2018 Bengals Season: My House is Made of Mediocrity

[WVRed]

Old thread almost at 1,000. Here’s a new one

[Assembly Hall]

Go Colts!!!!!!

[WrongVerb]

Hue Jackson is back.

[WVRed]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2018/11/12/stephen-smith-marvin-lewis-bengals-owners-pathetic-they-get/1980194002/

Posted this in the other thread. Normally can’t stand Screamin A Smith and I honestly think he has an axe to grind with Marvin, but he is right on this one.

[Bob Sheed]

Hue Jackson is the Bob Bedinghaus of NFL coaches.

Of course he has a home back here under Mike Brown's wing.

Of course he does.

[WVRed]

Special Assistant to the Head Coach.

Translation: Coach in Waiting

I need to find a new team to pull for.

[bucksfan2]

Hue Jackson has been a very good offensive coordinator in the past.

Hue Jackson was the coach of a team the Bengals play twice in the remaining 7 games of the season.

Hue Jackson has a working relationship with Marvin.

The Bengals would be idiots not to bring him back in.

[Assembly Hall]

Hue Jackson has been a very good offensive coordinator in the past.

Hue Jackson was the coach of a team the Bengals play twice in the remaining 7 games of the season.

Hue Jackson has a working relationship with Marvin.

The Bengals would be idiots not to bring him back in.

Interesting take, makes sense.

[Playadlc]

Bringing Hue back is smart. Coach vacancy, play the Browns twice still and has been a successful assistant here. I like the move.

I’m really curious to see what Lewis does with this defense. He seemed very confident about getting it fixed in a hurry during the press conference. I hope he’s right.

[RiverRat13]

Hue Jackson has been a very good offensive coordinator in the past.

Hue Jackson was the coach of a team the Bengals play twice in the remaining 7 games of the season.

Hue Jackson has a working relationship with Marvin.

The Bengals would be idiots not to bring him back in.

This might make sense for a competent organization. But this is the Bengals, where familiarity reigns supreme. The Bengals pitched to Hue to be the coach-in-waiting before he took the Browns job. Color me skeptical that once Marvin steps down that they won't just give it to Hue instead of bringing in badly needed fresh blood.

[bucksfan2]

This might make sense for a competent organization. But this is the Bengals, where familiarity reigns supreme. The Bengals pitched to Hue to be the coach-in-waiting before he took the Browns job. Color me skeptical that once Marvin steps down that they won't just give it to Hue instead of bringing in badly needed fresh blood.

Smart organizations make moves like this. I am not calling the Bengals a smart organization, but it makes all the sense in the world to bring Hue back. Honestly, there are a bunch of players on this team that had a tremendous amount of success with Hue calling plays, mainly Andy, AJ, and Gio.

At the time it made all the sense in the world to want Hue as the "coach in waiting." Now, not so much, but the Bengals today with Hue are better than the Bengals yesterday without Hue.

[traderumor]

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/nfl/bengals/2018/11/12/stephen-smith-marvin-lewis-bengals-owners-pathetic-they-get/1980194002/

Posted this in the other thread. Normally can’t stand Screamin A Smith and I honestly think he has an axe to grind with Marvin, but he is right on this one.

Although blind squirrels do find a nut occasionally, Smith just is taking another opportunity to scream his opinion. This is an axe to grind, so any nugget of truth it may contain is tainted with personal vitriol.

[Ohayou]

Vance Joseph should be back with the Bengals any day now...

[Bob Sheed]

The Mike Brown Friends and Family Club. No playoff wins, but the pay is nice. No talent required, just blind loyalty.

[Wonderful Monds]

The Bengals have relinquished 30 million dollars they were due from Hamilton County over the next 8 years, get ready to start hearing them beg for a new stadium and probably move by then.

[bucksfan2]

The Bengals have relinquished 30 million dollars they were due from Hamilton County over the next 8 years, get ready to start hearing them beg for a new stadium and probably move by then.

Most of the beat reporters have said this was a positive move on the Bengals behalf. Don't know why you spin it this way, but oh well.

[Wonderful Monds]

Most of the beat reporters have said this was a positive move on the Bengals behalf. Don't know why you spin it this way, but oh well.

It’s good for the county, but you’d have to be braindead to believe this is a move that’s coming with no strings attached.

[Bob Sheed]

Hamilton County would be a lot better off without the Cincinnati Bengals. When that lease is up, I hope they leave.

[WVRed]

Hamilton County would be a lot better off without the Cincinnati Bengals. When that lease is up, I hope they leave.

And go where?

This isn’t 1996 where Cleveland is trying to court a new team. St Louis is the only possibility but even then football is going to take a backseat to the Cardinals there.

[Bob Sheed]

And go where?

This isn’t 1996 where Cleveland is trying to court a new team. St Louis is the only possibility but even then football is going to take a backseat to the Cardinals there.

Who cares where... Anywhere but where I pay taxes. PBS is still ours though. Hamilton County can subsidize maintenance and let the high school football teams play there. Plus, the local NFL fanbase would be free from rooting for perennial losers just because they are the "home team."

I don't see a downside, honestly...

[Redsfaithful]

And go where?

This isn’t 1996 where Cleveland is trying to court a new team. St Louis is the only possibility but even then football is going to take a backseat to the Cardinals there.

I think you'd probably be surprised how many cities still want teams, stupidly.

[WVRed]

I think you'd probably be surprised how many cities still want teams, stupidly.

Realistically.

[KronoRed]

Take them away! :D

[GAC]

Hue Jackson has been a very good offensive coordinator in the past.

Hue Jackson was the coach of a team the Bengals play twice in the remaining 7 games of the season.

Hue Jackson has a working relationship with Marvin.

The Bengals would be idiots not to bring him back in.

He knows Cleveland ... and as you say .... they play them twice in the 7 remaining games. ;)

I don't know whether Jackson will make a good head coach or not. It's an ongoing discussion on the Brown's thread (LOL). I always felt he would be gone after '18 because Dorsey would want to choose his own guy. But I think he got a raw deal in Cleveland, and it certainly, IMO, is not an accurate gauge of those abilities. Yes, he knew what he was stepping into; but he still inherited the worst team in the NFL that was devoid of talent pretty much everywhere (especially on offense). In his first season the new GM announces the team is going into a rebuild, the goal is future not present, so there wouldn't be any immediate help. It's been shown that Jackson had little to no involvement in the drafts. He wasn't given much, if any, talent where it was needed to start with. This team was already careening towards a win-less season.

I just don't know how one can gauge any head coach's abilities (good or bad) looking at the dire circumstance the team was in. I guess before I can say whether Jackson is head coach material or not, I need to see him given the opportunity with a team that was better equipped/ran then Cleveland (LOL). I wish Hue the best of luck.

[RiverRat13]

I'm skeptical of Lamar Jackson's long term viability as an NFL starter due to his accuracy concerns. But going against a terrible Bengals LB corp I expect him to do a lot of damage with his legs.

[JaxRed]

London Bengals? (99% kidding)

[Assembly Hall]

And go where?

This isn’t 1996 where Cleveland is trying to court a new team. St Louis is the only possibility but even then football is going to take a backseat to the Cardinals there.

Chicago? That city could support two teams?

[KoryMac5]

San Antonio would jump all over having the Bengals the support from that city would be huge...


AJ Green to test the toe today...

[KoryMac5]

Green officially out...Burfict, Dre, and Ross all active.

[Redsfaithful]

I'd like to think I could finally quit the Bengals if they moved, but probably not. It's not like I would pull for the Steelers and the Browns eh.

[ScotlandRed]

That’s a very soft penalty on Dre.

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This defence is pathetically slow. No one can keep up with Jackson or a RBZ

[CTA513]

11 runs and 0 passes by the Ravens and the Bengals never looked like they had a chance of stopping them.

:clap::clap::clap:

[texasdave]

66 yards. 11 plays. All runs. touchdown. Pathetic.

[The Operator]

Idiotic block in the back wipes out a huge punt return by Erickson

[ScotlandRed]

This offsense is also dreadful.

[texasdave]

The defense is following the advice of Archie Bell and the Drells. They're tightening up.

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This offsense is also dreadful.

1 first down and 30 total yards. Hard to argue.

[texasdave]

And just like that they race down the field. Yes!

[ScotlandRed]

If Joe Mixon played behind a good OL he would be a top 5 RB in the league. There is so so much potential for him to be an absolute star.

[ScotlandRed]

Clear PI on Boyd on 3 and 6 not called and Bengals punt again. Not sure how much clearer it could be.

