8.15.18 Cleveland @ Reds

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Lance McAlister

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From listener Jeff:
Joey Votto:
Apr 24 - Apr 27:
4 Games, 4 HR, SLG 1.250
Rest of Season:
113 Games, 5 HR, SLG .389
#Reds

[WrongVerb]

Cincinnati Reds
@Reds

In 21 games since being recalled from Triple-A on July 20, OF Phillip Ervin is 20-for-56 (.357/.400/.589) with 5 2B, 2 HR, 13 RBI and 9 R. #Reds
9:45pm · 15 Aug 2018

[klw]

I quickly looked at the lineup and thought how is Barnhart playing both LF and Catcher

[kaldaniels]

Could tonight be the night Robert Stephenson grows up?

[Alabama]

There had to be a misunderstanding with the FO and Riggleman when they brought Dilson up. This is just appalling. He needs to be getting ABs somewhere

[GADawg]

I quickly looked at the lineup and thought how is Barnhart playing both LF and Catcher

I know "we're" a little outfield challenged at the moment but I'm not sure why Prestin Tucker is getting starts....maybe it doesn't matter but is he really on the radar for next season and/or beyond?

[Flair4Horsemen]

There had to be a misunderstanding with the FO and Riggleman when they brought Dilson up. This is just appalling. He needs to be getting ABs somewhere

The FO can tell Riggleman anytime that he has to play Dilson.

[klw]

Half of Stephenson's 4 pitches have been balls- bust. Never learns

[BluegrassRedleg]

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[JaxRed]

Is he going to walk the first hitter?

Edit: Yes...

[klw]

Walks lindor to open the game. Hopefully that's it.

[JaxRed]

I never noticed the OCD-like nature of Stephenson till Thom mentioned it.

Peraza missed a catchable line drive.

[klw]

Gameday shows all the borderline strikes being called balls. Reputation for wildness can't help with those.

Also he has not thrown an offspeed pitch or slider for a strike yet. That does not bode well.

[kaldaniels]

Gameday shows all the borderline strikes being called balls. Reputation for wildness can't help with those.

Nah. Clear balls.

[JaxRed]

Ramirez flied deep to CF. Alonso up next. Yonder k's on 3-2 pitch. Looked like offspeed pitch he was ahead of. Melky chades one out of strike zone to end inning.

No runs, and it was extended by Peraza not coming up with catchable ball, but that was 26 pitches in the first.

[klw]

Nah. Clear balls.

Gameday must be rooting for him. Does it not know to be angry?

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Nice recovery to k alonso

[kaldaniels]

Seems to be able to locate offspeed better than his heater.

[klw]

Nice recovery to get out of the inning unscathed. He is like a rocket out there, a true steam engine!

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Seems to be able to locate offspeed better than his heater.

This was one of the adjustments that he supposedly made in the minors- he started to work off the slider and off speed stuff and then add the FB in instead of the other way around.

[JaxRed]

Peraza lines one to RF gap for a leadoff double.

[WrongVerb]

Nah. Clear balls.

Family board!

[mhs95_06]

Reds get the runner from 2nd to 3rd on the first out, something Cleveland didn't do.

[JaxRed]

Votto flies out to deep CF and Peraza advances (barely). He ended up with knot on shin. Suarez (who's cooled a bit) is up.

Edit: Chases one in the ground for strike 3.

Scooter lines a single to drive in Peraza. Tucker (last name) up.

[mhs95_06]

Reds get the runner from 2nd to 3rd on the first out, something Cleveland didn't do.

And Suarez fails to get him in, not needing a hit.

[Red Raindog]

Scooter magic


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[mhs95_06]

Gennett picks up Suarez to take the lead!

[CaiGuy]

Incredibly thin crowd for a CLE series.

I wanted to get down there but...life.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Tucker doing some yardwork. 3-0 good guys.

[Red Raindog]

Tucker not Barnhart with the long ball


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[JaxRed]

Tucker goes yard. Good to see him starting to produce.

[Red Raindog]

Tucker yes Barnhart with a double


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[JaxRed]

Stephenson walks first hitter on 4 pitches. And then wild pitches runner to 2nd.

Edit: Next guy singles up the middle and we are 3-1.

I hope Reed is the long man tonight... 35 pitches.

