's at least get Peraza ABs.

Also wouldn't be mad if Billy suffers his typical September injury so Winker and/or Ervin have to play.
Nice....

[757690]

Duvall with his major league leading OF assist in the 5th.



If he grades out as average then I question the grading system...

For the record, Duvall has a career +6.3 UZR/150 and 15 defensive runs saved according to DRS. In other words, both advanced defensive stat systems rate him above average.

[Sea Ray]

I have no idea who this guy is but he says that it was back spasms that forced Homer from the game

https://twitter.com/N_Valvy24?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[Strikes Out Looking]

I have no idea who this guy is but he says that it was back spasms that forced Homer from the game

https://twitter.com/N_Valvy24?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7 Ctwgr%5Eauthor

The guy likes to tweet and he believes the NBA is a real sports league- probably believes WWE is real as well.

[Kc61]

Nice swing by Suarez on the homer, had to reach for it slightly but maintained balance, very nice swing.

Reds' announcers bemoaning the state of pitching in the big leagues. Hey guys, nobody has pitching as miserable as the Reds. I've really never seen anything like it.

[paintmered]

Eww, the number of cheering fans in the ballpark is gross.

[Sea Ray]

Nice swing by Suarez on the homer, had to reach for it slightly but maintained balance, very nice swing.

Reds' announcers bemoaning the state of pitching in the big leagues. Hey folks, nobody has pitching as miserable as the Reds. I've really never seen anything like it.

Oh I have. Last year...

[Ironman92]

Trash that Billy gets an error because Suarez was blocked from seeing it and Lorenzon doesn't know how to back up a play

[Kc61]

Oh I have. Last year...

I dunno. I think this year is worse with the 6 ERA from starters. But last year was pretty tough to watch too, agree.

[Big Klu]

Lorenzen runs the bases like an outfielder.

[Big Klu]

Jim Day just powerbombed THom on TV!

THom: "Jim Day! Care to share any words of wisdom that you and Joey Votto discussed in the on-deck circle?"

JD: "My words of wisdom would be to check an optometrist. I don't talk to the players on the field."

[WrongVerb]

I've said it before: Votto is the only hitter in the major leagues who can be ahead in the count 0-2.

[Ironman92]

I've said it before: Votto is the only hitter in the major leagues who can be ahead in the count 0-2.

I said last year MLB can move to start every Votto PA with a 3-2 count....shorten games by 4 min just doing that alone

[Raisor]

I've said it before: Votto is the only hitter in the major leagues who can be ahead in the count 0-2.

#stallion

[Big Klu]

Well, I gotta get up early tomorrow. I think I'm going to switch over to Kelch & the Cowboy on the radio side.

[Sea Ray]

Watching all these walks and 3 ball counts can drive a fan to drink...:alcohol:

[Ironman92]

Baez definitely switches it up with 2 strikes

[mhs95_06]

Cubs hitting them where the Reds ain't!

[lnn6574]

You can't keep getting up 1-2 and continue to pitch to a full count.


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[Ironman92]

Pitching around Votto worked again

[Strikes Out Looking]

I'm really starting to hate these guys the Reds have allowed to throw off the mound for them this year - I can't call them pitchers because that would be insulting to pitchers.

[DocRed]

I've said it all year long...this bullpen does not have an above average reliever aside from Iglesias.

[mhs95_06]

You can't keep getting up by 3 runs, then squandering it!

[Chip R]

You can't keep getting up 1-2 and continue to pitch to a full count.


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He's only doing what every other pitcher on the Reds does.

[Fil3232]

Word is Bailey was removed for precaution due to irritation behind his right shoulder. Oy vey.

[Kc61]

I've said it all year long...this bullpen does not have an above average reliever aside from Iglesias.

Peralta is quite good, just overworked. Pitches virtually every game. Lorenzen, I think, hurt by overwork.

[mhs95_06]

Pitching around Votto worked again

The next time they do it, they won't have to face Duvall.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Word is Bailey was removed for precaution due to irritation behind his right shoulder.

I guess his parents never just kissed the boo-boo and sent him back outside to play. (And before I get ripped, I do realize that he was injured and required Tommy John but boy oh boy)

[lnn6574]

Word is Bailey was removed for precaution due to irritation behind his right shoulder. Oy vey.

I removed Bailey due to irritation a few weeks ago, its ashamed the Reds can't.


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[RedsBrick]

Lorenzen runs the bases like an outfielder.

Unfortunately he's also pitching like one, of late.