[WrongVerb]

Watching via NFL RedZone (not RedsZone), so I've only seen limited action. But it appears that Jackson can't throw on the run.

[ScotlandRed]

Receivers getting absolutely no separation at all

[CTA513]

Its a good thing the Bengals aren't playing a team with a QB this week.

[KoryMac5]

Not able to watch how is the D looking today or has it been tough to judge with Jackson playing QB...

[The Operator]

Nice 4th down stop to get the ball back with excellent field position.

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Harbaugh wastes a challenge trying to get the spot overturned.

Dumb way to burn a challenge.

[RiverRat13]

Holy crap! John Ross made a play!

[The Operator]

John Ross wrestles a TD pass away from Humphrey.

That was awesome

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21-13

[KoryMac5]

John Ross...all he does is score TD's ala Chris Carter back in the day

[ScotlandRed]

Not able to watch how is the D looking today or has it been tough to judge with Jackson playing QB...

Looked vulnerable vs the run as usual but made big plays when we’ve needed them.

[ScotlandRed]

When I say vulnerable I mean terrible

[The Operator]

That 2-point conversion was inevitable.

[RiverRat13]

The Bengals have a bunch of places they could go in the draft but for my sanity I hope they finally use high picks at the linebacker position.

[WrongVerb]

The Bengals have a bunch of places they could go in the draft but for my sanity I hope they finally use high picks at the linebacker position.

First three picks in the draft have to be OT, LB, TE in some order.

[The Operator]

And now a haphazard 3 and out.

Momentum swings to Baltimore in a big way.

[CTA513]

Can we fire the new defensive coordinator?

[CTA513]

Bengals have given up over 200 yards rushing to a team with no QB.

:laugh:

[RiverRat13]

I have zero faith in the offense scoring again unless they get another short field.

[CTA513]

I have zero faith in the offense scoring again unless they get another short field.

I have zero faith in a team coached by Marvin Lewis

[The Operator]

Tyler Boyd single handedly keeping this drive going.

[RiverRat13]

Every run is a wasted down.

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Marvin always coaches like he has a great FG kicker but never does.

[CTA513]

Bengals offense barely has over 200 yards.

:laugh:

[The Operator]

Bullock misses a 52 yard field goal attempt.


Gonna be 5-5 after today my dudes.

[Redsfaithful]

Bill Lazor's playcalling is pretty bad, tbh.

The Bengals always seem to try to force their philosophy, no matter the personnel.

[ScotlandRed]

There is absolutely no where for Mixon to go every time he gets the ball. Swallowed up time after time.

[The Operator]

There is absolutely no where for Mixon to go every time he gets the ball. Swallowed up time after time.

Which is appalling considering his talent. Give this guy a line and he could put stupid numbers up.

[KoryMac5]

it's not a good team...injuries have really decimated it, plus uninspired coaching and play...

[The Operator]

Illegal formation on BAL bails the Bengals out

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Damn. Needed a big return from Erickson there.

Oh and now a block in the back outs the mm further back.



We'll see if Dalton has some magic in him. I'm not holding my breath with this line and no AJ or Eifert.

[The Operator]

LOL

This team is awful

[Reds Fanatic]

Are they ever going to figure out Core can’t catch a ball

[RiverRat13]

Gotta go to Cody Core on the most important play of the game, right?

[Hillsdale87]

ISO to your worst receiver is an interesting choice with the season on the line


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[The Operator]

This might be the most embarrassing loss of them all. It's one thing to be outclassed by a better all around team, but to lose to a team with Lamar Jackson at QB, and to not be able to stop the run when you know it's coming 99% of the time?

Pathetic.


We've reached Peak Marvin. And I'm sure he'll be back next year to continue torturing us.

[CTA513]

Marvins Bengals lose 24-21 to a team with no QB.

:clap::clap::clap:

[RiverRat13]

It was a good no call by the official, but Core got held more than either of the calls the Steelers just got in the endzone.

[The Operator]

It was a good no call by the official, but Core got held more than either of the calls the Steelers just got in the endzone.

We know the hijinx that go on with the officials when The Steelers are behind but close late in the game.

As soon as CBS cut to The Steelers game and I saw they scored on that last play, I immediately thought to myself "I wonder how many gift calls they got on that drive?".

[RiverRat13]

LOL. John Harbaugh acting like his guy made a play on Core. That was a straight drop.

[KoryMac5]

5-5 with a chance to go 5-11...

[CTA513]

5-5 with a chance to go 5-11...

I hope so.

[KoryMac5]

No doubt Marvin will be gone but I am scared at who the alternative might be...if I am the Bengals I dip into Mike Zimmer's tree and grab Mike Defliippo.

[RiverRat13]

No doubt Marvin will be gone but I am scared at who the alternative might be...if I am the Bengals I dip into Mike Zimmer's tree and grab Mike Defliippo.

Oh, there's plenty of doubt that Marvin will be gone. They can still suck out 8-8, especially if the Steelers have their playoff position already locked in Week 17. That's enough for Mikey to bring Marvin back.

[The Operator]

No doubt Marvin will be gone but I am scared at who the alternative might be...if I am the Bengals I dip into Mike Zimmer's tree and grab Mike Defliippo.

You have more faith in Mike Brown than I do. I'll be shocked if Marvin is gone.

[Boston Red]

Marvins Bengals lose 24-21 to a team with no QB.

:clap::clap::clap:

Lol. Lamar Jackson is a stud.

[CTA513]

Lol. Lamar Jackson is a stud.

A NFL QB ran the ball 27 times vs 19 passes.

:laugh:

[KoryMac5]

Jackson was going to get yds...he built his career at Louisville on that, to me giving up over 100 yds to Edwards was the most disappointing.

[CTA513]

If you thought the Chuck Bresnahan era was bad you should look at the defensive stats from 2005-2007 and then look at the Bengals 2018 defensive stats.



2005: 21.9 points per game, 338.7 yards per game, 43 % on 3rd down (81 of 190) - (976 plays from scrimmage)
2006: 20.7 points per game, 355.1 yards per game, 42 % on 3rd down (88 of 211) - (1,038 plays from scrimmage)
2007: 24.1 points per game, 348.8 yards per game, 43 % on 3rd down (86 of 201) - (1,011 plays from scrimmage)

2018: 31.2 points per game, 449.4 yards per game, 56 % on 3rd down (81 of 146) - (719 plays from scrimmage in 10 games)



:help:

[Redsfaithful]

They really have very little talent on defense after the injuries they've had. Burfict looks like he might be toast, guys in the secondary have regressed. Even the line hasn't been impressive most of the season.

[Bob Sheed]

No doubt Marvin will be gone but I am scared at who the alternative might be...if I am the Bengals I dip into Mike Zimmer's tree and grab Mike Defliippo.

Huuuuuuuuuuuue :alcohol:

[bucksfan2]

They really have very little talent on defense after the injuries they've had. Burfict looks like he might be toast, guys in the secondary have regressed. Even the line hasn't been impressive most of the season.

Saw a quote from one of the beat reporters that mentioned Burfict normally wouldn't be active but because they had injuries at LB they needed him to go. FWIW he isn't healthy.

The Core pass at the end was textbook holding. There really is no other way around that, his shoulder is grabbed, you see it clear as day on the replays. He needs to make that play regardless, if he is a NFL receiver. I thought they were going to go to Gio, you had to know Boyd is getting doubled, Ericson would have been my second choice after Gio, but it is what it is.

Lamar Jackson is a novelty right now. If he doesn't improve on his throwing, he won't make it in this league. Those hits he takes will add up.

[Sea Ray]

Saw a quote from one of the beat reporters that mentioned Burfict normally wouldn't be active but because they had injuries at LB they needed him to go. FWIW he isn't healthy.

The Core pass at the end was textbook holding. There really is no other way around that, his shoulder is grabbed, you see it clear as day on the replays. He needs to make that play regardless, if he is a NFL receiver. I thought they were going to go to Gio, you had to know Boyd is getting doubled, Ericson would have been my second choice after Gio, but it is what it is.

Lamar Jackson is a novelty right now. If he doesn't improve on his throwing, he won't make it in this league. Those hits he takes will add up.

The fact that they had to rely on Core shows how much injuries have affected this team. What doesn't get enough press is that Josh Malone is also injured. I know from his time in college that he's a very smooth and talented receiver. We miss him. When he can't go in addition to the loss of two TEs and AJ Green, we're left with Cody Core. I know every team has injuries but the Bengals have been hit particularly hard.

