Michigan State secrets extend far beyond Larry Nassar case

[Tom Servo]

Bad stuff.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn


MICHIGAN STATE UNIVERSITY administrators have long claimed, to the federal government and public, that they have handled sexual assault, violence, and gender discrimination complaints properly.

But an Outside the Lines investigation has found a pattern of widespread denial, inaction and information suppression of such allegations by officials ranging from campus police to the Spartan athletic department, whose top leader, Mark Hollis, announced his retirement on Friday. The actions go well beyond the highly publicized case of former MSU athletic physician Larry Nassar.

Over the past three years, MSU has three times fought in court -- unsuccessfully -- to withhold names of athletes in campus police records. The school has also deleted so much information from some incident reports that they were nearly unreadable. In circumstances in which administrators have commissioned internal examinations to review how they have handled certain sexual violence complaints, officials have been selective in releasing information publicly. In one case, a university-hired outside investigator claimed to have not even generated a written report at the conclusion of his work. And attorneys who have represented accusers and the accused agree on this: University officials have not always been transparent, and often put the school's reputation above the need to give fair treatment to those reporting sexual violence and to the alleged perpetrators.

Even MSU's most-recognizable figures, football coach Mark Dantonio and basketball coach Tom Izzo, have had incidents involving their programs, Outside the Lines has found.


There's much more but essentially one can surmise from the details included that Dantonio isn't gonna survive this and Izzo might not either.

[cumberlandreds]

This sounds like another Penn State where people knew things were going on but did nothing about it. You can't imagine anyone in power at MSU is going to survive this and probably shouldn't.

[dubc47834]

Starting to think these types of issues may be wide spread throughout college sports. If so it's a shame!!!

[RedTeamGo!]

This sounds like another Penn State where people knew things were going on but did nothing about it. You can't imagine anyone in power at MSU is going to survive this and probably shouldn't.

It’s almost like not giving Penn State the deserved death penalty didn’t set an example that would discourage covering stuff up. Same crap is going to happen here. A couple people will resign in disgrace with no real punishment to the university.

Give PSU the death penalty

And if MSU did a similar coverup give them the death penalty.

An example must be set.

[Chip R]

Starting to think these types of issues may be wide spread throughout college sports. If so it's a shame!!!

I have no doubt about it. We'll probably never find out for sure until years from now.

[bucksfan2]

Starting to think these types of issues may be wide spread throughout college sports. If so it's a shame!!!

Oh I think its widespread through sport in general. Heck its rampant in Hollywood and being exposed right now.

Frankly, I think its better now that what it was in the past. In the past, without all the social media avenues, the powerful could bury these stories rather easily.

[WrongVerb]

Scuttlebutt on Twitter is that both Izzo and Dantoni will retire soon.

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Oh I think its widespread through sport in general. Heck its rampant in Hollywood and being exposed right now.

Frankly, I think its better now that what it was in the past. In the past, without all the social media avenues, the powerful could bury these stories rather easily.

I said a few months ago when this thing got rolling that accusations would probably come from all corners and that we'd occasionally be shocked at who was being accused.

[KronoRed]

Do it right this time...death penalty.

[WVRed]

Wow. Just wow.


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[Assembly Hall]

Anybody got rope and a strong Oak tree? Hang the bastards.

[Chip R]

Turns out NCAA president Mark Emmert knew about the assaults in 2010 but did nothing.

https://theathletic.com/223555/2018/01/26/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-was-alerted-to-michigan-state-sexual-assault-reports-in-2010/

[dabvu2498]

It’s almost like not giving Penn State the deserved death penalty didn’t set an example that would discourage covering stuff up. Same crap is going to happen here. A couple people will resign in disgrace with no real punishment to the university.

Give PSU the death penalty

And if MSU did a similar coverup give them the death penalty.

An example must be set.

Baylor too.

[Raisor]

I'm about ready to nuke the earth from orbit. It's the only way to be sure

[WVRed]

Turns out NCAA president Mark Emmert knew about the assaults in 2010 but did nothing.

https://theathletic.com/223555/2018/01/26/ncaa-president-mark-emmert-was-alerted-to-michigan-state-sexual-assault-reports-in-2010/

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180127/606de842218d76bf70f38b3b94920622.jpg

[paintmered]

I remember that Dantonio, in one of his first actions as head coach at UC, handed out "playbooks for life" to every player, just as Tressel was known to do at OSU. It would seem that that version of Dantonio was a facade.

I think that I am ready for a day without revenue college athletics. It`s time to adopt club sports as the means to develop players for the pros. The universities have proven themselves incapable of policing themselves.

[WVRed]

I remember that Dantonio, in one of his first actions as head coach at UC, handed out "playbooks for life" to every player, just as Tressel was known to do at OSU. It would seem that that version of Dantonio was a facade.

I think that I am ready for a day without revenue college athletics. It`s time to adopt club sports as the means to develop players for the pros. The universities have proven themselves incapable of policing themselves.

I think the FBI probe in college basketball was the tip of the iceberg. This is worse especially when combined with Penn State and Baylor for NCAA athletics as a whole.

I’m honestly surprised because I thought Izzo was a better person. To be honest though I don’t think there is any coach who is squeaky clean, and that includes Coach K.

[Kingspoint]

Starting to think these types of issues may be wide spread throughout college sports. If so it's a shame!!!

I never saw a college over the last 40 years where it wasn't like this. University Presidents have always been the problem.

Teachers have been hiding their fellow teachers from prosecution for decades and decades at every educational level.

[Sea Ray]

Bad stuff.

http://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/22214566/pattern-denial-inaction-information-suppression-michigan-state-goes-larry-nassar-case-espn




There's much more but essentially one can surmise from the details included that Dantonio isn't gonna survive this and Izzo might not either.

