Reds @ Twins 4-29-18

[Ron Madden]

1. Jesse Winker (L) RF
2. Jose Peraza (R) SS
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Scooter Gennett (L) DH
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Scott Schebler (L) CF
7. Adam Duvall (R) LF
8. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
9. Alex Blandino (R) 2B

Tyler Mahle (R) P

[JaxRed]

So effectively, it's Blandino for Hamilton. I can live with that. Billy also available for pinch runner/defense.

[mth123]

So effectively, it's Blandino for Hamilton. I can live with that. Billy also available for pinch runner/defense.

Except Schebler in CF and Winker in RF. Keystone cops in the OF day. 2B should be better defensively. That should help.. Hope Mahle gets lots of Ks and Ground balls to 3B.

[RedTeamGo!]

Why is Duvall being treated like a good player? Winker should be in LF.

[Kc61]

Why is Duvall being treated like a good player? Winker should be in LF.

The Reds bench today is Rosell Herrera, Devin Mesoraco and Billy Hamilton. Only three because of the DH.

Whom would you substitute for Adam Duvall?

[The Operator]

Wonder how long we're gonna roll with Scooter hitting cleanup over Geno?

[RedTeamGo!]

The Reds bench today is Rosell Herrera, Devin Mesoraco and Billy Hamilton. Only three because of the DH.

Whom would you substitute for Adam Duvall?

LF Winker
CF Hamilton
RF Schebler

I’m aware Hamilton is a terrible hitter, but at least he’s an elite defensive CF, which is even more fine with a DH involved.

Winker needs to be playing LF every day his season. Playing RF is absurd.

[Tuff Nut]

The Reds bench today is Rosell Herrera, Devin Mesoraco and Billy Hamilton. Only three because of the DH.

Whom would you substitute for Adam Duvall?

I'd give Rosell a start in center, with Shebler in right and Jesse in left.

[Kc61]

LF Winker
CF Hamilton
RF Schebler

I’m aware Hamilton is a terrible hitter, but at least he’s an elite defensive CF, which is even more fine with a DH involved.

Winker needs to be playing LF every day his season. Playing RF is absurd.

I’m sure there are many posters who think it would be absurd to play Hamilton today after his offensive performance yesterday. Man on third less than two outs - twice - failed to score the runner in a close one.

Winker is in the lineup today, he’s getting his PAs, Scooter is the guy getting to DH today so Jesse will have to make do in RF.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m sure there are many posters who think it would be absurd to play Hamilton today after his offensive performance yesterday. Man on third less than two outs - twice - failed to score the runner in a close one.

Winker is in the lineup today, his usual position in an AL park - DH - is taken by Gennett.

I disagree about Winker playing DH.

This is a lost season. He is a rookie that needs improvement defensively in the OF. LF is his position moving forward. Even if the manager refuses to play Hamilton in CF today, put Duvall in RF. The issue here is for some insane reason this organization acts like Duvall is the every day LF and he has to play there. It’s bonkers.

[Kc61]

I disagree about Winker playing DH.

This is a lost season. He is a rookie that needs improvement defensively in the OF. LF is his position moving forward. Even if the manager refuses to play Hamilton in CF today, put Duvall in RF. The issue here is for some insane reason this organization acts like Duvall is the every day LF and he has to play there. It’s bonkers.

Frankly, your comment doesn’t say much for Winker. Playing LF isn’t nuclear physics. Winker can adjust eventually. Playing RF is a bit harder, so LF should be easier for him next year.

Duvall is a good LFer, his BABIP is .197, his K and BB rates are improved, he’s likely to hit better going forward. If so, maybe it increases his trade value.

I could see the argument if Winker was on the bench frequently. That hasn’t happened.

[RedTeamGo!]

Frankly, your comment doesn’t say much for Winker. Playing LF isn’t nuclear physics. Winker can adjust eventually. Playing RF is a bit harder, so LF should be easier for him next year.

Duvall is a good LFer, his BABIP is .197, his K and BB rates are improved, he’s likely to hit better going forward. If so, maybe it increases his trade value.

I could see the argument if Winker was on the bench frequently. That hasn’t happened.

Of course Duvall is likely to get “better,” it would be difficult to be worse. He’s a deeply flawed player who hasn’t been a decent hitter since last June. He needs to be benched. His trade value will never increase because the league knows exactly what he is, which is bad.

[RedTeamGo!]

Since July 1, 2017:

Adam Duvall (age 29): .202/.269/.383
Billy Hamilton (age 27): .234/.300/.324
Jose Peraza (age 24): .273/.318/.343

.269!!!! OBP since last July. Get this man off my favorite team’s starting lineup. He’s bad.

[mth123]

I’m sure there are many posters who think it would be absurd to play Hamilton today after his offensive performance yesterday. Man on third less than two outs - twice - failed to score the runner in a close one.

Winker is in the lineup today, he’s getting his PAs, Scooter is the guy getting to DH today so Jesse will have to make do in RF.

It's not about Winker. It's about Tyler Mahle. Schebler in CF and WInker in RF qualifies as substandard working conditions for any Reds pitcher. The OF rotation Ill conceived with this group of outfielders.

[Kc61]

.269!!!! OBP since last July. Get this man off my favorite team’s starting lineup. He’s bad.

Duvall also had 70 extra base hits for two seasons consecutively. He’s not a part of the future, but if he gets hot - as he’s done before - he could have trade value at the deadline for a team looking for some immediate power.