[bucksfan2]

The fact that they had to rely on Core shows how much injuries have affected this team. What doesn't get enough press is that Josh Malone is also injured. I know from his time in college that he's a very smooth and talented receiver. We miss him. When he can't go in addition to the loss of two TEs and AJ Green, we're left with Cody Core. I know every team has injuries but the Bengals have been hit particularly hard.

I think it goes to show you what happens when you have a novelty on your practice squad instead of a guy who can make catches all over the field. It shouldn't be all that hard to find another Erickson type of WR, who may not be the most talented guy, but can get open in certain circumstances. With Tate on the active roster, he really gives them nothing.

[Sea Ray]

I think it goes to show you what happens when you have a novelty on your practice squad instead of a guy who can make catches all over the field. It shouldn't be all that hard to find another Erickson type of WR, who may not be the most talented guy, but can get open in certain circumstances. With Tate on the active roster, he really gives them nothing.

It's rare that rookie receivers, particularly late rd guys, give you much their rookie yr. It's guys like Josh Malone that you count on to step up in situations like this

[redsfan30]

Maybe it's my orange colored glasses, but I still think we are 9-6 going into Pittsburgh week 17.

[Redsfaithful]

I think it goes to show you what happens when you have a novelty on your practice squad instead of a guy who can make catches all over the field. It shouldn't be all that hard to find another Erickson type of WR, who may not be the most talented guy, but can get open in certain circumstances. With Tate on the active roster, he really gives them nothing.

Erickson is nearly as bad as Core as a receiver.

They knew where they were at the trade deadline and stood pat. They could have signed someone off the street and have gone with what they have. It's a franchise that unfortunately will never pull out all the stops to win.

[bucksfan2]

Erickson is nearly as bad as Core as a receiver.

They knew where they were at the trade deadline and stood pat. They could have signed someone off the street and have gone with what they have. It's a franchise that unfortunately will never pull out all the stops to win.

The trade deadline does nothing for me. Its over hyped and I just don't think you get a lot in return, especially for the current season. Its not like baseball where you can plug and play, it takes time to learn the system. I think their error was keeping Core and Tate for all this time when they really aren't all that good.

[Redsfaithful]

The trade deadline does nothing for me. Its over hyped and I just don't think you get a lot in return, especially for the current season. Its not like baseball where you can plug and play, it takes time to learn the system. I think their error was keeping Core and Tate for all this time when they really aren't all that good.

Eh, I think it's very case by case, and this is also 2018 - if your system is complicated enough a receiver can't get up to speed quickly, then it's probably overly complicated.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Tate is actually usable. He's gotten better about it, but it wouldn't be the first time Marvin left a usable receiver on the bench too long. I'm sure Core is a better special teams player, but who knows when it comes to playing WR.

[Sea Ray]

The trade deadline does nothing for me. Its over hyped and I just don't think you get a lot in return, especially for the current season. Its not like baseball where you can plug and play, it takes time to learn the system. I think their error was keeping Core and Tate for all this time when they really aren't all that good.

I think the thing to think about isn't whether they should have spent a 1st rd draft pick on a WR like Dallas did but whether they should have kept Brandon LaFell.

[Assembly Hall]

Maybe it's my orange colored glasses, but I still think we are 9-6 going into Pittsburgh week 17.

Very well could happen.

[CTA513]

Will the NFL care or will they ignore it like they did with the Chiefs players targeting Burfict?



Ravens deny Marshal Yanda spit on Bengals LB Vontaze Burfict, but the evidence is damning

Vontaze Burfict is back in the headlines, but for once, it’s not for something he did.

This time, it was something that was done to Burfict during Sunday’s loss to the Ravens. During the game, Ravens offensive lineman Marshal Yanda at one point appeared to spit on Burfict:


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/11/19/18097628/ravens-marshal-yanda-bengals-vontaze-burfict-evidence-damning

[The Operator]

Will the NFL care or will they ignore it like they did with the Chiefs players targeting Burfict?

Guarantee you nothing happens.

[GAC]

Maybe it's my orange colored glasses, but I still think we are 9-6 going into Pittsburgh week 17.

I'm assuming that one loss is splitting the series with my Browns? :mooner:

[traderumor]

Will the NFL care or will they ignore it like they did with the Chiefs players targeting Burfict?

The NFL will fine him, then cut him a check for more than the fine. A league official will be sent out to give him a high five at practice.

[Hillsdale87]

No doubt Marvin will be gone but I am scared at who the alternative might be...if I am the Bengals I dip into Mike Zimmer's tree and grab Mike Defliippo.

John Defilippo is probably best case for the Bengals. I would be very excited if the Bengals got him. He was great with the Eagles, and the Vikings have for the most part looked good with him this year as well. The Eagles are really struggling this year without him and Frank Reich

[Bob Sheed]

30 years of Mike Brown's nonsense tells me it's already going to be Hue. Is there some place that offers odds on this sort of thing? Because this one is as predictable as a slow storm rolling in.

[CTA513]

Kasim Edebali is 29 and had 1 tackle (assist) in 13 games last season.




Bengals put LB Preston Brown on IR, sign DE Kasim Edebali, make 3 more moves

linebacker Preston Brown placed on injured reserve. The team signed free agent defensive end Kasim Edebali to take Brown’s spot on the 53-man roster.


The Bengals also signed wide receiver Hunter Sharp and defensive end Aaron Wallace to the practice squad, and placed rookie defensive end Andrew Brown on the practice squad/injured list.


https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/11/20/18105369/bengals-preston-brown-kasim-edebali-aaron-wallace-hunter-sharp-nfl-news

[WVRed]

John Defilippo is probably best case for the Bengals. I would be very excited if the Bengals got him. He was great with the Eagles, and the Vikings have for the most part looked good with him this year as well. The Eagles are really struggling this year without him and Frank Reich

He’s going to have his pick of openings. My money is on Green Bay.

There’s a possibility that Cleveland, Cincinnati, and Baltimore all have new coaches next season. That said, it’ll probably be Marvin again next year.

[CTA513]

I wonder how this will go over with Lewis:




Bengals' Joe Mixon: 'I'm tired of playing not to lose'

"I'm tired of playing not to lose, rather than playing to win," he said, via Elise Jesse of WLWT-TV in Cincinnati.
"We just got to go out there, and we got to go win. We've just got to do it instead of just keep talking about it. Just go put it out there and go win."


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000991556/article/bengals-joe-mixon-im-tired-of-playing-not-to-lose

[GAC]

So who wins the first showdown in this epic "Battle of Ohio"? LOL

If you asked me this question a month ago I'd easily would say Bengals. Now I'm not so sure. I think the Browns can walk away with a W here. The Bengal's defense has been depleted by injury, and losing LBer Brown hurts further. The Brown's offense has played well this season, but has really come alive under Williams and Kitchens. Mayfield played well against Atlanta and Kansas City, who rank #29 and #32 in pass defense. The Bengals are #31 there.

But on the other side of the coin the Brown's defensive play has been erratic this year, and quite disappointing. They're young, have had their moments, but still not anywhere near where they want to be. Neither one of these teams have much to brag about when it comes to rush defense, so I expect Mixon and Chubbs to both do their thing (LOL).

[KoryMac5]

Washington to IR...11th Bengal placed on IR this season. Beat writers said it's the worst season for injuries since they have been here.

[Bob Sheed]

At this point in the season, the Browns are the better team. The Bengals may set team records for the worst defense of all time, and their offense is bottom 3rd w/o AJ Green.

[KoryMac5]

I would hope they hold AJ out for one more game but I think he will try to go tomorrow, if he can't hopefully we get a heavy dose of Mixon.


Update: ESPN reports he is not expected to play.

[Kingspoint]

I am totally fantasizing, but I would love to see Dalton throw for 4 TD's and 350 yds. Luck will.

[CTA513]

Guarantee you nothing happens.

Went about how I expected it to go.
Burfict not doing anything about it is what people are using as evidence that Yanda didn't spit on him.




Ravens' Marshal Yanda not fined for alleged spitting incident

Ravens guard Marshal Yanda was not fined by the NFL after allegations surfaced that he spit on Cincinnati Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict, a league source said Saturday.


http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/25367029/marshal-yanda-baltimore-ravens-not-fined-allegations-spit-cincinnati-bengals-lb-vontaze-burfict

[KoryMac5]

Marvin moves Burfict to MLB...

Cordy Glenn and Dre both inactive.

[Redsfaithful]

Tough to see the Bengals winning today.

[Bob Sheed]

Welll... now that the NFL has turned Burfict into Reek from Game of Thrones, let's move him to MLB.

[ScotlandRed]

Be interesting to see opponent punt % vs the Bengals. It just never happens anymore.

