4/8/18 - Reds at Pirates

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds

1. Jesse Winker (L) RF
2. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Scooter Gennett (L) 2B
5. Adam Duvall (R) LF
6. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
7. Jose Peraza (R) SS
8. Tyler Mahle (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

Pirates

1. Josh Harrison (R) 2B
2. Gregory Polanco (L) RF
3. Starling Marte (R) CF
4. Josh Bell (S) 1B
5. Corey Dickerson (L) LF
6. Francisco Cervelli (R) C
7. Colin Moran (L) 3B
8. Jordy Mercer (R) SS
9. Jameson Taillon (R) P

Gametime Forecast: 36°F • Mostly Cloudy • 2% PoP

[klw]

Here's hoping for more dancing
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/9aVJi2hrk5jyrmsELg6eNUJbowFkQxgLgtJg7NLMObWNFaFO94 jgAIKHBvMEmzSGFCcIb83IN8XQ25iGp_Ncfi4g=w232-h131-p-no

[Maldez]

Big game for Tyler Mahle and the Reds...is he really as good as he looked in that shut-out win over the Cubs? Or did he just have the best game he's ever capable of?

[ochoa30]

Big game for Tyler Mahle and the Reds...is he really as good as he looked in that shut-out win over the Cubs? Or did he just have the best game he's ever capable of?

He's not going to pitch that well every time. I'm sure he will be pretty good most of the time but you're gonna be sorely disappointed if you think he's gonna pitch a shutout every game.

[klw]

Schebler has been out since 4/1. For crying out loud just put him on the DL and let him heal properly and get his timing back with a AAA game.

[NebraskaRed]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohuPgl8nF2BDCGZaM/giphy.gif

Top secret gif of the rehab being done on Schebler

[The Operator]

Schebler has been out since 4/1. For crying out loud just put him on the DL and let him heal properly and get his timing back with a AAA game.

This is how The Reds have operated for years. They run with a short roster because they have no idea how to properly use the DL.

[klw]

Yesterday's Schebler update as I can't find one from today yet:
https://www.mlb.com/reds/news/reds-scott-schebler-ailing-from-hit-by-pitch/c-271231296


It was reliever Sean Doolittle's 94-mph fastball that apparently knocked the ulnar nerve in Schebler's elbow. He's lost the feeling in his right pinky and part of his ring finger.

"It's just kind of numb. I have strength in it," Schebler said. "I guess the best way to describe it is it's like when you go to the dentist and get novocaine. You feel your cheek is there, but you can't really control it."

For the past few days, Schebler has taken batting practice on the field with the hope he could return to the lineup or come off of the bench and pinch-hit. But not having feeling in his fingers affects his swing.

"I fully expected to be back the next day. I get hit by pitches all the time. That's never a problem for me, but I guess it just hit me in a spot -- you can rehab it all you want, but you have to wait for the nerve to come back."

Schebler bats lefty but throws right-handed. The injury also affects his ability to make throws.

"When I throw, I can't spin the baseball," Schebler said. "Whatever grip I get, that's what you're getting. I have no idea where it's going."




"It's a tough call because he can only backdate [the DL move] three days, so as soon as you sign on for that, it becomes a week," Reds manager Bryan Price said. "I would say that might be directly correlated to how our bullpen holds up, how our starters do, how fresh we keep the bullpen. It's been, really, a painstakingly slow process to recover from that hit-by-pitch. I don't even know when to expect him back

I did not know that, must have changed with the change to 10 days from 14.

yep, that is when it changed:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/redsox/2017/03/17/new-rules-change-equation-for-mlb-teams/f12nF9dIcmOZ12QxUfrVsK/story.html

Teams also will be able to backdate a disabled list stint by only three days — instead of back to the last game a player appeared in. In previous years, the Red Sox often waited 5-7 days before making a DL decision, particularly for prominent players.

[RedTeamGo!]

Schebler has been out since 4/1. For crying out loud just put him on the DL and let him heal properly and get his timing back with a AAA game.

Still have 25 days to go until they put him on the DL

[757690]

Just putting this here, in case the Reds front office is reading the game thread, so they become aware that this is an option for an injured player:


After letting him sit out a few games with a minor oblique injury, the Brewers have elected to place outfielder Christian Yelich on the 10-day DL

[TheBigLebowski]

He's not going to pitch that well every time. I'm sure he will be pretty good most of the time but you're gonna be sorely disappointed if you think he's gonna pitch a shutout every game.

I expect a shutout every game.

[Ironman92]

Love the Tekulve’s

[Bourgeois Zee]

I expect a shutout every game.

Yep.

If he doesn't, bust.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wide strike zone so far

[Tom Servo]

Those weren't strikes, come on.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Love the Tekulve’s

Wasn't that a movie by Wes Anderson?

[Red Raindog]

two balls called strikes on Winker -- if the tv graphics are to be believed

[Ironman92]

Winker reminds me of Zobrist

[Reds Fanatic]

They better be swinging at anything close today

[Ron Madden]

Those weren't strikes, come on.

It's cold and the ump wants to shorten the time of the game so he can go get warm.

We need automated strikezone. Umps today suck buttermilk.

