Friday, June 29, 2018 7:10 start Milwaukee at Cincinnati

[Umkubas]

Schebler
Barhardt
Votto
Gennett
Suarez
Winker
Peraza
Romano
Hamilton

Lineup as of 6:48 PM EDT on MLB SCORES

[UPRedsFan]

don’t pitch to Thames at all tonight!

[ochoa30]

don’t pitch to Thames at all tonight!

I'd be amazed if he doesnt take Sal deep at least once

[Ironman92]

1st batter = rocket

[Ironman92]

I'd be amazed if he doesnt take Sal deep at least once

Up and away and he won’t hit anything out

[Ironman92]

Thames.....top of zone fastballs, he gone

[Ironman92]

Jesus goes down

[Ironman92]

Shaw grounds out to Joseph

[Ironman92]

The sun seems extra bad right now.

[Ironman92]

Votto misses first two fastballs in the zone

[Ironman92]

Votto actually protected on a pitch that was a definite ball inside....but I understand. He didn’t look comfortable. Sun is a huge factor right now.

[WrongVerb]

Word to Jim and Chris: the dimensions of the game changed wildly for awhile before settling to where they are now. The pitching mound used to be 54' if I remember correctly.

[Ironman92]

Braun lays down a perfect bunt with Suarez deep. Smart

[Burger Beer]

Well, well, well... An effective bunt.

[Big Klu]

Word to Jim and Chris: the dimensions of the game changed wildly for awhile before settling to where they are now. The pitching mound used to be 54' if I remember correctly.

Yeah, but the pitcher's plate has been set at 60'6" since 1893, and the basepaths have been 90' since the 1840's.

[ochoa30]

Awful pitches to Pina and Broxton. Cant let the bums beat you like that.

[Ironman92]

Another rocket...buckle down Sal

[Baseballdad37]

Why throw a fastball there??

[Ironman92]

Yeah, but the pitcher's plate has been set at 60'6" since 1893, and the basepaths have been 90' since the 1840's.

That’s impressive

[Baseballdad37]

Now that's the pitch he should of thrown to Broxton

[ochoa30]

Big batter here early in the game. Gotta get miller.

[Ironman92]

Trout just went I’ll guess 480 ft

[Big Klu]

That’s impressive

Knickerbocker Rules.

[Ironman92]

Jim Day does a nice job. His voice isn’t good but I like everything else.

That underhand by Votto was silly but effective

[Ironman92]

Scooter needs to recalibrate. He’s trying too hard right now. His swing has been wild the last 10-12 games but he’s getting some hits in there. Of very late he is down 0-2 in the count about 3x a game. He typically battles but too hard to be down 0-2. I think is pull swing is too hard and too much going on, needs to shorten things up. His oppo swings isn’t far off but being down 0-2 due to his trying to pull swing is making him less effective.

[CaiGuy]

Scooter needs to recalibrate. He’s trying too hard right now. His swing has been wild the last 10-12 games but he’s getting some hits in there. Of very late he is down 0-2 in the count about 3x a game. He typically battles but too hard to be down 0-2. I think is pull swing is too hard and too much going on, needs to shorten things up. His oppo swings isn’t far off but being down 0-2 due to his trying to pull swing is making him less effective.

He needs to stop swinging at pitches 8 inches above the zone.

I don't see why a pitcher would throw him a strike right now. Make 'em bring it down.

[Ironman92]

Up in the top of the zone again and Thames is harmless

[Ironman92]

Jesus with a pretty good 0-2 poke on a 95 mph pitch decently into the upper corner away

[Ironman92]

He needs to stop swinging at pitches 8 inches about the zone.

I don't see why a pitcher would throw him a strike right now. Make 'em bring it down.

Real simple.....keep it below your hands, but he’s still leading the league in hitting so I’ll leave it be for another few games

[Ironman92]

Jesus is reminded me of Young David Ortiz. Ortiz wasn’t Ortiz for the Twins.

[Ironman92]

Real good pitch to Braun....took a little off instead of overthrowing

[The Operator]

Sal overthrowing

[Ironman92]

Sal overthrowing

To Pina big time

[Ironman92]

Terrible pitch right down the pipe....got lucky

[Tom Servo]

9 up 9 down so far for the Reds.

[The Operator]

Aye

2-0 on Broxton's first homer of the year

[ochoa30]

Keon Broxton HR. Wow.

[CaiGuy]

Playing the role of Thames for the Brewers this evening is: Keon Broxton.

[Ironman92]

Keon Broxton HR. Wow.

Why wow? The HR or that he hit it?

