Reds vs. Pirates 8/27/17

[Ron Madden]

Pirates

LF: Starling Marte
2B: Adam Frazier
CF: Andrew McCutchen
1B: Josh Bell
3B: Josh Harrison
RF: John Jaso
SS: Sean Rodriguez
C: Elias Diaz
SP: Jameson Taillon


Reds

CF: Billy Hamilton
SS: Zack Cozart
1B: Joey Votto
LF: Adam Duvall
3B: Scooter Gennett
2B: Jose Peraza
RF: Scott Schebler
C: Chad Wallach
SP: Tyler Mahle

[757690]

According to CTrent, today is the second time this year, a Reds battery has been comprised of players making their a MLB debut.

[Big Klu]

Pretty cool that Don Mattingly gave Tim Wallach the day off with the Marlins so he could come to Cincinnati for Chad's first game.

[The Operator]

2 pitches, 1 out for The Rook.

[Boston Red]

Always thought Mahle's name was pronounced like mail. Learn something new every day.

[Reds Fanatic]

1st K for Mahle.

[membengal]

Nice easy motion from him.

[Reds Fanatic]

Hamilton makes the catch on the track. 1-2-3 inning for Mahle

[The Operator]

K! 2 down

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Deeeep fly ball for out #3 but that's a 1-2-3 inning to start Mr. Mahle's career.

[Boston Red]

Enjoying the future so far.

[Big Klu]

Always thought Mahle's name was pronounced like mail. Learn something new every day.

In a lot of places (especially in this part of the country), it is.

Around here, it would be pronounced either "Male" or "May-lee".

[cincyinco]

Nice first inning.. Wasn't over throwing.. Fastball is legit.

[UPRedsFan]

Enjoying the future so far.

Does he look like a poised big league pitcher or what?!

[Big Klu]

Small sample size, people. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

[Reds Fanatic]

Great AB by Votto

[TheTimeIsNow]

Classic Joey Votto at bat.

I would love to see a pitcher survey asking which batters they hate to face to most. He's gotta be top 3.

[UPRedsFan]

Small sample size, people. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Poised, I said. Good rhythm and control. Great mechanics. Doesn't appear to be a bundle of nerves. Not calling him our #1 starter.

[membengal]

Another K. Easy motion, like I said in first post, doesn't look like he is throwing as hard as he is.

[Reds Fanatic]

3 Ks for Mahle

[The Operator]

3 K's through 2 innings. I like this guy!

[Boston Red]

Takes 11 pitches for him to throw 4 balls.

[membengal]

3rd K of outing to end second inning.

[Kc61]

Funny how the four Reds prospect pitchers who have advanced are righthanders. The two lefties, Reed and Garrett, are both stuck at the AAA level. If the Reds look for a veteran this winter, maybe they should look for a lefty.

They do have lefty Finnegan, if he's healthy and starting.

[Patrick Bateman]

Doesn't look like a guy that is going to suffer from reed/garret disease. He's got a game plan and going after it.


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[Ironman92]

Doesn't look like a guy that is going to suffer from reed/garret disease. He's got a game plan and going after it.


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He got the vaccine

[Big Klu]

I disagree with THom and Chris on this one. Not a fan of the "Players Weekend" and special uniforms at all.

I vote :thumbdown:

[The Operator]

Scooter doubles

[Kc61]

He got the vaccine

The vaccine can be temporary. Don't count any chickens. Just enjoy the game and write next year's rotation in pencil.

[Reds Fanatic]

Scooter with a leadoff double

[WVRedsFan]

McCutcheon really isn't a good fielder. Surprised they play him in CF.

[Ironman92]

Scooter at .875 OPS with nearly 400 PA [emoji106]

[The Operator]

Pickoff throw goes into CF, Scooter moves to 3rd.

[Big Klu]

McCutcheon really isn't a good fielder. Surprised they play him in CF.

He actually started the season in RF, and Marte was the CF. But when Marte was suspended for 80 games, McCutchen moved back to CF.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Pirates (or whoever he is playing for) move McCutchen to either LF or RF again next year.

[Ron Madden]

Peraza with another walk

[Reds Fanatic]

1-0 Reds on a sac fly by Schebler

[Big Klu]

McCutchen and Jaso collide as Schebler flys out to CF for a SF.

Too bad they didn't knock each other out.

[757690]

Really bad planning to have Mahle's parents interviewed during Chad Wallach's first MLB AB.