[Ironman92]

I wish football would start so Thom would leave

[BluegrassRedleg]

So bad. #HWF

[WrongVerb]

Peratla looked tired after 20 pitches. But he was left in there.

[lnn6574]

I wish football would start so Thom would leave

It's coming soon enough. Almost as predictable as a Cubs hit or walk. And yes I love the Reds, and I understand the rebuild, but this pitching, outside of Castello, is dismal.


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[WVRedsFan]

"Wood has walked the bases loaded."

Who is surprised? Not me.

[DocRed]

Peralta is quite good, just overworked. Pitches virtually every game. Lorenzen, I think, hurt by overwork.

Disagree, Peralta average at best. Lorenzen is just bad.

[lnn6574]

I'm a member of several Reds memorabilia pages on Facebook, there have been more baseballs signed by Bigfoot than Blake Wood posted for sale.


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[lnn6574]

Maybe the balls will look like strikes now.


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[reds44]

Peralta is quite good, just overworked. Pitches virtually every game. Lorenzen, I think, hurt by overwork.

gotta win games, dude

[WVRedsFan]

12-6. Wood just stinking up the joint. Runners at second and third, no outs. Holy cow!

[Tony Cloninger]

How is Peralta just average? Unless you have an ERA under 2.00 you are just an average reliever? BS. Peralta had been very good this. If Iglesias was a MR he would be just as tired as Peralta had been and running out of gas too.

Why is Wood allowed to continue to be on this team after last week or even before that is how much of a joke this FO can still be. They allow Price to make the decision to keep him when you do have other options available. Waste of a 40 man spot.

[Norse1978]

I refuse to see Homer out here throwing 94 with a ridiculous splitter and believe he won't figure it out at some point.


I'm pleasantly surprised.
Hopefully Williams can figure out how to put pitching staff together cause this one is a joke.

[RedsBrick]

Wood is off my 25 tomorrow. You don't get to pitch like that and get trotted out there time and time again.

[Norse1978]

Wood is off my 25 tomorrow. You don't get to pitch like that and get trotted out there time and time again.

I would hope Kevin S. Joins him

[WVRedsFan]

Wood is off my 25 tomorrow. You don't get to pitch like that and get trotted out there time and time again.Best guess? "He just had an off night." And he will pitch tomorrow. ERA now at 5.86.

[Red Raindog]

At least Homer got his ERA under 8 tonight


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[Tony Cloninger]

Best scenario is that Bailey does not pitch for the rest of the year and next year.

Reds get paid insurance money while being forced to buy at least a #3 and trade for a #2 at least. At worst 2 number 3s just to make this less of a joke.

It's the only way they actually might do something. Or else they will think Homer is an option.

[WVRedsFan]

Bryant HBP in the 9th. No one can pitch. Now Rizzo is HBP.

[Powel Crosley]

This is embarrassing.

[Ironman92]

This is the team we root for?

Who the **** is going to pitch tomorrow after Wojo? Scooter?

[WVRedsFan]

This is the team we root for?

Who the **** is going to pitch tomorrow after Wojo? Scooter?Life with Price, Version IV.

[Ironman92]

Mike Squires

[Big Klu]

This is the team we root for?

Who the **** is going to pitch tomorrow after Wojo? Scooter?

Adleman and Iglesias.

[Ironman92]

Rizzo at 3rd

I begged my high school coach to let me play 3rd...I got one inning. In a DH I played 7 positions

[Ironman92]

Thom, shut up...Rizzo wanted to play 3rd. That's it. They aren't rubbing it in???

[Tony Cloninger]

Winker does have power and Leon is getting larrrrrgggggeerrrrr.

[Ironman92]

Towering HR by Winker...a bomb

[Big Klu]

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/uncyclopedia/images/0/0c/Fonz.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070626093547

[reds44]

Thank god that guy isn't playing everyday

[Big Klu]

Thom, shut up...Rizzo wanted to play 1st.....

What is THom saying?

[RedTeamGo!]

Good thing Winker isn't getting as many plate appearances as possible before the season ends.

Please fire Price now.

[Tony Cloninger]

I would let Scott play CF at the GABP in order to let Winker play RF more just so Homer's Ghost can rest in peace.

[Ironman92]

What is THom saying?

That Rizzo might be on 3rd because Reds hit Bryant and Rizzo and Cubs are making fun of Reds

Just so dumb

[Big Klu]

Rizzo at 3rd

I begged my high school coach to let me play 3rd...I got one inning. In a DH I played 7 positions

Another case of Maddon trying to show how much smarter he is than everyone else.