[Red Raindog]

Not much respect shown for Tucker the OF arm


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[JaxRed]

Not much respect shown for Tucker the OF arm


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With good reason. He did not get himself in position to throw when he could have.

[Red Raindog]

Now walk the pitcher

I truly have seen enough of Robert


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[JCM11]

This is sickening to watch.

[Tom Servo]

come on man you can't keep walking pitchers

[BluegrassRedleg]

8 BBs (2 to pitchers) and 2 WP in 5.1

:clap:

[JaxRed]

4 pitch walk to pitcher. I would have Reed up right now.

[Alabama]

Told y’all last start. Dude is trash. Zero command and scared to death out there

[JaxRed]

4 pitch walk to pitcher. I would have Reed up right now.

Riggleman got my memo.

[CaiGuy]

3rd walk of the game...again to a pitcher.

It's still not enough to throw in the towel on RS, but man is this frustrating.

Don't know if it's on him, the coaching, or both. But something needs to change.

[JCM11]

If home plate were 45 feet away Stephenson would have a good breaking ball.

[CaiGuy]

Told y’all last start. Dude is trash. Zero command and scared to death out there

He predicted bad pitching for a Reds starter.

Pin the blue ribbon upon his chest.

[JaxRed]

Told y’all last start. Dude is trash. Zero command and scared to death out there

Not acceptable to call players trash just because you don't like their performance.

[Rantly]

Gets Lindor finally throwing only breaking pitches because he has no idea where fastball is going.

[JaxRed]

Stephenson us up first in next inning? PInch hit for him and let Reed take over?

[JCM11]

Sad

[Tom Servo]

Stephenson us up first in next inning? PInch hit for him and let Reed take over?
Yeah I'd call it a night.

[Red Raindog]

57 pitches and Robert is history


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[JaxRed]

Stephenson us up first in next inning? PInch hit for him and let Reed take over?

Edit:..... never mind....

[Tracy Jones]

3rd walk of the game...again to a pitcher.

It's still not enough to throw in the towel on RS, but man is this frustrating.

Don't know if it's on him, the coaching, or both. But something needs to change.

No it’s enough.


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[BluegrassRedleg]

Same ol' Bob Steve.

[JaxRed]

Excited to see what Reed can do. It's like a tandem start.

[ochoa30]

I was all aboard the Stephenson deserved a shot train but the guy just doesnt have it. Clearly mental. I'd be fine if they straight released him at this point. Send a message to the other pitchers that this kind of performance won't be tolerated. Cant imagine any other job where someone could perform this poorly and still be employed. Ugh.

[davereds24]

What a massive disappointment. Glad to see Reed get a good look here though.

[Tracy Jones]

I was all aboard the Stephenson deserved a shot train but the guy just doesnt have it. Clearly mental. I'd be fine if they straight released him at this point. Send a message to the other pitchers that this kind of performance won't be tolerated. Cant imagine any other job where someone could perform this poorly and still be employed. Ugh.

Government

[JaxRed]

I was all aboard the Stephenson deserved a shot train but the guy just doesnt have it. Clearly mental. I'd be fine if they straight released him at this point. Send a message to the other pitchers that this kind of performance won't be tolerated. Cant imagine any other job where someone could perform this poorly and still be employed. Ugh.

We're playing exhibition games. I keep giving him shots. (although my leash would be short each game).

[JaxRed]

I would have flipped out if they had pinch hit for Reed...

[Tracy Jones]

I would have flipped out if they had pinch hit for Reed...

Why? It’s an exhibition game

[WrongVerb]

Government

Hey now, I work for the government and...um...yeah, never mind. Carry on. :D

[JaxRed]

Why? It’s an exhibition game

Riggleman needs to exhibit managerial skills....

[Tracy Jones]

Hey now, I work for the government and...um...yeah, never mind. Carry on. :D

Lol hey it’s a good gig if you can get it!

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Riggleman needs to exhibit managerial skills....

Yeah I wouldn’t hold my breath on that one...

[JaxRed]

Billy doubles and gets to 2nd on passed ball/wild pitch, but Votto flies lazily to strand him. It doesn't feel like it..... but we are ahead 3-2.

['69]

We're playing exhibition games. I keep giving him shots. (although my leash would be short each game).

If they are just exhibition games, why a short leash?

[Tom Servo]

yesiree

[JaxRed]

If they are just exhibition games, why a short leash?

You give the guy a chance. If he isn't doing the job, get him out of there, and he gets a chance next time.

