5/24/18 - Reds vs. Pirates - Votto's Day Off

[Tom Servo]

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pretty brutal

[Kc61]

If Reds had a left handed bat on the bench today would be a good day with Votto off versus a RHP.

I guess they do have Hamilton but he's not off and not hitting, Blandino, Cruz, Dixon all RHHs.

Dixon really is best used against LHP, but with the four man bench there aren't many choices.

[Mitri]

That may be the worst defensive alignment in all of MLB for 2018.

[Strikes Out Looking]

That may be the worst defensive alignment in all of MLB for 2018.

Offense not much better.

[Mitri]

Offense not much better.

3-7 can thump, on a warm day in Cinci they better score some runs.

[klw]

So we can expect Castillo to be on Cruz control today.

[cumberlandreds]

Wow! A pitcher can bat 9th? How novel!

[Umkubas]

12 pitch top of the first

[Tom Servo]

Scoreless first for Luis.

[cumberlandreds]

Per The Cowboy, Nova has a 7.20 ERA in the first inning. Lets see if this lineup can anything in the 1st today.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza a veritable walking machine all of a sudden. And Nova is stingy with free passes.

[Umkubas]

8 pitch walk for Peraza

Go Reds

[klw]

8 pitch walk for Peraza

Go Reds

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[cumberlandreds]

Per The Cowboy, Nova has a 7.20 ERA in the first inning. Lets see if this lineup can anything in the 1st today.

Not so good today.

[cumberlandreds]

Per Mark Sheldon, Disco to get two more starts in rehab before being activated.

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6-4-3 Yesirreeeeeeee

[cumberlandreds]

Nice job by Castillo to get out of a jam.

[Umkubas]

27 pitches thru two innings

Go Reds

[Reds Fanatic]

Per Mark Sheldon, Disco to get two more starts in rehab before being activated.

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6-4-3 Yesirreeeeeeee

I believe he is starting tomorrow night so that should put his return to the Reds somewhere around June 5th. So probably right at the start of the next homestand

[Tom Servo]

sorry but I'm never going to get over Bryan Price suggesting Tony Cruz had turned a corner offensively in spring training

[cumberlandreds]

sorry but I'm never going to get over Bryan Price suggesting Tony Cruz had turned a corner offensively in spring training

Maybe when he turned that corner he fell off a cliff?

[Reds Fanatic]

sorry but I'm never going to get over Bryan Price suggesting Tony Cruz had turned a corner offensively in spring training

unfortunately the corner was from awful to mediocre

[RedTeamGo!]

sorry but I'm never going to get over Bryan Price

FTFY

[cumberlandreds]

We are scoreless in the middle of the third inning.

[NC Reds]

Good Castillo is back today. Great to see.

[NC Reds]

Rally time. Winker with a single to right.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom bunting tirade in 3...2...1...

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Wow. Thank you, Buccos.

[mhs95_06]

Pirates P and 1B having trouble on plays around the bag!

[Tom Servo]

Bases juiced for Geno

[NC Reds]

GENO!

[Donder]

Eh!

[Tom Servo]

Geno! :jump:

4-0 Redlegs

[Reds Fanatic]

GRAND SLAM! Geno!!

[CarolinaRedleg]

Hurdle's going to make him pay for that one.

[BluegrassRedleg]

A. Hugh!!!


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[cumberlandreds]

Suarez!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::j ump::jump::jump::jump:

[Tadasimha]

Boomstick!

[RedTeamGo!]

He’s so good

[Big Klu]

Hurdle's going to make him pay for that one.

Hurdle should make Nova pay for that one. Walking the opposing pitcher to lead off an inning is never a good idea.

[cumberlandreds]

Third career Grand Salami for Suarez.

[Mitri]

Suarez is a revelation. Dude just keeps producing.

[WrongVerb]

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[RED VAN HOT]

I wonder if pitchers like to start on getaway day? It seems as if everyone is in a hurry and batters tend to swing earlier in the count.

[cumberlandreds]

Dixon with 1st MLB hit! Congrats! :thumbup:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Congrats to Brandon Dixon. Nice shot for Knock #1.

[Kingspoint]

Go Brandon. Go Brandon. Go Brandon. You get an ice cream cone after the game.

[NC Reds]

Tony Cruz continues to do his thing.

