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cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:00 PM
Game starts in 10 minutes. I haven't seen a lineup yet on twitter. I assume they are still playing.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 12:03 PM
C. Trent Rosecrans
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#Reds lineup: Schebler 8, Peraza 6, Votto 3, Suárez 5, Gennett 4, Duvall 7, Casali 2, Castillo 1, Hamilton 8

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:08 PM
Jim Day and The Cowboy on the radio call today. I guess Marty is vacationing.

Not much better way to spend lunch time than listening to a ballgame.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:12 PM
Schebler singles to get this game going.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:15 PM
Votto K's and is thrown out the game.

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Carlos Torres is the home plate umpire and apparently has a very wide strike zone.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:17 PM
Votto K's and is thrown out the game.

Psycho Joey is back. That usually spells bad news for opposing pitchers. (Not today, of course, but in the next several games.)

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:18 PM
Suarez flies out to deep left to end the first. No score and one ejection after a half an inning.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 12:18 PM
Time for Castillo to show some consistency. Hes been so hot and cold. Looking forward to a good start today hopefully.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:18 PM
Psycho Joey is back. That usually spells bad news for opposing pitchers. (Not today, of course, but in the next several games.)

Eighth time in his career he has been ejected.

CySeymour
06-27-2018, 12:20 PM
Was the ejection warranted?

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:20 PM
People can call me bias all they want.
But I'll always say it until I'm blue in the face...
The Reds DO NOT get home calls like other MLB teams.
That high strike call on Votto was complete garbage. And a perfect example. That same pitch is definitely not a strike on Freddie Freeman in GABP.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:20 PM
Dixon takes over at 1B for Votto.

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Albies not in the lineup for the Braves today. That should be a break for Castillo.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 12:22 PM
Psycho Joey is back. That usually spells bad news for opposing pitchers. (Not today, of course, but in the next several games.)

Pretty good timing. Against the lefty, early day game, I thought it was a decent day for Joey to rest anyway.

Maybe Dixon can square one up against the lefty today. Not a bad game for him to get some PT.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:22 PM
Braves out in order. Two K's for Castillo. Nice start for him.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 12:23 PM
Nice first inning. Slider looked fithly to Freeman. That's a good sign.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:24 PM
Was the ejection warranted?

Yes and no. He was too tenacious in his argument, and kept up after being told "that's enough". But I also think the umpire baited him a little bit, because as he was walking away the umpire said something, and Joey turned around with fire in his eyes.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:25 PM
Here's the pitch Votto was ejected on. Just a liiiiiitle high. :)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgteY1dXcAIaqPe.jpg

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:30 PM
Casali singles and Duvall gets lucky and makes it to third. Third baseman dropped the ball.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:32 PM
At a boy Billy!

Kc61
06-27-2018, 12:32 PM
Billy singles home a run.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:32 PM
Hamilton a clutch two out hit to drive in a run.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 12:33 PM
Billy "delivers the goods."

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 12:33 PM
Just turned the game on (thought it started at 12:30!), and I'm sad I missed Joey getting ejected.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:33 PM
Eighth time in his career he has been ejected.

I was at a game in 2010 with my dad when Joey got ejected in middle of his AB in the bottom of the first inning vs. the Marlins. Drew Stubbs finished the AB with a PH double and stayed in the game in CF, and He Who Will Not Be Named moved from CF to 1B.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:34 PM
If Culberson gets an error on that play at 3rd it's ridiculous.

BCubb2003
06-27-2018, 12:35 PM
I was at a game in 2010 with my dad when Joey got ejected in middle of his AB in the bottom of the first inning vs. the Marlins. Drew Stubbs finished the AB with a PH double and stayed in the game in CF, and He Who Will Not Be Named moved from CF to 1B.

Milt Pappas? Oops. Sorry.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:35 PM
Schebler K's to end the inning. 1-0 Reds in the 2nd.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:38 PM
Milt Pappas? Oops. Sorry.

Nope. Look at the 2010 Reds stat sheet, and find the guy who finished with 3 HR's and 3 RBI's as a Red.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:38 PM
I was at a game in 2010 with my dad when Joey got ejected in middle of his AB in the bottom of the first inning vs. the Marlins. Drew Stubbs finished the AB with a PH double and stayed in the game in CF, and He Who Will Not Be Named moved from CF to 1B.

Who started in CF? Edmonds?

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:41 PM
Braves out in order. A couple of hard hit balls but they were outs. 1-0 Reds after 2.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:41 PM
Who started in CF? Edmonds?

Yes. :angry:

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 12:44 PM
Peraza with a triple yesterday and a home run today.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:44 PM
Homer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jump::jump::jum p::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump::jump: :jump::jump:

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:44 PM
Peraza!!! Goes Yard!!
More of THAT please Jose!!
Wish he would try to pull the ball more.
I remember a HR he hit in San Diego that he CRUSHED.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:45 PM
The Homer was not Bailey it was by Peraza. :D

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 12:46 PM
Wow, ump baited Votto in a major way.

Why is the UMP jawing at him while he is WALKING AWAY from the plate?

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:46 PM
I would have gave Votto and Scooter both the day off today anyway.
Newcomb can struggle with righties, but seems to dominate lefties. Duvall had a great at bat

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:47 PM
Peraza is now in 25th place among Latino players on the Reds home run list, passing OF Ruben Rivera (best-known for being Mariano Rivera's cousin​).

