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klw
05-25-2018, 05:01 PM
#reds lineup at #rockies

Winker 7,
Barnhart 2,
Votto 3,
Gennett 4,
Suarez 5,
Schebler 9,
Peraza 6,
Romano 1,
Hamilton 8

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 08:43 PM
Romano's last two starts have been absolutely abysmal. His one before that was excellent, so there's recent examples of him throwing correctly for him and his Coaches to refer to so he can get it in his mind how to correct things. Let's see what they've come up with over the last week.

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Happy Memorial Weekend, everyone! Hope there are some good moments strewn throughout, and that your families are safe and cared for.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 08:49 PM
Scooter drives in a run. 1-0 Reds

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 08:51 PM
Geno hit by the pitch. Bases loaded

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 08:51 PM
Steve Foster, a former Red famous for composing such standards as "Oh, Susanna", "Beautiful Dreamer", and "My Old Kentucky Home", is the pitching coach for the Rockies.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 08:53 PM
Schebler grounds into a FC. 2-0 Reds

Boston Red
05-25-2018, 09:00 PM
Peraza, dude.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:01 PM
Arenado homers to right center. 2-1 Reds

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Strike out to end the inning. 2-1 Reds after 1

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 09:03 PM
Not a bad inning.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:03 PM
No doubter for Arenado - boom

Get the next one, Sal!

Despite the homer, not a bad start

Chip R
05-25-2018, 09:03 PM
Steve Foster, a former Red famous for composing such standards as "Oh, Susanna", "Beautiful Dreamer", and "My Old Kentucky Home", is the pitching coach for the Rockies.

Former Red, IIRC.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 09:03 PM
Tough break for Romano having to pitch at Coors Field. It’s an important outing for him with Disco due back soon.

It’s probably Sal v Homer as to who loses his rotation spot.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:05 PM
Gerardo Parra batting cleanup doesn’t seem ideal for your offense

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 09:05 PM
Former Red, IIRC.

Yes, which is why I said, "a former Red". :D

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 09:08 PM
Gerardo Parra batting cleanup doesn’t seem ideal for your offense

Better than Manny Parra.

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 09:08 PM
Hamilton is the worst hitter on this team. He swings at more non strikes than any player on this team.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:09 PM
Gerardo Parra batting cleanup doesn’t seem ideal for your offense

Kinda like Suarez all the way down at 5th.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:09 PM
Winker with a 2 out walk

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:11 PM
Pitchers fearing Winker now that he has a homer. ;)

In all seriousness, I am ready for him to go on some kind of crazy Votto-like on base streak.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:15 PM
Nice pitch. Desmond strikes out looking. 2 Ks

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2 out hit for Wolters

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6-4 FC to end the inning. 2-1 Reds after 2

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:18 PM
Nice start for Romano...you can't fault him to much for the Coors' special...at least he came after him and didn't get all nibbley and skittish and start walking everyone.

WrongVerb
05-25-2018, 09:19 PM
Today is the anniversary of Dusty ruining Aaron Harang

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:20 PM
Votto doubles to the wall. Half way to a cycle with a single and double now

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:20 PM
I'd like to have a pitcher like Aaron Harang on this team....I don't think pitcher like that exists anymore.

NebraskaRed
05-25-2018, 09:20 PM
Votto with a double. He must be trying to hit for the cycle in order

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:21 PM
Vot trots in with a stand up double

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:22 PM
Scooter strikes out in a pitch in the dirt

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Geno homers to center. 4-1 Reds! 40th RBI for Suarez

NebraskaRed
05-25-2018, 09:23 PM
Geno!

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:24 PM
I thought Jojo said Suarez isn't supposed to be good?

BluegrassRedleg
05-25-2018, 09:24 PM
I love A. Hugh.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:25 PM
Boomstick!

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:25 PM
Nice to be up somebody else's young pitching for once.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:27 PM
Geno now leads the NL in RBI which is pretty remarkable considering he missed over 2 weeks

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 09:28 PM
Boomstick!

Shop smart! Shop S-Mart!

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Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:29 PM
Another great pitch on the corner. 3 Ks for Sal

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Blackmon doubles off the wall in right

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:31 PM
Good call by Welsh on "path of least resistance", that's pretty much been the Reds MO in the rebuild.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:32 PM
Scooter saves a run there. Infield hit. 1st and 3rd

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 09:32 PM
1st time through the lineup, Romano needed only 28 pitches for 1 ER.

Test #2 starts off with a Double to Blackmon after falling behind in the count.