Those are 2 coaches that will be very difficult to fire. I'm not convinced yet that they have the goods on them to do so

[Chip R]

As the MSU/Nasser case couldn't get any worse:

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/22930449/michigan-state-official-william-strampel-charged-criminal-sexual-conduct

[WrongVerb]

As the MSU/Nasser case couldn't get any worse:

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/22930449/michigan-state-official-william-strampel-charged-criminal-sexual-conduct

Holy cow! All bad deeds will out in the end.

[dougdirt]

People are the absolute worst.

[Chip R]

MSU paid a PR firm over $500,000 in January to “monitor” social media activity of Nassar victims, journalists,

http://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/michigan-state-paid-pr-firm-over-500000-in-january-to-monitor-nassar-victims.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[Chip R]

Athletic trainers who still work for MSU are charged with having known about Nasser's abuses not only did nothing about it but are still employed at MSU.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2018/03/30/2-msu-employees-still-job-though-informed-nassar-ex-athletes-say/417731002/

[oregonred]

This is all sickening. Things are going to get much worse for MSU - and deservedly so...

[KronoRed]

Do it right this time...death penalty.

Blow it up.

[dougdirt]

Athletic trainers who still work for MSU are charged with having known about Nasser's abuses not only did nothing about it but are still employed at MSU.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2018/03/30/2-msu-employees-still-job-though-informed-nassar-ex-athletes-say/417731002/

Don't read the comments.

[Chip R]

This is all sickening. Things are going to get much worse for MSU - and deservedly so...

Not so sure the NCAA will be able to do much. Seems like they overreached in the Penn State case. The civil and criminal cases will result in punishment for the accused but as for the university penalties I would guess it will be less than people want.

[Chip R]

Interim MSU president John Engler allegedly offered a Nassar victim $250K to settle a lawsuit against MSU and saying other victims have given a dollar amount to him to settle.

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/23154441/victim-larry-nassar-accuses-michigan-state-interim-president-john-engler-offering-payoff

[Chip R]

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2018/04/18/michigan-state-larry-nassar-engler/527681002/

[Chip R]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article209683064.html

[Assembly Hall]

http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article209683064.html

Why doesn't this surprise me?

[Boston Red]

Michigan State was supposed to punish the girls who played in his program by not offering them scholarships? Michigan State has done a lot of bad stuff. Not sure why this one is on them.

[The Operator]

Michigan State was supposed to punish the girls who played in his program by not offering them scholarships? Michigan State has done a lot of bad stuff. Not sure why this one is on them.

If schools would stop dealing with him then his influence and power over these girls goes away.


There are always tons of reasons to not hold people accountable for their actions, and those reasons always suck.


This country and the world in general has a long way to go cleaning up this sexual assault mess. There is disgusting debauchery everywhere you turn and a never ending parade of people willin to enable the perpetrator and blame the victims.

[Boston Red]

Hold him accountable by screwing over girls who had nothing to do with whatever it is he did? Doesn't sound like a sensible response to me.

[The Operator]

Hold him accountable by screwing over girls who had nothing to do with whatever it is he did? Doesn't sound like a sensible response to me.

When I think of "screwing over girls" the first things that comes to mind is allowing a sexual predator to continue to have unfettered access to the young girls he preys on.


No way in hell I'd want my daughter training with that guy, scholarship potential be damned.


Sometimes you have to do the right things even if it's painful or inconveniences people.

[Boston Red]

No way in hell I'd want my daughter training with that guy, scholarship potential be damned.


Me, either. Blame the parents. But blacklisting girls who play for him is a terrible "solution". I give Michigan State 0% of the blame here. I give the parents of these girls all of the blame that doesn't go to the coach himself.

[Chip R]

Michigan State has settled with the victims.

https://es.pn/2Ijdc1U

[Assembly Hall]

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/06/05/msu-health-physicist-accused-bestiality-with-basset-hound-report.html

[WrongVerb]

Prosecutors accuse Michigan State of trying to sabotage Larry Nassar investigation (https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/422588-prosecutors-accuse-michigan-state-university-of-trying-to-sabotage):


Michigan State University attempted to sabotage and slow prosecutors' investigation into the school's handling of sexual abuse by Larry Nassar, investigators said Friday.

NBC News reported that special counsel Bill Forsyth, who is leading the investigation into Nassar's pattern of abuse while employed as a physician at Michigan State, argued that the university deployed a series of tactics designed to obstruct prosecutors.

“Their biggest concern was the reputation of the university,” Forsyth told reporters.

NBC reported that Forsyth released a report updating the investigation that accused the school of "drowning investigators in irrelevant documents," asserting attorney-client privilege when it did not apply and replying to document requests with materials unrelated to the investigation.

[Chip R]

Michigan State interim President and former governor John Engler has resigned days after saying that some survivors of Larry Nassar's abuse were "enjoying the spotlight."

https://es.pn/2TUm9Aa

[Assembly Hall]

Michigan State interim President and former governor John Engler has resigned days after saying that some survivors of Larry Nassar's abuse were "enjoying the spotlight."

https://es.pn/2TUm9Aa

OMG

[Chip R]

A US Department of Education report found that MSU's failure in handling the sexual assault reports "may have posed an ongoing threat" to the campus community.

https://www.lansingstatejournal.com/story/news/2019/01/30/msu-cited-violations-clery-act-related-larry-nassar/2725326002

[Chip R]

Michigan State has been fined $4.5M by the DoE for their mis-handling of the Nassar case.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/27543700/dept-education-fines-msu-nassar-failure

[North]

Chump change.