1. Tony Perez (Cuba) - 287
2. Dave Concepcion (Venezuela) - 101
3. Eugenio Suarez (Venezuela) - 76
4. Leo Cardenas (Cuba) - 72
5. Edwin Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 71
6. Wily Mo Peña (Dom. Rep.) - 54
7. Cesar Geronimo (Dom. Rep.) - 44
8. Felipe Lopez (Puerto Rico) - 41
9. Bo Diaz (Venezuela) - 39
10. Javier Valentin (Puerto Rico) - 34
11. Cesar Cedeño (Dom. Rep.) - 30
12. Mariano Duncan (Dom. Rep.) - 28
13. Jose Guillen (Dom. Rep.) - 27
14. Juan Castro (Mexico) - 25
15. Ramon Hernandez (Venezuela) - 24
16. Eduardo Perez (USA/Puerto Rico) - 23
17. Alex Ochoa (USA) - 20
18. Luis Quiñones (Puerto Rico) - 19
18. Benito Santiago (Puerto Rico) - 19
18. D'Angelo Jimenez (Dom. Rep.) - 19
18. Alex Gonzalez (Venezuela) - 19
22. Juan Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 16
23. Miguel Cairo (Venezuela) - 13
24. Roberto Kelly (Panama) - 12
25. Jose Peraza (Venezuela) - 11
26. Ruben Rivera (Panama) - 10

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:48 PM
I thought I seen where the Reds were 29-30 officially under Riggleman going into yesterday?

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:49 PM
Gennett a two out double.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 12:49 PM
Peraza is now in 25th place among Latino players on the Reds home run list, passing OF Ruben Rivera (best-known for being Mariano Rivera's cousin​).

1. Tony Perez (Cuba) - 287
2. Dave Concepcion (Venezuela) - 101
3. Eugenio Suarez (Venezuela) - 76
4. Leo Cardenas (Cuba) - 72
5. Edwin Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 71
6. Wily Mo Peña (Dom. Rep.) - 54
7. Cesar Geronimo (Dom. Rep.) - 44
8. Felipe Lopez (Puerto Rico) - 41
9. Bo Diaz (Venezuela) - 39
10. Javier Valentin (Puerto Rico) - 34
11. Cesar Cedeño (Dom. Rep.) - 30
12. Mariano Duncan (Dom. Rep.) - 28
13. Jose Guillen (Dom. Rep.) - 27
14. Juan Castro (Mexico) - 25
15. Ramon Hernandez (Venezuela) - 24
16. Eduardo Perez (USA/Puerto Rico) - 23
17. Alex Ochoa (USA) - 20
18. Luis Quiñones (Puerto Rico) - 19
18. Benito Santiago (Puerto Rico) - 19
18. D'Angelo Jimenez (Dom. Rep.) - 19
18. Alex Gonzalez (Venezuela) - 19
22. Juan Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 16
23. Miguel Cairo (Venezuela) - 13
24. Roberto Kelly (Panama) - 12
25. Jose Peraza (Venezuela) - 11
26. Ruben Rivera (Panama) - 10

Seems like the Reds gave up on Edwin Encarnacion so fast. Did the same with Paul Konerko.

klw
06-27-2018, 12:50 PM
Votto ejection video here:
https://www.mlb.com/video/votto-ejected-from-the-game/c-2202725783

I almost think he was more upset about an earlier pitch being wide based on his gestures:
see pitch 1

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 12:51 PM
Peraza is now in 25th place among Latino players on the Reds home run list, passing OF Ruben Rivera (best-known for being Mariano Rivera's cousin​).

1. Tony Perez (Cuba) - 287
25. Jose Peraza (Venezuela) - 11

I don't think he's gonna make it to #1. ;)

Griffey012
06-27-2018, 12:51 PM
Peraza may very well be morphing into a newish player...I was generating a graph on his swing rates as he hit that home run. I will post it over in a Peraza thread for those who care.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 12:52 PM
Seems like the Reds gave up on Edwin Encarnacion so fast. Did the same with Paul Konerko.

No, they gave him plenty of rope. I predicted that he would have been non-tendered if they hadn't traded him. Two other clubs gave up on him, too. (Toronto and Oakland)

And Konerko was the price for Mike Cameron.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 12:53 PM
Duvall flies out to CF to end the third. 2-0 Reds

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 12:57 PM
Peraza may very well be morphing into a newish player...I was generating a graph on his swing rates as he hit that home run. I will post it over in a Peraza thread for those who care.
He's doing a number of things pretty well, if he can tap into some more power he'd be a real solid regular.

JaxRed
06-27-2018, 12:58 PM
Was the ejection warranted?

Yes. Pitch was just on the edge of being a strike. Ump warned Joey to walk away. He didn't.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:01 PM
Castillo pretty sharp today so far.
What if he were to no hit the Braves?
Do we really want to give him a 3 year $50 million dollar contract?

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:02 PM
He's doing a number of things pretty well, if he can tap into some more power he'd be a real solid regular.

Maybe he might develop along a similar track to another Venezuelan SS for the Reds, who came into his own around age 25.

reds44
06-27-2018, 01:02 PM
Castillo pretty sharp today so far.
What if he were to no hit the Braves?
Do we really want to give him a 3 year $50 million dollar contract?