Don't nibble, Sal.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:34 PM
Arenado walks. Bases loaded

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:35 PM
Geno wyd

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:35 PM
Parra singles to center. Then the Reds completely screw up having a runner caught in a rundown. 4-3

Chip R
05-25-2018, 09:36 PM
Former Red, IIRC.

:doh:

Red Raindog
05-25-2018, 09:36 PM
and Little League ball breaks out - sigh

BluegrassRedleg
05-25-2018, 09:36 PM
Terrible pitch, Sal.

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 09:36 PM
He went full count to the Pitcher. Inning just didn't start well.

C'mon, Sal. Get through this. It's all mental.

Boston Red
05-25-2018, 09:36 PM
That was not good defense.

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 09:37 PM
OK here comes the melt down!

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:38 PM
Thom goes "one run will score and a second run will score..." followed by the runner going back to second and then to third and Thom goes "boy the reds could not have botched that up more" ignoring his own screwup 10 seconds before

Never mind - i didnt see the 3rd run score

Thom was right

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 09:39 PM
Sal's starting to suck again!

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:39 PM
Intentional walk to load up the bases for a guy who can't find the strike zone.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:40 PM
FC at home for the 2nd out. Bases still loaded

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 09:42 PM
Disco for Sal or Homer?? Take your pick.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:43 PM
Disco for Sal or Homer?? Take your pick.

Disco for Sal. Stephenson for Homer

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 09:43 PM
Thom goes "one run will score and a second run will score..." followed by the runner going back to second and then to third and Thom goes "boy the reds could not have botched that up more" ignoring his own screwup 10 seconds before

Never mind - i didnt see the 3rd run score

Thom was right

Don't you ever say that again.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:43 PM
lol why is Thom trying to do a Final Destination type thing singling out that girl

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:44 PM
He walks Wolters to tie the game

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:44 PM
Ugh. Unacceptable.

Sure was a nie 4-1 lead we had.

BluegrassRedleg
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Romano needs a trip to Louisville. Can't help this team.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Don't you ever say that again.

Hey, even a broken clock, etc

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Enjoy AAA Sal, sheesh

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
lol why is Thom trying to do a Final Destination type thing singling out that girl

Because he's creepy?

NebraskaRed
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
The answer to who does Disco replace if he makes it back up is Sal.

It has always been Sal.

It will always be Sal.

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
A Coors Field game.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Fly out to left. 4-4 after 3

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
Bummer, he was holding his own for a while.

ERA over 6 again. Think we might be seeing Finnigan or Stephenson back again.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:45 PM
I was into sticking by Romano through his early struggles, and he did briefly improve, but these last three starts have been even worse than he was to start the year. Needs to go to Louisville and get back to pounding the knees with that sinker.

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 09:47 PM
3 abysmal starts in a row. Can't let him do it to himself again. Go down and find the confidence again.

Red Raindog
05-25-2018, 09:47 PM
FYI = Disco tonight - 5 IP 8 hits 6 runs 1 BB 8K

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:47 PM
The answer to who does Disco replace if he makes it back up is Sal.

It has always been Sal.

It will always be Sal.

I think Disco needs to stay on rehab longer than Sal needs to stay in the MLB for this go-round.

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 09:48 PM
Romano is going to get another chance if he can throw two gooseeggs up the next two innings.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:49 PM
FYI = Disco tonight - 5 IP 8 hits 6 runs 1 BB 8K

I would't worry to much about the numbers as we don't know what he is working on. Its like spring training stats.

But I would max out his rehab time after being gone for like 8 years.

Boston Red
05-25-2018, 09:49 PM
A Coors Field game.

Tyler Mahle is pitching in this series. That seems problematic. Hopefully it's just solo HRs.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:50 PM
Hamilton singles to right and his average climbs back above .200

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 09:50 PM
Hamilton singles to right

Back over .200.

NebraskaRed
05-25-2018, 09:51 PM
Hamilton singles to right

Let's see if he tries to steal. He doesn't seem to be trying to do that much lately

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 09:51 PM
With as much green as there is in the Coors Field OF, Billy Hamilton would probably have 5 or 6 inside-the-park home runs a year if he played for the Rox.

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 09:51 PM
FYI = Disco tonight - 5 IP 8 hits 6 runs 1 BB 8K

Dont care too much about results. He is showing command and good stuff. I give him one more start but wouldn't be surprised if he takes Romanos next start either.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:53 PM
Dont care too much about results. He is showing command and good stuff. I give him one more start but wouldn't be surprised if he takes Romanos next start either.

If they stick with the original plan of one more rehab start Disco should be back for the beginning of the next homestand June 5th

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:54 PM
I would't worry to much about the numbers as we don't know what he is working on. Its like spring training stats.

