4/20/18 - Reds @ Cardinals (Riggleman's interim debut)

[Tom Servo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbQGo57VQAA2RZW.jpg

[klw]

Worst lineup Riggleman has run out there so far!!!!!!!!!!

[JaxRed]

Best lineup Riggleman has run out there so far!!!!!!

[membengal]

That's a pretty okay line-up/batting order, frankly.

[redsmetz]

Well, he's addressed a couple of things RZ folks have commented on - Blandino in the line-up and Hamilton batting 9th.

[klw]

Best lineup Riggleman has run out there so far!!!!!!

You would say that! You have been defending him ever since he put out his first Reds lineup!

[NebraskaRed]

with a new manager, I think it's only fair if the Reds are allowed to play the first 18 games over again.

[Larry Schuler]

All I have seen, time and time again, in every single post, is people say "Great! Firing Price solves all the problems and the Reds are going to be undefeated from now on!" and I want to be the first to say SORRY but firing Price won't make the Reds a perfect, invincible team from now until the end of time. SORRY to burst your bubble and rain on your parade but it HAD to be said before today's game starts.

[Tracy Jones]

https://youtu.be/h0i62GnQoo0

[Rolando]

All I have seen, time and time again, in every single post, is people say "Great! Firing Price solves all the problems and the Reds are going to be undefeated from now on!" and I want to be the first to say SORRY but firing Price won't make the Reds a perfect, invincible team from now until the end of time. SORRY to burst your bubble and rain on your parade but it HAD to be said before today's game starts.

Firing price won't make them worse I am sure of that. ;)

[NebraskaRed]

Senzel at 3rd for the Bats tonight. Interpret that however you'd like.

[KronoRed]

Nice lineup.

[malcontent]

Peraza in the 2-hole. Ugh.

[Kc61]

Is Schebler back up with the team?

[Donder]

This lineup card is PRICELESS!


I’ve been waiting the last two days to say that.

[UKWhoDey]

We'll win tonight and then drop 10 straight.

[Tom Servo]

Is Schebler back up with the team?
Fay says he is in the clubhouse.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Fay says he is in the clubhouse.

Dusty must have left a note for all future managers; even if the player says he's healthy don't play him until he's rusty, love Dusty.

[Reds Fanatic]

While he is there so far they have not made an official roster move to activate him

[NebraskaRed]

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Tomorrow: Delabar to the Reds

Next week: Then Reds release Delabar and sign Gallardo

Following week: Then release Gallardo and sign Delabar

[klw]

While he is there so far they have not made an official roster move to activate him


John Fay
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Schebler activated. Cody Reed optioned.

[Edskin]

with a new manager, I think it's only fair if the Reds are allowed to play the first 18 games over again.

Please God no, we'd probably go 2-16 this time

[JaxRed]

If Schebler is active, why not him instead of Duvall against a righty?

[UPRedsFan]

If Schebler is active, why not him instead of Duvall against a righty?

Sure Marty will ask on the pregame show

[NebraskaRed]

Riggleman's comments indicate that he doesn't think there is much wrong with the lineup but perhaps there were issues with players being prepared, but I don't think it's mere coincidence that Blandino is starting today.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2018/04/20/cincinnati-reds-gave-jim-riggleman-chance-after-chance-meeting-walt-jocketty/538102002/

[Circleville Guy]

There’s only so much a manager can do with what he has to choose from to create a lineup card. It’s basically, where to hide this or that turd in the lineup.

[Circleville Guy]

Every game, the opposing team has better talent at like 6 o7 of the starting 9 positions. Our best player has been very mediocre so far. I’d say that may have a tad to do with this losing. The order of the lineup just glosses over that most of these guys shouldn’t be starters. Ownership has to add talent to win with any consistency.

[Alf_Red_E]

I think Finninagain will be Finnoutagain soon enough, so far He's stuck with Priceless' rotation, but I'd rather see a change.

I'll give him a little Riggle room for now... Got Dance with the roster ya got.

[Kc61]

Riggleman's comments indicate that he doesn't think there is much wrong with the lineup but perhaps there were issues with players being prepared, but I don't think it's mere coincidence that Blandino is starting today.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/mlb/reds/2018/04/20/cincinnati-reds-gave-jim-riggleman-chance-after-chance-meeting-walt-jocketty/538102002/

I agree, I’d put Blandino out there, but it seems ironic that the franchise of the BRM is now exciting fans by putting a rookie hitting .059 at third base.