[paulrichjr]

So sitting in the Scout seats tonight and using my “expert” scouting ability I am not at all impressed with Sal’s stuff. He just isn’t a starting pitcher on a winning team. Maybe a 5th starter but we have got to do better than this. Bring up BobSteve.

[ochoa30]

Why wow? The HR or that he hit it?

Just the fact of how bad the pitch was. But yeah this guy shouldnt be beating us.

[Ironman92]

Just the fact of how bad the pitch was. But yeah this guy shouldnt be beating us.

I mean he hit 20 HR last year in just over 400 AB...mix that with Sal throwing straight meatballs in a flyer park

[Tom Servo]

this is happening because I dropped Chase Anderson from my fantasy team.

[Ironman92]

Tucker inside outs one and takes what the gave him

Base hit

[Ironman92]

Funny stuff by Kratz

Votto struck it well but GIDP

[CaiGuy]

Sigh, he still has faced the minimum.

[Ironman92]

Sal might not get thru this inning

[Ironman92]

Jesus pops out. Jim Day loves him some Jesus

[Ironman92]

Brewers look darn good. Clearly better team today

[Burger Beer]

Brewers look darn good. Clearly better team today

They got Jesus in the three-hole. Duh.

[Ironman92]

This outcome with Braun seems obvious

[Ironman92]

I still like Billy

[The Operator]

That really hit him?

Ugh

[Ironman92]

Didn’t see it

[Ironman92]

Welp....here it is

[The Operator]

And now he's nibbling with the bases juiced

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Strike 1 was a gift

Should be 3-0 Brewers

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Somehow got out of the inning


If Riggleman is smart that's the last pitch Sal throws tonight

[Tom Servo]

Now that's managing a decent overall outing by the absolute skin of your teeth.

[Indymoon]

In the 5th inning, Marty called Romano’s outing a “debacle “ which seems a bit strong.

[Burger Beer]

Anderson at 53 pitches through 5 innings.

[Big Klu]

In the 5th inning, Marty called Romano’s outing a “debacle “ which seems a bit strong.

5 innings, 2 runs. "Debacle" sounds about right. :rolleyes:

[Burger Beer]

He went 3 times through the lineup. Kept it close for the better pitchers to take over. Quality start in the new reality.

[Big Klu]

What the hell was that?

[Big Klu]

Michael Lorenzen home run!

They've gotta find a way to get this guy more AB's.

[Burger Beer]

What the hell was that?

THAT was a real ball player smacking a home run.

[JCM11]

We're gonna have to put Lorenzen back at his old CF spot.

[Tom Servo]

I've always scoffed at the idea of using a decent college outfielder who has done nothing but pitch for the last five seasons as an outfielder...but maybe Lorenzen really can rake.

[butsch16]

I'm not convinced Michael Loerenzen wouldn't have been a better outfielder than he is a pitcher.

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[durl]

Why can't the rest of the lineup hit like Lorenzen?

[Baseballdad37]

Lorenzen should be playing CF

[Big Klu]

THAT was a real ball player smacking a home run.

Actually, that comment was about the earlier promo with some guys in a golf cart making fools of themselves.

But yes, Lorenzen can swing it.

[mhs95_06]

Schebler getting some Votto squat in him with 2 strikes!

[Burger Beer]

Actually, that comment was about the earlier promo with some guys in a golf cart making fools of themselves.

But yes, Lorenzen can swing it.

I'm a slow reader and get excited easy. Teachers hated me.

[Tadasimha]

Schebler getting some Votto squat in him with 2 strikes!

Ew

[Redeye fly]

Heh, I remember in one of the more recent game threads someone said trade Lorenzen because he's too inconsistent.

I actually thought at that time it might be more interesting to try to transition him to the outfield. You can always find a bullpen guy who throws 96. I mean, you really can. They almost seem to grow on trees anymore. And while yes you can find outfielders too, if Lorenzen is not going to be a reliable bullpen guy it might be worth at least seeing if he can be a reliable bat.

The Cardinals did it with Ankiel and while it didn't necessarily work out sensationally it did buy Ankiel major league playing time until he was 33 that he likely wasn't going to see as a pitcher barring a dramatic turnaround.

And I have a feeling Lorenzen would be a more refined hitter than Ankiel was.

[RED VAN HOT]

One HR every 14.5 AB's for Lorenzen.

[The Operator]

I'd love to rough Hader up here

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Votto walks to start things against Hader

[Red Raindog]

I'd love to rough Hader up here

Yes -- they're raving about his 8 K job against the Reds -- but I seem to remember him getting a VERY generous series of calls from the home plate ump

[The Operator]

Scooter blown away. 1 out

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Hader seems like an arm injury waiting to happen.