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Reed has easy inning.......

It's the glasses.

[Rolando]

Good job Cody keep pumping strikes

[Tracy Jones]

That was a nice inning there by the Code Man

[JaxRed]

Reed ERA below 4.00 !!

[Rolando]

Reed ERA below 4.00 !!

Don't jinx it!! :)

[RED VAN HOT]

It must be mental for Stephenson. If he were throwing this badly in AAA, he could not have compiled good numbers. In fact, he would have been under water in rookie leagues.

[BluegrassRedleg]

MLB umpiring is bad.

[Rolando]

MLB umpiring is bad.
Amen that was horrible

[Roy Tucker]

Way to go, kid.

[Tom Servo]

please stop with this

[NC Reds]

Thom has swapped up his meds.

[JaxRed]

Great Reds fan.... takes ball away from Tribe...

[Tom Servo]

Other baseball team announcers don't act like this

[Jerry Narron]

Thom needs to stop going after that poor kid. Enough already.

[CaiGuy]

please stop with this

Smmmiiiillllle, Servo, SMIIIILLLEE!!!!!

[Mutaman]

But something needs to change.

I'm all for that. I vote to start with Dick Williams.

[marcshoe]

Reed's a different pitcher since he cut off his rat-tail.

:alien:

[Tom Servo]

I'm a truther on this sporting glasses thing, the goggles were holding him back.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGoDyGchJgGrAwE/giphy.gif

[JCM11]

Reed is looking good out there.

[JaxRed]

I can assure you the clock in minor league baseball is totally ignored.

[marcshoe]

Other baseball team announcers don't act like this

Neither do other grown-ups. Thom sounds like a junior high bully.

[Rolando]

I'm a truther on this sporting glasses thing, the goggles were holding him back.

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Wasn't that the night they fogged up and he couldn't see?

[Roy Tucker]

Reed with a nice stretch of pitching. Maybe it’s the new goggles.

[JaxRed]

Get Stephenson some of those new super glasses that Reed has.....

[kaldaniels]

Neither do other grown-ups. Thom sounds like a junior high bully.



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[CaiGuy]

I'm a truther on this sporting glasses thing, the goggles were holding him back.

https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGoDyGchJgGrAwE/giphy.gif

Who's in charge of Opticianry? Reassign them as well.

[JaxRed]

Why has Reed been throwing the ball inside that white square over home plate? Is that allowed?

[kaldaniels]

That Schebler bobblehead really looks like him.

Don’t know if that speaks to the artist or to Schebler’s bobbleheadness.

[Kc61]

Thought I’d look in at the game thread. You know how Stephenson is finished and Cody Reed is great. I’m sure it’s there, just have to go back a few pages.

[Rantly]

Other baseball team announcers don't act like this

Switch over to Indians broadcast, I have always liked those guys and switch to them when the Reds play the Indians, especially when Thom is at the mike.

[Big Klu]

Other baseball team announcers don't act like this


Thom needs to stop going after that poor kid. Enough already.


Smmmiiiillllle, Servo, SMIIIILLLEE!!!!!


Neither do other grown-ups. Thom sounds like a junior high bully.


He just sucks all the joy out of watching the television broadcast, even when they play well.

I guess I could have stopped the previous sentence after the first three words.

[Tom Servo]

Scooter what you doin

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Hell yeah Cody!

[Roy Tucker]

So where has this version of Cody Reed been hiding?

[JaxRed]

So where has this version of Cody Reed been hiding?

Louisville?

[CaiGuy]

Hope RS is taking notes.

[Tom Servo]

Carl Willis of my alma mater, UNCW.

[Roy Tucker]

I miss the Reds being in a pennant race. This was when it was really *fun*. Living and dying with every win and loss.

That’s when being a fan is good. Not this. Every time I think “hey, they’re winning”, about a second later I think “so what, who cares?”

Bah, I say.

[Tom Servo]

I miss the Reds being in a pennant race. This was when it was really *fun*. Living and dying with every win and loss.

I agree, but Redszone was mostly miserable then too lol.

[Roy Tucker]

I agree, but Redszone was mostly miserable then too lol.

Son, there is more to being a Reds fan than RZ.

[CaiGuy]

Wow O Perez is still around?

It was what, 14 years ago he was destroying with the Pirates?

What's Ben Sheets up to?

