7/11/18 Reds @ Indians

[Ironman92]

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[Vottomatic19]

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Much better quality Ironman.

Thanks for posting and I like this lineup supremely.
5 runs min

[Big Klu]

I'll be watching the Reds broadcast tonight. My nephew is here, and he wants to watch THom so he can hear what dumb thing he says next.

[goreds2]

Pretty good lineup when you have a guy flirting with 60 RBI's batting 8th.

[NebraskaRed]

Votto breaks up the no hitter with a single

[Kingspoint]

At this rate, Carrasco will be at 115 pitches through 5.

[ochoa30]

Pitching Jose Ramirez up and in is unwise

[NebraskaRed]

2-0 Indians

[BluegrassRedleg]

That kid’s pretty good. Oh well, gotta get our comeback on again.


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[NebraskaRed]

Wink Wink with a Double Double

[NebraskaRed]

well that came to nothing

[50YrRedsFan]

Leadoff double by Winker, but Reds strand him on 3rd.

[Rolando]

Let's go 0 for 4 with runners in scoring position.

[ochoa30]

Stop walking Jason Kipnis. He sucks.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Yes, Thom, you can say the SP has gotten considerably better.


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[ochoa30]

Missed 2 calls on the last 2 batters. Super tight strike zone for Mahle so far.

[Tadasimha]

Roll em up!

[Red Raindog]

Missed 2 calls on the last 2 batters. Super tight strike zone for Mahle so far.

Yeah
I think Mahle needs to get the higher end of the zone to be called for him to be more effective


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[ochoa30]

Nice job by Tyler to get out of that jam

[CaiGuy]

Scooter's numbers are falling back to earth because he is tired...sure Thom.

[Tom Servo]

Scooter's numbers are falling back to earth because he is tired...sure Thom.
better check him for diabetes

[Red Raindog]

Votto defense fail
Sigh


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[Tadasimha]

better check him for diabetes

Thom's too saccharine to have high blood sugar

[50YrRedsFan]

Mahle at about 60 pitches with 1 out in the 3rd.....not real sharp tonight.

[Tom Servo]

That was pretty badly done by Schebler.

[50YrRedsFan]

Mahle is about done

[CaiGuy]

Duvall would have had that...er wait.

[ochoa30]

That was pretty badly done by Schebler.

Dont remember his arm being so weak but some of his throws recently have been terrible

[Tom Servo]

5-0 Cleveland, Mahle getting kicked around pretty good now.

[Tadasimha]

Mahle at about 60 pitches with 1 out in the 3rd.....not real sharp tonight.

Going to be a short outing for him today - probably a good thing so they can keep it close

[CaiGuy]

Hoping for a repeat of yesterday at this point.

[50YrRedsFan]

Mahle is done

[CaiGuy]

Bring out the giant headsets.

[ochoa30]

Tough night for Mahle. It happens.

[CaiGuy]

Ugh, he was out.

[Billy_Bearcat]

Inconclusive if he actually touched him I guess

[NebraskaRed]

It's gonna happen from time to time. Hopefully Mahle can come back after the all-star break and put this one behind him.

[Red Raindog]

Time to make it rain

https://youtu.be/jBrrhaCKTgQ


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[CaiGuy]

Well, 2 outa 3 aint bad I guess.

[50YrRedsFan]

Joey having a bad 3rd inning.

[CaiGuy]

Rainy has had some bad luck...I hope they give him some time to prove himself. He's pretty good.

Edit- well, the walks aren't bad luck, but still.

[Tadasimha]

It's gonna happen from time to time. Hopefully Mahle can come back after the all-star break and put this one behind him.

Gotta learn the hard way that some games you just don't have it

[CaiGuy]

Rainy has had some bad luck...I hope they give him some time to prove himself. He's pretty good.

Edit- well, the walks aren't bad luck, but still.

Maybe I should retract this idea.

[NebraskaRed]

it is the inning that never ends

it just goes on and on, my friends

[ochoa30]

All the stuff, none of the control

[Rolando]

Maybe I should retract this idea.

