Sec! Sec! Sec! Sec! #7

[WVRed]

Last one is almost to 1,100 posts (surprised nobody caught it) so here goes.

[Tom Servo]

Talk of a Jon Gruden return heats up in Tampa (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/14/talk-of-a-jon-gruden-return-heats-up-in-tampa/)


This seems a lot more likely to me than Gruden going to Knoxville.

[cumberlandreds]

Last one is almost to 1,100 posts (surprised nobody caught it) so here goes.

I closed the other and put #7 in the title of this thread. Thanks for catching it. :thumbup:

[Boston Red]

Side note, why is 1000 posts important? Is there a reason you can't just have threads continue to 10,000 posts?

[GAC]

Side note, why is 1000 posts important? Is there a reason you can't just have threads continue to 10,000 posts?

The mods gave reason in the past, which I accepted as legit; but I think it was primarily to "discourage" long, drawn out arguments and beating a subject to death as a couple.

[cumberlandreds]

The mods gave reason in the past, which I accepted as legit; but I think it was primarily to "discourage" long, drawn out arguments and beating a subject to death as a couple.

I think it is that and there was something about bandwidth and this version of the forum also. The more techy mods could answer that one. :)

[GAC]

Even though I'm considered a B1G guy (just the way I was raised :p ), any more I consider myself more of a fan of college football in all. And I thoroughly enjoy watching SEC games.

Can I ask you SEC fans on here who your respective SEC team is, who you follow/root for?

I know SeaRay is a Vol's fan .... but that's his problem! :mooner:

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The more techy mods could answer that one. :)

Yes ... but could they do it in plain English we'd all understand? LOL

[Assembly Hall]

Even though I'm considered a B1G guy (just the way I was raised :p ), any more I consider myself more of a fan of college football in all. And I thoroughly enjoy watching SEC games.

Can I ask you SEC fans on here who your respective SEC team is, who you follow/root for?

I know SeaRay is a Vol's fan .... but that's his problem! :mooner:

Although I am an IU fan I got ties to the state of Tennessee. I follow the Vols closely myself.

[WVRed]

I think it is that and there was something about bandwidth and this version of the forum also. The more techy mods could answer that one. :)

I️ started a post several years ago that was called “Be the last person to post on this thread”. It got over 10,000 or so replies before the board started slowing down due to the bandwidth of the posts. They moved a lot of the discussions to a board Krono started called the Peanut Gallery that also hosted the political-religious discussion. Don’t know what ever happened to it.

[GAC]

I️ started a post several years ago that was called “Be the last person to post on this thread”. It got over 10,000 or so replies before the board started slowing down due to the bandwidth of the posts. They moved a lot of the discussions to a board Krono started called the Peanut Gallery that also hosted the political-religious discussion. Don’t know what ever happened to it.

The Peanut Gallery got hacked, basically shutdown last year by some fringe internet group that specializes in such things .... so I started this forum last year for a few of us to talk on..... http://letsconnect.forumotion.com/login

Krono and I moderate it. But there is only a handful of RZers on there (small clique I guess) ... but we just wanted another forum to touch base with each other on concerning family, while also continue popular threads we all liked/had on the Peanut Gallery ..... Word Association, Movie Title Thread, Song Title Thread, Last Post.

The one thing we don't talk on there is politics! LOL

Anyone is more then welcome to join.

[Sea Ray]

I know SeaRay is a Vol's fan .... but that's his problem!




It is a problem, I get it. But remember I didn't just sit back on my couch and choose a school to follow. This is where I attended as an undergrad. It's my family now.

[WVRed]

Talk of a Jon Gruden return heats up in Tampa (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/14/talk-of-a-jon-gruden-return-heats-up-in-tampa/)


This seems a lot more likely to me than Gruden going to Knoxville.

I️ never understood the Gruden to Tennessee rumors.

At least Lane Kiffin had some collegiate experience before coming to Knoxville. Gruden was a graduate assistant and has even said he would put a school on probation.

For Gruden to work, he would have to have the best staff in the SEC to compensate for his lack of collegiate experience.

[cumberlandreds]

[QUOTE=GAC;3719610]Even though I'm considered a B1G guy (just the way I was raised :p ), any more I consider myself more of a fan of college football in all. And I thoroughly enjoy watching SEC games.

Can I ask you SEC fans on here who your respective SEC team is, who you follow/root for?

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Kentucky. That makes me a very humble college football fan. A 7 win season for us is Gold!

[GAC]

It is a problem, I get it. But remember I didn't just sit back on my couch and choose a school to follow. This is where I attended as an undergrad. It's my family now.

Yep. Your loyalty is understandable and commendable. Certainly wasn't attempting to deride it - just ribbin' you for all the ribbin' I get for being a Brown's fan. Been a fan for 50+ years. Too old to look elsewhere. I'm going down with the ship (LOL).

[GAC]

Kentucky. That makes me a very humble college football fan. A 7 win season for us is Gold!

Kentucky, like Kansas and a several others, are programs that seem to heavily emphasize (fund/invest/recruit) in their basketball programs -which are highly successful on the national scene. But football? Forget it. And I don't understand why though? Is "building" a successful football program far more expensive on a school's budget then basketball? I don't know.

Isn't ex-Brown QB Tim Couch an SEC announcer for Kentucky?

[cumberlandreds]

Kentucky, like Kansas and a several others, are programs that seem to heavily emphasize (fund/invest/recruit) in their basketball programs -which are highly successful on the national scene. But football? Forget it. And I don't understand why though? Is "building" a successful football program far more expensive on a school's budget then basketball? I don't know.

Isn't ex-Brown QB Tim Couch an SEC announcer for Kentucky?

Couch used to be when UK still had a TV network. But the SEC Network took over for all of that. I haven't seen him in a while so I don't what he does in the broadcasting field now. Jeff Piecoro does the analyst work on radio.

UK missed the boat when Bear Bryant couldn't co-exist with Adolph Rupp. The best years UK have had were during the Bear years in the early 50's. They have played catch up ever since.

[GAC]

Couch used to be when UK still had a TV network. But the SEC Network took over for all of that. I haven't seen him in a while so I don't what he does in the broadcasting field now. Jeff Piecoro does the analyst work on radio.

Found this on Couch ....


Couch currently works for Fox Sports South as an analyst on the weekly show SEC Gridiron Live. He also serves as the color analyst for the SEC Regional Network football package, typically found on Fox Sports Net affiliates in most SEC territories. Current affiliates include Sun Sports, Fox Sports South, Fox Sports Southwest Plus, Fox Sports Houston, Fox Sports Midwest Plus, Fox Sports North Plus, and Fox Sports San Diego.

Tim's doing OK. He married a Playmate (Heather Kozar, 1999 Playmate of the Year). What blew me away was that Heather also briefly dated .....

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/powerlisting/images/d/d0/Mini-Me.png/revision/latest?cb=20121228102716

LOL

[Sea Ray]

I'm sure these things will change daily but here's today's Tennessee coaching update:

https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/Article/Tennessee-Vols-Football-FootballScoopcom-updates-Jon-Gruden-Tennessee-candidates-PJ-Fleck-David-Cutcliffe-Jimbo-Fisher-Mike-Leach-Jeff-Brohm-110480714?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=171114_141530_Tennessee%20Volunteers&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=7F-AB-80-8B-C2-91-25-2B-B3-F0-9B-22-EB-40-F8-05171114_141530TennesseeVolunteers

http://footballscoop.com/news/the-chatter-at-tennessee/

Seems as though Jon Gruden is a no go. Other candidates mentioned as still in the mix:

Jimbo Fisher
David Cutcliffe
PJ Fleck

Jimbo is a very slim chance. I don't think that's a good fit.

I'd love to have either Fleck or Cutcliffe. One guy is a young up and comer and the other is on the other side of his coaching career. I don't know if PJ has anything southern in his blood but I've been a big fan of his for several yrs now.

All in all I still think all signs point to Cutcliffe and that'd be just dandy with me.

[Boston Red]

Coaches who have been successful at Dook have a pretty solid track record in the SEC East.

[WVRed]

I'm sure these things will change daily but here's today's Tennessee coaching update:

https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/Article/Tennessee-Vols-Football-FootballScoopcom-updates-Jon-Gruden-Tennessee-candidates-PJ-Fleck-David-Cutcliffe-Jimbo-Fisher-Mike-Leach-Jeff-Brohm-110480714?utm_source=247Sports%20Newsletter&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_campaign=171114_141530_Tennessee%20Volunteers&utm_content=Link&liveconnect=7F-AB-80-8B-C2-91-25-2B-B3-F0-9B-22-EB-40-F8-05171114_141530TennesseeVolunteers

http://footballscoop.com/news/the-chatter-at-tennessee/

Seems as though Jon Gruden is a no go. Other candidates mentioned as still in the mix:

Jimbo Fisher
David Cutcliffe
PJ Fleck

Jimbo is a very slim chance. I don't think that's a good fit.

I'd love to have either Fleck or Cutcliffe. One guy is a young up and comer and the other is on the other side of his coaching career. I don't know if PJ has anything southern in his blood but I've been a big fan of his for several yrs now.

All in all I still think all signs point to Cutcliffe and that'd be just dandy with me.

Mike Leach is interesting. Curious to see how Vol fans would like a coach who likes to throw 70+ times a game.

[Chip R]

Mike Leach is interesting. Curious to see how Vol fans would like a coach who likes to throw 70+ times a game.

If he won I doubt they would give a crap.

[Tom Servo]

Bruce Feldman‏
@BruceFeldmanCFB

BREAKING: AD Jeff Long is out at #Arkansas per multiple sources.


Not looking good for Bret Bielema.

[WVRed]

If he won I doubt they would give a crap.

I don’t think Leach could win enough games to keep Vols fans happy running the air raid.

Kentucky, yes. Tennessee, no.

[Assembly Hall]

I don’t think Leach could win enough games to keep Vols fans happy running the air raid.

Kentucky, yes. Tennessee, no.

As a Vol fan, I don't care what the philosophy is........as long as it translates to wins. Leach would be a guy that I would take a chance on.

[Chip R]

I don’t think Leach could win enough games to keep Vols fans happy running the air raid.

Kentucky, yes. Tennessee, no.

They didn't have any problems when Spurrier was at Florida. Granted, his offense is different than Leach's but they both throw the ball a lot. Sure, fans are going to complain about stuff. I'll bet there are Bama fans that find stuff to complain about. But, in the end, as long as you are winning no one really cares about how you get there.

[Assembly Hall]

They didn't have any problems when Spurrier was at Florida. Granted, his offense is different than Leach's but they both throw the ball a lot. Sure, fans are going to complain about stuff. I'll bet there are Bama fans that find stuff to complain about. But, in the end, as long as you are winning no one really cares about how you get there.

Spot on. It all matters about wins. When I played high school football my coaches' motto was "To pass is for fun, but to win is to run". Then I watched it unfold before my eyes in Miami coach Don Shula. He went from a coach that went from the running game to tossing it all around through the air. I realize the college game is different, but W's are what it is about

[KronoRed]

If he won I doubt they would give a crap.

Leach has been a coach for 16 years and has an average record of 7-5.

I'd love to see UT hire him ;)

[Tom Servo]

Leach has been a coach for 16 years and has an average record of 7-5.

I'd love to see UT hire him ;)
That's with 'powerhouses' like Texas Tech and Washington State, to be fair.

