Reds Claim Kyle Crockett From Indians

[camisadelgolf]

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2017/11/reds-claim-kyle-crockett-from-indians.html


The Reds announced on Monday that they’ve claimed left-handed reliever Kyle Crockett off waivers from the Indians. Crockett, 25, was designated for assignment in Cleveland last week as the team set its 40-man roster in advance of the Rule 5 Draft.

Crockett was a fourth-round pick back in 2013 and was the first player from that draft class to reach the Majors, debuting in 2014. While he turned in a promising 1.80 ERA with 8.4 K/9 against 2.4 BB/9 in 30 innings that season, he’s struggled to a 4.84 ERA with 8.7 K/9 against 3.8 BB/9 in 35 1/3 big league innings since then. To his credit, Crockett has allowed just a minuscule three homers in 65 1/3 MLB innings and has held lefties to a .614 OPS in 167 plate appearances. Righties have knocked him around at a .280/.373/.452 clip, though.

The addition of Crockett fills Cincinnati’s 40-man roster.

[mattfeet]

Better than Jumbo Diaz, I guess...

[Tom Servo]

A Virginia Cavalier, just like our GM.

Pretty good numbers in the bigs and minors, seems worth the flier.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o53AbIu0Is8

[M2]

Soft tosser with a good slider. Probably a LOOGY type. Yet the Reds could use a good LOOGY.

I'm also happy this fills the 40-man roster so that we don't have to pay attention to the Rule V draft as if it matters.

[corkedbat]

If roster is set & he takes the 40th spot, does this lock the Reds out of the Rule 5 or can they still waive someone?

[Gallen5862]

If roster is set & he takes the 40th spot, does this lock the Reds out of the Rule 5 or can they still waive someone?


They can still waive someone!

[klw]

Maybe the Reds can bring back Greg Tubbs to team up with him.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tubbsgr01.shtml

[RED VAN HOT]

Would it be fair to suggest that the Reds looked at available Rule 5 picks and liked Crockett better? It appears that he has used his options, but they could possibly get away with a future DFA if he doesn't work out, so they would not have to carry or offer back. The positive is that the organization has turned a page and is looking at filling holes (LOOGY) as opposed to taking a flyer on unprotected players not ready for prime time.

[757690]

Maybe the Reds can bring back Greg Tubbs to team up with him.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tubbsgr01.shtml

Package them together to the Marlins for Stanton.

[marcshoe]

Maybe the Reds can bring back Greg Tubbs to team up with him.
https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/t/tubbsgr01.shtml

Or they could sign Boone Logan and have a Fess Parker reunion in the bullpen.

[kpresidente]

I'm also happy this fills the 40-man roster so that we don't have to pay attention to the Rule V draft as if it matters.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=cave--000jak

[Kinsm]

Crockett is out of options. So, if he's lucky enough to make it to opening day still on the 25 man roster; he'll have to make the squad or be DFA'd.

[M2]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=cave--000jak

The all-time Rule V Redszone overhype will forever belong to D.T. Mattox (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=mattox001dav). People had his name chiseled into the rotation.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Brooks Baseball says he has an 89 mph four-seamer and an 80 mph slider which he rarely throws. MLB says his slider's 82 mph, but feels like it's 83.

His four-seamer sinks and tails. His slider has a relatively low spin rate, more than 500 rpm below mlb average. (That augers well, IIRC.)

High K rate (8.5 over four years) for such a soft tosser with a four-year average FIP of 3.12.

Against lefties, he's got a 4:1 K:BB rate with 43 K's in 167 ABs.

His line against southpaws: .245 BAA/ .303 OBP/ .311 SLG/ .614 OPS

If used properly (as a LOOGY), he may be a weapon. If used against both sides, he's probably serviceable.

Solid signing, IMO.

[kpresidente]

The all-time Rule V Redszone overhype will forever belong to D.T. Mattox (https://www.baseball-reference.com/register/player.fcgi?id=mattox001dav). People had his name chiseled into the rotation.

I was actually saying Cave looks pretty good these days.

[dougdirt]

You guys: Sergio Valenzuela.