[WVRedsFan]

He actually started the season in RF, and Marte was the CF. But when Marte was suspended for 80 games, McCutchen moved back to CF.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Pirates (or whoever he is playing for) move McCutchen to either LF or RF again next year.I do remember him in right, I believe, earlier. My in-laws always complained about his fielding and now I see what they mean in this series.

[757690]

Really bad planning to have Mahle's parents interviewed during Chad Wallach's first MLB AB.

And then almost missed Mahle's first AB.

[WVRedsFan]

Fox Sports Tinker Toy network

[Big Klu]

Really bad planning to have Mahle's parents interviewed during Chad Wallach's first MLB AB.

Nobody cares about Wallach. Especially THom.

[TheTimeIsNow]

I do remember him in right, I believe, earlier. My in-laws always complained about his fielding and now I see what they mean in this series.

I've always thought that stupid defensive metrics have made McCutchen seem way worse than he actually is. I would say that he is average to a little below average in center; however, defensive metrics say that he has been one of the worst defensive centerfielders in baseball. I just find that hard to believe.

[The Operator]

4 pitch walk to start the 3rd for Tyler.

[Big Klu]

I've always thought that stupid defensive metrics have made McCutchen seem way worse than he actually is. I would say that he is average to a little below average in center; however, defensive metrics say that he has been one of the worst defensive centerfielders in baseball. I just find that hard to believe.

A friend of mine is a Pirates fan, and I've told him for the last three years that the Pirates and McCutchen would both be better served if he moved to either LF or RF, and served only as a backup CF (much like Eric Davis did later in his career with the Reds). It would cut down on the wear and tear on his body.

[The Operator]

His pitches seem really crisp.

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Marte beats out an infield single. 1st and 3rd, 1 out for The Pirates.

[TheTimeIsNow]

A friend of mine is a Pirates fan, and I've told him for the last three years that the Pirates and McCutchen would both be better served if he moved to either LF or RF, and served only as a backup CF (much like Eric Davis did later in his career with the Reds). It would cut down on the wear and tear on his body.

I would agree with that. Probably would have been a good idea. Oh well. His defense won't be the Pirates' problem much longer.

[Ron Madden]

Fine time to turn two

[The Operator]

GIDP!

Way to work out of the jam, Tyler!

[Big Klu]

5-4-yessiree-3!

[Boston Red]

Definitely labored that inning. Sweet finish, though.

[The Operator]

Billy singles to start the bottom of the 3rd.

[Ironman92]

The vaccine can be temporary. Don't count any chickens. Just enjoy the game and write next year's rotation in pencil.

Not a person here goes by that more than I do. I'd be afraid to right it in pencil in fear of jinxing it

[WVRedsFan]

RZ just went through a timeout and freeze and it's not even 10 PM

[Boston Red]

Pirates are playing like a bad Little League team.

[Ironman92]

Bad play by Harrison, but will expect him to make up for it

[Ironman92]

0-2 on Votto...gotta go after him but pitchers nibble around and rarely works....he hits .315 not .815

He's in their head

[The Operator]

Joey just wears guys out. Full count after full count.

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Ball four to Joey. Bases loaded, nobody down for Duvall.

[Ron Madden]

Great AB Joey

[WVRedsFan]

What an at bat!!! Bases loaded, no one out!

[Ironman92]

2 ABby Joey + 1 for Scooter = 30 pitches and 3x on base

[The Operator]

Duvall K's looking on a pretty nasty breaking ball.

[Ironman92]

Duvall with maybe his worst AB of the season

[Boston Red]

Duvall's AB was as bad as Votto's was good.

[The Operator]

Reds are gonna let him wiggle off the hook.

2 down after Scooter pops out.

[Ironman92]

Scooter reminds us of Janish

[Ironman92]

Man wish Suarez was one of these 3 batters

[Ironman92]

Duvall K's looking on a pretty nasty breaking ball.

And with a 1-0 court and pitcher laboring he swings at a pitch 8 inches off the plate and barely made it to the plate.

[The Operator]

Welp.

They had him on the ropes and The Pirates escape unscathed.


1-0 Reds

[Ironman92]

Puke

[Boston Red]

70 pitches through 3 innings...but that sucked.

[BigPoppa]

Bases loaded, nobody out.....

And the Reds do what the Reds do.

[The Operator]

Mahle goes way up and in to McCutcheon

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McCutcheon throwing a fit trying to get catcher interference.

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LOL I hope he and Hurdle both get tossed.