[Assembly Hall]

Leach has been a coach for 16 years and has an average record of 7-5.

I'd love to see UT hire him ;)

And to his defense, he has never coached at a marquis program either as a HC. Texas Tech and Wazzu? Those aren't power houses IMO. But he did build TT into a school that was talked about. And he is having a very good season this year. Put him at a school where they are football rabid, what could he do? I dunno, but the guy can coach.

[Tom Servo]

The Ol Ball Coach seems to put the Gators out of the Chip Kelly mix


The [next UF] coach is with his team now. The coach we’re going to hire is probably, I would almost 100 percent say is coaching his team today, this weekend, and through the end of the season, and maybe through the bowl game.


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/16/steve-spurrier-seems-to-toss-cold-water-on-chip-kelly-to-florida-rumors/

[Assembly Hall]

Not looking good for Bret Bielema.

Interesting......just saw where the AD did get fired. No it ain't looking good for Bret.

[Rojo Rijo]

The Ol Ball Coach seems to put the Gators out of the Chip Kelly mix


http://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/11/16/steve-spurrier-seems-to-toss-cold-water-on-chip-kelly-to-florida-rumors/

Chip will be the head coach at UF

[KronoRed]

Chip will be the head coach at UF

All the Gator boards have been on fire with that this week.

Just don't see it happening.

[Rojo Rijo]

All the Gator boards have been on fire with that this week.

Just don't see it happening.

The agreement is there, at this point its just working out the fine print. Kelly isn't going to take a job without having every detail and guarantee the way he wants it. No later than Dec 4th it'll be announced. Could be as early as tomorrow.

[Tom Servo]

Texas A&M plans to fire Kevin Sumlin after LSU game (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-plans-to-fire-Kevin-Sumlin-after-LSU-12375659.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)


It's not insanely egregious, they are having a disappointing season, but I think Sumlin is getting kind of a raw deal. Not like his team has collapsed like Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida.

[Assembly Hall]

Texas A&M plans to fire Kevin Sumlin after LSU game (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-plans-to-fire-Kevin-Sumlin-after-LSU-12375659.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)


It's not insanely egregious, they are having a disappointing season, but I think Sumlin is getting kind of a raw deal. Not like his team has collapsed like Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida.

Wow....hmmmmmmmm. He won't be looking for a job for very long.

[WVRed]

Anyone else getting tired of seeing Jimbo Fisher tied to every other SEC opening?

[Revering4Blue]

Anyone else getting tired of seeing Jimbo Fisher tied to every other SEC opening?

* Raises hand *

He's already employed by a CFB blueblood. Other than in-State rival Florida, the remainder of the jobs likely to open are considerably worse jobs than FSU.

[Tom Servo]

Other than in-State rival Florida, the remainder of the jobs likely to open are considerably worse jobs than FSU.
True, but has that necessarily stopped coaches from making similar moves? I don't think Jimbo is going to College Station or Fayetteville though.

I think Dabo and Jimbo will just forever be linked to SEC jobs because of their names, their past, and the fact that they head up successful teams in the the south.

[KronoRed]

Texas A&M plans to fire Kevin Sumlin after LSU game (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-plans-to-fire-Kevin-Sumlin-after-LSU-12375659.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)


It's not insanely egregious, they are having a disappointing season, but I think Sumlin is getting kind of a raw deal. Not like his team has collapsed like Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida.
Consistently being 8-5 might not be a collapse but it's also not competing for anything.

[Tom Servo]

Consistently being 8-5 might not be a collapse but it's also not competing for anything.
Should have thought about that before joining a division with Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, Arkansas, and Mississippi State, I'd say.

[Revering4Blue]

Texas A&M plans to fire Kevin Sumlin after LSU game (http://www.houstonchronicle.com/sports/aggies/article/Texas-A-M-plans-to-fire-Kevin-Sumlin-after-LSU-12375659.php?utm_campaign=twitter-premium&utm_source=CMS%20Sharing%20Button&utm_medium=social)


It's not insanely egregious, they are having a disappointing season, but I think Sumlin is getting kind of a raw deal. Not like his team has collapsed like Arkansas, Tennessee, and Florida.

This is a joke. Talk about delusional fans/alumni...

Though their program is currently in better shape than the Longhorns, A&M is a wannabe blueblood, unlike their rivals in Austin. If you expect 9 plus wins a year, why leave the Big 12 for the SEC?


Wow....hmmmmmmmm. He won't be looking for a job for very long.

UCLA and Arizona State -- Todd Graham will likely be given the heave-ho -- seem like natural fits.

[Revering4Blue]

True, but has that necessarily stopped coaches from making similar moves? I don't think Jimbo is going to College Station or Fayetteville though.

I think Dabo and Jimbo will just forever be linked to SEC jobs because of their names, their past, and the fact that they head up successful teams in the the south.

FWIW, at the risk of sounding like an SEC honk (which I'm not), the general consensus when I lived in ACC Country for 19 years was that both FSU and Clemson were SEC-caliber programs that happen to reside in the ACC.

[texasdave]

This is a joke. Talk about delusional fans/alumni...

Though their program is currently in better shape than the Longhorns, A&M is a wannabe blueblood, unlike their rivals in Austin. If you expect 9 plus wins a year, why leave the Big 12 for the SEC?



UCLA and Arizona State -- Todd Graham will likely be given the heave-ho -- seem like natural fits.

This is neither a joke nor are the fans delusional. A&M isn't a blueblood? So, what? Are the Aggies supposed to just take their 8-5 seasons, stand in the corner and keep their mouths shut? That is loser talk. I applaud Texas A&M for striving for something better. They have enough resources at their disposal, and a will to better themselves. Isn't that what sports is all about, striving to attain higher goals? They may not make it. Heck, they PROBABLY won't make it. But they are getting up and trying. Gig'em, Aggies!

[Revering4Blue]

This is neither a joke nor are the fans delusional. A&M isn't a blueblood? So, what? Are the Aggies supposed to just take their 8-5 seasons, stand in the corner and keep their mouths shut? That is loser talk. I applaud Texas A&M for striving for something better. They have enough resources at their disposal, and a will to better themselves. Isn't that what sports is all about, striving to attain higher goals? They may not make it. Heck, they PROBABLY won't make it. But they are getting up and trying. Gig'em, Aggies!

Believe me, Dave, I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that the Aggies seriously competed right away in the SEC when many an SEC fan -- the types that fit the profile of SEC caricature man -- claimed that SEC defenses would eat Manziel and company alive. Oops...

I'm certainly hoping for the best for the Aggie program, but am concerned that this inevitable firing will result with a be careful what you wish for scenario. I simply take issue with jettisoning a coach who ranks in Aggie history:

1st (Tied) in bowl wins.

2nd in bowl appearances (not including this season).

4th in Win % and has a higher one than Bear Bryant, Gene Stallings and Jackie Sherrill.

5th in A&M History in wins, 1 behind the revered Jackie Sherrill with 5 less games.

And lastly, despite entering the toughest division in college football with a roster that was considered at the time hard-pressed to compete in a marginal Big 12, doubled up the win total of the previous coach.

Also, for the sake of clarity, blueblood status and elite program status are not mutually exclusive - Texas football and IU basketball are prime examples - and regaining elite status is certainly within reach for A&M, I'm not implying otherwise, but, IMHO, it's going to be tough-sledding to expect 9 plus victories every year.

Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving!

[Tom Servo]

Oh boy, Nick Fitzgerlad's leg looks bad.

[WVRed]

Oh boy, Nick Fitzgerlad's leg looks bad.

That’s an understatement.

Wish I hadn’t seen that.

[jojo]

That’s an understatement.

Wish I hadn’t seen that.

I feel very bad for the guy. He might never be the same on those wheels and its a huge part of his game. I've seen some people claim that it was a dirty hit because the defender seemed to roll up on the ankle. But Frankly, I've seen Ole Miss tackle this year. There's no way anyone on their defense could make contact with that kind of intent and precision.

Football is a brutal game and in this day and age of uber athletes, it's amazing that any player, let alone a skill position guy, makes it through a season.

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* Raises hand *

He's already employed by a CFB blueblood. Other than in-State rival Florida, the remainder of the jobs likely to open are considerably worse jobs than FSU.

He'd come to Auburn or to Alabama. We'll see which job opens first.

[jojo]

This is a joke. Talk about delusional fans/alumni...

Though their program is currently in better shape than the Longhorns, A&M is a wannabe blueblood, unlike their rivals in Austin. If you expect 9 plus wins a year, why leave the Big 12 for the SEC?



UCLA and Arizona State -- Todd Graham will likely be given the heave-ho -- seem like natural fits.

It disn't help him by starting off like a shooting star. He really had only one way to go and unfortunately he hasn't been able to do what it took to consistently stay a contender. Gus is/was in the same boat. There's zero reason why either guy shouldn't be in the playoff picture every November with the recruiting base and resources available to their programs.

8-5 aint good enough considering the investments made especially when Texas, Baylor, Tech, Houstan etc can't seem to step up on his watch.

[Tom Servo]

Mississippi State knows Dan Mullen is a pretty hot commodity these days and is prepared to “go all in” to try and keep him in Starkville, a source told SI Friday morning. The 45-year-old Mullen is already getting paid $4.5 million, but word is the school is willing to bump him up to around $6 million and also making an even stronger financial commitment to his staff.


https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/11/24/mississippi-state-dan-mullen-news-coaching-carousel-rumors

[Revering4Blue]

It disn't help him by starting off like a shooting star. He really had only one way to go and unfortunately he hasn't been able to do what it took to consistently stay a contender. Gus is/was in the same boat. There's zero reason why either guy shouldn't be in the playoff picture every November with the recruiting base and resources available to their programs.

8-5 aint good enough considering the investments made especially when Texas, Baylor, Tech, Houstan etc can't seem to step up on his watch.

Striving for 9 plus wins annually is all fine and dandy. But unless you're a school that's in a fortunate position to select, rather than recruit (Ohio State, Alabama, for example), it's not realistic to expect such a season every year. There are just too many variables at work.

If Mullen or a coach of his caliber can be persuaded to make the move to College Station, then, yes, that's more than a justifiable gamble. Gambling that SMU's Chad Morris is the second coming, as many Aggie fans via the internet seem to believe, that's not so much of a justifiable gamble, as you already have a coach who has won more than 12 games in a season before.

[kaldaniels]

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/11/24/mississippi-state-dan-mullen-news-coaching-carousel-rumors

I’m torn on going all in on him. Was his high water mark 2014? If money isn’t an issue, I suppose you keep him. But when do you stop?

[jojo]

Bielema fired.

[WVRed]

Bielema fired.

If you ever wanted to see the Gus Bus depart The Plains, this would be it.

I think it will be Mike Leach.

[jojo]

If you ever wanted to see the Gus Bus depart The Plains, this would be it.

I think it will be Mike Leach.

Jimmy Sexton can't stop talking about Arky and raises.

[KronoRed]

Bielema fired.

On the field after the game, that's as bad as Lane being left at the airport.

[WVRed]

Florida is looking at Scott Frost, but could be facing competition as Nebraska is expected to can Mike Riley.

If Dan Mullen stays put or looks at Rocky Top, what about Dana Holgorsen? He has been mentioned.

Florida’s biggest complaint has been the QB position, and Holgorsen has gotten more out of Will Grier than McElwain did. He would need to be paired with a top defensive coordinator for it to work though.