But let’s not avoid the main issue here. Winker is getting his playing time. Some of it is in RF, but I don’t see that as a major issue. Switching over to LF should not be a huge deal.

[Kc61]

It's not about Winker. It's about Tyler Mahle. Schebler in CF and WInker in RF qualifies as substandard working conditions for any Reds pitcher. The OF rotation Ill conceived with this group of outfielders.

If you want to maximize conditions for Mahle then Gennett and Winker should both sit or DH. There’s a trade off when Hamilton sits, but today the choice was more offense.

Besides, if you look at Mahle’s numbers, the major problem is HRs allowed. If he keeps the ball in the stadium he should be all right.

[mth123]

Of course Duvall is likely to get “better,” it would be difficult to be worse. He’s a deeply flawed player who hasn’t been a decent hitter since last June. He needs to be benched. His trade value will never increase because the league knows exactly what he is, which is bad.

I have to agree about Duvall. His trade value is probably run of the mill middle reliever. The kind you can get for cheap every year. Not sure investing PT in him for the sake of trade value makes any sense. I culd see the argument that Winker, Schebler, Votto, Gennett, Hamilton and Barnhart (both Switch Hitters better from the LH side) makes the line-up too left handed and they want the RH power bat in there, but that is more of a win today's game argument and the Reds have proven over and over that winning any individual game simply doesn't matter to them or the roster wouldn't be so floawed in the first place. The priority needs to be Mahle and that means no Schebler in CF and no Winker in RF. I'd be fine with Herrera in CF if they think Billy needs to sit.

[mth123]

If you want to maximize conditions for Mahle then Gennett and Winker should both sit or DH. There’s a trade off when Hamilton sits, but today the choice was more offense.

Besides, if you look at Mahle’s numbers, the major problem is HRs allowed. If he keeps the ball in the stadium he should be all right.

Extra hits allowed, extra base runners, extra pitches isn't the way a team should be breaking in a 23 year old starter. The rebuild will only go as far as the starters take it. The Reds should do all they can to remove every obstacle. I agree about Gennett and Winker. I'd be shopping both along with Duvall and Schebler. At least two need to go, maybe three. Poor planning over the winter means they are stuck with this group of players, but they don't have to play Schebler in CF or Winker in RF though when one of the young arms is on the mound. They can experiment when Bailey starts.

[Kc61]

Extra hits allowed, extra base runners, extra pitches isn't the way a team should be breaking in a 23 year old starter. The rebuild will only go as far as the starters take it. The Reds should do all they can to remove every obstacle. I agree about Gennett and Winker. I'd be shopping both along with Duvall and Schebler. At least two need to go, maybe three. Poor planning over the winter means they are stuck with this group of players, but they don't have to play Schebler in CF or Winker in RF though when one of the young arms is on the mound. They can experiment when Bailey starts.

You’re so worried about Mahle’s outfielders but you’re willing to play Rosell Herrera in CF. Sight unseen. Odd.

The Reds went with a more offensively based lineup today after their multiple offensive failures yesterday. It’s fine. Someday if they have more two-way players who excel both offensively and defensively they won’t have these choices to make.

[757690]

Of course Duvall is likely to get “better,” it would be difficult to be worse. He’s a deeply flawed player who hasn’t been a decent hitter since last June. He needs to be benched. His trade value will never increase because the league knows exactly what he is, which is bad.

This is inaccurate. From July to September last year, Duvall put up a .710 OPS. It really has just been the last two months, September 2017 and April 2018 that he has been terrible. And this April's slump is defined more his below .200 BABIP than anything else. The rest of his stats are the same as when he's been productive.

You are basically reacting like most fans, they see him in a slump and assume he sucks. But he should get back to being a solid, league average LF soon. That happens by playing regularly.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is inaccurate. From July to September last year, Duvall put up a .710 OPS. It really has just been the last two months, September 2017 and April 2018 that he has been terrible. And this April's slump is defined more his below .200 BABIP than anything else. The rest of his stats are the same as when he's been productive.

You are basically reacting like most fans, they see him in a slump and assume he sucks. But he should get back to being a solid, league average LF soon. That happens by playing regularly.

I think he’s Chris Shelton.

[mth123]

This is inaccurate. From July to September last year, Duvall put up a .710 OPS. It really has just been the last two months, September 2017 and April 2018 that he has been terrible. And this April's slump is defined more his below .200 BABIP than anything else. The rest of his stats are the same as when he's been productive.

You are basically reacting like most fans, they see him in a slump and assume he sucks. But he should get back to being a solid, league average LF soon. That happens by playing regularly.

Left fielder that hits in the middle of the order with a .710 OPS qualifies as terrible. He's not a SS or a catcher. I actually kind of like Duvall, he plays solid defense, he's not a TOOTBLAN waiting to happen and I like his power, but if Winker plays it's either as DH or LF for me and Scott Schebler doesn't play CF. One guy is a 30 year old stopgap at this point. The other was one of the team's top prospects who may very well play a large role in the future. The idea should have been to move one over the off-season. Rotating so the 2/3rds of the OF is playing a position they have no business playing with a rotation full of young starters is just stupid. Fantasy Baseball GM move IMO.

[mth123]

You’re so worried about Mahle’s outfielders but you’re willing to play Rosell Herrera in CF. Sight unseen. Odd.

The Reds went with a more offensively based lineup today after their multiple offensive failures yesterday. It’s fine. Someday if they have more two-way players who excel both offensively and defensively they won’t have these choices to make.