[757690]

I agree, I’d put Blandino out there, but it seems ironic that the franchise of the BRM is now exciting fans by putting a rookie hitting .059 at third base.

Willie Mays was batting .038 after his first 7 games. So Blandino is on pace to be better than Willie Mays.

[JohnC.]

Fay says he is in the clubhouse.

Fay says someone is reporting that Schebler is in the clubhouse

[Alf_Red_E]

This is Blandino's 'cup of coffee' that ends in about 30 days. I'm not reading anything into it except "let the yutes play"

[Alf_Red_E]

I'd replace Billy with Schemp, take my defensive lumps and use billy in PR situations to generate a run

but he gets "Riggle room" for at least 15 games (its fair)

[JohnnyBaseball]

So let's start off on the right foot with a win.

[Tracy Jones]

I'd replace Billy with Schemp, take my defensive lumps and use billy in PR situations to generate a run

but he gets "Riggle room" for at least 15 games (its fair)

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[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff hit for Winker

[Red Raindog]

Leadoff hit for Winker

genius move

[Tom Servo]

genius move
Extend Riggleman

[Alf_Red_E]

The 'other' stooge... LOL

[Reds Fanatic]

Peraza grounds into a 4-6-3 DP

[Tom Servo]

Peraza grounds into a 4-6-3 DP
Fire Riggleman

[Reds Fanatic]

Riggelman gets his first lesson in why Peraza should not bat 2nd

- - - Updated - - -

Votto grounds out and slams his helmet to the ground

[JaxRed]

Peraza was a little more patient. I wonder if he was told to take a strike?

[KronoRed]

If Winker reaches base then Peraza should just bunt...no exceptions.

[Alf_Red_E]

Joey cursing that he hit INTO the shift again?????

"Then don't do it". Cobb laughed when he heard Ted Williams complain about the same alignments Joey sees

[Reds Fanatic]

Leadoff hit for Pham

[Tom Servo]

John Fay
@johnfayman

Talked to Danny Darwin. Said he’ll just get a feel for things for a few days. Added this: "We’re going to pitch inside. That’s one thing that needs to happen here, try to get part of the plate.” #reds

[Reds Fanatic]

Carpenter lines out to left

[Tom Servo]

Carpenter lines out to left
George sounded a little disappointed it didn't fall in lol.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is good news. Kind of sad it took a new pitching coach to figure that out

[Tony Cloninger]

That’s promising. It needs to be done more often with this crew.

[Reds Fanatic]

Bloop hit to right for Martinez. 1st and 3rd

[ochoa30]

That guy gets so many bloop hits against us

[Tom Servo]

Bloop hit to right for Martinez. 1st and 3rd
Not much going right for Finnegan so far.

[Alf_Red_E]

That "seeing eye single" the cow boy alluded to was a ball the BP would have made into an out

[ochoa30]

That "seeing eye single" the cow boy alluded to was a ball the BP would have made into an out

Sure, maybe 5 years ago.

[Reds Fanatic]

Wild pitch moves Martinez to 2nd

[KronoRed]

Love hearing some George Grande.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ozuna walks. Bases loaded and our biggest pain up to bat

[Tom Servo]

This could end poorly, need a ball on the ground.

[membengal]

Grande being assigned to the cards series is the front office punishing the fan base, right?

[rooscooter]

Wow... couldn't go much worse for Finnegan to start.

[Reds Fanatic]

I hate Molina. 2 run double. 2-0 Cards

[Tom Servo]

ugh

[membengal]

Finnegan still makes me sad.

[Wonderful Monds]

Finnegan suxxx

Start Garrett

[Tom Servo]

Finnegan suxxx

https://media.giphy.com/media/FPKpAtj49ixIk/giphy.gif

[rooscooter]

Another game we're behind again in the first couple innings. 2 runs seems insurmountable anymore.

[Tadasimha]

I hate neck tat so much

[Kc61]

Finnegan has been effective with the changeup. Doesn’t seem to be throwing it tonight.

Just used it and got a swinging strike.