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[Tom Servo]

In the season of SEC firings, you gotta throw some props to a guy who saved his job in the form of Barry Odom at Mizzou. From 1-5 to 7-5, they might not have faced murderers row but they could easily have gone off the rails after that start.

[jojo]

Looks like there might be close to 80,000 people outside Jordan-Hare after this place fills up today. Gonna be loud inside and out.

[jojo]

WAR EAGLE!!!!

[jojo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZtQbsScCr4

[Revering4Blue]

The Aggies showed little fight tonight with Sumlin dead man walking. So, yes, time for a change.

I'm more than willing to admit that I'm wrong, but no way am I eating crow.

I HATE poultry! :D

[jojo]

It's going to be a turbulent time for alot of programs in the SEC. Big risk changing the entire staff especially with the unknown of early signing this cycle.

Who knows about next week especially given the injuries in the backfield, but nobody has played better than Auburn during the month of November. The Tigers just didn't beat two #1 ranked teams, they dominated both of them.

[Sea Ray]

It's going to be a turbulent time for alot of programs in the SEC. Big risk changing the entire staff especially with the unknown of early signing this cycle.

Who knows about next week especially given the injuries in the backfield, but nobody has played better than Auburn during the month of November. The Tigers just didn't beat two #1 ranked teams, they dominated both of them.

They sure did. Were you surprised they won yesterday? I was not. I was one of only two in our Pick 'em thread that picked Auburn to win. Alabama's struggling with injuries and whatnot right now. I expect the championship game in Atl to be much closer than it was when these 2 teams met a month ago but I'm thinking Auburn will win it. Should be a very exciting game.

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee is expected to announce their hire in the next 36 hrs. They need to do that for recruiting purposes. They not only need a new head coach. They need a house cleaning of coaches. Here they are in the last game of the season and they still don't know who to cover on defense. That's coaching plain and simple. The offense isn't much better.

[Tom Servo]

Dan Wolken‏
@DanWolken

Sources: As the last 24 hours have evolved, Greg Schiano has emerged as the focus of Tennessee’s search. Vols have also been engaged with Mullen, who has been trying to wait out Florida.

[kaldaniels]

From Champions of Life to Schiano Men? I hope UT can do better.

[Tom Servo]

From Champions of Life to Schiano Men? I hope UT can do better.
I have no strong feelings for UT so I don't know if I "hope" for that but yeah, that would be an underwhelming hire.

In other SEC-related silly season news, Sumlin could apparently land on his feet at Arizona State.

[JaxRed]

I think that's a pretty decent hire for Tennessee. I'd been hearing a lot of chatter about Schiano getting a head gig. I like it.

[Assembly Hall]

I thought I read somewhere that Schiano had a part in the Penn St. cover-up?

[Tom Servo]

I thought I read somewhere that Schiano had a part in the Penn St. cover-up?
He knew about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/07/12/greg-schiano-tom-bradley-knew-of-jerry-sandusky-abuse-at-penn-state-documents-show/?utm_term=.5515fc5b4f6f

[Assembly Hall]

He knew about it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2016/07/12/greg-schiano-tom-bradley-knew-of-jerry-sandusky-abuse-at-penn-state-documents-show/?utm_term=.5515fc5b4f6f

Then I don't want that POS at UT. I knew I saw that somewhere. Thank you for the link.

[Tom Servo]

Mullen is reportedly Gainesville bound, I think it’s the right hire.

[KronoRed]

If that and Schiano to UT are real, those are some real underwheling hires for the SEC east.

Unless Tim Tebow/Dak Prescott/Percy Harvin are eligible again I just don't see this working.

[Tom Servo]

Unless Tim Tebow/Dak Prescott/Percy Harvin are eligible again I just don't see this working.
Mullen won games in the SEC with Chris Relf, Tyler Russell, and Nick Fitzgerald too. I don't think Dak (a three star recruit) was everything.

[jojo]

Mullen is reportedly Gainesville bound, I think it’s the right hire.

Once it was clear that McElwain was out, it wouldve been surprising if it would be anyone other than Mullen.

[Sea Ray]

From Champions of Life to Schiano Men? I hope UT can do better.

I agree. I don't understand the fascination with the guy

[KronoRed]

33-39 in the SEC.

2-15 vs ranked teams.

I'm getting excited.

[Boston Red]

I agree. I don't understand the fascination with the guy

He did an amazing job at Rutgers. They were a dumpster fire when he arrived, and they've basically been a dumpster fire since he left.

[KronoRed]

Sumlin fired.

[Tom Servo]

Sumlin fired.
They seem to really believe they can land Jimbo. I'm not buying it.

[RiverRat13]

They seem to really believe they can land Jimbo. I'm not buying it.

Jimbo may be feeling the heat. And FSU may be tired of hearing his name linked with every open SEC job.

[Tom Servo]

Jimbo may be feeling the heat. And FSU may be tired of hearing his name linked with every open SEC job.
It's not so much leaving FSU as much as it is leaving FSU for A&M that I find hard to believe.

[RiverRat13]

I don't blame Vol fans for not wanting Schiano for multiple reasons, but I do think he's the kind of guy who could take the undercoached talent Tennessee has and win pretty quickly there. I don't think he's a guy who gets them to a championship level, though.

[KronoRed]

Wasn't Jimbo going to LSU last year?

[kaldaniels]

I don't blame Vol fans for not wanting Schiano for multiple reasons, but I do think he's the kind of guy who could take the undercoached talent Tennessee has and win pretty quickly there. I don't think he's a guy who gets them to a championship level, though.

Some reports on twitter saying Schiano is having second thoughts after seeing the protests about him.

[WVRed]

They seem to really believe they can land Jimbo. I'm not buying it.

Prediction time:

Mike Leach to Arkansas.

Mike Norvell to Ole Miss

Neal Brown to Starkvegas

Chad Morris to Texas A&M

Thoughts?

[Tom Servo]

Prediction time:

Mike Leach to Arkansas.

Mike Norvell to Ole Miss

Neal Brown to Starkvegas

Chad Morris to Texas A&M

Thoughts?
That looks about right, I too think Leach to Arkansas seems likely. Morris seems like the hire for A&M after they strike out on landing a big fish. We haven't really heard much about who Ole Miss is targeting, at least that I've seen, so I'm curious to see what happens there.

[KronoRed]

Arizona State may cut in on that and get Norvell.

[WVRed]

Some reports on twitter saying Schiano is having second thoughts after seeing the protests about him.

If this is true, it’s hard to tell who would take Tennessee.

I thought they could do better than Schiano, but when fans and even announcers are going into meltdown mode they might be lucky to get somebody decent.

[kaldaniels]

What’s Tuberville up to? These jobs are in his neck of the woods.

[KronoRed]

Angry UT fans might sink Schiano hire.

[Sea Ray]

Angry UT fans might sink Schiano hire.

Good. Let's hope they do

[RedTeamGo!]

Angry UT fans might sink Schiano hire.

That’s awesome, good for UT fans.

I was disappointed when OSU hired him. He helped cover up the PSU child rape scandal. He 100% deserves this negative press and does not deserve a HC job.

[Tom Servo]

That’s awesome, good for UT fans.

Yeah but that includes Clay Travis, I want him to be saddled with Schiano.

[texasdave]

This report is linking Morris to Ole Miss.

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/smumustangs/2017/11/25/smu-head-coach-chad-morris-responds-report-interest-ole-miss-job

[jojo]

If this is true, it’s hard to tell who would take Tennessee.

I thought they could do better than Schiano, but when fans and even announcers are going into meltdown mode they might be lucky to get somebody decent.

I'm a little worried that that program may never climb back out of its hole.

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This report is linking Morris to Ole Miss.

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/college-sports/smumustangs/2017/11/25/smu-head-coach-chad-morris-responds-report-interest-ole-miss-job

I have a hard time being sold on the notion that Ole Miss is going to get name guy given their looming issues and all of the openings.

[jojo]

What’s Tuberville up to? These jobs are in his neck of the woods.

Tubs is done as a coach, I think.

[WVRed]

I'm a little worried that that program may never climb back out of its hole.

Don’t get me wrong Schiano is a pretty underwhelming hire even without the Sandusky issues, but when fan backlash is so strong that it makes coaches think twice about going there it speaks volumes and not in a good way.

If you are Matt Campbell or (insert coach here), do you even talk to Tennessee knowing when the press release comes out there will be torches and pitchforks in the form of a keyboard and radio? I don’t think Tennessee is going to get who they want and it’s going to probably set them back worse than Butch did if Schiano backs out.

[jojo]

Don’t get me wrong Schiano is a pretty underwhelming hire even without the Sandusky issues, but when fan backlash is so strong that it makes coaches think twice about going there it speaks volumes and not in a good way.

If you are Matt Campbell or (insert coach here), do you even talk to Tennessee knowing when the press release comes out there will be torches and pitchforks in the form of a keyboard and radio? I don’t think Tennessee is going to get who they want and it’s going to probably set them back worse than Butch did if Schiano backs out.

When was the last time that the vols actually got who they wanted? There's something rotten there and it's kind of tragic.

[cumberlandreds]

Angry UT fans might sink Schiano hire.

According to ESPN he is sunk.

[KronoRed]

Power to the people.

[BuckeyeRed27]

What a dumpster fire that program is.

[Revering4Blue]

Phoenix native Derek Mason expected to be Arizona State candidate

http://http://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/2017/11/25/vanderbilt-football-coach-derek-mason-reportedly-expected-candidate-arizona-st/895031001/

Influential members of the Arkansas brain trust are interested in Clemson defensive coordinator Brent Venables and Memphis coach Mike Norvell as candidates to fill the coaching vacancy with the Razorbacks, sources familiar with the discussions tell CBS Sports.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/brent-venables-mike-norvell-emerging-as-candidates-at-arkansas/

[Tom Servo]

What a dumpster fire that program is.
I hope they turn around and hire Jeff Fisher, it would be the perfect hilarious ending.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I hope they turn around and hire Jeff Fisher, it would be the perfect hilarious ending.

They’ll be lucky to keep Brady Hoke at this point.

[Revering4Blue]

Bruce Feldman‏ Verified account @BruceFeldmanCFB

Dan Mullen leaving #MissState for #UF, leaves behind a talented team for 2018.. Two names to keep in mind for the HC vacancy there: #Miami DC Manny Diaz (a former MSU asst) and #OhioState Co-OC Ryan Day (like Mullen, an Urban Meyer protege).. Both really smart coordinators.

[KronoRed]

Be interesting to see if OSU welcomes Schiano back.

[Mutaman]

What’s Tuberville up to? These jobs are in his neck of the woods.

He's a color analyst for ESPN and I think he's pretty good. Really knows the game and isn't afraid to say what he thinks.

[jojo]

They’ll be lucky to keep Brady Hoke at this point.

They should be so in on Les Miles that people start wondering if they've turned gay. Not that that's a bad thing.

[RedTeamGo!]

I thought Tubervile was going to run for political office or something?

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Be interesting to see if OSU welcomes Schiano back.

I hope not. Anyone involved with that Penn State program in the 90s doesn’t deserve to coach football.

[jojo]

I thought Tubervile was going to run for political office or something?

He beta tested that app and it failed quality control.

[WVRed]

Wow if true.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171127/d90e687cc4ccaf2c3a7f4401dcf43823.jpg

[jojo]

Wow if true.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171127/d90e687cc4ccaf2c3a7f4401dcf43823.jpg

Ummmm, no.

