8/18/18 Reds vs Giants

[Ironman92]

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[cumberlandreds]

The Dilson faction in RZ will be very happy tonight. :)

If Harvey is on his game tonight this cold be a very good pitching matchup with Bumgardner going for the Giants. Now watch it be a 15-14 game. :p

[Ron Madden]

What are the odds of Dilson getting to play the whole game?
(without being double switched out of the game)

[Big Klu]

What are the odds of Dilson getting to play the whole game?
(without being double switched out of the game)

That is unlikely for anyone playing 1B or corner OF in the next week or two (or until Votto and/or Schebler return).

Herrera, Dixon, Ervin, Williams, Tucker, and Aquino are all going to be swapped in and out.

[Ron Madden]

That is unlikely for anyone playing 1B or corner OF in the next week or two (or until Votto and/or Schebler return).

You're probably right but I wouldn't bet against it.
LOL

[Kc61]

The question is why Ervin is playing primarily against LHP.

He’s on the short side of a platoon, which doesn’t bring many ABs.

It’s not a good sign that LH bats Mason W and Turner are playing instead against RHP.

Would expect Ervin might have priority even against RHP as he seems to have more upside potential. Maybe Reds don’t see it that way.

[texasdave]

What if Matt Harvey was perfect, and nobody cared?

[Red Raindog]

Pitching duel so far
Bum with 28 pitches thru 3
Harvey with clean 3 innings and 32 pitches


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[Red Raindog]

What if Matt Harvey was perfect, and nobody cared?

Good to see you around


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[Big Klu]

What if Matt Harvey was perfect, and nobody cared?

Not tonight.

E5

[texasdave]

E5ugenio Suarez has ended Harvey's quest for the elusive Holy Grail of pitching. The next batter walks. So, Suarez is off the hook.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza! :jump:

[Red Raindog]

Peraza bomb
I like this version of him


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[50YrRedsFan]

Another offensive blackout in Cincinnati. Peraza's HR could be the only run of the game. Redszone members missing in action.

[Tom Servo]

Broken bat flare double for Dixon, better to be lucky than good! 3-0 Redlegs.

[50YrRedsFan]

Broken bat flare double for Dixon, better to be lucky than good! 3-0 Redlegs.

As soon as I commented on the lack of offense, the Reds come through.

[Big Klu]

Another offensive blackout in Cincinnati. Peraza's HR could be the only run of the game. Redszone members missing in action.

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['69]

As soon as I commented on the lack of offense, the Reds come through.

Well, between Hererra and Dixon, the odds were 85% you'd be right. Glad you weren't ;)

[Red Raindog]

Lots of Redzoners missing this Harvey effort


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[JaxRed]

Another offensive blackout in Cincinnati. Peraza's HR could be the only run of the game. Redszone members missing in action.

I'm catching up on Roku.....

[Flair4Horsemen]

Another offensive blackout in Cincinnati. Peraza's HR could be the only run of the game. Redszone members missing in action.

So Peraza homers against MadBaum and you complain about the offense? Harsh.

[RedlegsFanatic]

We may have finally found our lead off hitter.
Peraza being top 5 in the NL in hits this late into the season is something I never dreamed would happen.
Although I have no idea why Riggleman keeps running Billy out there in the 1 spot.
When Peraza learns how to take a walk we will really have something.

Why does Bumgarner have to be such an a**hole?
I'm not sure who is worse...him or Bryce Harper.

[RedlegsFanatic]

I'm catching up on Roku.....

How do you get the Reds game on Roku?
FoxSports Go?

[50YrRedsFan]

We may have finally found our lead off hitter.
Peraza being top 5 in the NL in hits this late into the season is something I never dreamed would happen.
Although I have no idea why Riggleman keeps running Billy out there in the 1 spot.
When Peraza learns how to take a walk we will really have something.

Why does Bumgarner have to be such an a**hole?
I'm not sure who is worse...him or Bryce Harper.