[ScotlandRed]

Why make Bulloxk try and kick that when he does not have the leg? They went for it on 4th down from about the same spot a few plays earlier. Go for it or punt. Awful decision.

[The Operator]

What in the absolute hell was Marvin thinking going for a 54 yard field goal with Bullock right there? 0% chance that that would work out.

Either punt or just go for it. That was completely inept decision making, not that I'm surprised.

[The Operator]

Well that was quick. Give them a short field and The Browns move with ease against this historically awful defense.

14-0

[The Operator]

Pretty uninspired playcalling so far.

This has the feeling of a blowout in the making.

[Chip R]

Well played, Browns. Well played. Firing Hue was a genius move not just because of the bsd coaching thing but for knowing the Bengals would hire him and make them worse Well done.

[The Operator]

Defense continues to give up huge 3rd and long conversions.

[Reds Fanatic]

Just awful I am here at this disaster. I never thought I would see anything worse than the Saints game and this may be worse. This team will not win another game this season


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[The Operator]

Lol on that third touchdown.

Had him stopped well short of the end zone and Browns just shove the Bengals defenders back and push the ball carrier in along with them.


This is full blown emasculation occurring at PBS today.

[UKFlounder]

Marvin the defensive genius.

[GAC]

21- 0 Browns. I can't believe they finally got tight ends working in this offense again!

[Hillsdale87]

The bright side is that you've got to think there will be a coaching change at the end of the season... The downside is that the new coach will probably be the one who didn't know how to coach the team that is currently blowing the Bengals out


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[Redsfaithful]

I said this on Twitter, but why would anyone buy season tickets for this team? If you have them now, why would you renew?

They've been nowhere near selling out this year, and today it looks like half Browns fans.

Marvin will leave this year, but it's going to be Hue next. And if it's not Hue, it's not as if they are going to go get a name, or give a GM full control, or start spending on free agents, or be aggressive in the way you need to be in a modern sports league.

[The Operator]

Hahaha and now an interception.

The only reason I'm even still watching is sheer morbid curiosity. What an awful team, awful coach and awful franchise owned by the worst executive in professional sports.

[The Operator]

I said this on Twitter, but why would anyone buy season tickets for this team? If you have them now, why would you renew?

They've been nowhere near selling out this year, and today it looks like half Browns fans.

Marvin will leave this year, but it's going to be Hue next. And if it's not Hue, it's not as if they are going to go get a name, or give a GM full control, or start spending on free agents, or be aggressive in the way you need to be in a modern sports league.
Agree with every word of this.


Any chance that Mike Brown is trying to lose in order to move the team? I wouldn't put anything past him.

[Redsfaithful]

He will probably be dead before they can move, the lease goes through 2026. He's 83.

But I've thought for a while they're going to leave when that lease is up. Best case scenario would be that Katie wants to sell when he dies, and sells to someone competent, but what are the odds?

[The Operator]

He will probably be dead before they can move, the lease goes through 2026. He's 83.

There's no legalese they can pull to wiggle out of it though?

I know it's right out of Major League, but what f attendance dropped below a certain level?

[KoryMac5]

Nightmare scenario: fire Marv and then Hue goes on a 2 game winning streak and gets a 5 yr deal....

[The Operator]

Marvin is gonna challenge the spot and lose a timeout in the process.

[KoryMac5]

When does spring training start...When is the draft...

Life of a Bengals fan.

[Redsfaithful]

There's no legalese they can pull to wiggle out of it though?

I know it's right out of Major League, but what f attendance dropped below a certain level?

That's true, I assume the lease is viewable since it's with the county, but then we just went through this here with the Columbus Crew where nobody with local media had actually ever read their lease.

[Bob Sheed]

Up Next:

Huuuuuuuuuuuuue:alcohol:

[The Operator]

Geno Atkins dropping into coverage? Hmm.

[The Operator]

Lol second week in a row they've had an opposing receiver win a physical battle for the ball to score a TD.

28-0

[CTA513]

28-0 Browns

284 yards of offense for the Browns.

Marvin Lewis is still head coach.

:laugh:

[Reds Fanatic]

28-0 Browns

284 yards of offense for the Browns.

Marvin Lewis is still head coach.

:laugh:

I would fire Marvin at halftime. At this point I would rather forfeit the rest of the season then watch this team play 5 more games


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[Redsfaithful]

Tough to think they had Mike Zimmer in house and ready to be a head coach.

[KoryMac5]

Tough to think they had Mike Zimmer in house and ready to be a head coach.

We all like Zimmer but the common theme that has held the team back has always been Mike Brown...I doubt Zimmer would have made much of a difference but given 15 yrs he may have.

[The Operator]

A Bengals touchdown. I think I'll wet my pants.

[KoryMac5]

All John Ross does is...

Catch TD's

[The Operator]

What the hell was that kickoff about?

Guarantee you The Browns drive for at least a field goal.

[The Operator]

Or maybe not.

Either way, a 28-7 deficit heading to halftime.

[CTA513]

Time of possession for the 1st half:

Browns: 20:16
Bengals: 09:44

[The Operator]

And there's the blown snap turning the ball over to Cleveland deep in the red zone.

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And now Dalton's hurt

[ScotlandRed]

End zone coverage disgraceful at best. Dalton out. Season done.

[The Operator]

35-7


Lol

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5-11 looking more and more likely every single snap.

[dubc47834]

Hate to see a player get seriously hurt!

[Bob Sheed]

Well, everyone was right about one thing:

Hue Jackson really made a huge difference against his former team.

[KoryMac5]

Bengals looking like an expansion team...

McRae strapped to a stretcher...

Dalton hurt...

Jake Fisher is out...

[WrongVerb]

Early injury report for next week lists as doubtful for the Bengals: Team Pride

[KoryMac5]

This team tuned Marv out about 8 yrs ago...

[RiverRat13]

All the ingredients are there for a 90s like streak of Bengals futility. Marvin needs to go but no up and coming coach will want this job.

[The Operator]

I think they've pretty clearly quit.

Honestly though, can you blame the players? If you played for Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown wouldn't you quit too?

[WrongVerb]

Even in the best years, Marvin was the problem. His best quality is identifying talented players. I said years ago that the team was winning in spite of Marvin, because their talent level was so high. Injuries have taken the overall talent level of this team down a notch, and Marvin (and his assistants) aren't good enough to overcome that.

It's time for all new coaching staff. I disagree that good head coaches won't want the job. The team has a solid base. But whoever is brought in will rightly demand a lot of control.

Hopefully the team fires Marvin this week, gives Hue the interim job, then jettisons him at the end of the year.

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I think they've pretty clearly quit.

Honestly though, can you blame the players? If you played for Marvin Lewis and Mike Brown wouldn't you quit too?

Mixon said it this week: the team needs to stop playing not to lose.

[KoryMac5]

Lost in the shuffle another game with 0 sacks...lot of money being paid to Dunlap and Atkins.

[The Operator]

Denzel Ward with a serious cheap shot against Uzomah.


That should get him suspended or at the very least heavily fined. That was garbage.

[The Operator]

Illegal snap?

Boy this team always has something up their sleeve.

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John Ross continues to be awful.

[The Operator]

Genard Avery keeps The Bengals drive alive with a roughing penalty eerily similar to Kimo back in the day.

[The Operator]

And Bullock misses the extra point. Lord help 'em.

[KoryMac5]

This game was over after the first quarter..Browns playing soft now to make it close.

[The Operator]

All of these false starts at home. Wow.

[The Operator]

And another false start.

[The Operator]

Welp that oughta do it.

5-6 in a little over 3 more minutes of game clock.

[CTA513]

Hard to play against a defense and offensive line at the same time.

[WrongVerb]

In other news, Jake Elliott just hit another likely game winning field goal for the Eagles.

[Redsfaithful]

Tate out there making circus catches but couldn't get on the field last week.

[Chip R]

And another false start.

Must be one of those new wrinkles Hue put in.

[RedTeamGo!]

All the ingredients are there for a 90s like streak of Bengals futility. Marvin needs to go but no up and coming coach will want this job.

Why not? They would have their pick of a 1st round QB to grow with.

Bengals need to fire Lewis, tank the rest of the season, and draft Dwayne Haskins with their first pick.

[WVRed]

Why not? They would have their pick of a 1st round QB to grow with.

Bengals need to fire Lewis, tank the rest of the season, and draft Dwayne Haskins with their first pick.

I haven’t seen anything about Haskins coming out for the draft, let alone being considered for the first round.