[Ironman92]

Thank god that guy isn't playing everyday

Thank God Billy didn't get hurt and have to miss he rest of the season

[Tony Cloninger]

Reds pitching reminds me of the Bengals ideas and structure of their OL. Anyone can just be plugged in and let's see what happens.

[Ironman92]

Suarez...the next Rendon

[Tony Cloninger]

Another case of Maddon trying to show how much smarter he is than everyone else.

He's gone from being pretty cool to Tony LaRussa douchbaggery.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds tacking on runs against pitching as bad as the Reds

Seeing those Cubs fans in the $$ seats makes me sick.

[Ironman92]

He's gone from being pretty cool to Tony LaRussa douchbaggery.

Maddon isn't doing anything but let his leader play an inning at 3rd in a 7 run game

[reds44]

Cool 0-5 from Schebler tonight

[Big Klu]

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[Tony Cloninger]

Maddon isn't doing anything but let his leader play an inning at 3rd in a 7 run game

Oh Iron Man don't you believe it. He's letting you know how cool he is when we weren't even asking.

[Big Klu]

He's gone from being pretty cool to Tony LaRussa douchbaggery.

He's always been a hipster d-bag. I never bought into his "cool" schtick.

[Ironman92]

Cool 0-5 from Schebler tonight

4 for 8 coming into tonight...he can sit tomorrow hopefully

[Tony Cloninger]

Cool 0-5 from Schebler tonight

He got hosed on a 3-2 pitch. That was a ball but a typical 3-2 call in the last inning. You really want to dismiss Schebler because Winker does not play enough? He just came off a very good weekend against the Braves.

[reds44]

All I said was that he went 0-5 lol

[Big Klu]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Eugenio Suarez, who was 3-for-5 with a single and 2 HR's, 5 RBI's, and 3 runs scored.

[WVRedsFan]

Winker = .296/.905
Schebler = .231/.783

Who do you start in the most games?

[Big Klu]

On pace for 68-94.

[Ironman92]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Eugenio Suarez, who was 3-for-5 with a single and 2 HR's, 5 RBI's, and 3 runs scored.

I'll assume Blake Wood was in the running

[Big Klu]

Winker = .296/.905
Schebler = .231/.783

Who do you start in the most games?

Small sample size. #devilsadvocate

[WVRedsFan]

Small sample size. #devilsadvocate:)

[Big Klu]

Reds fall to 8-11 on Bowtie Tuesday.

[Tony Cloninger]

All I said was that he went 0-5 lol

Are you kidding me? You were saying a lot more than that. Put down that Tennessee Honey Jack and quit playing coy. I 'ain't afraid of no ghost.

[mhs95_06]

Winker = .296/.905
Schebler = .231/.783

Who do you start in the most games?

Winker has 71 ABs with 4 HR and 10 RBI.
In a similar sample size of the first month of the season, Schebler had 82 ABs with 5 HR and 18 RBI and .318/.917.

And Schebler is better defensively!

[Ron Madden]

Well it's got to be Steve Finley. I can't remember how many Hot Stove Leage shows I listened to with him sighing over his young body.

Yeah him and Jeff Conine were HUGE Favorites of Marty and Thom.
Young Strong Bodies and all that jazz.

[Ron Madden]

I've said it all year long...this bullpen does not have an above average reliever aside from Iglesias.

Its awful hard to blame the Bullpen when ya don't have any starters that can't go 5 innings without throwin' 90 pitches.

[Ron Madden]

How is Peralta just average? Unless you have an ERA under 2.00 you are just an average reliever? BS. Peralta had been very good this. If Iglesias was a MR he would be just as tired as Peralta had been and running out of gas too.

Why is Wood allowed to continue to be on this team after last week or even before that is how much of a joke this FO can still be. They allow Price to make the decision to keep him when you do have other options available. Waste of a 40 man spot.

We gotta remember the Reds are rebuilding.

Guys like Wood are just fillers right now, we need arms to eat innings. Arms that really don't matter going forward.

Somebody's gotta take the lumps til we can win again, let it be guys that don't figure into long term plans.

[Sea Ray]

You can't keep getting up 1-2 and continue to pitch to a full count.



Reds pitchers are horrible with that. In fact those "waste" pitches aren't even close enough to the strike zone to get a batter tempted. Then after wasting a couple pitches our pitchers invraiably lose their ability to find the strike zone. I don't know if they're being coached to do this but if so it oughta stop

[Tom Servo]

https://twitter.com/kg_holler/status/900186932101222401