Wat

WrongVerb
06-27-2018, 01:02 PM
Castillo pretty sharp today so far.
What if he were to no hit the Braves?
Do we really want to give him a 3 year $50 million dollar contract?

With a 4th year option at a relatively inexpensive rate? Yes, sign me up now for that.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:03 PM
Castillo using the change-up early and often with lots of success thru 3. Bullpen needs to take note of off-speed success on the Braves.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:03 PM
Yes. Pitch was just on the edge of being a strike. Ump warned Joey to walk away. He didn't.

I gotta disagree.
Bryce Harper does not get a strike called there. Neither does Trout. And Votto should not got the strike.
It was obviously high, and Votto should have had more lead way.
Votto has the best eye in all of baseball. And it was obviously way high.

Griffey012
06-27-2018, 01:04 PM
He's doing a number of things pretty well, if he can tap into some more power he'd be a real solid regular.

Being more selective is certainly a way to help tap into more power. If he could get his ISO up to say .100-.120 he would be plenty fine as a starting SS.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:05 PM
I gotta disagree.
Bryce Harper does not get a strike called there. Neither does Trout. And Votto should not got the strike.
It was obviously high, and Votto should have had more lead way.
Votto has the best eye in all of baseball. And it was obviously way high.

Votto has been complaining a lot lately on pitches that are actually strikes. He got his due!

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 01:06 PM
I might be going out on a limb here, but Casali is better than Tony Cruz

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:07 PM
I might be going out on a limb here, but Casali is better than Tony Cruz

I'm not sure that Curt Casali isn't better than Devin Mesoraco (2018 model).

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:10 PM
What if the Reds win today to take the series?
Then what if they take 3 of 4 from the Brewers to be around 9 games out?
Mahle, Castillo, Ramono all pitch very well in the 2nd half, plus Disco stays healthy.
Are any of you naive enough like me to think miracles are possible and the Reds could catch the Cubs & Brewers?
Is it possible?
Just imagine if the Reds had done the OBVIOUS thing and not brought back Bryan Price?
If they only .500 right now they would be like 6 games out.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:11 PM
Maybe he might develop along a similar track to another Venezuelan SS for the Reds, who came into his own around age 25.

I have been telling my self all along, remember Dave Concepcion, remember Dave Concepcion. We will see............

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 01:15 PM
So...I like this Louis Castillo.

I knew he was in there, somewhere.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:16 PM
How was that not a swing? Oh yeah, it's Freddie Freeman.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:19 PM
With a 4th year option at a relatively inexpensive rate? Yes, sign me up now for that.

That was a stab at Homer Bailey lol.
But really? Sign you up for that? That's a whole lot of money for an unproven player.
Anthony Rizzo signed a 7 year deal worth 41 Million with the Cubs before he became "Anthony Rizzo"
That's more of a club friendly deal with a player you think will be good. Worth taking a chance.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 01:19 PM
Louis got robbed during Freeman's AB. And now a hit with 2 outs. Ugh.

Boston Red
06-27-2018, 01:19 PM
What if the Reds win today to take the series?
Then what if they take 3 of 4 from the Brewers to be around 9 games out?
Mahle, Castillo, Ramono all pitch very well in the 2nd half, plus Disco stays healthy.
Are any of you naive enough like me to think miracles are possible and the Reds could catch the Cubs & Brewers?
Is it possible?
Just imagine if the Reds had done the OBVIOUS thing and not brought back Bryan Price?
If they only .500 right now they would be like 6 games out.

Don't do this to yourself. Hopefully this improved play portends well for 2019.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:20 PM
The mental aspect is what seems to be really hurting Castillo this season. An at-bat goes wrong and he starts letting things snowball.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:21 PM
Suzuki singles in a run and its 2-1 with the Braves still batting.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:21 PM
Great AB by Freeman for the 2 out walk, then two first pitch base hits for a Braves run, then another base hit to tie it.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:21 PM
Castillo has personally offended THom.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:22 PM
Another hit and we are tied.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:22 PM
Well...back to even.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:22 PM
He just cant stop the bleeding this year. Seems mental to me.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 01:23 PM
Great AB by Freeman for the 2 out walk, then two first pitch base hits for a Braves run, then another base hit to tie it.

He struck out. It was a bad call.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 01:23 PM
Castillo is crying out for the tandem pitcher approach.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:24 PM
Castillo is crying out for the tandem pitcher approach.
Nah. We know what he's capable of, he just has to get over this hurdle.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 01:24 PM
Castillo is crying out for the tandem pitcher approach.

Rough inning, but we don't know where is final line will end up yet.

Still might finish strong.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:24 PM
Unbelievable. Every single hit was right down the middle.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:25 PM
And the snowball keeps getting bigger. Braves now leading 3-2.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 01:25 PM
Rough inning, but we don't know where is final line will end up yet.

Still might finish strong.

Or maybe not.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:25 PM
All with two outs too.

BluegrassRedleg
06-27-2018, 01:25 PM
When it goes with these young guys, it goes.


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ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:26 PM
Castillo has easily been the biggest disappointment this year. Ugly.

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Hes looking like a bullpen arm more and more every start

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 01:26 PM
Mental!! That's all it is. This happens to him all the time!!

