9/1: Reds visiting the Bucs

[CySeymour]

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[The Operator]

Billy Ball!

Hamilton on 3rd after a SB and throw into CF.

[Tom Servo]

Billy Ball!

Hamilton on 3rd after a SB and throw into CF.
Impending post from TheTimeIsNow

[The Operator]

Cozart walks. Runners on the corner for Joey, nobody out.

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Impending post from TheTimeIsNowThought the same thing, lol.

[kaldaniels]

Impending post from TheTimeIsNow

Tell me about TheTimeIsNow I'm behind on things...

[The Operator]

Joey!

RBI Double and it's 1-0 good guys

[TheTimeIsNow]

Impending post from TheTimeIsNow

I've given up.

[Tom Servo]

Tell me about TheTimeIsNow I'm behind on things...
Just a Pirates fan who pretty much only posts in Reds/Pirates game threads with frustration at how Hamilton and the Reds in general own the Pirates.

[The Operator]

Duvall!

Double makes it 3-0!

[Banshee]

Wow, ambush offense against Cole, go figure. Red kryptonite.

[TheTimeIsNow]

Tell me about TheTimeIsNow I'm behind on things...

He's the annoying Pirates fan that complains every time Billy 'Ty Cobb' Hamilton dominates the Pirates.

[The Operator]

Scooter grounds out, Duvall moves to 3rd.

[The Operator]

Geno K's

[Big Klu]

He's the annoying Pirates fan that complains every time Billy 'Ty Cobb' Hamilton dominates the Pirates.

It really is amazing, though. If Hamilton played against everyone else the way he does against the Pirates, he'd be the MVP.

[Mutaman]

Its not only that he dominates the pirates, but off the top of my head he really seems to dominate them in their own ballpark.

[The Operator]

Scheb K's but it's 3-0 and Cole had a 29-pitch 1st inning.

[BCubb2003]

The Pirates are supposed to be a savvy stats-oriented shifting defensive team, so you'd think they'd have an answer for Billy Hamilton.

[Mutaman]

Over the last 3 years Billy hitting.322 in PNC Park.

[The Operator]

Harrison (Cincinnati native, FYI) flies out after a pesky long AB, 1 down.

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99 mph on the first pitch to Marte.

[The Operator]

Marte walks on a 5-pitch AB. Luis was missing badly in that AB.

[The Operator]

Castillo works around the walk and it's still 3-0 after 1 full.

[Tom Servo]

Not the easiest 1st for Luis but he battles through it.

[The Operator]

Awfully quick 2nd inning for Cole there. 7 pitches.

[The Operator]

Pirates really working Luis deep into counts. 31 pitches with nobody out int he 2nd. One on for Jaso.

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Aye.

Jaso doubles, 3-1

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Luis has great velo tonight but the location has been very bad thus far. Hopefully he gets it figured out.

[The Operator]

Mercer grounds out after another marathon AB.

42 pitches after 1 1/3 IP.

[Tom Servo]

42 pitches and finally the first out in the 2nd inning.

[WrongVerb]

Castillo looks like he's falling off to the side on some of his pitches, which is leading to his control issues.

[The Operator]

Gets ahead of Stewart 0-2 but then he shoots a single past Votto.

3-2

[Tom Servo]

Turner with the David Ross Special, dropping the ball on a play at home.

[Tom Servo]

ugh Joey

[The Operator]

With how great he's been sometimes I forget Castillo is a rookie who skipped AAA.

[The Operator]

It's probably just paranoia but with the Atlanta start and now tonight, I hope there isn't a "Book" getting out on Castillo where you just have to foul enough pitches off until you get something hittable.

Probably nothing, as I said earlier. He's a rookie who skipped AAA so he's bound to have nights like this.

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Marte K's

2nd inning finally over after 58 pitches.

[WrongVerb]

Pitching was different in the past when we had less information. Film at 11.

[Tom Servo]

I'm a fan of Welsh but his whole thing about babying pitchers and injuries is ridiculous. It's not 1970, nobody is going to throw dominate complete games on 100something pitches regularly.

[Kc61]

It's probably just paranoia but with the Atlanta start and now tonight, I hope there isn't a "Book" getting out on Castillo where you just have to foul enough pitches off until you get something hittable.

Probably nothing, as I said earlier. He's a rookie who skipped AAA so he's bound to have nights like this.

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Marte K's

2nd inning finally over after 58 pitches.

There is a book on every young pitcher as he comes through.

I think on Castillo it's that you don't have to worry about the hook. It's fastballl usually, occasional change up.

As Castillo has said himself, he'll get better as the breaking stuff gets better.

[The Operator]

"Duvy" singles

[The Operator]

Scooter!

