7/21/18 - Pirates at Reds

[Reds Fanatic]

Pittsburgh Pirates
Record: 49-49

LF Corey Dickerson (L)
CF Starling Marte (R)
RF Gregory Polanco (L)
C Elias Diaz (R)
3B Colin Moran (L)
1B Josh Bell (S)
2B Sean Rodriguez (R)
SS Jordy Mercer (R)
P Nick Kingham (R)

PIT: Nick Kingham (R) (4-4, 4.26)

Cincinnati Reds
Record: 43-54

SS Jose Peraza (R)
2B Scooter Gennett (L)
1B Joey Votto (L)
3B Eugenio Suarez (R)
RF Jesse Winker (L)
LF Adam Duvall (R)
C Curt Casali (R)
P A. DeSclafani (R)
CF Billy Hamilton (S)

CIN: Anthony DeSclafani (R) (4-2, 5.32)

[OhioRiverBarge]

Watching that induction and seeing them flash Votto’s name and stats ahead of so many of those guys in the red coats made me think about how crazy it’s going to be when Joey gets inducted.

[Tom Servo]

Yikes what's with all the empty seats on what's supposed to be a big night, the weather that bad?

[Powel Crosley]

Yikes what's with all the empty seats on what's supposed to be a big night, the weather that bad?

It's going to be raining on and off for the rest of the night. Should get the game in without any delays though.

[Tadasimha]

Line shot off Discos left leg or foot

Trainers out, couple of throws and hes staying in

[Ironman92]

Yikes what's with all the empty seats on what's supposed to be a big night, the weather that bad?

It’s not great

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[Ironman92]

Disco got smoked, nice play by Scooter

[Ironman92]

Nice throw by Duvall, good 2nd effort by Scooter to get him

[Ironman92]

Reds ought to work this guy over a bit

[Ironman92]

Scooter swinging at stuff like he lost a bet

[davereds24]

Can't believe fans are actually sticking this one out.

[KeefeCato]

Would be nice if they would have put a retractable roof. It is either blistering hot or raining half of the 81 games each season.

[Tadasimha]

Reds ought to work this guy over a bit

He doesnt look like he has much command to start

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Votto looks like he's using a kids bat

[Ironman92]

Scooter walks on 7 balls and a strike

Pitcher struggling with conditions....big boys need to mash

[The Operator]

Not sure why Joey swing at that.

Had the pitcher on the ropes.

[Ironman92]

Unbelievable Joey. Pitcher has thrown 3 actual strikes in 16 pitches andJoey weakly GIDP

[BluegrassRedleg]

I could see Votto as being very bothered by the elements. Anything that disrupts his calibration.


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[The Operator]

This is one inconsistent strike zone.

[Tom Servo]

Straight up in the air. Hit pretty well.

[BluegrassRedleg]

LMAO. “Straight up in the air.” Ball caught at base of wall in CF. [emoji23]


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[The Operator]

"Straight up in the air..."

Ball winds up at the warning track.




Reds get zip in the first despite Kingham looking terrible.

[Tadasimha]

Straight up on the air all the way to the warning track in center

[Ironman92]

I hate the Pirates. They were lucky last night (way before game was out of hand)

Now pitcher throws 7 actual strikes in 23 pitches and mowed down the top 2 guys you want hitting.

[Ironman92]

Straight up in the air. Hit pretty well.

2nd longest straight up in the air batted ball of 2018

[The Operator]

Are we really advocating for a more generous strike zone early in the count?


Just be consistent. Period.

[Ironman92]

Oh...Greg Gibson is a bad ump and seems to get teams all torn up

[KeefeCato]

Oh...Greg Gibson is a bad ump and seems to get teams all torn up

You could almost say that about every ump these days.

[The Operator]

Bell singles off Jose's glove.

[Red Raindog]

Bell singles off Jose's glove.

On 0-2 pitch



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[The Operator]

Disco looked very good in that inning.

[Tom Servo]

Very sharp looking stuff that inning.

[The Operator]

Reds really showing some patience that inning.

5 pitches, 3 outs

[Red Raindog]

Kingman made easy work of the Reds


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[Ironman92]

5 pitch inning

5.