[Reds Fanatic]

A 13 pitch walk to Harrison

[Tom Servo]

well that was annoying

[membengal]

What an infuriating at-bat from harrison.

[Ron Madden]

We need a double play.

[Ironman92]

Wasn't that a movie by Wes Anderson?

Don’t know my movies enough to get the joke

[membengal]

Now that’s a frickin’ comeback from Mahle. Wow.

[Tom Servo]

Took 29 pitches but no damage.

[50YrRedsFan]

Does the sun ever shine in Pittsburgh?

[Tom Servo]

Will Duvall ever make contact again?

[50YrRedsFan]

Duvall really scuffling.

[Ironman92]

Scooter is just a little off. He’s rolling over on balls he would pull hard as his timing is off. His oppo swings are also mis timed within his swing and he’s popping to LF just getting slightly under it. Might need to focus on driving the ball back up the middle to get back on track. Might need a day off. Vs lefty/righty isn’t the problem at all right now

[RedTeamGo!]

Don’t know my movies enough to get the joke

Go watch The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou immediately.

You’re welcome.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Impressive comeback from Mahle.

That second strike to Dickerson (at 94 mph) was filthy. It had Dickerson jumping out of the way and led directly to the swinging K of Dickerson.

Pitchability is a thing.

[Tom Servo]

Scooter is just a little off. He’s rolling over on balls he would pull hard as his timing is off. His oppo swings are also mis timed within his swing and he’s popping to LF just getting slightly under it. Might need to focus on driving the ball back up the middle to get back on track. Might need a day off. Vs lefty/righty isn’t the problem at all right now
He's yet to take a walk yet either.


(whisper voice) it could be regression

[Maldez]

He's not going to pitch that well every time. I'm sure he will be pretty good most of the time but you're gonna be sorely disappointed if you think he's gonna pitch a shutout every game.

Oh, crap, I thought he was going to pitch a shut-out every game.

[Ironman92]

Cervelli may very well have the same Dad as John Lackey

[NebraskaRed]

Does the sun ever shine in Pittsburgh?


Will Duvall ever make contact again?

Why do birds suddenly appear?

[Ironman92]

Go watch The Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou immediately.

You’re welcome.

Diehard Reds fan and the Masters is on soon as well.

I just like the old school unis....I trust the movie is teh great

[Bourgeois Zee]

Cervelli may very well have the same Dad as John Lackey

He got two calls by complaining.

Every pitch Cervelli has been thrown has been a strike.

That curve for the Cervilli K was "dandy," according to the Crafty left-hander.

Agreed.

[Bacon]

I dont think Cervelli got enough attention as a child.

[Ironman92]

Uh blue....that was clearly and easily a strike to Mercer

Then Mahle makes the mistake and gives in a Mercer killed it

[Tom Servo]

well that sucked, 1-0 Bucs

[membengal]

I can’t believe Jody Mercer is doing this. Or that taillon hit that either. Baseball is stupid.

[Boston Red]

Well that's a frustrating way to give up a run.

[Ironman92]

Does Winker do anything well outside of getting on base? Defense, arm, base running al seem sub par

[membengal]

Uh blue....that was clearly and easily a strike to Mercer

Then Mahle makes the mistake and gives in a Mercer killed it

It was - and it led to the double and the run.

[LexRedsFan]

Just once I’d like to play with a least.

[Ironman92]

Ump is really struggling

[Boston Red]

50 pitches for 2 innings is not ideal.

[50YrRedsFan]

Ump is really struggling

or he's just bad.

[Ironman92]

It was - and it led to the double and the run.

It was a missed call but the very next pitch was completely center cut....you can’t allow a missed call to allow you to ever pitch there.

[Ironman92]

Just once I’d like to play with a least.

They prefer playing with a trailed

[NebraskaRed]

it's Gallardo day and we all know it

[Bourgeois Zee]

Lots of missed calls against Mahle today.

Frustrating.

Speaking of, Peraza K's.

[Ironman92]

it's Gallardo day and we all know it

EOS

[50YrRedsFan]

Look, it's sunshine.

[Tom Servo]

it's Gallardo day and we all know it
https://media.giphy.com/media/iSxPmDWr97248/giphy.gif

[Ironman92]

Lots of missed calls against Mahle today.

Frustrating.

Speaking of, Peraza K's.

* on 2 pitches (ties record set by bad Jay Bruce)

[Ron Madden]

If ya swing the bat you're dangerous

[Tony Cloninger]

Big game for Tyler Mahle and the Reds...is he really as good as he looked in that shut-out win over the Cubs? Or did he just have the best game he's ever capable of?

The best game he is ever capable of? Is this the best post you will ever be capable of?

[50YrRedsFan]

Eight professional hitters in the lineup and the pitcher gets the first hit. Go figure.

[Boston Red]

Unclogged the bases!

[Ironman92]

For effing sakes steal Billy

[Ironman92]

Eight professional hitters in the lineup and the pitcher gets the first hit. Go figure.

Name them.

[Ron Madden]

Jessie runs too long in the same spot.

[membengal]

It was a missed call but the very next pitch was completely center cut....you can’t allow a missed call to allow you to ever pitch there.

