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Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 02:21 PM
Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) RF
2. Tucker Barnhart (S) C
3. Joey Votto (L) 1B
4. Scooter Gennett (L) 2B
5. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
6. Adam Duvall (R) LF
7. Jose Peraza (R) SS
8. Luis Castillo (R) P
9. Billy Hamilton (S) CF

Padres
1. Travis Jankowski (L) LF
2. Eric Hosmer (L) 1B
3. Jose Pirela (R) 2B
4. Christian Villanueva (R) 3B
5. Franmil Reyes (R) RF
6. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
7. Manuel Margot (R) CF
8. Raffy Lopez (L) C
9. Tyson Ross (R) P

chicoruiz
06-03-2018, 03:11 PM
Would have been nice if Brandon Dixion had gotten a start in his home town...

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 03:19 PM
Would have been nice if Brandon Dixion had gotten a start in his home town...
I have been disappointed that Riggleman doesn't really do a better job of getting the bench guys into the lineup.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 03:22 PM
I have been disappointed that Riggleman doesn't really do a better job of getting the bench guys into the lineup.

I think he wants to keep'em on the bench for all the double switches he makes.

I'd like to see Blandino and Dixion get a few starts every now and then

JaxRed
06-03-2018, 03:39 PM
I think the rotation must be back on....

Stingray
06-03-2018, 04:06 PM
Does anyone know why today's game isn't on MLB extra innings?

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 04:09 PM
I have been disappointed that Riggleman doesn't really do a better job of getting the bench guys into the lineup.

I agree. He didn't get Herrera a fair chance, and I have no idea what he's doing with Blandino.

Kinsm
06-03-2018, 04:25 PM
Does Duvall have a clause in his contract that says he can't play RF?

Strikes Out Looking
06-03-2018, 04:26 PM
I have been disappointed that Riggleman doesn't really do a better job of getting the bench guys into the lineup.

It seems to me that some of the "starters" would be bench guys on most other teams, so I think your criticism of Riggleman is unfounded!

FlightRick
06-03-2018, 05:44 PM
Does anyone know why today's game isn't on MLB extra innings?

The ESPN Sunday Night Game of the Week has the power to blackout any and all other games at the national level. By purposely choosing the schedule the game late (for whatever event it is that's happening in downtown SD), the Padres ran afoul of this quirk.

cumberlandreds
06-03-2018, 05:59 PM
Does anyone know why today's game isn't on MLB extra innings?

It's showing up in my channel guide. I have Verizon Fios.

ochoa30
06-03-2018, 06:08 PM
Just cannot for the life of me figure out why the reds are so committed to Adam Duvall

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 06:11 PM
Just cannot for the life of me figure out why the reds are so committed to Adam Duvall
The depressing answer is in the Reds talking like it's 15 years ago and regularly citing his HRs and RBI numbers over the last two years.

BCubb2003
06-03-2018, 06:13 PM
I wonder if the many cameo announcers for Reds games have contracts or are paid by the game.

Red Raindog
06-03-2018, 06:16 PM
speed merchant Votto

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 06:16 PM
Votto is starting his quest for the cycle with a triple

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 06:16 PM
Votto two out triple!

BCubb2003
06-03-2018, 06:18 PM
speed merchant Votto

Not bad, but Billy Hamilton could have had a homer and a double on it.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 06:19 PM
pitch 4 to Scooter was definitely a strike that got called a ball

mhs95_06
06-03-2018, 06:22 PM
Does Duvall have a clause in his contract that says he can't play RF?

Duvall played in 6 games in 2016 in RF, with 5 starts and has only been in LF since except when he was in the infield. Looking at his defensive runs saved per 1200 innings the last 3 seasons:

2016 RF -55 runs
2016 LF +16 runs
2017 LF +8 runs
2018 LF +31 runs

In the last two seasons Winkler has played 51 games in RF, and and 19 in LF, and looking at his DRS/1200 innings ratings:

RF -33 runs
LF -25 runs

Schebler for his 4 yr career:

RF +3
CF 0
LF -7

Billy Hamilton for his exclusive CF 6 yr career is at +11 runs with this year by year:

2013 +27
2014 +14
2015 +10
2016 +19
2017 +9
2018 -3

klw
06-03-2018, 06:23 PM
Joey Havoc?

klw
06-03-2018, 06:29 PM
Castillo hitting 97/8 with his fastball per Gameday.

