IU Football-2019

[Assembly Hall]

Looking good.....

https://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/college/iu/star-wr-rashawn-williams-commits-to-iu/article_8b29d8ad-240e-5778-b120-a5309e4cefd6.html

[BillDoran]

Looking good.....

https://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/college/iu/star-wr-rashawn-williams-commits-to-iu/article_8b29d8ad-240e-5778-b120-a5309e4cefd6.html

Not sure I'm sold on Allen, but he does a good job selling the program. There should be an uptick in talent coursing through the roster over the next few years.

[Assembly Hall]

Not sure I'm sold on Allen, but he does a good job selling the program. There should be an uptick in talent coursing through the roster over the next few years.

Mike Hart needs a pay raise.

[Assembly Hall]

Very good read if you are a Hoosier fan...

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/indiana-football-tom-allen-not-backing-down-from-big-ten-east-powers/

[Revering4Blue]

IU Quarterback Penix Nearly Recovered | Ready to Battle “Returning Starter” Ramsey

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-quarterback-penix-nearly-recovered-ready-to-battle-returning-starter-ramsey/

[Assembly Hall]

If Ramsey is the starter I will be very disappointed. Not to take anything away from the young man but we need a B1G caliber QB...he ain't it.

[Revering4Blue]

If Ramsey is the starter I will be very disappointed. Not to take anything away from the young man but we need a B1G caliber QB...he ain't it.

Ramsey, IMHO = This decade's Jay Rodgers.

*Both began their college careers as change-of-pace, mobile QBs to immobile drop-back passers, ultimately winning the starting QB job once their predecessors graduated.

*Rodgers served as a bridge QB to a much better all-around solution at QB, and Rodgers subsequently transferred. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ramsey's career follows a similar path.

[Assembly Hall]

Ramsey, IMHO = This decade's Jay Rodgers.

*Both began their college careers as change-of-pace, mobile QBs to immobile drop-back passers, ultimately winning the starting QB job once their predecessors graduated.

*Rodgers served as a bridge QB to a much better all-around solution at QB, and Rodgers subsequently transferred. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Ramsey's career follows a similar path.

Jay Rodgers. I had forgot about him. Good comp.

[Hoosier Red]

Jay Rodgers. I had forgot about him. Good comp.

My parents came to visit me at IU the weekend of September 18th, 1998 and we decided to attend the game against Western Michigan. I remember confidently stating that "There's been a lot of talk about some freshman QB, but everyone seems to believe Rogers will still be QB. He was fine last year."

Yeah. Then Antwaan ran for 4 touchdowns and threw for two more I think.
Not the first bad prediction but probably up there with my worst ones. Never have I been so happy to be wrong.

[Assembly Hall]

My parents came to visit me at IU the weekend of September 18th, 1998 and we decided to attend the game against Western Michigan. I remember confidently stating that "There's been a lot of talk about some freshman QB, but everyone seems to believe Rogers will still be QB. He was fine last year."

Yeah. Then Antwaan ran for 4 touchdowns and threw for two more I think.
Not the first bad prediction but probably up there with my worst ones. Never have I been so happy to be wrong.

LOL, Randle El was a freak. I think Rodgers took over for Dittoe. And as Rev said Antwaan showed up.

[redsfanmia]

LOL, Randle El was a freak. I think Rodgers took over for Dittoe. And as Rev said Antwaan showed up.

How many wins in the Cam Cameron era without Randle-El? 5-6 maybe?

[Revering4Blue]

LOL, Randle El was a freak. I think Rodgers took over for Dittoe. And as Rev said Antwaan showed up.

Yep, it was Dittoe preceding Rodgers.

While it was certainly not the fault of Dittoe, Chappel and Legow, no more cement-shoed IU full-time QBs for me.

[Revering4Blue]

How many wins in the Cam Cameron era without Randle-El? 5-6 maybe?

It boggles the mind that, even with the wretched IU defenses of that era, Randle-El never played in a bowl game. He was the best B1G QB ( if not college QB) of his era, and that was before the preponderance of RPOs and zone-reads of which he was tailor-made for.

[redsfanmia]

It boggles the mind that, even with the wretched IU defenses of that era, Randle-El never played in a bowl game. He was the best B1G QB ( if not college QB) of his era, and that was before the preponderance of RPOs and zone-reads of which he was tailor-made for.

He should have won the Heisman honestly just like Anthony Thompson should have.

[Assembly Hall]

Nice little read...

http://www.journalgazette.net/sports/colleges/iu/20190620/new-facility-class-creating-excitement-for-indiana-football

[BillDoran]

He should have won the Heisman honestly just like Anthony Thompson should have.

Good gravy, that's some crimson-colored glasses stuff right there.

In 2010, Randle El's best statistical season, he ran for 1,270 and 13 TDs. He also completed 48 percent of his passes and tossed 14 picks to 10 TDs.

That's a heckuva a football season, but let's not get carried away. It was a three-win football team.

[Revering4Blue]

Good gravy, that's some crimson-colored glasses stuff right there.

In 2010, Randle El's best statistical season, he ran for 1,270 and 13 TDs. He also completed 48 percent of his passes and tossed 14 picks to 10 TDs.

That's a heckuva a football season, but let's not get carried away. It was a three-win football team.

It was never confined to only Hoosier fans.

Beano Cook (and other media members with no ties to IU) stated the following arguments in favor of Randle EL (among others) circa '99:

1)Chris Weinke (the eventual Heisman winner) has the luxury of a game manger role, as he's surrounded with plenty of play-makers on both sides of the ball. Randle El has not been afforded such a luxury.

2)As talented as he is/was, Michael Vick would've been hard-pressed to lead IU to more wins than Randle El had the two QBs switched teams.

3)Within the B1G alone, Minnesota and Illinois each won 7 plus games with Billy Cockerham and Kurt Kittner, respectively, as QBs, and both were, once again, surrounded by better balance and talent than Randle El - to say nothing of the mediocre QBs of the conference top-dog Michigan, OSU and Penn State at the time.

If one wants to shoot down the argument that Randle El should have won the Heisman, fine. But it's borderline criminal that he was never in the conversation.

Anthony Thompson for Heisman, OTOH, is a separate argument altogether, but at least he was (rightfully so) very much in the conversation.

[redsfanmia]

[QUOTE=BillDoran;3967215]Good gravy, that's some crimson-colored glasses stuff right there.

In 2010, Randle El's best statistical season, he ran for 1,270 and 13 TDs. He also completed 48 percent of his passes and tossed 14 picks to 10 TDs.

That's a heckuva a football season, but let's not get carried away. It was a three-win football team.[/QUOTE

Your probably right, 16 year old me was very disappointed when AT lost the Heisman to Andre Ware.
Randle-El should have been in the conversation, it’s an individual award not a team award.

[BillDoran]

[QUOTE=BillDoran;3967215]Good gravy, that's some crimson-colored glasses stuff right there.

In 2010, Randle El's best statistical season, he ran for 1,270 and 13 TDs. He also completed 48 percent of his passes and tossed 14 picks to 10 TDs.

That's a heckuva a football season, but let's not get carried away. It was a three-win football team.[/QUOTE

Your probably right, 16 year old me was very disappointed when AT lost the Heisman to Andre Ware.
Randle-El should have been in the conversation, it’s an individual award not a team award.

I remember watching Randle El as a kid and being blown away. Over time, I feel like I kinda forgot how good he was though. The running QBs of the 20th century - among the likes of Vince Young, Pat White and Denard Robinson - along with Randle El's NFL success as a receiver, made his time in Bloomington fade a bit. He was dynamic, and I was surprised to seeing the running numbers he put up in his time at IU.

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-football-recruiting-aamaris-brown-is-third-commit-in-two-days-for-hoosiers/

[Hoosier Red]

How many wins in the Cam Cameron era without Randle-El? 5-6 maybe?

Probably, though he left a pretty decent team to Dinardo.
There were 6-7 guys who ended up playing on the edges of the NFL on the team that Dinardo took over.
Looked it up, not counting the guys like Hamden and Justin Smith who only played 1 year in NFL. There were 8 players who at the very least made an NFL roster in multiple seasons on the team that Dinardo took over. (Jeremi Johnson*,Kris Dielman, Courtney Roby, Victor Adeyanju, Herena-Daze Jones, Isaac Sowells, Chris Taylor, Enoch DeMarr)
*Johnson of course transferred after DiNardo informed him that "his offense didn't use a FB".
Dinardo went 3-8 his first year while waiting on Matt LoVecchio to rescue the offense.