This draft is a sucky one for QBs. Will Grier and Drew Lock are probably the only sure fire first rounders. The QB from Duke maybe.

[RedTeamGo!]

I haven’t seen anything about Haskins coming out for the draft, let alone being considered for the first round.

This draft is a sucky one for QBs. Will Grier and Drew Lock are probably the only sure fire first rounders. The QB from Duke maybe.

If Haskins declares he will easily be a first round pick.

[WrongVerb]

I haven’t seen anything about Haskins coming out for the draft, let alone being considered for the first round.

This draft is a sucky one for QBs. Will Grier and Drew Lock are probably the only sure fire first rounders. The QB from Duke maybe.

Don't sleep on Brett Rypien (nephew of Mark).

[KoryMac5]

At some point you have to think about QB...I would be on board for a 1st or 2nd day selection.

[WVRed]

If Haskins declares he will easily be a first round pick.

Not saying he won’t, just saying there hasn’t been any talk of him coming out.

Myself, I think he needs another year to where he could move into the top 5. That said, he would likely be competing with Tua and Fromm.

[ScotlandRed]

Really like Jake Fromm out of Georgie but he will have at least one more college year left after this.

[RedTeamGo!]

Not saying he won’t, just saying there hasn’t been any talk of him coming out.

Myself, I think he needs another year to where he could move into the top 5. That said, he would likely be competing with Tua and Fromm.

Haskins just broke like every single season Big Ten record and has an excellent completion %. He would be crazy to stay another year.

[Bob Sheed]

BREAKING NEWS: Marvin Lewis fired up about how hard they tried today.

:lastyear::rockband::thisyear:

[Ohayou]

I've seen Haskins projected as high as the Top 10, although I've also heard he might stay another year. It's a really weak QB class, TBH. Lock may be the first off the board, but I'm not sure he's a cant-miss prospect. He's had 3-4 games against legit competition this year where he looked pretty bad. If they can get Haskins, do it, if not, Ryan Finley may be a guy to look at if he slips out of the 1st round.

[WVRed]

Really like Jake Fromm out of Georgie but he will have at least one more college year left after this.

That’s what I said earlier. He, Tua, and possibly Haskins will be the class of 2020.

[Assembly Hall]

I feel sorry for you guys...I really, really do.

[WVRed]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20181126/09821a3d87465664794ea76dc1861dbc.jpg

[RiverRat13]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/11/25/18111115/hue-jackson-bengals-head-coach-marvin-lewis-nfl-rumors

[WrongVerb]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/11/25/18111115/hue-jackson-bengals-head-coach-marvin-lewis-nfl-rumors

http://www.nooooooooooooooo.com/vader.jpg

[Sea Ray]

https://www.cincyjungle.com/2018/11/25/18111115/hue-jackson-bengals-head-coach-marvin-lewis-nfl-rumors

Yeah, at this time last yr Marvin was fired according to reports. I don't believe these reports especially where Mike Brown is concerned. I could be wrong but I think the Brown family knows its meager attendance would pretty much vanish if they did this

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I feel sorry for you guys...I really, really do.

We've been through worse. In fact we're used to this

[RiverRat13]

I could be wrong but I think the Brown family knows its meager attendance would pretty much vanish if they did this

One would hope. But if they were tuned in to their fan base, they would have fired Marvin long ago. Mike Brown thinks little of Bengal fans and honestly believes he knows what he's doing.

[The Operator]

Mike Brown thinks little of Bengal fans

One of the truest statements ever made.

[Stray]

I'd usually be bummed to be so busy with work and family that I've missed the last month of Bengals games, but seeing how they've gone I consider myself fortunate heh.

[Redsfaithful]

I could be wrong but I think the Brown family knows its meager attendance would pretty much vanish if they did this

You would think, but they don't operate logically.

No quality coordinator would come to a Hue Jackson staff, good coaches in general would stay away. I'd rather keep Marvin.

Crazy, a couple of years ago I wouldn't have been enthused by Hue Jackson being head coach, but I could have talked myself into it. Now, it's tough to imagine worse outcomes.

Cincinnati should have a parade when Mike Brown dies.

[The Operator]

Cincinnati should have a parade when Mike Brown dies.
Will things under Katie be any better?

I suppose if we hope she'll hire football people and stay out of the way unlike her father.

[Bob Sheed]

The fact that there are Bengals fans under the age of 40 baffles me. They haven't won a playoff game since 1990. 28 years.

Of course, the same could be said about Bengals fans over the age of 40. Don't you know better by now?

Yesterday it was the Browns vs the Charlie Browns.

Next weekend it's the Broncos vs the Donkeys.

And just when you think the Bengals can't sink any lower, Hue is waiting in the on deck circle. ...Because of how successful he's been as a head coach. And respect of course. He's a "leader of men". Just ask the Browns players.

[RedTeamGo!]

That’s what I said earlier. He, Tua, and possibly Haskins will be the class of 2020.

Rumors out of columbus/OSU = he’s going pro this year.

[Cooper]

Idk a lot about football. Looking at college stats is like looking at Pacific Coast League stats that are inflated and you have to adjust for the inflation in a huge way.

My concern about Haskins is that he hasn't had enough reps in reading defenses (the 10K rule?). His delivery is a little long and he makes the right read but i would think one would have to adjust for the amount of time in the pocket - he won't have 6 seconds in the pro's.

I watched the Oklahoma QB - i think he is sophmore - and they run the RPO (can a team keep its QB from getting killed running that stuff - maybe in the new NFL they can) and he does it so well. His talent is amazing. Is he coming out early and does he have enough reps?

[Ren Deagle]

I used to work for a property management company years ago. We used to talk about some of the owners of the properties having "old man syndrome." This meant that the owner never wanted anything changed, and always insisted on the cheapest kind of repairs.

I think this describes Mike Brown and the Bengals pretty well

[kaldaniels]

I like to think I have a solid grasp of the universe, you know, the basics.

If the Bengals hire Hue Jackson as HC I will have to re-evaluate. Surely advisors/media/fans would cause such a stink that it won't come to fruition.

[Assembly Hall]

The fact that there are Bengals fans under the age of 40 baffles me. They haven't won a playoff game since 1990. 28 years.

Of course, the same could be said about Bengals fans over the age of 40. Don't you know better by now?

Yesterday it was the Browns vs the Charlie Browns.

Next weekend it's the Broncos vs the Donkeys.

And just when you think the Bengals can't sink any lower, Hue is waiting in the on deck circle. ...Because of how successful he's been as a head coach. And respect of course. He's a "leader of men". Just ask the Browns players.

You know your post got me to thinking. I am 51, know a lot of people. Plenty of my friends are Reds fans...but not a one is a Bengal fan. You would think I would know just one personally. Nada. Colts, Lions, Bears, Vikings, Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, and Browns.....not one Bengal fan. Hmmmmm

[WVRed]

Idk a lot about football. Looking at college stats is like looking at Pacific Coast League stats that are inflated and you have to adjust for the inflation in a huge way.

My concern about Haskins is that he hasn't had enough reps in reading defenses (the 10K rule?). His delivery is a little long and he makes the right read but i would think one would have to adjust for the amount of time in the pocket - he won't have 6 seconds in the pro's.

I watched the Oklahoma QB - i think he is sophmore - and they run the RPO (can a team keep its QB from getting killed running that stuff - maybe in the new NFL they can) and he does it so well. His talent is amazing. Is he coming out early and does he have enough reps?

If you are talking about Kyler Murray, he’s 5’10 and is more likely to play baseball. He was drafted in the first round by the A’s.

He reminds me of Russell Wilson.


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[RedTeamGo!]

Idk a lot about football. Looking at college stats is like looking at Pacific Coast League stats that are inflated and you have to adjust for the inflation in a huge way.

My concern about Haskins is that he hasn't had enough reps in reading defenses (the 10K rule?). His delivery is a little long and he makes the right read but i would think one would have to adjust for the amount of time in the pocket - he won't have 6 seconds in the pro's.

I watched the Oklahoma QB - i think he is sophmore - and they run the RPO (can a team keep its QB from getting killed running that stuff - maybe in the new NFL they can) and he does it so well. His talent is amazing. Is he coming out early and does he have enough reps?

The Oklahoma QB is going to be playing CF for the Oakland Athletics. He was drafted in the top 10 last MLB draft and they agreed to let him play this football season.

[Assembly Hall]

If you are talking about Kyler Murray, he’s 5’10 and is more likely to play baseball. He was drafted in the first round by the A’s.

He reminds me of Russell Wilson.


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I do believe he has already signed a contract with the A's?

[WVRed]

I do believe he has already signed a contract with the A's?

