9/10/2017 Redlegs @ Metropolitans

[WrongVerb]

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[WrongVerb]

Peraza starting in CF is...intriguing. I wonder if he's improved any from last year.

[DocRed]

No TV?

[Big Klu]

No TV?

Nope. Evidently they are abandoning Sundays to the NFL.

[mth123]

Peraza starting in CF is...intriguing. I wonder if he's improved any from last year.

I wish he'd play CF all winter. I still think given some reps it's his best defensive position and he'd be a guy who could spell Billy without a huge drop-off if he can take to it. I don't like any of the other in house options in CF.

[Big Klu]

Peraza starting in CF is...intriguing. I wonder if he's improved any from last year.

Perhaps this is a sign that they are considering a supersub role for him, similar to that of Bip Roberts back in the early 90's.

[mth123]

Perhaps this is a sign that they are considering a supersub role for him, similar to that of Bip Roberts back in the early 90's.

Hope so. It's the right role for him.

[Big Klu]

I would prefer Scooter and Geno to be flip-flopped in the order, but other than that I like it.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza doing a solid Hamilton impression so far, single on a soft liner and steals 2nd.

Cozart single and Peraza scores. 1-0 Redlegs.

[WVRedsFan]

Center fielder leads off. Classic Dusty, er, Bryan.

[Tony Cloninger]

Ervin is not that terrible of a CF that he cannot play there. This is BS. I cannot stand this philosophy that Baker and now Price has saddled this team with.

[Tom Servo]

Suarez fouled off a 3-2 pitch and Mets announcers baffled why Price was sending the runners. Same.

He does it again but Suarez walks. Long inning for DeGrom.

Duvall sac fly 2-0 Reds.

Schebler goes down looking to end the frame.

[dougdirt]

I hate Major League Baseball so much.

Game is not on Fox Sports Ohio. Game is not on MLB Network. Game is not on Fox. Game is not on ESPN. Game is IN NEW YORK. Game is free MLB.tv game of the day. People in Cincinnati? You can't watch it. People everywhere else on the planet? YOU GET TO WATCH IT!

I pay for Fox Sports Ohio. I pay for MLB.tv. Unless I'm willing to travel several states away there's no way for me to go to the game. But I can't watch the game because why?

Force me to watch the freakin' Bengals. Good job baseball. Thanks.

[Kc61]

Second and third, no outs, for Mets against Romano in first inning.

One out, strikeout.

Mets score one, 2-1 Reds after one.

[Kc61]

Peraza starting in CF is...intriguing. I wonder if he's improved any from last year.

I wouldn't read too much into it.

Hamilton is out, so Price is probably just looking at a number of guys in CF.

[Tony Cloninger]

I wouldn't read too much into it.

I read it as Price is an ass who doesn't understand the concept of playing younger players when you get the chance.

[klw]

nice sunny day here, winter will be here soon, I will be outside and not watching this. (lunch break from treehouse building atm)

[BCubb2003]

Mets announcers sound so depressed.

[Tony Cloninger]

This guy has good stuff but again like anyone not named Castillo they either refuse to throw a change up or do not understand the value of it.

[Tony Cloninger]

Good grief Keith Hernandez. The Cubs do not miss Chapman as the reason they are not doing better. That's not even top 2 on the list. Talk about just throwing out a name because it's a big name to throw out. I loathe Keith Hernandez and his just for men commercials.

[Tony Cloninger]

Once again 2 outs and Romano just cannot finish it off.

[Mutaman]

One of the boys' many problems is that they don't add on very well.

[Tony Cloninger]

Duvall did better in this AB. But th ump as these guys do call a 2-0 ball a strike. High and wide. But it's 2-0 so I gotta call it a strike.

[RED VAN HOT]

By my count the Mets have outhomered the Reds in this series 8-0. Where is the law of averages when you need it?

[Tony Cloninger]

I can understand Dartanian overpowering them but the other 3 are barely average. You can't blame the big ballpark either.