In my 20+ years of IU fandom, there's very few people that I actively dislike. Certain coaches were over their heads. Certain players have disappointed obviously.
But I don't really feel any anger towards them.
Gerry Dinardo may be the exception. I'm not sure. It's obviously irrational at this point, but what I see more than anything on the long, narrow, treacherous road IUFB has to travel just to become mediocre is how much it hurts to start over.
So my frustration with Dinardo isn't so much that he sucked.(He did) But rather, it's that by hiring DiNardo instead of someone competent, IU set itself back 10 years.

[Hoosier Red]

How many wins in the Cam Cameron era without Randle-El? 5-6 maybe?

Jim Boeheim Voice, "Without Antwaan Randle-El we would have won 5 <Bleeping> Games"

[redsfanmia]

Probably, though he left a pretty decent team to Dinardo.
There were 6-7 guys who ended up playing on the edges of the NFL on the team that Dinardo took over.
Looked it up, not counting the guys like Hamden and Justin Smith who only played 1 year in NFL. There were 8 players who at the very least made an NFL roster in multiple seasons on the team that Dinardo took over. (Jeremi Johnson*,Kris Dielman, Courtney Roby, Victor Adeyanju, Herena-Daze Jones, Isaac Sowells, Chris Taylor, Enoch DeMarr)
*Johnson of course transferred after DiNardo informed him that "his offense didn't use a FB".
Dinardo went 3-8 his first year while waiting on Matt LoVecchio to rescue the offense.

In my 20+ years of IU fandom, there's very few people that I actively dislike. Certain coaches were over their heads. Certain players have disappointed obviously.
But I don't really feel any anger towards them.
Gerry Dinardo may be the exception. I'm not sure. It's obviously irrational at this point, but what I see more than anything on the long, narrow, treacherous road IUFB has to travel just to become mediocre is how much it hurts to start over.
So my frustration with Dinardo isn't so much that he sucked.(He did) But rather, it's that by hiring DiNardo instead of someone competent, IU set itself back 10 years.


I think you could probably say the same thing about Bill Lynch, he was a competent coach but not at a Big Ten level. I know he took over for Hep and lead them to a bowl for the first time in ever but he was never the long term solution.

[Hoosier Red]

I think you could probably say the same thing about Bill Lynch, he was a competent coach but not at a Big Ten level. I know he took over for Hep and lead them to a bowl for the first time in ever but he was never the long term solution.

Definitely. I've never had any anger towards him though as he I see it more that he did the best he could in a terrible situation.
I generally don't begrudge coaches(or players) who are simply not good enough. That's not usually their fault.

But DiNardo came in talking a big game, apparently ticked everyone in the university off, and was so overwhelmingly sub-mediocre that everyone was all too happy to see him gone.

[Revering4Blue]

I think you could probably say the same thing about Bill Lynch, he was a competent coach but not at a Big Ten level. I know he took over for Hep and lead them to a bowl for the first time in ever but he was never the long term solution.

Some coaches have a ceiling of coordinator, and are damn good at it, but are not head coaching material (even at the MAC level). Lynch was/is such a coach. IIRC, his Ball State teams were awful.


Definitely. I've never had any anger towards him though as he I see it more that he did the best he could in a terrible situation.
I generally don't begrudge coaches(or players) who are simply not good enough. That's not usually their fault.

But DiNardo came in talking a big game, apparently ticked everyone in the university off, and was so overwhelmingly sub-mediocre that everyone was all too happy to see him gone.

Supposedly, at the time, Urban Meyer (BGSU's HC at the time) was interested in the then-IU opening. But he would have just utilized the IU job as a steppingstone. Meanwhile, DiNardo had previously turned down the opportunity to succeed Lou Holtz at Notre Dame, beaten both Fullmer and Spurrier while LSU's HC. And let's face it, IU was/is considered one of the toughest D1 jobs, certainly one of the toughest B1G jobs.

So, given his resume at the time, DiNardo seemed to be a reasonable hire. I remember reading an article a few years back in which he (DiNardo) stated he made a grievous error in designing an offense at IU which nearly mirrored the Miami Hurricane West Coast/Gulf Coast offense minus, of course, the Miami (much less LSU) personnel. In other words, he would have been more successful running an offense along the same lines as his Vanderbilt and Colorado-coordinated offenses. As a bonus, Jeremi Johnson would have certainly thrived in such an offense.

[Hoosier Red]

Some coaches have a ceiling of coordinator, and are damn good at it, but are not head coaching material (even at the MAC level). Lynch was/is such a coach. IIRC, his Ball State teams were awful.


To be fair to Bill, as I recall he was kneecapped by the administration. If I remember correctly, he didn't have the money to recruit out of state.

I think he wasn't even a great coordinator at IU but is now coaching at a level that makes sense for him. He's the head coach at DePauw and has been pretty successful there. I think D-2 makes sense for a coach who tempermentally is not suited to be as ruthless and singularly focuased as you probably need to be at the D1 level.

The Indiana job is a really hard one to start with. And it becomes harder when IU makes a bad hire because the next guy has to make up for his predecessor's failings.
Ultimately, there are two contradictory forces that get in the way of IU's success.
1)Have to give whomever it is enough time to truly set the program on the right path.
2)You have to cut bait on the wrong coach before he sets the program back any further.

Bringing things full circle, that's why I'm kinda okay with Allen where he is right now. THey have to give him sufficient time and resources to put his plan into action. Even if he's not ultimately the right coach, his recruiting results show that if they do move on, the next coach isn't starting pinned inside his own 5 yard line like so many previous IU coaches were.

[Assembly Hall]

To be fair to Bill, as I recall he was kneecapped by the administration. If I remember correctly, he didn't have the money to recruit out of state.

I think he wasn't even a great coordinator at IU but is now coaching at a level that makes sense for him. He's the head coach at DePauw and has been pretty successful there. I think D-2 makes sense for a coach who tempermentally is not suited to be as ruthless and singularly focuased as you probably need to be at the D1 level.

The Indiana job is a really hard one to start with. And it becomes harder when IU makes a bad hire because the next guy has to make up for his predecessor's failings.
Ultimately, there are two contradictory forces that get in the way of IU's success.
1)Have to give whomever it is enough time to truly set the program on the right path.
2)You have to cut bait on the wrong coach before he sets the program back any further.

Bringing things full circle, that's why I'm kinda okay with Allen where he is right now. THey have to give him sufficient time and resources to put his plan into action. Even if he's not ultimately the right coach, his recruiting results show that if they do move on, the next coach isn't starting pinned inside his own 5 yard line like so many previous IU coaches were.

I am but one voice in Hoosier Nation. But in my lifetime IU has never made a bad hire concerning the HC of the football program. Lee Corso was a good hire. Sam Wyche was a good hire. Bill Mallory was a great hire. Cam Cameron was a good hire. DiNardo was a good hire. Hoeppner was a good hire. Now comes Bill Lynch taking over for Terry, can't blame IU for it whatsoever. Circumstances dictated the move. Wilson was a good hire...and now we are back to circumstances leading to Allen being the HC.

The bottom line is that we have had some guys that can coach. The reality is that it is just damn difficult to win in Bloomington.

[Assembly Hall]

Penix named starting QB.

[Sea Ray]

Penix named starting QB.

He should be very exciting to watch. Andy Dalton he's not

[Assembly Hall]

He should be very exciting to watch. Andy Dalton he's not

Andy Dalton we don't want him to be...but Randle El would be just fine. And Penix has weapons.

[Griffey012]

Penix named starting QB.

Glad to see this call made. Ramsey is a fine quarterback, but he doesn't offer much in terms of upside and big plays, more of a game manager type. Penix can be a lot more for IU.

Ramsey will more than likely get his chances this year at some point due to an injury.

[Assembly Hall]

Glad to see this call made. Ramsey is a fine quarterback, but he doesn't offer much in terms of upside and big plays, more of a game manager type. Penix can be a lot more for IU.

Ramsey will more than likely get his chances this year at some point due to an injury.