I know backup catcher is not a priority, but we need to be actively looking for someone else.

[cumberlandreds]

4-0 Reds after Four.

[Big Klu]

Tony Cruz continues to do his thing.

I know backup catcher is not a priority, but we need to be actively looking for someone else.

We had one, but everybody wanted to trade him away.

[Mitri]

Rooting for Dixon. I agree that he could be an affordable Duvall replacement in the coming years. Definitely has the K% to do it.

[Danny Serafini]

Time to turn off the broadcast, tourism lady is on and will never stop talking so who knows what will happen in the game

[Mitri]

Castillo Cruzin

[Big Klu]

That was an impressive 10-pitch inning from Castillo!

[Kingspoint]

Luis castrating the Buccos.

[Chip R]

Winker goes deep!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Wow. Winker power.

[NC Reds]

Winker with a blast!!

[Mitri]

Finally, a homer by Winker

[ochoa30]

No cheap shot there either. Was just thinking that must be a monkey off his back.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Sal Romano can't even do silent treatment right these days. :laugh:

[RED VAN HOT]

Sal Romano can't even do silent treatment right these days. :laugh:

designated ice-breaker.

[NC Reds]

Now for the "nothing comes easy to the Reds" part of the game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Sixth inning is usually third time through the order, Thom. I don't think it's any big mystery. And he is not efficient with his pitch counts, so he's also up high with that.

[Kc61]

5-2 game.

Thom wondering why Castillo has problems in the sixth inning.

No mystery. These pitchers aren't trained to go very deep into games.

[ochoa30]

Just cant keep falling behind major league hitters no matter how good your stuff is. Nice rebound by Castillo to get through the inning though.

[Kingspoint]

So, what's Castillo's suggested pitch count this month. Don't know his innings history and injury history. Also, what's his rule-of-30 innings for this year?

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5-2 game.

Thom wondering why Castillo has problems in the sixth inning.

No mystery. These pitchers aren't trained to go very deep into games.

It's called 3rd time through the lineup. Every pitcher in history has issues.

[Chip R]

Garrett, Hernandez and Hughes the rest of the way?

[Kc61]

So, what's Castillo's suggested pitch count this month. Don't know his innings history and injury history. Also, what's his rule-of-30 innings for this year?

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It's called 3rd time through the lineup. Every pitcher in history has issues.


No every pitcher in history has not had issues with the sixth inning, 90 pitches, or the third time through the lineup. It's called being an accomplished starting pitcher.

[Tony Cloninger]

5-2 game.

Thom wondering why Castillo has problems in the sixth inning.

No mystery. These pitchers aren't trained to go very deep into games.

Is that not what Price was trying to teach these guys to do but it was made a joke of by saying he was trying to teach them a lesson.

[Mitri]

Between Dixon and Blandino, Reds bench hair is on point.

[RedsfaninMT]

Ump giving the Maddux/Glavine strike

[Kc61]

Is that not what Price was trying to teach these guys to do but it was made a joke of by saying he was trying to teach them a lesson.

Bryan's attempt was futile because these guys have pitched for years with, in essence, a 90-100 pitch limit. Hard to change that in the major leagues.

So you need a great bullpen to eat up the final few innings.

[bleedsred]

Joey Vottoed....going to replace getting Wally Pipped?

[Tony Cloninger]

Bryan's attempt was futile because these guys have pitched for years with, in essence, a 90-100 pitch limit. Hard to change that in the major leagues.

So you need a great bullpen to eat up the final few innings.

And that’s bad in regards to the development but the only way to learn is to try and push it every once in a while. Not every start of course since Price did over do it sometimes.

[Kingspoint]

No every pitcher in history has not had issues with the sixth inning, 90 pitches, or the third time through the lineup. It's called being an accomplished starting pitcher.

Every stat tells you differently.

Every pitcher in history has had his opposing OPS rise the third time through the lineup. That's not an opinion or debatable.

The difference between learning how to deal with it, as you are saying is a learned skill, and I agree 100%, is how magnified the increase in opposing OPS becomes the 3rd time through. But, they all see a rise in production from the opponent.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Ump giving the Maddux/Glavine strike


aka, the Getaway Day zone.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Good morning.

Good afternoon.

Good night.

Nice work (again) by Garrett.

