8/23/17 - Reds vs Cubs

[Reds Fanatic]

CUBS

1. Jon Jay (L) CF
2. Kyle Schwarber (L) LF
3. Ben Zobrist (S) 2B
4. Anthony Rizzo (L) 1B
5. Alex Avila (L) C
6. Tommy La Stella (L) 3B
7. Jason Heyward (L) RF
8. Javier Baez (R) SS
9. Mike Montgomery (L) P

REDS

1. Billy Hamilton (S) CF
2. Zack Cozart (R) SS
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Adam Duvall (R) LF
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Scott Schebler (L) RF
7. Jose Peraza (R) 2B
8. Stuart Turner (R) C
9. Asher Wojciechowski (R) P

[GADawg]

Yay Peraza is in there!! Extend Price for 10 years!


Free Scooter!!

[JaxRed]

Last chance to save a starting gig, Wojo.

[reds44]

Yay Peraza is in there!! Extend Price for 10 years!


Free Scooter!!
If you're upset about Scooter not playing vs a lefty, bless your heart

[JaxRed]

I believe in the long run Schebler will be more productive than Winker... but I'd have given Winker the start. Reward good games.

[GADawg]

If you're upset about Scooter not playing vs a lefty, bless your heart

Nah not really....just mocking you

[Big Klu]

I forgot that Joe Morgan was broadcasting Wednesday night home games.

[BluegrassRedleg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQg

[Powel Crosley]

Another bad start.

[Chip R]

Thom loves him some RBIs.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds in a big hole after a half inning

[BCubb2003]

Wojo strikes out the side!

Except for ...

[Chip R]

That half inning is an example of why I wouldn't have a problem with a whole new coaching staff.

[50YrRedsFan]

That half inning is an example of why I wouldn't have a problem with a whole new coaching staff.

You can include a whole new pitching staff to that.

[Wolves198921]

The reds are on Comedy Central. Finally on national TV!

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds get 2 hits, but don't score. 3-0 Cubs after 1.

[Chip R]

You can include a whole new pitching staff to that.

That would be nice too.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Enjoying Little Joe's commentary tonight. Nice change-up.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cubs down in order in the 2nd. yay Wojo.

[50YrRedsFan]

Enjoying Little Joe's commentary tonight. Nice change-up.

He sounds and looks good. He was looking very sick a couple years ago.

[50YrRedsFan]

Peraza up with his balsa wood bat. Most major leaguers will use ash or maple.:laugh:

[BluegrassRedleg]

He sounds and looks good. He was looking very sick a couple years ago.

Yeah. I didn't think he'd be with us too much longer. Hopefully his long-term health situation looks good now.

[WVRedsFan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MK6TXMsvgQgBoots Randolph. May he rest in peace.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The throw can hit you any way you slide, Joe. :D

[BluegrassRedleg]

That was Larkin-esque from Baez. Just gotta tip your cap.

[RedsBrick]

If Price insists on keeping Winker on the bench they really should send him down so he can swing a bat in a baseball game.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds get 2 on but can't score again. 4-0 Cubs after 3.

[Big Klu]

I wish Joe would stay, and THom would leave.

[reds44]

Between woj's implosion and bailey's injury, gotta think we'll see Mahle soon

[50YrRedsFan]

Wojo brewing trouble now.

[50YrRedsFan]

Wojo's brew just blew up in his face.

[Tom Servo]

Between woj's implosion and bailey's injury, gotta think we'll see Mahle soon
Mahle's just 7.2 innings shy of his previous career high in a season.

[Red Raindog]

Wojo brewing trouble now.

He gets to pitch with the bases empty now --- :(

[reds44]

Mahle's just 7.2 innings shy of his previous career high in a season.

It's not like he's going to stop there. That's at least another 4-5 starts before he gets shut down.

[50YrRedsFan]

I guess this is why Wojo was in the minors before the Reds brought him in.

[Tom Servo]

It's not like he's going to stop there. That's at least another 4-5 starts before he gets shut down.
He has three starts left to make in Louisville, I imagine he makes them and is done for the year.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Wojo should not be starting. Wojo should only be in the bullpen. How hard is that for Price to figure out?

I realize there are limited options - but Wojo isn't an option. Neither is Adelman.

And if Homer Bailey has a pain but its only a pain he should pitch through it and give the bullpen a break.

I really really really hate these guys. They are a mockery of MLB players.

I know I will be told by many on here, that its not easy to be a MLB pitcher. I fully realize it, but when they get the opportunity to be a MLB pitcher they need to seize it by the throat, not walk half the league.

