Iglesias trade talk on MLB Rumors

[Red Raindog]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/twins-interested-in-raisel-iglesias.html

Not sure the Twins have what's needed though

[WrongVerb]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/twins-interested-in-raisel-iglesias.html

Not sure the Twins have what's needed though

In the slobberknocker thread, I proposed:

MIN gets:
RH Raisel Iglesias
1B Nick Longhi

CIN gets:
SS Nick Gordon
OF Zack Granite
RH Zack Littell

I suspect bigger deals are to be had, and I wouldn't deal Iglesias over the winter unless my socks were knocked off. He'll be worth more in July than December.

[RED VAN HOT]

In the slobberknocker thread, I proposed:

MIN gets:
RH Raisel Iglesias
1B Nick Longhi

CIN gets:
SS Nick Gordon
OF Zack Granite
RH Zack Littell

I suspect bigger deals are to be had, and I wouldn't deal Iglesias over the winter unless my socks were knocked off. He'll be worth more in July than December.

I'd aim higher than that. Iggy is a bargain priced closer with four years of control. The Twins are going for it. I'd ask for one of their two top SS prospects and one of their two top pitching prospects. That would be Lewis or Gordon and Gonsalves or Romero. Otherwise, I'd pass. I actually prefer Lewis even though he is further from the big leagues, higher upside with more speed and better plate control.

[Griffey012]

In the slobberknocker thread, I proposed:

MIN gets:
RH Raisel Iglesias
1B Nick Longhi

CIN gets:
SS Nick Gordon
OF Zack Granite
RH Zack Littell

I suspect bigger deals are to be had, and I wouldn't deal Iglesias over the winter unless my socks were knocked off. He'll be worth more in July than December.

I think you have to aim much higher or keep him. This would be a fine deal if Iglesias was a FA after the season or something, but he still has a lot of reasonable team control. I am not sure Granite projects as more than a fringe CF/4th OF. Littell as a back of the rotation type pitcher. Gordon doesn't really carry the upside I want out of the centerpiece of an Iglesias deal. If I am Dick I am asking for Royce Lewis and gladly looking elsewhere when the Twins probably decline.

[SErebel11]

I feel like Minnesota isn't the best fit for the Reds for an Iglesias trade although he would be quite valuable both as a closer and contract wise to Minnesota. They still need to acquire a starting pitcher via FA or trade and if they go the trade route it would make more sense for them to use the best trade chips in that manner. I don't feel like they would include Lewis and he is a ways from contributing on a ML team. I am pretty sure they would strongly consider putting Gordon in a trade as the centerpiece but I think he is more of a safe prospect than one with big upside. Gonsalves makes some sense for the Reds but I am pretty sure that the Twins have him as part of this window as he is knocking on the big league door and they need starting pitching. Gonsalves doesn't really help the Reds solve their CF or SS issues either.

With that said, I think the two teams that pair up best for the Reds are Arizona and Colorado. It would be nice to get them in a bidding war for Iglesias.

Colorado trade for me would look something like this:

Cincinnati trades Raisel Iglesias for SS Brendan Rodgers, C Tom Murphy, OF Jordan Patterson and RHP Jairo Diaz

Rodgers is a top prospect although his approach needs some work evidently. He walked 14 times in 384 plate appearances. That is pretty concerning for me.

Murphy could be the backup catcher and has team control.

Patterson put up good numbers in AAA last season and has some upside. He is a corner OF guy though.

Diaz has a big arm that could develop into a high leverage bullpen guy.

I know this seems to be a lot in return but the Ken Giles trade netted a huge haul for the Phillies just two seasons ago although he had a 5th year of control. He did turn 5 prospects and two of which were top 50 prospects at one time with Vincent Velazquez and Mark Appel.

Arizona has several SS options and Ketel Marte would be a good fit for the Reds.

Cincinnati trades Raisel Iglesias and Michael Lorenzen for SS Ketel Marte, RHP Jimmie Sherfy, RHP Jon Duplantier and OF Gabriel Maciel

Marte could slide into SS next season and has some upside. Sherfy is a practically ML ready bullpen arm that could be a high leverage guy in a couple of seasons. Duplantier is their top SP prospect and Maciel is a young CF prospect.

The issue with trading Iglesias though for 2-3 close to ML prospects is they would likely have to slide on the 40 man roster and the Reds would have to make some more decisions in terms of being set for the rule 5 draft etc.