I'll give you that Herrera isn't ideal out there either and his minor league resume isn't long with CF play, but it keeps Schebler and Winker from playing CF and RF respectively. I'd just play Billy when the kids are on the mound, if he's healthy. He can get his rest when Bailey pitches.

[Reds Fanatic]

Winker just missed there deep fly out to left

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Peraza singles to left center

[Reds Fanatic]

4 pitch walk to Votto

[RedTeamGo!]

Why does Scooter bat cleanup with Suarez healthy? Schebler as well.

[Reds Fanatic]

Scooter grounds into a 4-6 FC. 1st and 3rd

[Tom Servo]

Why does Scooter bat cleanup with Suarez healthy? Schebler as well.
27 HRs, 97 RBI :bang:

[Reds Fanatic]

Suarez doubles to left. 1-0 Reds!

[Tom Servo]

Geno is #good

[Reds Fanatic]

Schebler grounds out. 1-0 Reds mid 1st

[RedTeamGo!]

27 HRs, 97 RBI :bang:

Suarez immediately tells Riggs “wake up!”

[Reds Fanatic]

Mahle strikes Dozier out swinging

[Tom Servo]

Wow I didn't realize this is the last year of that extension Mauer signed years ago.

[Reds Fanatic]

Mauer lines out to left

[InsaneinthBrame]

Winker would not have caught that lol

[Reds Fanatic]

Good inning for Mahle ends with a flout to left

[mhs95_06]

Scooter grounds into a 4-6 FC. 1st and 3rd

Thom wonders why the 2nd baseman gave the SS such a soft throw for the force out, thinking they should have tried for a DP. I'm thinking that that 2nd baseman was thinking that there was no chance for the DP and didn't want the the SS to try to get any ideas of such by giving a perfectly firm and accurate throw that he might try to much to get a DP and throw the ball away giving the Reds a run, so he lobbed it over to take any ideas of a DP away from the SS.

[Tom Servo]

Like those Riggleman quotes.

[Umkubas]

He’s bad.

The most effective part of Duvall's game is his salary....$510,000 in 2016.....$577,500 in 2017........$645,000 in 2018.

Duvall's 74 home runs and 229 runs batted in are a bonus to his minimum salary. A Major League team can not have a salary lower than Duvall's.

[Reds Fanatic]

Duvall just swung at ball 4 and pops out

[RedTeamGo!]

Like those Riggleman quotes.

What were they?

[Reds Fanatic]

Barnhart walks

[Tom Servo]

The most effective part of Duvall's game is his salary....$510,000 in 2016.....$577,500 in 2017........$645,000 in 2018.

Duvall's 74 home runs and 229 runs batted in are a bonus to his minimum salary. A Major League team can not have a salary lower than Duvall's.
He produced cheap power, which was what I hoped from him when the Reds acquired him. But there's a shelf life on that, both in cheapness and the effectiveness of the power. Duvall has reached his.

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What were they?
Basically saying that if anybody has a problem with their playing time or being pinch hit for or whatever that they need to suck it up and play better, and that "it's about the 25 players, not the 1". The camera showed Billy while Jim Day recited these lines lol.

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Stop saying Stanford and Samford, I do not care.

[JaxRed]

He made an out but that was still nice at bat from Blandino. Didn't chase balls out of strike zone.

[Tom Servo]

Winker RBI double!

2-0 Reds

[JaxRed]

That RF was pretty casual on that ball.

[NebraskaRed]

That RF was pretty casual on that ball.

I was just about to say that their entire team seems sluggish

[Tom Servo]

I was just about to say that their entire team seems sluggish
If they keep playing like this on the heels of their Wild Card appearance last year the Twins might be in the uncomfortable position of firing Molitor. He's a holdover from the previous regime to boot.

[JaxRed]

If they keep playing like this on the heels of their Wild Card appearance last year the Twins might be in the uncomfortable position of firing Molitor. He's a holdover from the previous regime to boot.

I don't know what their GM and minor league status is, but they have a lot of bad salaries coming off the board in next 2 years.

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Mahle trying to strand a leadoff double.

[KronoRed]

Why is Duvall being treated like a good player? Winker should be in LF.

30 homers and 100 rbi's.:cool:

[Tom Servo]

Think that's a smart move to pitch around Morrison with an open base. Hopefully it is, anyway.

Yup, Mahle knew what he was doing. Very nice.

[NebraskaRed]

I know this is well worn territory, but Thom talks about other teams like they're the second coming, but Mahle strands a leadoff double and Thom sounds like he's ready for a nap.

[Umkubas]

Well done

[Tom Servo]

Thom aiming high, wanting to see some groundouts to score the runners on 2nd and 3rd.

[JaxRed]

Be patient Schebler....

[Tom Servo]

3-0 Reds on a Schebler groundout

[KYExtemper]

Thanks for the run, Twins!

[JaxRed]

Schebler has had 2 opportunities to really do some damage.

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Need Duvall to get this run in.

[Tom Servo]

Schebler has had 2 opportunities to really do some damage.
Should have swung at that first pitch fastball down Broadway, but SOMEBODY insisted he "be patient"

[NebraskaRed]

future Reds HOF Matt Magill warming up

[The Operator]

4-0 good guys

[Tom Servo]

Duvall beats out a DP, Thom's groundball plan works to perfection.

4-0 Reds.

[The Operator]

Duvall picks their pocket on the base paths.