[Alf_Red_E]

Now THIS is the 2018 Reds team I know

[Reds Fanatic]

Gyorko sac fly to track in left. 3-0 Cards

[BillyJoeJimBob]

That "seeing eye single" the cow boy alluded to was a ball the BP would have made into an out

that's a little bit of crazy talk....BP isn't that guy anymore.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

[Wonderful Monds]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FPKpAtj49ixIk/giphy.gif

lmao

I am being reductive, he is my #2 or potential Reds starters who aren’t named Castillo or Mahle, but I think Amir should be starting right now tbh

[mth123]

Finnegan suxxx

Start Garrett

Whut?? He's a proven mid rotation starter, or so I've read on Redszone. Remember 2 years ago when he had an FIP over 5 and was among the league leaders in Walks and HR allowed? He proved it then.

[Donder]

I hate neck tat so much

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[KronoRed]

I like Harrison Bader
*ducks*

[Baseballdad37]

Is Finnegan even good???

[Tadasimha]

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Road gray Jedi

[malcontent]

Riggelman gets his first lesson in why Peraza should not bat 2nd.
If only he had been paying attention...

[Rolando]

Finnegan needs to pitch in Louisville for awhile

[Reds Fanatic]

Darth Bader with a walk. Finnegan already at 28 pitches

[JohnnyBaseball]

Will he make it thru the first ?

[Alf_Red_E]

that's a little bit of crazy talk....BP isn't that guy anymore.

Can you ever recall him (BP) Not sliding to make a stop? Scooter gave up on that ball

Yeah, BP today, sitting in his living room... gets that ball

[Red Raindog]

Guess the 420 celebration will be early tonight




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[Falls City Beer]

Finnegan needs to pitch from the pen.

[KronoRed]

Can almost hear Darwin thinking....'it's the freaking 1st inning...'

[Tom Servo]

He's a proven mid rotation starter, or so I've read on Redszone.
http://wp.production.patheos.com/blogs/daylightatheism/files/2014/01/StrawMan2.jpg

[BillyJoeJimBob]

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

because Finnegan can't get anybody out?

[Falls City Beer]

Rested bullpen tho

[Baseballdad37]

So what's change??? Finnegan sucks!!

[Reds Fanatic]

It is finally over DeJong strikes out looking

[rooscooter]

Only 33 pitches. He's good for 2.1 innings tonight.

[Edskin]

Is Finnegan even good???

No. I have no idea why anyone has penciled him in as some sort of future piece.

[BillyJoeJimBob]

Can you ever recall him (BP) Not sliding to make a stop? Scooter gave up on that ball

Yeah, BP today, sitting in his living room... gets that ball

meh

[Tadasimha]

It is finally over DeJong strikes out looking
Paul Dejong Silver needs to watch the video again

[InsaneinthBrame]

Finnegan rusty what a surprise being out a year. I guess we could not afford him to knock the rust off in AAA

[Tom Servo]

Cool how we've determined that Finnegan is actually the world's worst pitcher based on the first 5.1 innings back from injury.

[Tadasimha]

Time to make Fozzie work

[Reds Fanatic]

Scooter with a leadoff hit

[Tracy Jones]

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[Tadasimha]

Cool how we've determined that Finnegan is actually the world's worst pitcher based on the first 5.1 innings back from injury.

RZ snap judgement app is working well - midseason form

[Red Raindog]

Shot up the middle by Scoooter --- or 32 bouncer -- same difference to George


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[wical_29]

Gotta drink some of the Kool Aid that Tom is drinking. This is hard to watch.

[Tom Servo]

Gotta drink some of the Kool Aid that Tom is drinking. This is hard to watch.
Cram it, rando.

[KronoRed]

Chris making it seem like Price was too buddy buddy.

[Larkin11]

Finnegan is still rusty, but imo, he's never shown enough to be a starter. He needs to stay in the bullpen, where I think he could really shine.

[Tony Cloninger]

Cram it, rando.

I think he meant Thom Brenneman or Boo-urns.

[Reds Fanatic]

After the leadoff hit the Reds go down quickly

[Tony Cloninger]

Chris making it seem like Price was too buddy buddy.

Then he shoulda hit someone. There were plenty of options.

[JohnnyBaseball]

Seems like I've seen this movie before ?