Dude, mistake pitches happen, but they also happen more when you are 3-1 rather than 2-2 on the 8-hole hitter and don’t want to walk him.

[50YrRedsFan]

Name them.

Some more professional than others.:laugh:

[Big Klu]

Jessie runs too long in the same spot.

He runs like he's toting a baby grand piano on his back.

[Ironman92]

Nice anticipation step by Peraza to rob Marte of a hit on a terrible pitch by Mahle

[bleedsred]

Perfect situation to steal or put on the hit and run play...2-1 count with 2 puts...leadoff hitter up and Hamilton stands on freaking first base. Stuff like that gets under my skin watching the Price led Reds.

[Ironman92]

Dude, mistake pitches happen, but they also happen more when you are 3-1 rather than 2-2 on the 8-hole hitter and don’t want to walk him.

I know they happen and if they happen much you don’t remain in the bigs.

[membengal]

Nice anticipation step by Peraza to rob Marte of a hit on a terrible pitch by Mahle

What is your weird anti-Mahle obsession exactly? Be better.

[50YrRedsFan]

Mahle seems to be up with a lot of pitches today.

[Ironman92]

Perfect situation to steal or put on the hit and run play...2-1 count with 2 puts...leadoff hitter up and Hamilton stands on freaking first base. Stuff like that gets under my skin watching the Price led Reds.

Me too.

[membengal]

Ok, I am checking out of this thread. You all are being weird.

[Big Klu]

Eight professional hitters in the lineup and the pitcher gets the first hit. Go figure.

Only seven of them had batted before him, though.

[Ironman92]

What is your weird anti-Mahle obsession exactly? Be better.

I’m just commenting on the game. I like Mahle, shows good promise.

I think my post on that play was spot on.

[Ironman92]

Damnit damnit damnit

[50YrRedsFan]

Only seven of them had batted before him, though.

I was going to skip Billy. :laugh:

[Tom Servo]

oh no, Suarez hit on the hand

[Ron Madden]

OH NO!!! Geno drilled on the right hand, don't look good.

[hebroncougar]

here's a surprise..........Pirates drill a Reds batter.

[JaxRed]

Hope to heck that is not broken

[WrongVerb]

Nick Senzel to the white courtesy phone, please.

[Ironman92]

Make your teammate feel better Joey

[Tom Servo]

Geno staying in for now.

[Ironman92]

Make your teammate feel better Joey

I don’t think that helped

[Ironman92]

Nick Senzel to the white courtesy phone, please.

/racist

[membengal]

I’m just commenting on the game. I like Mahle, shows good promise.

I think my post on that play was spot on.

It was a crap post. To be pissing on individual pitches is weird. Weird. Be better. Seriously. No pitcher has ever thrown an entire game of perfect pitches. Stop doing this.

[Tony Cloninger]

I know they happen and if they happen much you don’t remain in the bigs.

Has this been a problem for Mahle this season already after 1 1/2 starts?

[NebraskaRed]

It was a crap post. To be pissing on individual pitches is weird. Weird. Be better. Seriously. No pitcher has ever thrown an entire game of perfect pitches. Stop doing this.

it's weird to be critical of a pitch? What are you talking about?

[membengal]

Has this been a problem for Mahle this season already after 1 1/2 starts?

No. But, hey, we’re now gonna piss on pitches 1/3 of the way to the plate maybe. It’s the next logical step.

[Ron Madden]

Scooter's having a rough time right now... Needs a cheap basehit to break the spell.

[JaxRed]

Stay on topic about the actual game people......

[WrongVerb]

/racist

:mooner:

[Bourgeois Zee]

Mahle pitches up in the zone.

He's been doing that for years and has been successful. Thta works with his four-seamer.

So to suddenly expect him to pitch low in the zone seems... odd.

He never has.

[NebraskaRed]

Pennington in for Saurez

[Ron Madden]

Pennington in for Saurez

Oh No

[WrongVerb]

Apparently this guy is now playing third base for the Reds, according to Thom:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/assets/images/imported/NYJ/AP_071007188239-article.jpg

[50YrRedsFan]

It's Cliff Pennington, not Chad Pennington. Thom. Chad was a quarterback.

[Tony Cloninger]

I never knew how boring this game was when I wasn’t drunk.

[JaxRed]

It's Cliff Pennington, not Chad Pennington. Thom. Chad was a quarterback.

Gives Chad the benefit of the doubt.

[bleedsred]

Oh well, most of this board saw an injury coming with the Reds playing with a 24 man team with Schebler in limbo...Suarez getting xrays

[WrongVerb]

If you keep the same core, and continually underperform, what makes you think things will get better? Indeed.

[Big Klu]

Gives Chad the benefit of the doubt.

It's not hard to be a star QB when you have Randy Moss on your team.

[Bourgeois Zee]

If you keep the same core, and continually underperform, what makes you think things will get better? Indeed.

Right, same core.

Castillo, Mahle, Gennett (if you consider him core), Winker-- I mean, these guys have been on the team for weeks now!