[JaxRed]

Well, Duvall got the run in.....

[Kc61]

Billy needs to focus on Schebler and Duvall’s at bats this inning.

Powerful position to be able to score a run with an out.

[The Operator]

Duvall beats out a DP, Thom's groundball plan works to perfection.

4-0 Reds.

How dare you question him in the first place?


He's the freaking voice of the team!

[757690]

Duvall does his Frazier impression.

[JaxRed]

Tucker is scuffling recently.....

[NebraskaRed]

Cardinals being no hit thru 6 innings

[The Operator]

So I was doing yard work they the first two innings.

I see Mahle has the punchout pitch working again. If he can start improving on the 3rd time thru the order watch out.

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5 K's

[757690]

Cardinals being no hit thru 6 innings

By Nick Kingham, making his MLB debut.

[Umkubas]

Former Stanford Cardinal, Jason Castro comes to the plate with a .135 batting average

[Tom Servo]

Mahle eating Brian Dozier's lunch.

[NC Reds]

Love me some Mahle.

[NebraskaRed]

By Nick Kingham, making his MLB debut.

Cardinals seem to always struggle with rookies. I think that says a lot about how their success is tied to their research/prep against known pitchers.

[The Operator]

By Nick Kingham, making his MLB debut.

Didn't Brian Reith carry a no no into the 5th inning in his debut?

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Nice easy 1-2-3 inning for Mahle

[NebraskaRed]

Schebler seemed to forget that he caught the third out.

[Umkubas]

Mahle thru 3 innings on 43 pitches

[JaxRed]

Former Stanford Cardinal, Jason Castro comes to the plate with a .135 batting average

I thought he went to Samford.

[Umkubas]

Go Stanford Cardinal baseball

[InsaneinthBrame]

It is amazing how good Mahle is the first two times through the order vs the third time.
4r in 23 innings guys hitting under .200
11r in 3.2 the third time through with opponents hitting .609 ba with 2.039 ops :eek:

[WrongVerb]

Chris and Thom are confused about why the Twins manager removed the pitcher who wasn't pitching well. They're not used to seeing that.

[The Operator]

Blandino has now hit safely in 7 straight.

[Tom Servo]

Blandino has now hit safely in 7 straight.
Bryan Price wanted to go with Pennington and Gosselin.

[Umkubas]

Former Stanford Cardinal, Alex Blandino singles to lead off the top of the forth inning.

Go Stanford Cardinal baseball

[The Operator]

Twins scoreboard operator is a comedian.

Makes Winker wink on the scoreboard.

[Powel Crosley]

Thom loves that Winker/Winkler story.

[The Operator]

Bryan Price wanted to go with Pennington and Gosselin.

You can't overlook the veteran presence aspect.

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle, Winker, and Blandino giving us something to feel optimistic about

[The Operator]

Winker singles

Reds have some business

[NC Reds]

Winker with another hit. Rally time.

[The Operator]

Peraza!

5-0 Reds

[Tadasimha]

Something cooking and it smells good

[Red Raindog]

this game is fun so far

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle, Winker, and Blandino giving us something to feel optimistic about

and Peraza

[InsaneinthBrame]

Twins pen is not good

[Ironman92]

Drive one Joey

[Umkubas]

Go Canada Go

[Tadasimha]

Blandino one of the smaller guys on the team? Doesnt look very tall

[JaxRed]

Mr. Votto will let you know if that's a strike....

[The Operator]

Ah Joey

K. 1 down

[Ironman92]

Pick him up Scooter

[The Operator]

This guy Rogers and I both attended UK at the same time.

How bout that

[Ironman92]

Good AB by Scooter but he’s going down

[The Operator]

Scooter hits into the force out at second.

1st and 3rd, 2 down

Another pitching change

[Umkubas]

An eight pitch out for Gennett

[Big Klu]

Did Dr. Seuss write the dialogue for these Cincinnati Bell commercials?

[50YrRedsFan]

By Nick Kingham, making his MLB debut.

Perfect game through 6.

Perfecto & no hitter ended by DeJong single in the 7th inning.

[The Operator]

Geno!

6-0

[Tom Servo]

Imagine having Matt Magill in your bullpen in the year of our lord 2018

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lol Twins

[The Operator]

7-0 Reds

Boo birds in Minny

[Kc61]

Reds position player team and bullpen helped enormously as injured guys have come back.

Starting pitching still lags, has a ways to go.

Mahle has been the brightest light of the rotation.

7-0.

[NebraskaRed]

The Twins just don't care.

and we've seen what teams look like when they stop caring.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Reds position player team and bullpen helped enormously as injured guys have come back.

Starting pitching still lags, has a ways to go.

Mahle has been the brightest spot.

7-0.

Don't sell Homer short; he's been decent as well.

[The Operator]

Duvall with a not so great at bat

7-0 Reds middle of 4

[The Operator]

1 pitch out

[Birdman007]

In a game where about everyone for the Reds seems to be just falling into hits Duval manages to continue to just look awful at the plate.


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[The Operator]

Escobar with a hit

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Yes sirree!!!

Quick inning

[Tom Servo]

Yesiree!

[The Operator]

Yesiree!