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 06:34 PM
Geno! :jump:

1-0 Redlegs

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 06:34 PM
Geno!

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 06:36 PM
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/p__/images/5/5c/EugeneJeep.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20141114234425&path-prefix=protagonist

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 06:37 PM
Duvall can't help himself and swings at ball four

klw
06-03-2018, 06:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQO2wEJefjM

Kc61
06-03-2018, 06:40 PM
Duvall is playing, and playing his regular position, so he can get his BA up, keep up his superior LF play, and be traded at the deadline.

Unfortunately the pitchers have him totally figured out this year. Probably not going to work.

Meanwhile, since the outfield rotation is still being used, we now can surmise that the FO didn’t agree with the mgr that it should be scrapped.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 06:41 PM
Geno has tied Edwin Encarnacion for fourth place among Latino players on the Reds home run list.

1. Tony Perez (Cuba) - 287
2. Dave Concepcion (Venezuela) - 101
3. Leo Cardenas (Cuba) - 72
4. Edwin Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 71
4. Eugenio Suarez (Venezuela) - 71
6. Wily Mo Peña (Dom. Rep.) - 54
7. Cesar Geronimo (Dom. Rep.) - 44
8. Felipe Lopez (Puerto Rico) - 41
9. Bo Diaz (Venezuela) - 39
10. Javier Valentin (Puerto Rico) - 34
11. Cesar Cedeño (Dom. Rep.) - 30
12. Mariano Duncan (Dom. Rep.) - 28
13. Jose Guillen (Dom. Rep.) - 27
14. Juan Castro (Mexico) - 25
15. Ramon Hernandez (Venezuela) - 24
16. Eduardo Perez (USA/Puerto Rico) - 23
17. Alex Ochoa (USA) - 20
18. Luis Quiñones (Puerto Rico) - 19
18. Benito Santiago (Puerto Rico) - 19
18. D'Angelo Jimenez (Dom. Rep.) - 19
18. Alex Gonzalez (Venezuela) - 19
22. Juan Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 16
23. Miguel Cairo (Venezuela) - 13
24. Roberto Kelly (Panama) - 12
25. Ruben Rivera (Panama) - 10
25. Jose Peraza (Venezuela) - 10

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 06:43 PM
Meanwhile, since the outfield rotation is still being used, we now can surmise that the FO didn’t agree with the mgr that it should be scrapped.
The article announcing it noted that Riggleman announced it after a meeting with GM Nick Krall and Buddy Bell.

I don't get this Redszone desire to turn Riggleman into some sort of brave truth-teller to the evil front office.

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 06:46 PM
1-2-3 second for Castillo.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 06:47 PM
Castillo looking good, so far.

Umkubas
06-03-2018, 06:49 PM
Castillo - 24 pitches thru 2 innings

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 06:50 PM
Winker seems like he's pressing, just swinging way too much and at pitches he won't do much with.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 06:53 PM
Tuck with a BB and Votto with a single to LF

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 06:53 PM
Votto a homer and double away from the cycle

Kc61
06-03-2018, 06:55 PM
Scooter with a few routine grounders lately. Maybe won’t be Player of the Month for June.

Umkubas
06-03-2018, 06:59 PM
Castillo - 6 pitch strikeout of Margot

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Castillo thru 3 innings on 33 pitches

Rolando
06-03-2018, 07:01 PM
I don't have a problem with the Reds staying with the outfield rotation cause none of those have do anything to be a full time starter this year.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 07:01 PM
Scooter with a few routine grounders lately. Maybe won’t be Player of the Month for June.

We're only three days in. Give him time.

Umkubas
06-03-2018, 07:05 PM
Suarez with a 7 pitch strikeout

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 07:06 PM
someone tell Duvall it's ok to walk

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It seems like batting the pitcher 8th has worked to their detriment a lot this season.

I have no data to back that up, just a sense

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 07:07 PM
7 game hitting streak for Peraza!

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 07:09 PM
It seems like batting the pitcher 8th has worked to their detriment a lot this season.