[Reds Fanatic]

3 walks already for Finnegan

[Strikes Out Looking]

Finnegan just needs to be more aggressive - he should just jump in and throw strikes like he was jumping into a boat, I think he's done that before.

[Reds Fanatic]

Reds baseball. Could have been an inning ending DP but Votto's throw hits Pham in the back of the head

[Alf_Red_E]

Seems like I've seen this movie before ?

Hit the runner ought to be an out... used to be

[KronoRed]

Bullpen time.

[Reds Fanatic]

Make it 4-0 as Martinez doubles in a run

[ochoa30]

Awful pitch there. Finnegan has no clue where the ball will end up.

[Alf_Red_E]

Bullpen time.

Is Amir good for 4 innings?

[KronoRed]

That guy is tall.

[Kc61]

Riggleman era so far. Down 4-0 in the second inning, one replay challenge lost.

[Mutaman]

Cool how we've determined that Finnegan is actually the world's worst pitcher based on the first 5.1 innings back from injury.

About as cool as counting on him as a starter based on what he showed before suffering a year long injury.

[Tony Cloninger]

Seems like I've seen this movie before ?

I think it’s the movie the passengers were watching on Airplane!

[Mutaman]

Chris making it seem like Price was too buddy buddy.

Wouldn't it be fair to say that both Price and Dusty were players managers? Maybe its time to bring in someone who is a little more of a tough guy. or better yet- bring in a Lombardi/Sparky type who can be both depending on the need.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Why did Finnegan bat when Garret will end up pitching next inning?

[Reds Fanatic]

Billy with a bloop hit to left

[Kc61]

If Finnegan is this rusty then he probably should have had more minor league rehab.

This has the feeling of a pitcher with good stuff who isn’t quite ready to go.

[Tadasimha]

...and BHam gets a hit

[Reds Fanatic]

Winker lines a single to right. 1st and 3rd

[KronoRed]

Welsh not lobbing softballs to Williams.

[Tadasimha]

Little something cooking - no DP, JoZa!

[Strikes Out Looking]

Welsh not lobbing softballs to Williams.

What's he asking?

[Reds Fanatic]

Peraza sac fly to left. 4-1 but then Winker is thrown out at 2nd

[GaiusBallstar]

Welsh not lobbing softballs to Williams.

What's he saying? I'm stuck with the Cards feed.

[Crumbley]

Dick in the booth talking about sloppy play needing to end as the third out is made on bonehead base running

[KronoRed]

What's he asking?

Williams is putting out the "we needed a change blah blah" Welsh asking "what's really going to be different..what's gonna change?"

[Mutaman]

What's he saying? I'm stuck with the Cards feed.

ASking him what exactly he did on the Bush campaign.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Williams is putting out the "we needed a change blah blah" Welsh asking "what's really going to be different..what's gonna change?"

Bet you he doesn't have the guts to ask if there will be a no relatives in the front office policy anytime soon.

[GaiusBallstar]

Williams is putting out the "we needed a change blah blah" Welsh asking "what's really going to be different..what's gonna change?"

Nice, thanks.

[RED VAN HOT]

Dick in the booth talking about sloppy play needing to end as the third out is made on bonehead base running

Don't like the result, but like the attempt. Reds showing some aggressiveness.

[Tom Servo]

Who has a "no nonsense" counter for this interview lol

[REDREAD]

If Finnegan is this rusty then he probably should have had more minor league rehab.

This has the feeling of a pitcher with good stuff who isn’t quite ready to go.

Welsh even said that it would have been better for Finnegan to have more rehab time before coming back.

[durl]

Dick in the booth talking about sloppy play needing to end as the third out is made on bonehead base running

Is that on Winker or Hatcher?

[Reds Fanatic]

Infield hit for Bader

- - - Updated - - -

Bader steals 2nd

[REDREAD]

Dick Williams said that Riggleman was chosen because he has been in these situations before (interim manager on a losing team)

They are going back to fundamentals. Riggleman makes the players work more, was not popular with vets at other clubs but Reds vets are behind it.

DW said "it was too early in the season to get comfortable with losing

DW said he thought the Reds had an improved roster in 2018 and expected them to be better than 2017 94 loss team

Don't want Senzel to come up and feel pressure to be the hero. Want him to get comfortable with advanced pitching. Said Senzel is making mistakes in the minors that are not acceptable in the big leagues (not sure if he meant defense, offense, or what)

[Kc61]

Why not ask Dick Williams directly — shouldn’t the team be looking outside the organization to shore up the roster?