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:27 PM
It's an avalanche now. 4-2 Braves. Five straight singles. Goodness!!!

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:27 PM
Another base hit and a bad throw from Duvall and a great slide by Suzuki produce another run, 3-2. And another two out scorcher brings in another run, 4-2.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:27 PM
Castillo has easily been the biggest disappointment this year. Ugly.

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Castillo looking like a bullpen arm so far this year.
Disagree. You either believe in his stuff or you don't. I do, even with the bad first half.

InsaneinthBrame
06-27-2018, 01:27 PM
Castillo is crying out for the tandem pitcher approach.

Why?

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:29 PM
Disagree. You either believe in his stuff or you don't. I do, even with the bad first half.

The stuff is fine. Clearly it's a mental issue that he probably would avoid facing less batters per outing.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:29 PM
Castillo just doesn't have the mettle!

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:30 PM
Finally out of the inning. 4-2 Braves after four. Nasty inning..........

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:30 PM
I'm not saying the guy couldn't start eventually but he gets shaken so easily and cant stop the bleeding. Let him build his confidence in the pen.

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 01:31 PM
I'm not saying the guy couldn't start eventually but he gets shaken so easily and cant stop the bleeding. Let him build his confidence in the pen.

nah, that doesn't allow him to learn how to adapt with batters the 2nd or 3rd time through the order, which is a big part of his problem.

Rolando
06-27-2018, 01:31 PM
Disagree. You either believe in his stuff or you don't. I do, even with the bad first half.

I think your being kind calling it bad he is been down right awful.

Mitri
06-27-2018, 01:31 PM
The mental aspect is what seems to be really hurting Castillo this season. An at-bat goes wrong and he starts letting things snowball.

Yep. It started with the check swing no call on Freeman. He knew it was a good pitch and should've ended the inning. Freeman fouls off another 5 pitches and draws the walk.

Castillo moves to the stretch and can't stop the rattles.

CasterTroy
06-27-2018, 01:32 PM
Do you guys think it would hurt his confidence to swap him and Robert Stephenson? Let Castillo get his confidence back in AAA.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:32 PM
The stuff is fine. Clearly it's a mental issue that he probably would avoid facing less batters per outing.
Just doesn't add up to me. It's something he can get over, he's not a finished product.

My goal is to see him finish the year with an ERA under 5.00, and I think he'll get there.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 01:33 PM
Why?

Because he doesn’t make it through his starts successfully often enough.

Maybe he will some day, but this isn’t that day.

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 01:33 PM
Schebler comes up to make a statement after that inning......and immediately weakly lines out to the pitcher

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:34 PM
Just doesn't add up to me. It's something he can get over, he's not a finished product.

My goal is to see him finish the year with an ERA under 5.00, and I think he'll get there.

I hope so. By no means have I given up on him. He just hasn't made any improvements throughout the course of this season which is discouraging.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:34 PM
Because he doesn’t make it through his starts successfully often enough.

Maybe he will some day, but this isn’t that day.
We're 13 games under .500, we can afford some patience.

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 01:34 PM
second triple in as many games for Peraza

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:34 PM
Critical run that needs to be gotten in here with Peraza on 3rd and 1 out.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:35 PM
Peraza Triples!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:36 PM
That's 1 back!

Flair4Horsemen
06-27-2018, 01:36 PM
If a pitcher comes up and isn't Kershaw immediately Reds fans just destroy the guy. News flash: Young pitchers have struggles, even if they are really good the first time through the league.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:36 PM
Nice job by Dixon!

Rolando
06-27-2018, 01:36 PM
Just doesn't add up to me. It's something he can get over, he's not a finished product.

My goal is to see him finish the year with an ERA under 5.00, and I think he'll get there.

Under 5.00 era that's exciting ha. Not getting on you that's a realistic goal now in the season. Just was hoping Castillo would at least be average this year.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 01:36 PM
And Dixon does the job!

WrongVerb
06-27-2018, 01:36 PM
Joey Pipp? :D

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 01:37 PM
I like Dixon.
But he better find a different position if he wants to be an everyday starter in this organization.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:37 PM
Joey Dixon gets the job done.

Flair4Horsemen
06-27-2018, 01:37 PM
I hope so. By no means have I given up on him. He just hasn't made any improvements throughout the course of this season which is discouraging.

Except he did make improvements, and then struggled again. Like what happens to most young pitchers.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:38 PM
If a pitcher comes up and isn't Kershaw immediately Reds fans just destroy the guy. News flash: Young pitchers have struggles, even if they are really good the first time through the league.

A near 6 ERA is more then a little bad. 18 home runs allowed which leads the league. Hes been slightly better then Homer Bailey this year. I think the criticism is fair.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 01:38 PM
Thom just listed all of the positions when talking about Dixon.

Maybe he will learn the game after all.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:39 PM
A near 6 ERA is more then a little bad. 18 home runs allowed which leads the league. Hes been slightly better then Homer Bailey this year. I think the criticism is fair.
Criticism sure, it's a bad first half. But it feels more than a little reactionary to do the "oh he'll never get it, bullpen or whatever" stuff at this stage.

Flair4Horsemen
06-27-2018, 01:40 PM
A near 6 ERA is more then a little bad. 18 home runs allowed which leads the league. Hes been slightly better then Homer Bailey this year. I think the criticism is fair.