But I would max out his rehab time after being gone for like 8 years.

Gave up three homeruns

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:55 PM
Hamilton steals 3rd

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:56 PM
Hamilton steals 3rd

Easily

Kc61
05-25-2018, 09:57 PM
Romano is going to get another chance if he can throw two gooseeggs up the next two innings.

It really depends on Disco. If they bring Disco up for Wednesday the 30th then Sal likely will be out of the rotation. If they keep Disco down at AAA for one more start, then Sal will get another outing.

Sal’s ticket is as a ground ball pitcher with enough strikeouts. He needs to figure out how to get more of each.

If he goes to AAA, I’d look for GB rate and K rate more than ERA or anything else. Not worried about his walks, eventually those will come down again.

M2
05-25-2018, 09:58 PM
The answer to who does Disco replace if he makes it back up is Sal.

It has always been Sal.

It will always be Sal.

I'm guessing Sal might have noticed Disco is mirroring his start dates. Tonight feels a bit like a submission tap.

RedTeamGo!
05-25-2018, 09:58 PM
Pretty sure Disco is getting 2 more starts at AAA

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 09:58 PM
Barnhart and Votto pop out and two runners are left on. 4-4 mid 4th

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:58 PM
disappointing outcome to that inning

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 09:59 PM
Thom’s voice drips venom over Votto’s lack of RBIs.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 09:59 PM
Way to work the count, Joey

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 09:59 PM
Pretty sure Disco is getting 2 more starts at AAA
I think if they do it's only for his health (Dr. Steve Brule), not because he gave up some homers.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:01 PM
Pretty sure Disco is getting 2 more starts at AAA

I’d guess one more start. Disco threw 93 pitches tonight.

RedTeamGo!
05-25-2018, 10:01 PM
I think if they do it's only for his health (Dr. Steve Brule), not because he gave up some homers.

Who? I thought I read yesterday Disco is getting 2 more starts. Did he start tonight?

Ah, I didn’t know he started tonight.

Carry on, don’t mind my ignorance.

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 10:02 PM
I would like for THom to give us the silent treatment.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:02 PM
Blackmon lines a single to right

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 10:02 PM
I don’t think I let Romano face Arenado again

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:03 PM
Dahl singles to right. Someone better be warming up. This is about to get out of hand

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:04 PM
This game is winnable, I’d get a new pitcher in there.

Those last two hitters made rather hard contact.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:05 PM
Wow big DP. I did not think they had any chance that was really slowly hit

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:05 PM
Nice job.

Quick turn by Scooter on that one.

Boston Red
05-25-2018, 10:05 PM
He's slow.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:05 PM
Great turn and throw by Gennett.

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 10:05 PM
6-4-yessiree-3!

THom had already chalked up the run.

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 10:06 PM
My thumb is getting worn out blipping back and forth from Reds-Rockies and Cavs-Celtics.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:08 PM
Both teams seem to have a gentleman's agreement in place to leave their starters in and squeeze as many innings out of them as they can.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 10:09 PM
My thumb is getting worn out blipping back and forth from Reds-Rockies and Cavs-Celtics.

The alliteration between those two games is impressive

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 10:11 PM
The alliteration between those two games is impressive

The trouble was, my brain had an Elmer Fudd-esque Weds-Wockies playing.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:13 PM
Peraza is soooo bad right now.

Tony Cloninger
05-25-2018, 10:16 PM
At the drop of any hit once a Reds starter gets into the 5th or 6th is instant panic time.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:17 PM
Can't wait for Thom to share the price of parking in downtown Denver.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 10:18 PM
Can't wait for Thom to share the price of parking in downtown Denver.

Thousands, THOUSANDS of condominiums

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 10:18 PM
You could tell Thom really wanted to dive into an economic discussion there about the recession et al but relatively speaking he restrained himself.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 10:19 PM
Nice inning for Sal

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:21 PM
Really surprised Romano is batting here top 6th to lead off the inning

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:23 PM
Really surprised Romano is batting here top 6th to lead off the inning

Riggleman probably holding off the reliever brigade as long as possible in this stadium.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:24 PM
That was a quick 1-2-3 inning. Still 4-4 mid 6th

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 10:25 PM
Hamilton, another strike out swinging at a ball in the dirt! Does he even know what a strike zone looks like??

KronoRed
05-25-2018, 10:26 PM
Thom’s voice drips venom over Votto’s lack of RBIs.

You know Thom's dream is Votto gone and Scooter the 1B.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:27 PM
Hamilton, another strike out swinging at a ball in the dirt! Does he even know what a strike zone looks like??