[kaldaniels]

Tubs is done as a coach, I think.

I figured. But there are so many openings now I wouldn’t be surprised if one went to a “legacy” guy. “Legacy” not being a compliment, it just means they are old.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I thought Tubervile was going to run for political office or something?

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I hope not. Anyone involved with that Penn State program in the 90s doesn’t deserve to coach football.

What happened at Penn State is awful, but that’s a little strong. Schiano didn’t even coach at the same time as McQuerry and this whole thing is based on something he “heard” in a deposition where he had heavy monetary incentive to make the school look bad. If there is ever any actual evidence that he knew something than, yeah he’s done, but this isn’t good enough.

Bottom line UT just let Clay Travis run the athletic department and that is sad and pathetic. They deserve exactly how awful they are going to be for a long long time.

[Revering4Blue]

Per Rebel Grove (via Neal McCready), the school is taking the interim tag off Matt Luke and will make him the school’s permanent coach moving forward.

[Tom Servo]

Per Rebel Grove (via Neal McCready), the school is taking the interim tag off Matt Luke and will make him the school’s permanent coach moving forward.
Guess it makes sense to let him deal with the sanctions and then bring in someone else when they can legitimately compete again.

[Sea Ray]

According to ESPN he is sunk.

Good. We'll take our chances with someone else. Even Lane Kiffin would be preferable to that guy

[WVRed]

On another note, supposedly Scott Stricklin and Dan Mullen did not get along at Mississippi State and now they are back together at Florida.


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[WVRed]

Lane Kiffin: I'm the most hated former UT coach.

Derek Dooley: Nah I think I've got you in that category.

Butch Jones: No way! I'm the most hated and it's not even close!

Greg Schiano: Hold my beer.


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[Sea Ray]

Lane Kiffin: I'm the most hated former UT coach.

Derek Dooley: Nah I think I've got you in that category.

Butch Jones: No way! I'm the most hated and it's not even close!

Greg Schiano: Hold my beer.




I'm fine with where things stand right now. We dodged the Schiano bullet and no matter who they hire, it'll be better than what we've had since Fulmer left. I'm wondering if it might be Sumlin at this point. That would be fine with me. He could even bring some Texas recruits with him. The HC is only part of the deal here. I'm just as interested in who the assistants are

[jojo]

How easy must it be to recruit against the vols in the coming weeks.....

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm fine with where things stand right now. We dodged the Schiano bullet and no matter who they hire, it'll be better than what we've had since Fulmer left. I'm wondering if it might be Sumlin at this point. That would be fine with me. He could even bring some Texas recruits with him. The HC is only part of the deal here. I'm just as interested in who the assistants are

Why would anyone take that job right now?

[WVRed]

Why would anyone take that job right now?

There’s a very good possibility Schiano won’t even be able to return to Ohio State and Tennessee may fire Currie over this.

[kaldaniels]

What’s the take on Schiano here?

A lot of big media types coming to his defense, kinda convincingly.

Need some help on this one...

[BuckeyeRed27]

There’s a very good possibility Schiano won’t even be able to return to Ohio State and Tennessee may fire Currie over this.

Schiano will most definitely be back at Ohio State because our administration isn’t a pack of morons.

Tennessee should fire Currie. He must be beyond incompetent based on this.

[Tom Servo]

What’s the take on Schiano here?

A lot of big media types coming to his defense, kinda convincingly.

Need some help on this one...
I'm fine with the backlash because complicity in the Sandusky scandal is awfully bad, though it is Schiano's word against McQueary's. I tend to believe the latter though.

I do think the legitimate Sandusky issue was unfortunately co-opted by Tennessee fans and alum who were simply opposed to Schiano to begin with and used it as an excuse because they believe they deserve a 'better' coach. Like, if Gruden had any skeleton in the closet, do you think they would have had such an uproar?

[kaldaniels]

I'm fine with the backlash because complicity in the Sandusky scandal is awfully bad, though it is Schiano's word against McQueary's. I tend to believe the latter though.

I do think the legitimate Sandusky issue was unfortunately co-opted by Tennessee fans and alum who were simply opposed to Schiano to begin with and used it as an excuse because they believe they deserve a 'better' coach. Like, if Gruden had any skeleton in the closet, do you think they would have had such an uproar?

https://sports.yahoo.com/tennessee-fans-proof-attack-greg-schianos-reputation-mob-anger-015951492.html

Your second paragraph is accurate.

I guess I’m just wondering...as the article states, this is multi-level heresay. Not an ounce of any more proof. Schiano denied it.

How hard should his feet be held to the fire?

[Stray]

The Twitter mob's derailing of the Tennessee Schiano hire today is 30 for 30 tier. From the outside it was fascinating to watch.

My opinion on the dumpster fire is that Tennessee's entire athletic dept should be fired. I mean yea, it's an unproven allegation in an unsealed sworn testimony, but Schiano has connections to the Penn State scandal. How does an athletic dept not leak his name days ago to float it to the fanbase and gauge reaction? On the surface I don't find it unreasonable for any fanbase to totally reject any coach associated with that scandal, regardless of personal culpability. By not floating his name they set themselves up for today's disaster. While i think it had more to do with the fact that they were getting Schiano and not Gruden, I can't really blame any Tennessee fan who doesn't want a coach who is alleged to have witnessed and covered for what went down at PSU. Like whether it's true or not, I just can't blame any fan for saying no thanks. But the UT athletic dept, through negligence, let this thing totally go full dumpster fire today and now Schiano's rep is forever ruined, whether true or not.

There's been a lot of sports media defending Schiano today, saying things like the Tennessee fanbase was unfair and wrong, which I find interesting on its own, but imo the blame falls entirely on that athletic department. None of them should have a job this time tomorrow. Clean house...this was beyond embarrassing.

[kaldaniels]

The Twitter mob's derailing of the Tennessee Schiano hire today is 30 for 30 tier. From the outside it was fascinating to watch.

My opinion on the dumpster fire is that Tennessee's entire athletic dept should be fired. I mean yea, it's an unproven allegation in an unsealed sworn testimony, but Schiano has connections to the Penn State scandal. How does an athletic dept not leak his name days ago to float it to the fanbase and gauge reaction? On the surface I don't find it unreasonable for any fanbase to totally reject any coach associated with that scandal, regardless of personal culpability. By not floating his name they set themselves up for today's disaster. While i think it had more to do with the fact that they were getting Schiano and not Gruden, I can't really blame any Tennessee fan who doesn't want a coach who is alleged to have witnessed and covered for what went down at PSU. Like whether it's true or not, I just can't blame any fan for saying no thanks. But the UT athletic dept, through negligence, let this thing totally go full dumpster fire today and now Schiano's rep is forever ruined, whether true or not.

There's been a lot of sports media defending Schiano today, saying things like the Tennessee fanbase was unfair and wrong, which I find interesting on its own, but imo the blame falls entirely on that athletic department. None of them should have a job this time tomorrow. Clean house...this was beyond embarrassing.

I think it’s fair to ask, what do you Stray, think of Schiano in regards to the PSU scandal?

To me either he is culpable and doesn’t deserve to be a coach anyway, or there is no proof and he is “off the hook.”

It was a misstep by the UT Athletic Department. But I don’t like phoniness. And the fanbase turning to the PSU scandal reeks of phoniness.

[Stray]

I think it’s fair to ask, what do you Stray, think of Schiano in regards to the PSU scandal?

To me either he is culpable and doesn’t deserve to be a coach anyway, or there is no proof and he is “off the hook.”

It was a misstep by the UT Athletic Department. But I don’t like phoniness. And the fanbase turning to the PSU scandal reeks of phoniness.

I personally think it's unlikely that an assistant would perjure himself in a high profile case like that, but I get that it's unproven, vague and not proof of culpability. Without any inside knowledge obv, I find it believable that a lowly assistant just trying to make it in the industry would recognize that reporting one of JoPa's guys would likely end his coaching career. But again, just my opinion. As for the Tennessee fanbase, or any fanbase/community, I think it's totally fair to say "no thanks" to *anyone* associated with that scandal.

And I do agree there's a lot of phoniness here. Like I said, I think it had more to do with them thinking Gruden and getting Schiano, but for those rejecting based on McQueary's unsealed testimony, I can't blame them.

[Assembly Hall]

I personally think it's unlikely that an assistant would perjure himself in a high profile case like that, but I get that it's unproven, vague and not proof of culpability. Without any inside knowledge obv, I find it believable that a lowly assistant just trying to make it in the industry would recognize that reporting one of JoPa's guys would likely end his coaching career. But again, just my opinion. As for the Tennessee fanbase, or any fanbase/community, I think it's totally fair to say "no thanks" to *anyone* associated with that scandal.

And I do agree there's a lot of phoniness here. Like I said, I think it had more to do with them thinking Gruden and getting Schiano, but for those rejecting based on McQueary's unsealed testimony, I can't blame them.

As a UT fan, I don't want nothing to do with the SOB. If they were to hire him, I would burn everything orange in the house. I have been vocal about the Penn St. stuff in the past. The last thing I need is one of my schools hitching their wagon to someone that knew about child molestation.

[Stray]

As a UT fan, I don't want nothing to do with the SOB. If they were to hire him, I would burn everything orange in the house. I have been vocal about the Penn St. stuff in the past. The last thing I need is one of my schools hitching their wagon to someone that knew about child molestation.

I think this is a totally reasonable stance. Proven or not, I think there is enough here for any Vol fan to say no thanks. I wouldn't want Schiano anywhere near any team I cared about.

[jojo]

I think it’s fair to ask, what do you Stray, think of Schiano in regards to the PSU scandal?

To me either he is culpable and doesn’t deserve to be a coach anyway, or there is no proof and he is “off the hook.”

It was a misstep by the UT Athletic Department. But I don’t like phoniness. And the fanbase turning to the PSU scandal reeks of phoniness.

I think it goes a little deeper....I'd say that this was more like a total rejection of the vol AD leadership.

[KoryMac5]

So Schiano denies saying it...Bradley denies ever saying it...no other proof exists other than McQueary who saw rape occurring in a shower and walked out with it in progress.

[Tom Servo]

So Schiano denies saying it...Bradley denies ever saying it...no other proof exists other than McQueary who saw rape occurring in a shower and walked out with it in progress.
Of course Schiano and Bradley deny it, they want to keep coaching.

[Chip R]

Not even including the PSU stuff, I wouldn't touch Schiano with a 10 foot pole given what happened when he was at Tampa. Stray may have a point about the whole UT athletic department getting the boot. Perhaps that's a bit too far though. I'm sure there are plenty of administrators in there that have nothing to do with the football program. But they have screwed up the last few football hires and now they screwed this up. I think it's safe to say their judgement is lacking.

However, they can salvage this with one name: Peyton Manning. Hire Peyton as head coach. You know he'll be popular with the fan base. You know he can run an offense and after all those years dissecting defenses, he's gotta know something about that too. And what recruit could say no to Peyton if he came into their house wearing his Super Bowl ring with a scholarship offer? Hiring Peyton will make everyone forget about this fiasco.

[Sea Ray]

Why would anyone take that job right now?

$$. I don't think this hurts them nearly as much as has been reported. We'll see where this goes. Simply put Schiano was a bad hire on so many levels.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not even including the PSU stuff, I wouldn't touch Schiano with a 10 foot pole given what happened when he was at Tampa. Stray may have a point about the whole UT athletic department getting the boot. Perhaps that's a bit too far though. I'm sure there are plenty of administrators in there that have nothing to do with the football program. But they have screwed up the last few football hires and now they screwed this up. I think it's safe to say their judgement is lacking.