Yes.

[membengal]

Ah yes, nothing better than wandering in here to see more posts from people trash-talking those who remain fans for being fans. That gets old, frankly. Since you are so enlightened, maybe take that **** elsewhere?

[Sea Ray]

You would think, but they don't operate logically.

No quality coordinator would come to a Hue Jackson staff, good coaches in general would stay away. I'd rather keep Marvin.

Crazy, a couple of years ago I wouldn't have been enthused by Hue Jackson being head coach, but I could have talked myself into it. Now, it's tough to imagine worse outcomes.

Cincinnati should have a parade when Mike Brown dies.

We'll see. I do think MB has learned a few things. Time will tell whether I'm overestimating him. I honestly think he knows better than replacing Marvin with Hue. This isn't three yrs ago when they were riding high after 5 straight playoff appearances

[Sea Ray]

This is not a problem that can be solved by drafting a QB. A new signal caller is far down on the list of needs for this team. I'd start with O linemen, LBs, another WR that can play AND stay healthy, TE, then a QB.

They also need a creative Offensive play caller. Our plays are pure vanilla while other coordinators are running misdirections, fakes and picks designed to get players open. There's no such trickery here

[Redsfaithful]

The fact that there are Bengals fans under the age of 40 baffles me. They haven't won a playoff game since 1990. 28 years.

I'm 37 and they went to the Super Bowl when I was 7, how was I supposed to get away from that?

[membengal]

I'm 37 and they went to the Super Bowl when I was 7, how was I supposed to get away from that?

You are not, and bob sheed should stop coming in here and, in essence, making fun of people for being fans. It's crap form, and it's old.

[Redsfaithful]

You are not, and bob sheed should stop coming in here and, in essence, making fun of people for being fans. It's crap form, and it's old.

Agree.

For anyone reading who really is confused - it's not as if the people who have opted out are super woke about the Bengals and the fans who stay just don't get it. I'm fully aware of the state of the franchise and what it means to love a team owned by Mike Brown. I think most all fans get it.

In the end, man, it's entertainment. I have actually been upset about this team I think twice in the last 8 years - the playoff game against the Chargers and the playoff game against the Steelers. I don't even feel bad about either even though I think as an adult you should really try not to let sports ruin your day. But you know, even that Steelers game, in a warped way is the best part of sports.

I can talk to any Bengals fan for the rest of my life who experienced that and we have a mutual understanding. It's fun to care about something that doesn't actually matter whatsoever, and I feel bad for people who don't, because it's an outlet. What's actually sad, in my opinion, is when apathy fully sets in and you actually don't care anymore, which is where I am with the Reds. I would much rather care.

[Bob Sheed]

For the record, I'm not making fun of anybody. Just honestly questioning how/why anyone would root for this franchise. Myself included.

Some of you here go way back to the footballhuddles days. So you are well aware. Winning has never been a top priority for Mike Brown, and until the past 5 or 10 years, it hasn't been a priority at all.

Even now, winning takes a back seat to loyalty. Hiring Hue Jackson? The guy has been a colossal failure for how many years now? What does he bring to the table? What does Lewis bring to the table?

I am not entertained by games like Sundays. Teams that have winning as their top priority are as obvious as those who don't. Some teams find a way. Other teams find a way to make excuses.
And none of this is anything new. The Bengals have been the red headed step child of the Steelers for 50 years. Only the names change.

Parity in the NFL brings marginal success to even the Bengals. But most of the time, they're just the Washington Generals to the NFLs Globetrotters.

Imagine going to a Globetrotters game and earnestly rooting for the Generals. Hoping they do well. And being disappointed when they don't. Year after year.

And now it's Hues turn? Why? Marvin wasn't mediocre enough?

In my younger days, I used to say when Mike Brown dies, I'm throwing a party. Age and experience has changed my mind there. I wish nothing but the best, including a long, healthy happy life for every good person out there. And I do believe Mike Brown is a good person.
I just want him to take his money making somewhere else, and we'll find plenty of better uses for the stadium downtown, our tax dollars, and more importantly, our time as football fans.

[Ohayou]

This is not a problem that can be solved by drafting a QB. A new signal caller is far down on the list of needs for this team. I'd start with O linemen, LBs, another WR that can play AND stay healthy, TE, then a QB.

They also need a creative Offensive play caller. Our plays are pure vanilla while other coordinators are running misdirections, fakes and picks designed to get players open. There's no such trickery here

IDK, Mahomes has been prettay prettay good with the Chiefs. Alex Smith with the same guys played like an MVP last year, while Mahomes is playing like the greatest ever. I agree, though, beef up that O-line. Every single year, continue to add depth/talent. Pretty much all these top teams have solid O-lines. Look at the difference a few guys have made for the Colts. Luck was sacked once yesterday. Prior to that, I believe he hadn't been sacked for like 5-6 straight weeks.

We definitely need another WR opposite of Green, but I believe that's a position we can fill in the mid-later rounds. There are a few guys I like next year, like Kelvin Harmon, N'Keal Harry, Marquise Brown, and Deebo Samuel, but unless Green decides not to come back, they probably won't look for one in the 1st round. TJ Vasher is another freak WR (6'6" and can fly) we should draft just for this catch alone:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDW83c8ZgmY

[membengal]

For the record, I'm not making fun of anybody. Just honestly questioning how/why anyone would root for this franchise. Myself included.

Some of you here go way back to the footballhuddles days. So you are well aware. Winning has never been a top priority for Mike Brown, and until the past 5 or 10 years, it hasn't been a priority at all.

Even now, winning takes a back seat to loyalty. Hiring Hue Jackson? The guy has been a colossal failure for how many years now? What does he bring to the table? What does Lewis bring to the table?

I am not entertained by games like Sundays. Teams that have winning as their top priority are as obvious as those who don't. Some teams find a way. Other teams find a way to make excuses.
And none of this is anything new. The Bengals have been the red headed step child of the Steelers for 50 years. Only the names change.

Parity in the NFL brings marginal success to even the Bengals. But most of the time, they're just the Washington Generals to the NFLs Globetrotters.

Imagine going to a Globetrotters game and earnestly rooting for the Generals. Hoping they do well. And being disappointed when they don't. Year after year.

And now it's Hues turn? Why? Marvin wasn't mediocre enough?

In my younger days, I used to say when Mike Brown dies, I'm throwing a party. Age and experience has changed my mind there. I wish nothing but the best, including a long, healthy happy life for every good person out there. And I do believe Mike Brown is a good person.
I just want him to take his money making somewhere else, and we'll find plenty of better uses for the stadium downtown, our tax dollars, and more importantly, our time as football fans.

Fine. Then, seriously, take it somewhere else. This is a Bengals thread for those of us who remain. I would not try and convince you that you should continue being a fan, but you have come into these parts WAY too much to pretty much tool on those of us who remain fans. Enough.

[RedTeamGo!]

Fine. Then, seriously, take it somewhere else. This is a Bengals thread for those of us who remain. I would not try and convince you that you should continue being a fan, but you have come into these parts WAY too much to pretty much tool on those of us who remain fans. Enough.

You could also just put him on ignore.

I have had a lot of run-ins with Bob in other parts of the forum, but I appreciate some of his views on the bengals. He’s wrong to be envious of the browns, but he writes some interesting stuff.

[membengal]

You could also just put him on ignore.

I have had a lot of run-ins with Bob in other parts of the forum, but I appreciate some of his views on the bengals. He’s wrong to be envious of the browns, but he writes some interesting stuff.

Whatever. This would be like someone coming into Browns fans threads over the years and asking "how can you still be fans". It's crap. It's unwelcome. It's unnecessary. Take it somewhere else.

[WVRed]

Agree.

For anyone reading who really is confused - it's not as if the people who have opted out are super woke about the Bengals and the fans who stay just don't get it. I'm fully aware of the state of the franchise and what it means to love a team owned by Mike Brown. I think most all fans get it.

In the end, man, it's entertainment. I have actually been upset about this team I think twice in the last 8 years - the playoff game against the Chargers and the playoff game against the Steelers. I don't even feel bad about either even though I think as an adult you should really try not to let sports ruin your day. But you know, even that Steelers game, in a warped way is the best part of sports.

I can talk to any Bengals fan for the rest of my life who experienced that and we have a mutual understanding. It's fun to care about something that doesn't actually matter whatsoever, and I feel bad for people who don't, because it's an outlet. What's actually sad, in my opinion, is when apathy fully sets in and you actually don't care anymore, which is where I am with the Reds. I would much rather care.

Agree wholeheartedly.