He was laying off of that stuff for most of the year.

Maybe he is pressing to get that batting ave up.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:28 PM
Leadoff walk is begging for trouble in this park especially

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 10:28 PM
Sal's a walking machine!!

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:29 PM
Cuevas triples in a run. 5-4 Rockies

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 10:30 PM
Reds OF defense is not good. And Coors Field is not a good place for that.

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 10:34 PM
Any drinking games tonight, or is this not considered a West Coast trip?

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:35 PM
good job by Peralta to get out of that without further damage. 5-4 Rockies after 6

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:35 PM
I’m about ready for Disco and Stephenson rather than Romano and Bailey.

No guarantees, both Disco and Bob have their issues.

But I’m ready for the changes.

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 10:36 PM
Could be worse. Down a run with 3 innings left. Doable.

BCubb2003
05-25-2018, 10:36 PM
Any drinking games tonight, or is this not considered a West Coast trip?

It would be a rocky coast.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 10:39 PM
It would be a rocky coast.

On the rocks works for me - vodka, bourbon, etc

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 10:39 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:40 PM
Barnhart leads off with a hit

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 10:40 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

Doesn’t K enough and doesn’t have the command to overcome that issue. Pretty simple actually.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:41 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

Speaking for myself, I am not really "down" on him.

I just think a little more seasoning in AAA is in order. He's held his own for most of his time in the majors. Needs to work on some stuff.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:41 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

His ERA is near 6.

I’m down on any starting pitcher who end of May has an ERA near 6.

It’s 5.89 according to the in-game box score.

CaiGuy
05-25-2018, 10:42 PM
JD and JV are friends? You don't say, Thom.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:44 PM
Votto grounds into a DP

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 10:44 PM
What is it with votto and fouls rolling around?

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 10:44 PM
Doesn’t K enough and doesn’t have the command to overcome that issue. Pretty simple actually.
You guys harp on the strikeouts a lot but he's up to 6.3 K/9, which is workable. You'd like better, but that's not his big issue.

It's the walks and command that is killing him.

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 10:46 PM
I just don’t see anyone in the Reds’ system that will give a better start than Romano. He has a good makeup and doesn’t freak out. Tough guy. I’d hang with him.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:49 PM
Doesn’t K enough and doesn’t have the command to overcome that issue. Pretty simple actually.

Last year Romano (partial season) had a K rate of 7.55 and GB rate of 50.4%.
This year Romano (before tonight) had a K rate of 6.16 and GB rate of 46%.

He’s living on the edge with last year’s numbers, but has a chance.

He’s got no chance with this year’s numbers.

M2
05-25-2018, 10:50 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

I could see that if this was a standalone game. Yet it isn't. Sal's M.O. is to consistently court trouble, but try to avoid the big hit. This was more of the same from him. It's not very effective.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:52 PM
Another leadoff walk

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 10:52 PM
You guys harp on the strikeouts a lot but he's up to 6.3 K/9, which is workable. You'd like better, but that's not his big issue.

It's the walks and command that is killing him.

I’m disappointed in your response here Tom. Coming into tonight he was 103 out of 119 pitchers (min 40 IP) in K/9.

What did I say that was incorrect and/or deserved such a rebuttal? I mean I could have piled on with the BB issue....

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 10:53 PM
Wandy's 20th walk of the young season. Why are they still tolerating this?

WVRedsFan
05-25-2018, 10:53 PM
Pardon me for my ignorance, but what is wrong with Iggy? I've been a little out of the loop this week

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:53 PM
Nice catch by Hamilton on the track

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Pardon me for my ignorance, but what is wrong with Iggy? I've been a little out of the loop this week

left biceps strain.

WVRedsFan
05-25-2018, 10:55 PM
Nice catch by Hamilton on the track

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left biceps strain.

Thanks!

Kc61
05-25-2018, 10:56 PM
You guys harp on the strikeouts a lot but he's up to 6.3 K/9, which is workable. You'd like better, but that's not his big issue.

It's the walks and command that is killing him.

I don’t agree. In today’s game, the average starter gets about 8.3 Ks per nine. Sal is 25% below that.

Even if his walks were lower, he either has to increase his Ks or increase his GB rate or he won’t succeed.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:56 PM
Tanner Rainey in

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 10:57 PM
I’m disappointed in your response here Tom. Coming into tonight he was 103 out of 119 pitchers (min 40 IP) in K/9.

What did I say that was incorrect and/or deserved such a rebuttal?
What, the word 'harp'? My bad, wasn't meant to sound harsh.