[M2]

In the slobberknocker thread, I proposed:

MIN gets:
RH Raisel Iglesias
1B Nick Longhi

CIN gets:
SS Nick Gordon
OF Zack Granite
RH Zack Littell

I suspect bigger deals are to be had, and I wouldn't deal Iglesias over the winter unless my socks were knocked off. He'll be worth more in July than December.

That's a sneaky good trade idea.

It hinges on liking Gordon. He took big steps forward with his power and BB rate last season. If you believe those advances are likely to stick and you like his glove, he could fill the team's SS void either late in 2018 or in 2019. Litell is a Mahle type. The Twins have a number of prospect arms in the high minors if the Reds wanted someone else.

The guy I'd swap out is Granite. I prefer Lamonte Wade to him. The Twins also had a killer 2017 draft. One of those kids would seriously sweeten the pot. They've got a AAA C named Mitch Garver who'd make an interesting throw-in too. Main thing is the Twins have got a lot of enticing options when it comes to making a deal. Obviously the Reds have to like what the Twins have got, but Minnesota can put together a 4-for-1 better than most.

[WrongVerb]

That's a sneaky good trade idea.

It hinges on liking Gordon. He took big steps forward with his power and BB rate last season. If you believe those advances are likely to stick and you like his glove, he could fill the team's SS void either late in 2018 or in 2019. Litell is a Mahle type. The Twins have a number of prospect arms in the high minors if the Reds wanted someone else.

The guy I'd swap out is Granite. I prefer Lamonte Wade to him. The Twins also had a killer 2017 draft. One of those kids would seriously sweeten the pot. They've got a AAA C named Mitch Garver who'd make an interesting throw-in too. Main thing is the Twins have got a lot of enticing options when it comes to making a deal. Obviously the Reds have to like what the Twins have got, but Minnesota can put together a 4-for-1 better than most.

Thank you.

I like Granite for a few reasons: He's a true CF, he's been OBP oriented in his minor league career, and he's blocked by Buxton, so he should be available. But I could be persuaded about Wade. I don't know either outside of their numbers, but both look solid (no pun). Granite even had 12/9 BB/K in his first taste of the majors.

[M2]

Cincinnati trades Raisel Iglesias for SS Brendan Rodgers, C Tom Murphy, OF Jordan Patterson and RHP Jairo Diaz

Nifty ideas in general, but if the Rox would put Rodgers on the table I've got to believe they'd win the Iglesias sweepstakes. I'd also like to get OF Raimel Tapia in that deal.

[WrongVerb]

Nifty ideas in general, but if the Rox would put Rodgers on the table I've got to believe they'd win the Iglesias sweepstakes. I'd also like to get OF Raimel Tapia in that deal.

Tapia is good. David Dahl might be another solid target. According to MLB, Dahl is the better CF prospect there.

[lollipopcurve]

Brendan Rogers is a pipe dream, IMO.

As far as the Twins go, I agree that Gordon is a logical target if you think he sticks at SS. Personally, I think there's too much speculation about that too late in the day. If a smaller guy's a ballyhooed prospect, and Gordon has been, and after a full year at AA there's talk he might be a 2B, I wouldn't count on him as a SS. However I am intrigued by some Twins prospects at the lower levels, though: Wander Javier, Brett Rooker, Alex Kiriloff, Blayne Enlow. If they could get 3 of those guys, I'd be on board.

[William]

The biggest question with Nick Gordon isn't his hit tool if you ask me. Its the ability to stay at SS. I worked for the Twins AA team this year and had the chance to watch all the home games. Nick's arm is graded out as a 55 on MLB.com, but I think that is a generous grade. He doesn't have the arm strength to get average runners out when going to his arm side. I believe that he ultimately moves to 2B. He played there for a few weeks this year and looked much better there. Some people believe Jermaine Palacios is going to be the SS of the future in Minnesota.

Zack Littell is an interesting name, and the stuff matches the numbers he put up this year. His CB was one of the better CB's I saw this year. But, if I'm targeting a pitcher from their AA roster, I'm trying to acquire Fernando Romero. He was 97-100 and has an average SL and CH. His numbers aren't all that shiny, but that is due to the last month or so. He was 2 years removed from Tommy John and he said he was just tired. There were games where he was untouchable, not on the level of Kopech, but he was nasty for most of the year.

From things I heard, Brusdar Graterol should be a name to target. Things like "future ace" were said about him. He's still in rookie ball, but he should be a third player to try to acquire.