Where do you find your avatar? It cracks me up and I can't find a bigger version to show my wife

[Tadasimha]

Mahle at 49 pitches through 4 - cruising

[The Operator]

5 pitch inning for Mr. Mahle


I approve

[Tom Servo]

Where do you find your avatar? It cracks me up and I can't find a bigger version to show my wife
Swiped it from the Reds instagram, the whole picture is pretty good.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhPeJodg6bn/?taken-by=reds

[The Operator]

Thom now talking about Arizona Cardinal football

[NebraskaRed]

That was fast. I started watching the Pacers game for a minute between innings and suddenly the inning was over.

[Kc61]

Don't sell Homer short; he's been decent as well.

Homer has to miss more bats. Romano has to miss more bats.

Everybody has to allow fewer homers.

Reds staff is worst in K rate and HRs allowed.

There are some nice stories, but only Mahle is looking like a winning starting pitcher right now.

[Umkubas]

Former Stanford Cardinal, Alex Blandino executes on his 25th fielding chance, earning his 15th fielding assist on a fourth inning ending double play.

Go Stanford Cardinal baseball

Mahle through four innings on 50 pitches

[The Operator]

Swiped it from the Reds instagram, the whole picture is pretty good.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BhPeJodg6bn/?taken-by=reds
Love it

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Reds made Magill look pretty good that inning

[JaxRed]

Former Stanford Cardinal, Alex Blandino executes on his 25th fielding chance, earning his 15th fielding assist on a fourth inning ending double play.

Go Stanford Cardinal baseball

Mahle through four innings on 50 pitches

I wish Mahle would have gone to Stanford....

[Tadasimha]

The top of the 5th goes by quickly as well

[Big Klu]

Thom now talking about Arizona Cardinal football

His two passions in life:

(1) Phoenix, Arizona, and (2) NFL football.

[The Operator]

Grossman flies out

1 down

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His two passions in life:

(1) Phoenix, Arizona, and (2) NFL football.
Getting to mention them both at the same time must be pure Nirvana

[Big Klu]

I wish Mahle would have gone to Stanford....

I must admit that I was a little disappointed that our resident Stanford superfan had no comment on former Cal Golden Bear, Bryan Price.

[The Operator]

Thom again praising wins and losses for pitchers

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6 K's for Mahle

63 pitches thru 5

[Strikes Out Looking]

Play along at home: at what point in the game does Billy come in to play CF, Winker go to LF and Schebler to RF?

[NC Reds]

Mahle is a unicorn in the pasture of the Reds pitching farm.

[JaxRed]

Play along at home: at what point in the game does Billy come in to play CF, Winker go to LF and Schebler to RF?

Not at all unless game tightens up.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Not at all unless game tightens up.

Uh, this is the Reds, they always tighten up - a 7 run lead is a close game.

[The Operator]

Reds with some business again

[Big Klu]

Play along at home: at what point in the game does Billy come in to play CF, Winker go to LF and Schebler to RF?

Not at all. Hamilton might come into the game in CF with Schebler moving to RF, but Duvall will remain in LF with Winker leaving the game.

[The Operator]

My god Thom's laugh is annoying

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Scooter disposed of in 3 pitches

[Big Klu]

My god Thom's laugh is annoying

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Scooter disposed of in 3 pitches

He sounds like a billy goat bleating when he laughs.

[klw]

Riggleman better get someone up.

[The Operator]

Leadoff double

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Ah Joey couldn't come down with the foul pop

[Tom Servo]

lol Votto

[Ironman92]

Not an easy play but lol nonetheless

[The Operator]

7 K's as Mahle continues to own Dozier

[Ron Madden]

No Play.. Wind Blown

[Tom Servo]

Dozier has no chance against Mahle.

[JaxRed]

I think Joey was looking in the stands picking out a fan to punk....

[The Operator]

Aye

Ground ball up the middle makes it 7-1

[Tom Servo]

shutout gone

[JaxRed]

It does look like a nice ballpark..

[Ron Madden]

Time to turn two

[The Operator]

2 down as Rosario flies out

[NC Reds]

I wonder if there is a team in MLB that gives up more hits on 0-2 counts than Reds.

[The Operator]

Inning over

Nice bounce back


Hopefully another inning left in Tyler

[Tom Servo]

Not much to be concerned about there in the 6th with Mahle. Left a hittable pitch up to lefty Castro that got hammered but still nearly caught, and a single up the middle that Mahle had almost knocked down.

[Kc61]

I wonder if there is a team in MLB that gives up more hits on 0-2 counts than Reds.

One of the things I like about Mahle is he goes after hitters 0-2. Usually not right down the middle, but not a complete waste pitch.

[ochoa30]

I wonder if there is a team in MLB that gives up more hits on 0-2 counts than Reds.

Right? That pitch should have been out of the zone but they try to get a guy out on 3 pitches everytime. Major league hitters are too good for that. Gotta mix it up a bit more especially later in games. Nice recovery by Mahle there though. Looking great again today.

[JaxRed]

That was a ball that probably would have been caught by Schebler and a seeing eye single. Still looking good.

[Tadasimha]

Inning over

Nice bounce back


Hopefully another inning left in Tyler

Just 82 pitches - he should at least get a shot to get through 7

[Ironman92]

Whoa

[The Operator]

An Adam Bomb!!

8-1

[Tom Servo]

Duvall! :jump:

[Ron Madden]

Adam Bomb!!!

[Tadasimha]

Boomstick!

[The Operator]

Barnhart singles

[Big Klu]

Duvall! :jump:

Wow!

[NebraskaRed]

Brewers are close to being swept in Chicago. What does that say about their next series against the Reds?