Scooter fouled off 6 balls in his AB

Peraza walked

Votto + Duvall + Winker + Casali totaled 8 pitches and made 5 outs

[The Operator]

4 K's now for Disco

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5 pitch inning

5.

Scooter fouled off 6 balls in his AB

Peraza walked

Votto + Duvall + Winker + Casali totaled 8 pitches and made 5 outs

That Votto AB still sticks in my craw.


I love Joey but what was he doing there. Pitcher walks the first two batters and you swing at a 2-0 pitch that's low? Ugh

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HR Dickerson

1-0

[Tom Servo]

Lefty batter against Disco once again homers.

1-0 Bucs

[Tadasimha]

Pirates pitcher with the hardest hit ball so far


Until that one

[Ironman92]

You know I love when the pitcher throws it in the inner lower portion of the plate to a lefty [emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji122][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106][emoji106]

[Nasty_Boy]

Top of 2nd

Thom: If umpires opened up the strike zone, the game would move quicker and hitters would be more aggressive.


Top of 3rd

Thom: Can you believe the Reds went down with a 5 pitch inning? A 5 pitch inning... Give me a break.

[Tom Servo]

13th HR surrendered by Disco through 47 innings. That comes out to about 52 HRs in 200 innings.

[Ironman92]

Top of 2nd

Thom: If umpires opened up the strike zone, the game would move quicker and hitters would be more aggressive.


Top of 3rd

Thom: Can you believe the Reds went down with a 5 pitch inning? A 5 pitch inning... Give me a break.

[emoji850]

[Ironman92]

13th HR surrendered by Disco through 47 innings. That comes out to about 52 HRs in 200 innings.

Good for George Foster but not our pitcher

[Red Raindog]

13th HR surrendered by Disco through 47 innings. That comes out to about 52 HRs in 200 innings.

You make it sound like that’s a bad number
[emoji12]


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[The Operator]

13th HR surrendered by Disco through 47 innings. That comes out to about 52 HRs in 200 innings.

Is that bad?

[Ironman92]

Jose Karma

[The Operator]

Jose Havoc aboard with a double.


I love this new version of Peraza.

[Tom Servo]

Jose Havoc aboard with a double.


I love this new version of Peraza.
He's no Cliff Pennington.

[The Operator]

He's no Cliff Pennington.

Chad? What ever happened to that guy...

[WrongVerb]

13th HR surrendered by Disco through 47 innings. That comes out to about 52 HRs in 200 innings.

The fly balls he's been giving up are very disconcerting.

[The Operator]

And another lefty doubles off Disco

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The fly balls he's been giving up are very disconcerting.

There's little doubt in my mind that "Disco is finally healthy!" will be the rally cry of the Front Office this winter when justifying not doing anything significant to upgrade the staff.

Hope I'm wrong.

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Runner advances to third on the grounder.

Surprisingly no "he did his job" comment.

[Kc61]

Jose Havoc aboard with a double.


I love this new version of Peraza.

You mean the post-age 23 version of Peraza.

[The Operator]

Disco walks Moran.

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You mean the post-age 23 version of Peraza.

I mean the version who doesn't swing at every pitch within 6 miles of the strike zone.

[Tom Servo]

There's little doubt in my mind that "Disco is finally healthy!" will be the rally cry of the Front Office this winter when justifying not doing anything significant to upgrade the staff.

I've talked about it in the ORG but more and more that stuff seems like Castellini lines. I mean, we heard it from him directly back in 2007 about "we just have to get Guardado and Bray back".

[The Operator]

Another lefty drives a run in on Disco


2-0

[Tom Servo]

I'm starting to think the Reds aren't going to make the playoffs.

[Ironman92]

Lol, gave Suarez all the credit. Joey made a heckuva scoop

[Tadasimha]

I'm starting to think the Reds aren't going to make the playoffs.

Just the second game after the AS break - they got time to right the ship! ;)

[KeefeCato]

I'm starting to think the Reds aren't going to make the playoffs.

With this pitching staff it is going to be a long long time.