[Ironman92]

Your boy is mad WVRedsfan

[Reds Fanatic]

McCutcheon and Hurdle arguing catcher interference

Or I guess it was actually he was asking for a last second timeout

[Ron Madden]

Mahle goes way up and in to McCutcheon

Nothin wrong with Dustin' Off a hitter every now and then

[The Operator]

So he's mad because he didn't get granted timeout.

Maybe someone should explain to him that you aren't automatically granted time when you ask for it.

[Ironman92]

Mad about not getting timeout

Waaa

[The Operator]

Ball four to Bell.

[WVRedsFan]

Scooter reminds us of JanishEveryday play exposes Scooter

[The Operator]

Mad about not getting timeout

WaaaFrankly I think it's awesome that the ump DIDN'T grant him time.

I'm so sick of seeing batters ask for time and GET IT granted to them after the pitcher starts their windup. It's crap and I still partly blame that for Cueto's 2012 NLDS injury.

[TheTimeIsNow]

Wow. That's the maddest I've ever seen McCutchen get in his 9 year career. I guess that what happens when you're in a 0-14 slump and in one of the worst months of his career.

Oh well. The Bucs need a spark.

[757690]

Tim Wallach giving a very honest scouting report on his son.

[Ron Madden]

Game of inches

[Boston Red]

Free passes hurting Mahle.

[WVRedsFan]

Mahle will probably go five--no more.

[OnBaseMachine]

Mahle continuing the tradition of young Reds starters struggling to throw strikes at the MLB level.

[Big Klu]

Mahle will probably go five--no more.

He may not even get to five.

Due up third in the bottom of the 4th.

[The Operator]

Assuming he gets out of this 4th inning jam I'd be shocked if he didn't go for the 5th.

[The Operator]

K's Taillon to end the fourth.

The walks are a bit surprising but I wouldn't pull him yet. Manageable pitch count and he's only given up 1 really hard hit ball.

[Kc61]

Mahle continuing the tradition of young Reds starters struggling to throw strikes at the MLB level.

Probably he got "messed up in the head" by moving to the bigs. Could have remained a great AAA pitcher, but the Reds broke up his rhythm. Now he's probably scarred for life. LOL, just paraphrasing and exaggerating some posts around here, just kidding around.

Kid is doing fine, nice K to finish the inning, nice easy motion, hopefully will be in the rotation for years to come. Will refine things as time goes forward.

[Boston Red]

Could have been worse. Based on his track record, I don't think we need to worry about Mahle struggling to throw strikes on a regular basis.

[OnBaseMachine]

Probably just nerves. Kid has a great delivery and quality stuff.

[The Operator]

Could have been worse. Based on his track record, I don't think we need to worry about Mahle struggling to throw strikes on a regular basis.

Agreed. Debut jitters I'd say.

[Ironman92]

Mariners 5 errors in the first inning....3 by Segura

[The Operator]

Mahle with his first big league hit!

[Big Klu]

No THom, "Godfather 3" was not a Western.

But "3 Godfathers" was.

[The Operator]

No THom, "Godfather 3" was not a Western.

But "3 Godfathers" was.Un. Believable.

[The Operator]

3-1 Pirates as McCutcheon just taps a ball into the outfield.

They aren't exactly crushing him but they're scoring.

[Ron Madden]

Nice breaking ball

[The Operator]

K's Harrison to end the 5th. 5 IP, 3 ER, 5 K so far

92 pitches

[RiverRat13]

I hate to see the young guys who had great minor league control come up and struggle with walks, but I'm sure that's part of the process of learning what major league hitters will and won't swing at.

[The Operator]

Another full count to Joey

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Votto is responsible for 30 of Taillon's 106 pitches.

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Votto walks.

Surely they'll pull him at 107 pitches with nobody out int he fifth.

[TheTimeIsNow]

If Taillon has any more arm trouble from now on, I will put 100% of the blame on Joey Votto.

[Ron Madden]

I hate to see the young guys who had great minor league control come up and struggle with walks, but I'm sure that's part of the process of learning what major league hitters will and won't swing at.

Maybe he's just a little bit nervous making his Major League Debut

[757690]

Maybe he's just a little bit nervous making his Major League Debut

Castillo showed similar wildness in his debut, but has settled down now.

[The Operator]

Welp, Mahle's day is over so I'm back to my Law and Order marathon.

Yea, I know...