Ugh, wake me in 2018.

[Norse1978]

I guess this is why Wojo was in the minors before the Reds brought him in.
Hopefully he will join Blake Wood after tonight

[reds44]

He has three starts left to make in Louisville, I imagine he makes them and is done for the year.

I would have no problem with that, but having watched the reds handle pitchers the last two years I would be shocked if his next start isn't in the majors

[Tom Servo]

I guess this is why Wojo was in the minors before the Reds brought him in.
I'm not convinced he's some sort of solution but Redszone sure gives him a lot of **** considering his worst bad outings have come against the Dodgers and Cubs. He's a fringe guy, of course the good teams eat his lunch.

[WVRedsFan]

Lord Have Mercy

[Big Klu]

Chacin fits right in with the team philosophy.

Next.

[Red Raindog]

kid - you'll fit right in

[Norse1978]

The new guy fits right in. Ha

[50YrRedsFan]

Welcome to the Team, Mr. Chacin

[DocRed]

Such a pleasure listening to Joe Morgan in the booth. Really enjoyed it.

[Big Klu]

Such a pleasure listening to Joe Morgan in the booth. Really enjoyed it.

Highlight of the night.

[50YrRedsFan]

It could be a bountiful night for the draft pick standings. The Giants have already won, the Phillies are winning. Just need the White Sox to help out. But then, on the other hand, these teams don't hold leads well, indicated by their records.

[50YrRedsFan]

Everything turning gold for the Dodgers this year. Rich Hill with a perfect game through 6 innings in Pittsburgh tonight.

[reds44]

Maybe play Winker everyday?

[Norse1978]

Maybe play Winker everyday?

That would take a manager with common sense

[CincyDave]

Luke Farrell pitches 2/3 shut out innings.
Ladies and gentlemen, there's your 2018 Opening Day starter.

[GADawg]

Reds brass, if they have a conscious, should give each and every one of us a special(and expensive) gift for hanging in and withstanding this crap on a nightly basis....to quote my wife "what is wrong with you"?!

[Big Klu]

Reds brass, if they have a conscious, should give each and every one of us a special(and expensive) gift for hanging in and withstanding this crap on a nightly basis....to quote my wife "what is wrong with you"?!

I was sitting here tonight wondering the same thing. "Why do I bother with this?"

I haven't come up with an answer yet.

[WVRedsFan]

Another manager decided to send his pitcher out for the 10th inning when he already had a 9th inning no-no and lost the game. Of course that manager is winning at a .712 pct.

[Powel Crosley]

Another game where Votto is the lone bright spot.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Adam Dunn - 270
5. Joey Votto - 254
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
24. Todd Frazier - 108
25. Dave Parker - 107
26. Chris Sabo - 104
27. Dave Concepcion - 101

[Big Klu]

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11/114183/4351123-tumblr_n859dhs7ut1rpdwl9o1_250.jpg

[Big Klu]

Schebby!

http://drinkinggamezone.com/img/games/movie/dude-wheres-my-car.jpg

[WVRedsFan]

Over. 9-3 (after homers by Votto, Suarez, and Schebler in the ninth). Cubs win.

[Boston Red]

Not sure whether you guys have noticed, but we're not very good.

[Sea Ray]

I was sitting here tonight wondering the same thing. "Why do I bother with this?"

I haven't come up with an answer yet.

Absolutely. This _____ (whatever term you want to use) is downright unwatchable. 8 of those 9 innings (of the Reds) were pitched by guys who are not major league pitchers. They certainly would not make the Cubs 25 man roster and I'll go out on a limb and say they'd not even make their 40 man roster. They probably wouldn't even pitch for Iowa. How are we fans supposed to watch this? The Cubs had their own injuries to deal with. They had to do "next man up" tonight and he threw 6 shutout innings

[Big Klu]

Cubs 9
Reds 3
Final

[Big Klu]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Luke Farrell, who pitched 3 innings of one-hit shutout relief with 3 K's in his Reds debut.

[Tom Servo]

Maybe play Winker everyday?
I'm basically PriceHater69 here but I can't fault him for this one, he has corner outfielders.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 68-94.

[reds44]

I'm basically PriceHater69 here but I can't fault him for this one, he has corner outfielders.

Nice

[CrackerJack]

I'm basically PriceHater69 here but I can't fault him for this one, he has corner outfielders.