Harper, easily

[Red Raindog]

I watch mlb at bat on it


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[757690]

I truly feel sorry for Buster Posey and how far his game has declined since he...

:lol::laugh::lol::laugh:

Sorry, couldn’t say it with a straight face.

[50YrRedsFan]

So Peraza homers against MadBaum and you complain about the offense? Harsh.

I just said it to get the bats going.....reverse psychology. :laugh:

[RedlegsFanatic]

I have Extra Innings so I have MLB.tv on the Roku, but Reds games are blacked out.
And for whatever reason my iPhone thinks I am closer to Cleveland than Cincinnati because when I download FoxSportsGo it gives me Indians games instead of Reds games.
Does FoxSportsGo have an app on Roku?

['69]

We may have finally found our lead off hitter.
Peraza being top 5 in the NL in hits this late into the season is something I never dreamed would happen.
Although I have no idea why Riggleman keeps running Billy out there in the 1 spot.
When Peraza learns how to take a walk we will really have something.

Why does Bumgarner have to be such an a**hole?
I'm not sure who is worse...him or Bryce Harper.

I'm OK with it, Hamilton with .360 OBP the last seven games before tonight. Peraza might be the story of the season.

[davereds24]

Anyone notice on that play Scooter went 2nd to home Hatcher had no idea where the ball was?

[RedlegsFanatic]

I watch mlb at bat on it


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I have the At Bat App also but it blacks out Reds games too.

[JustaFan]

two more harvey good innings and he will soon be elsewhere

[Tadasimha]

Cancel the press conference - just get that shutout, Mattman!

[Kc61]

Nice game by Harvey.

Can certainly understand why so many don’t want sign him.

[Big Klu]

Anyone notice on that play Scooter went 2nd to home Hatcher had no idea where the ball was?

That's funny. I noticed Billy Hatcher pointing to the ball to let Scooter know where it was.

[Red Raindog]

I have the At Bat App also but it blacks out Reds games too.

I meant mlbtv

Right

I’m blacked out of Reds games on it too and I’m near South Bend indiana!




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[RiverRat13]

Nice game by Harvey.

Can certainly understand why so many don’t want sign him.

Need to cut him to give Robert Stephenson more chances to walk people.

[Tom Servo]

Nice game by Harvey.

Can certainly understand why so many don’t want sign him.
Surely he’s just dying to reup with this team where his several innings of no hit performance goes almost completely unnoticed.

['69]

I have the At Bat App also but it blacks out Reds games too.

Do you have your location blocked from the app? Works a treat. Still couldn't get the Cleveland series.

[Red Raindog]

I don’t
Can get Fox sports off of Dish so I can stream it or watch it on the dish
The mlb app for other games


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[Big Klu]

Dilson! Blinky lights!

[Red Raindog]

Blinky lights for Dilson


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[kaldaniels]

It’s not “Bum-GarD-ner” Jim Day.

['69]

Dilly Dilly!!

[50YrRedsFan]

1 hit per game is Dixon's quota.

[Tadasimha]

Dilly Dilly!!

Free Dilly Bars at DQ for every Dilson homer - its a deal, son!

[50YrRedsFan]

Harvey smoked that one. Too bad it was caught.

[50YrRedsFan]

Billy, hit it on the ground

[Big Klu]

Harvey smoked that one. Too bad it was caught.

Billy made solid contact, too. Bumgarner isn't fooling anyone.

[Kc61]

Surely he’s just dying to reup with this team where his several innings of no hit performance goes almost completely unnoticed.

That’s up to Matt, you know.

But from the Reds’ perspective, they are absolutely desperate for starting pitching. They have a former TOR in house, and he’s regaining his prowess.

Seems to me you try and extend him. And you might want to avoid waiting until January just because, you know, some leftover free agents might be available then too.

[JaxRed]

How do you get the Reds game on Roku?
FoxSports Go?

On MLB-TV. I'm in Florida so I'm out of market.