[CaiGuy]

Bases juiced for PErvin

[Roy Tucker]

I wonder if Dan Otero is related to Reggie Otero, a coach for the Reds back in the 60’s?

[Tom Servo]

Reed wasn't missing much on a few of those, but a leadoff walk in the 6th.

And now a GABP special. 4-3 Tribe.

[RiverRat13]

GABP special.

[Big Klu]

Leadoff walks are killers.

[mhs95_06]

Reed wasn't missing much on a few of those, but a leadoff walk in the 6th.

And now a GABP special. 4-3 Tribe.

Bad omen confirmed by the home run!

[Roy Tucker]

Funny you guys called that HR that. That was my first thought as well.

[Tom Servo]

Reed done after a single, Hughes coming in.

Bummer final frame, but overall some good stuff from Reed. First HR he's allowed in a while including Louisville, but a reminder how you can't miss in some spots.

[mhs95_06]

So does Reed get a blown save, a blown win, or a loss? In any case, very painful to give up a 2 run HR that takes your team from one up to one down in the 6th.

[Roy Tucker]

As a side note, just finished a good SI article about the transformation of JD Martinez. The Reds need some of those uppercut hitters.

[Big Klu]

So does Reed get a blown save, a blown win, or a loss? In any case, very painful to give up a 2 run HR that takes your team from one up to one down in the 6th.

Currently on the hook for the loss.

[mhs95_06]

Reed should have gotten that upset earlier, like when he went 2-0 on the lead-off hitter when he still had control of his outcome.

[Rolando]

Reed should have gotten that upset earlier, like when he went 2-0 on the lead-off hitter when he still had control of his outcome.

I'm sure he wasn't trying to walk him.

[Chip R]

So does Reed get a blown save, a blown win, or a loss? In any case, very painful to give up a 2 run HR that takes your team from one up to one down in the 6th.

If it ends like this he gets the L. BobSteve wasn't in the game long enough to get a W.

[Ironman92]

Why is Votto playing?

Mason Williams plays defense for 1 batter and gets PH for.....and Dixon strikes out on 2 pitches smh lol

[Rolando]

wow Brandon Dixon is an awful hitter

[mhs95_06]

So does Reed get a blown save, a blown win, or a loss? In any case, very painful to give up a 2 run HR that takes your team from one up to one down in the 6th.

If a reliever can be tagged with both a loss and a blown save, a starter should be able to get a loss and a blown win, and a reliever who is in line for a win and gives up the lead ought to be able to get a loss and a blown win.

[Rolando]

Why is Votto playing?

Mason Williams plays defense for 1 batter and gets PH for.....and Dixon strikes out on 2 pitches smh lol

Riggleman is clueless the game has pasted him by

[Kc61]

Cody pitched nicely. Cheapo home run hurts the ERA but doesn’t mar the performance. Nice going.

[Roy Tucker]

It doesn’t surprise me that Thom is an 80’s boy band fan.

[Big Klu]

Riggleman is clueless the game has pasted him by

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[Big Klu]

It doesn’t surprise me that Thom is an 80’s boy band fan.

In addition to Culture Club, THom's mix tape has Kajagoogoo, A Flock of Seagulls, The Human League, and Frankie Goes To Hollywood.

[Rolando]

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Ha I'm a horrible speller

[50YrRedsFan]

It sounds and looks like there is more Indians fans at the ballpark than Reds fans....but it is an exhibition game!

[Roy Tucker]

It sounds and looks like there is more Indians fans at the ballpark than Reds fans....but it is an exhibition game!

It’s been that way the whole series.

Happens a lot, in general.

[Tom Servo]

We did the Mr. Hand bit in 2015 with Donovan Hand.

[Strikes Out Looking]

My money is on Mason Williams having a should injury because he wants to fit in.

[Big Klu]

Ha I'm a horrible speller

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

After one month of self-imposed exile, I'm back!

[Ironman92]

This ump has hosed Suarez 3x now. Why? And he’s all excited a bit with his call. Suarez hasn’t said anything...I wish Riggleman would.

[Roy Tucker]

Indians catcher stole a K there. Set up outside the zone, didn’t have to move his glove to catch it, and the ump fell for it.

[Tracy Jones]

We did the Mr. Hand bit in 2015 with Donovan Hand.

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[Rolando]

Sorry, I couldn't resist!