4-2 Reds

[The Operator]

Geno K's to end the inning.

[The Operator]

Nice slider to K McCutcheon

Hopefully this is the start of him settling down

[Big Klu]

I'm a fan of Welsh but his whole thing about babying pitchers and injuries is ridiculous. It's not 1970, nobody is going to throw dominate complete games on 100something pitches regularly.

I have to be honest, though. I preferred the style of the 70's, 80's, and early 90's over the game of today.

[The Operator]

Back to back K's as Bell strikes out

2 down

[Tom Servo]

I have to be honest, though. I preferred the style of the 70's, 80's, and early 90's over the game of today.
I can't really speak to it because I was born in 1989 but I get it, the game definitely has changed into one dominated by the Three True Outcomes as opposed to some action in every at-bat.

[The Operator]

Freese grounds out after another marathon AB to complete Luis' first 1-2-3 inning.

77 pitches after 3.

[Tom Servo]

Nice inning

[The Operator]

I have to be honest, though. I preferred the style of the 70's, 80's, and early 90's over the game of today.
There is something inherently satisfying about a pitcher going deep into games and especially completing the whole thing.

I think a big part of it in addition to stricter pitch counts is the fact that pitchers are K'ing batters a lot more now. I've been surprised to look back at some of the stats of pretty good pitchers in the past and outside of some of the true greats, a lot of pitchers just didn't K that many guys back in the day.

I love me some K's but they do rack up a pitch count.

[The Operator]

Scheb walks after working a full count.

1 on, nobody down

[The Operator]

Nice 4th inning for Castillo

[Big Klu]

George Grande has been a pleasant change in the booth tonight.

[Kc61]

There is something inherently satisfying about a pitcher going deep into games and especially completing the whole thing.

I think a big part of it in addition to stricter pitch counts is the fact that pitchers are K'ing batters a lot more now. I've been surprised to look back at some of the stats of pretty good pitchers in the past and outside of some of the true greats, a lot of pitchers just didn't K that many guys back in the day.

I love me some K's but they do rack up a pitch count.

Going back to the 1960s and 1970s, there were some great strikeout pitchers then too.

They were just trained differently. They were expected to be workhorses.

The big difference is money. Pitchers get paid so much today that teams don't want to risk overuse and injury.

The ironic thing is that there are probably more injuries now than before.

[The Operator]

Castillo's night is over after 4 innings.

Wojo enters in the 5th.

[The Operator]

George Grande has been a pleasant change in the booth tonight.

Agreed. Less "UN-BELIEV-ABLE"'s is always a good thing.

[Tom Servo]

Not sure what Chris was looking at, Pensacola and Dayton are all playoff bound.

[Raisor]

The ironic thing is that there are probably more injuries now than before.

I think injuries get reported more now. Back when players didn't make much money and had to work side jobs in the offseason they had reasons to not tell anyone they were injured.

[Banshee]

Scoot triples w/ HR interference by Cutch.

[Tom Servo]

Cutch can't make the catch but takes a HR away from Gennett and it's a triple instead.

[Kc61]

I think injuries get reported more now. Back when players didn't make much money and had to work side jobs in the offseason they had reasons to not tell anyone they were injured.

Agree. But today kids are pitching competitively, with work loads, very young. I think that has a role in the injuries, too.

The whole game has changed over the years, rather dramatically. The shorter starts, the bullpens today with 100 MPH guys, going with 12-13 pitchers, four man benches.

Very different. Incredible athletes today, guys like Billy Hamilton, Aroldis Chapman. Different, in some ways better, in some ways worse.

[BCubb2003]

A couple of generations ago, the guys who got injured didn't come back. Now we're constantly hearing about the comings and goings.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm in a hotel in High Point, NC with crappy internet. Can't stream the game and even RZ won't work. Good to see a 5-2 lead, but why did Luis ony go 4?

[Kc61]

A couple of generations ago, the guys who got injured didn't come back. Now we're constantly hearing about the comings and goings.

But even years ago, you knew about the star players. If Marichal, Gibson, Koufax or Drysdale got hurt, you knew, it was well publicized. Then Seaver, Carleton, etc.

And if you followed a team, like I followed the Reds, you would know the injuries. There was no internet, so the knowledge wasn't as widespread, true.

Of course, with some of those guys, they wouldn't miss a turn anyway. They were workhorses expected to pitch every turn.

[Banshee]

I'm in a hotel in High Point, NC with crappy internet. Can't stream the game and even RZ won't work. Good to see a 5-2 lead, but why did Luis ony go 4?

He had 89'ish pitches, 3 guys had 33+ of them, not particularly sharp, just missing on most of his pitches. He's young, glad they got him out of there w/ minimal damage. Baby steps..