Rainey is just plain awful

[50YrRedsFan]

OK...time to walk the dogs.

[BluegrassRedleg]

OK...time to walk the dogs.

Yep. Going for my walk, too.

[Rolando]

Bad pitching and awful defense my Votto and Schebler

[ochoa30]

Rainey is the perfect example of how big the gap is between AAA and the big leagues.

[CaiGuy]

LOL, I'm an idiot.

Bringing that run differential back towards the actual record.

[50YrRedsFan]

I guess this is payback for last night.

[Tom Servo]

lol yikes

I just think the Reds wildly overestimated Rainey’s readiness, even when people were howling to cut the Gallardos and roll with the kids.

[Rolando]

Rainey just lacks talent

[Tadasimha]

Welp - goonies never say die but i dont think they can comeback from 11

[ochoa30]

LOL, I'm an idiot.

Bringing that run differential back towards the actual record.

Not really. I thought the same thing but this dude just doesnt have the command nessecary to get big leaguers out. Hes gotten by on velocity in the minors and that doesnt fly in the bigs. Everyone throws hard.

[Sea Ray]

Rainey is just plain awful

Not much is impressive about him. A straight over the top fastball and a breaking ball that only occasionally breaks. Very little control. I want a guy with movement.

[Rolando]

lol yikes

I just think the Reds wildly overestimated Rainey’s readiness, even when people were howling to cut the Gallardos and roll with the kids.

He's non factor in the future hopefully

[NebraskaRed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iABFZGzEjY

[Tom Servo]

He's non factor in the future hopefully
I wouldn’t give up on that arm, but he clearly shouldn’t be counted on for anything at the big league level for the immediate future.

[reds44]

Feel like the only difference between Mahle and Castillo is Mahle’s been lucky and Castillo has been unlucky.

That’s bit a knock on Mahle really

[ochoa30]

Feel like the only difference between Mahle and Castillo is Mahle’s been lucky and Castillo has been unlucky.

That’s bit a knock on Mahle really

No, command in the strike zone is the difference between the two

[Rolando]

I wouldn’t give up on that arm, but he clearly shouldn’t be counted on for anything at the big league level for the immediate future.

Yeah 2020 at least. I'm not sure why the Reds rushed him

[reds44]

No, command in the strike zone is the difference between the two

Mahle is walking more guys

[WVRedsFan]

I'm just upset that they left young Rainey in to allow 4 runs of his own and 3 hits to give him a 19.29 ERA. That's crushing. The kid had nothing.

[ochoa30]

Mahle is walking more guys

That's why I said command in the strike zone. Mahle is better at limiting hard contact. He is better when runners get on base. Castillo clearly has better stuff but if I had to take one it would be Mahle because of his mentality and toughness. Also, I think his walks will come down dramatically as he gets more comfortable in the league. Hes walking way more batters then he ever has.

[Tom Servo]

I'm just upset that they left young Rainey in to allow 4 runs of his own and 3 hits to give him a 19.29 ERA. That's crushing. The kid had nothing.
I mean the problem is having him up in the first place, if he's in the bullpen you have to use him. But he wasn't ready in April and he's not ready now.

[Rolando]

I'm just upset that they left young Rainey in to allow 4 runs of his own and 3 hits to give him a 19.29 ERA. That's crushing. The kid had nothing.
He is going to go a bunch more innings so he better some outs

[WVRedsFan]

I mean the problem is having him up in the first place, if he's in the bullpen you have to use him. But he wasn't ready in April and he's not ready now.

True. Lots of throwing at the wall and seeing if it will stick, so to speak.

[reds44]

That's why I said command in the strike zone. Mahle is better at limiting hard contact. He is better when runners get on base. Castillo clearly has better stuff but if I had to take one it would be Mahle because of his mentality and toughness. Also, I think his walks will come down dramatically as he gets more comfortable in the league. Hes walking way more batters then he ever has.

So you’re saying he’s walking more guys but somehow when he’s not walking more guys he can locate his strikes better? I’m not sure that makes sense logically. If You’re walking more guys but are throwing better strikes, I would strike that up to luck.