I have no data to back that up, just a sense
Yeah and it’s not like it’s helping the Billy situation either. I say scrap it.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 07:10 PM
someone tell Duvall it's ok to walk

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It seems like batting the pitcher 8th has worked to their detriment a lot this season.

I have no data to back that up, just a sense

Well, it makes sense that the #8 hitter would get more opportunities than the #9 hitter.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 07:11 PM
Nice play on the bunt by Castillo

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 07:16 PM
There are only eight guys on the Reds who were on the team when Skip Schumaker was with the Reds, and four of them were rookies in Skip's last year.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 07:21 PM
It would be nice to see Billy run here.

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Dang!!!

RedsfaninMT
06-03-2018, 07:27 PM
I think George thought Barnhart was out 3.

Maybe we should call that a J.R...as in a Smith. "I thought the game was over/tied."

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 07:30 PM
It rules that the Reds kept Duvall and Hamilton until the point where they value totally cratered.

RedsfaninMT
06-03-2018, 07:31 PM
Joey back over .300

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 07:32 PM
It rules that the Reds kept Duvall and Hamilton until the point where they value totally cratered.

Big Bob C. said he wants Billy to be a Red forever.

Kc61
06-03-2018, 07:33 PM
Scooter Gennett with an RBI single.

2-0.

BCubb2003
06-03-2018, 07:34 PM
Scoot King.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 07:34 PM
WTG Scooter 2-0 Reds

Kinsm
06-03-2018, 07:34 PM
Just cannot for the life of me figure out why the reds are so committed to Adam Duvall

Because he can hit the ball a mile, chicks love the long ball. They don't care if he strikes out in the other 4 pa's in a game.

Kinsm
06-03-2018, 07:37 PM
Duvall played in 6 games in 2016 in RF, with 5 starts and has only been in LF since except when he was in the infield. Looking at his defensive runs saved per 1200 innings the last 3 seasons:

2016 RF -55 runs
2016 LF +16 runs
2017 LF +8 runs
2018 LF +31 runs

In the last two seasons Winkler has played 51 games in RF, and and 19 in LF, and looking at his DRS/1200 innings ratings:

RF -33 runs
LF -25 runs

Schebler for his 4 yr career:

RF +3
CF 0
LF -7

Billy Hamilton for his exclusive CF 6 yr career is at +11 runs with this year by year:

2013 +27
2014 +14
2015 +10
2016 +19
2017 +9
2018 -3

All those numbers are meaningless (one exception Hamilton) because of sample sizes.

Kc61
06-03-2018, 07:41 PM
Fangraphs had an interesting article on Duvll in April based on early season. Still seems true.

Pitchers are throwing inside to him. His batted balls are predictable, lots of pulling, very little opposite field hitting. In this day of defensive positioning, his singles and doubles production has declined.

His walk rate is up substantially, but the combo of Ks and balls hit into the left side defense isn’t good.

RedsfaninMT
06-03-2018, 07:46 PM
Sigh. C'Mon Luis!

BCubb2003
06-03-2018, 07:46 PM
Fangraphs had an interesting article on Duvll in April based on early season. Still seems true.

Pitchers are throwing inside to him. His batted balls are predictable, lots of pulling, very little opposite field hitting. In this day of defensive positioning, his singles and doubles production has dried up.

His walk rate is up substantially, but the combo of Ks and balls hit right into the left side defense isn’t good.

Interesting. I wonder what the tech/data advance will be for the hitters.

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 07:47 PM
Looks like the whole season will be 4 or 5 innings by the starters, with the big scores for the opposition coming in the 5th, and the offense forgetting how to hit.

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 07:48 PM
It doesn’t get much easier than dealing with Padres hitters, but Harvey and now Castillo are putting themselves in some bad spots.

Kc61
06-03-2018, 07:48 PM
Castillo overthrowing.

Tadasimha
06-03-2018, 07:49 PM
That's one - now get that 6-4-3, Luis

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 07:50 PM
with the day off tomorrow, I'd bring in Hughes

Stingray
06-03-2018, 07:51 PM
The ESPN Sunday Night Game of the Week has the power to blackout any and all other games at the national level. By purposely choosing the schedule the game late (for whatever event it is that's happening in downtown SD), the Padres ran afoul of this quirk.