[Kc61]

Two nice innings from Asher W. Not sure there's room for him on the forty, but I hope the Reds keep him in the organization for next season.

[WVRedsFan]

He had 89'ish pitches, 3 guys had 33+ of them, not particularly sharp, just missing on most of his pitches. He's young, glad they got him out of there w/ minimal damage. Baby steps..Thanks. I have high hopes for him.

[Kc61]

Vincej pinch hits and grounds to short. Got down the line nicely.

[Banshee]

Thanks. I have high hopes for him.

Same here. His stuff is electric but he's still just here after a short stint in AA. No need to let Price run him like a 10 yr. Cueto type vet.

[Big Klu]

Vincej makes his major-league debut as a PH for Wojo. He is the first Red to wear #12 since Dusty Baker in 2013, and the first Reds player since Edwin Encarnacion in 2007.

[BCubb2003]

But even years ago, you knew about the star players. If Marichal, Gibson, Koufax or Drysdale got hurt, you knew, it was well publicized. Then Seaver, Carleton, etc.

And if you followed a team, like I followed the Reds, you would know the injuries. There was no internet, so the knowledge wasn't as widespread, true.

Of course, with some of those guys, they wouldn't miss a turn anyway. They were workhorses expected to pitch every turn.

True, but you wouldn't have a Homer Bailey or Devin Mesoraco. A lot of them would be "Whatever happened to" guys. Now, we're always talking about how he's hurt again, how badly, how long, how soon, for a bunch of guys.

[WVRedsFan]

Suarez makes it 6-2 with a nice base hit. Streaming working for now.

[Big Klu]

Chris asks a good question: "Who on the Pirates, position by position, would start for the Reds?"

I've got McCutchen, and that's about it.

[WVRedsFan]

Chris asks a good question: "Who on the Pirates, position by position, would start for the Reds?"

I've got McCutchen, and that's about it.

Yep. Their pitching staff is only marginally better.

[Big Klu]

Was Winker activated from the DL today? He is listed as available on Gameday.

[RedlegJake]

You don't have to buy in all the way yet but ya gotta be encouraged by Castillo, Stephenson and Romano (and Mahle) over the last month. I know I'm a lot less discouraged about staff possibilities for 2018 than I was as July ended

[Big Klu]

Wow! Nice play by Suarez and Votto!

[Tom Servo]

Was Winker activated from the DL today? He is listed as available on Gameday.
He was, according to the transactions page. Wonder what that's about. I imagine the expanded roster factors in somehow but I'm pretty sure Winker is still banged up

[WVRedsFan]

Late inning rallies are the Pirates forte.

[Banshee]

Late inning rallies are the Pirates forte.

Hopefully not tonight.

[Big Klu]

Sounds like someone in the crowd has a vuvuzela.

[WVRedsFan]

Even Shack looks good. Good win.

Die Pirates, die.

[Banshee]

Shakelford(sp?) w / a dominant inning and the reds continue their dominance over the Pirates!

[Big Klu]

Tonight's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Adam Duvall, who was 2-for-4 with a double, 2 RBI's, and 2 runs scored.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 70-92.

[WVRedsFan]

Posted on the Pirates' version of RZ:

"The Penguins and Steelers are contenders every year. I really don't need the stress and frustration of the Pirates anymore. It's just not worth it.

Hope things change. I will still be lurking as many of you I call friends. But you won't see me until we start seeing some things happen in the offseason, if they even do."

That's why I am a Bucs Hater.

[The Operator]

Posted on the Pirates' version of RZ:

"The Penguins and Steelers are contenders every year. I really don't need the stress and frustration of the Pirates anymore. It's just not worth it.

Hope things change. I will still be lurking as many of you I call friends. But you won't see me until we start seeing some things happen in the offseason, if they even do."

That's why I am a Bucs Hater.
They'll disappear en mass until the next Pirates winning season when they'll all return and act like they're baseball royalty.

[TheTimeIsNow]

They'll disappear en mass until the next Pirates winning season when they'll all return and act like they're baseball royalty.

Yep. The Pirates, even if they are having a successful season, will always be the 3rd favorite team in Pittsburgh. The Steelers and Penguins consistently competing for championships makes the fanbase worse because if the Pirates are sucking, then people just say, "Screw it. I'll watch the Penguins/Steelers instead."

Pirates winning = "Pittsburgh is the best sports city in the world!! All of our teams are good!"

Pirates losing = "Why would I waste my time watching the Pirates when we have the Steelers and Penguins."

I'm not from Pittsburgh so I could not care less about the Steelers or Penguins. I'm Pirates through and through.