I think they both have a bright future.

[WVRedsFan]

This game may be 20-0 if they continue to let Rainey pitch, as if it mattered. It's abuse in this case.

[CaiGuy]

That's why I said command in the strike zone. Mahle is better at limiting hard contact. He is better when runners get on base. Castillo clearly has better stuff but if I had to take one it would be Mahle because of his mentality and toughness. Also, I think his walks will come down dramatically as he gets more comfortable in the league. Hes walking way more batters then he ever has.

Almost all their peripherals are the same. I think their ERA's will converge as the year goes on...probably in the 4's somewhere. Hopefully the low 4's.

[ochoa30]

So you’re saying he’s walking more guys but somehow when he’s not walking more guys he can locate his strikes better? I’m not sure that makes sense logically. If You’re walking more guys but are throwing better strikes, I would strike that up to luck.

I think they both have a bright future.

I've watched every start for both guys. Mahle has better control. So what he has walked a few more this year. Hes trying to be too perfect but he isnt wild. Neither guy is but when barnhart or casali call for a pich in a certain spot mahle hits that spot way more often then Castillo does. I agree on them both having bright futures.

[NebraskaRed]

Tanner Rainey is taking quite a beating

[JustaFan]

remember the Reds traded a bullpen pitcher, who contributed and replaced him with Rainey who sat on the bench inactive and then not prepared for 2nd inning relief.

[WVRedsFan]

13-0. Rainey's ERA now at 21.86.

[ochoa30]

So which position player is getting the ball tonight? Lol

[reds44]

I've watched every start for both guys. Mahle has better control. So what he has walked a few more this year. Hes trying to be too perfect but he isnt wild. Neither guy is but when barnhart or casali call for a pich in a certain spot mahle hits that spot way more often then Castillo does. I agree on them both having bright futures.

We’ll have to agree to disagree because that makes no sense to me. I think you’re seeing what you want to see.

[NebraskaRed]

So which position player is getting the ball tonight? Lol

I predict Scooter will give up 2 hits, 1 walk, but no runs in 2 innings of relief tonight

[CaiGuy]

So which position player is getting the ball tonight? Lol

Might as well showcase Scooter to a possible trade partner as a potential 2 way player for them.

[ochoa30]

We’ll have to agree to disagree because that makes no sense to me. I think you’re seeing what you want to see.

No problem with that. It's a good discussion. Hope they both lead this rotation for a long time.

[WVRedsFan]

Come on, Riggleman. Rescue this kid.

[CaiGuy]

3 walks and 4 hits in .2 innings....is that good?

[klw]

So which position player is getting the ball tonight? Lol

The more interesting question may be : What are the odds Lorenzen plays Center before the game is over?

[Sea Ray]

13-0. Rainey's ERA now at 21.86.

We're not doing this kid any favors by leaving him out there. In fact we could ruin him like what happened to Cody Reed

[CaiGuy]

4 hits 7 ER

[Tom Servo]

Rainey's line tonight is insane lol

[WVRedsFan]

14-0, nobody out and Riggleman finally comes out. Pitiful. Kid will have a hard time un-seeing this for a long time.

[Rolando]

I know he is trying his best but that was embarrassing

[CaiGuy]

He comes in the score is 5-0, leaves and it's 14-0.

Still another runner he is responsible for.

[NebraskaRed]

14-0 in the 4th inning. When was the last time the Reds got a beating like this?

[CaiGuy]

14-0, nobody out and Riggleman finally comes out. Pitiful. Kid will have a hard time un-seeing this for a long time.

Rainey just got Priced.

['69]

In an act of mercy and compassion, Action Jackson now pitching. 20 RA is a distinct possibility.

[ochoa30]

In an act of mercy and compassion, Action Jackson now pitching. 20 RA is a possibility

I'd say it's more probable then possible

[WVRedsFan]

17-0

[Big Klu]

The more interesting question may be : What are the odds Lorenzen plays Center before the game is over?

I think it could happen.