After one month of self-imposed exile, I'm back!

Hey I thought it was funny

[mhs95_06]

Ha I'm a horrible speller

I don't think it was a spelling issue!

[klw]

We did the Mr. Hand bit in 2015 with Donovan Hand.
Some would say we bit the Mr. Hand that served us.

[mhs95_06]

I'm sure he wasn't trying to walk him.

I'm sure he wasn't, but when he went 2-0, he should have got upset with himself, buckled down and not walked the lead-off hitter.

[Rolando]

I'm sure he wasn't, but when he went 2-0, he should have got upset with himself, buckled down and not walked the lead-off hitter.

I don't know if that's easy just to say I don't wanna walk this guy.

[mhs95_06]

Cody pitched nicely. Cheapo home run hurts the ERA but doesn’t mar the performance. Nice going.

The performance was much more marred by the lead-off walk that ended up being the tying run on the cheap home run. GABP is well known for cheap HRs, so a lead-off walk is that much more detrimental than in a large park.

[Ironman92]

Hate when Joey does that....it was right at Scooter

[Rolando]

The performance was much more marred by the lead-off walk that ended up being the tying run on the cheap home run. GABP is well known for cheap HRs, so a lead-off walk is that much more detrimental than in a large park.

He walked one guy tonight.

[Tracy Jones]

The performance was much more marred by the lead-off walk that ended up being the tying run on the cheap home run. GABP is well known for cheap HRs, so a lead-off walk is that much more detrimental than in a large park.

Reed got 11 outs and allowed 4 base runners. On this staff, that’s ace material.

[klw]

Radar looks bad, lets see if they finish this without a two hour delay.

[mhs95_06]

I don't know if that's easy just to say I don't wanna walk this guy.

I think its pretty easy to say you don't want to walk this guy, but Cody may be more effective in doing it if he really gets upset at himself when he misses with the 1-0 pitch.

[Ironman92]

Joey running is painful to watch

[mhs95_06]

Reed got 11 outs and allowed 4 base runners. On this staff, that’s ace material.

That's a non-stellar 4.9 ERA.

[Ironman92]

Radar looks bad, lets see if they finish this without a two hour delay.

It’s going to be a glorious rally in a pouring down rain

[Big Klu]

THom was talking about Stan Williams like he was dead.

According to Baseball-Reference.com, he's still very much alive.

['69]

In addition to Culture Club, THom's mix tape has Kajagoogoo, A Flock of Seagulls, The Human League, and Frankie Goes To Hollywood.

Those aren't boy bands!

[kaldaniels]

Those aren't boy bands!

Relax.

['69]

If a reliever can be tagged with both a loss and a blown save, a starter should be able to get a loss and a blown win, and a reliever who is in line for a win and gives up the lead ought to be able to get a loss and a blown win.

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We don't need all that, lol.

[kaldaniels]

That should tie it up.

[Ironman92]

So Peraza going to swing at first pitch or bunt I assume

[BluegrassRedleg]

R-B-R

['69]

Relax.

Heh. Well played.

Those on a mix tape wouldn't be bad..boy bands on the other hand, never.

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3 doubles for Peraza? Wow.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Wow. Got a chance to win this thing now.

[klw]

It’s going to be a glorious rally in a pouring down rain

Lightning strikes, Joey hits ball hard, cover comes off ball, winning run scores, Joey stands on 3rd in the downpour.

[Tom Servo]

haha what was that Guyer

I'll take it

[kaldaniels]

Indians see our Winker and raise us Guyer.

[mhs95_06]

Was Billy trying to tag to go to 2nd, or would he have scored if the ball would have hit the wall?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Jesus Christ.

[JCM11]

What is Hamilton doing there?

[Roy Tucker]

That was not a good decision by Billy.

[BluegrassRedleg]

What a cluster#*^%

[Tom Servo]

why did Billy keep running

[mhs95_06]

Bad communication of what the strategy was if Peraza is still on 2nd base!

[Big Klu]

Those aren't boy bands!

They didn't have boy bands in the 80's. Just because Boy George was in Culture Club doesn't make them a boy band.

But I'm sure those songs are on THom's mix tape.

[kaldaniels]

Pinch run for Votto here c’mon.

[Ironman92]

Pinch run for Votto here c’mon.

Literally anyone

[BCubb2003]

If going on contact doesn’t work with Billy Hamilton, it doesn’t work.