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle looking good since all those pitches in the first.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oh well, most of this board saw an injury coming with the Reds playing with a 24 man team with Schebler in limbo...Suarez getting xrays

What are you talking about?

Are you saying Suarez getting his hand injured by a pitch is because of Schebler not being on the DL?

[Tom Servo]

Working for 81 years sounds like hell.

[Ironman92]

Apparently this guy is now playing third base for the Reds, according to Thom:

http://www.newyorkjets.com/assets/images/imported/NYJ/AP_071007188239-article.jpg

Go Herd

[50YrRedsFan]

If you keep the same core, and continually underperform, what makes you think things will get better? Indeed.

He was talking about the Pirates but it definitely relates to the Reds.

[RedTeamGo!]

Ugh, I hope Suarez isn’t bad: just nothing will go right. What did we do to deserve this crap?

[JaxRed]

Is it snowing?

[50YrRedsFan]

it's snowing.

[Big Klu]

Working for 81 years sounds like hell.

It's not work if you love what you do.

[RedTeamGo!]

He was talking about the Pirates but it definitely relates to the Reds.

How does it relate to the reds? They trade almost their entire core from 4 years ago away. They got killed by the fans for doing so. If you are going to beat the red horse, at least be consistent folks.

[50YrRedsFan]

Duvall improving...he made contact.

[RedTeamGo!]

It's not work if you love what you do.

Well, nobody will pay me to play Nintendo 64 in my underwear.

What a tired cliche.

[NebraskaRed]

Maybe Mahle is only allowed to pitch in 1-0 games.

[Ironman92]

Suarez just a solid solid big league on both side of the ball....Reds can not afford to lose any of those types.

Sure hope he’s ok

[Bourgeois Zee]

He was talking about the Pirates but it definitely relates to the Reds.

Well, then. I was wrong and apologize.

Jumping at shadows, it seems.

[WrongVerb]

Well, nobody will pay me to play Nintendo 64 in my underwear.

What a tired cliche.

I hear people can make a living playing games on Twitch.

[NebraskaRed]

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/983054021039677440

Pushing the ump the Cardinal Way

[Big Klu]

Well, nobody will pay me to play Nintendo 64 in my underwear.

What a tired cliche.

I'm serious. I'm sure he doesn't feel like coming to the ballpark every day is drudgery. If he did, he would have quit long before 81 years on the job.

[Ironman92]

Ump screwed Mahle against Tallion....pitch one thru 3 all perfectly placed on edge. Ump refused to give him the 3rd

[bleedsred]

What are you talking about?

Are you saying Suarez getting his hand injured by a pitch is because of Schebler not being on the DL?

No, I'm not saying that's why Suarez got hurt...however I am saying this is the kind of crap that happens to this team. Already playing short a bench spot and injuries happen. All the while division opponents put their guys on the 10 day DL and get able bodies on the bench in case something like Suarez getting hit in the hand happens.

[Big Klu]

THom going nuts over Jim Day's old, tired impersonation of Jerry Narron.

[NebraskaRed]

may someone love you the way Reds announcers love Josh Harrison

[WrongVerb]

If I was Mahle, I'd come high and tight to Harrison. Not trying to hit him, but just put him off balance during those long at bats.

[chuck6660]

Ouch,,%!

[Big Klu]

The Pirates should have yellow batting helmets with black bills when they wear these uniforms, like they did in the 70's and 80's.

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/ff/e6/52/ffe652a6a6ff8eb5caf5c9e7e8141201--baseball-crafts-baseball-quotes.jpg

[Ironman92]

Polanco has some serious plate coverage. Wasn’t really a pull pitch at all but he still squared it up anyways. He’s long

[chuck6660]

The wheels are coming Mahle’s Reds machine

[WrongVerb]

Third time through the order.

Also, I could get with arguments that Dave Parker deserves to be in Cooperstown.

[JaxRed]

Lucky that one stayed in the park.

[Ironman92]

Mahle pitches up in the zone.

He's been doing that for years and has been successful. Thta works with his four-seamer.

So to suddenly expect him to pitch low in the zone seems... odd.

He never has.

I prefer pitching up in the zone. 100% all for it

[klw]

https://twitter.com/SInow/status/983054021039677440

Pushing the ump the Cardinal Way

Molina has to get a lengthy suspension for that.

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Mahle not getting the edge calls, pays for it.

[Ironman92]

Good play by Votto not throwing that rundown play too early. Pitcher and catcher back near home and Votto faking his initial throw allowed Tucker/Mahle to get there and cover 1st

[NebraskaRed]

Molina has to get a lengthy suspension for that.

how was he not ejected?

[JaxRed]

Molina wasn't even ejected. He has his own set of rules...

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Wheels fell off this inning,

[TheBigLebowski]

I absolutely despise Yadier Molina.

[Ironman92]

how was he not ejected?

Anthony Rendon is wondering as well

[NebraskaRed]

any reason why someone wasn't warming up at the top of this inning with Mahle at 80-something pitches?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Mahle not getting the edge calls, pays for it.

The 1 - 2 pitch to Polanco was, according to the box on the television, a strike. But the ump hasn't given him anything all day. Why would he give him that pitch?