[Big Klu]

Listening to the Cincinnati.com commerical on the radio with Marty Brennaman and Linda Antus.

Amanda should be worried. ;)

[Tom Servo]

Dropping four straight (as it appears they will) to basically a AAA Mets team in New York is pretty embarrassing.

[mth123]

Wojo entered the game with a 5.84 ERA. Are their still people who want to bring him back next year at age 29?

[WVRedsFan]

Dropping four straight (as it appears they will) to basically a AAA Mets team in New York is pretty embarrassing.

This whole season has been embarrassing.

[mth123]

This whole season has been embarrassing.

Tanking. This loss helps the cause. Not my preference, but it's what they've been doing.

[Tom Servo]

Wojo entered the game with a 5.84 ERA. Are their still people who want to bring him back next year at age 29?
Was anybody saying he should be some lock to return in 2018? I was intrigued by his K/BB but I was certainly never figuring him to be some 2018 solution.

[Tom Servo]

Cozart! :jump:

Tie game

[WVRedsFan]

Tanking. This loss helps the cause. Not my preference, but it's what they've been doing.Sad, but true. I still can't see sitting Ervin, playing Peraza in CF and leading off, and Substituting Kivlehan for Duvall with the pitching change. I get mystified at the lineups and moves. The Cozart HR ties it, but remember, this is a AAA team we're playing. Guess that's appropriate because I'm many ways, the lineup we put out there was only AAA+.

[RED VAN HOT]

By my count the Mets have outhomered the Reds in this series 8-0. Where is the law of averages when you need it?

That's what I'm talking about.

[Big Klu]

Scooter tossed by the home plate umpire.

[757690]

Overly sensitive home plate ump. Scooter was madder at himself than the call.

[Big Klu]

Zach Vincej now at 2B, batting 4th.

[mth123]

Sad, but true. I still can't see sitting Ervin, playing Peraza in CF and leading off, and Substituting Kivlehan for Duvall with the pitching change. I get mystified at the lineups and moves. The Cozart HR ties it, but remember, this is a AAA team we're playing. Guess that's appropriate because I'm many ways, the lineup we put out there was only AAA+.

Ervin is a fringe prospect whose minor league career pretty much told the Reds he's not a CF. They moved him off the position and played guys like Darnell Sweeney and Beau Amaral there instead. He may have a career as a 5th OF who rides the AAAA bus between the big leagues and AAA but he's a .240 hitter in the minor leagues who is more of an offense first corner player. He runs fast but his arm says he's more of a LF than a RF. They don't need to see him every day in September to have an opinion of who he is.

[Tom Servo]

Ervin is a fringe prospect
This is not the popular consensus, only yours. The worst I've seen scouts/writers say is that he might be AAA tweener, which is apparently what you view his ceiling as.

[Tony Cloninger]

He's performed better than AAA tweener so far. What the he'll does it matter if winning does not matter. By definition he should be playing more so they lose more. It's just Price trying to be like Dusty and go with who's been here.

[Mutaman]

By my count the Mets have outhomered the Reds in this series 8-0. Where is the law of averages when you need it?

When Citifield opened it was really hard to hit a HR there. (Although I seem to recall seeing David Weathers give up back to backers). Drove David Wright crazy. Now guys I never heard of are hitting them out. I know they moved the fences in a little but this is ridiculous.

[mth123]

Was anybody saying he should be some lock to return in 2018? I was intrigued by his K/BB but I was certainly never figuring him to be some 2018 solution.

Here is a post that suggested that.


There are several guys who may no longer be deemed "prospects", who would be nice to retain for next season. McGuire, Ross, Wojo, Shackleford are four who come to mind. (Shackleford based on his recent string of scoreless appearances.)


There have been others scattered about the various threads that all run together.

[Tom Servo]

Here is a post that suggested that.
I was with you in that regard, those aren't guys I'm using a 40 Man spot on. I thought you went overboard lumping a guy like Jackson Stephens in with that motley crew though.