Lamonte Wade is also a player I really liked. He had the best eye at the plate that I saw all year. I saw several top hitting prospects, and he stood out. In a pinch he can play RF, but his arm could limit him to LF and CF. He's got good power to the pull side, but he's more of a doubles guy. Thought he was honestly a better hitter than Nick Gordon. The only thing with Wade is that his ceiling and floor are very similar to the OF'ers already in the organization. I'd never avoid acquiring players as talented as Wade, but there may be better fits throughout the Twins organization.

[Kc61]

Iglesias is a top closer controllable for three more seasons at a high seasonal salary of $5 million.

I'm not trading him unless I get a prospect in the vicinity of Senzel.

I'll take an outfielder, a shortstop, a pitcher, a second baseman, whatever. But it must be a top, star prospect whom the Reds love, or forget it.

[Chip R]

In the slobberknocker thread, I proposed:

MIN gets:
RH Raisel Iglesias
1B Nick Longhi

CIN gets:
SS Nick Gordon
OF Zack Granite
RH Zack Littell

I suspect bigger deals are to be had, and I wouldn't deal Iglesias over the winter unless my socks were knocked off. He'll be worth more in July than December.

That sounds good because if Cozart doesn't come back and with the loss of Superflous J, the Reds are below their Zach quota. ;)

[757690]

That sounds good because if Cozart doesn't come back and with the loss of Superflous J, the Reds are below their Zach quota. ;)

The most disappointing part of the Reds offseason so far is that they passed on the opportunity to have Zack being backed up Zach at SS.

[Bourgeois Zee]

How about Gordon and Kepler as the main pieces back in a deal for Iglesias?

Kepler's a near 100 OPS+ CF-capable OF who has some serious upside. He's decent against RH but struggles against same-handed pitching (.152/.213/.240, .088 ISO, 5.1% BB, 29.2% K). Might be an outstanding platoon guy, if nothing else (.272/.343/.484, .212 ISO, 9.3% BB, 17.2% K v. RH in 2017). Gordon would be on the Senzel track as a middle infielder. (Hopefully, a SS.)

I'd then send Hamilton to San Francisco for Christian Arroyo and Kyle Crick. Arroyo would become another middle infielder, a SS this season. He could platoon with Peraza (who hits southpaws well), as he has a reverse split. Crick would be a nice bullpen chip, as a live arm who has struggles throwing strikes.

That'd make the Opening Day lineup:

v. RH
Winker LF
Kepler CF
Votto 1B
Gennett 2B
Schebler RF
Suarez 3B
Arroyo SS
Barnhart C

v LH:
Peraza SS
Blandino CF
Votto 1B
Duvall RF
Suarez 3B
Mesoraco C
Herrera 2B
Winker LF

That'd require Blandino to learn CF, but he should be capable. (I'd want him to learn all three OF spots, in addition to 2B, 3B, and SS.) Hamilton would obviously be sent to another team.

[podgejeff_]

After seeing some of the trades for closers with similar contract situations the past few years I think you guys are undervaluing Iglesias.

I'm not trading him for anything less than both Lewis and Gordon. Or Buxton I guess. Honestly I don't think the Twins are going to pay that kind of price for a reliever.

I agree with Kc61 in that ideally I want a top 10 prospect coming back. Pick up the phone with Washington and ask if they wish they could have had Iglesias pitching an inning or two at the end of Game 3 against the Cubs? And then ask if Robles is still worth another year of taking a chance not winning it all with Harper. Or maybe ask the Dodgers if they would rather have Iglesias in a possible Game 2 or 5 situation this year? Buehler would be the asking price.

If the Yankees can get their hauls for Chapman and Miller we can at least match that. If they don't like the price fine, we don't need to get rid of him.

[reds44]

The reds aren’t getting Lewis and Gordon for him lol

[757690]

If the Yankees can get Torres for Chapman and the Braves can get that ridiculous haul for Miller we can at least match that. If they don't like the price fine, we don't need to get rid of him.

Both of those were deadline deals. It’s risky, but the Reds might want to wait until the deadline to deal Iglesias.

[podgejeff_]

The reds aren’t getting Lewis and Gordon for him lol

Either one isn't going to cut it. Considering neither of them are a guarantee to stick at SS, one of them is really far away and isn't showing a lot of power, and the other is OPSing 750 at AA. If Nick Gordon ends up at 2nd after we trade for him that's not good.

I want more than that.

[SErebel11]

Brendan Rogers is a pipe dream, IMO.

As far as the Twins go, I agree that Gordon is a logical target if you think he sticks at SS. Personally, I think there's too much speculation about that too late in the day. If a smaller guy's a ballyhooed prospect, and Gordon has been, and after a full year at AA there's talk he might be a 2B, I wouldn't count on him as a SS. However I am intrigued by some Twins prospects at the lower levels, though: Wander Javier, Brett Rooker, Alex Kiriloff, Blayne Enlow. If they could get 3 of those guys, I'd be on board.