Not sure anyone is saying he hasn't been bad. I think what we are saying is that he has the talent to not be bad and that he isn't a finished product.

If you think this is what he is moving forward, fine. I disagree.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:40 PM
I like Dixon.
But he better find a different position if he wants to be an everyday starter in this organization.

I think his role will likely be offensive-minded utility player.

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 01:40 PM
If a pitcher comes up and isn't Kershaw immediately Reds fans just destroy the guy. News flash: Young pitchers have struggles, even if they are really good the first time through the league.

Yea I get that, but where's the improvement? It's the same o same old. Kinda like Finnegan.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:41 PM
Criticism sure, it's a bad first half. But it feels more than a little reactionary to do the "oh he'll never get it, bullpen or whatever" stuff at this stage.

I didn't say that at all. Just dont feel he is being helped by constantly being run out there to fail. Many pitchers have pitched successfully from the Bullpen and then come back as a starter.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:41 PM
4-3 Braves in the fifth. Need a good bounce back inning by Castillo here.

Flair4Horsemen
06-27-2018, 01:41 PM
Yea I get that, but where's the improvement? It's the same o same old. Kinda like Finnegan.

He was really good in May.

Essentially he has had two bad months. It happens.

NebraskaRed
06-27-2018, 01:42 PM
Yea I get that, but where's the improvement? It's the same o same old. Kinda like Finnegan.

I mean, he hasn't yet pitched an entire season for the Reds

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:42 PM
4-3 Braves in the fifth. Need a good bounce back inning by Castillo here.

Hook should be very quick I would imagine. Hopefully he can settle down and return to his first 3 inning form.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:42 PM
I didn't say that at all. Just dont feel he is being helped by constantly being run out there to fail. Many pitchers have pitched successfully from the Bullpen and then come back as a starter.
Fair enough. I go back and forth on what the best course of action is, whether you stay the course or give him a trip to Louisville. You still see the glimpses like today of him coming out of it but then the issues crop up again. My inclination is to ride it out, he's young but not early 20s and doesn't have the deer in the headlights thing like Cody Reed did.

Rolando
06-27-2018, 01:43 PM
Not sure anyone is saying he hasn't been bad. I think what we are saying is that he has the talent to not be bad and that he isn't a finished product.

If you think this is what he is moving forward, fine. I disagree.

Me personally I think he become really good down the line. Just disappointing that he has regressed some much this year.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 01:43 PM
Just doesn't add up to me. It's something he can get over, he's not a finished product.

My goal is to see him finish the year with an ERA under 5.00, and I think he'll get there.

I don’t think there’s any magic ERA. Nor is Castillo’s throwing arm a question.

The issue for all these young starters is getting through the middle innings.

There are lots of great young arms in baseball who can stymie hitters for two-three innings. But it takes more to face the lineup again and make it through even five or six. Let alone seven.

That will tell the tale, Mahle has shown me he can do it, Romano and Castillo have not (despite Romano’s good work against KC and Detroit).

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:44 PM
There are lots of great young arms in baseball who can stymie hitters for two-three innings. But it takes more to face the lineup again and make it through even five or six. Let alone seven.

That will tell the tale, Mahle has shown me he can do it, Romano and Castillo have not (despite Romano’s good work against KC and Detroit).
Mahle hasn't gone more than 6.1 innings in a start, Castillo went 8 twice last season.

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 01:45 PM
I think it's time to pull him, before it gets out of hand.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:46 PM
Mahle hasn't gone more than 6.1 innings in a start, Castillo went 8 twice last season.

This just isnt the same guy we saw last year. He was very aggressive and confident last year. He has nibbled so much this year. I really do hope he can get back there.

Rolando
06-27-2018, 01:48 PM
This home plate ump is a joke.

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 01:49 PM
Mahle hasn't gone more than 6.1 innings in a start, Castillo went 8 twice last season.

That was last season. He's totally a different pitcher.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:50 PM
After a review of a HBP that stands, Castillo is out. Crockett will be in.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:50 PM
Rough outing. Let's hope the bullpen can keep it close.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:51 PM
That was last season. He's totally a different pitcher.
He's still Luis Castillo.

InsaneinthBrame
06-27-2018, 01:51 PM
FYI on Castillo this year BA/OBP/SLG
first time through order .265/.329/.504
second time through order .270/.328/.496
third time through order .225/.321/.429

It has not made a difference if it is first time or second time through order. Actually his best has been third time through the order.

His stuff has not been as good velocity down across board the sinker is no where near as good this year not sinking hence HR increase

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:52 PM
Had to step away for a moment. What was the review about?

Rolando
06-27-2018, 01:52 PM
He's still Luis Castillo.

The question becomes who is Luis Castillo this year or last year's version?

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Had to step away for a moment. What was the review about?

The hit by pitch

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 01:53 PM
The question becomes who is Luis Castillo this year or last year's version?
Probably somewhere in between, but we have plenty of time to figure it out.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 01:54 PM
Mahle hasn't gone more than 6.1 innings in a start, Castillo went 8 twice last season.

Mahle has gone 5 or more innings 14 of his 16 starts this year with a sub-4.00 ERA.