Reds go ahead on a Barnhart double, he's had a big game.

[Tony Cloninger]

Schebler ? The stop sign is on and you do that. He's safe because he did not tag him.

[mth123]

He's performed better than AAA tweener so far. What the he'll does it matter if winning does not matter. By definition he should be playing more so they lose more. It's just Price trying to be like Dusty and go with who's been here.

It doesn't really, but I think Peraza has a better chance to be the guy who spells Hamilton in CF than any of the others. I'd rather see him out there every day for the rest of the year. He's pretty rough out there now, but he needs OF reps to find out if he can improve. Ervin has had plenty in his minor league career and the Reds know what they have even if we haven't seen it.

[Bourgeois Zee]

This is not the popular consensus, only yours. The worst I've seen scouts/writers say is that he might be AAA tweener, which is apparently what you view his ceiling as.

I'd argue a AAA 'tweener (which is pretty much the consensus outside of doug) is the very definition of fringe prospect.

[mth123]

I was with you in that regard, those aren't guys I'm using a 40 Man spot on. I thought you went overboard lumping a guy like Jackson Stephens in with that motley crew though.


Reds go ahead on a Barnhart double, he's had a big game.

My point was that Stephens was the least accomplished pitcher they should be interested in. If they need a spot, he should be the first to go. These other journeyman can't even pass that threshold and shouldn't even be in the picture IMO.

[Tom Servo]

I'd argue a AAA 'tweener (which is pretty much the consensus outside of doug) is the very definition of fringe prospect.
Again I'm not sure what consensus you guys are looking at. Going into this year Fangraphs said a platoon guy. Baseball Prosepctus said he could be a solid regular. That's not "5th outfielder riding the bus to Louisville", I haven't seen anybody that down on him outside of Redszone.

Personally, I envision a solid 4th outfielder.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Reds up 7 - 5 after Price intelligently challenges call on field.

[Tony Cloninger]

Scott gets bailed out of his knuckleheadness.

[mth123]

Reds up 7 - 5 after Price intelligently challenges call on field.

They're tanking. That may hurt the draft position. Fire his butt.;)

[mth123]

Again I'm not sure what consensus you guys are looking at. Going into this year Fangraphs said a platoon guy. Baseball Prosepctus said he could be a solid regular. That's not "5th outfielder riding the bus to Louisville", I haven't seen anybody that down on him outside of Redszone.

Personally, I envision a solid 4th outfielder.

Is it the .250BA, the below .400 slugging percentage or the fact that his organization relegated him to being a corner OF that give you that impression? None of that screams big league prospect.

[Tom Servo]

Is it the .250BA, the below .400 slugging percentage or the fact that his organization relegated him to being a corner OF that give you that impression? None of that screams big league prospect.
It's probably the tools and not just the numbers. Try telling the Nationals this year that they should have stopped giving Brian Goodwin playing time because his minor league numbers were disappointing and see what they say.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Again I'm not sure what consensus you guys are looking at.

He's ranked 23rd among Red prospects by Mayo. His blurb mentions a possible Marlon Byrd career, but he's behind Winker, Hamilton, Duvall, and Schebler at the major league level and a questionable CF according to all. That pegs him as a fifth OF. At best.

BP said, in 2016, "...it’s tough to see him becoming more than a fourth outfielder." They followed that up with a comment about his play during the season, "Ervin’s been a mess since returning to Triple A after a quick cup of coffee. The combination of his own poor performance and Scott Schebler’s breakout has Ervin drifting farther away from significant 2017 time in Cincinnati."

The best John Sickels could say about a professional career: "I think it’s possible. No, he’s not going to hit .300 or be the star the Reds originally envisioned, but if he can hit .240-.250, his speed and power should still give him a career."

If he becomes a Chris Heisey type, I'd be tickled to death. I just don't see the (minor league evidence of) power.