[durl]

Looked like Bader was halfway to 2nd before Tucker got the pitch.

[wical_29]

Wonder if Welsh is wearing a gas mask so he can breath since he is having a bunch smoke blown up his rear end

[membengal]

Welsh even said that it would have been better for Finnegan to have more rehab time before coming back.

Well, when the Reds saw him walk five in five innings and give up eight hits in his one rehab start you can’t really fault them for figuring he was absolutely ready to take that goodness back to the majors as soon as possible...

[Tom Servo]

About as cool as counting on him as a starter based on what he showed before suffering a year long injury.
I'm on record for saying the Reds going into this season counting on the same guys who were injured the year before was dumb. That doesn't change that I'm not the type to watch a few innings post injury and say "Well, bullpen. That's that then."

The baseball (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brandon-finnegan-looks-like-a-starter/) media (https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/brandon-finnegan-improves-again-probably/) was buying Finnegan starting pitcher stock, it's not like it's me and Williams loyalists pushing this idea that everyone thinks can't work.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blandino with kind of rough inning defensively but he recovers there to end the inning

[Rolando]

That was 20 minutes of mind numbing non sense from Williams.

[membengal]

Man, I don’t like his answer on finnegan - grande said “this is like spring training for him” and Williams said “we didn’t have benefit of unlimited rehab starts” - but they certainly could have given him more than one, right?

[durl]

DW said "it was too early in the season to get comfortable with losing.

I'm shocked he said this. Well, I'm shocked they did something and said it.

[ScotlandRed]

David Hernandez gives up 4 earned runs in 0.1 innings. He’s ready!

[KronoRed]

That was 20 minutes of mind numbing non sense from Williams.

Corporate speak.

[wical_29]

Why didn’t they have the benefit of multiple rehab starts for him ?

[Rolando]

Corporate speak.

Wow he is over his head

[REDREAD]

DW said they have improved stuff in the front office, but need to continue improvement.
Says that mistakes get made, they (FO) needs to learn from it, fixing the scouting and player evaluation is a never ending process.

Everyone in front office and ownership is "busting their tails" to improve the club ( :lol: )

DW also made a comment early in the interview about how he didn't like how the players were being prepared at the end of last season and spring training and it carried into the start of the year.

SW said that Riggleman is a viable candidate for permanent manager, but they will cast a wide net, search high and low.

Basically they will continue to rotate OF, put people in the position to succeed, said some guys are making a case to get more time.

Disco is about to do some rehab assignments soon, said we can expect to see him back up soon.

Everyone is really encouraged with the progress Suarez is making recovering from injury.

Said Reds did not have the luxury of giving Finnegan the right amount of rehab starts, so Finnegan was rushed back.

[Reds Fanatic]

Votto walks twice in one at bat

[Tracy Jones]

I knew with Price gone that Williams would become the new face of evil

[Strikes Out Looking]

DW said "it was too early in the season to get comfortable with losing



Unlike the Dusty Years when it was ok to be comfortable with losing in late September and then October.

[Tom Servo]

DW said they have improved stuff in the front office, but need to continue improvement.
Says that mistakes get made, they (FO) needs to learn from it, fixing the scouting and player evaluation is a never ending process.

Everyone in front office and ownership is "busting their tails" to improve the club ( :lol: )

DW also made a comment early in the interview about how he didn't like how the players were being prepared at the end of last season and spring training and it carried into the start of the year.

SW said that Riggleman is a viable candidate for permanent manager, but they will cast a wide net, search high and low.

Basically they will continue to rotate OF, put people in the position to succeed, said some guys are making a case to get more time.

Disco is about to do some rehab assignments soon, said we can expect to see him back up soon.

Everyone is really encouraged with the progress Suarez is making recovering from injury.

Said Reds did not have the luxury of giving Finnegan the right amount of rehab starts, so Finnegan was rushed back.
Oh man, just noticed the Dick line added to your sig. He's up there with John Allen already, huh?

[Reds Fanatic]

He sounded positive about Suarez being back soon I just hope they are not rushing him before he is fully healed

[Tony Cloninger]

Welsh even said that it would have been better for Finnegan to have more rehab time before coming back.