[The Operator]

Geno managed to make an AB of it but GIDP

[BluegrassRedleg]

Judge just hit his 50th HR in 134th home game. Fastest ever to do it.

[The Operator]

Lorenzen wants to put it out of reach apparently

[mhs95_06]

Lorenzen with shades of Mike Leake defensive play from the mound!

But very poor at holding runners!

[Ironman92]

Tucker! WTF!!!!!!!!

[The Operator]

Lol wow


Just wow

[BluegrassRedleg]

What. The. Hell?

[Burger Beer]

You gotta be kiddin me. Fundamentals my arse.

[Ironman92]

Atrocious

[JCM11]

Idiotic play by Tucker.

[LexRedsFan]

Didn’t we just jack this same scenario up a few nights ago

[mhs95_06]

Reds less than perfect on their 3rd rundown this week. Tucker needs to throw that to 3rd in time to tag the lead runner out going back into 3rd.

[Burger Beer]

Where was Votto? Shoulda been at the plate.

[Big Klu]

Actually, there is a caught stealing on that play, as Arcia is out 2-5-2-8 CS. But Broxton scores on the play.

They should have tagged Broxton when he fell down.

[The Operator]

"Hey fans we know we've been playing better but just so you don't forget, here's a little something to remind you that we're still bad."

Signed,

Reds

[Big Klu]

Where was Votto? Shoulda been at the plate.

There were plenty of people at the plate. (At least two Reds.)

['69]

I imagine most following this thread aren't listing to Marty, but rest assured he went bah- listic.

[The Operator]

I imagine most following this thread aren't listing to Marty, but rest assured he went bah- listic.

I can only imagine.

[mhs95_06]

Pinch hit for a batter who homered last AB with a batter that hits from the same side of the plate?

[klw]

Why pinch hit for Lorenzen of all people?

[Ironman92]

Didn’t we just jack this same scenario up a few nights ago

Not like that. That was another level

[The Operator]

Why pinch hit for Lorenzen of all people?
Yea, that made no sense

[mhs95_06]

Pinch hit for a batter who homered last AB with a batter that hits from the same side of the plate?

And he strikes out. He took strike 3 but the ump didn't call it, then he whiffs on the next one.

[Baseballdad37]

What's your take on Lorenzen going 3 innings when you have a rested Hernandez and Hughes in the bullpen.

[klw]

Where was Votto? Shoulda been at the plate.

He was near the plate but staying out of the way of Lorenzen and Suarez who were also there.

[Ironman92]

And he strikes out. He took strike 3 but the ump didn't call it, then he whiffs on the next one.

And Duvall was 0-8 off Jeffress

[The Operator]

Wow Billy how do you take that

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And Duvall was 0-8 off Jeffress

Riggleman is light years better than Price was but I'm fully on board with someone else next year.

[mhs95_06]

What's your take on Lorenzen going 3 innings when you have a rested Hernandez and Hughes in the bullpen.

Lorenzen will have more opportunity to hit the next couple days. You are behind, let the lower tier reliever eat the innings and have H&H fresh for a game you have the lead in, hopefully tomorrow afternoon in the heat!

[The Operator]

Crockett looks all of about 17 years old.

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Chris discussing FIP on the air.

Good thing no Thom or we'd be in for it.

[Big Klu]

Chris Welsh is enjoying having Jim Day in the booth, because now he can talk about BABIP and FIP.

[mhs95_06]

Threw the same pitch to Thames twice on the 3-2 and he fouled both but the 2nd was in play for the out.

[WrongVerb]

Crockett looks all of about 17 years old.

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Chris discussing FIP on the air.

Good thing no Thom or we'd be in for it.

Jim just suggested Chris go bring up FIP to Marty and said they'd mistake it for a new flavor ice cream. :laugh:

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Is it fair to say the Breneman's are keeping Reds fans from enjoying all aspects of the game by not discussing advanced statistics?

[CaiGuy]

Jim just suggested Chris go bring up FIP to Marty and said they'd mistake it for a new flavor ice cream. :laugh:

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Is it fair to say the Breneman's are keeping Reds fans from enjoying all aspects of the game by not discussing advanced statistics?

Yes

[The Operator]

Brewers have a little something going after two hits with two outs.

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Jackson Stephens coming on. Hoo Boy

[The Operator]

Stephens gives up a rocket into the gap.

Barnhart drops throw at the plate, both runs score.

5-1

['69]

Sheesh..

[The Operator]

Charging Barnhart with an error on that play

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Stephens coughs another run up

6-2

[Big Klu]

Jim just suggested Chris go bring up FIP to Marty and said they'd mistake it for a new flavor ice cream. :laugh:

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Is it fair to say the Breneman's are keeping Reds fans from enjoying all aspects of the game by not discussing advanced statistics?