[kaldaniels]

why did Billy keep running

I almost think he assumed Peraza was coming to third. But Billy, you are the lead runner. It’s your call.

[PuffyPig]

Peraza has to go as soon as he sees Hamilton go.

[Ironman92]

Suarez as far off as we’ve seen him

[Tracy Jones]

They didn't have boy bands in the 80's. Just because Boy George was in Culture Club doesn't make them a boy band.

But I'm sure those songs are on THom's mix tape.

NKOTB was 80’s. Late 80’s, but still 80’s.

[PuffyPig]

Reds have one position player left.

[Roy Tucker]

Pinch run for Votto here c’mon.

It would have to be a pitcher. Reds only have their backup catcher left on the bench.

['69]

They didn't have boy bands in the 80's. Just because Boy George was in Culture Club doesn't make them a boy band.

But I'm sure those songs are on THom's mix tape.

I know, I thought someone posted Thom likes boy bands...?

[JCM11]

5 k's in one game yikes

[Tom Servo]

Suarez just seemed out of sorts tonight, big swings without the normal sense of controlled balance he has

[Roy Tucker]

Radar shows a big area of rain on the way.

Reds are mucking this up big time.

[Ironman92]

Scooter no chance, tough lefty, tough vision

['69]

Ugly

[BluegrassRedleg]

If going on contact doesn’t work with Billy Hamilton, it doesn’t work.

You don't put the contact play on with 0 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd and 2-3-4 coming to the plate in the form of three All-Stars. IF Riggleman did that (and I doubt he did) that's almost grounds for firing him on the spot. My hunch is Billy just was over-aggressive and had a brain fart.

[Rolando]

Awful job tonight Geno

[kaldaniels]

I swear Scooter comes up with runners on and Thom’s juices just start flowing.

[mhs95_06]

You don't put the contact play on with 0 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd and 2-3-4 coming to the plate in the form of three All-Stars. IF Riggleman did that (and I doubt he did) that's almost grounds for firing him on the spot. My hunch is Billy just was over-aggressive and had a brain fart.

Yes, but #2 has a bum leg and #3 is having a very bad night at the plate!

[Ironman92]

Insane to think Billy on 3rd, no outs Votto up and Reds don’t score

[PuffyPig]

You don't put the contact play on with 0 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd and 2-3-4 coming to the plate in the form of three All-Stars. IF Riggleman did that (and I doubt he did) that's almost grounds for firing him on the spot.

Actually the contact play is best done with runners on 2nd and 3rd with zero outs.

Even if they throw the runner out, you have a runner at third and one out.

In theory anyway.

[NebraskaRed]

save us Casali, you're our only hope

[Tracy Jones]

Did Scooter just get a pitch around?

[Kc61]

You don't put the contact play on with 0 outs, runners at 2nd and 3rd and 2-3-4 coming to the plate in the form of three All-Stars. IF Riggleman did that (and I doubt he did) that's almost grounds for firing him on the spot. My hunch is Billy just was over-aggressive and had a brain fart.

Maybe they figured Peraza would move up to third.

But Billy was out so fast there was no time.

Nothing going right.

[kaldaniels]

Scooter didn’t really go around there but he was awful casual letting the bathead float around there.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Actually the contact play is best done with runners on 2nd and 3rd with zero outs.

Even if they throw the runner out, you have a runner at third and one out.

In theory anyway.

The contact play is for low-percentage scoring opps where you're trying to eke out a run. That was not it. I really, really hope he did not call that.

[Tom Servo]

:(

[Norm Chortleton]

Suarez just seemed out of sorts tonight, big swings without the normal sense of controlled balance he has
You don't see many platinum sombreros. Glad it didn't go to extras for his sake, so he wouldn't have to bat again

[BluegrassRedleg]

Just awful. "Take the Cup, Cleveland. We didn't want it anyway."

[NebraskaRed]

man that sucked

[JCM11]

2nd and 3rd no outs and you don't get a stinking run.

[Ironman92]

Terrible

Asinine Votto is out there. Suarez WTH?

[kaldaniels]

Does anyone other than Fox Sports Ohio announcers say “Ohio Cup?”

[Big Klu]

NKOTB was 80’s. Late 80’s, but still 80’s.