[RedlegJake]

Rule 5 has kinda similar odds to buying lottery scratch off tickets- maybe you get your dollar back but the chance of a jackpot is 100,000,000 to 1. Why in the world Redszone gets all hyped up about this every winter is beyond me. I mean - maybe we get another Stuart Turner??? Which I guess is akin to getting your dollar back....give me a guy like Crockett every time

[cumberlandreds]

Or they could sign Boone Logan and have a Fess Parker reunion in the bullpen.

I think this signing will have an Alamo reunion feel and probably would have been better off signing Davey instead.

[klw]

Why in the world Redszone gets all hyped up about this every winter is beyond me.

Because it is often the most notable thing that the Reds do at the Winter Meetings.

[redsmetz]

You guys: Sergio Valenzuela.

Perhaps the most inexplicable Rule 5 pick I've ever seen.

[RED VAN HOT]

Because it is often the most notable thing that the Reds do at the winter Meetings.

And it beats discussing Cozart's likely FA salary or hypothetical trades of half of the roster.

[dougdirt]

Perhaps the most inexplicable Rule 5 pick I've ever seen.

ANYONE has ever seen.

[Danny Serafini]

Totally worth the $50K to watch him throw in an intersquad game

[RED VAN HOT]

You guys: Sergio Valenzuela.

Did the Reds ever provide an explanation of what they were thinking or smoking when they selected him?

[camisadelgolf]

Perhaps the most inexplicable Rule 5 pick I've ever seen.

Did the Reds ever provide an explanation of what they were thinking or smoking when they selected him?

"Winter ball pretty much finalized it for me," said J. Harrison, the Reds' director of pro scouting. "One of our good scouts out west got a chance to see him. I saw him in a trip over to Mexico as well. It was a bullpen-type deal and he caught my attention on some of the things he did with his delivery and his strength. He looked like a guy that was underdeveloped that had some room for growth."

Harrison later dispatched scout Rex De La Nuez to track Valenzuela as a starter in Mexican Winter League games. The Reds liked the pitcher's mid-90s fastball and above average changeup and think he has an average slider.

"We got a chance to do some homework on him," Harrison said. "He's still got some development left. He's a guy we think can compete, contribute and eventually evolve into a starter-type for us. That's an area we need to continue, to stockpile as many starters as we can."
http://www.milb.com/gen/articles/printer_friendly/milb/y2007/m12/d06/c328074.jsp

[Big Klu]

Perhaps the most inexplicable Rule 5 pick I've ever seen.

Maybe they thought they were getting Fernando Valenzuela, or Ritchie Valenzuela...or Sergio Garcia, or Sergio Mendes, or Sergio Leone...

[dougdirt]

He was so bad that they could have probably just bought his rights for $10,000 and put him back in A-ball where he belonged at the time. Instead, they paid what wound up being $25,000 to send him back to the Braves after realizing he couldn't get out non-roster Double-A caliber players the first live batting practice session of the spring.

[Griffey012]

He was so bad that they could have probably just bought his rights for $10,000 and put him back in A-ball where he belonged at the time. Instead, they paid what wound up being $25,000 to send him back to the Braves after realizing he couldn't get out non-roster Double-A caliber players the first live batting practice session of the spring.

Hey, he has been a great 5th starter in Mexico.

http://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=sa254802&position=P

[Tom Servo]

I always figured Valenzuela was Krivsky buying his own hype after the ridiculous success in landing Josh Hamilton and Jared Burton, just assuming he and his scouts had unearthed another gem.

[M2]

You guys: Sergio Valenzuela.

I don't recall a good chunk of the board pretending he'd immediately anchor the rotation, which means he's no D.T. Mattox.

[Big Klu]

Off the top of my head, I can think of only three successful Rule 5 acquisitions in Reds history:

Tim Layana
Josh Hamilton
Jared Burton

Stuart Turner survived the entire season, so he would be fourth.

[RedlegJake]

Off the top of my head, I can think of only three successful Rule 5 acquisitions in Reds history:

Tim Layana
Josh Hamilton
Jared Burton

Stuart Turner survived the entire season, so he would be fourth.