And whatever Castillo did last year is old news. Teams adjust to pitchers. And Castillo hasn’t shown so far that he can work through that and make it through the middle innings.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:55 PM
Jackson Stephen's coming in with the bases loaded and 1 out

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 01:56 PM
The question becomes who is Luis Castillo this year or last year's version?

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The hit by pitch

Strange. It seemed obvious that he was hit by the pitch.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 01:56 PM
Rough inning, but we don't know where is final line will end up yet.

Still might finish strong.

Not today. Maybe next time.

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 01:57 PM
Help me out here. Why Jackson Stephen's with the bases loaded?

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 01:57 PM
Jackson Stephen's coming in with the bases loaded and 1 out

Double switch too. Winker in to LF with Duvall going to first. Dixon is out of the game.

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 01:58 PM
Great pitch! Maybe it will work out.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:58 PM
1 out to go. Nice pitch there to get Suzuki.

reds44
06-27-2018, 01:59 PM
I still think Castillo will be fine, but I wouldn’t hate letting him reset in Louisville for awhile. Not all development is linear.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 01:59 PM
That sucks.

BluegrassRedleg
06-27-2018, 02:00 PM
One of those days.


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ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:03 PM
Really great job by Crockett and Stephen's. Unfortunate error but still just one run. I expect we see Stephen's go atleast 2 more innings.

Umkubas
06-27-2018, 02:03 PM
Castillo pretty sharp today so far.
What if he were to no hit the Braves?
Do we really want to give him a 3 year $50 million dollar contract?

A little early for a contract......Castillo does not go to arbitration til 2021.......free agency til 2024

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:04 PM
If they can keep the Braves to 5 I think they win it.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:14 PM
You don't have to go South. There are Waffle Houses in Columbus.

forfreelin04
06-27-2018, 02:15 PM
On the Reds radio broadcast, Brantley said Castillo went back to his old habit of falling off towards the left hand side of the mound after the prolonged at bat by Freeman in the 4th. Sometimes the smallest things can lead to disastrous results. His fastball tends to stay flat and up in the zone when he does this. If he drives towards the plate instead, you have the first 3 perfect innings he had.
He's young. He has great stuff. All you can do is hang with him. Unfortunately, no one is knocking on the door at AAA to take his place. Because ideally, you'd like him to perfect his windup and stretch in AAA.

WrongVerb
06-27-2018, 02:16 PM
On the Reds radio broadcast, Brantley said Castillo went back to his old habit of falling off towards the left hand side of the mound after the prolonged at bat by Freeman in the 4th. Sometimes the smallest things can lead to disastrous results. His fastball tends to stay flat and up in the zone when he does this. If he drives towards the plate instead, you have the first 3 perfect innings he had.
He's young. He has great stuff. All you can do is hang with him. Unfortunately, no one is knocking on the door at AAA to take his place. Because ideally, you'd like him to perfect his windup and stretch in AAA.

Falling into old, bad mechanical habits is part of the learning curve. (I've had this happen to me, though in a different sport.) It's something you learn to mitigate through experience. And unless Castillo is a complete moron (he's not), he should be able to correct that flaw in his game over the long term.

InsaneinthBrame
06-27-2018, 02:17 PM
13800

Castillo velocity has been going down hill as shown in this rolling average graph

Rantly
06-27-2018, 02:22 PM
You don't have to go South. There are Waffle Houses in Columbus.

Thom is talking about Waffle House again??

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:26 PM
Blandino never had a chance. The umpire took the bat right out of his hands.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:26 PM
This umpire has been awful all game particularly against the Reds.

JaxRed
06-27-2018, 02:26 PM
On the Reds radio broadcast, Brantley said Castillo went back to his old habit of falling off towards the left hand side of the mound after the prolonged at bat by Freeman in the 4th. Sometimes the smallest things can lead to disastrous results. His fastball tends to stay flat and up in the zone when he does this. If he drives towards the plate instead, you have the first 3 perfect innings he had.
He's young. He has great stuff. All you can do is hang with him. Unfortunately, no one is knocking on the door at AAA to take his place. Because ideally, you'd like him to perfect his windup and stretch in AAA.

There most certainly are guys knocking on the door at AAA. Both Stephenson and Reed have ERA's below 4. Stephenson is 3.72

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 02:27 PM
I wonder if these home plate umpires review their strike zones? Because this guy is awful!

Kc61
06-27-2018, 02:27 PM
Castillo’s velocity and performance issues should be remembered by every fan who embraces trading Reds’ successful players for more kid pitchers who haven’t broken into the big leagues.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:27 PM
Thom is talking about Waffle House again??

Yes, and I don't know why. I've been to a Waffle House, and it was an overrated experience.

RiverRat13
06-27-2018, 02:27 PM
You don't have to go South. There are Waffle Houses in Columbus.

There are at least 10 in the Cincinnati area and a ton all over Ohio.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:29 PM
Atlanta is one of the five largest cities in United States?

According to THom, it is.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:29 PM
Scooter coming through again. What's new?

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:30 PM
There are at least 10 in the Cincinnati area and a ton all over Ohio.

THom talks like he's never seen one unless he is vacationing in the Deep South.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 02:31 PM
Atlanta is one of the five largest cities in United States?

According to THom, it is.