[klw]

http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftdzYz3Q1qf8yek.gif

[Ironman92]

Now down 5 runs and the only guy with a hit is no longer in the lineup

[NebraskaRed]

http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_leftdzYz3Q1qf8yek.gif

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Seriously? Was he not tossed?

he's still in the game as of the top of the 4th.

[RedTeamGo!]

any reason why someone wasn't warming up at the top of this inning with Mahle at 80-something pitches?

Because Price is incompetent and needs to be fired 2 years ago

[Big Klu]

Reds make double switch:
Garrett to pitch, hitting 7th
Gosselin to 3B, hitting 8th (Pennington moves to SS). Peraza out of the game.

So Darrel Chaney and Doug Flynn are both in the game now.

[klw]

Because Price is incompetent and needs to be fired 2 years ago

If we are questioning Price then let's ask this: why on earth did he just do a double switch in the 5th? He already has Schebler out, Suarez out. Only guys left on the bench after the unnecessary double switch are Ervin, Mesoraco, and Schebler (if he can even PH). Just hit Garrett in his normal spot here.

[JaxRed]

If we are questioning Price then let's ask this: why on earth did he just do a double switch in the 5th? He already has Schebler out, Suarez out. Only guys left on the bench after the unnecessary double switch are Ervin, Mesoraco, and Schebler (if he can even PH). Just hit Garrett in his normal spot here.

Good point.

[Tony Cloninger]

Might as well have hit Tallion to begin the inning.

[NebraskaRed]

Obviously, the Reds are not off to a good start, but is there any other announcing team that is this relentlessly negative about the team they're calling?

[RedTeamGo!]

If we are questioning Price then let's ask this: why on earth did he just do a double switch in the 5th? He already has Schebler out, Suarez out. Only guys left on the bench after the unnecessary double switch are Ervin, Mesoraco, and Schebler (if he can even PH). Just hit Garrett in his normal spot here.

Because Price is incompetent and needs to be fired two years ago.

[JaxRed]

Bench coach should be on top of that switch also. Now just hoping for a good Garrett showing.

[The Operator]

Don't worry guys, all part of the plan.

Dick is doing things his way.

[Ron Madden]

I Hope and Pray that Geno's hand isn't broken...

[WrongVerb]

any reason why someone wasn't warming up at the top of this inning with Mahle at 80-something pitches?

Bryan Price.

[The Operator]

Bryan Price.
Hey now, we need Bryan around to work with all of these young pitchers. Or something.

[Tony Cloninger]

Bench coach should be on top of that switch also. Now just hoping for a good Garrett showing.

Between you and me I hope he runs out of players. Just want to see it happen in 9 innings and then see what the excuse is.

[WrongVerb]

I Hope and Pray that Geno's hand isn't broken...

Because the Reds won't put him on the DL, choosing instead to "see what they have" in Pennington?

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My Giants fan wife just suggested the Reds fold for the seasonand come back next year with all new guys. She gets it.

[Ron Madden]

Between you and me I hope he runs out of players. Just want to see it happen in 9 innings and then see what the excuse is.

I'd rather see the Reds come back and win this game...

Little chance of that happening though with Flynn and Chaney now in the lineup.

[RedTeamGo!]

Don't worry guys, all part of the plan.

Dick is doing things his way.

Which aspect of today’s game has to do with Dick Williams other than Price being the manager still?

Mahle is a rookie that had a bad performance and shocker, the Pirates beaned a batter that had a good game the night before.

[NebraskaRed]

Can Molina come over to Pittsburgh and give this ump a shove?

[Ron Madden]

Because the Reds won't put him on the DL, choosing instead to "see what they have" in Pennington?

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My Giants fan wife just suggested the Reds fold for the seasonand come back next year with all new guys. She gets it.

NO.. Because we need Geno in the lineup.

[Kc61]

Because Price is incompetent and needs to be fired two years ago.

The reasons for the double switch were -

1. So that Garrett’s hitting turn wouldn’t come up for a while. So he could stay in and and pitch a long stint with no pinch hitter necessary for awhile.

2. So that a bench player would get an opportunity for some innings.

[The Operator]

Which aspect of today’s game has to do with Dick Williams other than Price being the manager still?

Mahle is a rookie that had a bad performance and shocker, the Pirates beaned a batter that had a good game the night before.

Bryan Price. Putting a four year old in charge of a Major League Baseball team and this is what you get.

The buck stops at him. Until they replace him it's a clear sign they're still tanking, all part of "the plan".


I mean, the guy is just incompetent. You're not trying to win ball games if he's your manager.


And to be clear, I'm not mad at Mahle at all. Dude's gonna be jut fine. I'm mad at the poor decisions being made in the dugout.

[Big Klu]

And we have the Miami Valley pop-up ad.

I look forward to more pop-up commercials from other advertisers in the middle of game action as the season continues.

[klw]

Good point.

Man the week has just started and I used my good point for the week. I may as well call in sick all week.

[JaxRed]

The reasons for the double switch were -

1. So that Garrett’s hitting turn wouldn’t come up for a while. So he could stay in and and pitch a long stint with no pinch hitter necessary for awhile.