[The Operator]

I've talked about it in the ORG but more and more that stuff seems like Castellini lines. I mean, we heard it from him directly back in 2007 about "we just have to get Guardado and Bray back".

Wouldn't surprise me a bit, especially after that very telling interview with Cast where it was basically "I call the shots and unless there's strong opposition we do what I want" combined with "I don't care, it's BS" in response to the fans being upset with his product.


Mr. Castellini and also the Williams family can leave any time now and I'll be just fine.

[CaiGuy]

I'm starting to think the Reds aren't going to make the playoffs.

Don't tell us how to think, you enjoyment policer.

[Ironman92]

I'm starting to think the Reds aren't going to make the playoffs.

Jim Mora voice in my head

[The Operator]

Oh good another rain delay

[The Operator]

Dave Bristol says "Cincinnati is lucky to have an owner like Bob Castellini!"


Ya haven't been paying attention, Dave.

[Ironman92]

Dave Bristol says "Cincinnati is lucky to have an owner like Bob Castellini!"


Ya haven't been paying attention, Dave.

He’s 85 and Castellini is great to the former guys

[The Operator]

He’s 85 and Castellini is great to the former guys

And I appreciate that kind of stuff. I'm pretty sentimental.

But the more and more time passes by, the less pleased I am with this ownership group.

[Kc61]

Wouldn't surprise me a bit, especially after that very telling interview with Cast where it was basically "I call the shots and unless there's strong opposition we do what I want" combined with "I don't care, it's BS" in response to the fans being upset with his product.


Mr. Castellini and also the Williams family can leave any time now and I'll be just fine.

There have been a number of moves that ownership may have dictated. A fair number, and some have worked out poorly.

But I see no reason to believe ownership is going to protect Disco.

Bailey, there are $30 plus million reasons to try and get some value out of him. But Disco, my guess is he’ll be moved this off-season.

[CaiGuy]

He’s 85 and Castellini is great to the former guys

Not to be a jerk, but why on earth is Bristol in the Reds HoF??

[Ironman92]

Not to be a jerk, but why on earth is Bristol in the Reds HoF??

Minor league manager helped develop Rose, Perez and others. More for his long long tenure with Reds than anything it sounds.

[Ironman92]

Dunn’s oldest son is only 11? Holy crap...he is a big big one

[CaiGuy]

Minor league manager helped develop Rose, Perez and others. More for his long long tenure with Reds than anything it sounds.

Ah, OK, I was just looking at his time as the major league manager. (3+ years of nothing special)

[Ironman92]

That Johnny Bench story was awesome lol

[Ironman92]

9:00 start

[The Operator]

There have been a number of moves that ownership may have dictated. A fair number, and some have worked out poorly.

But I see no reason to believe ownership is going to protect Disco.

Bailey, there are $30 plus million reasons to try and get some value out of him. But Disco, my guess is he’ll be moved this off-season.

I'm not even talking about Disco alone.


I'm just afraid we'll see another offseason where it's "Well Disco is healthy again and we really believe in these young guys, I mean there may not be enough innings to go around!"

And we'll have another rotation full of question marks.

[Ironman92]

Dunn is so funny.

[The Operator]

I love that Jose Rijo is just sitting there with his cigar during the press conference.

[The Operator]

Baseball begins again!

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I just knew the TV guys were gonna eat up those quotes from Ron Oester.

[CaiGuy]

LOL, more cursing with all of the ol' timers around than I ever heard on FSO.

Feel like its just a chance to bash on "this generation" and their lazy ways playing baseball...as I am sure the generation before did to them. :laugh:

[CaiGuy]

nm

[The Operator]

Joey strikes out

[Ironman92]

Crazy strikeout pitch to Votto

Sometimes you just have to tip your cap

[Ironman92]

Back to the game guys [emoji120]

[The Operator]

Da Wink!

A base hit

[Ironman92]

That was good protecting the plate by Winker...it’s not pretty but all you can do with 2 strikes and that pitch

[Tadasimha]

Time to undo the curse of the torti - park one, Adam

[Ironman92]

Duvall hits it pretty much straight up in the air but apparently it was 150 feet short of qualifying

[The Operator]

Good lord Disco

3-0 Dickerson HR

[Ironman92]

Someone tell me the location of the pitch that Dickerson murdered

I can’t.