And yet I see guys in that 104 to 119 range who are viable big league starters. Arrieta, Trevor Williams, Colon, Bettis, Fiers, Mengden, Anderson, Leake, etc. I think Romano can be an inning eater like those guys. But he can't have a BB/9 over probably 3.5 at very most, and he was over it last year and way over it this year. Needs to get better.

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 10:57 PM
33 years of wedded bliss for Mrs Tucker and I today. She is over in her chair snoring. So it goes.

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 10:57 PM
I don’t agree. In today’s game, the average starter gets about 8.3 Ks per nine. Sal is 25% below that.

Even if his walks were lower, he either has to increase his Ks or increase his GB rate or he won’t succeed in today’s game.

Exactamundo KC.

We can harp on his weak K/9 or we can harp about the fact that he doesn’t have a bag of tricks up his sleeve to overcome such a weak K/9.

I choose the former.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 10:59 PM
6-4-3 DP ends the inning. 5-4 Rockies after 7

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:02 PM
Leadoff hit for Geno

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:02 PM
I don’t agree. In today’s game, the average starter gets about 8.3 Ks per nine. Sal is 25% below that.

Even if his walks were lower, he either has to increase his Ks or increase his GB rate or he won’t succeed.
Here's the list of guys in the big leagues who are Romano's age or younger and have thrown at least 40 innings this year.

https://i.imgur.com/E0f9bx1.png

That's it, that's the list. So yes he needs to be better, but what exactly are we expecting at this point?

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:02 PM
What, the word 'harp'? My bad, wasn't meant to sound harsh.

And yet I see guys in that 104 to 119 range who are viable big league starters. Arrieta, Trevor Williams, Colon, Bettis, Fiers, Mengden, Anderson, Leake, etc. I think Romano can be an inning eater like those guys. But he can't have a BB/9 over probably 3.5 at very most, and he was over it last year and way over it this year. Needs to get better.

So my original reply to Roy should have been “he strikes out too few, walks too many and doesn’t have the command to overcome that.”

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:06 PM
Schebler grounds out but Geno was running so he goes to 2nd

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:06 PM
Here's the list of guys in the big leagues who are Romano's age or younger and have thrown at least 40 innings this year.

https://i.imgur.com/E0f9bx1.png

That's it, that's the list. So yes he needs to be better, but what exactly are we expecting at this point?

To be clear (and I know how you got this) McCullers is older than Sal. Just wanted to be clear that the list isn’t “younger than Sal.”

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:06 PM
So my original reply to Roy should have been “he strikes out too few, walks too many and doesn’t have the command to overcome that.”
I think that's more accurate, yeah. Sorry if the tone sounds hostile, not my intent. I'm just a believer in giving guys time. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, but it's my general philosophy.

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 11:07 PM
Schebler looks an awful lot like jay bruce when he's clean shaven

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:08 PM
I think that's more accurate, yeah. Sorry if the tone sounds hostile, not my intent. I'm just a believer in giving guys time. Sometimes I'm right, sometimes I'm wrong, but it's my general philosophy.

Sure, but Roy’s tone was kinda “what’s the problem here?” And it wasn’t hostile I know but ummmm....

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 11:08 PM
Schebler looks an awful lot like jay bruce when he's clean shaven

Slumps like him too

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:08 PM
Schebler looks an awful lot like jay bruce when he's clean shaven

I’ve comped him to Rothleisberger.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:10 PM
The chances to tie the game there die with Peraza and Duvall

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:10 PM
To be clear (and I know how you got this) McCullers is older than Sal. Just wanted to be clear that the list isn’t “younger than Sal.”
Right, the idea is 24 (aka Romano's age) or younger.


Sure, but Roy’s tone was kinda “what’s the problem here?” And it wasn’t hostile I know but ummmm....
No, I agree there, he's got problems. It's the strikeouts line that I feel gets tossed around too much without reference to the other issues that bugged me. Sorry.

Baseballdad37
05-25-2018, 11:11 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

You haven't seen his last 3 starts?? Not very good. Has no command, walks a ton, he's just been awful.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:12 PM
Lorenzen in for the 8th

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:12 PM
Peraza has somehow now batted about .150 over the last 20 games. That's, uh, extremely bad.

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:13 PM
Thom going after the SF fans. Makes me like them even more.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:14 PM
Peraza has somehow now batted about .150 over the last 20 games. That's, uh, extremely bad.

There is a real competition on this team for who should be batting 9th. The bottom of this lineup is awful

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 11:15 PM
Peraza has somehow now batted about .150 over the last 20 games. That's, uh, extremely bad.

Never seen a guy make such weak contact at bat after at bat. That probably has something to do with it.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:15 PM
Thom going after the SF fans. Makes me like them even more.
I find it extremely hard to believe they're worse towards players than Philadelphia or New York fans.