[mhs95_06]

Right? That pitch should have been out of the zone but they try to get a guy out on 3 pitches everytime. Major league hitters are too good for that. Gotta mix it up a bit more especially later in games. Nice recovery by Mahle there though. Looking great again today.

That's how important keeping the pitch count down has become.

[Kc61]

BTW Peraza is now hitting .302.

[NC Reds]

I look forward to Duffey providing veteran help in Cincy in five years.

[WrongVerb]

Did anyone catch that nugget from Thom right before Adam's bomb?

"The fewer pitches a pitcher throws, the more pitchers get hurt." Or something to that effect.

[ochoa30]

That's how important keeping the pitch count down has become.

And that's understandable especially with the young guys but you still gotta mix it up if you want to be effective 3 or 4 times through a lineup.

[Ron Madden]

Did anyone catch that nugget from Thom right before Adam's bomb?

"The fewer pitches a pitcher throws, the more pitchers get hurt." Or something to that effect.

:confused:

[The Operator]

Did anyone catch that nugget from Thom right before Adam's bomb?

"The fewer pitches a pitcher throws, the more pitchers get hurt." Or something to that effect.

I did but I think that was actually Chris Welsh


I love that guy but every now and then he gets a little too crusty old schooler for my liking. Still far and away the best guy we've got though on the Tv side or radio side for that matter

[ochoa30]

Did anyone catch that nugget from Thom right before Adam's bomb?

"The fewer pitches a pitcher throws, the more pitchers get hurt." Or something to that effect.

Pretty sure that was Welsh.

[Tadasimha]

Did anyone catch that nugget from Thom right before Adam's bomb?

"The fewer pitches a pitcher throws, the more pitchers get hurt." Or something to that effect.

He talking about the total number of pitches or the different types of pitches?

[WrongVerb]

I did but I think that was actually Chris Welsh


I love that guy but every now and then he gets a little too crusty old schooler for my liking. Still far and away the best guy we've got though on the Tv side or radio side for that matter


Pretty sure that was Welsh.

It may have been. I have a hard time telling them apart sometimes, so any dumb stuff I just automatically attribute to Thom.

[ochoa30]

He talking about the total number of pitches or the different types of pitches?

He's pretty much saying that ever since they have become strict with pitch counts injuries seem to have gotten worse. Atleast that was my take on it.

[Kc61]

BTW Peraza is now hitting .302.

Ok, short lived, but was accurate at the time.

[757690]

Did anyone catch that nugget from Thom right before Adam's bomb?

"The fewer pitches a pitcher throws, the more pitchers get hurt." Or something to that effect.

That might be Leo Mazzone’s old principal he’s referring to. He liked guys throwing a lot in between starts. He was against “babying” pitchers arms. He thought the more you threw on the side, the more durable you would be in the game.

[Tadasimha]

BTW Peraza is now hitting .302.

Just like that, he's down to .299

[Kc61]

Just like that, he's down to .299

Yeah, fleeting - that’s why I posted .302 very promptly.

[Tadasimha]

He's pretty much saying that ever since they have become strict with pitch counts injuries seem to have gotten worse. Atleast that was my take on it.

Okay, thanks

[NC Reds]

Yeah, fleeting - that’s why I posted .302 very promptly.

All glory is.

[Tadasimha]

Yeah, fleeting - that’s why I posted .302 very promptly.

Slumping :lol:

[The Operator]

That might be Leo Mazzone’s old principal he’s referring to. He liked guys throwing a lot in between starts. He was against “babying” pitchers arms. He thought the more you threw on the side, the more durable you would be in the game.

On one hand you could say he knew what he was doing but he also had the benefit of having 3 HOF pitchers in his rotation and a continual cast of pretty good guys behind them like Neagle, Millwood, Avery, etc.

[Tom Servo]

This discussion is so bad lol

[Kc61]

All glory is.

Right- I saw the movie.

Very truthful phrase.

[ochoa30]

On one hand you could say he knew what he was doing but he also had the benefit of having 3 HOF pitchers in his rotation and a continual cast of pretty good guys behind them like Neagle, Millwood, Avery, etc.

Would they have been that good without him though?

[The Operator]

Ah a walk to start the 7th

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And that's it for Mahle

[Strikes Out Looking]

He's pretty much saying that ever since they have become strict with pitch counts injuries seem to have gotten worse. Atleast that was my take on it.

Gary Nolan, Wayne Simpson, Jack Armstrong . . . something tells me that there is no definitive science on this.

[The Operator]

Amir Garrett coming in

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Would they have been that good without him though?

And there's the age old question

[ochoa30]

Gary Nolan, Wayne Simpson, Jack Armstrong . . . something tells me that there is no definitive science on this.

Yep. Guys are just throwing max effort now a days far more then in the past. That would be my guess as to the rise in arm injuries.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Not at all. Hamilton might come into the game in CF with Schebler moving to RF, but Duvall will remain in LF with Winker leaving the game.

My hat is off to you sir, you are today's Manager of the day!

[Big Klu]

I do think that slavish adherence to a hard pitch count is getting out of hand, though. Chris makes a good point. Why 100? Why not 107, or 89?

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle Mahle Mahle can't you see
sometimes your starts just mesmerize me

[Ron Madden]

Good Job Mahle!!!

[757690]

On one hand you could say he knew what he was doing but he also had the benefit of having 3 HOF pitchers in his rotation and a continual cast of pretty good guys behind them like Neagle, Millwood, Avery, etc.