I’m younger than you are by four years so I don’t remember the Super Bowls against San Francisco, but I grew up in northeastern Kentucky where the Bengals was the local team of choice. I did pull for the Browns only because Tim Couch was the QB at the time but even then I wasn’t fully into it.

With the exception being this year because of UKs football success, football as a whole has always been preseason for basketball for me. I’m kinda at the point with the Bengals where apathy has set in and I don’t care as much. I work every Sunday so it’s watch highlights or DVR unless they play prime time.

If I were to “find another team”, who would I pull for? The Browns and Steelers are obviously out of the question, and living in WV the Steelers are pretty much the local team. I’d almost just prefer to quit watching altogether.

[Bob Sheed]

Fine. Then, seriously, take it somewhere else. This is a Bengals thread for those of us who remain. I would not try and convince you that you should continue being a fan, but you have come into these parts WAY too much to pretty much tool on those of us who remain fans. Enough.

The Bengals are an embarrassment. An embarrassment to Cincinnati. An embarrassment to their fans. You can "love it or leave it" all you want, but it doesn't change what the Bengals are.

I give them praise for things they do well.
And criticism when they dont.
Which is "usually."

Go start a "only positive stuff about the Bengals" thread if you want. And/or ignore me. You seem to be able to ignore quite a bit of the obvious, so that should be easy for you.

P.S. look at the title of this thread if you have any questions.

[Boston Red]

Whatever. This would be like someone coming into Browns fans threads over the years and asking "how can you still be fans". It's crap. It's unwelcome. It's unnecessary. Take it somewhere else.

I would completely agree with this sentiment were this Bengalszone.

[membengal]

I would completely agree with this sentiment were this Bengalszone.

It's a Bengals thread. Sheed isn't in here to discuss Bengals, he's in here to piss on people who are still fans. That's crap. I am not "positive only" Bengals guy, he can try and spin my pointed criticisms of what he is doing that way, but that's also crap. By the way, there IS a bengalszone, and it is rightly vicious in its criticism of the Bengals. What it does NOT have, is people who swing by and ask constantly "WHY ARE YOU STILL FANS AND NOT AS ENLIGHTENED AS ME, A FORMER FAN, YOU SHOULD BE LIKE ME, A FORMER FAN" which is his shtik here. I have been trying to get Marvin fired since the end of the 2007 season. Marvin sucks out loud. Mike Brown sucks out loud. But Bob's not interested in that, he's interested in making people feel like **** because they are still fans. And, yes, I am happy to call that out. He can take that crap elsewhere.

[Sea Ray]

IDK, Mahomes has been prettay prettay good with the Chiefs. Alex Smith with the same guys played like an MVP last year, while Mahomes is playing like the greatest ever. I agree, though, beef up that O-line. Every single year, continue to add depth/talent. Pretty much all these top teams have solid O-lines. Look at the difference a few guys have made for the Colts. Luck was sacked once yesterday. Prior to that, I believe he hadn't been sacked for like 5-6 straight weeks.

We definitely need another WR opposite of Green, but I believe that's a position we can fill in the mid-later rounds. There are a few guys I like next year, like Kelvin Harmon, N'Keal Harry, Marquise Brown, and Deebo Samuel, but unless Green decides not to come back, they probably won't look for one in the 1st round. TJ Vasher is another freak WR (6'6" and can fly) we should draft just for this catch alone:



Put Mahomes behind this line and throw to John Ross instead of Tyreek Hill and you think things would be much better? I sure don't

[Sea Ray]

The Bengals are an embarrassment. An embarrassment to Cincinnati. An embarrassment to their fans. You can "love it or leave it" all you want, but it doesn't change what the Bengals are.

I give them praise for things they do well.
And criticism when they dont.
Which is "usually."

Go start a "only positive stuff about the Bengals" thread if you want. And/or ignore me. You seem to be able to ignore quite a bit of the obvious, so that should be easy for you.

P.S. look at the title of this thread if you have any questions.

The Bengals are no more an embarrassment to Cin than the Reds are and we're all huge Reds fans

[Boston Red]

What it does NOT have, is people who swing by and ask constantly "WHY ARE YOU STILL FANS AND NOT AS ENLIGHTENED AS ME, A FORMER FAN, YOU SHOULD BE LIKE ME, A FORMER FAN"

Right, Bengalszone shouldn't have that. If that's what someone on Redszone wants to say in a discussion about Bengals and their fans, I don't really see the issue, though. Much as a Michigan fan should be free to dump on Ohio State in the Ohio State thread here but not at Bucknuts.

JMO, though.

[WVRed]

Can we stop with the pissing match and get back to waiting for the Bengals to do something right?

[Boston Red]

Can we stop with the pissing match and get back to waiting for the Bengals to do something right?

That's likely to be a long wait. Why not have a pissing match in the meantime. :)

[Sea Ray]

Can we stop with the pissing match and get back to waiting for the Bengals to do something right?

Pissing matches are what social media is all about these days. Where've you been?

[Ohayou]

Put Mahomes behind this line and throw to John Ross instead of Tyreek Hill and you think things would be much better? I sure don't

Better now? Maybe, maybe not. For the next 10+ years, definitely. Dalton will play out the rest of his contract, in all likelihood. I'm fine with that, but if a team like the Jags are desperate enough to trade a king's ransom for him, I'm certainly not opposed to listening to what they have to offer.

[Sea Ray]

Better now? Maybe, maybe not. For the next 10+ years, definitely. Dalton will play out the rest of his contract, in all likelihood. I'm fine with that, but if a team like the Jags are desperate enough to trade a king's ransom for him, I'm certainly not opposed to listening to what they have to offer.

I would have much rather the Bengals drafted Mahomes instead of John Ross but my point is unless they upgrade at other positions it really won't matter much

[membengal]

Right, Bengalszone shouldn't have that. If that's what someone on Redszone wants to say in a discussion about Bengals and their fans, I don't really see the issue, though. Much as a Michigan fan should be free to dump on Ohio State in the Ohio State thread here but not at Bucknuts.

JMO, though.

I'm not down with that. I would never go onto a dedicated thread on this board and crap on fans there. It's really poor form.

[bucksfan2]

I would have much rather the Bengals drafted Mahomes instead of John Ross but my point is unless they upgrade at other positions it really won't matter much

That was never an option. There wasn't a reason to draft Mahomes at the time, and at the time Mahomes was drafted it wasn't exactly lauded as a great pick. I wish the Bengals had gone OL or LB instead of Ross, but QB was never a legit option.

[WVRed]

That was never an option. There wasn't a reason to draft Mahomes at the time, and at the time Mahomes was drafted it wasn't exactly lauded as a great pick. I wish the Bengals had gone OL or LB instead of Ross, but QB was never a legit option.

He was taken ahead of DeShaun Watson and that pick got the most praise before his ACL injury.

I want the Bengals to draft a QB to replace Dalton, whether it’s now or the next three years. That said, I don’t want this current regime having anything to do with it.

Marvin and Hue have both had their time with Palmer and Dalton, let a new coach bring in their QB.

[Ohayou]

Just like Margus Hunt, they were too enamored with Ross' combine numbers, and reached hard. JuJu/Kupp were clearly much more polished/experienced college receievers. Unless you have a sure thing like AJ/Julio, I'm almost always against drafting a WR that early. Just look at all the 1st round duds of the last few years. The Bengals thought they were filling a position of need, and the initial reactions to the pick were positive, I believe, but when you look at the board and see that the unanimous #1 CB prospect is still there, you should probably hold off on drafting a WR until later.

I was a big fan of Mahomes then, but I don't think too many people expected him to go in the Top 10. Watson went two picks after him, and a lot of people at least considered the possibility of the Browns drafting him #1 overall.

[Todd Gack]

For the record, I'm not making fun of anybody. Just honestly questioning how/why anyone would root for this franchise. Myself included.

Some of you here go way back to the footballhuddles days. So you are well aware. Winning has never been a top priority for Mike Brown, and until the past 5 or 10 years, it hasn't been a priority at all.

Even now, winning takes a back seat to loyalty. Hiring Hue Jackson? The guy has been a colossal failure for how many years now? What does he bring to the table? What does Lewis bring to the table?

I am not entertained by games like Sundays. Teams that have winning as their top priority are as obvious as those who don't. Some teams find a way. Other teams find a way to make excuses.
And none of this is anything new. The Bengals have been the red headed step child of the Steelers for 50 years. Only the names change.

Parity in the NFL brings marginal success to even the Bengals. But most of the time, they're just the Washington Generals to the NFLs Globetrotters.