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:16 PM
I find it extremely hard to believe they're worse towards players than Philadelphia or New York fans.

I thought the same. I mean maybe there’s some black hole in the SF bleachers but SF is pretty chill.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:18 PM
Nice inning from Lorenzen.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:18 PM
1-2-3 inning for Lorenzen

Hamilton, Winker and Barnhart due up in the 9th

Tadasimha
05-25-2018, 11:19 PM
Lorenzen takes care of business

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 11:19 PM
I’m surprised you guys are so down on Romano. He’s a young guy pitching in a really tough ballpark. He hung in there pretty decently tonight. By no means perfect, but pretty ok. I’ll take that.

I don't think anyone is down on him. I get the feeling everyone wants him to be in a position to succeed and are suggesting that his last three starts puts him in jeopardy of sinking into that state we all know too well where a young pitcher is spending more time fighting himself instead of his opponents. A trip back to AAA is the usual recipe for realigning a pitcher's psyche. Sal's psyche is rocky right now.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 11:19 PM
Here's the list of guys in the big leagues who are Romano's age or younger and have thrown at least 40 innings this year.

https://i.imgur.com/E0f9bx1.png

That's it, that's the list. So yes he needs to be better, but what exactly are we expecting at this point?

More stuff and more bat missing. The results aren’t the big issue, it’s that he doesn’t miss enough bats.

IMO Sal needs to become a true ground ball pitcher, very high GB rate, dramatically reducing homers, throwing double plays. Then hopefully with maturity he can miss a few more bats and we’ll have something.

M2
05-25-2018, 11:20 PM
Here's the list of guys in the big leagues who are Romano's age or younger and have thrown at least 40 innings this year.

https://i.imgur.com/E0f9bx1.png

That's it, that's the list. So yes he needs to be better, but what exactly are we expecting at this point?

I think the problem might be couching it with "at this point." Sal's always been problematic. If he was in another org I doubt we'd be looking at his resume and thinking he's going to be good. My take on him is he's striving to reach his BOR potential. So "at this point" I expect him to be the marginal talent he has been and most likely will continue to be.

Mind you, I'd love to be wrong about that.

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 11:21 PM
Surprised they didnt pinch hit for Billy with anyone

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:21 PM
First pitch pop out by Hamilton. He is just beyond awful at the plate. He is going to start this whole road trip because of defense in these huge parks which I get but he is painful on offense

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 11:22 PM
There is a real competition on this team for who should be batting 9th. The bottom of this lineup is awful

#pitcherbatsseventh

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:23 PM
Winker strikes out swinging

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 11:23 PM
Here's the list of guys in the big leagues who are Romano's age or younger and have thrown at least 40 innings this year.

https://i.imgur.com/E0f9bx1.png

That's it, that's the list. So yes he needs to be better, but what exactly are we expecting at this point?

Expecting a bit of success, a bit of failure. Can't let him get buried by his failures, though. He has to know he'll get another chance and that gets communicated by management. There's always another chance in this rotation. I like to protect my players,...push them some, reward success, pull back the reigns when there's too much struggling.

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:24 PM
Right now on this team you have 4 batters to get any offense out of Barnhart, Votto, Scooter and Geno outside that is pretty hopeless

Reds Fanatic
05-25-2018, 11:26 PM
Barnhart strikes out swinging. Reds lose 5-4

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 11:26 PM
Right now on this team you have 4 batters to get any offense out of Barnhart, Votto, Scooter and Geno outside that is pretty hopeless

I really want to see an active trade deadline. They need to fill some of these holes. You cant just build up through the draft.

WVRedsFan
05-25-2018, 11:26 PM
Our starters are killing us.

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:27 PM
I think the problem might be couching it with "at this point." Sal's always been problematic. If he was in another org I doubt we'd be looking at his resume and thinking he's going to be good. My take on him is he's striving to reach his BOR potential. So "at this point" I expect him to be the marginal talent he has been and most likely will continue to be.

Mind you, I'd love to be wrong about that.

Something that I’d add is that too often youth is used as a crutch to “prop” guys up. I’ve been guilty of it but I’ve tried to be more aware. I’ve seen it with Peraza.

I mean let’s be real. Romano (at this point) should never be comped with Ohtani, Serevino, McCullers, Berrios etc. Just a different caliber of player. I hope we can agree there.

And I know is not a “comp” comp...but still.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:27 PM
Our starters are killing us.
I'd put this one more on the offense.