Yeah, people like to point to Maddox, Glavine and Smoltz, but the Braves has plenty of pitchers get injured under Mazzone. I think pitching is unnatural, and pitchers get injured no matter what you do.

[Tadasimha]

Amir Garrett coming in
Would have given Mahle one more batter but heck of an outing!


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And there's the age old question

The older i get, the better they were

[JaxRed]

I like pulling Mahle there. Let him leave feeling good about what he did.

[The Operator]

I think I might have let Mahle try to finish that but I'm also not gonna complain about getting him out with a good line for the day.

[Kc61]

Little by little you see the “new” Reds team emerging.

Just have to hope it continues and accelerates.

[Strikes Out Looking]

Yep. Guys are just throwing max effort now a days far more then in the past. That would be my guess as to the rise in arm injuries.

I'm not even sure there is a rise in arm injuries - they may come later; additionally pitchers who are injured now are not necessarily career ending due to new surgeries and new science including Tommy John and platelet injections.

[Kingspoint]

Peraza up to .299 already. That .313 or .318 number I said was reachable, seems very reachable now.

This is 2 wins in 3 games this week for Riggleman with 3 or 4 games left to play in the week (Fri-Thu). The team is increasing it's positive consistency.

Now, we probably could have had a Starting Pitcher go 7 innings in a game where only 1 Reliever is needed, who only has to pitch two Innings, and a bottom-end Reliever at that, thus giving the entire bullpen a day off. But, Riggleman will save that for another day.

Cool stuff.

[WrongVerb]

Has anyone ever made a study of pitches thrown during stressful vs non-stressful times? If a pitcher is cruising, he's not throwing many pitches under duress. OTOH, if a pitcher is getting hit and waking guys, he's throwing many more pitches under duress. Both pitchers might end up throwing 100 pitches, but one takes 8 innings while the other takes 5 innings, isn't that going to put different amounts of wear on the arm, isn't it?

I mean, if you're looking fora reason why so many Reds pitches get injured, Price's habit of leaving guys in "to learn" when they were getting rocked or didn't have their best stuff means a lot of pitches under duress.

[The Operator]

I do think that slavish adherence to a hard pitch count is getting out of hand, though. Chris makes a good point. Why 100? Why not 107, or 89?

I threw 143 pitches in a summer league game once. I thought for sure my arm was nuked the next day but i was okay the next time out. Not something I wanted to make a habit of.

The very next year they had installed a pitch count limit :laugh:


I should add that I can barely play soft toss now without feeling like I need TJ surgery.

[Kc61]

Peraza up to .299 already. That .313 or .318 number I said was reachable, seems very reachable now.

This is 2 wins in 3 games this week for Riggleman with 3 or 4 games left to play in the week (Fri-Thu). The team is increasing it's positive consistency.

Now, we probably could have had a Starting Pitcher go 7 innings in a game where only 1 Reliever is needed, who only has to pitch two Innings, and a bottom-end Reliever at that, thus giving the entire bullpen a day off. But, Riggleman will save that for another day.

Cool stuff.

Need better starting pitching. Like they had today. I’m not sure if they yet have five guys who can do that. Hope so.

[The Operator]

Nice play by Votto to save the run from scoring as Fuvall's throw to 2B had nobody there to receive it

[WVRedsFan]

Super play by Adam in left

[JaxRed]

I threw 143 pitches in a summer league game once. I thought for sure my arm was nuked the next day but i was okay the next time out. Not something I wanted to make a habit of.

The very next year they had installed a pitch count limit :laugh:


I should add that I can barely play soft toss now without feeling like I need TJ surgery.

Are you...... (gasp) Nolan Ryan?

[Ron Madden]

Tuck is pretty good behind the plate

[ochoa30]

Come on Amir!

[Tadasimha]

Not at all. Hamilton might come into the game in CF with Schebler moving to RF, but Duvall will remain in LF with Winker leaving the game.

Nailed that :beerme:

[InsaneinthBrame]

Starting pitching is a huge concern.

I like the 4 young guys, but coming into this game all 4 had -fWAR.

Plus the depth behind them near the majors are lacking so much that they are pitching Castillo when they want to skip him.

Garrett seems to be no longer a starting option

Reed, Stephenson, Stephens. Lopez are all struggling at AAA
Reyes is struggling in AA
Mella is repeating AA and the AAA rotation is not that strong to keep him there

[The Operator]

Nice 96 mph fastball by Amir to end the inning


I could get used to having him down there in a fireman role but until The Reds have five competent starters I'm always gonna wonder if that's really where he should be.

[The Operator]

Are you...... (gasp) Nolan Ryan?

Well, I did throw pretty hard and walk a lot of guys (I grew like 6 inches one summer and even though I could throw the ball past everyone I could never repeat my delivery so I was, in a word, a bit wild), usually stranding them because I didn't give up many hits.


But no... :laugh:

[Strikes Out Looking]

1 game and 8 innings for Votto without a homer, I'm getting worried; they should probably try to unload him as he's holding back this team's rise.

[Kc61]

Starting pitching is a huge concern.

I like the 4 young guys, but coming into this game all 4 had -fWAR.

Plus the depth behind them near the majors are lacking so much that they are pitching Castillo when they want to skip him.

Garrett seems to be no longer a starting option

Reed, Stephenson, Stephens. Lopez are all struggling at AAA
Reyes is struggling in AA
Mella is repeating AA and the AAA rotation is not that strong to keep him there

I’m a bit more optimistic, but agree that it’s an issue. Just can’t get too hung up on April results.