Remember that IU also has Tuttle...

[Griffey012]

Remember that IU also has Tuttle...

Hopefully this works out better than the last time IU went into the season with 3 capable QB's in 2014.

[Hoosier Red]

Glad to see this call made. Ramsey is a fine quarterback, but he doesn't offer much in terms of upside and big plays, more of a game manager type. Penix can be a lot more for IU.

Ramsey will more than likely get his chances this year at some point due to an injury.

The thing is, even as a game manager, Peyton Ramsey reminded me of Jon Kitna. Limited upside, could get on a bit of a roll, but still made some mind blowing mistakes that undercut his ability to truly be a game manager.
In all honesty, he's the ideal backup quarterback. He won't kill you if you have to use him in relief, or to get you through a game or two. But if you have someone else with an option I'd recommend them.

[Griffey012]

The thing is, even as a game manager, Peyton Ramsey reminded me of Jon Kitna. Limited upside, could get on a bit of a roll, but still made some mind blowing mistakes that undercut his ability to truly be a game manager.
In all honesty, he's the ideal backup quarterback. He won't kill you if you have to use him in relief, or to get you through a game or two. But if you have someone else with an option I'd recommend them.

That is a good summation. One of the things that killed last season is Indiana just couldn't get big plays, every drive had to be earned 1st down by 1st down it seemed. And then we had issues stalling out in the RedZone. Hopefully Penix adds a new big play dimension, which I think he will with his arm strength and ability to tuck it and run.

[Assembly Hall]

That is a good summation. One of the things that killed last season is Indiana just couldn't get big plays, every drive had to be earned 1st down by 1st down it seemed. And then we had issues stalling out in the RedZone. Hopefully Penix adds a new big play dimension, which I think he will with his arm strength and ability to tuck it and run.

We had a small sample size of what Penix can do...he impressed. Oh and he still has 4 years of eligibility left.

[Assembly Hall]

Well we are where we should be after 2 games. Bucks up next.

[Assembly Hall]

Penix...

https://twitter.com/WDRBSports/status/1172337106024194050?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1172339430440361984&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hoosiersportsnation.com%2 Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcore%26module%3Dsystem%26contro ller%3Dembed%26url%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Ftwitter.com%2Fd aily_hoosier%2Fstatus%2F1172339430440361984%3Fs%3D 20

[Assembly Hall]

I am so sick of "moral" victories...but Hoosier fans we have a difference maker at QB.

[Playadlc]

20 straight completions.

Tough loss today, but this Indiana team is pretty good. I think they go 8-4.

[Assembly Hall]

Tough loss today, but this Indiana team is pretty good. I think they go 8-4.

I think that is realistic if and only IF Penix stays healthy.

[Revering4Blue]

I think that is realistic if and only IF Penix stays healthy.

Agree about keeping Penix healthy. But that's a double-edged sword, as IMHO, this offense isn't close to reaching it's ceiling if Penix is chained to the pocket. If you wish to limit his designed running plays, fine. But His bootleg TD was/is ample enough evidence that his athleticism needs to be unleashed more often (especially in short yardage situations, and not limited to designed runs - how about rollout run/pass options).

[Assembly Hall]

Agree about keeping Penix healthy. But that's a double-edged sword, as IMHO, this offense isn't close to reaching it's ceiling if Penix is chained to the pocket. If you wish to limit his designed running plays, fine. But His bootleg TD was/is ample enough evidence that his athleticism needs to be unleashed more often (especially in short yardage situations, and not limited to designed runs - how about rollout run/pass options).

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-football-same-frustrating-story-but-future-feels-different-with-penix-at-qb/

[Assembly Hall]

Who is Tiawan Mullen?

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-football-cornerback-tiawan-mullens-confidence-is-translating-as-true-freshman/

[Griffey012]

Who is Tiawan Mullen?

https://www.thedailyhoosier.com/iu-football-cornerback-tiawan-mullens-confidence-is-translating-as-true-freshman/

Freshman DB who looks like he may be the real deal. Reminding me of the type of noticeable impact Tracy Porter seemingly brought out of nowhere as a true freshman.

[GAC]

I took Indiana and the 26.5 points this week vs Rutgers. I've followed the Hoosier football program for decades. They were always seen as a lower-tier B10 team. And I don't say that in a derogatory manner. I've always kept saying to myself "Someday this program is going to hit on it, get it right". Mallory did the best he could, and was the closest they came. It just befuddles me.

Is it simply money? Not investing enough in their football program? They always seem to field pretty good offenses, but their defenses have been mediocre to bad, and their sore spot.

[Assembly Hall]

I took Indiana and the 26.5 points this week vs Rutgers. I've followed the Hoosier football program for decades. They were always seen as a lower-tier B10 team. And I don't say that in a derogatory manner. I've always kept saying to myself "Someday this program is going to hit on it, get it right". Mallory did the best he could, and was the closest they came. It just befuddles me.

Is it simply money? Not investing enough in their football program? They always seem to field pretty good offenses, but their defenses have been mediocre to bad, and their sore spot.

Hoosier fans could go back and forth for months as to the reasons why it is like it is. But most close to the program would all agree, right here and now, that the IU President isn't helping matters in the least. He doesn't give a damn about sports.

[Hoosier Red]

I took Indiana and the 26.5 points this week vs Rutgers. I've followed the Hoosier football program for decades. They were always seen as a lower-tier B10 team. And I don't say that in a derogatory manner. I've always kept saying to myself "Someday this program is going to hit on it, get it right". Mallory did the best he could, and was the closest they came. It just befuddles me.

Is it simply money? Not investing enough in their football program? They always seem to field pretty good offenses, but their defenses have been mediocre to bad, and their sore spot.

A little bit of everything to be honest. IU is starting from behind the pack, they're pushed further to the back (along with Rutger and Maryland) because they're practically written a ceiling of 2-4 on B1G East division games, they're further challenged by not investing on the same level(when they really need to spend even more than competitors to be honest.)
All that being said, I don't think there's anything I trust less than IU and a double digit point spread.

[Griffey012]

I took Indiana and the 26.5 points this week vs Rutgers. I've followed the Hoosier football program for decades. They were always seen as a lower-tier B10 team. And I don't say that in a derogatory manner. I've always kept saying to myself "Someday this program is going to hit on it, get it right". Mallory did the best he could, and was the closest they came. It just befuddles me.

Is it simply money? Not investing enough in their football program? They always seem to field pretty good offenses, but their defenses have been mediocre to bad, and their sore spot.

The last 6-8 years (Wilson and Allen eras) their overall talent level is actually up to par with big ten caliber programs, in the past they were more of a Conference USA/MAC caliber talent level. They are hurt by playing in the east, and they simply can't seem to get all facets of the game clicking during a season. In the Wilson era it was all offense and no defense, Wilson brings in Allen who fixed the defense but out QB's stunk. This year our defense looks like a weak spot.

Have to say I am with you on the -26.5. I think if it wasn't for "Indiana football" that line would be closer to 35, Rutgers has been that bad. Now I will say Indiana seems to struggle to cover big totals, but the offense looks different with Penix at the helm.

[GAC]

Thanks guys. When I look at my neighbor next door (Indiana), and college football programs, schools like Notre Dame and even Purdue had their periods. And I'm glad to see ND rising again. And there have been some great players come out of those two programs over the years. But IU? I look at their NFL draft history, impact offensive players taken in the higher rounds, you have to go back to Randle-El. It's not a good record.

While the issues may be many, it seems recruiting, getting high level talent to commit to IU, is one of them. But to IU's defense - as well as a majority of these small-to-midsized schools (even in these Power conferences) - how are they suppose to compete for high level, national talent with the likes of the "bog boys" - not just in their conference, but on a national scale - who are at a marked advantage to begin with? And IU could offer a recruit the sun, the moon, and the stars and, IMO, it wouldn't matter because those other programs can match that plus more. Where is that player going to go to increase his chances on the national stage of getting recognized? Sadly, not IU or so many other programs.

IU's football program has been "down" for so long, it is what it is, it's hard to recruit solid talent when that player has so many other (better) options (if he's good).

But then I look at IU's basketball program, which, historically has had phenomenal success on the national stage, has always been a very competitive program .. and ask "Why not their football program?"