Thanks I figured it was something like that.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 07:52 PM
damn

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 07:52 PM
Time to go to the bullpen, as usual. Gets old.

Tadasimha
06-03-2018, 07:53 PM
Frak, felgarcarb and smeg

Ironman92
06-03-2018, 07:53 PM
Scooter with a few routine grounders lately. Maybe won’t be Player of the Month for June.

Good work ...thank you

Mutaman
06-03-2018, 07:54 PM
The pitch selection this entire inning has been really strange.

Kc61
06-03-2018, 07:54 PM
Guy has such a dynamic fastball, threw a hanging breaking pitch right over the plate.

Terrible pitch.

Ironman92
06-03-2018, 07:55 PM
Smh....out and about, checked MLB App and up 2-0, looked at box score and 10 seconds later it’s 4-2

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 07:55 PM
Yikes. I still have confidence in Luis turning it around but come on man, it’s the Padres.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 07:56 PM
Castillo knocked out in the fifth...

Rolando
06-03-2018, 08:00 PM
Yikes. I still have confidence in Luis turning it around but come on man, it’s the Padres.

I'm starting to wonder if last year was a fluke for Luis .

Mutaman
06-03-2018, 08:01 PM
Seems like on Gameday that whole debacle was due to Castillo losing concentration after the bunt single. missed with 3 straight fastballs to a .158 hitter.

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:06 PM
Yikes. I still have confidence in Luis turning it around but come on man, it’s the Padres.


Or...never mind. The pattern is the same every game almost. Something is wrong.

Rolando
06-03-2018, 08:07 PM
It's truly amazing how don't one pitcher that's even close to average

Kc61
06-03-2018, 08:08 PM
These guys must learn to get through five innings.

In today’s game five inning starts are ok, but you have to get through.

Alabama
06-03-2018, 08:08 PM
Or...never mind. The pattern is the same every game almost. Something is wrong.


He’s just not very good. No command

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 08:09 PM
I'm starting to wonder if last year was a fluke for Luis .
I know that’s a popular take but it implies that this 5.60 ERA guy is the REAL Castillo and I don’t buy that. I do think he pitched a little over his head last year, I thought he’d show more true potential than hard results, but overall he’s still doing a lot of things well. Something has to be done about these HR though.

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He’s just not very good. No command
Haven’t heard you chime in about Hunter Greene lately

Rolando
06-03-2018, 08:14 PM
I know that’s a popular take but it implies that this 5.60 ERA guy is the REAL Castillo and I don’t buy that. I do think he pitched a little over his head last year, I thought he’d show more true potential than hard results, but overall he’s still doing a lot of things well. Something has to be done about these HR though.

I agree he's not a 5.60 pitcher the truth probably lies in the middle 4 30 to 4.60 at this point in his career

50YrRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:15 PM
When today's game ends, the Reds will have completed 37% of their games. I see little to nothing that indicates that better times are ahead. Bad pitching, poor hitting, poor defense. Of course there are a few players doing well, but more doing poorly to have much sense of a turnaround anytime soon. And Louisville and Pensacola are both in last place having poor seasons. Few if any players on those teams are even close to helping soon. signed, totally frustrated.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 08:15 PM
I agree he's not a 5.60 pitcher the truth probably lies in the middle 4 30 to 4.60 at this point in his career

so, Johnny Cueto-ish?

BluegrassRedleg
06-03-2018, 08:16 PM
Awful.


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NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 08:16 PM
and I think we've seen all we need to see out of Wandy Peralta

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 08:17 PM
Jared Hughes coming into the game.

"Leeroy Jenkins!"

Rolando
06-03-2018, 08:18 PM
so, Johnny Cueto-ish?
I would say yes.








I would say yes expect Cueto was a lot younger.

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and I think we've seen all we need to see out of Wandy Peralta

That i agree with he not a. Major league pitcher

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 08:20 PM
Raffy Lopez just stole second.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 08:21 PM
Hughes should have come in before the grand slam in the 5th.

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:22 PM
Just unbelievable.

Kinsm
06-03-2018, 08:25 PM
Reds fans should be ecstatic that this team has an 18-23 record since Price was canned.

The starting pitching has posted a combined 5.69 ERA entering today, that is worse than the Reds SP in 2017 (5.55), 2016 (4.79), and 2015 (4.58). Let us not forget, the Reds lost 286 games over those 3 seasons.