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Scott gets bailed out of his knuckleheadness.

How so?

He was safe. It was a good play.

[mth123]

It's probably the tools and not just the numbers. Try telling the Nationals this year that they should have stopped giving Brian Goodwin playing time because his minor league numbers were disappointing and see what they say.

I get the tools. But they basically have never shown up in games since his draft year. Goodwin went .280/.349/.438/.787 in AAA in 2016 and actually did play the majority of his games in CF.

Ervin does have good plate discipline, which is why he's intriguing, but you have to hit for it to matter when making the jump and he really hasn't hit much IMO.

[Tony Cloninger]

He's ranked 23rd among Red prospects by Mayo. His blurb mentions a possible Marlon Byrd career, but he's behind Winker, Hamilton, Duvall, and Schebler at the major league level and a questionable CF according to all. That pegs him as a fifth OF. At best.

BP said, in 2016, "...it’s tough to see him becoming more than a fourth outfielder." They followed that up with a comment about his play during the season, "Ervin’s been a mess since returning to Triple A after a quick cup of coffee. The combination of his own poor performance and Scott Schebler’s breakout has Ervin drifting farther away from significant 2017 time in Cincinnati."

The best John Sickels could say about a professional career: "I think it’s possible. No, he’s not going to hit .300 or be the star the Reds originally envisioned, but if he can hit .240-.250, his speed and power should still give him a career."

If he becomes a Chris Heisey type, I'd be tickled to death. I just don't see the (minor league evidence of) power.

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How so?

He was safe. It was a good play.


Did you watch the play? He ran through the stop sign. Catcher was waiting for him but tagged through him instead of at him. It was not a good play. It was a bad play to run through the sign with 1 out and a worse play by the catcher to bail him out.

[Tom Servo]

Reds go ahead on a Barnhart double, he's had a big game.
Now a three run jack by Tucker

[BCubb2003]

Tucky!

[Tony Cloninger]

I get the tools. But they basically have never shown up in games since his draft year. Goodwin went .280/.349/.438/.787 in AAA in 2016 and actually did play the majority of his games in CF.

Ervin does have good plate discipline, which is why he's intriguing, but you have to hit for it to matter when making the jump and he really hasn't hit much IMO.

Give me his plate discipline and his other tools over Kiev for the bench spot then. I will take that plus the fact I think he could outperform Billy and help the team not wear Hamilton out.

[Big Klu]

Now a three run jack by Tucker

http://tuckerclub.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/tucker-1003.jpg

[mth123]

Give me his plate discipline and his other tools over Kiev for the bench spot then. I will take that plus the fact I think he could outperform Billy and help the team not wear Hamilton out.

If I thought he could do that I'd be with you. The defensive drop alone would be a huge downgrade from Billy. I'm all for getting a 4th Of who can play all three positions adequately with some offensive ability and would allow Billy to sit 30 or so times per year. That isn't Ervin IMO. The Reds have a need to fill in this area IMO.

It could be Peraza if he can develop out there but more likely they need some one from outside the organization.

[_Sir_Charles_]

Helluva game by Barnhart. :thumbup:

[Big Klu]

Today's Joe Nuxhall Star of the Game is Tucker Barnhart, who was 3-for-4 with a single, 2-run double, and 3-run HR, 5 RBI's, 1 run scored, and 1 BB.

[WVRedsFan]

The Reds now know what the rest of the league feels about our bully. Lousy bullpen makes it easy. Nice come from behind win, 10-5, and a win for Stephens. Lousy baseball is no fun to watch unless your guys win.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 70-92.

[Mutaman]

Reds sweep BrewCru, BrewCru sweeps Cubs, Reds lose 3 of 4 to the Maddoffs.

[Tom Servo]

Just watched the clip of Schebler's overturned run scored on the Barnhart double with Marty commentary and he was just burying Schebler, ("he's out and he can't get out of his own way right now") because of course he was.