I graduated in 1988. If it happened after then, it goes to the 90's.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You don't see many platinum sombreros. Glad it didn't go to extras door his sake, so he wouldn't have to bat again

Wondered if you got to experience that one. Photoshop in 3...2...1...

[PuffyPig]

Maybe they figured Peraza would move up to third.

But Billy was out so fast there was no time.

Nothing going right.

Pedraza needs to go as soon as Hamilton goes. Period. There was plenty of time as long as he runs the moment Billy does.

[Roy Tucker]

Bah.

[Ironman92]

Scooter didn’t really go around there but he was awful casual letting the bathead float around there.

Good AB in a tough matchup

[Big Klu]

Just awful. "Take the Cup, Cleveland. We didn't want it anyway."

They got it last night.

[Tracy Jones]

I graduated in 1988. If it happened after then, it goes to the 90's.

The real shame is that it happened at all

[Rolando]

That was a joke of an effort in the 9th after the double

[Norm Chortleton]

Pedraza needs to go as soon as Hamilton goes. Period. There was plenty of time as long as he runs the moment Billy does.
I can't blame Peraza. That was such a bad decision by Hamilton; nobody could anticipate him running on that play

['69]

Insane to think Billy on 3rd, no outs Votto up and Reds don’t score

Crazy insane loco madness.

[Rolando]

I can't blame Peraza. That was such a bad decision by Hamilton; nobody could anticipate him running on that play

I agree plus even if Hamilton holds that wouldn't have scored anyway.

[Kc61]

If Riggleman wanted an aggressive base running play, he should have used the suicide squeeze.

Votto is hurt anyway, he’ll get the bat on it, Billy gets home in nothing flat.

['69]

Should have called a sac fly ;)

[kaldaniels]

If Riggleman wanted an aggressive base running play, he should have used the suicide squeeze.

Votto is hurt anyway, he’ll get the bat on it, Billy gets home in nothing flat.

I mean these games don’t count for the Reds.

Once in my life could I see 2 suicide squeezes in a row for the win?

[Big Klu]

I mean these games don’t count for the Reds.

Once in my life could I see 2 suicide squeezes in a row for the win?

With the personnel the Reds had on 2nd & 3rd, a double suicide squeeze wouldn't have been out of the question. Both runners break, Hamilton scores on the bunt, and Peraza keeps coming after the throw to first and beats the return throw home.

[kaldaniels]

With the personnel the Reds had on 2nd & 3rd, a double suicide squeeze wouldn't have been out of the question. Both runners break, Hamilton scores on the bunt, and Peraza keeps coming after the throw to first and beats the return throw home.

There were no outs! Twice in a row! No need to complicate matters.

[Norm Chortleton]

I apologize to Hamilton; riggleman put the play on. I still think you have to use common sense instead of committing baserunning suicide there

[Big Klu]

There were no outs! Twice in a row! No need to complicate matters.

I just like living on the ragged edge.

[mhs95_06]

I apologize to Hamilton; riggleman put the play on. I still think you have to use common sense instead of committing baserunning suicide there

Riggleman said if Peraza goes to 3rd on contact like he was supposed to and they get Billy out at home, you have Peraza on 3rd with one out and Suarez up(which Riggleman wanted) and Joey on 1st which would keep them from pitching around Eugenio to keep from moving the winning run to 2B.

It seems to me that Peraza is very bad at grasping and carrying out the pre-play strategy! How many times has he not covered 2nd on a stolen base attempt. Also he may have messed up on what was trying to be done when he was up and Billy was at first regarding hit and run plays, stolen base attempts, etc. Seems like he may have a flippant attitude and not value each opportunity to make an out or move the offense along. For instance, did he really value the out on the 2nd batter of the game and put full concentration at gloving that line drive right at him in tonight's game? It would have killed the 1st inning 3 run rally and gone a long way to allowing the struggling pitcher to get settled in.

[Norm Chortleton]

Riggleman said if Peraza goes to 3rd on contact like he was supposed to and they get Billy out at home, you have Peraza on 3rd with one out and Suarez up(which Riggleman wanted) and Joey on 1st which would keep them from pitching around Eugenio to keep from moving the winning run to 2B.