Schebler has done little in the 2nd half (1 HR, and a quickly deflating BA, OBP and OPS), Winker is out-performing him, I guess I just don't consider 207 career ML games a long enough track record to keep Winker's consistent production on the bench, when one is clearly out-performing the other at the plate. If Winker were not hitting well, and had not hit well in the minors, different story I suppose.

I would think everyone outside of Votto and Cozart to be in some sort of competition for a spot, considering it's such a bad team. The more you produce and/or improve, the more you play, right? (when there's an opportunity to do so)

[Tom Servo]

Schebler has done little in the 2nd half (1 HR, and a quickly deflating BA, OBP and OPS), Winker is out-performing him, I guess I just don't consider 207 career ML games a long enough track record to keep Winker's consistent production on the bench, when one is clearly out-performing the other at the plate. If Winker were not hitting well, and had not hit well in the minors, different story I suppose.

I actually like Winker more than Schebler long term, but jeez. You play great in the first half but a slump and another guy having a strong 3 weeks means you're on the outside looking in?

[kaldaniels]

I actually like Winker more than Schebler long term, but jeez. You play great in the first half but a slump and another guy having a strong 3 weeks means you're on the outside looking in?

I'd be fine with a Scott Schebler experiment in CF for a few weeks, as you mentioned the other day.

But if he fails that, Duvall and Billy will have spots locked up, which leads us to Schebler v Winker.

Just too many guys right now. It's a tough situation, but I'm rooting for Winker (I have high hopes) to Pipp Schebler the rest of the year. Come the offseason, someone has to go.

[Big Klu]

I actually like Winker more than Schebler long term, but jeez. You play great in the first half but a slump and another guy having a strong 3 weeks means you're on the outside looking in?

It doesn't really matter to me, because this team will continue to stink on ice regardless of who is playing in RF. But I think part of the clamor for Winker is because he is the "Flavor of the Week", and also because he is a Reds prospect, where Schebler is an "outsider" from another organization. I like them both, and I think a good manager could find a way to play four outfielders. Winker is a nice hitter, but he has flaws in his overall game as well. Schebler is the better defensive player, and he's a much better athlete and runner both on the bases and in the field. Schebler also has much more power.

Once the "new car smell" wears off, people will be calling for Winker's head too.

[kaldaniels]

It doesn't really matter to me, because this team will continue to stink on ice regardless of who is playing in RF. But I think part of the clamor for Winker is because he is the "Flavor of the Week", and also because he is a Reds prospect, where Schebler is an "outsider" from another organization. I like them both, and I think a good manager could find a way to play four outfielders. Winker is a nice hitter, but he has flaws in his overall game as well. Schebler is the better defensive player, and he's a much better athlete and runner both on the bases and in the field. Schebler also has much more power.

Once the "new car smell" wears off, people will be calling for Winker's head too.

That's selling Winker (and some of our admiration for him) short.

I had him ranked higher than Stephenson back in the day when it was unpopular to do so. He's a pure hitter and I've been wanting one of those a long time. He's the last guy prior to Senzel and Greene that I've really been excited for in the minors...and I'm not the only one like that.

So I reject your "new car smell" and "flavor of the week" admonition.

[Tom Servo]

That's selling Winker (and some of our admiration for him) short.

I had him ranked higher than Stephenson back in the day when it was unpopular to do so. He's a pure hitter and I've been wanting one of those a long time. He's the last guy prior to Senzel and Greene that I've really been excited for in the minors...and I'm not the only one like that.

So I reject your "new car smell" and "flavor of the week" admonition.
I don't think Klu is totally off the mark though. Redszone can be reactionary, in May it was all about how Duvall and Schebler have the corners locked down and Winker is an expendable disappointment who never developed power.

[Big Klu]

That's selling Winker (and some of our admiration for him) short.

I had him ranked higher than Stephenson back in the day when it was unpopular to do so. He's a pure hitter and I've been wanting one of those a long time. He's the last guy prior to Senzel and Greene that I've really been excited for in the minors...and I'm not the only one like that.

So I reject your "new car smell" and "flavor of the week" admonition.

I like the kid. As I've said before, he reminds me of Hal Morris (which is a definite compliment in my book).

But I don't see the point in getting upset because he isn't getting every inning of every game. He's going to see plenty of action over the next 5½ weeks. However, the Reds have other young OF's who also need to see some action. As I've said, history has shown that a good Reds manager can find playing time for four (and sometimes even five) outfielders.

[kaldaniels]

I don't think Klu is totally off the mark though. Redszone can be reactionary, in May it was all about how Duvall and Schebler have the corners locked down and Winker is an expendable disappointment who never developed power.