Red Raindog
06-03-2018, 08:26 PM
Billy K's®

RiverRat13
06-03-2018, 08:28 PM
Reds fans should be ecstatic that this team has an 18-23 record since Price was canned.

The starting pitching has posted a combined 5.69 ERA entering today, that is worse than the Reds SP in 2017 (5.55), 2016 (4.79), and 2015 (4.58). Let us not forget, the Reds lost 286 games over those 3 seasons.

This is impossible. I was told there was no way the starting pitching could be as bad as 2017 or 2016.

Rolando
06-03-2018, 08:28 PM
Reds fans should be ecstatic that this team has an 18-23 record since Price was canned.

The starting pitching has posted a combined 5.69 ERA entering today, that is worse than the Reds SP in 2017 (5.55), 2016 (4.79), and 2015 (4.58). Let us not forget, the Reds lost 286 games over those 3 seasons.

Definitely not ecstatic about anything that are doing

Rolando
06-03-2018, 08:32 PM
Why is Barnhart batting 2nd is a awful hitter

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:33 PM
I'm going to start watching only the first 4 innings and check back in the 8th. The rest of the game is our starting pitchers blowing up and the scrub pitchers of the opposition making our bats silent. If this is rebuilding, someone doesn't know what they're doing.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 08:33 PM
theory: the San Diego Padres' "Swinging Friar" is the same guy as "Little Caesar"

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:34 PM
Why is Barnhart batting 2nd is a awful hitter
Just because. Just like everything else

BCubb2003
06-03-2018, 08:35 PM
theory: the San Diego Padres' "Swinging Friar" is the same guy as "Little Caesar"

Woah.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 08:40 PM
Jared Hughes just broke his own record for consecutive scoreless innings.

How about they trade him for 9 or 10 major league-ready players

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 08:47 PM
Jared Hughes just broke his own record for consecutive scoreless innings.

How about they trade him for 9 or 10 major league-ready players

Yes. I am in favor of trading any and all competent major-leaguers for more lottery tickets​ and magic beans.

We owe it to them to get them out of this cesspool.

JCM11
06-03-2018, 08:49 PM
What a great ab by Scooter. He's looking more like an elite hitter by the day.

NebraskaRed
06-03-2018, 08:49 PM
Scooter gonna scoot

BluegrassRedleg
06-03-2018, 08:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk52nGxF-jc

50YrRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:49 PM
Great AB by Scooter.

BCubb2003
06-03-2018, 08:50 PM
Hammerin’ Scoot.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 08:50 PM
http://www.motorscooterguide.net/Pictures/elite80.jpg

50YrRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:52 PM
Question: Is Scooter now the elite hitter in the Reds lineup? A castoff from Milwaukee.

Red Raindog
06-03-2018, 08:52 PM
Duvall has turned the corner -- (well he made a 90° left hand turn at first base)

50YrRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:55 PM
Duvall with an insignificant single with 2 out, then Peraza lines out.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 08:58 PM
Was Iglesias attacked by a vampire? It looks like he has a large bandage on his neck.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 08:58 PM
Damn!!!

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 08:58 PM
Wow. Right down the middle. Boom.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:00 PM
Well we gave that run right back.

50YrRedsFan
06-03-2018, 09:03 PM
Is it time to trade Raisel ? He will be 29 next January

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 09:04 PM
Well we gave that run right back.

Yeah. Only Scooter, Geno and Votto look good hitting, and a couple of pitchers. Most of the "prospects" don't look so good. It's a dire situation.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:05 PM
Is it time to trade Raisel ? He will be 29 next January

Absolutely. Probably should have been done last July.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:07 PM
Not sure I would have used Schebler to PH for Dixon. Might have been better to let Dixon hit for himself and use Schebler to PH for Hamilton.

Ironman92
06-03-2018, 09:09 PM
Scooter with a few routine grounders lately. Maybe won’t be Player of the Month for June.

Our words on here are powerful!

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 09:10 PM
Billy does not know the strike zone, apparently

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:10 PM
IMO, Schebler is undoubtedly the Reds' best overall outfielder.