[cumberlandreds]

Garret comes in and blows away Josh Bell on three pitches. Reds leading 5-2 in the 7th.

[Kc61]

Every stat tells you differently.

Every pitcher in history has had his opposing OPS rise the third time through the lineup. That's not an opinion or debatable.

Even if this is true - which I don't know - it doesn't mean every pitcher has "had issues" with the third time through.

The truly accomplished starting pitchers manage to be effective third time through the lineup. Even if it's more of a challenge.

[Tom Servo]

Even if this is true - which I don't know - it doesn't mean every pitcher has "had issues" with the third time through.

The truly accomplished starting pitchers aren't flummoxed by the third time through the lineup.

It may be more of a challenge when lineups have seen you twice, but many guys handle it.
It is true, this isn't breaking new ground.

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/leaderboarding-third-time-through/

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/managers-on-the-third-time-through-the-order/

[Kingspoint]

While Dixon had an awful day yesterday, he didn't go 1-11 to start his campaign like the guy he replaced.

He and Votto both had rough days yesterday. Would not surprise me if Votto spoke to Dixon afterwards and gave him words of encouragement. Kudos to Riggleman for giving him a start and a chance to get past yesterday and see some consistent pitches with multiple PA's.

The jitters are over now, hopefully, and he can be a decent pinch-hitter for us this Summer.

[Tom Servo]

While Dixon had an awful day yesterday, he didn't go 1-11 to start his campaign like the guy he replaced.

I know Dixon's your guy but I don't see why you keep getting on Herrera's case, he barely had a chance to play. Dixon has already gotten more than half as many PAs as Herrera got in a month.

[Kc61]

It is true, this isn't breaking new ground.

https://www.fangraphs.com/fantasy/leaderboarding-third-time-through/

https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/managers-on-the-third-time-through-the-order/

What's true? That "every pitcher in history has [had] issues" third time through? Because that was the position that was taken.

Some "pitchers in history" have handled the third time through rather well, and didn't need regularly to come out of the game.

[Kingspoint]

Even if this is true - which I don't know - it doesn't mean every pitcher has "had issues" with the third time through.

The truly accomplished starting pitchers manage to be effective third time through the lineup. Even if it's more of a challenge.

That's the wall that makes a starting pitcher successful or if he heads back to the pen. He needs at least 3 pitches show he can show the players different looks because they get locked in quickly by the 3rd time through the lineup if he only has two pitches, no matter how good they are.

[Kc61]

That's the wall that makes a starting pitcher successful or if he heads back to the pen. He needs at least 3 pitches show he can show the players different looks because they get locked in quickly by the 3rd time through the lineup if he only has two pitches, no matter how good they are.

I'm not sure you even have to go six innings to remain a starter today.

The average start today is 5+ innings, very few teams average six per start.

It's a relief pitcher's age and these starters aren't trained to go deep into games. Unfortunate but analytics support the trend.

[Tom Servo]

Good work from Garrett.

[Kc61]

Do the Reds leave Amir to pitch the ninth?

[Kc61]

Duvall is now hitting .177. Was going better for awhile, but not lately.

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Double for Dixon!!

[ochoa30]

Duvall is now hitting .177. Was going better for awhile, but not lately.

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Double for Dixon!!

Really have to imagine Duvall seeing less and less PT coming his way. Just doesn't make sense to start him against righties at all.

[Chip R]

Do the Reds leave Amir to pitch the ninth?

Yes they will. That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

[Kingspoint]

One more piece of evidence why closing is difficult.

[ochoa30]

Ugh. Meadows Homer's off Garrett again. 1 run game.

[CarolinaRedleg]

This one just got a little more interesting.

Personally, I'd have been OK with boring.

[Kc61]

I don't mind Garrett pitching the ninth depending on pitch count.

If he was above his usual pitch count it was a mistake. (Finished with 26.)

Don't mess around in winning ballgames.

[ochoa30]

Garrett's slider was filthy tonight and he doesn't throw one to meadows. He paid for that decision.

[Kingspoint]

I know Dixon's your guy but I don't see why you keep getting on Herrera's case, he barely had a chance to play. Dixon has already gotten more than half as many PAs as Herrera got in a month.

I'm not getting on Herrera's case. I just don't want to see him in a REDS' uniform this season. I've seen enough. Dixon has three times as many hits already in fewer attempts. There is also a Double among them. With only 4 bench spots, I don't want one of them going to a singles hitter or a guy who's best asset is that he can draw a walk.