Romano (at this point) should never be comped with Ohtani, Serevino, McCullers, Berrios etc. Just a different caliber of player. I hope we can agree there.
Absolutely, those guys are freaks. Romano will never get to that level, it's just that there's a reason why they're the only ones who are succeeding at his age.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 11:27 PM
I really want to see an active trade deadline. They need to fill some of these holes. You cant just build up through the draft.

Good luck with that. Maybe the off-season.

Roy Tucker
05-25-2018, 11:28 PM
I think the problem might be couching it with "at this point." Sal's always been problematic. If he was in another org I doubt we'd be looking at his resume and thinking he's going to be good. My take on him is he's striving to reach his BOR potential. So "at this point" I expect him to be the marginal talent he has been and most likely will continue to be.

Mind you, I'd love to be wrong about that.

Ok. That’s fair. I certainly understand the criticism of Romano. Maybe some seasoning at AAA would be best. But I don’t see anyone else around to fill his spot. I honestly don’t think Disco wiil fill the bill. But maybe he needs to show it. I like Romano’s chutzpah. How’s that?

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 11:28 PM
On pace for 56-106.

ochoa30
05-25-2018, 11:29 PM
Good luck with that. Maybe the off-season.

Why? I'd be surprised if the reds aren't fairly active at the least. They have to know it's now or never. They've waited on assets before and got burned

kaldaniels
05-25-2018, 11:39 PM
Ok. That’s fair. I certainly understand the criticism of Romano. Maybe some seasoning at AAA would be best. But I don’t see anyone else around to fill his spot. I honestly don’t think Disco wiil fill the bill. But maybe he needs to show it. I like Romano’s chutzpah. How’s that?

Unless you are bullish on Disco’s arm barking, I think you are in a small minority thinking he couldn’t outperform Sal.

(I said earlier in the year I like the cut of Sal’s jib so that counts for something, right?)

M2
05-25-2018, 11:39 PM
Something that I’d add is that too often youth is used as a crutch to “prop” guys up. I’ve been guilty of it but I’ve tried to be more aware. I’ve seen it with Peraza.

I mean let’s be real. Romano (at this point) should never be comped with Ohtani, Serevino, McCullers, Berrios etc. Just a different caliber of player. I hope we can agree there.

And I know is not a “comp” comp...but still.

Exactly. Age is not a cure for who you are. If you've been a certain type of player your whole life, that's not likely to change.

Kingspoint
05-25-2018, 11:41 PM
Good luck with that. Maybe the off-season.

I think we have a right to expect a different approach this season. New G.M., sort of. New Manager that has been successful. New attitude. Why not build on that by making at keast one June move to fix a hole. They could do a May move as suggested and fix the backup Catcher hole by grabbing Jett. Do a June Move, too, and a July Move, and three holes have been fixed. Ride this wave, establish a winning attitude, and the fans will show up and adding another surge to the wave.

Kc61
05-25-2018, 11:42 PM
Why? I'd be surprised if the reds aren't fairly active at the least. They have to know it's now or never. They've waited on assets before and got burned

The trade deadline is for certain kinds of deals. Not that much business gets done. Don’t expect too much.

Tom Servo
05-25-2018, 11:43 PM
Exactly. Age is not a cure for who you are. If you've been a certain type of player your whole life, that's not likely to change.
I used to agree completely with that line of thinking, and then a lot of guys in recent years changed the type of player they've been their whole lives.

Big Klu
05-25-2018, 11:45 PM
I think we have a right to expect a different approach this season. New G.M., sort of. New Manager that has been successful. New attitude. Why not build on that by making at keast one June move to fix a hole. They could do a May move as suggested and fix the backup Catcher hole by grabbing Jett. Do a June Move, too, and a July Move, and three holes have been fixed. Ride this wave, establish a winning attitude, and the fans will show up and adding another surge to the wave.

The "new GM" is a figurehead. Williams is still in charge of the front office and making all the decisions.

M2
05-25-2018, 11:50 PM
Ok. That’s fair. I certainly understand the criticism of Romano. Maybe some seasoning at AAA would be best. But I don’t see anyone else around to fill his spot. I honestly don’t think Disco wiil fill the bill. But maybe he needs to show it. I like Romano’s chutzpah. How’s that?

I'm not expecting much from Disco either, but Sal is the type who's going to need to make way a few times while he's trying to find his way.

- - - Updated - - -


I used to agree completely with that line of thinking, and then a lot of guys in recent years changed the type of player they've been their whole lives.

What's "a lot?"

Ron Madden
05-26-2018, 12:14 AM
Geno now leads the NL in RBI which is pretty remarkable considering he missed over 2 weeks

Indeed it is remarkable, Geno missed 16 games with his broken thumb.