[NebraskaRed]

17-0

[Tom Servo]

There are low leverage arms available who can be, you know, not horrific. Fernando Salas (https://www.baseball-reference.com/players/s/salasfe01.shtml) just got released for instance.

['69]

Holy smokes. 17-0

[CaiGuy]

I am with Thom for once. (ew...dirty)

3 hours and 45 minutes and there are still no outs in the 4th.

Just end this game.

[Donder]

I predict Scooter will give up 2 hits, 1 walk, but no runs in 2 innings of relief tonight

And gets hurt and is on the DL past the deadline.

[Red Raindog]

Glad I decided to take a quick ride in the boat

I missed a bunch of bad

Don't think I will rewind


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[CaiGuy]

It was bothering me that they were under-performing their pythag.

That's one less problem in life, I guess.

[WVRedsFan]

nobody out. now one. This is poor game management.

[NebraskaRed]

I wish I was there for this game. I bet I could walk out on the field and Riggleman would let me play.

[ochoa30]

End of the day as much as this sucks we won the series so suck it Cleveland

[Donder]

I’ll guess 24-2 final score.

[CaiGuy]

I’ll guess 24-2 final score.

Might score more than 2...Good game for Duvall to pad his RBI totals.

24-8 with 2 Duvall Slams.

The masses will be amazed at his RBI prowess.

[WVRedsFan]

I think I've now seen enough of Riggleman. Saving your bullpen is nice, but throwing out not ready players to make it embarrassing is tantamount to treason, in a baseball sense

[PuffyPig]

OK...time to walk the dogs.

Well, everyone else has walked, so should the dogs.

[Rolando]

End of the day as much as this sucks we won the series so suck it Cleveland

This is a 100 percent true. Still a good series go win the one in st Louis too.

[PuffyPig]

I think I've now seen enough of Riggleman. Saving your bullpen is nice, but throwing out not ready players to make it embarrassing is tantamount to treason, in a baseball sense

He has to use who's he's got. You want to see Garrett in already? Someone has to pitch.

[Rolando]

I think I've now seen enough of Riggleman. Saving your bullpen is nice, but throwing out not ready players to make it embarrassing is tantamount to treason, in a baseball sense

He is doing the right thing letting these 2 pitch in this game

[ochoa30]

Man that Votto error really opened the floodgates, lol

[WVRedsFan]

He is doing the right thing letting these 2 pitch in this game

I disagree, but what does it matter? I just don't like giving away runs just because it's easier. I'm too competitive to do that.

['69]

Marty just said "I bet Thom Brennaman is real happy" and he and Jim Day bust out laughing. Wonder what they were referring to.

[NebraskaRed]

seriously. if I walked out on the field with a glove and a jersey, I bet Riggleman would say "ok, let's see what this out of shape adult can do"

[Tom Servo]

Marty just said "I bet Thom Brennaman is real happy" and he and Jim Day bust out laughing. Wonder what they were referring to.
The length of the game (combined with the results), I imagine.

[Rolando]

I disagree, but what does it matter? I just don't like giving away runs just because it's easier. I'm too competitive to do that.

My only point is it's not Riggleman's fault they are on the team

[ochoa30]

seriously. if I walked out on the field with a glove and a jersey, I bet Riggleman would say "ok, let's see what this out of shape adult can do"

I really dont think you could do worse then Rainey

[NebraskaRed]

I really dont think you could do worse then Rainey

I'd like to try

[CaiGuy]

If you guys though last night's comeback was fun...

Nah, jk.

[WVRedsFan]

My only point is it's not Riggleman's fault they are on the teamVery true. Tom said that earlier and I agreed with it, but he had other options in my opinion. And letting it go on and on and on, and not even anyone warming up!

[Big Klu]

So according to THom, attendance is down and people aren't coming to the ballpark because guys are stepping out of the batter's box?

[ochoa30]

If you guys though last night's comeback was fun...

Nah, jk.

If we get into that bullpen anything could happen, lol

[NebraskaRed]

it begins

[Rolando]

Very true. Tom said that earlier and I agreed with it, but he had other options in my opinion. And letting it go on and on and on, and not even anyone warming up!