Did he ask DW why he is here based on the obvious?

[Strikes Out Looking]

I knew with Price gone that Williams would become the new face of evil

You haven't been reading the board, he's been the co-face of evil for a few weeks at this point.

[membengal]

Did he ask DW why he is here based on the obvious?

See above from me and redread. All he said was they didn’t have ability of “giving unlimited rehab starts” but no follow-up on why only one. Williams also complained about Finnegan having to see same team back to back and righty heavy at that but that begs the question further about why they rushed him into that situation when his one rehab start didn’t scream that he was ready...

[REDREAD]

Why didn’t they have the benefit of multiple rehab starts for him ?

PRobably because they don't have enough depth to cover the rotation, I assume.

[Rolando]

You haven't been reading the board, he's been the co-face of evil for a few weeks at this point.

Who is the face of eivl?

[Tony Cloninger]

See above from me and redread.

Got it. By the time I wrote it and posted it there were about 6 new ones.

[Kc61]

PRobably because they don't have enough depth to cover the rotation, I assume.

Right.

I watch this game with Finnegan doing essentially a rehab start and Blandino getting valuable reps but hitting .056 and shaky on defense tonight, and it’s just obvious why they can’t win.

If your goal is rebuilding with kids, then accept losses. If your goal is to win, bring in some better established players.

[Cyclone792]

If Finnegan somehow pitched a full season in the rotation - not that that'll happen - he'd lead the world in walks allowed.

[Reds Fanatic]

Tucker flies out to the track in right center.

[mth123]

PRobably because they don't have enough depth to cover the rotation, I assume.

Yep. When was it that they could have done something about that?

[Tracy Jones]

You haven't been reading the board, he's been the co-face of evil for a few weeks at this point.

Price got the vast majority of the vitriol. Now Williams will get that treatment. Not so easy to scapegoat fire him though. The coaching staff, the scouting department, and much of the roster will be gutted before Dick Williams gets the axe.

[Tony Cloninger]

Did anyone ask Williams If he is getting enough sleep yet?

[Strikes Out Looking]

Who is the face of eivl?

Relative Dick

[rooscooter]

Lead off walk.... pop up and 2 "at em" balls.

[Tom Servo]

If Finnegan somehow pitched a full season in the rotation - not that that'll happen - he'd lead the world in walks allowed.
He's already done the first my dude, but Jimmy Nelson beat him out for most walks. Plus it's a pretty big world out there.

[mth123]

Did anyone ask Williams If he is getting enough sleep yet?

He slept all winter. That's why Finnegan had to be rushed back.

[REDREAD]

Oh man, just noticed the Dick line added to your sig. He's up there with John Allen already, huh?

DW has not reached the John Allen level of evil yet, it was just that sentence made me roll laughing.

[Tom Servo]

Dylan Floro in for the 5th.

[Reds Fanatic]

Floro in. Finnegan tonight: 3IP, 5H, 4ER, 4BB, 2K

[REDREAD]

Did he ask DW why he is here based on the obvious?

DW admitted to Finnegan being rushed back , but he gave himself an excuse by saying "the reds did not have the luxury of giving him infinite rehab starts"
or something lame like that, can't remember exact words.

And DW did not take any responsibility for the bad start. Blamed Price and the players for not being prepared.
So the message is that Riggleman will whip them back into shape and get them to hustle.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Floro in. Finnegan tonight: 3IP, 5H, 4ER, 4BB, 2K

Cody Reed could do that in his sleep.

[rooscooter]

3 innings for Finnegan. I was off by 2 outs. Rusty for sure but barely broke 91 and seemed to have little idea where the ball was going.

[Cyclone792]

He's already did the first my dude, but Jimmy Nelson beat him out for most walks. Plus it's a pretty big world out there.

True, but in fairness Finnegan's BB/9 was worse than Nelson's in 2016.

[Reds Fanatic]

Martinez 3 hits in 4 innings

[REDREAD]

Alright guys, I am going to get a beer and watch some live music.. Will be back tomorrow to suffer again..

[ochoa30]

Lol, they just cant get this guy out. The cards always find players like this somehow

[Kc61]

He slept all winter. That's why Finnegan had to be rushed back.