Rodgers likely is a pipe dream but those packages (Colorado and Arizona) are what I would want as a return for the Reds or I would just hang on to him. Not like he must be traded but that is what it would take for me to have interest in my opinion. I don't care for Gordon to be honest especially if it involves Iglesias. Sounds like he may have some name inflation in his evaluations.

[americanoutlaw1]

Both of those were deadline deals. It’s risky, but the Reds might want to wait until the deadline to deal Iglesias.

Stewart got Shelby Miller during the off-season, but he's a starter so I don't know if it's exactly comparable. It that is indeed the Miller being talked about.

[Auzie]

The thing about this situation is there is no pressure on the reds to make a deal so they have to be blown away in order to pull the trigger. I wouldn’t take a deal with Gordon as the centerpiece...

[757690]

Stewart got Shelby Miller during the off-season, but he's a starter so I don't know if it's exactly comparable. It that is indeed the Miller being talked about.

I don't know which one the OP was talking about. I assumed it was Andrew and the Indians.

[podgejeff_]

I don't know which one the OP was talking about. I assumed it was Andrew and the Indians.

You're correct and I'm a dumb. I just wrote down the wrong Miller. I'll edit.

[757690]

You're correct and I'm a dumb. I just wrote down the wrong Miller. I'll edit.

Actually, I was the dumb one, I missed that you said "Braves" lol

[Kc61]

There is no reason to trade Iggy for "fair" value.

He's not expensive. He's a pitcher, which Reds need. He's under control.

The only reason to trade him is a value gap. That a contender needs and values Iggy more than the Reds do.

The acquiring team must provide the higher value it perceives in Iglesias. If it's just a fair exchange, there's no need for Reds to do it.

[WrongVerb]

There is no reason to trade Iggy for "fair" value.

He's not expensive. He's a pitcher, which Reds need. He's under control.

The only reason to trade him is a value gap. That a contender needs and values Iggy more than the Reds do.

The acquiring team must provide the higher value it perceives in Iglesias. If it's just a fair exchange, there's no need for Reds to do it.

This. There's a deal out there, but I suspect it will be a massive haul for the Reds if it happens.

Another SS possibility is Willie Adames from TBR. A deal centered around him might make some sense for both teams.

[M2]

There is no reason to trade Iggy for "fair" value.

He's not expensive. He's a pitcher, which Reds need. He's under control.

The only reason to trade him is a value gap. That a contender needs and values Iggy more than the Reds do.

The acquiring team must provide the higher value it perceives in Iglesias. If it's just a fair exchange, there's no need for Reds to do it.

Good point. The other team needs to make an offer the Reds can't refuse.

[Will M]

There is no reason to trade Iggy for "fair" value.

He's not expensive. He's a pitcher, which Reds need. He's under control.

The only reason to trade him is a value gap. That a contender needs and values Iggy more than the Reds do.

The acquiring team must provide the higher value it perceives in Iglesias. If it's just a fair exchange, there's no need for Reds to do it.

if the team can pull off a deal like the NYY did with Chapman/Miller or the Phillies did with Giles then I'm for it. ie, serious high end talent coming our way and an overpay. if not then keep Iglesias.

[citizen]

Here is something I wonder in relation, if Hunter Greene spent some years in the minors as a pitcher and came to the Reds being somewhat equal in talent to Iglesias, would you consider that good?

[Auzie]

Here is something I wonder in relation, if Hunter Greene spent some years in the minors as a pitcher and came to the Reds being somewhat equal in talent to Iglesias, would you consider that good?

In talent? Yes. Would prefer more durability so he could start though.

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This. There's a deal out there, but I suspect it will be a massive haul for the Reds if it happens.

Another SS possibility is Willie Adames from TBR. A deal centered around him might make some sense for both teams.

Not being a smartass here, why would the rays trade for a closer when they haven’t been very competitive either?

[jwahl]

In talent? Yes. Would prefer more durability so he could start though.

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Not being a smartass here, why would the rays trade for a closer when they haven’t been very competitive either?

They also have the guy that lead the league in saves.

[OhioRiverBarge]

MLBTR breaks down Iglesias trade fits. The top three seem to be Rockies, Nats, Dodgers—in that order. Rockies are losing their big 3 workhorses out of the pen, so they have the biggest need. Though Nats and Dodgers have the big tickets that just might push Dick to pull the trigger (Robles/Verdugo).