I see your point. At some point man up and get an out.

[Big Klu]

Marty just said "I bet Thom Brennaman is real happy" and he and Jim Day bust out laughing. Wonder what they were referring to.

THom: "This game is over TWO HOURS OLD and we are still only in the fourth inning! Holy Moses!"

[ochoa30]

So who's getting the call from Louisville for Rainey? No way they keep him up here

[Rolando]

So according to THom, attendance is down and people aren't coming to the ballpark because guys are stepping out of the batter's box?

I wish he step out of the of the tv booth window ha

- - - Updated - - -

Call up Brice and Wandy

[NebraskaRed]

C. Trent Rosecrans
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@ctrent

Curt Casali is in the game, replacing Tucker Barnhart. Adam Duvall is at 1B. Dilson Herrera is going to LF

['69]

So who's getting the call from Louisville for Rainey? No way they keep him up here

Homer could take his spot and role..(hides)

[BluegrassRedleg]

We gonna see a position player pitch tonight, and who's the top candidate?

[RiverRat13]

“There’s nothing that cleanses your soul like getting the hell kicked out of you"- Woody Hayes.

[NebraskaRed]

the Reds just need one grand slam per remaining innings to tie this baby up

[goreds2]

Who in the heck suggested Ironman92 to start this thread?? :D

[NebraskaRed]

Stats By STATS
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@StatsBySTATS

The Reds trailed the Indians, 17-0, after 4 innings. This is the third time in the live-ball era (since 1920) that an NL team trailed 17-0 or worse after 4 innings. In all 3 instances, the trailing team was the Reds.

7/14/1934 Phillies vs. Reds
5/21/1952 Dodgers vs Reds

[BluegrassRedleg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tk52nGxF-jc

[redsrule2500]

So according to THom, attendance is down and people aren't coming to the ballpark because guys are stepping out of the batter's box?

You very well know what he's saying, why are you attempting to ignore the implication?

He's saying that people aren't coming to the ballpark because of the length of games. This is also exactly what MLB itself is claiming and has tried to speed up games in the last few years through various rule changes.

I tend to agree with Thom and believe that this should have been investigated before any 2015-2018 rule changes! Leaving the batters box has been against the rules for decades and has been ignored -players are not allowed to completely leave the batter's box during an at-bat. I think this would have sped up games quite a bit more than intentional walks or mound visit changes.

[Tom Servo]

I tend to agree with Thom
yeah we know

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom just said the truest words he's ever muttered.

[WVRedsFan]

Football talk. Just what we need on a Reds broadcast.

[Big Klu]

You very well know what he's saying, why are you attempting to ignore the implication?

He's saying that people aren't coming to the ballpark because of the length of games. This is also exactly what MLB itself is claiming and has tried to speed up games in the last few years through various rule changes.

I tend to agree with Thom and believe that this should have been investigated before any 2015-2018 rule changes! Leaving the batters box has been against the rules for decades and has been ignored -players are not allowed to completely leave the batter's box during an at-bat. I think this would have sped up games quite a bit more than intentional walks or mound visit changes.

His implication is that he doesn't enjoy being at the ballpark, and he is for anything that will cut down on the length of games so that he doesn't have to endure it. I, on the other hand, enjoy every minute at the ballpark, and I don't mind the down time in the least.

[Big Klu]

Thom just said the truest words he's ever muttered.

My nephew said the same thing.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom's just spent the last 3 innings trying to find something to get into a stew about. :laugh:

[WVRedsFan]

What true words did Tom speak?

[ochoa30]

Tough first chance for Dilson

[Big Klu]

What true words did Tom speak?

He said that the Browns had only scored 17 vs. the Bengals one time in the last five or six games. Cowboy said, "What are you trying to say?" And THom said, "I don't know, and maybe it doesn't matter and people don't care."

[WVRedsFan]

Tough first chance for Dilson

I thought he was an infielder?

[ochoa30]

I thought he was an infielder?

He is but they are trying to increase his versatility

[Big Klu]

I thought he was an infielder?