And the only thing that comes to mind is Ted Knight's response in Caddyshack.... "Well, the world (B1G) needs ditch diggers too!"

In every one of the Power Conferences you have your lower tier programs that the big guys feast on. I just enjoy it when one of those underdogs does raise up and play David vs Goliath once in awhile. It happens.

[Assembly Hall]

And IU covers...

[BillDoran]

Thanks guys. When I look at my neighbor next door (Indiana), and college football programs, schools like Notre Dame and even Purdue had their periods. And I'm glad to see ND rising again. And there have been some great players come out of those two programs over the years. But IU? I look at their NFL draft history, impact offensive players taken in the higher rounds, you have to go back to Randle-El. It's not a good record.

While the issues may be many, it seems recruiting, getting high level talent to commit to IU, is one of them. But to IU's defense - as well as a majority of these small-to-midsized schools (even in these Power conferences) - how are they suppose to compete for high level, national talent with the likes of the "bog boys" - not just in their conference, but on a national scale - who are at a marked advantage to begin with? And IU could offer a recruit the sun, the moon, and the stars and, IMO, it wouldn't matter because those other programs can match that plus more. Where is that player going to go to increase his chances on the national stage of getting recognized? Sadly, not IU or so many other programs.

IU's football program has been "down" for so long, it is what it is, it's hard to recruit solid talent when that player has so many other (better) options (if he's good).

But then I look at IU's basketball program, which, historically has had phenomenal success on the national stage, has always been a very competitive program .. and ask "Why not their football program?"

And the only thing that comes to mind is Ted Knight's response in Caddyshack.... "Well, the world (B1G) needs ditch diggers too!"

In every one of the Power Conferences you have your lower tier programs that the big guys feast on. I just enjoy it when one of those underdogs does raise up and play David vs Goliath once in awhile. It happens.

I think trying to pinpoint the reason for a sport's long failure is pretty difficult. If I had to start, it'd be Fred Glass isn't a particularly good AD. McRobbie doesn't give a damn about sports, and he shouldn't. He's the president of an academic institution, and sports are intended to be secondary. A recent ranking of athletic department spending had IU at No. 9 in the B1G, between Illinois and Minnesota (link (https://www.cleveland.com/sports/erry-2018/03/a9ad5f0d13/big_tens_16_billion_sports_emp.html)). If you're trying to solve success, spending may be the best guess.

I do think, and it's been mentioned on here before, that IU is a basketball school, and however that materializes (coaches' salaries, facilities, fan support, recruiting advantage) does seem to matter. As an Ohioan that graduated from IU, I was blown away by the support for the basketball team. The only thing I could compare it to was Ohio State football. And I think IU football suffers for that. I was also mildly surprised to see how little interest there was in football. Going to a football game was a lark ("Never lost a tailgate!"). Nobody expected much, nor really cared. It was a reason to socialize. A win was a pleasant surprise. I do think some sustained success would gin up the energy.

But the inability to string together successful football seasons means you have fewer diehards, few folks that keep coming back because of that legacy, that 10-year run where they dominated the conference. It probably goes without saying, but every successful season produces lifelong fans. Multiple successful seasons compound that interest. Bigger success does the same. Since they've never really distinguished themselves, they have very little vested interest in the program; fewer folks willing to buy season tickets or sit through an expected loss. They don't have anything to buoy their spirit to. They don't recall how exciting it was when the team was great while they were in school. It's an afterthought for the vast majority of IU fans.

And I suspect it'll remain that way. It's harder for the football program to get out of the shadow of basketball. Everybody pegs the IU fandom to basketball. Football success is a nice surprise. And because of that and their inability to create sustained energy around the program, it's a steep climb.

[Assembly Hall]

I think trying to pinpoint the reason for a sport's long failure is pretty difficult. If I had to start, it'd be Fred Glass isn't a particularly good AD. McRobbie doesn't give a damn about sports, and he shouldn't. He's the president of an academic institution, and sports are intended to be secondary. A recent ranking of athletic department spending had IU at No. 9 in the B1G, between Illinois and Minnesota (link (https://www.cleveland.com/sports/erry-2018/03/a9ad5f0d13/big_tens_16_billion_sports_emp.html)). If you're trying to solve success, spending may be the best guess.

I do think, and it's been mentioned on here before, that IU is a basketball school, and however that materializes (coaches' salaries, facilities, fan support, recruiting advantage) does seem to matter. As an Ohioan that graduated from IU, I was blown away by the support for the basketball team. The only thing I could compare it to was Ohio State football. And I think IU football suffers for that. I was also mildly surprised to see how little interest there was in football. Going to a football game was a lark ("Never lost a tailgate!"). Nobody expected much, nor really cared. It was a reason to socialize. A win was a pleasant surprise. I do think some sustained success would gin up the energy.

But the inability to string together successful football seasons means you have fewer diehards, few folks that keep coming back because of that legacy, that 10-year run where they dominated the conference. It probably goes without saying, but every successful season produces lifelong fans. Multiple successful seasons compound that interest. Bigger success does the same. Since they've never really distinguished themselves, they have very little vested interest in the program; fewer folks willing to buy season tickets or sit through an expected loss. They don't have anything to buoy their spirit to. They don't recall how exciting it was when the team was great while they were in school. It's an afterthought for the vast majority of IU fans.

And I suspect it'll remain that way. It's harder for the football program to get out of the shadow of basketball. Everybody pegs the IU fandom to basketball. Football success is a nice surprise. And because of that and their inability to create sustained energy around the program, it's a steep climb.

Great post/reply.

I was fortunate to witness IU's football success from the mid 80's into the early 90's. Good times for me. I have stated before I just want to go to a bowl every year or so and I would be happy. I miss Coach Mallory(RIP).

[redsfanmia]

Great post/reply.

I was fortunate to witness IU's football success from the mid 80's into the early 90's. Good times for me. I have stated before I just want to go to a bowl every year or so and I would be happy. I miss Coach Mallory(RIP).
I think had Coach Hep not passed they would be close to what they were under Mallory. IU has actually put some decent players in the pros lately, Tevin Coleman comes to mind among others.

[Assembly Hall]

I think had Coach Hep not passed they would be close to what they were under Mallory. IU has actually put some decent players in the pros lately, Tevin Coleman comes to mind among others.

I concur about Hep. Jordan Howard, Nate Sudfeld, Tracy Porter, James Hardy...and quite a few OLmen

[Griffey012]

Have to say I am with you on the -26.5. I think if it wasn't for "Indiana football" that line would be closer to 35, Rutgers has been that bad. Now I will say Indiana seems to struggle to cover big totals, but the offense looks different with Penix at the helm.

Might be time to quit my day job.

On a serious note, big game coming up for IU next weekend at Maryland. Looking like oddsmakers have it as a coin flip, but if IU is going to have a successful year it is a game they should win. If they can win in convincing fashion we might have a special season (by IU standards) in the works.

[Assembly Hall]

Might be time to quit my day job.

On a serious note, big game coming up for IU next weekend at Maryland. Looking like oddsmakers have it as a coin flip, but if IU is going to have a successful year it is a game they should win. If they can win in convincing fashion we might have a special season (by IU standards) in the works.

These are the types of games that "WE" have failed miserably at in the past. And it pisses me off and challenges my IU football fandom. The Hoosiers have a very realistic chance to go 8-4 this year, but misery from the past says I will be ecstatic with 6-6. Just win the games you should, that is all I ask. Beating the big boys is just gravy on top.

[redsfanmia]

These are the types of games that "WE" have failed miserably at in the past. And it pisses me off and challenges my IU football fandom. The Hoosiers have a very realistic chance to go 8-4 this year, but misery from the past says I will be ecstatic with 6-6. Just win the games you should, that is all I ask. Beating the big boys is just gravy on top.
It’s IU football, we all know how it’s going to end...needing a win in the bucket game to get bowl eligible and they will be blown out. Shampoo, rinse,repeat.

[Assembly Hall]

It’s IU football, we all know how it’s going to end...needing a win in the bucket game to get bowl eligible and they will be blown out. Shampoo, rinse,repeat.

But as always I think we are turning the corner...for my entire lifetime.

[Assembly Hall]

Bam, IU survives. Need 1 more win...but I think we can get at least 3 more.