[CaiGuy]

I think...the Reds are bad again.

[The Operator]

All she wrote for Disco

[Kc61]

I think...the Reds are bad again.

Probably for the best, higher draft choice.

Still think adding two solid starters and a CFer and the team can be over .500 next season.

[Tadasimha]

Huh? Disco cuts the next guy down easy and gets pulled

[Kc61]

Huh? Disco cuts the next guy down easy and gets pulled

Didn’t want him to face the lefty.

[Ironman92]

Does it have to be British Open weather here too?

[The Operator]

Probably for the best, higher draft choice.
I'm so sick of rooting for draft picks.


Still think adding two solid starters and a CFer and the team can be over .500 next season.
Chances of that actually happening are... remote.


I'm sure they'll be busy keeping an eye on the trade market they aren't participating in and checking in on that new team in Greenville. I bet they won't sleep all offseason.


Asking them to actually add to the team is a little much. Especially when there will be arbitration raises.

[Kc61]

I'm so sick of rooting for draft picks.


Chances of that actually happening are... remote.


I'm sure they'll be busy keeping an eye on the trade market they aren't participating in and checking in on that new team in Greenville. I bet they won't sleep all offseason.


Asking them to actually add to the team is a little much. Especially when there will be arbitration raises.

We’ll see, losing perpetually doesn’t sound like a real good business plan to me. At some point they have to wake up, but we’ll see maybe you’re right.

[InsaneinthBrame]

Probably for the best, higher draft choice.

Still think adding two solid starters and a CFer and the team can be over .500 next season.

The Cfer would have to be able to pitch. Because we have an excellent CFer right now.

[Ironman92]

Was that Peraza?

[The Operator]

We’ll see, losing perpetually doesn’t sound like a real good business plan to me. At some point they have to wake up, but we’ll see maybe you’re right.
I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to be.


But Bailey's still on the books and Disco isn't dead so I wouldn't be shocked to see them do absolutely nothing. They've done it three years in a row now. "Not enough innings to go around."

[Kc61]

The Cfer would have to be able to pitch. Because we have an excellent CFer right now.

The CFer I’m positing would have to be able to HIT.

But even if Hamilton stays next year, Reds will need another CFer. Too many corner guys, need another CF guy, even a good part timer.

[The Operator]

Was that Peraza?

I thought the same thing but must have been Casali.

[Kc61]

I hope I'm wrong. I'd love to be.


But Bailey's still on the books and Disco isn't dead so I wouldn't be shocked to see them do absolutely nothing. They've done it three years in a row now. "Not enough innings to go around."

Dick Williams is singing a different tune these days. He’s talking about adding. I’ll undoubtedly think therir moves are too little, but I do think they will add one pretty good starting pitcher.

[The Operator]

What on earth was Thom just talking about "the stars aligning" as they cut to commercial?

That was beyond weird.

[The Operator]

Adam Dunn just referred to his younger self as "a turd, punk kid".


Man I miss that guy. I respect people who are willing to rip on themselves a little bit.

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"The Brewers, they never get rained out. Not with that dome."

[The Operator]

Boy this game is going into the crapper.

5-0

[Tadasimha]

Hit it where they aint

[CaiGuy]

Should have just rescheduled the whole series. This stinketh.

[RedTeamGo!]

We’re bad again?

[ochoa30]

We’re bad again?

They were on a hot streak. It was funny to me that people thought it would continue all year. They're still not a very good team and I hope Dick William's and company understand that and make some moves this deadline.

[Ironman92]

Lorenzen can’t wait until this game is over so he can workout.

[Mutaman]

Makes me nostalgic for Bryan-- team coming out of the break not ready to play.

[Ironman92]

The 2018 Reds go as the weather goes

[The Operator]

2 pitches 2 outs

[BluegrassRedleg]

Hate to see them cool off, but if this helps end these thoughts of being a "buyer" at the deadline or keeping trade assets, so be it.

[Rolando]

Dick Williams is singing a different tune these days. He’s talking about adding. I’ll undoubtedly think therir moves are too little, but I do think they will add one pretty good starting pitcher.