Check it:
https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/looking-for-a-match-in-a-raisel-iglesias-trade.html

[Strikes Out Looking]

The best fit for Raisel Iglesias is pitching for the Reds in the 8th and 9th inning. Maybe if the Astros wanted him and offered Keuchel and a prospect (which they wont).

[WrongVerb]

The best fit for Raisel Iglesias is pitching for the Reds in the 8th and 9th inning. Maybe if the Astros wanted him and offered Keuchel and a prospect (which they wont).

I kinda feel this way, although if I'm the Reds and can turn 75 effective innings into 180 effective innings plus a top prospect and another solid prospect, I'm gonna take that option.

[Tom Servo]

I would like to see the Reds sell high on Iggy.

[Bourgeois Zee]

MLBTR breaks down Iglesias trade fits. The top three seem to be Rockies, Nats, Dodgers—in that order. Rockies are losing their big 3 workhorses out of the pen, so they have the biggest need. Though Nats and Dodgers have the big tickets that just might push Dick to pull the trigger (Robles/Verdugo).

If the Dodgers are willing to deal Verdugo for Iglesias, I'd do that deal every day.

Ditto Robles.

Ditto Rodgers.

Talent who plays 150 games and 1300 innings tends to be more impactful than talent who plays 80 - 100 innings.

[corkedbat]

If the Dodgers are willing to deal Verdugo for Iglesias, I'd do that deal every day.

Ditto Robles.

Ditto Rodgers.

Talent who plays 150 games and 1300 innings tends to be more impactful than talent who plays 80 - 100 innings.

Couldn't agree more. I'd be willing to even include Hamilton and even a minor leaguer if it gets it done and the Nats pony up a solid arm in a deal for Robles. I'd look to expand the other options as well.

If they do deal Iggy, I'd take a look at moving Billy and Gennett and then use their projected salaries along with what they're already to spend on those three to try and sign a couple of FA relievers a step up from what they're looking at now. Love Raisel and certainly wouldn't give him away, but if I can deal a closer for FRONTLINE young talent I'd do it in a second. I don't mind keeping a bit though if offers are two or three B/C-level prospects. I do not do it unless there's a top 25-level young'un.

[mattfeet]

I say we wait until he has a domestic violence altercation then sell him for a bag of peanuts.








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[corkedbat]

Speaking of the bullpen,over the last half-century (plus) as a Reds fan, it seemed like the one constant was pretty much a solid bullpen - the Big Red Machine (Eastwick, McEnaney, Carroll, Borbon), The Nasty Boys (Dibble, Jones, Charlton) and quality pens/relievers before & since. The rotation was often a hogepodge, if not a hot mess, but it seemed the pen was there. That's what frustrates me so about (sans Raisel) the bullpen being so putrid. Doesn't seem to me that it should be so hard to put together a league-average relief corp, maybe not the next Nasty Boys, but something reliable & respectable..

I'm I'm the Reds, I go into Spring Training with a camp within a camp - a bullpen bootcamp. I'd cull the 10-12 MiL relievers I believe most likely to be able to help me in the pen in the next three years, I a coach with a knack for developing relievers and maybe a 3 or 4 "guest" instructors who have been successful relievers on the MLB level and I make it a mission to crank out quality, relievers. I tell the guys if you're gonna make it to the Bigs, it's gonna be through the bullpen and I try to generate competition as well as comaraderie. I also find a way to somehow extend it into the regular systems across the top levels (Maybe A+ thru AAA). I make it something for kids in the lower level so shoot for and I develop criteria that is taught across the entire system. Maybe I'd even come up with some kind of title for it to give it some prestige.

My first batch would include guys like Herget, Weiss, Rainey, Hendrix, Mitchell, Tapia, Stock, McKirahan, Hernandez and maybe start culling some starters earlier like Stephens or Davis. One thing I would do is take Mella and start grooming him as a closer immediately. I think the Reds keep their best arms as starters up until the very last moment and I understand - I also agree with it to a point, but I think it almost seems like the pen is a punishment. I think there is something to be said for developing a "relief culture" within the system that prizes top relievers.

I'd designate 1 or even two of the seven relief slots in this year's Reds Opening Day bullpen to these guys if earned, two or three next year and at least three of four by 2020 (I'd say four or five if it weren't for the need for lefties in the pen and the complete dearth of LH relievers currently in the Reds system).

[corkedbat]

I say we wait until he has a domestic violence altercation then sell him for a bag of peanuts.








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