The power was admittedly a concern but never point of contention with me. I know there are a lot of Winker fans around...he's not just any prospect. He was red-hot a few years ago, the car accident and the power zap occured, but the hit tool was pretty much always there. I was talking about trading Billy last year and Duvall/Schebler earlier in the year. I don't want to...but like I said I'm a Winker fan and I'm excited to see what he brings. There are just too many guys...and pragmatically I'm just not a fan of trying to shoehorn 4 guys into 3 spots.

And this isn't just to clear my name...like I said many reasonable Winker fans are out there. You mentioned you are bullish on him moreso compared to Schebler. If Schebler can't man CF (and honestly that is dicey...we all know that) what's your plan? Who goes?

[kaldaniels]

I like the kid. As I've said before, he reminds me of Hal Morris (which is a definite compliment in my book).

But I don't see the point in getting upset because he isn't getting every inning of every game. He's going to see plenty of action over the next 5½ weeks. However, the Reds have other young OF's who also need to see some action. As I've said, history has shown that a good Reds manager can find playing time for four (and sometimes even five) outfielders.

The rest of the season...we can rotate OFs. But long-term, I firmly believe someone will have to go.

[Tom Servo]

And this isn't just to clear my name...like I said many reasonable Winker fans are out there. You mentioned you are bullish on him moreso compared to Schebler. If Schebler can't man CF (and honestly that is dicey...we all know that) what's your plan? Who goes?
I'd probably trade Schebler. But I think more PAs is more likely to help his value than it is hurt it, teams probably want to see what his numbers look like after 500 PAs in a season. I don't think Winker desperately needs every day PAs, I'm already comfortable rolling with him every day in 2018.

[kaldaniels]

I'd probably trade Schebler. But I think more PAs is more likely to help his value than it is hurt it, teams probably want to see what his numbers look like after 500 PAs in a season. I don't think Winker desperately needs every day PAs, I'm already comfortable rolling with him every day in 2018.

If behind closed doors that is the plan, I'm cool with that.

[Big Klu]

The rest of the season...we can rotate OFs. But long-term, I firmly believe someone will have to go.

Why does someone have to go? Why can't you find time for four OF's, which also strengthens the bench? I find it amusing that many fans (not you, Kal) complain about the lack of quality on the bench, but we can't keep a good player because it might mean he actually will have to play occasionally. Too many fans think that the club should have eight full-time starters, and the bench players should hardly ever play (but at the same time they should be really good).

[kaldaniels]

Why does someone have to go? Why can't you find time for four OF's, which also strengthens the bench? I find it amusing that many fans (not you, Kal) complain about the lack of quality on the bench, but we can't keep a good player because it might mean he actually will have to play occasionally. Too many fans think that the club should have eight full-time starters, and the bench players should hardly ever play (but at the same time they should be really good).

I want good bench guys too. But if it's not the right combo you wind up with a "the backup QB is the most popular guy in town" situation. That's not the only reason as I like my guys (assuming good regulars) to play more than 75% of the time.

[Raisor]

Schebler has done little in the 2nd half (1 HR, and a quickly deflating BA, OBP and OPS), Winker is out-performing him, I guess I just don't consider 207 career ML games a long enough track record to keep Winker's consistent production on the bench, when one is clearly out-performing the other at the plate. If Winker were not hitting well, and had not hit well in the minors, different story I suppose.

I would think everyone outside of Votto and Cozart to be in some sort of competition for a spot, considering it's such a bad team. The more you produce and/or improve, the more you play, right? (when there's an opportunity to do so)

Schebler had a three week slump in July when he was battling an injured shoulder. He seems healthy now and is back raking.

[cumberlandreds]

I forgot that Joe Morgan was broadcasting Wednesday night home games.

I did too. I didn't turn on the game until the bottom of the 2nd and then remembered. It's really good to see him. I was afraid we were going to lose him a couple of years ago. But he seems to be doing very well now. I wish he could be around the entire game but I guess three innings of sharing the booth with Thom is about all he can handle at this point in his life. I also agree with your post later on that the wrong person is leaving the booth after three. I wish Chris would just point Thom out the door at that point. I set my DVR for next Wednesday's game and the following Tuesday when Morgan is back in the booth. At least three innings of those games will be somewhat enjoyable.

[cumberlandreds]

Chacin fits right in with the team philosophy.

Next.

My thoughts exactly when the ball flew out of the park. Some things never change.