They need about 3 good starting pitchers because right now not one of them is even average.

[Tadasimha]

Making him work hard this inning - oy

[Ironman92]

YOUR 2018 Cincinnati Reds All-Stars!!!

['69]

Lorenzen can’t wait until this game is over so he can workout.

I've wondered how he times his workouts during the season to not interfere with his outings.

Wow, Reds out in the bottom of the 6th in five minutes..

[RedTeamGo!]

They were on a hot streak. It was funny to me that people thought it would continue all year. They're still not a very good team and I hope Dick William's and company understand that and make some moves this deadline.

I know and agree about Dick at the deadline

[The Operator]

The run was fun while it lasted.


Let's hope, if they are indeed regressing to what they are, that this turns the fire back up on Dick Williams.

[Rolando]

The one good thing about the losing too is they move on from Riggleman and this coaching staff.

[RedTeamGo!]

They need about 3 good starting pitchers because right now not one of them is even average.


I think Mahle is pretty clearly solid. Not his fault he had to pitch after a 3 hour rain delay last night and it inflated his ERA. There’s no reason last night shouldn’t have been postponed.

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The one good thing about the losing too is they move on from Riggleman and this coaching staff.

Lol, I am not sold on Riggs, but it’s 1.5 games after the break, dude. Step back from the ledge.

['69]

Wonder what the W-L split is with Homer on the 25 man.

[Ironman92]

I've wondered how he times his workouts during the season to not interfere with his outings.

Wow, Reds out in the bottom of the 6th in five minutes..

Zero doubt he is working out everyday ...just like Votto hits off of a tee everyday

[The Operator]

I think Mahle is pretty clearly solid. Not his fault he had to pitch after a 3 hour rain delay last night and it inflated his ERA. There’s no reason last night shouldn’t have been postponed.

Yep I'll count Mahle as solid.

So that leave 4 slots open next year because I'm not sold on anyone else, not even my main man Luis Castillo. The noticeable drop in velocity has me extremely worried even more than the 5.50ish ERA.


This team needs more than one solid starting pitcher added.

['69]

Cowboy just mentioned the Reds look like they have no energy. Which is how this game is being called, lol.

[Rolando]

Yep I'll count Mahle as solid.

So that leave 4 slots open next year because I'm not sold on anyone else, not even my main man Luis Castillo. The noticeable drop in velocity has me extremely worried even more than the 5.50ish ERA.


This team needs more than one solid starting pitcher added.

Yep and even if Castillo is ok that's 3 spots that need to be filled.

[InsaneinthBrame]

Hamiton's inability to hit is overblown. He brings way more value with his glove, arm and legs than his inability to hit for power. His OBP is slightly below average

His defensive is more needed in a park like GABP if you are going to have Winker play in the outfield. Every out missed is magnified in GABP because of the amount of HRs

There are plenty of back up Cfers you can use Ervin and Schebler to name 2. After next year you should have Tramell ready so there is no need for a CF

[The Operator]

Winker with another single

[InsaneinthBrame]

Yep and even if Castillo is ok that's 3 spots that need to be filled.

You know Bailey is filling one of those spots if we like it or not

[Roy Tucker]

Being a pro means getting yourself competitive on the second crappy night in a row. It’s not easy but you have to.

Reds are flatter than a pancake. They have the ability to do that.

[Tom Servo]

Hamiton's inability to hit is overblown. He brings way more value with his glove, arm and legs than his inability to hit for power. His OBP is slightly below average

His defensive is more needed in a park like GABP if you are going to have Winker play in the outfield. Every out missed is magnified in GABP because of the amount of HRs

There are plenty of back up Cfers you can use Ervin and Schebler to name 2. After next year you should have Tramell ready so there is no need for a CF
He can't hit.

Speaking of which, Duvall back below the Mendoza Line.

[BluegrassRedleg]

They need about 3 good starting pitchers because right now not one of them is even average.

Yep. And this organization is in deep trouble if he doesn't realize it. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until he proves otherwise.

[The Operator]

Casali!!!