Kingspoint
05-26-2018, 03:12 AM
The "new GM" is a figurehead. Williams is still in charge of the front office and making all the decisions.

Yes. I usually put quotes around it when I type it. Missed that time. Shoulder surgery is making me skip steps. Took me five minutes to type this, correcting typing 22 times.

- - - Updated - - -


I'm not expecting much from Disco either, but Sal is the type who's going to need to make way a few times while he's trying to find his way.



Perfect way of stating it.

Kingspoint
05-26-2018, 03:15 AM
The "new GM" is a figurehead. Williams is still in charge of the front office and making all the decisions.

Actually, I said that. "sort of"

Umkubas
05-26-2018, 10:40 AM
Steve Foster, a former Red famous for composing such standards as "Oh, Susanna", "Beautiful Dreamer", and "My Old Kentucky Home", is the pitching coach for the Rockies.

Very Good

Umkubas
05-26-2018, 11:02 AM
13677
The trouble was, my brain had an Elmer Fudd-esque Weds-Wockies playing.

Shhh! Be Vewy Vewy Quiet … I'm hunting Shooty Babitt

Umkubas
05-26-2018, 11:26 AM
What, the word 'harp'? My bad, wasn't meant to sound harsh.

And yet I see guys in that 104 to 119 range who are viable big league starters. Arrieta, Trevor Williams, Colon, Bettis, Fiers, Mengden, Anderson, Leake, etc. I think Romano can be an inning eater like those guys. But he can't have a BB/9 over probably 3.5 at very most, and he was over it last year and way over it this year. Needs to get better.


I believe your statistical information on Mike Leake is incorrect and hence your statement is just an opinion not reinforced with statistics.

Leake has struck out 37 batters in 57 and 2/3rds innings pitched. Team Rankings.com has listed Leake as 86th with a 5.8 strikeouts per 9 innings pitched, a far cry from your 104 - 109 range.

The best thing about Sal Romano is that his Cincinnati Reds’ salary for 2018 is $545,000 with his first year of arbitration eligibility being 2021.

Tom Servo
05-26-2018, 11:35 AM
I believe your statistical information on Mike Leake is incorrect and hence your statement is just an opinion not reinforced with statistics.

Leake has struck out 37 batters in 57 and 2/3rds innings pitched. Team Rankings.com has listed Leake as 86th with a 5.8 strikeouts per 9 innings pitched, a far cry from your 104 - 109 range.

The best thing about Sal Romano is that his Cincinnati Reds’ salary for 2018 is $545,000 with his first year of arbitration eligibility being 2021.
Don’t think you’re looking at the right thing. We were talking all pitchers who have thrown at least 40 innings this season, ranked by K/9.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=40&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=9,d

Umkubas
05-26-2018, 11:39 AM
6-4-3 DP ends the inning. 5-4 Rockies after 7

Former University of West Alabama Tiger, Tanner Rainey comes into the game in the bottom of the seventh inning with a man on first and one out. Rainey induces a groundout double play to end the seventh inning.

Go University of West Alabama Tigers

Shout out to the Bank Street Bank of Nova Scotia Cincinnati Reds hot stove

Umkubas
05-26-2018, 11:58 AM
Don’t think you’re looking at the right thing. We were talking all pitchers who have thrown at least 40 innings this season, ranked by K/9.

https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=40&type=8&season=2018&month=0&season1=2018&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=9,d

The statically quantity, strikeouts per 9 innings pitched varies little between TeamRankings.com (5.8) and Fangraphs (5.77). The difference is the ranking of Mike Leake, TeamRankings.com (86) and Fangraphs (113).

Fangraphs also ranks Leake 30th on ground ball percentage (48.5%).

GO SUNDEVIL BASEBALL

kaldaniels
05-26-2018, 12:06 PM
The statically quantity, strikeouts per 9 innings pitched varies little between TeamRankings.com (5.8) and Fangraphs (5.77). The difference is the ranking of Mike Leake, TeamRankings.com (86) and Fangraphs (113).

Fangraphs also ranks Leake 30th on ground ball percentage (48.5%).

GO SUNDEVIL BASEBALL

Dude, I set the parameters at 40 IP. Tom went with it. There's no issue.

Now I don't like ASU Baseball.

kaldaniels
05-26-2018, 12:09 PM
Leake is 88th out of 92 pitchers in K/9 as of this morning with min 50 IP.

113 out of 120 with min 40 IP.

It's all relative to the number of pitchers in the data set. How ever you cut it...he's bottom 10 percentile, easily.

Boo Sun Devil baseball.