[Big Klu]

What are the odds of Dilson getting to play the whole game?
(without being double switched out of the game)


That is unlikely for anyone playing 1B or corner OF in the next week or two (or until Votto and/or Schebler return).

Herrera, Dixon, Ervin, Williams, Tucker, and Aquino are all going to be swapped in and out.


You're probably right but I wouldn't bet against it.
LOL

Williams replaces Herrera as a straight defensive substitution. (An expected move, especially with the Reds having a lead in the late innings.)

['69]

Nice standing O for Harvey

[Tom Servo]

That’s up to Matt, you know.

But from the Reds’ perspective, they are absolutely desperate for starting pitching. They have a former TOR in house, and he’s regaining his prowess.

Seems to me you try and extend him. And you might want to avoid waiting until January just because, you know, some leftover free agents might be available then too.
Seems to me like anybody who follows baseball outside of the Reds knows Matt Harvey loves the bright lights and is represented by Scott Boras to boot. It’s on you to explain to me why in your scenario he’s eschewing free agency entirely, and any “he seems to like it here” answers get a big fart noise.

['69]

Seems to me like anybody who follows baseball outside of the Reds knows Matt Harvey loves the bright lights and is represented by Scott Boras to boot. It’s on you to explain to me why in your scenario he’s eschewing free agency entirely, and any “he seems to like it here” answers get a big fart noise.

Since Harvey has been a Red, when was the last article about Harvey liking the bright lights? If I recall correctly, he has said (sure, player-speak) that he likes it here.

The other stuff doesn't matter, you make an effort to sign him.

['69]

The Giants are wearing a groove in the dirt from the worm burners they are hitting on the right side.

[Kc61]

Seems to me like anybody who follows baseball outside of the Reds knows Matt Harvey loves the bright lights and is represented by Scott Boras to boot. It’s on you to explain to me why in your scenario he’s eschewing free agency entirely, and any “he seems to like it here” answers get a big fart noise.

Funny to me how some Reds fans seem to live in dread of Scott Boras or a client like Harvey. No reason. Worst thing Harvey can say is no. He and Boras are practical.

Reds should pursue Matt Harvey, period.

I’ve explained ad nauseum why he might sign. Business reasons. You mischaracterize the argument repeatedly.

But the bottom line is that the worst thing he can say is no. Try to extend him.

[JaxRed]

Since Harvey has been a Red, when was the last article about Harvey liking the bright lights? If I recall correctly, he has said (sure, player-speak) that he likes it here.

The other stuff doesn't matter, you make an effort to sign him.

You only make an effort if it's a good deal. I would have no problem with a 1 year, 10 million (tops) prove it deal. Would give Harvey a chance to hit FA next year, would give Reds more protection in a qualifying offer scenario.

[50YrRedsFan]

Good thing it's a 7 run lead. Lorenzen walks a lot of hitters (22 in 48 innings)

[Mutaman]

They should make an effort to sign Bryce Harper too. Worst he can do is say no.

['69]

Good thing it's a 7 run lead. Lorenzen walks a lot of hitters (22 in 48 innings)

Woah. Seems more a thrower, not his biggest fan.

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They should make an effort to sign Bryce Harper too. Worst he can do is say no.

That's the spirit.

[Kc61]

They should make an effort to sign Bryce Harper too. Worst he can do is say no.

Reds can’t afford Bryce Harper. They can afford Matt Harvey.

[Tom Servo]

Funny to me how some Reds fans seem to live in dread of Scott Boras or a player from a big market. No reason. Worst thing Harvey can say is no.

Reds should pursue Matt Harvey, period.

I’ve explained ad nauseum why he might sign. Business reasons. You mischaracterize the argument repeatedly.