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 09:12 PM
Perfect

JCM11
06-03-2018, 09:12 PM
Question: Is Scooter now the elite hitter in the Reds lineup? A castoff from Milwaukee.

I would hold off on that. Despite the low power numbers Votto is still the best hitter in the lineup. If Scooter is hitting .340 in September then we've got a conversation to have.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 09:13 PM
I've grown tired of watching Billy swing a bat.

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 09:13 PM
Thinking about all of those "Billy is fine, just bat him at the bottom of the order" lines.

ochoa30
06-03-2018, 09:14 PM
Wow, only watched the first 4 innings and Castillo was great. What a disappointing outing considering.

The Operator
06-03-2018, 09:14 PM
Gonna need somebody to talk me off the ledge here.

Checked my phone before mowing and Castillo had cruised through 4 easy innings of shutout ball with a low pitch count. Finish the yard and see that he fell flat on his face in the fifth and gave up a grand slam. To the Padres.


I hope I'm overreacting (been known to do that) but my god, he's looking pretty "bullpen or whatever".

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 09:15 PM
Thinking about all of those "Billy is fine, just bat him at the bottom of the order" lines.

He's awful
no matter where in the lineup they put him

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:15 PM
Perfect

That's, "Mr. Perfect."

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNjVmNTRjYzAtZWM4OS00YTBmLWIwY2QtYzQwMjU1ZTlhMz YzXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyNDUzOTQ5MjY@._V1_UY317_CR27,0,21 4,317_AL_.jpg

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 09:16 PM
I hope I'm overreacting (been known to do that) but my god, he's looking pretty "bullpen or whatever".
It's definitely overreacting, because basically you look at 15 good starts last year and 13 middling to poor ones this year and decide to pull the plug?

JCM11
06-03-2018, 09:17 PM
Joey missed a hanger there. Then follows it up with the worst swing of the year.

The Operator
06-03-2018, 09:17 PM
It's definitely overreacting, because basically you look at 15 good starts last year and 13 middling to poor ones this year and decide to pull the plug?

I hope you're right. But e wouldn't be the first pitcher to come up and set the world on fire for half a year and then never pitch that way again.


Like I said... hope I'm wrong. I probably am. But this sucks.

Ironman92
06-03-2018, 09:18 PM
Welp....got Joey up but he was fooled on both pitches

ochoa30
06-03-2018, 09:19 PM
I'm just hoping they get the first pick next year and someone bust out into Bryce Harper status. What else do we have? This team ain't good at all.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:22 PM
It's definitely overreacting, because basically you look at 15 good starts last year and 13 middling to poor ones this year and decide to pull the plug?

It could be that the 15 good starts last year are as far off the mark as the 13 not-so-great ones this year, and the truth lies somewhere in between. Maybe he's just another average to mediocre guy?

Maybe he's not Johnny Cueto, and he's also not Elizardo Ramirez. But he's​ starting to vaguely resemble Jose Acevedo a little bit.

Ron Madden
06-03-2018, 09:22 PM
Sometimes I wonder if this team will ever put together another winning streak

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 09:22 PM
I hope you're right. But e wouldn't be the first pitcher to come up and set the world on fire for half a year and then never pitch that way again.

Like I said... hope I'm wrong. I probably am. But this sucks.
Agreed, it sucks. And if anybody can screw up someone with Castillo's stuff, it's the Reds. But I do believe in the stuff and I don't think two bad months is a death sentence. A lot of Luis' underlying numbers look the same as 2017, but the BABIP is higher and the real killer are the HRs. Lot of good pitchers struggle with keeping the ball in the yard, it's about making better pitches and limiting damage.

JCM11
06-03-2018, 09:22 PM
I'm just hoping they get the first pick next year and someone bust out into Bryce Harper status. What else do we have? This team ain't good at all.

We need quality SP and lots of it. The team won't see much of an improvement until then.

WVRedsFan
06-03-2018, 09:25 PM
After this road trip, all I've got to look forward to is there is no game tomorrow. Until the Reds plan to pay for major league ready players, that's going to be the case. I'm livid. Whatever the Reds brain trust had for a plan, it ain't working. Time to change

Tony Cloninger
06-03-2018, 09:27 PM
It could be that the 15 good starts last year are as far off the mark as the 13 not-so-great ones this year, and the truth lies somewhere in between. Maybe he's just another average to mediocre guy?