[mhs95_06]

Yes they will. That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off.

It paid off in a save!

[Tom Servo]

We're good again! :beerme:

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice win for Los Rojos.

[ochoa30]

Nice series win for the Reds. Some bats seem to be heating up. Let's hope that continues.

[Kingspoint]

I'm not sure you even have to go six innings to remain a starter today.

The average start today is 5+ innings, very few teams average six per start.

It's a relief pitcher's age and these starters aren't trained to go deep into games. Unfortunate but analytics support the trend.

The shorter ballparks and smaller foul grounds have made putting the ball in play more difficult. Strikeouts become more important. Pitch counts are increased from fewer foul outs and the pitcher working around the strike zone trying to avoid the popup homerun and to get the strikeout.

A lot of things work against a pitcher going deeper in games today, but the main reason is their inability to get through a lineup the 3rd time.

Again, it's not debatable. A major league pitchers' opposing OPS will rise 3rd time through the lineup (where a pinch-hitter is often involved, too). If you look, will you find a very rare exception? Probably, as the opportunities for extremes are there with the large number of pitchers who have started in the majors.

As Tom Servo said, this isn't insight or news.

[Kingspoint]

That 3rd time through the lineup is so difficult, that without looking, I would say the average rise is .250+ points (from about .600 to .850 would be my guess at 2nd to 3rd time through).

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Nice series win for the Reds. Some bats seem to be heating up. Let's hope that continues.

Very much so.

[Kingspoint]

Nice win for Los Rojos.

What's that for Castillo? 4 good starts in a row, or 5?

[mhs95_06]

A Granny and a solo beat two deuces!

[Kingspoint]

Fangraphs posted in 2015 the OPS-Against as .700-.730-.780 (approximately) for the 1st through third times through the lineup for the league average.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Castillo 2.83 in his last 5 starts. I think the warmer weather suits him.

[CaiGuy]

Bummer, about 180 feet away from a sweep there.

All well, series win is good!

[Big Klu]

On pace for 57-105.

[JustaFan]

big klu

I prefer to say 12 - 11 in last 23.

[Kingspoint]

Castillo 2.83 in his last 5 starts. I think the warmer weather suits him.

Thanks. I needed that.

A 5-stretch start with a sub-.300 ERA. I wonder how many starts it took in Bailey's career to achieve that, just to put this accomplishment into perspective. If I can find the time, I'm going to look it up.

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big klu

I prefer to say 12 - 11 in last 23.

I like both.

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Bummer, about 180 feet away from a sweep there.

All well, series win is good!

That just means even the losses are competitive. Heck of a rally down 4-0 in the 6th.

[Big Klu]

Jesse Winker hit his first HR of the season, and is now tied with 17 other players for 260th place on the Reds all-time home run list with eight.

Some of the more prominent dignitaries Winker is now even with include Bob Bailey, Chris Dickerson, Tony Fernandez, Jeff Keppinger, Brandon Larson, Pro Football HOFer Greasy Neale, Merv Rettenmund, and Bucky Walters.

[Ron Madden]

Box Sore

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/pirates-vs-reds/2018/05/24/530152#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=530152

[Ron Madden]

The Reds have played 51 games.
Geno has only played in 34 of those 51 games.
Geno leads the National League with 38 RBI

I

[Ron Madden]

Jesse Winker hit his first HR of the season, and is now tied with 17 other players for 260th place on the Reds all-time home run list with eight.

Some of the more prominent dignitaries Winker is now even with include Bob Bailey, Chris Dickerson, Tony Fernandez, Jeff Keppinger, Brandon Larson, Pro Football HOFer Greasy Neale, Merv Rettenmund, and Bucky Walters.

Geno needs 32 more HRs to make your list for most HRs all time by Reds Players. :thumbup:

[Umkubas]

Thanks to Rogers Sportsnet for broadcasting the Fox Ohio broadcast of the Reds game.

It is rare to see the Reds on television in Canada.

GO REDS

[cumberlandreds]

Thanks to Rogers Sportsnet for broadcasting the Fox Ohio broadcast of the Reds game.

It is rare to see the Reds on television in Canada.

GO REDS

I'm sorry Canada had to hear Thom though.