[redsfanmia]

Bam, IU survives. Need 1 more win...but I think we can get at least 3 more.

I hope so, Penix is damn good.

[redsfanmia]

Dp

[Assembly Hall]

IU's remaining schedule:

@Nebraska

Northwestern

@Penn St.

Michigan

@Purdue

Just need 1 to go bowling but it would be possible to finish 9-3. A guy can dream right?

[Playadlc]

Indiana starts off -2 @Nebraska.

15358

[elrojo]

Nice dream. The nightmare is another possibility: going winless the rest of the season. Would hate to have to wait
to pick up the sixth win in West Lafayette.

[Assembly Hall]

Nice dream. The nightmare is another possibility: going winless the rest of the season. Would hate to have to wait
to pick up the sixth win in West Lafayette.

Could happen...

[Assembly Hall]

Suhweet baby Jesus...bowl eligible in October? OMG.

[GAC]

The Hoosiers had me worried yesterday vs Nebraska ( I took Indy). But Nebraska didn't let me down.

The Hoosiers are Bowl-eligible with 6 wins. I see them going 2-2 over their next four games, finishing 8-4.

[Assembly Hall]

The Hoosiers had me worried yesterday vs Nebraska ( I took Indy). But Nebraska didn't let me down.

The Hoosiers are Bowl-eligible with 6 wins. I see them going 2-2 over their next four games, finishing 8-4.

I had to look it up. The last time IU had 6 wins before November was 1993. That year they were 7-1 heading into November. It was the last really good Hoosier team.

[redsfanmia]

I had to look it up. The last time IU had 6 wins before November was 1993. That year they were 7-1 heading into November. It was the last really good Hoosier team.

I assumed this was a Vaughn Dunbar team but I was wrong, this was the John Paci/Thomas Lewis team.

[Assembly Hall]

I see the Hoosiers got votes in both polls.

[Griffey012]

I had to look it up. The last time IU had 6 wins before November was 1993. That year they were 7-1 heading into November. It was the last really good Hoosier team.

I am 33 and for all intents and purposes I have never seen an 8 win Indiana Football season. 1993 was before I even knew college football was a thing, I was too enamored with the hapless Jeff George Colts. This could be a special year by Indiana standards.

Even crazier to think 9 wins isn't out of the question (8 wins + a bowl game win)

[Assembly Hall]

I am 33 and for all intents and purposes I have never seen an 8 win Indiana Football season. 1993 was before I even knew college football was a thing, I was too enamored with the hapless Jeff George Colts. This could be a special year by Indiana standards.

Even crazier to think 9 wins isn't out of the question (8 wins + a bowl game win)

IU has won 9 games in a season twice('45 and '67). More over the Hoosiers have only won 8 games in a season 4 times('79, '87, '88, and '93). This squad is in historic territory for what is IU football.

[Revering4Blue]

I had to look it up. The last time IU had 6 wins before November was 1993. That year they were 7-1 heading into November. It was the last really good Hoosier team.

Little did we know that Fall of '93 that the next Hoosier Bowl trip would be in 2007. Two caveats, though:

1)The '94 team with freshman RB Alex Smith finished 6-5 and failed to land a bowl bid - there weren't that many bowl bids available back then.

2)The '06 team would have qualified for a bowl with one more freakin' win, which would have likely occurred were Coah Hoep (he missed both games for cancer treatment, IIRC) available to coach two early-season games, which the Hoosiers lost (one to a FCS team) at home.

[Revering4Blue]

Coach Allen has a decision to make now that the offense seems to be clicking with Ramsey at QB.

Do you go back to Penix at QB, stay with Ramsey, or play both QBs?

[Revering4Blue]

IU has won 9 games in a season twice('45 and '67). More over the Hoosiers have only won 8 games in a season 4 times('79, '87, '88, and '93). This squad is in historic territory for what is IU football.

Not so fun fact - and I know that you remember this, AH - The '79 Hoosiers were one play away from tying the Wolverines (no overtime in CFB until '96) in the Big House until a long TD pass to Anthony Carter won the game for Michigan on the last play of the game.

[Playadlc]

Coach Allen has a decision to make now that the offense seems to be clicking with Ramsey at QB.

Do you go back to Penix at QB, stay with Ramsey, or play both QBs?

There's really no decision to be made. Penix is your #1. He's the most gifted QB IU has had in a long time. Ramsey is a great back-up.

We're lucky.

[Assembly Hall]

Coach Allen has a decision to make now that the offense seems to be clicking with Ramsey at QB.

Do you go back to Penix at QB, stay with Ramsey, or play both QBs?

If Penix is 100% I go with him...if he is not I go Ramsey.

[Assembly Hall]

Not so fun fact - and I know that you remember this, AH - The '79 Hoosiers were one play away from tying the Wolverines (no overtime in CFB until '96) in the Big House until a long TD pass to Anthony Carter won the game for Michigan on the last play of the game.

Don't remind me...LOL

[Griffey012]

There's really no decision to be made. Penix is your #1. He's the most gifted QB IU has had in a long time. Ramsey is a great back-up.

We're lucky.

Only comment I would make here is that I wouldn't call Ramsey a back-up QB. He is a plenty capable power 5 QB, heck probably 5-6 big ten teams would prefer him as their QB. But yes, I 100% agree you have to go with Penix, he has a chance to be a star, and is better.

[Assembly Hall]

Only comment I would make here is that I wouldn't call Ramsey a back-up QB. He is a plenty capable power 5 QB, heck probably 5-6 big ten teams would prefer him as their QB. But yes, I 100% agree you have to go with Penix, he has a chance to be a star, and is better.

To add to that, there are rumors going around that other schools are calling Ramsey...

[Griffey012]

To add to that, there are rumors going around that other schools are calling Ramsey...

His Dad said something to the extent of a lot of teams are violating recruiting rules.

[Assembly Hall]

His Dad said something to the extent of a lot of teams are violating recruiting rules.

So you saw that as well? LOL Yeah that has been making the rounds for sure.

[Hoosier Red]

Not so fun fact - and I know that you remember this, AH - The '79 Hoosiers were one play away from tying the Wolverines (no overtime in CFB until '96) in the Big House until a long TD pass to Anthony Carter won the game for Michigan on the last play of the game.

Was that the play that followed the Michigan Running Back intentionally fumbling it out of bounds to stop the clock(which should not have been allowed.)

[Hoosier Red]

To add to that, there are rumors going around that other schools are calling Ramsey...

I have few doubts that Ramsey will transfer after this season. In the mean time, he's an excellent insurance policy.
That said, there's no decision to be made, It's not as though the offense is performing better under Ramsey than it was under Penix.
Inevitably, i hate comparisons like this because it s as though you have to dump on one in order to praise the other but right now Ramsey has done everything pretty well this season and some things he has done extraordinarily well. But there isn't a single thing that I feel like he's been measurably better than Penix on.

[Revering4Blue]

Was that the play that followed the Michigan Running Back intentionally fumbling it out of bounds to stop the clock(which should not have been allowed.)

Yes it was, unfortunately.

[Strikes Out Looking]

7

[Assembly Hall]

7

Bring on Penn St.!!!!!!!!!

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This past Saturday was the first time I’ve seen Penix live.

The kid throws effortless frozen ropes. He can make every throw. He also has incredibly good pocket presence. NU had a couple of free rushers that he easily evaded.

If he stays healthy, I think he’ll be the best QB in school history.

I was also incredibly impressed with Stevie Scott. He, much like this team, has gotten better every week.

[Griffey012]

Any word on Penix latest injury?

[Assembly Hall]

Any word on Penix latest injury?

Game time decision!

[Assembly Hall]

This past Saturday was the first time I’ve seen Penix live.

The kid throws effortless frozen ropes. He can make every throw. He also has incredibly good pocket presence. NU had a couple of free rushers that he easily evaded.

If he stays healthy, I think he’ll be the best QB in school history.

I was also incredibly impressed with Stevie Scott. He, much like this team, has gotten better every week.

Penix, as you said, has a chance to be something very special.

Now Scott, on the other hand, gets overlooked. He did rush for over 1100 yards last year. And is well on pace to surpass that this year. FYI Stevie is now 15th on IU's all-time rushing list and 9th in TD's. Still has 4 games to play this year and he will be a Jr. next year.