Lol - Its the 38th largest city (9th Largest Metro)

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:31 PM
Atlanta is one of the five largest cities in United States?

According to THom, it is.

Lol, 40th according to a quick Google search. I wonder if Thom even knows what Google is.

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 02:32 PM
Blandino never had a chance. The umpire took the bat right out of his hands.

And Thom is livid (at Blandino).

It's like the FIFTH time!!!

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:34 PM
And Thom is livid (at Blandino).

It's like the FIFTH time!!!

It bothers me that he didnt point out that the pitch was atleast 3 inches outside. Welsh did but says he should expand his zone. How about maybe the umpire makes the right calls? Sheesh

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 02:34 PM
Omg duvall!!!!

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:34 PM
Reds take the lead on a Duvall single. Hes been way better as of late.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:35 PM
Omg duvall!!!!

https://images05.military.com/sites/default/files/styles/full/public/media/people/2014/01/robertduvallkilgore.jpg?itok=-17GQJTu

InsaneinthBrame
06-27-2018, 02:35 PM
Yeah who cares about those RBIs

Rantly
06-27-2018, 02:35 PM
Yes, and I don't know why. I've been to a Waffle House, and it was an overrated experience.

Must be receiving some $$

Kc61
06-27-2018, 02:35 PM
Duvall hitting to right is a pretty good idea. He might have thought of it sooner.

As for Scooter, his regression ended pretty suddenly and turned into a new progression. Seriously the guy has been a beast.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:35 PM
Casali with a very nice opposite field hit now. Would love to get some insurance.

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Dang, Winker lines out to left.

Mutaman
06-27-2018, 02:36 PM
i'm in favor of trading folks off a good year, but I'd make an exception for this Scooter fellow. He is too good a hitter.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 02:38 PM
Errors coming big into play in this series with them giving both teams their 5th runs today and taking away the Reds 4-3 lead late Monday.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 02:39 PM
We just had the anticipated Winker vs Winkler face off.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:39 PM
It bothers me that he didnt point out that the pitch was atleast 3 inches outside. Welsh did but says he should expand his zone. How about maybe the umpire makes the right calls? Sheesh

I'm not in favor of expanding the strike zone. I believe in protecting the strike zone with two strikes, but not swinging at pitches outside the zone.

Kc61
06-27-2018, 02:39 PM
About a week ago, maybe 10 days, Duvall’s oppo hitting rate was 14%. Going into today it was 17.5% before that beautiful RBI single to right.

Is BABIP random? To some extent, sure. And maybe Duvall’s sudden oppo surge is happenstance. But I like to think that some element of adjustment helps a hitter “hit ‘em where they ain’t.”

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 02:41 PM
RBI's on the road, really useful statistic for comparing players.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 02:42 PM
About a week ago, maybe 10 days, Duvall’s oppo hitting rate was 14%. Going into today it was 17.5% before that beautiful RBI single to right.

Is BABIP random? To some extent, sure. And maybe Duvall’s sudden oppo surge is happenstance. But I like to think that some element of adjustment helps a hitter “hit ‘em where they ain’t.”

And where they're pitched.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:43 PM
David Hernandez gets it done!

BluegrassRedleg
06-27-2018, 02:43 PM
About a week ago, maybe 10 days, Duvall’s oppo hitting rate was 14%. Going into today it was 17.5% before that beautiful RBI single to right.

Is BABIP random? To some extent, sure. And maybe Duvall’s sudden oppo surge is happenstance. But I like to think that some element of adjustment helps a hitter “hit ‘em where they ain’t.”

Makes me wonder if he’s not working with Votto on some adjustments, too.


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cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 02:43 PM
The side is K'd!

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:44 PM
About a week ago, maybe 10 days, Duvall’s oppo hitting rate was 14%. Going into today it was 17.5% before that beautiful RBI single to right.

Is BABIP random? To some extent, sure. And maybe Duvall’s sudden oppo surge is happenstance. But I like to think that some element of adjustment helps a hitter “hit ‘em where they ain’t.”

I also think that the #6 or #7 spot in the order is a better fit for him, too.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 02:45 PM
Many Reds players are now doing well going oppo right now.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 02:47 PM
Not a GABP HR for Schebler!

CaiGuy
06-27-2018, 02:47 PM
Nice play by Santana.

membengal
06-27-2018, 02:49 PM
BABIP hell that inning.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 02:50 PM
Some great leather keeps the Reds from insurance runs.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 02:52 PM
Hernandez back for a 2nd inning of work.

ochoa30
06-27-2018, 02:54 PM
Braves have had a good amount more luck then the Reds tonight

membengal
06-27-2018, 02:54 PM
More BABIP hell. Sometimes baseball is stupid.

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 02:55 PM
Hughes coming in after a bloop single by Suzuki.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:55 PM
Hughes coming in after a bloop single by Suzuki.

Leeroy Jenkins!

TennesseeRed
06-27-2018, 02:57 PM
Roll it.

membengal
06-27-2018, 02:57 PM
That's better.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 02:57 PM
6-4-yessiree-3!

cumberlandreds
06-27-2018, 02:57 PM
Leeroy Jenkins!

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6-4-yessiree-3!

You guys are ahead of me. I like it!

Tadasimha
06-27-2018, 02:58 PM
Leeroy Jenkins!

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6-4-yessiree-3!