5-2

[Tom Servo]

Casali! :jump:

[Tadasimha]

Lightshow!

Curt "Duvall" Casalli with a two run jack

[The Operator]

Oh come on that's a home run

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That's all for Kingham


To the Pirates bullpen we go

[50YrRedsFan]

It's obvious the Reds offense has not returned from the All Star break.

[The Operator]

Ervin with a hit now


Are they waking up?

[Ironman92]

This is better but Buccos far from done scoring

[Tadasimha]

Bronson Arroyo in the stands

[Ironman92]

Bronson Arroyo in the stands

His wife looks like she could be our Front Row Amy

[The Operator]

Oh Billy

Dude that was a strike all day. How can you argue that?

[InsaneinthBrame]

He can't hit.

Speaking of which, Duvall back below the Mendoza Line.

Please define can not hit. Or what is acceptable?

[Tadasimha]

Umpire is bad and Billy working on some Votto-esque "colorful metaphors"

[The Operator]

Jose Havoc lines out to third.

Welp. Got two back I guess.

[Tom Servo]

Please define can not hit. Or what is acceptable?
He turns 28 in September and he's a career .245/.299/.331, and is actually getting WORSE. His 2016 was acceptable, but there's no real indication he can get back to that. So because he can't hit he therefore should not be an every day player in Major League Baseball.

[Ironman92]

Sick of the crap hits by the Pirates

['69]

Yeah, today's players don't know how to bunt.

[KronoRed]

He can't hit.

Speaking of which, Duvall back below the Mendoza Line.

100 RBI's:cool:

[Tadasimha]

Great scoop and tag by Casali!

[Roy Tucker]

Sweet scoop and tag by Casilli

[RedTeamGo!]

Have yourself a game, Casali

[Ironman92]

Looks like a Bryan Price team.

Awful

[RedTeamGo!]

He turns 28 in September and he's a career .245/.299/.331, and is actually getting WORSE. His 2016 was acceptable, but there's no real indication he can get back to that. So because he can't hit he therefore should not be an every day player in Major League Baseball.

It amazes me there is not a consensus understanding that Hamilton is a bad hitter yet.

I saw some dude on twitter non-ironically say Hamilton is the “most exciting player in baseball” the other day. Astounding.

[Ironman92]

It amazes me there is not a consensus understanding that Hamilton is a bad hitter yet.

I saw some dude on twitter non-ironically say Hamilton is the “most exciting player in baseball” the other day. Astounding.

People have opinions. He does a lot of exciting stuff.

[RedTeamGo!]

People have opinions. He does a lot of exciting stuff.

Yes, but perhaps the greatest baseball player in history is playing right now. So, ya know.

[Mutaman]

Reminded of Bryan's 2014 team that went into the break 7 games over 500 and then proceeded to lose their first 7 games looking like they were suffering from a major hangover.

[Tom Servo]

Our All-Star boys looking like they're still on break tonight.

[Ironman92]

Yes, but perhaps the greatest baseball player in history is playing right now. So, ya know.

And how much does the average Reds fan get to see Mr. Trout? I’m tuned in and enjoy watch every game on....but not sure I get to see 25 Trout at bats a season. His 9 hits, 2 HR, 2 2B, SB and a good OF play may not put him over Billy on a Reds fans list that sees him steal 50, 6 triples, 10 shake your head base running plays and numerous highlights in CF.

[Ironman92]

Reminded of Bryan's 2014 team that went into the break 7 games over 500 and then proceeded to lose their first 7 games looking like they were suffering from a major hangover.

Hoping it’s more of a 3 game streak like when Riggleman took over

[Tracy Jones]

Fabulous call by Thom on that one out pop up in the 4th.

[Ironman92]

Would like to see them make it interesting...but probably 1-2-3

[Tracy Jones]

Hoping it’s more of a 3 game streak like when Riggleman took over

The state of the Reds right now is if they don’t hit, they have no chance to win. They’re not going to win many 2-1 ballgames.