2 were relievers and that is probably most R5 acquisitions that stick, even Santana, who is the poster boy for successful R5 grabs pitched the 2000 season mostly in the bullpen (with a 6.49 ERA that year). Johan wound up back in the minors by 2002 and didn't become a star until he mastered the changeup that made him successful. Also, the Hamilton pick was a trade with Chicago who made the pick for the Reds in exchange for 100 grand. Santana similarly was picked by the Marlins for the Twins who then swapped another player for his rights. So - perhaps the 2 most successful R5 acquisitions were convoluted deals and only 1, Hamilton, was hotcakes from the git. That makes me wonder a bit about Turner. His stats were pathetic but he also wasn't ready yet and had a very small sample acquired in spots while rusting on the bench most of the year. NOT saying he's gonna be a star if we wait maybe he isn't dreck either given a year in AAA to develop.

[REDREAD]

I would consider Turner a rule 5 success.
The Reds needed another catcher last year.
They weren't going to spend money, so whatever 3rd catcher they added was not going to provide offensive value.
Even if they were going to spend money, and extra win or two (from offensee) out of a 3rd catcher was not going to make a difference, because the team was so bad.

Now they can put Turner in the minors. Honestly, other than perhaps Tyler Stephenson, he probably has as good of a chance to have a decent MLB career as any catching prospect in our system.. I am not saying he is the best prospect, but he can possibly learn to hit well enough to be a solid backup guy for awhile. That has value on a team like the Reds that has historically struggled with depth.

IMO, it was possibly the most creative thing that Williams has done since taking over. Even if Turner never appears in another MLB game, he filled a role last year. He did a great job considering where he was on the development curve, IMO.

[Kinsm]

Any catcher available on a minor league contract could have filled that 3rd catcher role. Hell, the Reds allowed a better option to leave midseason because the Reds wouldn't promote him from Louisville.

[M2]

Honestly, other than perhaps Tyler Stephenson, he probably has as good of a chance to have a decent MLB career as any catching prospect in our system.

I suggest you prepare yourself for the Trompening.

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/651595733678714880/2PWYb6e6.jpg

[Danny Serafini]

IMO, it was possibly the most creative thing that Williams has done since taking over.

I'm not really sure that stashing a bad player on the bench of a bad team really qualifies as creative.

[REDREAD]

I'm not really sure that stashing a bad player on the bench of a bad team really qualifies as creative.

For the Reds, who seldom act outside of the box, grabbing a 3rd catcher (who they needed anyway) in Rule 5 is creative. (They are not a very creative organization). He might end up developing into something useful. Basically, a free prospect. It really did not matter last year how well the 3rd catcher performed.

[Patrick Bateman]

I'm not really sure that stashing a bad player on the bench of a bad team really qualifies as creative.

I would say, if you can give that transaction anything, it would be that it was creative and outside of the box.

With that said, some ideas should stay in the box, wrapped up in a hundred layers, and buried to the point that it wont be found until our ancestors 10 generations from now stumble upon it looking for gold.

[InsaneinthBrame]

I thought it was creative of the Reds to go out and get their SS of the future. Peraza and AlfRod

[Tom Servo]

Zach Buchanan
@ZachENQ

The Reds will non-tender recent waiver claim Kyle Crockett. Wouldn't be surprised if they re-signed him to a minor-league deal.

[Kc61]

The Reds’ non-tendering of Crockett is another example of an odd practice in baseball.

Players are acquired off waivers and promptly put back on waivers. In this case Crockett is acquired and almost immediately non-tendered.

Seems like a way to get a player, but then only keep him if you can find a way to get him off roster.

In this case, my guess is the Reds are trying to negotiate a minor league deal with Crockett, having shown interest by first taking him off waivers.

Reds probably didn’t want to pay him MLB minimum and/or didn’t want him consuming a 40-man roster spot as they head into the trade season and Rule 5 draft.

[Tom Servo]

The Reds’ non-tendering of Crockett is another example of an odd practice in baseball.

Players are acquired off waivers and promptly put back on waivers. In this case Crockett is acquired and almost immediately non-tendered.

Seems like a way to get a player, but then only keep him if you can find a way to get him off roster.

In this case, my guess is the Reds are trying to negotiate a minor league deal with Crockett, having shown interest by first taking him off waivers.

Reds probably didn’t want to pay him MLB minimum and/or didn’t want him consuming a 40-man roster spot as they head into the trade season and Rule 5 draft.
They did it last year with Gabriel Guerrero.

[BillDoran]

They did it last year with Gabriel Guerrero.