He got chicken too

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 02:59 PM
A great spot for the DP! Three outs in 5 pitches for Hughes to take it to the 9th.

Baseballdad37
06-27-2018, 03:00 PM
The signing of David Hernandez and Jared Hughes made the front office look like geniuses. The Rockies spent over $100m for their bullpen, while the Reds spent $10m!!

TennesseeRed
06-27-2018, 03:03 PM
Lorenzen with the plate discipline.

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 03:04 PM
And a DP strikes severe damage into the Reds' hopes for insurance runs.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 03:05 PM
I've seen good-hitting pitchers for the Reds before--Mike Leake, Micah Owings, Travis Wood, Dontrelle Willis. But Michael Lorenzen doesn't look like a pitcher at the plate at all. He looks like an outfielder.

Tadasimha
06-27-2018, 03:05 PM
Lorenzen with the plate discipline.

Suarez without

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 03:08 PM
Don't skimp on off-speed pitches Raisell!

Playadlc
06-27-2018, 03:12 PM
Rasiel is a stud.

membengal
06-27-2018, 03:13 PM
That's a really great win, and nice series win to boot. Awesome.

Tom Servo
06-27-2018, 03:13 PM
We're still good! :beerme:

mhs95_06
06-27-2018, 03:14 PM
Don't skimp on off-speed pitches Raisell!

A 3 out, 3 batter save using more sliders and change-ups than fastballs!

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 03:15 PM
On pace for 69-93.

BluegrassRedleg
06-27-2018, 03:16 PM
Jackson Stephens MVP :beerme:

Really nice comeback win.

RedlegsFanatic
06-27-2018, 03:17 PM
How bout these fightin Riggleman's???
I get annoyed when Suarez makes the error and head to the grocery store cause I needed to go anyway.
And just as I'm checking out....my at-bat app messages me "Duvall gives the Reds the lead"
In the words of the great Mel Allen.....HOW BOUT THAT!!!

Is that Sam LeCure om Reds Live??? I love it!

Tadasimha
06-27-2018, 03:20 PM
That's a really great win, and nice series win to boot. Awesome.

Coukd get used to this!

BluegrassRedleg
06-27-2018, 03:25 PM
I get annoyed when Suarez makes the error and head to the grocery store cause I needed to go anyway.
And just as I'm checking out....my at-bat app messages me "Duvall gives the Reds the lead"

I did the exact same thing. These guys keep battling.

Sea Ray
06-27-2018, 03:26 PM
OK, I missed the end 'cause my "customer" changed the channel to soccer. I mean to please but...:explode:

Rolando
06-27-2018, 03:30 PM
Really nice come back!! Keep it rolling!!

Rolando
06-27-2018, 03:33 PM
We're still good! :beerme:

And to think I had my doubts today I love being wrong

UKWhoDey
06-27-2018, 03:34 PM
This homestand v the Brew Crew looms huge now! A real chance to make up some ground and keep shaking things up! Lets go boys!!!

Boston Red
06-27-2018, 03:36 PM
9 games out of the wild card! :)

Sea Ray
06-27-2018, 03:41 PM
What's particularly appealing about this recent run is that it's coming against good teams. It's been a long time since we've had a run of beating good teams

Maldez
06-27-2018, 03:46 PM
What's particularly appealing about this recent run is that it's coming against good teams. It's been a long time since we've had a run of beating good teams

Appealing indeed. I couldn't watch a big chunk of the season earlier because of horrid play and losing, but I'm cautiously hopeful that this team is not just a mirage or on a lucky streak....has the re-build finally taken form?

JustaFan
06-27-2018, 04:05 PM
Boston Red and only 13 out of first.

And I noticed an Enquirer article on one the Red's relief pitcher as perhaps a playing a little center field , the position he played in college. An idea I through out several months ago re the publicity of the two-way Angel from Japan and helping to balance the picher/player 25 mix.

Kingspoint
06-27-2018, 04:14 PM
And the REDS do it again...take down another 1st place club, winning this series, and 5 of 6 series.

Big Klu
06-27-2018, 05:37 PM
This probably needs to be posted here:

The Reds are now 31-31 under Jim Riggleman.

Maldez
06-27-2018, 05:54 PM
This probably needs to be posted here:

The Reds are now 31-31 under Jim Riggleman.

I actually thought the Reds were doing better under Riggleman than .500....sure seems like it.

cumberlandreds
06-28-2018, 07:07 AM
Really good come from behind win. They did with Votto out of the game early too and the starting pitcher getting bounced out early also. Reds are 6-1 in this 11 game stretch of playing good teams. Another good test against the Brewers this weekend. I don't think they have been playing as well lately and have sent a couple of players to the DL too. Maybe a chance to have another solid series.

Kingspoint
06-28-2018, 12:48 PM
Really good come from behind win. They did with Votto out of the game early too and the starting pitcher getting bounced out early also. Reds are 6-1 in this 11 game stretch of playing good teams. Another good test against the Brewers this weekend. I don't think they have been playing as well lately and have sent a couple of players to the DL too. Maybe a chance to have another solid series.

Must win 2. Would like to win 3.

PuffyPig
06-28-2018, 02:58 PM
Must win 2. Would like to win 3.

They really don't need to win any. I would like them to win all 4 LOL.