2. So that a bench player would get an opportunity for some innings.

That's the reason for a double switch. But, when you are down two players, you have to adjust. In this case not doing the switch was probably a better idea.

[50YrRedsFan]

I'd rather see the Reds come back and win this game...

Little chance of that happening though with Flynn and Chaney now in the lineup.

Along with Paul Householder and Tom Lawless.

[WrongVerb]

The reasons for the double switch were -

1. So that Garrett’s hitting turn wouldn’t come up for a while. So he could stay in and and pitch a long stint with no pinch hitter necessary for awhile.

2. So that a bench player would get an opportunity for some innings.

A 5-0 deficit after 4.2 innings is something like an 80% chance the pirates are going to win the game. No reason Garrett can't hit when his spot comes up as it likely won't make a difference anyway.

[NebraskaRed]

I don't think Thom has ever seen, read about, or heard about a major league baseball game in which one team has only 1 hit and no runs before this one.

[Ron Madden]

Geno has a broken thumb! :(

[JaxRed]

Gotta think Senzel is coming up.

[Tony Cloninger]

This Tallion guy. Bad enough he hit Suarez but just looking at him is annoying. Reminds me of the bald guy from The Hills Have Eyes.

[RedTeamGo!]

Gotta think Senzel is coming up.

Next week

[The Operator]

Sounds like The Reds need to retaliate. Pirates are known to be bean ball hunters and just injured one of our main guys.

I rarely call for it but someone on their side needs drilled.

[Big Klu]

Gotta think Senzel is coming up.

Alex Blandino (already on the 40-man roster)

[Kc61]

That's the reason for a double switch. But, when you are down two players, you have to adjust. In this case not doing the switch was probably a better idea.

They are down 5-0. The idea is to let Garrett pitch a long stint. And avoid using two or three additional relievers.

There’s a game tomorrow too.

I’m not worried about the short bench. I don’t expect extra innings today.

Correct move.

[WrongVerb]

Next week

After they keep Suarez active for a week just in case his thumb fixes itself miraculously.

[jredmo2]

Only silver lining here is Geno gets to sport a hilarious "thumbs up" cast

[Tony Cloninger]

Sounds like The Reds need to retaliate. Pirates are known to be bean ball hunters and just injured one of our main guys.

I rarely call for it but someone on their side needs drilled.

I thought Mahle had the perfect opportunity. First batter up was Tallion and he was already at 80 pitches.

[RedTeamGo!]

Clint Hurdle is such a scumbag

[The Operator]

They are down 5-0. The idea is to let Garrett pitch a long stint. And avoid using two or three additional relievers.

There’s a game tomorrow too.

I’m not worried about the short bench. I don’t expect extra innings today.

Correct move.
So let him pitch a long stint. Who cares if his spot in the battin order comes up when you're down 5 runs??

[50YrRedsFan]

Suarez was one of the few players hitting....that's going to hurt.

[klw]

Just let Garrett hit here and pitch the 8th.

[Ron Madden]

I thought Mahle had the perfect opportunity. First batter up was Tallion and he was already at 80 pitches.

Jose Rijo woulda drilled Tallion.

[WrongVerb]

Bryan Price. Putting a four year old in charge of a Major League Baseball team and this is what you get.

The buck stops at him. Until they replace him it's a clear sign they're still tanking, all part of "the plan".


I mean, the guy is just incompetent. You're not trying to win ball games if he's your manager.


And to be clear, I'm not mad at Mahle at all. Dude's gonna be jut fine. I'm mad at the poor decisions being made in the dugout.

When I complain about Price not putting players in a position to succeed, that fifth inning with Mahle is a perfect example. Coming to 80 pitches and third time through the order and the Pirates having a scouting report on Mahle, you don't pull him but your leash has to really tighten on him. That includes having someone warming slowly in the bullpen and watching how hard Mahle is getting hit. Price didn't seem to do either.

[Kc61]

A 5-0 deficit after 4.2 innings is something like an 80% chance the pirates are going to win the game. No reason Garrett can't hit when his spot comes up as it likely won't make a difference anyway.

So if Garrett comes up with bases loaded, you just let him hit?

No, you allow Garrett to pitch as long as possible without a turn at bat. That’s what a double switch is all about.

And then, if he comes up with men on base, you can hit for him.

[Tony Cloninger]

Jose Rijo woulda drilled Tallion.

Soto too. Cueto I think.

[The Operator]

When I complain about Price not putting players in a position to succeed, that fifth inning with Mahle is a perfect example. Coming to 80 pitches and third time through the order and the Pirates having a scouting report on Mahle, you don't pull him but your leash has to really tighten on him. That includes having someone warming slowly in the bullpen and watching how hard Mahle is getting hit. Price didn't seem to do either.
He's literally always playing catch up.

He's a bad manager.

[Big Klu]

I hate to say this, but THom actually said something that made some sense in regards to Senzel.

[757690]

So if Garrett comes up with bases loaded, you just let him hit?

No, you allow Garrett to pitch as long as possible without a turn at bat. That’s what a double switch is all about.

And then, if he comes up with men on base, you can hit for him.

He was leading off the next inning.