However, they can salvage this with one name: Peyton Manning. Hire Peyton as head coach. You know he'll be popular with the fan base. You know he can run an offense and after all those years dissecting defenses, he's gotta know something about that too. And what recruit could say no to Peyton if he came into their house wearing his Super Bowl ring with a scholarship offer? Hiring Peyton will make everyone forget about this fiasco.

No way does Peyton Manning randomly become a HC like that.

[medford]

Why would Peyton, after earning a fortune in the NFL, want to spend long weeks on the road in the house of random 16-18 year old kids asking them to come play football for him? Why would Tennessee, a school with a ton of resources want to hire somebody with 0 head coaching experience that hasn't been around the college game for over 20 years? Tennessee "shouldn't" be the kind of place where you just pluck some alum fresh out of the NFL with 0 coaching experience and hand them the reigns. Could it work out? Sure; obviously Peyton knows a ton about football, but nobody reasonably knows if he can run a program, Peyton himself has no idea if he's willing to commit to the crazy type of schedule that most successful college coaches adhere to. The icing, is that while the accusations against Peyton are far different than what happened at Pedo St, Manning would have his own #metoo questions to answer to.

[Sea Ray]

Why would Peyton, after earning a fortune in the NFL, want to spend long weeks on the road in the house of random 16-18 year old kids asking them to come play football for him? Why would Tennessee, a school with a ton of resources want to hire somebody with 0 head coaching experience that hasn't been around the college game for over 20 years? Tennessee "shouldn't" be the kind of place where you just pluck some alum fresh out of the NFL with 0 coaching experience and hand them the reigns. Could it work out? Sure; obviously Peyton knows a ton about football, but nobody reasonably knows if he can run a program, Peyton himself has no idea if he's willing to commit to the crazy type of schedule that most successful college coaches adhere to. The icing, is that while the accusations against Peyton are far different than what happened at Pedo St, Manning would have his own #metoo questions to answer to.

I'm following this very closely and I haven't seen anything that suggests Peyton is a candidate. I don't think this is his life's desire. Were he to make this his next passion he could be successful if he has the right assistants around him but talk of him coaching is folly at this point.

[medford]

I agree, if that is what he wanted, and was willing to put in the hours required, I think he could be very good at it, I wouldn't doubt him, however that is a ton of hours for a dude with a ton of money. Coaching is a grind, a constant grind.

[Chip R]

I'm following this very closely and I haven't seen anything that suggests Peyton is a candidate. I don't think this is his life's desire. Were he to make this his next passion he could be successful if he has the right assistants around him but talk of him coaching is folly at this point.

I haven't seen this anywhere. This is just my idea coming out of thin air. No, he doesn't need the money. But after being out of the game for a couple of years, he might want to get back in it. Maybe he's bored doing commercials. And where better than his alma mater? It may not be his desire but we keep hearing about Jon Gruden coming back into coaching but that's just wishful thinking on the part of fans and the media. He certainly hasn't given any inclination that he's ready to go back into coaching. As for Peyton, you're not going to know until you ask. Do a selling job on him. Tell him that he's the one to fix what's wrong in Knoxville. Tell him that this could be his next challenge. As for recruiting, he's the closer. You don't even use him - except for phone calls and such - until you are ready to close on a kid. You think Saban hits the road all the time? He's probably the closer at Bama too. What HS QB is going to say no to come play for Peyton Manning? It's not just QBs either. Kids respect pro players who are winners and who have won it all. Peyton fits the criteria. He comes in and shakes a kid's hand and says something like, "Oh, don't mind my Super Bowl ring." Kids will get bug-eyed when they see that. Yes, he has to have the right assistants. So does every coach. He'd probably have a similar effect on coaches that he'd have on kids. As for his baggage, few people care about that any more. The people who would hire him won't. Vol Nation won't.

[Sea Ray]

What happened at Penn State is awful, but that’s a little strong. Schiano didn’t even coach at the same time as McQuerry and this whole thing is based on something he “heard” in a deposition where he had heavy monetary incentive to make the school look bad. If there is ever any actual evidence that he knew something than, yeah he’s done, but this isn’t good enough.

Bottom line UT just let Clay Travis run the athletic department and that is sad and pathetic. They deserve exactly how awful they are going to be for a long long time.

We'll see. Penn State was in a lot worse position than UT and they turned it around in short order. Big screwup with Currie and I agree his head should roll. I fear Haslam is to blame as well. I don't want him to make the Vols into the NFL Browns which he owns. He obviously knows nothing about football

[jojo]

I don't see any chance that UT would hire a guy with essentially zero coaching experience to be their head coach.

I think it would be a stretch to hire him as a QB coach straight up without him first having a track record of doing that.

[Assembly Hall]

Would the Vols reach out to Lane Kiffen?

[Chip R]

I don't see any chance that UT would hire a guy with essentially zero coaching experience to be their head coach.

How'd that work out for them the last few times hiring experienced coaches?

[Sea Ray]

Would the Vols reach out to Lane Kiffen?

I doubt it. The fan base hates him too

[BuckeyeRed27]

$$. I don't think this hurts them nearly as much as has been reported. We'll see where this goes. Simply put Schiano was a bad hire on so many levels.

Did you have issues from a football standpoint or from this PSU stuff?

[Sea Ray]

Did you have issues from a football standpoint or from this PSU stuff?

I have issues from a football stand point. Given his history at TB he's an SOB. He's another Butch Jones. I want a charismatic guy. I don't like the PSU connections either. As I learn more about this, I don't think UT looked very hard. They went with the lowest hanging fruit. AD Currie said that he's known Schiano and his family for many years. Haslem seems to not want to go beyond his Ohio connections. This was not a good hire and I'm glad it was squelched. What concerns me is that the guy who thought GS was a good hire will make the next choice. We don't have time to fire the AD right now

[Todd Gack]

Did you have issues from a football standpoint or from this PSU stuff?

Both. He's a 'meh' hire and I want nothing to do with that staff at PSU. Everyone was guilty in some way or another. No way someone like Schiano was that ignorant.

I'm a University of Miami (FL) fan and he's a former coach there. That's where he started out. . . . . and I hate the guy. In fact, most UM fans dislike him. Schiano was always a guy "we" (UM fans) wanted him as a coach. We knew what he was like at UM and we knew what we'd get. He's not a head coach. He's an above average coordinator.

[Tom Servo]

NoleGameday‏
@NoleGameday
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Jimbo Fisher: "I'm not going to talk about coaching jobs right now."

[BuckeyeRed27]

I have issues from a football stand point. Given his history at TB he's an SOB. He's another Butch Jones. I want a charismatic guy. I don't like the PSU connections either. As I learn more about this, I don't think UT looked very hard. They went with the lowest hanging fruit. AD Currie said that he's known Schiano and his family for many years. Haslem seems to not want to go beyond his Ohio connections. This was not a good hire and I'm glad it was squelched. What concerns me is that the guy who thought GS was a good hire will make the next choice. We don't have time to fire the AD right now

Ok that's all fair. If that would have been the response to the hire by the fan base I would have understood, but bringing up the PSU stuff to justify what you just said is gross to me.

There are seems to be a perception issue within the UT fanbase right now. They think they are a top 5 job and they aren't. Everyone else outside the program thought Schiano was a good hire, it was almost universally applauded. Maybe you're correct that how this was handled won't hurt who they hire, but I don't agree. I think how this looks combines with where the program is really at is going to lead to an extremely disappointing hire to that fan base. Like I think there is a chance Brady Hoke is the next coach.

[Sea Ray]

Ok that's all fair. If that would have been the response to the hire by the fan base I would have understood, but bringing up the PSU stuff to justify what you just said is gross to me.

There are seems to be a perception issue within the UT fanbase right now. They think they are a top 5 job and they aren't. Everyone else outside the program thought Schiano was a good hire, it was almost universally applauded. Maybe you're correct that how this was handled won't hurt who they hire, but I don't agree. I think how this looks combines with where the program is really at is going to lead to an extremely disappointing hire to that fan base. Like I think there is a chance Brady Hoke is the next coach.

I don't think we can generalize about the "fanbase". I think their reasons vary too much. They know they're not top 5 but they're better than Derek Dooley and Butch Jones too.

[Sea Ray]

Here's an opinion from the UT "fanbase":


Schiano has major issues that in my opinion make him a very poor choice.
1) he had just over a .500 record in a weak big east conference
2) he was an absolute failure in the nfl
3) he is notorious for being loathed by his players and has incredibly poor relationships with his players
4) his ethics are deplorable ( putting “hits” on players, etc)
5) his turning a blind eye on Sandusky is just the tip of his issues

In short Currie either has horrendous judgement or was negligent in his vetting.
One must question his abilities and the confidence we have in him.

I think the fanbase gets it. They've got better judgment than the AD

[Tom Servo]

Bruce Feldman‏
@BruceFeldmanCFB
6m6 minutes ago


Hearing that #USC OC Tee Martin, a #Vols legend who led UT to a national title, has a legit shot at the #Tennessee HC vacancy in the wake of yesterday’s mess.

[Sea Ray]

Everyone else outside the program thought Schiano was a good hire, it was almost universally applauded.


If he is such a great hire, why was no other program pursuing him?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Here's an opinion from the UT "fanbase":



I think the fanbase gets it. They've got better judgment than the AD

1. Anyone quoting the record at Rutgers as being disappointing is either being dishonest or doesn't know anything about college football.
2. True. But he isn't trying to get an NFL coaching job
3. Some former players don't like him. Some do. This isn't a reason to hire or not hire someone.
4. I'm going to trust Urban Meyer and Bill Belicheck's opinion on this and they say that's not true
5. I've already addressed this and I don't think at this point he did turn a blind eye. If he did nothing else matters, but we don't know that.

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If he is such a great hire, why was no other program pursuing him?

Apparently he turned down 2 offers last off season.

[Sea Ray]

Read this artice and see if you'd still hire him:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000268792/printable/greg-schiano-loses-tampa-bay-buccaneers-with-autocratic-style

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1. Anyone quoting the record at Rutgers as being disappointing is either being dishonest or doesn't know anything about college football.
2. True. But he isn't trying to get an NFL coaching job
3. Some former players don't like him. Some do. This isn't a reason to hire or not hire someone.
4. I'm going to trust Urban Meyer and Bill Belicheck's opinion on this and they say that's not true
5. I've already addressed this and I don't think at this point he did turn a blind eye. If he did nothing else matters, but we don't know that.

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Apparently he turned down 2 offers last off season.

Would you like him to replace Urban when Meyer calls it quits?

[Assembly Hall]

You Buckeye fans better look in the mirror. The Penn St. "incident" was deplorable. Schiano was part of it.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Read this artice and see if you'd still hire him:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000268792/printable/greg-schiano-loses-tampa-bay-buccaneers-with-autocratic-style

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Would you like him to replace Urban when Meyer calls it quits?

You know who else failed in the NFL? Nick Saban. NFL success or failure doesn't really translate to college. They are different animals.

And at the moment, no if he were to replace Urban Meyer today I would be disappointed. But OSU is one of the best 2 or 3 jobs in college football right now and I think we could get someone better than him. I don't think UT can. For example, I think all things being equal Schiano would be better than Tee Martin.