How does the circle of claiming and designating end?

For instance, what stops the Indians from reclaiming him and designating him; followed by the Reds (or whoever) claiming and designating him; ad infinitum. Is it just a matter of teams growing weary of the transactions or is there a procedural stop in place?

[757690]

Off the top of my head, I can think of only three successful Rule 5 acquisitions in Reds history:

Tim Layana
Josh Hamilton
Jared Burton

Stuart Turner survived the entire season, so he would be fourth.

Dann Bilardello was a rule 5 pick. We can debate if he was a success or not.

[Big Klu]

Dann Bilardello was a rule 5 pick. We can debate if he was a success or not.

I was unaware of that. Yes, I would consider him a success. He actually was the club's #1 catcher in 1983, and stuck around as a backup in 1984 and 1985.

[Tom Servo]

How does the circle of claiming and designating end?

For instance, what stops the Indians from reclaiming him and designating him; followed by the Reds (or whoever) claiming and designating him; ad infinitum. Is it just a matter of teams growing weary of the transactions or is there a procedural stop in place?
Well right now Crockett is a free agent, so there's no claiming involved unless they sign him to a big league contract and then DFA him. But I have also wondered about those guys who move constantly on waivers, like Micah Johnson this offseason. Do the Reds have any interest in claiming him again if the Rays end up DFAing him for a roster spot?

[Danny Serafini]

How does the circle of claiming and designating end?

For instance, what stops the Indians from reclaiming him and designating him; followed by the Reds (or whoever) claiming and designating him; ad infinitum. Is it just a matter of teams growing weary of the transactions or is there a procedural stop in place?

I'll always remember the epic game of Pugh-pong the Reds and Royals played with Tim Pugh

May 10, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.

July 8, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.

July 12, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.

August 15, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.

[texasdave]

I'll always remember the epic game of Pugh-pong the Reds and Royals played with Tim Pugh

May 10, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.

July 8, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.

July 12, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.

August 15, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.

Pugh's 1996 stats: 29 GM, 52.0 IP, 7.27 ERA, 6.29 FIP, 1.712 WHIP, 11.4 H/9, 2.1 HR/9, 4.0 BB/9.

[Tom Servo]

Zach Buchanan‏
@ZachENQ
4m4 minutes ago

As expected, Kyle Crockett has signed a minors deal with a ST invite. Was non-tendered Friday

[RED VAN HOT]

Does that reduce the 40 man roster to 38?

Question: Are these things worked out before the action is taken to non-tender, or is that a violation?

[Tom Servo]

Does that reduce the 40 man roster to 38?

Question: Are these things worked out before the action is taken to non-tender, or is that a violation?
So technically it's 39 right now, but that's only because apparently Adleman to Korea isn't quite yet official as he's still listed on the 40 man. It's gonna be 38.

I imagine you can say "Hey, we're non-tendering you, but are interested in bringing you back on a minor league deal" but I don't know for sure. Obviously Crockett's agent was free to gauge interest from other teams.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Zach Buchanan‏
@ZachENQ
4m4 minutes ago

As expected, Kyle Crockett has signed a minors deal with a ST invite. Was non-tendered Friday

This is good news.

Crockett is likely going to be on the roster.

[Big Klu]

This is good news.

Crockett is likely going to be on the roster.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/26/eb/dd/26ebdd78bc5d9a99f11bf657a6314ea7--fess-parker-davy-crockett.jpg

[MikeS21]

I'll always remember the epic game of Pugh-pong the Reds and Royals played with Tim Pugh

May 10, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.

July 8, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.

July 12, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Kansas City Royals from the Cincinnati Reds.

August 15, 1996: Selected off waivers by the Cincinnati Reds from the Kansas City Royals.
Didn't I read that the Reds took Pugh off waivers from the Royals a couple days ago? :p

[marcshoe]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/26/eb/dd/26ebdd78bc5d9a99f11bf657a6314ea7--fess-parker-davy-crockett.jpg

Why did you post a picture of Daniel Boone?

[cumberlandreds]

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/26/eb/dd/26ebdd78bc5d9a99f11bf657a6314ea7--fess-parker-davy-crockett.jpg

Can he pitch?

[Raisor]

Why did you post a picture of Daniel Boone?

Fess Parker had a lot of range.