[redsfanmia]

Penix out for the season, we just can’t have anything nice.

[Assembly Hall]

Penix out for the season, we just can’t have anything nice.

Well that puts an end to any QB controversy.

[redsfanmia]

Well that puts an end to any QB controversy.

Don’t think there was any controversy, Penix is the superior player.

[Assembly Hall]

Don’t think there was any controversy, Penix is the superior player.

Oh yeah there was once Penix became "Glass Joe."

[Revering4Blue]

Penix out for the season, we just can’t have anything nice.

Simply put, this sucks.

While the offense can still be pretty potent with Ramsey, it could've been -- and still could be moving forward -- flat-out dynamic with Penix. And if the program has designs on higher aspirations than simply landing a Bowl bid, a QB the caliber of Penix is a must.

[redsfanmia]

Simply put, this sucks.

While the offense can still be pretty potent with Ramsey, it could've been -- and still could be moving forward -- flat-out dynamic with Penix. And if the program has designs on higher aspirations than simply landing a Bowl bid, a QB the caliber of Penix is a must.

Ramsey is fine but I agree with you on Penix, he has a chance to be the best QB in school history. Move over Harry Gonso, Babe, Antwaan, Trent and Steve Bradley....

[Revering4Blue]

Ramsey is fine but I agree with you on Penix, he has a chance to be the best QB in school history. Move over Harry Gonso, Babe, Antwaan, Trent and Steve Bradley....

I imagine that none of us posting here ever witnessed Harry Gonso's playing days, so it's difficult to factor him in.

In any case -- excluding current QBs -- it's Antwaan, who assuredly would have been a QB in the NFL in today's NFL landscape, by a landslide. And I'll humbly suggest that the late Dave Schnell > than at least two members of that list, though Bradley arguably had the worst supporting casts around him.

[Assembly Hall]

I imagine that none of us posting here ever witnessed Harry Gonso's playing days, so it's difficult to factor him in.

In any case -- excluding current QBs -- it's Antwaan, who assuredly would have been a QB in the NFL in today's NFL landscape, by a landslide. And I'll humbly suggest that the late Dave Schnell > than at least two members of that list, though Bradley arguably had the worst supporting casts around him.

Know nothing about Gonso but the rest yes.

I would surmise that Schnell is the only one that has a career winning % over .500 as a starter.

[redsfanmia]

I imagine that none of us posting here ever witnessed Harry Gonso's playing days, so it's difficult to factor him in.

In any case -- excluding current QBs -- it's Antwaan, who assuredly would have been a QB in the NFL in today's NFL landscape, by a landslide. And I'll humbly suggest that the late Dave Schnell > than at least two members of that list, though Bradley arguably had the worst supporting casts around him.

I forgot about Schnell honestly. Gonso lead IU to the rose bowl and is still in the top 10 in many categories and played during an era of run first football so he’s gotta be in the conversation. There are a lot of people on this board who never saw Bench but they know he’s the greatest catcher ever.

[Assembly Hall]

I forgot about Schnell honestly. Gonso lead IU to the rose bowl and is still in the top 10 in many categories and played during an era of run first football so he’s gotta be in the conversation. There are a lot of people on this board who never saw Bench but they know he’s the greatest catcher ever.

Schnell was from my neck of the woods. Gonso aside, ARE is the greatest QB IU ever had...but Dave was something else. He was the best player in the land according to some sources coming out of Elkhart Central. He chose IU.

[texasdave]

Congratulations, IU Hoosiers. They crack the AP Top 25 for the first time since 1994 That was the longest drought among Power Five schools. That dubious honor now goes to in-state rival Purdue, unranked since 2007.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2019/11/10/ap-top-25-lsu-landslide-no-1-minnesota-jumps-into-top-10/40581299/

[Assembly Hall]

Congratulations, IU Hoosiers. They crack the AP Top 25 for the first time since 1994 That was the longest drought among Power Five schools. That dubious honor now goes to in-state rival Purdue, unranked since 2007.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2019/11/10/ap-top-25-lsu-landslide-no-1-minnesota-jumps-into-top-10/40581299/

A "burden" has been lifted!

[Hoosier Red]

And now the team with the longest drought from being ranked... The Purdue Boilermakers who haven't been ranked in the top 25 since 2007.

You hate to see it.

[Revering4Blue]

I forgot about Schnell honestly. Gonso lead IU to the rose bowl and is still in the top 10 in many categories and played during an era of run first football so he’s gotta be in the conversation. There are a lot of people on this board who never saw Bench but they know he’s the greatest catcher ever.

All of the QBs mentioned, including Randle El, played in run first eras. And, of course, Gonso should be in the conversation. All I'm saying is that I cannot fairly judge him because I never saw him play. I can just go by the opinion of those who remember Gonso -- my Father, for one -- who believe that (A) ARE was the best IU QB and (B) Penix has a chance to be the best IU QB to suit up for the program when all is said and done.

[Assembly Hall]

All of the QBs mentioned, including Randle El, played in run first eras. And, of course, Gonso should be in the conversation. All I'm saying is that I cannot fairly judge him because I never saw him play. I can just go by the opinion of those who remember Gonso -- my Father, for one -- who believe that (A) ARE was the best IU QB and (B) Penix has a chance to be the best IU QB to suit up for the program when all is said and done.

One thing I do know...ARE was electrifying.

[Griffey012]

This squad is legit, didn't get the W against PSU this weekend, but we were capable of pulling it off. A few odd plays/questionable calls/and a total inability to get a 3rd down stop in the 4th quarter were the difference. Very happy with the direction this team is headed. Let's pull one off against Michigan this weekend.

[Assembly Hall]

This squad is legit, didn't get the W against PSU this weekend, but we were capable of pulling it off. A few odd plays/questionable calls/and a total inability to get a 3rd down stop in the 4th quarter were the difference. Very happy with the direction this team is headed. Let's pull one off against Michigan this weekend.

Pretty much sums up the game and my thoughts as well. The Hoosiers are pretty dang good.

[Assembly Hall]

Big win for the program...

[adkindo]

Big win for the program...

I was surprised by the final score....I saw the score early and Indiana was up big, or am I mistaken?

[Sea Ray]

Big win for the program...

How so? The Hoosiers were already Bowl eligible and this was a pretty bad Purdue team. IU was a TD favorite.

[Assembly Hall]

How so? The Hoosiers were already Bowl eligible and this was a pretty bad Purdue team. IU was a TD favorite.

1st time with 8 wins since '93. Haven't had 9 since '67. Rarified air for IU football.

[Assembly Hall]

I was surprised by the final score....I saw the score early and Indiana was up big, or am I mistaken?

IU jumped out to a 14-0 lead...but that is as big as it was. Didn't help that the Hoosiers normally reliable kicker missed 3 FG's.

[Griffey012]

1st time with 8 wins since '93. Haven't had 9 since '67. Rarified air for IU football.

If they can get to 9, they could sneak into the back end of the top 25 to end the season.

[Assembly Hall]

If they can get to 9, they could sneak into the back end of the top 25 to end the season.

That is what I am hoping/praying for. They are poised for a couple years of success with the current roster.

[Griffey012]

That is what I am hoping/praying for. They are poised for a couple years of success with the current roster.

Definitely. Very young team, lot of impacts players who are fresh/sophs. Based on the Purdue game Depth Chart they started 6 seniors. Two of those were replaceable WRs.

[Assembly Hall]

Definitely. Very young team, lot of impacts players who are fresh/sophs. Based on the Purdue game Depth Chart they started 6 seniors. Two of those were replaceable WRs.

They are stacked...barring injuries or transfers.

[Sea Ray]

What's the word on Bowl destinations for the Hoosiers? Music City? Quicklane Bowl? Armed Forces Bowl?

[Assembly Hall]

What's the word on Bowl destinations for the Hoosiers? Music City? Quicklane Bowl? Armed Forces Bowl?

Music City is the one I see mentioned the most. Personally I would love to play on New Year's Day.

[Sea Ray]

Music City is the one I see mentioned the most. Personally I would love to play on New Year's Day.

I haven't seen them mentioned at all for a New Year's Day Bowl. Have you?

[Assembly Hall]

I haven't seen them mentioned at all for a New Year's Day Bowl. Have you?