[Kc61]

When I complain about Price not putting players in a position to succeed, that fifth inning with Mahle is a perfect example. Coming to 80 pitches and third time through the order and the Pirates having a scouting report on Mahle, you don't pull him but your leash has to really tighten on him. That includes having someone warming slowly in the bullpen and watching how hard Mahle is getting hit. Price didn't seem to do either.

Oh, he didn’t SEEM to do either.

[The Operator]

Jose Rijo woulda drilled Tallion.
I'd be tempted to fire a baseball inside the Pirates dugout at Hurdle.

That man is such a piece of garbage.

[50YrRedsFan]

Thom basically saying the Reds don't know what their doing

[Ron Madden]

I hate to say this, but THom actually said something that made some sense in regards to Senzel.

What did he say?

[WrongVerb]

So if Garrett comes up with bases loaded, you just let him hit?

No, you allow Garrett to pitch as long as possible without a turn at bat. That’s what a double switch is all about.

And then, if he comes up with men on base, you can hit for him.

I believe the pitcher's spot was up second in the next inning, though I could be mistaken.

[NebraskaRed]

When I complain about Price not putting players in a position to succeed, that fifth inning with Mahle is a perfect example. Coming to 80 pitches and third time through the order and the Pirates having a scouting report on Mahle, you don't pull him but your leash has to really tighten on him. That includes having someone warming slowly in the bullpen and watching how hard Mahle is getting hit. Price didn't seem to do either.

Exactly.

If you told me that Price has been directed by the higher ups that his goal is not to win the games but only to develop the pitchers in a certain way, I'd have zero problem believing that.

[WrongVerb]

Oh, he didn’t SEEM to do either.

Nope.

[KronoRed]

And we have the Miami Valley pop-up ad.

I look forward to more pop-up commercials from other advertisers in the middle of game action as the season continues.

You're looking at the future, game in a little box and non stop commercials on most of the screen.

You'll be able to see the game in full screen for a modest fee.

[klw]

http://78.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lfrdq2bYTQ1qf8yek.gif

[Tony Cloninger]

Exactly.

If you told me that Price has been directed by the higher ups that his goal is not to win the games but only to develop the pitchers in a certain way, I'd have zero problem believing that.

This has to be it. Doesn’t it?

[WVRedsFan]

Gotta think Senzel is coming up.

You just never know with this bunch. More likely Senz stays down while, as someone else said, to see how Gosselin and Pennington do. Dysfunctional. The Cincinnati Dysfunctionals we are.

[Big Klu]

Jose Rijo woulda drilled Tallion.


Soto too. Cueto I think.

Rijo, maybe.
Soto, definitely.
Cueto, probably not.
Browning, yes.
Charlton, absolutely.
Dibble, without a doubt.
Borbon, do we even have to ask?

[bleedsred]

So, what is the timeline on a fractured thumb? 8-9 weeks?

Now watch Gallardo be lights out...

[Donder]

Gallardo time! [emoji482]

[NebraskaRed]

Blandino has been pulled from the Louisville game

[RedTeamGo!]

You just never know with this bunch. More likely Senz stays down while, as someone else said, to see how Gosselin and Pennington do. Dysfunctional. The Cincinnati Dysfunctionals we are.

He’s not coming up right away. If the reds wait until Thursday they will get another year of control before FA. It’s litetally 5 days.

[50YrRedsFan]

Rijo, maybe.
Soto, definitely.
Cueto, probably not.
Browning, yes.
Charlton, absolutely.
Dibble, without a doubt.
Borbon, do we even have to ask?

Dibble didn't need an excuse...He'd throw at anyone, anytime.

[Ironman92]

Geno has a broken thumb!:(

Damnit

[NebraskaRed]

13445

[WrongVerb]

Soto too. Cueto I think.

I'll never forget the night Pedro Martinez had a perfect game going into the eighth inning and drilled Reggie Sanders on purpose. This is the game, I believe: https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MON/MON199404130.shtml

[Tony Cloninger]

Rijo, maybe.
Soto, definitely.
Cueto, probably not.
Browning, yes.
Charlton, absolutely.
Dibble, without a doubt.
Borbon, do we even have to ask?

Don’t think we have to go far to remember that 1974 game against Pittsburgh were Borbon went after people during that crazy fight.

[WrongVerb]

13445

Because why would you want to being up the best option when you can outsmart the rest of baseball and bring up someone else?

[WVRedsFan]

He’s not coming up right away. If the reds wait until Thursday they will get another year of control before FA. It’s litetally 5 days.
True. Hadn't thought of that, but the sentiment still is somewhat true.

[Big Klu]

What did he say?

He was expressing the same confusion that many on RedsZone have shown as to the short-term defensive plans for Senzel--2B, SS, or 3B.

[WrongVerb]

He’s not coming up right away. If the reds wait until Thursday they will get another year of control before FA. It’s litetally 5 days.

All the Reds have to do is send him down when Suarez is back. It ought to only be like six weeks or so, since there's no soft tissue damage.

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Dibble didn't need an excuse...He'd throw at anyone, anytime.

Remember when he drilled the guy as he was running to first trying to bunt for a base hit?

[RedTeamGo!]