Pretty good one.

[Tracy Jones]

Cody Reed could do that in his sleep.

I think you underestimate Reed’s ability to blow up

[Reds Fanatic]

Another good inning for Floro

[Strikes Out Looking]

Sometimes, on nights when Finnegan or Reed is pitching, I stalk this guy (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cuetojo01.shtml) like an old girlfriend, and think if we'd just spent a little money and had a little romance.

[Kc61]

Dylan Floro in for the 5th.

It’s the fourth, Finny only worked three innings.

76 pitches.

[Tom Servo]

The Floro experiment is interesting, just throwing guys out there who, if nothing else, you know for sure won't walk guys. I imagine Zach Neal could be up in short order with the hope of providing the same thing.

[Strikes Out Looking]

I think you underestimate Reed’s ability to blow up

No, I just estimate that he can be just as bad as tonight's starting pitcher.

[Kc61]

The Floro experiment is interesting, just throwing guys out there who, if nothing else, you know for sure won't walk guys. I imagine Zach Neal could be up in short order with the hope of providing the same thing.

I take Floro and Neal to be a direct statement to the lack of command contingent.

[Crumbley]

Bullpen time for Finnegan. Worked for Amir.

[ochoa30]

Sometimes, on nights when Finnegan or Reed is pitching, I stalk this guy (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cuetojo01.shtml) like an old girlfriend, and think if we'd just spent a little money and had a little romance.

Hope I'm wrong but I just dont see him having success for much longer. Good to see him out to a fast start though. In no world would it have made sense to sign him but I do wish the reds got something back that had worked out by now. Still have some hope for Finnegan and Reed but its fading fast.

[Tracy Jones]

No, I just estimate that he can be just as bad as tonight's starting pitcher.

Oh he can be worse. And quite often is.

[Reds Fanatic]

Blandino now down to .053

[Tracy Jones]

I take Floro and Neal to be a direct statement to the lack of command contingent.

I’d much rather watch a pitcher get smacked around than watch him walk guys and then get smacked around

[Kc61]

Blandino now down to .053

And that doesn’t include 0 for 8 at AAA.

[ochoa30]

Blandino now down to .053

Be nice to atleast see some hard hit balls. Hasn't looked good early on.

[Strikes Out Looking]

This Reds team can make the worst pitchers look good.

If Dick wants a disciplinarian for this team, I'm available.

[Tony Cloninger]

DW admitted to Finnegan being rushed back , but he gave himself an excuse by saying "the reds did not have the luxury of giving him infinite rehab starts"
or something lame like that, can't remember exact words.

And DW did not take any responsibility for the bad start. Blamed Price and the players for not being prepared.
So the message is that Riggleman will whip them back into shape and get them to hustle.

Only old blood and guts Patton could do that. Too much fancy cafe drinking.

[Cyclone792]

Sometimes, on nights when Finnegan or Reed is pitching, I stalk this guy (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cuetojo01.shtml) like an old girlfriend, and think if we'd just spent a little money and had a little romance.

The current combined WAR return of the Cueto deal is -0.6.

[wical_29]

Blandino was terrible at hitting in the minors. Sad that he was the best option

[757690]

Matt Harvey made two rehab starts last year, so Williams seems to be mistaken.

https://www.mlb.com/news/matt-harvey-makes-second-rehab-start/c-248900402

[Tracy Jones]

The current combined WAR return of the Cueto deal is -0.6.

Meanwhile Cueto is sporting a 0.45 ERA in San Francisco

[Alf_Red_E]

Another good inning for Floro

Using Floro for multiple innings???

Saving Amir for later... 5 days later

[Roy Tucker]

Floro doesn’t throw hard but does hit the edges.

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I keep thinking Floro needs a sister named Fauna.

[Reds Fanatic]

1-4-3 DP to end the inning. Bader disagrees

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and Bader is safe

[ochoa30]

1-4-3 DP to end the inning. Bader disagrees

He's right unfortunately

[wical_29]

Can we just have the bullpen be the 4th and 5th starters.

[Reds Fanatic]

Ground rule double on a ball I thought Winker would get to

[Crumbley]

TBF to Dick I've tried a few different times in OOTP 19 and cannot figure out a way to make the Reds good either

[Roy Tucker]

Winker isn’t exactly a gazelle in RF.