[Sea Ray]

You know who else failed in the NFL? Nick Saban. NFL success or failure doesn't really translate to college. They are different animals.

And at the moment, no if he were to replace Urban Meyer today I would be disappointed. But OSU is one of the best 2 or 3 jobs in college football right now and I think we could get someone better than him. I don't think UT can. For example, I think all things being equal Schiano would be better than Tee Martin.

The Penn State connections don't bother you?

Saban didn't get press like that when leaving Miami. Schiano just doesn't pass the character test.

I can't speak to last year but this year there are tons of coaching vacancies. If he's not a serious candidate for one of them then something's up.

[Revering4Blue]

The latest Tennessee coaching rumor: David Cutcliffe as HC; John Chavis as DC; Tee Martin as OC/HC in-waiting.

[Sea Ray]

The latest Tennessee coaching rumor: David Cutcliffe as HC; John Chavis as DC; Tee Martin as OC/HC in-waiting.

That would be dandy. Any clue on the source? I called for Cutcliffe weeks ago

[RedTeamGo!]

You Buckeye fans better look in the mirror. The Penn St. "incident" was deplorable. Schiano was part of it.

Not even remotely comparable.

[kaldaniels]

You Buckeye fans better look in the mirror. The Penn St. "incident" was deplorable. Schiano was part of it.

It’s not that open and shut.

If you want to err on the safe side (and the error would be to falsely “convict” an innocent Schaiano) that’s reasonable and just say so.

But it’s not a proven fact at all that he was complicit.

[Revering4Blue]

That would be dandy. Any clue on the source? I called for Cutcliffe weeks ago

Likely not the most credible source, but it was a followup post within a tweet from either Bruce Feldman or Dennis Dodd from a poster/tweeter whose handle profile lists him as an SEC correspondent for a South Carolina newspaper. In any case, should Cutcliffe get the nod, the aforementioned scenario seems plausible.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The Penn State connections don't bother you?

Saban didn't get press like that when leaving Miami. Schiano just doesn't pass the character test.

I can't speak to last year but this year there are tons of coaching vacancies. If he's not a serious candidate for one of them then something's up.

It gave me a pause when it came up a couple years ago. The source of it is complete hearsay and it appears to have been investigated fully so unless there is actual evidence beyond "I heard a guy said a guy once saw something" I'll live with it. The Penn State stuff is as bad as it can get, but you can't burn everyone who was in the building just because they were in the building. I think I read (looking for the article but can't find it now) there are 22 active coaches who coached at Penn St in the 1990s. Should they all be banned from football and just guilty by association? That seems very unfair.

There really haven't been that many vacancies yet that I think he would have been seriously considered for actually. The ones that have come up so far seemed to have a specific person in mind. I think because of this story he won't come up for any more this offseason.

[Revering4Blue]

After checking back up today we are told there is a faction at Tennessee who believes University leadership might step in, allow John Currie to go find a new job (in a nice way of putting it) and quickly make Phillip Fulmer their new athletic director.

Should that happen, sources we have spoken with believe Fulmer would bring David Cutcliffe in as head coach. As we wrote over the past two weeks (here and here), Cutcliffe was on Tennessee’s radar throughout this search.

If Currie is allowed to continue to lead the search, there is buzz within the profession the search could turn to former Vols quarterback — and current USC offensive coordinator — Tee Martin to appease the fan base. The other two names mentioned were Jeff Brohm or Mike Leach. It is unknown if either of those two would commit to Tennessee at this time.

http://footballscoop.com/news/update-tennessees-coaching-search-monday-november-27/

[kaldaniels]

It gave me a pause when it came up a couple years ago. The source of it is complete hearsay and it appears to have been investigated fully so unless there is actual evidence beyond "I heard a guy said a guy once saw something" I'll live with it. The Penn State stuff is as bad as it can get, but you can't burn everyone who was in the building just because they were in the building. I think I read (looking for the article but can't find it now) there are 22 active coaches who coached at Penn St in the 1990s. Should they all be banned from football and just guilty by association? That seems very unfair.

There really haven't been that many vacancies yet that I think he would have been seriously considered for actually. The ones that have come up so far seemed to have a specific person in mind. I think because of this story he won't come up for any more this offseason.

I have to say I’ve been trying to mine Twitter for more info on this matter but my IQ is dropping like a brick after reading comments from both sides.

[Sea Ray]

Likely not the most credible source, but it was a followup post within a tweet from either Bruce Feldman or Dennis Dodd from a poster/tweeter whose handle profile lists him as an SEC correspondent for a South Carolina newspaper. In any case, should Cutcliffe get the nod, the aforementioned scenario seems plausible.

Here's what I wrote 3 weeks ago:


A possibility. Obviously he's an unknown as a head football coach. I'd like to see David Cutcliffe brought in and I wouldn't mind bringing back the Chief, John Chavis, as def coordinator. I don't think Tex A&M cares about keeping him

http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?112539-SEC-Football-Discussion-6&p=3719169&viewfull=1#post3719169

[Revering4Blue]

Here's what I wrote 3 weeks ago:



http://www.redszone.com/forums/showthread.php?112539-SEC-Football-Discussion-6&p=3719169&viewfull=1#post3719169

I remember that post well. Even throwing out the UT ties, it'd be a sound move. Granted, there's speculation out there that Cutcliffe, given his age, would be reluctant to make the move, but with a possible succession plan in place, who knows?

Regardless, this is still a top-tier job (Doubtful there are 25 jobs out there better than this one), and with the $$ reportedly thrown around, the absolute worst case for a hire, IMHO: someone like Bryan Harsin of Boise State.

In other words, don't expect Brady Hoke to be roaming the sidelines in Knoxville next year.

[jojo]

The latest Tennessee coaching rumor: David Cutcliffe as HC; John Chavis as DC; Tee Martin as OC/HC in-waiting.

That might be good enough to get Tee Martin a raise, but I'm not sure it'll get him to move.

[Revering4Blue]

That might be good enough to get Tee Martin a raise, but I'm not sure it'll get him to move.

As a Mobile, Alabama native, Martin has been rumored as a candidate for the South Alabama HC job, FWIW.

I don't see him moving to Knoxville unless he's, indeed, HC or HC in-waiting, though.

[Revering4Blue]

On the surface, I have very little logical/conventional reasoning to believe that Fisher would leave FSU for College Station, but, for some reason, I have a hunch that he just may do so.

As others have pointed out, the resources are certainly there, and given that he previously (if you believe the reports) flirted with the LSU job -- IMHO, a tougher job than A&M, though we can argue all day -- the timing seems reasonable.

[Todd Gack]

Ok that's all fair. If that would have been the response to the hire by the fan base I would have understood, but bringing up the PSU stuff to justify what you just said is gross to me.

There are seems to be a perception issue within the UT fanbase right now. They think they are a top 5 job and they aren't. Everyone else outside the program thought Schiano was a good hire, it was almost universally applauded. Maybe you're correct that how this was handled won't hurt who they hire, but I don't agree. I think how this looks combines with where the program is really at is going to lead to an extremely disappointing hire to that fan base. Like I think there is a chance Brady Hoke is the next coach.

Who else was vying for Schiano's services? He's not a guy a lot of big programs are looking to hire nor will any other 'big' program hire him. Just because he said "A couple of schools called me last year" means nothing. His name is hardly ever associated with coaching searches.

[Chip R]

It could be that UT is going to owe Schiano a lot of money.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/11/26/greg-schiano-tennessee-volunteers-memorandum-understanding

[WVRed]

It could be that UT is going to owe Schiano a lot of money.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/11/26/greg-schiano-tennessee-volunteers-memorandum-understanding

I believe I posted something similar to this a lot earlier in this thread but yeah. That would give Tennessee incentive to fire Currie (if they didn’t have it already)

[WVRed]

3. Some former players don't like him. Some do. This isn't a reason to hire or not hire someone.

Given who Schiano would have been replacing this is a pretty good reason not to hire him.

Butch wasn’t exactly popular for how he treated his players.

[Chip R]

Wasn't UT ranked in the top 10 - or thereabouts - at the beginning of the season?

[Sea Ray]

Wasn't UT ranked in the top 10 - or thereabouts - at the beginning of the season?

Not this year. 2016 they started #7

[Sea Ray]

It could be that UT is going to owe Schiano a lot of money.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/11/26/greg-schiano-tennessee-volunteers-memorandum-understanding

Let's put this to bed once and for all. This document was not signed by all necessary parties:




http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2017/nov/27/mou-schiano/457941/



KNOXVILLE — University of Tennessee chancellor Beverly Davenport did not sign a memorandum of understanding between Tennessee and Greg Schiano.

Chancellor's office spokesman Ryan Robinson confirmed that to the Times Free Press on Monday, the day after Tennessee backed away from a deal that would have made Schiano the school's next football coach.

Yahoo! Sports reported Sunday that Tennessee athletic director John Currie and Schiano signed a memorandum. Shortly thereafter, Sports Illustrated published a legal analysis explaining that if all the necessary parties had signed the memorandum, Schiano could sue the university.But without Davenport's signature, the memorandum could lack legal credibility if Schiano were to pursue litigation against Tennessee.

When UT agreed to a contract with men's basketball coach Rick Barnes in 2015, the memorandum had to be signed by four parties: the UT athletic director, the UT chancellor, the UT treasurer and Barnes.

Similarly, when former football coach Butch Jones signed a memorandum 2012, it had to be signed by the UT athletic director, the UT chancellor, the UT treasurer and Jones.

That's not to say that Schiano won't pursue some compensation but he doesn't have this to hang his hat on. My guess is they'll quietly settle on some amount but it'll be chump change to an athletic dept the size of UT's

[Assembly Hall]

The Penn St. outrage will continue with every coach that was involved with the program. Right, wrong, or indifferent. Just the way it is. But I don't/didn't want that bastard at Rocky Top. Hell, I would have kicked the Lions out of the B1G if I was in charge.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Let's put this to bed once and for all. This document was not signed by all necessary parties:



That's not to say that Schiano won't pursue some compensation but he doesn't have this to hang his hat on. My guess is they'll quietly settle on some amount but it'll be chump change to an athletic dept the size of UT's

He’s definitely going to sue UT and he should. He will probably end up getting around $5M if I had to guess.

[WVRed]

He’s definitely going to sue UT and he should. He will probably end up getting around $5M if I had to guess.

Basically enough to make him go away.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The latest Tennessee coaching rumor: David Cutcliffe as HC; John Chavis as DC; Tee Martin as OC/HC in-waiting.

Cutcliffe has said no and is staying at Duke.

[Todd Gack]

Let me ask this: When Urban fakes another heart attack, will OSU fans welcome Coach Schiano with open arms as the next head coach for the foreseeable future?

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He’s definitely going to sue UT and he should. He will probably end up getting around $5M if I had to guess.

Why? Just because they decided to change their mind?

[WVRed]

Why? Just because they decided to change their mind?

A memorandum of understanding was in place but wasn’t signed by Tennessee. It’ll be up to a judge to decide.

Not to mention the damage to Schianos reputation

[Sea Ray]

A memorandum of understanding was in place but wasn’t signed by Tennessee. It’ll be up to a judge to decide.

Not to mention the damage to Schianos reputation

What did Tennessee do to damage his reputation? They've maintained that he's clean.