Because why would you want to being up the best option when you can outsmart the rest of baseball and bring up someone else?

Come on man, you are smarter than this. It’s litetally 5 days in April.

[NebraskaRed]

Gallardo takes an hour but he gets out of an inning without giving up any runs

[RedTeamGo!]

All the Reds have to do is send him down when Suarez is back. It ought to only be like six weeks or so, since there's no soft tissue damage.

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Remember when he drilled the guy as he was running to first trying to bunt for a base hit?

Good call, Senzel comes up, bats .350 and sets baseball world on fire and then you send him down in June. That won’t be weird at all.

[KronoRed]

All the Reds have to do is send him down when Suarez is back. It ought to only be like six weeks or so, since there's no soft tissue damage.


Not worth the risk, if he's hitting well and the Reds try that they can catch a nice grievance and lose the year of control anyway.

[WrongVerb]

Come on man, you are smarter than this. It’s litetally 5 days in April.

I just don't trust the Reds to follow through on this course of action. Better to cut to the chase now.

[texasdave]

Yovani's ERA dips to a respectable 30.86.

[RedTeamGo!]

I just don't trust the Reds to follow through on this course of action. Better to cut to the chase now.

It is absolutely not better to call him up now instead of Thursday. Again, we are talking litetally days.

[Tom Servo]

I'm pretty tired of service time games but if it's literally three days they might as well just wait.

[50YrRedsFan]

All the Reds have to do is send him down when Suarez is back. It ought to only be like six weeks or so, since there's no soft tissue damage.

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Remember when he drilled the guy as he was running to first trying to bunt for a base hit?

I remember it well.

[WVRedsFan]

Those two pitches to Billy were out of the zone, if it makes any difference,

[WrongVerb]

Not worth the risk, if he's hitting well and the Reds try that they can catch a nice grievance and lose the year of control anyway.

And if Blandino goes 9-18 with two walks and a home run, and they send him out to bring up Senzel, that's not going to look questionable either?

[klw]

I'm pretty tired of service time games but if it's literally three days they might as well just wait.

Plus, the can shift Senzel over to 3rd at Louisville to get him a few fresh reps there.

[50YrRedsFan]

The Reds offense needs a lot of help.

[NebraskaRed]

not sure, but is this Taillon's first complete game? They haven't mentioned it

[KronoRed]

And if Blandino goes 9-18 with two walks and a home run, and they send him out to bring up Senzel, that's not going to look questionable either?

Price isn't going to play Blandino, he'll find a nice warm spot on the bench.

[Boston Red]

Dibble didn't need an excuse...He'd throw at anyone, anytime.

He was even willing to charge the plate.

[Ron Madden]

Anyone know how long Senzel has to stay down to avoid the Supper Two Rule ?

[klw]

Chad walks, here comes the rally!

[Boston Red]

Joey Votto can go ahead and start hitting. That would be nice.

[Tom Servo]

Lot easier to throw a complete game one-hitter when you break one of the best hitter's thumbs.

[50YrRedsFan]

Joey Vitro can go ahead and start hitting. That would be nice.

Anyone hitting would be nice.

[Donder]

And if Blandino goes 9-18 with two walks and a home run, and they send him out to bring up Senzel, that's not going to look questionable either?

No, in that case you keep Blandino up and start him 4-5 times a week at 2B, 3B, SS.

Or keep Senzel down an extra month. Doesn’t hurt anything unless you think it’ll cost them a run at the playoffs.

[RedTeamGo!]

And if Blandino goes 9-18 with two walks and a home run, and they send him out to bring up Senzel, that's not going to look questionable either?

If that happens you DFA Gosselin and Blandino’s control is not nearly as important as Senzel’s

[klw]

Chad walks, here comes the rally!

or not

[Tony Cloninger]

anyone know how long senzel has to stay down to avoid the supper two rule ?

literally days. Perhaps hours even. I HAD THIS IN ALL CAPS FOR EFFECT. WHO EDITED THIS? It was just caps man.

[Roy Tucker]

Hmmm. Check in here to see how the game went.

A 5-zip score is not good, a one hitter is ugh, but Suarez with a busted thumb is oh no.

[The Operator]

Lot easier to throw a complete game one-hitter when you break one of the best hitter's thumbs.

I keep saying this but someone needs to pay for this. Drill Josh Harrison next time he comes up. Something.


But Clint Hurdle needs to know what it feels like.

[KronoRed]

I keep saying this but someone needs to pay for this. Drill Josh Harrison next time he comes up. Something.


But Clint Hurdle needs to know what it feels like.
Whoa now...you can't bean "CINCINNATI'S OWN JOSH HARRISON"!

[Ron Madden]

literally days. Perhaps hours even.

I don't know but that just doesn't seem right to me. I hope you're right.

[Big Klu]

Anyone know how long Senzel has to stay down to avoid the Supper Two Rule ?

Supper for Two:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/JzzE6XLbC8M/maxresdefault.jpg

[The Operator]

Whoa now...you can't bean "CINCINNATI'S OWN JOSH HARRISON"!

I'd feel ESPECIALLY good about drilling Cincinnati's own Josh Harrison. Shut the TV guys up for once.