Imagine going to a Globetrotters game and earnestly rooting for the Generals. Hoping they do well. And being disappointed when they don't. Year after year.

And now it's Hues turn? Why? Marvin wasn't mediocre enough?

In my younger days, I used to say when Mike Brown dies, I'm throwing a party. Age and experience has changed my mind there. I wish nothing but the best, including a long, healthy happy life for every good person out there. And I do believe Mike Brown is a good person.
I just want him to take his money making somewhere else, and we'll find plenty of better uses for the stadium downtown, our tax dollars, and more importantly, our time as football fans.

I basically made the same post a few weeks ago. I used to be a hardcore Bengals fan. HARDCORE. Went to 2-3 games every year and dedicated 3-4 hours every Sunday to the cause. But it didn't take long to realize where this franchise is heading. I just never understood why people continue to support a franchise that neither cares about them as a fan or consumer. Mike Brown doesn't want to win. Period. He never has. He never will. And it annoys me that people continue to pour out money to a franchise that doesn't care about you.

[Todd Gack]

The Bengals are no more an embarrassment to Cin than the Reds are and we're all huge Reds fans

The Reds and BobCast is just incompetent. He wants to win. . . he's just terrible at it.

[traderumor]

There is a huge difference between not wanting to win and not knowing how to win. One is insidious for a professional sports owner, the other is incompetence. I think its the latter.

As for the Head Coach, it is wheel spinning, which I honestly think is worse than just flat out being awful.

[membengal]

There is a huge difference between not wanting to win and not knowing how to win. One is insidious for a professional sports owner, the other is incompetence. I think its the latter.

As for the Head Coach, it is wheel spinning, which I honestly think is worse than just flat out being awful.

There's simply no real hope, ever, with him still in place. It is soul-draining.

[WVRed]

Tom Savage anyone?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/11/26/bengals-block-tom-savages-return-to-the-49ers/

And Dalton is officially out for the season. 5-11 looking very possible.

[Reds Fanatic]

torn ligaments in the thumb for Dalton. Have not heard yet if it will require surgery or not. This is his 2nd IR trip in the last 4 years both for hand injuries attempting to recover a bad snap/fumble.

[WVRed]

torn ligaments in the thumb for Dalton. Have not heard yet if it will require surgery or not. This is his 2nd IR trip in the last 4 years both for hand injuries attempting to recover a bad snap/fumble.

2015 wasn’t an IR trip but it might as well have been. He was basically week to week and was supposedly a go for the next round if they had beaten Pittsburgh.

[Reds Fanatic]

That is now an almost unbelievable 13 Bengals on IR this year and there are still 5 weeks to go and 4 of the 13 have happened in the last 7 days

[JaxRed]

That is now an almost unbelievable 13 Bengals on IR this year and there are still 5 weeks to go and 4 of the 13 have happened in the last 7 days

I'll let you know when you've caught up to Jaguars

[Bob Sheed]

Well the bright side here is, if anyone knows how to extract every morsel of talent from a thin roster, it's Hue Jackson.

[redsfandan]

The bright side, if you want to think about it this way, is all the injuries mean that the team gets a better look at the back ups in game action. Injuries will happen next season no matter what, although hopefully not THIS many. But depth doesn't mean much if there's too much of a drop off when the back up has to be in the game.

[CTA513]

torn ligaments in the thumb for Dalton. Have not heard yet if it will require surgery or not. This is his 2nd IR trip in the last 4 years both for hand injuries attempting to recover a bad snap/fumble.

Dalton probably has a similar type of thumb injury that Palmer had with the Bengals.

[Bob Sheed]

http://amp.si.com/nfl/2018/11/26/hue-jackson-coaching-bengals-browns

Says it better than I can.

Pretty funny article too, in a Bengal kind of way.

Mike the redeemer Brown feels that Hue deserves another chance, and won't even hesitate once Marvin decides to step down.

Again, not about winning at all.

[Redsfaithful]

The end of Dalton in Cincinnati? They could move on, his contract was built that way if I'm remembering right.

[KoryMac5]

The end of Dalton in Cincinnati? They could move on, his contract was built that way if I'm remembering right.

Yeah his contract is basically a series of one yr deals...

[RiverRat13]

There's no upside to the injuries. They are the excuse Mike Brown needs to stay the course.

Dalton's contract is attractive enough to give him some trade value. If it were any other franchise, I'd be fine with committing to a rebuild, get a couple out of Dalton via trade and then look for a new QB in this year or next year's drafts. But since all we're going to get is Hue, then it's pretty much whatever.

[Assembly Hall]

There's no upside to the injuries. They are the excuse Mike Brown needs to stay the course.

Dalton's contract is attractive enough to give him some trade value. If it were any other franchise, I'd be fine with committing to a rebuild, get a couple out of Dalton via trade and then look for a new QB in this year or next year's drafts. But since all we're going to get is Hue, then it's pretty much whatever.

The question is.....who wants Dalton? Where is there a fit for him?

[WVRed]

The question is.....who wants Dalton? Where is there a fit for him?

I could see Jacksonville. I don’t think Coughlin is going to look to the draft to find a franchise QB, but bringing in a veteran presence would be an immediate upgrade over Blake Bortles.

Same with Denver. Paxton Lynch was a bust and Elway prefers veterans anyways. There’s a familiarity there with Vance Joseph if he survives.

Oakland seems likely to move on from David Carr as well. Gruden has won with Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson so drafting a rookie QB isn’t his style either.

The real question is what could they expect to get for Dalton. He’s got the playoff monkey on his back whether fair or not and he hasn’t had a good season since 2015. That said, I don’t see anyone forking over a first round pick for him.

[Ohayou]

The Vikings got Sam Bradford for a 1st & 4th round pick in 2016. Dalton is at least better than him.

[Redsfaithful]

I think the Bengals would be shortsighted to commit to a full on rebuild. They need to win in the remaining years they have left with AJ Green, Dunlap, Atkins, guys they have invested in who are finishing careers.

[GAC]

I think the Bengals would be shortsighted to commit to a full on rebuild. They need to win in the remaining years they have left with AJ Green, Dunlap, Atkins, guys they have invested in who are finishing careers.

Ya'll know you're talking to a Brown's fan here. But I'm also a life-long, loyal Ohioan who has followed the Bengals since the day they were formed. So I think I know a little bit about what I'm going to say because I've seen/experienced it first-hand for almost 20 years with the Brown's organization, and a laughingstock of a team....

I agree with you RF. The Browns went into a rebuild mode because that's exactly what they needed, was required. But IMO, not so with the Bengals. Your team has "issues" talent-wise in certain areas; but you have talent. A "rebuild" is not necessary. And more importantly - who is going to be in charge of implementing this rebuild? That will determine whether it will succeed or fail. In the Brown's case - and even a bind squirrel finds a nut - Haslam got the right guy in GM Dorsey. And Haslam seems to have backed away and is letting Dorsey run the show. That's good.

In the Bengal's situation you have Mike Brown, along with Tobin and Lewis making the calls on players/talent. And the trio's approach has been to build from the draft for better or for worse. And they've gotten it right at times. But not in the last few years (drafts). Far more mishaps, disappointments, even busts. And that has hampered this team.

But IMO, we need to quit pointing the finger of blame for a team's woes at the players. Not saying that can't be the case, but the bottom-line is that talent on the field, and any lack thereof, was placed there by whom? The Bengals fired their defensive coordinator (Austin), and Marvin basically took over the defense. Has it gotten any better? No. Not that Austin didn't deserve to be fired, but your defense has been decimated by injuries, and there's a huge lack on the bench as far as replacements go. Last year it was Zampese.

The finger of blame should continue to be pointed at Mike Brown and the "collective minds" he's assembled to run this organization. As far as football goes, he should be ashamed to be called the son of Paul Brown. He's a businessman, and a shrewd, controlling one at that. As long as he's showing a profit that's all that matters to him.

We all have seen the areas of weakness on this team, and on both sides of the ball. This FO sees it too. Yet over the last few years (drafts) they haven't had success in addressing/improving those areas. So they're going to be in charge of a larger-scale rebuild? Heaven help us (LOL).

While I think it's time for a changing-of-the guard, I have a lot of respect for Marvin Lewis, and what he did accomplish during his tenure. IMO, as long as Mike Brown ... along with his daughter and son-in- law (Katie and Troy) who are the VPs ... maintain their iron-clad hold on whoever they put in charge in the front office and their decision making, it's not going to get much better.

At some point - just like with the Browns - the fans have to revolt and put the finger of blame where it needs to be - ownership.