I'll be honest. Advanced statistics do not really interest me at all. I get all that I need out of the older stats. But I don't disparage the newer stats, and if somebody likes them and wants to talk about them, then that's fine by me.

The attitude of the Brennamans towards advanced metrics bothers me more than the metrics themselves.

[The Operator]

Wow


Stephens is bad


Another Broxton homer makes it 8-1

[mhs95_06]

That is a terrible scoring decision to Barnhart an error, just because the ump didn't see what happened at first and gave an out sign that he quickly corrected. You never should get an error on a tag play that runner and ball arrive at the glove at the same time.

[Big Klu]

That is a terrible scoring decision to Barnhart an error, just because the ump didn't see what happened at first and gave an out sign that he quickly corrected. You never should get an error on a tag play that runner and ball arrive at the glove at the same time.

Agreed. It's not like Barnhart ever had full possession of the ball, and then lost it on the tag.

[Rolando]

Thanks Tucker for giving them 5 runs cause of bad defense

[mhs95_06]

Agreed. It's not like Barnhart ever had full possession of the ball, and then lost it on the tag.

How many times in your life have you ever seen an error charged instead of a stolen base credited when the 2B/SS loses the handle on the ball on the tag when it is not a rundown play?

[The Operator]

Thanks Tucker for giving them 5 runs cause of bad defense

This is way more on absolutely terrible pitching than it is Tucker Barnhart.

[WVRedsFan]

Got home just in time to see Jack Steve blow the game right up. Have mercy

[The Operator]

Is Counsel arguing balls and strikes with an 8-1 lead?

[Rolando]

This is way more on absolutely terrible pitching than it is Tucker Barnhart.
Stephens is horrible but Barnhart has to catch an easy throw

[Big Klu]

How many times in your life have you ever seen an error charged instead of a stolen base credited when the 2B/SS loses the handle on the ball on the tag when it is not a rundown play?

Exactly.

I'm guessing you've kept a book once or twice in your lifetime.

[mhs95_06]

Brantley says this is the 17th game in a row the Brewers have played in Cincy in which they have hit a HR, and their HR total for those 17 games is 38!

[The Operator]

Stephens is horrible but Barnhart has to catch an easy throw

Sure but I'm not gonna get too upset when the pitching staff gave up rocket after rocket with 2 outs. Don't give up a million hits and you won't need your catcher to make bang bang plays at home.

[Ironman92]

Keon is winning.

[The Operator]

Looks like that ball hit the ground on the way down and got jarred a bit

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Call stands. Probably the right call

[Ironman92]

Scooter robbed of two hits tonight

[Ironman92]

That was maybe the #1 defensive play of the week

[The Operator]

Geno knocks Schebler in to makes it 8-2

RBI #60 in the Reds' 82nd game even with the time he missed.

[CaiGuy]

Cool, at least they can do some stat padding before this thing is over.

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Let's get Winker another HR.

[The Operator]

Welp. That's that

Reds drop the first two of this four gamer. Gotta win out just to split.

[Big Klu]

Geno knocks Schebler in to makes it 8-2

RBI #60 in the Reds' 82nd game even with the time he missed.

Even more impressive when you consider that this is only his 65th game.

[Rolando]

Even more impressive when you consider that this is only his 65th game.

A lot of people on base for him

[Big Klu]

On pace for 67-95.

[WVRedsFan]

Sad result. When I left the car, it was 3-1. By the time I got the TV on, it was 5-1, and 8-2 final. Brewers are good, but scoring 4 unearned runs are on the Reds.

[Rolando]

On pace for 67-95.

With this pitching staff that would be a miracle

['69]

Can't stand the brewers since that last series in the '99 season. Lol.

[Ironman92]

A lot of people on base for him

A lot of clutch hitting to get them in

[mhs95_06]

Exactly.

I'm guessing you've kept a book once or twice in your lifetime.

A few times, but not as much as you might think. I got interested in scoring at my first Reds game in the early 60's at Crosley field when we paid like a quarter for a scorecard so we could know who the players were from their numbers which was before they put their names on their backs. It came with a short pencil with a valuable eraser on it, nit like for golf scorecards. Anyway I have been interested in scoring ever since.

Tonight Billy Hamilton deserved an error much more than Tucker Barnhart's on his wild throw home after his tag-out on the rundown play. If he makes a good throw there and they get the DP, then Tucker is the hero instead of the goat. Tucker's and Hernan Perez' agents need to file an appeal on that play to get the error removed and an RBI credited. Then Crockett's and Jackson Stephens' agents will want to counter appeal for the 4 un-earned runs turning into earned runs!