But the bottom line is that the worst thing he can say is no. Try to extend him.
I don't live in dread of Scott Boras, I personally support him in getting his clients the best possible deal. And I think a lot of times the stuff about guys from big markets is overblown. With Harvey, it is underblown if anything. He goes to B movie premieres, he goes to fashion shows, he goes on dates in public with super models that he knows will get TMZ coverage, and he went on every late night talk show there was. He's a celebrity, and he likes it. Maybe there's a slight chance he's ready to settle down in the Kentucky suburbs. But he's going to see what is out there in November, there's next to no reason why he or his representatives would try and hammer out a deal with the Cincinnati Reds before then. And for all we know the Reds did broach the subject post-deadline. Scooter immediately blabbed about his talks but Harvey has refused to publicly comment on any of that stuff.

[Mutaman]

Reds can’t afford Bryce Harper. They can afford Matt Harvey.

Maybe Bryce really likes Cincinnati.

[JaxRed]

They should make an effort to sign Bryce Harper too. Worst he can do is say no.

they should. 5 year , 12 million per. When he says no, you move on.

[50YrRedsFan]

Cardinals are leading Milwaukee late in their game. If they win, they will move into 2nd place in the division and be 1/2 game back for the wild card. They have been on a run since Matheny was fired. Was he that bad?

[Tom Servo]

They have been on a run since Matheny was fired. Was he that bad?
Yeah.

['69]

Cardinals are leading Milwaukee late in their game. If they win, they will move into 2nd place in the division and be 1/2 game back for the wild card. They have been on a run since Matheny was fired. Was he that bad?

The deals at the deadline might have something to do with it, revamped their bullpen.

[JaxRed]

Almost caught up. This home ump has been very good. Anyone else see Wilfred Brimley behind home plate? 2nd row behind the sub...

[Tom Servo]

We're still good! :beerme:

[Kc61]

I don't live in dread of Scott Boras, I personally support him in getting his clients the best possible deal. And I think a lot of times the stuff about guys from big markets is overblown. With Harvey, it is underblown if anything. He goes to B movie premieres, he goes to fashion shows, he goes on dates in public with super models that he knows will get TMZ coverage, and he went on every late night talk show there was. He's a celebrity, and he likes it. Maybe there's a slight chance he's ready to settle down in the Kentucky suburbs. But he's going to see what is out there in November, there's next to no reason why he or his representatives would try and hammer out a deal with the Cincinnati Reds before then. And for all we know the Reds did broach the subject post-deadline. Scooter immediately blabbed about his talks but Harvey has refused to publicly comment on any of that stuff.

Unless you actually know Matt Harvey - presumably you don’t - you have no idea what he wants. Nor do I.

But his career is at issue.

If he feels an extra year in the Cincy environment will help his career, he’ll probably be interested. If not, he probably won’t.

My guess is he’s intelligent snf knows that fashion shows and his public persona are not the pertinent issue here. Restoring his pitching value is the issue.

The biggest impediment for the Reds is that they aren’t set with a manager and coaching staff for next year. I doubt he’d sign before that information. But the Reds should pursue him.

[Ironman92]

That was fun.

[Tom Servo]

But this won’t be about fashion shows. His career is at issue.
I agree with that. And I think he views Cincinnati as rehab of sorts. He had a thing he liked a lot in New York but bad press and bad performance made it come to an end. So now he's on his best behavior and being a model citizen, and it's so that he can get another crack at that life that he loved. Not one of toiling away on a loser team in one of the sports smallest markets, one where he lives in a city with a roaring nightlife and ample super models and where he goes out every 5th day to a huge crowd and pitches under bright lights.

But this is all just a distraction from the pertinent question of what upside there is not even testing the free agency market.

[Kc61]

Upside to Harvey is Reds don’t use his salary slot on somebody else. He avoids the unknown for a short deal.

Let’s say Reds re-sign Danny Darwin and an acceptable manager.
Let’s say Boras’ sense is there’s no huge LTC this year.
Let’s say Reds make Harvey a generous (for Reds) one year offer.

I could see a deal very early this winter. Since the Reds’ coaching staff is unknown it likely won’t come earlier. Assuming Matt feels Darwin and Reds are helping him progress.

[757690]

Maybe Bryce really likes Cincinnati.

He grew up a Reds and Pete Rose fan.