[Cyclone792]

Meanwhile Cueto is sporting a 0.45 ERA in San Francisco

Yep, we traded the wrong pitcher.

By the way, I was curious so I looked this up. The infamous 2006 trade - we all know which one I'm talking about - garnered the Reds a -0.5 WAR for their combined return.

So right at this very moment the Cueto trade has been worse in combined WAR than the infamous 2006 trade. And considering that 2006 trade had Majewski involved, that's an impressive accomplishment for the current Reds FO.

[ochoa30]

Ground rule double on a ball I thought Winker would get to

Seemed to be way too shallow against a guy with Dejong's pop

[wical_29]

That should have been caught

[rooscooter]

Wow.... we need a sacrifice to JuBu or something.

[Tom Servo]

Yep, we traded the wrong pitcher.

You mean they extended the wrong pitcher, right? Because not trading Cueto in July 2015 doesn't fix the whole 'impending free agency' thing.

[KronoRed]

TBF to Dick I've tried a few different times in OOTP 19 and cannot figure out a way to make the Reds good either

OOTP hates the Reds pitchers, none of them turn out.

[Tracy Jones]

Winker isn’t exactly a gazelle in RF.

13539

[Cyclone792]

You mean they extended the wrong pitcher, right? Because not trading Cueto in July 2015 doesn't fix the whole 'impending free agency' thing.

Well if you want to nitpick, yes, extended the wrong guy which in turn meant trading the wrong guy.

[Strikes Out Looking]

You mean they extended the wrong pitcher, right? Because not trading Cueto in July 2015 doesn't fix the whole 'impending free agency' thing.

IIRC, the comments were they didn't even talk to him about an extension - meanwhile a year earlier they signed Bailey to a huge extension.

[Reds Fanatic]

Another quick turn at bat for the Reds

[JCM11]

Peraza is the most useless player I've ever seen.

[50YrRedsFan]

Winker isn’t exactly a gazelle in RF.

He is a d/h waiting to happen.

[Tracy Jones]

Yep, we traded the wrong pitcher.

By the way, I was curious so I looked this up. The infamous 2006 trade - we all know which one I'm talking about - garnered the Reds a -0.5 WAR for their combined return.

So right at this very moment the Cueto trade has been worse in combined WAR than the infamous 2006 trade. And considering that 2006 trade had Majewski involved, that's an impressive accomplishment for the current Reds FO.

That’s...very depressing

[ochoa30]

Where art thou Home Runs?

[Strikes Out Looking]

5 pitches, 3 outs. Way to go Reds. Fire Riggleman.

[KronoRed]

IIRC, the comments were they didn't even talk to him about an extension - meanwhile a year earlier they signed Bailey to a huge extension.

Could have been worse, we would have signed Latos long term

[Reds Fanatic]

2nd K for Floro

[Tom Servo]

Well if you want to nitpick, yes, extended the wrong guy which in turn meant trading the wrong guy.
Sorry, but I find the whole discussion a bit tedious. Everyone and their mother knew some three years that, whoops, turns out Cueto was the best of the bunch. We on Redszone thought overwhelmingly it should have been Latos to get the extension. Cueto was injury prone, Bailey was the one to trade, Latos was the one to extend.

If the Cueto trades busts, it busts. But the hindsight stuff bores me.

[50YrRedsFan]

How long do you stick with guys that aren't performing?

[JohnC.]

Well so much for working the count.:beerme:

[Reds Fanatic]

I hate to tell Welsh but this team down 3 is a blowout situation

[Tracy Jones]

How long do you stick with guys that aren't performing?

4 years and counting

[50YrRedsFan]

If the Reds broadcasters spoke their minds, there wouldn't be any.

[Reds Fanatic]

3 solid innings for Floro. I so appreciate a pitcher that throws strikes.

[Tom Servo]

Nice work from Floro.

[ochoa30]

3 solid innings for Floro. I so appreciate a pitcher that throws strikes.

Does a good job missing the sweet spot of bats so far. Hope he can keep it up.

[CrackerJack]

The "pitch to contact" edict has been issued, once again.

[KronoRed]

Reds in a hurry.

[ochoa30]

Duvall the king of the can of corn

[Reds Fanatic]

An actual hit from Blandino. 1st and 2nd