I seen someone post a scenario that could put them in one. Can't remember how it went.

[Assembly Hall]

I seen someone post a scenario that could put them in one. Can't remember how it went.

This comes from a poster over on HSN(Hoosiersportsnation) that goes by Zlinedavid:

I posted this in another thread, but if everything is assigned according to the rules, the Outback Bowl isn't such a long shot. There are two factors in play:

Teams are not supposed to "jump" ahead of other teams with more than one additional win. Example: Michigan State or Illinois cannot be picked ahead of Indiana. Indiana cannot be picked ahead of Minnesota, Wisconsin or Penn State. Indiana could be picked ahead of Michigan or Iowa.
Other than the Rose Bowl, all Big Ten bowls have agreed to have at least five different schools in their bowl over the 2014–19 contract cycle. Also, no school will appear in same bowl back-to-back years.
The Outback Bowl has had Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan and Iowa in 2014-2018. The Outback cannot pick Iowa due to the back-to-back clause. The Outback should not be able to pick Michigan, as that would result in only 4 teams in 6 years. The Outback is 4th in terms of selection order, behind the CFP, Rose, other NY6 and Citrus. Keep all this in mind.

Odds are, OSU is going to the CFP. The Rose will select one of Wisconsin/Minnesota/Penn State. Now, if no other NY6 selects one of those three as well, it makes it easy: the remaining two would go to the Citrus and Outback. But, if any other NY6 selects one of those teams, that means the third of those teams would go to the Citrus, with the Outback on the clock so to speak. They could not select Michigan State or Illinois, due to the number of wins. Iowa cannot appear due to the back-to-back provision and Michigan should be ineligible due to the 5-in-6 agreement.

So all it will take is for the Cotton Bowl to choose a B10 team, and we should be in the Outback.

[Sea Ray]

This comes from a poster over on HSN(Hoosiersportsnation) that goes by Zlinedavid:

I posted this in another thread, but if everything is assigned according to the rules, the Outback Bowl isn't such a long shot. There are two factors in play:

Teams are not supposed to "jump" ahead of other teams with more than one additional win. Example: Michigan State or Illinois cannot be picked ahead of Indiana. Indiana cannot be picked ahead of Minnesota, Wisconsin or Penn State. Indiana could be picked ahead of Michigan or Iowa.
Other than the Rose Bowl, all Big Ten bowls have agreed to have at least five different schools in their bowl over the 2014–19 contract cycle. Also, no school will appear in same bowl back-to-back years.
The Outback Bowl has had Wisconsin, Northwestern, Iowa, Michigan and Iowa in 2014-2018. The Outback cannot pick Iowa due to the back-to-back clause. The Outback should not be able to pick Michigan, as that would result in only 4 teams in 6 years. The Outback is 4th in terms of selection order, behind the CFP, Rose, other NY6 and Citrus. Keep all this in mind.

Odds are, OSU is going to the CFP. The Rose will select one of Wisconsin/Minnesota/Penn State. Now, if no other NY6 selects one of those three as well, it makes it easy: the remaining two would go to the Citrus and Outback. But, if any other NY6 selects one of those teams, that means the third of those teams would go to the Citrus, with the Outback on the clock so to speak. They could not select Michigan State or Illinois, due to the number of wins. Iowa cannot appear due to the back-to-back provision and Michigan should be ineligible due to the 5-in-6 agreement.

So all it will take is for the Cotton Bowl to choose a B10 team, and we should be in the Outback.

I think a B10 team in the Cotton is a longshot but assuming everything you've written above, how does Indiana jump Minnesota for an Outback bid?

[Griffey012]

Tom Allen getting paid.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28236722/indiana-coach-tom-allen-finalizes-new-seven-year-273-million-deal

[Assembly Hall]

I think a B10 team in the Cotton is a longshot but assuming everything you've written above, how does Indiana jump Minnesota for an Outback bid?

The scenario the poster put does not infer IU would jump Minny. He is saying that if 2 of Wisconsin/Penn St/Minny get a NY6 bid then IU should be in the Outback because of the provisions set forth.

[Sea Ray]

The scenario the poster put does not infer IU would jump Minny. He is saying that if 2 of Wisconsin/Penn St/Minny get a NY6 bid then IU should be in the Outback because of the provisions set forth.

What about Iowa? Let's say Wisconsin and PSU are in the New Years 6. That leaves Iowa for Citrus and Minn for Outback. That's how many projections I've read are doing it.

[Assembly Hall]

What about Iowa? Let's say Wisconsin and PSU are in the New Years 6. That leaves Iowa for Citrus and Minn for Outback. That's how many projections I've read are doing it.

It has to do with appearances in so many years. I think Iowa was just there last year? Minny would be ahead of Iowa for the Citrus do to overall wins. I know it is mind boggling to me as well.

[Sea Ray]

It has to do with appearances in so many years. I think Iowa was just there last year? Minny would be ahead of Iowa for the Citrus do to overall wins. I know it is mind boggling to me as well.

No question it's confusing. That's why it makes for good internet chatter...:)

Iowa hasn't played in the Citrus since 2005. Iowa is ranked ahead of Minny in the CFP rankings

My suggestion is to be very discerning when reading postings on the internet, yours truly included...

[Assembly Hall]

No question it's confusing. That's why it makes for good internet chatter...:)

Iowa hasn't played in the Citrus since 2005. Iowa is ranked ahead of Minny in the CFP rankings

My suggestion is to be very discerning when reading postings on the internet, yours truly included...

Iowa played in the Outback last year.

[Assembly Hall]

https://athlonsports.com/bowl-projections-2019

[Sea Ray]

Iowa played in the Outback last year.

I understand. But I think they're headed to the Citrus so their Outback history would be irrelevant

[Sea Ray]

https://athlonsports.com/bowl-projections-2019

Interesting that this projection puts LSU as the #1 seed and OSU #2. If this is how it turns out, don't sleep on Kentucky. Hope you've got a stout front 7 on defense. That UK offensive line is impressive but I do think it'll help to have nearly a month to prepare for that Wildcat offense.

Several projections have Tennessee playing Indiana in the Gator Bowl. However the Music City Bowl is a much higher payout so they may get the higher seeded SEC team. As a fan, I'm not thrilled with playing after New Years Day nor am I thrilled with playing at 4pm on a workday. Of the 2, I think I'd go Gator Bowl despite the lower payout. I'm just a fan. I can screw the payouts...

[Sea Ray]

We got what we both wanted here, AH. It's official. Tennessee vs Indiana in the Gator Bowl. Let the trash talkin' begin!

[Assembly Hall]

We got what we both wanted here, AH. It's official. Tennessee vs Indiana in the Gator Bowl. Let the trash talkin' begin!

I was hoping and praying for this match-up. No trash talking from my end. You got a scouting report for me?

[Sea Ray]

I was hoping and praying for this match-up. No trash talking from my end. You got a scouting report for me?

Sure but remember you gotta do the same for me...:)

Tennessee is a defensive minded team. Their head coach is a defensive guy and he's a good teacher. Team is nothing like the team that started the yr 0-2. Gotta write that off. QB is the biggest question mark. In fact I can't even tell you for sure who the starter will be. I presume it'll be RS-Jr Jarrett Guarantano. At his best he is a game manager who can do a lot of things "OK" but nothing "well." His bad games have led to losses including Alabama. If he'd played better vs Alabama that game would have given the Crimson Tide a scare well into the 4th qtr. If Guarantano is suckin', coach Pruitt will not hesitate to pull him and put in one of two freshman. In general Tenn QBs do not run the ball much. The UT OC is Jim Chaney who was Georgia's OC up until this yr. So picture previous UGa offenses to know what UT runs.

Expect Tenn to pound the run and then do play action to throw over the top to any of 3 very athletic WRs. One of them, DeJuan Jennings, will not play until the second half. He's a big target kinda like a poor man's Dez Bryant but not a speedster. The other guys, Josh Palmer and Marquez Calloway have speed to burn that you don't often see in the B10. Expect IU to give them big cushions that'll likely frustrate the hell out of you.

The Vols have a FR RB who is also a speedster but he didn't play much until recently so his season stats won't impress you, Eric Gray. The Vols O-line is underrated.