[Ron Madden]

Nice inning from Kevin Shackelford

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Scheb walks to lead off the 6th inning

[Ron Madden]

Pirates 3
Reds 2

after 6 innings

[Ron Madden]

Storen with a clean inning

[WVRedsFan]

Does Billy know how to work a count? Good grief. Bat him low.

[Ron Madden]

Votto walks for the 4th time today

[Ron Madden]

Pirates 3
Reds 2

end of the 7th

[Big Klu]

Bull ****, THom! You are absolutely calling for Votto to be taken out of the lineup, or "saved from himself", as you prefer to call it. "He has only four hits in the last six games." How many times has he gotten on base in that time? Every time you look up, he's on base.

[Ron Madden]

8th inning starting off ugly

[Big Klu]

6-4-yessiree-3!

[Ron Madden]

Great Job to get out of jam Lorenzen

[TheTimeIsNow]

@joe_block: Joey Votto ties most pitches seen in 4 plate appearances or fewer (37) since records kept in 1988.

[Tony Cloninger]

Bull ****, THom! You are absolutely calling for Votto to be taken out of the lineup, or "saved from himself", as you prefer to call it. "He has only four hits in the last six games." How many times has he gotten on base in that time? Every time you look up, he's on base.

Now the thing Big Klu is that I'm not saying I don't like Joey because he's too intellectually above my pay grade and he does not kiss the ring and bend the knee at my fathers presence but really I just need to find anything to get on hm about while letting hitters like Phillips and Hamilton who's game I like better off the hook for their shortcomings.

[Ron Madden]

And the beat goes on

Pirates 3
Reds 2

Going to the 9th

[Tony Cloninger]

You know I've become more grammatically terrible ever since I started using my ipohine to post since it decides what I want to spell even though it isn't correct. I need a new a desktop. My 2008 is obsolete now and Apple demands I spend my money on them.

[klw]

Boy that stadium is quiet.

[Ron Madden]

Damn it mon

[Tony Cloninger]

Well there is your only reliable reliever picking the worse time to have a bad game. Does not matter as this team is not here to win for your amusement.

[WVRedsFan]

Iggy comes in, is ineffective and game over pretty much. Should have won the series, but you know

[Ron Madden]

At least Tyler Mahle, Castillo and Big Sal give us hope for a better 2018

[Tony Cloninger]

Is Billy even trying ? How do you just come to the plate and just whatever all his at bats today.

[WVRedsFan]

Billy needs to sit, but that won't happen

[Big Klu]

29 players have pitched for the Reds this season, and only four of them have an ERA under 4 (as a Red):

Luke Farrell -- 0.00
Raisel Iglesias -- 2.07
Luis Castillo -- 3.26
Wandy Peralta -- 3.41


Only ten of the 29 have an ERA under 5:

Brandon Finnigan -- 4.15
Michael Lorenzen -- 4.28
Drew Storen -- 4.44
Scott Feldman -- 4.77
Sal Romano -- 4.96
Austin Brice -- 4.96

[WVRedsFan]

Poor Adam looks bushed.

[WVRedsFan]

We lose 5-2 and the Bucs win the series. Reprieve from the misery tomorrow. NY on Tuesday.

[Big Klu]

Today's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Pirates RF John Jaso, who was 1-for-2 with a two-run double and 2 BB's.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 68-94.

[Ironman92]

Why don't teams just intentionally walk Votto? If you aren't going to, why waste pitches out of the zone? He will not swing at them. Teams keep wasting pitches.

[cumberlandreds]

Bull ****, THom! You are absolutely calling for Votto to be taken out of the lineup, or "saved from himself", as you prefer to call it. "He has only four hits in the last six games." How many times has he gotten on base in that time? Every time you look up, he's on base.

You know in the Brennaman statistics world walks don't count. Only RBI's and Sac Fly's count. Walks are for wimps.

[Kingspoint]

Duvall lost that game today. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Price should drop him in the order a couple spots. He's struggling too much.

[Patrick Bateman]

Duvall struggles with off speed stuff against righties. It's not a new issue, it just came at a bad time today. Kc said it right in another thread, it's hard to evaluate Duvall on a game to game basis. He's a big play hitter, and when he doesn't get the big play he doesn't contribute as much (his highs are high and his lows are low).

Not worried about the slump. His stats vs righties very steady the last two years. He is what he is, and the end result is still ok, and generally better than the alternative. I think it just makes sense to give him a bit of time off against some tough righties.


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[Ironman92]

Duvall lost that game today. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

Price should drop him in the order a couple spots. He's struggling too much.

Sure wish Suarez was hitting 4th