It seems to me that Peraza is very bad at grasping and carrying out the pre-play strategy! How many times has he not covered 2nd on a stolen base attempt. Also he may have messed up on what was trying to be done when he was up and Billy was at first regarding hit and run plays, stolen base attempts, etc. Seems like he may have a flippant attitude and not value each opportunity to make an out or move the offense along. For instance, did he really value the out on the 2nd batter of the game and put full concentration at gloving that line drive right at him in tonight's game? It would have killed the 1st inning 3 run rally and gone a long way to allowing the struggling pitcher to get settled in.
Suarez is my favorite current Red by far. He stuck out 5x tonight. If they walk him to load the bases with 1 out, I'm very happy about that.

2nd and 3rd with 1 out >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1st and 3rd with 1 out >>>>>>> what happened.

Furthermore, the winning run was already at 2nd. Just terrible strategy all the way around.

[Alabama]

Didn’t see the game. What in the world was Suarez doing? 5ks and looked like all terrible ABs. Chasing or just swinging through stuff?

[Tom Servo]

Didn’t see the game. What in the world was Suarez doing? 5ks and looked like all terrible ABs. Chasing or just swinging through stuff?
Little bit of both

[mhs95_06]

Didn’t see the game. What in the world was Suarez doing? 5ks and looked like all terrible ABs. Chasing or just swinging through stuff?

Also victimized by a couple of very tough called 3rd strikes right on the very low outside corner, just ticking the zone, and then also on a bad call on a 3rd strike. He seemed incredulous going back to the dugout without saying anything to the ump.

[Kc61]

Seems like he may have a flippant attitude and not value each opportunity to make an out or move the offense along.

Peraza has a reputation for hard work and a serious attitude to the game. I know of no evidence of a flippant attitude. I don't see much advantage having BH run on contact there, it was an easy out and you lose having BH and Peraza both in scoring position.

Presumably Peraza decided it was too risky to run to third for whatever reason. It ultimately didn't matter, Suarez struck out, but I'm not sure about the whole strategy.

[PuffyPig]

Peraza has a reputation for hard work and a serious attitude to the game. I know of no evidence of a flippant attitude. I don't see much advantage having BH run on contact there, it was an easy out and you lose having BH and Peraza both in scoring position.

Presumably Peraza decided it was too risky to run to third for whatever reason. It ultimately didn't matter, Suarez struck out, but I'm not sure about the whole strategy.

How did they lose Pedraza in scoring position?

How could Pedraza decide it was too risky to run to third. The play was to home, he could have crawled there as long as he leaves the moment the ball is hit on the ground.

The whole reason that teams put the contact play on is that it's takes too long to see if a ball is hit directly at a fielder. If you wait, you can't score on a ground ball that a fielder reaches for. The infield was playing back. Percentages dictate that Hamilton would score on the vast majority of ground balls. Even marginal ones.

[cumberlandreds]

Government

Weather forecasters too. :)


Stephenson ain't looking so good. They can keep him in rotation the rest of the season and see how it goes. But if there isn't significant improvement there is no need in wasting time with him next spring. If you want to try him in the bullpen then fine but starting should be out of the question without significant improvement the last five weeks of this season.

[Big Klu]

I know, I thought someone posted Thom likes boy bands...?

Yeah, but then he started talking about Boy George.

[GADawg]

Also victimized by a couple of very tough called 3rd strikes right on the very low outside corner, just ticking the zone, and then also on a bad call on a 3rd strike. He seemed incredulous going back to the dugout without saying anything to the ump.

Don't know if "victimized" is totally accurate....One of the first things you learn going back to little league is to protect yourself with 2 strikes....I didn't see Suarez complaining about it tonight so I'm not pointing at him here but constant i see guys ***** and moan about borderline 3rd strike calls and it drives me nuts....protect yourself at the plate and extend the zone enough to avoid the bad borderline calls

[Flair4Horsemen]

extend the zone enough to avoid the bad borderline calls

Expanding the zone just leads to more strikeouts and weak grounders, so no don't do that.

[Alabama]

Expanding the zone just leads to more strikeouts and weak grounders, so no don't do that.

When you’ve struck out 3 times in 3 ABs you do what you have to to not K again. If it’s close with 2, you better either foul it off or just try and put it in play

[Flair4Horsemen]

When you’ve struck out 3 times in 3 ABs you do what you have to to not K again. If it’s close with 2, you better either foul it off or just try and put it in play

Each at bat is an independent event, don't go chasing because you failed earlier.

[Alabama]

Each at bat is an independent event, don't go chasing because you failed earlier.

On paper it is, but in real life, to the players themselves, no.