[InsaneinthBrame]

He turns 28 in September and he's a career .245/.299/.331, and is actually getting WORSE. His 2016 was acceptable, but there's no real indication he can get back to that. So because he can't hit he therefore should not be an every day player in Major League Baseball.
You do realize that it is only 7 hit between him being acceptable as a hitter and not according to your definition.
With 7 hits more his line is .250/.327/.337 (.664 ops) vs 2016 .261/.321/.343 (.663 ops)
His walk percentage is up from 7% to 10% and his iso is up slightly

It would be nice if he hit better but the team does not need that. It needs his defense and base running ability this is what makes him a 2.6 war player(per 162g) and I think war under value both of these aspects.

[Ironman92]

Ouch.

[RedTeamGo!]

oh man that looked painful

[Ironman92]

Game ending DP seems likely

[Roy Tucker]

Funny how these things happen with the Pirates.

[Tracy Jones]

Alex Cobb has a real shot at losing 20 this year

[Ironman92]

Billy no chance here lol

[50YrRedsFan]

Schebler, Blandino, Casali....a bad week.

[Ironman92]

Alex Cobb has a real shot at losing 20 this year

Losses don’t matter

[50YrRedsFan]

oh man that looked painful

sounded worse.

[Tom Servo]

You do realize that it is only 7 hit between him being acceptable as a hitter and not according to your definition.
With 7 hits more his line is .250/.327/.337 (.664 ops) vs 2016 .261/.321/.343 (.663 ops)
His walk percentage is up from 7% to 10% and his iso is up slightly

It would be nice if he hit better but the team does not need that. It needs his defense and base running ability this is what makes him a 2.6 war player(per 162g) and I think war under value both of these aspects.
If my aunt had wheels she'd be a wagon.

Billy stinks at hitting. Reds lose.

[RedlegsFanatic]

A couple of miserable nights of baseball so far this 2nd half. Both the weather and from the Redlegs.

A great example of how much the MLB Draft is a roll of the dice....
When the White Sox drafted Chris Sale, the very next pick belonged to the Brewers. They selected Dylan Covey who is pitching tonight vs the Mariners.

['69]

Funny how these things happen with the Pirates.

Doesn't it though.

[Tracy Jones]

Losses don’t matter

No, but still. I don’t think it’s been done since the 90’s?

[Ironman92]

No, but still. I don’t think it’s been done since the 90’s?

Never lost 20 but I like that Anthony Young dude

['69]

No, but still. I don’t think it’s been done since the 90’s?

"In 2003, Maroth lost 21 games for the Tigers—the first pitcher to lose 20 or more games in a season since Brian Kingman lost 20 for the Oakland Athletics in 1980. However, he led the Tigers in wins (9) and win-loss percentage (.300) while the team set the American League record of 119 games lost (43–119)."

[Tracy Jones]

Never lost 20 but I like that Anthony Young dude

Yeah. I don’t think he lost 20 in a single season but didn’t he lose something like 26 straight decisions?

[Ironman92]

In 2003, Maroth lost 21 games for the Tigers—the first pitcher to lose 20 or more games in a season since Brian Kingman lost 20 for the Oakland Athletics in 1980. However, he led the Tigers in wins (9) and win-loss percentage (.300) while the team set the American League record of 119 games lost (43–119).

Anthony Young went back to back years of 2-14 and 1-16

15-48 for his career but baseball reference WAR is career 1.3

[Tracy Jones]

"In 2003, Maroth lost 21 games for the Tigers—the first pitcher to lose 20 or more games in a season since Brian Kingman lost 20 for the Oakland Athletics in 1980. However, he led the Tigers in wins (9) and win-loss percentage (.300) while the team set the American League record of 119 games lost (43–119)."

That’s right! I forgot about that Tigers team. I knew they had a 20 game loser but I thought it was Jeremy Bonderman

[Kc61]

Pirates have been a hot team with good starting pitching of late, Reds fans should not react too strongly to these two games.

Now, they were horrendous games, bad play, injuries, weather, but only two games.

[Burt Gummer]

He turns 28 in September and he's a career .245/.299/.331, and is actually getting WORSE. His 2016 was acceptable, but there's no real indication he can get back to that. So because he can't hit he therefore should not be an every day player in Major League Baseball.
Unfortunately there are no better options for cf right now.