Castillo should turn it around. The Louisville team lost games to weather, not many chances yet.

Finnegan probably just now getting the rust off.

Disco probably to return in a month.

But right now it’s the weak link IMO, has to develop.

[Big Klu]

I threw 143 pitches in a summer league game once. I thought for sure my arm was nuked the next day but i was okay the next time out. Not something I wanted to make a habit of.

The very next year they had installed a pitch count limit :laugh:


I should add that I can barely play soft toss now without feeling like I need TJ surgery.

I never pitched at all, but my shoulder sounds like popcorn popping every time I throw now.

[The Operator]

Disco probably to return in a month.
I hope you're right but I'll believe it when I see it.

He's starting to enter that dangerous Nick Masset / Sean Marshall territory.

[ochoa30]

I’m a bit more optimistic, but agree that it’s an issue. Just can’t get too hung up on April results.

Castillo should turn it around. The Louisville team lost games to weather, not many chances yet.

Finnegan probably just now getting the rust off.

Disco probably to return in a month.

But right now it’s the weak link IMO, has to develop.

Really wish Disco could stay healthy. Might be time to move him to the pen here soon. He'd probably be pretty great out there assuming his stuff is the same as before.

[Strikes Out Looking]

But right now it’s the weak link IMO, has to develop.

It's a stronger link than it was one year ago when we were watching Adelman and Feldman and Arroyo. Perspective. Time is on our side.

[JaxRed]

Starting pitching is a huge concern.

I like the 4 young guys, but coming into this game all 4 had -fWAR.

Plus the depth behind them near the majors are lacking so much that they are pitching Castillo when they want to skip him.

Garrett seems to be no longer a starting option

Reed, Stephenson, Stephens. Lopez are all struggling at AAA
Reyes is struggling in AA
Mella is repeating AA and the AAA rotation is not that strong to keep him there

They aren't trying very hard to skip Castillo. Mella (who is already on the 40 and pitching well) is on the same pitch day as Castillo. Bring Mella up to pitch the next day. If you don't want to burn an option on Castillo, send down Shackelford who also has on option. Problem solved.

[NebraskaRed]

It's a stronger link than it was one year ago when we were watching Adelman and Feldman and Arroyo. Perspective. Time is on our side.

we forget what the starting pitching looked like a year ago. it's good to be reminded.

[KYExtemper]

If we hold on, this would be our first series win of the year right (I don't count that one game win versus the Cubs)?

[The Operator]

I never pitched at all, but my shoulder sounds like popcorn popping every time I throw now.

Oh yea, I've got that too. Maybe not every time I throw but definitely there at times.

Wouldn't be shocked at all if I've got some labrum damage and/or ligament damage in the elbow. It doesn't matter how softly I start or how slowly I throw, my arm and shoulder both start throbbing pretty shortly thereafter.

It sucks because I love playing catch even though my playing days are over.

[Strikes Out Looking]

we forget what the starting pitching looked like a year ago. it's good to be reminded.

Most of us have PTSD when it comes to the 2017 Reds starting staff and have put it out of their minds.

[Tom Servo]

Surprised Garrett was sent back out for the 8th.

[The Operator]

Kenny Rogers, The Gambler.

The GAM-BLUH!!!

[Tadasimha]

Need to focus in here, Amir. A 6-4-3 and hit the showers

Nevermind - just hit the showers

[The Operator]

Thom starting to make more passive aggressive comments about the game lasting too long.


My god, man. Him and pops sure do like to denigrate the product they're trying to sell.

[Tadasimha]

Thom starting to make more passive aggressive comments about the game lasting too long.


My god, man. Him and pops sure do like to denigrate the product they're trying to sell.

I dont think there's an announcer out there who dislikes the game and his employer as much as thom does

[Strikes Out Looking]

Thom starting to make more passive aggressive comments about the game lasting too long.


My god, man. Him and pops sure do like to denigrate the product they're trying to sell.

Thom doesn't like the product and dad is just old and crusty. The team has created a problem that they don't want (nor know how) to deal with.

[Ron Madden]

I dont think there's an announcer out there who dislikes the game and his employer as much as thom does

What about his Dad?

[The Operator]

Wandy!

Have a seat Rosario

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Yes sir- nope, safe at first


1st and 3rd, 2 down

[The Operator]

Ground ball ends the inning

Nice work by Wandy

[Tadasimha]

What about his Dad?

I dont get much chance to hear Marty so really cannot say.

[Big Klu]

What about his Dad?

I don't think Marty dislikes baseball nearly as much as THom does.

[Ron Madden]

I dont get much chance to hear Marty so really cannot say.

Count Your Blessings...;)

[The Operator]

Duffy made quick work of Duvall there

[Ron Madden]

I don't think Marty dislikes baseball nearly as much as THom does.

I think it's pretty darn close.. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree.

[NebraskaRed]

Thom is desperate to talk about any sport other than baseball, and about any team other than the Reds

[JaxRed]

Duffy made quick work of Duvall there

He looked good all inning

[The Operator]

David Hernandez to finish this bad boy off

[RED VAN HOT]

Mahle must have exceeded his prospect limits. He was removed from the MLB list during the day.

[Roy Tucker]

I never pitched at all, but my shoulder sounds like popcorn popping every time I throw now.

Me too. My rotator cuff is just a memory.

Goes along with my cartilage-less knees.