He is but they are trying to increase his versatility

They had only three position players on the bench, and none of them were outfielders (or first basemen). So when Votto came out, Duvall went to 1B, and someone had to go to LF.

[WVRedsFan]

19-2, bases loaded, and only 1 out. Twenty is but a fly ball away. No. Double play. Challenge? Surely not

[WVRedsFan]

19-4. Winker HR

[BluegrassRedleg]

Blandino: It's not complicated.

[Mutaman]

Games are too long. It gets worse all the time. Stop all the foolishness and make them play.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Knuckleball for the K!!! :laugh:

[WVRedsFan]

Blandino hits 89 on the radar gun and has two outs.

[RedlegsFanatic]

From the highest of highs in the 9th last night.
To the lowest of lows today. Oh well. It's just 1 game.

On a different note, I'm so happy Votto was voted in by the players.
I thought Aguilar was very deserving and I'n glad he won the final vote. He deserved it.

Votto deserves it though, he should be a 9 time all star instead of a 6 time all star anyway. He's been snubbed 3 times, and twice badly.
He wasn't even an all star in his MVP year of 2010.

[Roy Tucker]

Shades of Paul Janish!!

[WVRedsFan]

90!!!. Best line of the night from Stanford Cardinal Alex Blandino!

1 IP 1 H 0 R 0 BB 2 SO

[Tom Servo]

hell yeah Stanford Cardinal baseball

[Tom Servo]

2 on with 1 out in the 9th, the comeback is on

[ochoa30]

Man, if dilson cant get around on 91 hes gonna have a bad time.

[WVRedsFan]

Game over 19-4

[ochoa30]

Just glad they didnt score 20. Thank god for Alex Blandino who is a way better pitcher then Tanner Rainey, lol.

[Tom Servo]

lol Rockies are beating the D'Backs 18-1 in the fourth inning in Denver

[Kinsm]

Stephens and Crockett - I haven't changed my opinion - they still suck.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Rockies have 18 on the D-backs thru 4 innings. We're off the hook!!! :lol:

[PuffyPig]

lol Rockies are beating the D'Backs 18-1 in the fourth inning in Denver

And the DB’s already brought in Delcalso to pitch in the 4th.

Even when we get our butts kicked, we aren’t the worse.


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[Ironman92]

Sorry guys. I think I am 7-5 on the season now.

[Big Klu]

On pace for 71-91.

[Umkubas]

July 6th, 2009 - the 40-40 Cincinnati Reds and their (8-4) pitcher, Johnny Cueto, allow 10 runs in the top of the 1st inning and lose 22-2 to the Philadelphia Phillies.

[redsmetz]

I'm guessing the Indians decided to tell us what they thought of our spectacular win the night before.

Thanks to the Diamondbacks for allowing us to have the better showing on a 19 run night for opposing teams.

And hat tip to Alex Blandino for having the team's lowest ERA, with two K's to boot (small sample size notwithstanding).

[cumberlandreds]

Well that was ugly. At least the Rockies matched the Indians with 19 of their own. So the Reds pitching isn't alone. Just not Mahle's night. You will have a couple of these throughout any season. Also looking at Rainey's line shows he is just not MLB ready. he has a nice 24.43 ERA. Send him down and bring the next man up. Or have Blandino be the long man out of the pen. Who knew Standford Cardinal baseball could pitch?

[Umkubas]

“Blandino wasn't the only position player to pitch in Major League Baseball on Wednesday night. Daniel Descalso and Alex Avila both pitched for the Arizona Diamondbacks in a 19-2 loss to the Colorado Rockies.

Coincidentally, Blandino and Descalso both attended St. Francis High School in Mountain View, Calif.

Descalso, however, did not fare as well as Blandino, allowing four hits, a walk and three earned runs while striking out one in 2 2/3 innings.”

GO SAINT FRANCIS LANCERS

[goreds2]

He said that the Browns had only scored 17 vs. the Bengals one time in the last five or six games. Cowboy said, "What are you trying to say?" And THom said, "I don't know, and maybe it doesn't matter and people don't care."

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