[WVRed]

What did Tennessee do to damage his reputation? They've maintained that he's clean.

The university has but the fans and even state representatives are another story.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171128/18ea26f9896edb81dd31eab172441893.jpeg

[Sea Ray]

The university has but the fans and even state representatives are another story.



No doubt but how do you go about suing them?

[medford]

Cutcliffe has said no and is staying at Duke.

I recall reading several years ago (heck, maybe even a decade ago) when Cutcliffe's name was being brought up (may have been during one of Tennessee's prior coaching searches) that he has some sort of minor medical condition (I think heart) where basically he doesn't want that high pressure, high stress, high expectation kind of job; he likes being the QB coach/offensive coordinator at a major program, or being the head coach at a place like Duke that doesn't expect ACC titles, just wants an entertaining product on the field.

Below is not the article that I remember reading, but it does highlight his medical conditions and reasoning for stepping away from ND as their QB coach

http://www.und.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/060105aac.html

I don't know if this is his reasoning, perhaps he's found a way to move beyond, I'm sure he still has his own high expectations at Duke, probably higher than most fans expectations, but perhaps he's seen thru the looking glass based upon his time at Ole Miss and realizes Duke is a great fit for him in both football and life.

[jojo]

The university has but the fans and even state representatives are another story.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20171128/18ea26f9896edb81dd31eab172441893.jpeg

Literally, the UT athletic department is a steaming pile of smelly dysfunction right now that is headed by an AD who was completely emasculated by a few donors and some people on social media making it pretty likely that he's a short timer and the next football hire wont end well but the university can't be sued for the actions of fans and state representatives.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Let me ask this: When Urban fakes another heart attack, will OSU fans welcome Coach Schiano with open arms as the next head coach for the foreseeable future?

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Why? Just because they decided to change their mind?

I already answered your first question when Sea Ray asked me a couple pages ago, but no I wouldn't be excited to have Schiano. That has more to do with where Ohio State is as a program right now and who I think we can get as a coach. If Ohio State was where UT is right now, than yes I would be happy to have a coach who has shown he can turn around a program already.

[WVRed]

I already answered your first question when Sea Ray asked me a couple pages ago, but no I wouldn't be excited to have Schiano. That has more to do with where Ohio State is as a program right now and who I think we can get as a coach. If Ohio State was where UT is right now, than yes I would be happy to have a coach who has shown he can turn around a program already.

I’m going to venture to say Ohio State will have a succession plan in place when Urban decides to hang it up, barring unforeseen circumstances.

But it won’t be Greg Schiano. It’ll probably be a young up and coming coordinator we don’t know anything about yet. If what Urban is doing is working, why bring in someone from the outside to mess things up?

[WVRed]

Next coach in line to get a raise:

http://es.pn/2iZEiww


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[jojo]

I think a thing many fanbases never seem to understand is that it's actually pretty rare for an "elite", proven (championship winner kind of guy), big name hire to change programs. They generally retire (or fake heart issues when staring at decline).

Most of the SEC coaches of the last decade didn't make lateral moves. They stepped up from a lesser position or program. Saban is about the only guy in like forever, who wasn't climbing up to his new job. You might argue Bielema given he only went to Arky, but really he thought he was going to run with the big boys and ride the SEC into championships.

[WVRed]

I think a thing many fanbases never seem to understand is that it's actually pretty rare for an "elite", proven (championship winner kind of guy), big name hire to change programs. They generally retire (or fake heart issues when staring at decline).

Most of the SEC coaches of the last decade didn't make lateral moves. They stepped up from a lesser position or program. Saban is about the only guy in like forever, who wasn't climbing up to his new job. You might argue Bielema given he only went to Arky, but really he thought he was going to run with the big boys and ride the SEC into championships.

I don’t disagree with this. I think when a coach gets fired the first names to pop up are so unrealistic. Living in West Virginia, I can guarantee if Dana Holgorsen were to leave (and he may if Okie Junior opens if Tennessee hires the Mullet), Nick Saban would be the first name on fans wish lists because he’s from Fairmont.

What’s interesting though is Florida and possibly Tennessee if the Gundy rumors are true (probably a raise), you will have two big name hire coaches. Granted, they’ve never won championships, but they’ve been successful in places that are typically hard to win at. Most of the other coaches are the Kirby Smarts or the Gus Malzahns on the world.

[Tom Servo]

What’s interesting though is Florida and possibly Tennessee if the Gundy rumors are true (probably a raise), you will have two big name hire coaches. Granted, they’ve never won championships, but they’ve been successful in places that are typically hard to win at. Most of the other coaches are the Kirby Smarts or the Gus Malzahns on the world.
I think Gundy is a really good coach which is why I'm surprised he'd look to jump in the mess in Knoxville.

[WVRed]

I think Gundy is a really good coach which is why I'm surprised he'd look to jump in the mess in Knoxville.

His alma mater is Oklahoma State as well. He’s flirted with jobs in the past though, including when Tennessee hired Butch.

I would honestly equate hiring Gundy to Kentucky hiring Calipari. I read a comment that Tennessee was attracted to Gundy because of his mullet, but the fact that he was a football coach was an added bonus.

[Todd Gack]

I think a thing many fanbases never seem to understand is that it's actually pretty rare for an "elite", proven (championship winner kind of guy), big name hire to change programs. They generally retire (or fake heart issues when staring at decline).

Most of the SEC coaches of the last decade didn't make lateral moves. They stepped up from a lesser position or program. Saban is about the only guy in like forever, who wasn't climbing up to his new job. You might argue Bielema given he only went to Arky, but really he thought he was going to run with the big boys and ride the SEC into championships.

Most UT fans you'd ask knew they weren't getting Gruden. It was a pipe dream. But they thought for sure they'd get someone better than a mediocre guy like Schiano.

Hell, Alabama lucked into Saban. Jojo, who did Alabama 'unofficially' sign to be the head coach before he backed out right before Saban committed?

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His alma mater is Oklahoma State as well. He’s flirted with jobs in the past though, including when Tennessee hired Butch.

I would honestly equate hiring Gundy to Kentucky hiring Calipari. I read a comment that Tennessee was attracted to Gundy because of his mullet, but the fact that he was a football coach was an added bonus.

FYI, there were rumors that Gundy was on the hot seat in Stillwater hence the reason he could be leaving.

[Todd Gack]

I already answered your first question when Sea Ray asked me a couple pages ago, but no I wouldn't be excited to have Schiano. That has more to do with where Ohio State is as a program right now and who I think we can get as a coach. If Ohio State was where UT is right now, than yes I would be happy to have a coach who has shown he can turn around a program already.

Tennessee is also in a better place than where Schiano is at.

Schiano's reputation isn't ruined if every other college program agrees with Urban Meyer, Bill Belicheck, and company. He'll be just fine being an above average DC or mediocre head coach.

[RedTeamGo!]

I wonder if UT fans would morally object to Peyton Manning becoming head coach.

He actually did sexually assault a female trainer, after all.

Spoiler: they wouldn’t care.

[Assembly Hall]

I think Gundy is a really good coach which is why I'm surprised he'd look to jump in the mess in Knoxville.

The Okie St. AD?

[jojo]

Most UT fans you'd ask knew they weren't getting Gruden. It was a pipe dream. But they thought for sure they'd get someone better than a mediocre guy like Schiano.

Hell, Alabama lucked into Saban. Jojo, who did Alabama 'unofficially' sign to be the head coach before he backed out right before Saban committed?

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FYI, there were rumors that Gundy was on the hot seat in Stillwater hence the reason he could be leaving.

If you believe Hal Moore, he only had Spurrier, Saban, and Rich Rodriguez on his list. Legend has it that RR said no so you're probably thinking of RR.

[RedTeamGo!]

If you believe Hal Moore, he only had Spurrier, Saban, and Rich Rodriguez on his list. Legend has it that RR said no so you're probably thinking of RR.

Clay Travis has been pushing the RR thing on national media last couple of days as a rationalization for leading a public tar and feathering (which I kind of fell for).

[Tom Servo]

The Okie St. AD?
T. Boone Pickens has the real power in Stillwater and he's butted heads with Gundy. Like I said about Jimbo yesterday, my surprise isn't so much these guys looking elsewhere as much as it is the rumored destination. Tennessee isn't a horrible job generally but it's a mess right now and it seems like you'd be setting yourself up for failure by taking it.

[Todd Gack]

If you believe Hal Moore, he only had Spurrier, Saban, and Rich Rodriguez on his list. Legend has it that RR said no so you're probably thinking of RR.

Ahhh, it was Rich Rod. Apparently they mutually agreed but his wife was listening to sports talk radio and realized how crazy their fans were.

[Assembly Hall]

T. Boone Pickens has the real power in Stillwater and he's butted heads with Gundy. Like I said about Jimbo yesterday, my surprise isn't so much these guys looking elsewhere as much as it is the rumored destination. Tennessee isn't a horrible job generally but it's a mess right now and it seems like you'd be setting yourself up for failure by taking it.

You taught me something new today. I recognized the name, but I had no idea he gave so much money to Okie State.

[WVRed]

You taught me something new today. I recognized the name, but I had no idea he gave so much money to Okie State.

The stadium is named after him.

[Assembly Hall]

The stadium is named after him.

I don't follow them at all. I just know he is a rich man.

[Sea Ray]

All indications are it's Gundy. If that's the case then Tennessee's demise has been much exaggerated. Talk of them getting a nobody will have been shown to be misguided. Next thing to watch is who his assistants will be

[BuckeyeRed27]

All indications are it's Gundy. If that's the case then Tennessee's demise has been much exaggerated. Talk of them getting a nobody will have been shown to be misguided. Next thing to watch is who his assistants will be

That would indeed be a great hire. Let's see if he's just trying to get some more of that sweet T. Boone cash though.

[jojo]

All indications are it's Gundy. If that's the case then Tennessee's demise has been much exaggerated. Talk of them getting a nobody will have been shown to be misguided. Next thing to watch is who his assistants will be

Umm, next thing is to actually hire a HC before interviewing the assistants.

[Sea Ray]

That would indeed be a great hire. Let's see if he's just trying to get some more of that sweet T. Boone cash though.

Exactly. There's always that possibility

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Umm, next thing is to actually hire a HC before interviewing the assistants.

Umm...of course the HC comes first. Are you worried about losing your D coordinator to us?

[WVRed]

That would indeed be a great hire. Let's see if he's just trying to get some more of that sweet T. Boone cash though.

I don’t see Pickens and Holder doubling his salary. That said, Gundy is essentially trading in T Boone Pickens for Jimmy Haslam and a more irrational fanbase.

[Todd Gack]

Once again, Gundy is supposedly butting heads with OSU leadership (aka Pickens) which is why his name has been leaked to be "on the hot seat" lately. It's not as shocking as it would appear for him to come to Knoxville.

Also, personally, I love Gundy but from a pure football standpoint it would be an overrated hire.

[Tom Servo]

Dan Mullen already getting busy.


The nation’s No. 1 overall recruit will receive a visit Tuesday from Dan Mullen.

The new Florida coach plans to see 5-star quarterback Justin Fields, who is from Harrison High School in Kennesaw, Ga.

Fields was targeted heavily by the previous UF staff, but the coaches stopped recruiting him after landing a commitment from Matt Corral in July.

Fields committed to Georgia last month, but told 247Sports’ Kipp Adams on Monday that he’ll consider taking an official visit to Florida. He also spoke highly of Mullen and his success with quarterbacks.