Maybe he's not Johnny Cueto, and he's also not Elizardo Ramirez. But he's​ starting to vaguely resemble Jose Acevedo a little bit.

Cueto looked like Acevedo or Elmer Dessens early on too. Mario Soto looked like the early 20 year old learning how to pitch and worse than Castillo sometimes. Short memories are in huge supply around here.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:28 PM
I'm just hoping they get the first pick next year and someone bust out into Bryce Harper status. What else do we have? This team ain't good at all.

Bad news, old chap. As bad as things have been so far this season, the Reds currently have "only" the fourth-worst record in MLB, and another club is within a ½ game of them. That's what you get when a significant number of teams embrace the tanking strategy.

Tom Servo
06-03-2018, 09:29 PM
It could be that the 15 good starts last year are as far off the mark as the 13 not-so-great ones this year, and the truth lies somewhere in between. Maybe he's just another average to mediocre guy?

Maybe he's not Johnny Cueto, and he's also not Elizardo Ramirez. But he's​ starting to vaguely resemble Jose Acevedo a little bit.
I agree with the idea of 'truth in between', but I also don't think that's what he'll ALWAYS be. We've seen the upside and it's far greater than Elizardo Ramirez or Jose Acevedo ever had.

I know two months isn't nothing, but if Castillo gets Renfroe to get under that breaking pitch a little and gets through that inning and is putted on the back, is there nearly this level of consternation? It sucks and is bad that he gave up the HR and certainly that line between success and failure is always thin, but it just seems weird to think it changes the level of discourse so dramatically. Castillo is fundamentally still the same guy he was before today's game started, who had a 3.48 ERA in May.

ochoa30
06-03-2018, 09:32 PM
Bad news, old chap. As bad as things have been so far this season, the Reds currently have "only" the fourth-worst record in MLB, and another club is within a ½ game of them. That's what you get when a significant number of teams embrace the tanking strategy.

Assuming they make trades we may still have a shot but yeah, theyll probably be around 5 again.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:36 PM
Cueto looked like Acevedo or Elmer Dessens early on too. Mario Soto looked like the early 20 year old learning how to pitch and worse than Castillo sometimes. Short memories are in huge supply around here.

Cueto and Soto were 22 years old. Castillo is 25.

When Mario Soto was 25, he had a 2.79 ERA (132 ERA+) and 274 K's in 257⅔ innings.

When Johnny Cueto was 25, he had a 2.31 ERA (171 ERA+) in 156 innings.


And Elmer Dessens was never anything more than a #4 innings eater.

50YrRedsFan
06-03-2018, 09:40 PM
[QUOTE=The Operator;3797622]I hope you're right. But e wouldn't be the first pitcher to come up and set the world on fire for half a year and then never pitch that way again.

Does Jack Armstrong come to mind?

Tony Cloninger
06-03-2018, 09:44 PM
Cueto and Soto were 22 years old. Castillo is 25.

When Mario Soto was 25, he had a 2.79 ERA (132 ERA+) and 274 K's in 257⅔ innings.

When Johnny Cueto was 25, he had a 2.31 ERA (171 ERA+) in 156 innings.


And Elmer Dessens was never anything more than a #4 innings eater.

I’m not going to blame Castillo for being older. I’m going by his experience pitching in the majors and since when is 25 old?

Also this road trip reminds me of many bad WC trips that again short memory people seem to have.

True story. September 1974 Reds leave LA taking 2 out of 3 and then go to a barely average SF and then a horrible SD teams and I think went 1-5 or 2-4. Talk about a gutless bunch of players that 1974 team had. Big time chockers.

I’m watching some of the best hitters this year on any team swing at crap hanging for them these last 2 games and doing nothing. Just a typical WC trip.

Big Klu
06-03-2018, 09:44 PM
On pace for 57-105.

Mutaman
06-03-2018, 09:45 PM
but if Castillo gets Renfroe to get under that breaking pitch a little

or if he had just thrown a fastball.

CincyDave
06-04-2018, 12:39 AM
Just a typical WC trip.

Wshew! What a relief. The Reds have a valid excuse for being terrible.
Nothing to see here, move along.