“I don’t really have a great relationship with Coach Mullen, but just seeing his past quarterback experience and the troubles Florida have had at the position, he should be able to help them get back to where they were with Tim Tebow,” Fields told 247Sports. “I know he’s coached Dak Prescot and Alex Smith and I hear he is a pretty good quarterback coach. I think he will turn Florida around and make them a successful program.”

https://www.seccountry.com/florida/dan-mullen-justin-fields-florida

[Todd Gack]

So have we found out what other jobs major programs are beating down on Schiano's door for his services yet?

[Sea Ray]

So have we found out what other jobs major programs are beating down on Schiano's door for his services yet?

That's the lost story in all of this. If he's really such a great coach then why aren't these other schools clamoring for him? I heard one person say "after what Tenn did to him he'll never get another job." Well what did Tenn do? It's the fans, the Governor and the boosters who shot him down. I'd like to know if any other school would accept him as a head coach. I doubt it

[BuckeyeRed27]

So have we found out what other jobs major programs are beating down on Schiano's door for his services yet?

The speculation from last off-season was Oregon and South Florida.

[Todd Gack]

The speculation from last off-season was Oregon and South Florida.

Man, even South Florida passed on Schiano? (Allegedly) Woof.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Man, even South Florida passed on Schiano? (Allegedly) Woof.

Apparently it was the other way around in both cases. But who knows.

[paulrichjr]

Apparently it was the other way around in both cases. But who knows.

I do think that the recent mess with all of the sex allegations coming out on a daily basis is part of the reason this exploded. Things have changed just over the past couple of months and with all the UT has gone through over the past decade the fans just didn’t need that hanging over the program.

Honestly though many fans that didn’t want him are now calling for TN to hire Kiffin. Amazing.

[paulrichjr]

This article does a great job explaining the situation. I’m beyond estatic that the fans rose up and said no to Haslam. This was about sex second. It was more about people being tired of Haslam destroying another football team and using his money to get his way.

https://slate.com/sports/2017/11/greg-schianos-allies-in-the-sports-media-love-him-because-hes-an-authoritarian-bully.html

[Chip R]

This article does a great job explaining the situation. I’m beyond estatic that the fans rose up and said no to Haslam. This was about sex second. It was more about people being tired of Haslam destroying another football team and using his money to get his way.

https://slate.com/sports/2017/11/greg-schianos-allies-in-the-sports-media-love-him-because-hes-an-authoritarian-bully.html

So let's say that a school was going to hire a coach. However, there are rumors out there that he may have made some racially insensitive remarks in the past. Nothing on tape but there are rumors out there. The administration vets him and can't prove that he actually said anything like that. But the players get wind of the rumor and decide to protest the potential hire. Do they have the right to do that? If the fans can influence the administration like that why can't the players?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Gundy turned down the offer and is staying at Okie St.

[Tom Servo]

Gundy turned down the offer and is staying at Okie St.
Right move, IMO. There will be other, better SEC jobs available to him in the future.


Brett McMurphy says Penn State offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead is getting the Mississippi State job.

[WVRed]

Brett McMurphy says Penn State offensive coordinator Joe Moorhead is getting the Mississippi State job.

Who?

[Sea Ray]

This article does a great job explaining the situation. I’m beyond estatic that the fans rose up and said no to Haslam. This was about sex second. It was more about people being tired of Haslam destroying another football team and using his money to get his way.

https://slate.com/sports/2017/11/greg-schianos-allies-in-the-sports-media-love-him-because-hes-an-authoritarian-bully.html

Excellent article but it doesn't mention anything about the Haslam bros. Do we know where they stood on this hire? This author is bringing up the same point I have. Why is the media standing up for this guy? What has he done to deserve their protection? I liked this line from the article:


The school’s plan to sneak Schiano in through the back door didn’t work. The outrage here, according to the Schiano Men at Yahoo and Sports Illustrated, is that someone was watching the back door.

I'm proud of the way the Tenn fans shot this down. The travesty is how the higher ups at the university didn't vet him properly. They should have known better. We fans have now lost confidence in their judgment.

[Tom Servo]

Who?
Former head coach at Fordham in New York where he actually won, which is no easy feat. He's been the OC for Penn State the last two years and overseen that great offense.

[RedTeamGo!]

Who?

The offensive coordinator of Penn State that is thought highly of.

[WVRed]

Gundy turned down the offer and is staying at Okie St.

I don’t know about a raise, but he probably just used Tennessee to get some extra job security.

Guess I can post this now:

.#Vols
Fans - We want Tee, a UT legend!

UTAD - Let's call Cutcliffe, a UT legend

Fans - Not leaving Duke. Tee!

UTAD - Let's call Brohm

Fans - SMH, TEE MARTIN!

VFLs - We'll come work for Tee Martin!

Sources - Tee is interested!

Recruits - Tee? Yes!

UTAD - Maybe Mike Gundy

[paulrichjr]

So let's say that a school was going to hire a coach. However, there are rumors out there that he may have made some racially insensitive remarks in the past. Nothing on tape but there are rumors out there. The administration vets him and can't prove that he actually said anything like that. But the players get wind of the rumor and decide to protest the potential hire. Do they have the right to do that? If the fans can influence the administration like that why can't the players?


The players often do influence stuff like this and you would have to have your head in the sand to believe otherwise.

He was a bad choice that was made by basically one rich guy who has too much power at the school. It isn’t about that he was the best man for the job because his track record as a coach is very poor and filled with questionable tactics such as his ridiculous stunt he pulled against the Giants at the end of a game with Tampa Bay. It was simply about the same people that have destroyed the Cleveland Browns are also trying to and are doing a pretty good job of destroying the Vols. The money men not named Haslam at Tennessee knew nothing about this hire because it was all orchestrated by one man.... don’t think for a second that they didn’t feed the fire to block it. They along with the fans are tired of being mediocre or worse and are ready to go after someone that can fix it without all of the baggage that Schiano brought to the table. The Vols are the number one or number two most profitable football program in the nation...including Bama. The potential is huge.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don’t know about a raise, but he probably just used Tennessee to get some extra job security.

Guess I can post this now:

.#Vols
Fans - We want Tee, a UT legend!

UTAD - Let's call Cutcliffe, a UT legend

Fans - Not leaving Duke. Tee!

UTAD - Let's call Brohm

Fans - SMH, TEE MARTIN!

VFLs - We'll come work for Tee Martin!

Sources - Tee is interested!

Recruits - Tee? Yes!

UTAD - Maybe Mike Gundy

Recruits are excited about Tee Martin?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Recruits are excited about Tee Martin?

As a quasi USC fan, you can have Tee Martin. I’ll drive him to the airport myself.

[medford]

So I was listening to Clay Travis interview Lane Kiffin on the drive in this morning. I found Lane to be surprisingly honest (or perhaps seemingly honest as there is no way for me to know how truthful he was being in his responses) and didn't give canned answers to any of the questions, even the question about seeking the Tennessee job (said his agent is the same agent as several people that were discussed, and since they didn't ask his agent specifically about him, he hasn't given it much thought knowing that they don't have much interest). Would have been much easier for him to say that he has not had any discussions with anyone from Tennessee and is excited to continue coaching at FAU. I actually found myself coming away from the interview sort of liking Lane, which I never thought would have been possible.

[Chip R]

So I was listening to Clay Travis interview Lane Kiffin on the drive in this morning. I found Lane to be surprisingly honest (or perhaps seemingly honest as there is no way for me to know how truthful he was being in his responses) and didn't give canned answers to any of the questions, even the question about seeking the Tennessee job (said his agent is the same agent as several people that were discussed, and since they didn't ask his agent specifically about him, he hasn't given it much thought knowing that they don't have much interest). Would have been much easier for him to say that he has not had any discussions with anyone from Tennessee and is excited to continue coaching at FAU. I actually found myself coming away from the interview sort of liking Lane, which I never thought would have been possible.

Hmmm. He was going to be on Dan Patrick this morning too. Is he promoting something?

[medford]

^^
No specific product that I heard, though I didn't get to listen to the whole thing. Wouldn't surprise me if he was on just to promote himself, which would be a total Lane move, but when you are the coach at FAU, its totally worth it, and he came off great. Wonder how he sounded on Dan's show; he honestly surprised me with many of his answers.

[dabvu2498]

Hmmm. He was going to be on Dan Patrick this morning too. Is he promoting something?Himself!

[Tom Servo]

Jimmy Hyams‏
@JimmyHyams

Source: Tennessee is closing in a deal with Purdue coach Jeff Brohm. UT interviewed Chad Morris of SMU last night but apparently UT favors Brohm.

[Chip R]

Himself!

Well, yes, and I was half kidding with that. People do talk shows in a cluster when they have a movie or book or some kind of deal to promote. Now if he was just on Clay Travis that wouldn't be a big thing. But since he was on another show in the same day, it's a little more significant. Is he trying to get another coaching gig?

[RedTeamGo!]

Sounds like it’s Brohm to UT.

Hmm, ok? I wonder who UT will hire in 2021.

[Todd Gack]

Sounds like it’s Brohm to UT.

Hmm, ok? I wonder who UT will hire in 2021.

A bit salty, ehh? So much for the 'UT coaching search is a disaster' narrative after hiring a solid young coach infinitely better than that putz DC at OSU.

No one will say anything, but UF also landed their #3 choice. The only difference that the quality went down with each choice. At least with UT's hire, they got better going from Schiano to Gundy to Brohm.

[Tom Servo]

It's not official, btw.


Bruce Feldman‏
@BruceFeldmanCFB

SOURCE: Nothing is imminent regarding a #Tennessee coaching hire. Reports that a deal is almost done w/ #Purdue coach Jeff Brohm are not accurate.

[BuckeyeRed27]

A bit salty, ehh? So much for the 'UT coaching search is a disaster' narrative after hiring a solid young coach infinitely better than that putz DC at OSU.

No one will say anything, but UF also landed their #3 choice. The only difference that the quality went down with each choice. At least with UT's hire, they got better going from Schiano to Gundy to Brohm.

This narrative around Schiano is fascinating. I had never heard before Sunday anyone who thought he was anything less than a very solid college coach who was for sure going to be the head coach at a major program again soon.

I like Brohm a lot and think he is a really good coach and would be a nice hire for UT. But he just went 6-6 and if he stayed at Purdue another 2 or 3 years the best he could probably do is maybe 9-3, which would basically make him Greg Schiano at Rutgers.

[Rojo Rijo]

A bit salty, ehh? So much for the 'UT coaching search is a disaster' narrative after hiring a solid young coach infinitely better than that putz DC at OSU.

No one will say anything, but UF also landed their #3 choice. The only difference that the quality went down with each choice. At least with UT's hire, they got better going from Schiano to Gundy to Brohm.

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[jojo]

Brohm would be a largely uninspiring hire but he did something that Butch couldn't do this year....beat Mizzou.

[RedTeamGo!]

A bit salty, ehh? So much for the 'UT coaching search is a disaster' narrative after hiring a solid young coach infinitely better than that putz DC at OSU.

No one will say anything, but UF also landed their #3 choice. The only difference that the quality went down with each choice. At least with UT's hire, they got better going from Schiano to Gundy to Brohm.

Lol wut?

Couldn’t care less about Schiano, frankly I was glad he was leaving.

Brohm is an upgrade from Gundy? Have you been drinking?