The defense is led by SR ILB Daniel Bituli. He's a leader and a tackling machine. SS Nigel Warrior is another leader and a ball hawk. Soph CB Bryce Thompson is a guy who's had nagging injuries and off the field issues. He was missed in those first two losses of the season due to a suspension. When he's healthy he's also an INT waiting to happen.

UT is a mix of seniors and very young inexperienced guys. Depth is a problem so I think the extra month will really help them in that it'll get guys healthy that were in and out of the starting lineup in the past month. Expect Bituli, Warrior, O-lineman Trey Smith, TE Dominick Wood-Anderson, Calloway, Jennings and edge pass rusher Darryl Taylor to go high in the NFL draft this Spring.

I get the impression that IU has a high powered offense and a not so good defense. Therefore a high scoring game would be good for the Hoosiers. Is that your view? Nice season of 8 wins for the Hoosiers but I see no wins this year over Bowl eligible teams. Amazing that a schedule could be that light as to win 8 games and have Nebraska be your best win, but you know the team much better than I. What say you? As a UT fan, I'd rather face a defensive minded team.

I'm really pleased with the Gator Bowl as opposed to the Music City or Liberty Bowls. Much better timing. Prime time, no conflicts with other football. Tnn and IU have only faced each other once in football, in the late 80s. The Vols won in a close one.

[Assembly Hall]

Thank you SR...

Damn I will check back with ya later on my report to you. I feel like I really got to go in depth now to compete with you! I will get ya one when I get a chance Bro.

Thanks again.

[Sea Ray]

Thank you SR...

Damn I will check back with ya later on my report to you. I feel like I really got to go in depth now to compete with you! I will get ya one when I get a chance Bro.

Thanks again.

Don't knock yourself out. Enjoy the next three and a half weeks!

[Assembly Hall]

Alright SR here ya go...

The Hoosiers lost 4. Most IU fans would say we should have beat MSU and Penn St. We did get steam rolled by tOSU and Michigan.

No secret that our starting QB was lost for the year but we have a capable back-up that was the former starter. Peyton Ramsey is a game manager. Arm strength is a little lacking but he makes up for it with good throws. He will run, make no mistake about that.

The receiving core is our strong suit. We have 4 guys with 500+ receiving yards. The corps is lead by Whop Philyor whos has over 1,000 yards. Dynamic player who is a play maker. Peyton Hendershot, Ty Fryfogle, and Nick Westbrook are fine as well. And depending on health watch for Donovan Hale.

We have a stud at RB. Sophomore Stevie Scott rushed for over a thousand last year...fell short this year due to some injuries but can catch the ball as he has over a thousand yards combined. His back-up is a former OSU commit that flipped in Sampson James. He had a stellar game against Purdue. Ronnie Walker also sees time in the backfield and is primarily used as a receiver.

The defense is porous but we do have some guys to keep an eye on. Tiawan Mullen is a DB and a playmaker. Kid is a true freshman. Micah McFadden is a soph LB and has a nose for the ball. Reakwon Jones is another LB that seems to be in a lot of plays. The Hoosiers can play D. Their issue is we are not deep on that side of the ball.

One thing that might interest Vol fans is the IU kicking game. It is fabulous. Logan Justus has a leg to put it through the uprights. And Haydon Whitehead is one heckuva a punter playing the field position game.

About all I got now Bro. I am sure I forgot something. But I will be around!

[Griffey012]

Sure but remember you gotta do the same for me...:)

Tennessee is a defensive minded team. Their head coach is a defensive guy and he's a good teacher. Team is nothing like the team that started the yr 0-2. Gotta write that off. QB is the biggest question mark. In fact I can't even tell you for sure who the starter will be. I presume it'll be RS-Jr Jarrett Guarantano. At his best he is a game manager who can do a lot of things "OK" but nothing "well." His bad games have led to losses including Alabama. If he'd played better vs Alabama that game would have given the Crimson Tide a scare well into the 4th qtr. If Guarantano is suckin', coach Pruitt will not hesitate to pull him and put in one of two freshman. In general Tenn QBs do not run the ball much. The UT OC is Jim Chaney who was Georgia's OC up until this yr. So picture previous UGa offenses to know what UT runs.

Expect Tenn to pound the run and then do play action to throw over the top to any of 3 very athletic WRs. One of them, DeJuan Jennings, will not play until the second half. He's a big target kinda like a poor man's Dez Bryant but not a speedster. The other guys, Josh Palmer and Marquez Calloway have speed to burn that you don't often see in the B10. Expect IU to give them big cushions that'll likely frustrate the hell out of you.

The Vols have a FR RB who is also a speedster but he didn't play much until recently so his season stats won't impress you, Eric Gray. The Vols O-line is underrated.

The defense is led by SR ILB Daniel Bituli. He's a leader and a tackling machine. SS Nigel Warrior is another leader and a ball hawk. Soph CB Bryce Thompson is a guy who's had nagging injuries and off the field issues. He was missed in those first two losses of the season due to a suspension. When he's healthy he's also an INT waiting to happen.

UT is a mix of seniors and very young inexperienced guys. Depth is a problem so I think the extra month will really help them in that it'll get guys healthy that were in and out of the starting lineup in the past month. Expect Bituli, Warrior, O-lineman Trey Smith, TE Dominick Wood-Anderson, Calloway, Jennings and edge pass rusher Darryl Taylor to go high in the NFL draft this Spring.

I get the impression that IU has a high powered offense and a not so good defense. Therefore a high scoring game would be good for the Hoosiers. Is that your view? Nice season of 8 wins for the Hoosiers but I see no wins this year over Bowl eligible teams. Amazing that a schedule could be that light as to win 8 games and have Nebraska be your best win, but you know the team much better than I. What say you? As a UT fan, I'd rather face a defensive minded team.

I'm really pleased with the Gator Bowl as opposed to the Music City or Liberty Bowls. Much better timing. Prime time, no conflicts with other football. Tnn and IU have only faced each other once in football, in the late 80s. The Vols won in a close one.

Thanks for the in depth write up, I didn’t know a lot about this years Vols squad. This should be an interesting game, from a Hoosier fan perspective it’ll be interesting to play a game with an opponent that seems to be a fairly even matchup on paper. Our season has been full of either “should wins” or “big upset opportunity”. The only somewhat even game on paper was Michigan State but both teams headed opposite directions after that game. At the time MSU was a heavy favorite.

I haven’t seen a Vegas spread yet. I am guessing it’ll be a 3-3.5 pt line, honestly not sure which direction.

[Sea Ray]

I agree it's a very good matchup. I will say that the Tennessee boards see this as a blowout easy win for the Vols. As fans they know that the Vols beat B10 teams easily except for Penn State. I'm just glad that the Vols are in a Bowl and that they get an extra month of practice and coaching. Fun to play in the Gator Bowl.

[Assembly Hall]

I agree it's a very good matchup. I will say that the Tennessee boards see this as a blowout easy win for the Vols. As fans they know that the Vols beat B10 teams easily except for Penn State. I'm just glad that the Vols are in a Bowl and that they get an extra month of practice and coaching. Fun to play in the Gator Bowl.

What the Vols fans are saying on their boards is finding it's way onto IU boards. Mutual trolling is going on and I love it.

[*BaseClogger*]

The only B1G teams Tennessee has played in the last 10 years are Nebraska, Northwestern, and Iowa lol

[Sea Ray]

The only B1G teams Tennessee has played in the last 10 years are Nebraska, Northwestern, and Iowa lol

That's true. Is there a point?

[Sea Ray]

Vegas opens by making this a pick 'em game. You can't get closer matched than that

[Assembly Hall]

That's true. Is there a point?

That the Vols weren't playing the "cream of the crop" B1G schools recently?

[Sea Ray]

That the Vols weren't playing the "cream of the crop" B1G schools recently?

Why would they? The Vols weren't cream of the crop of the SEC.

[Sea Ray]

I heard this scouting report from another Hoosier fan:


Ramsey has a noodle arm and lives off the dink and dunk. Cannot make the sideline throws or get YAC because defenders make up ground by the time the ball reaches receivers. It truly limits what our offense runs. Teams tend to stack the box and dare Ramsey to make throws.

Do you agree or not?

[Griffey012]

I heard this scouting report from another Hoosier fan:



Do you agree or not?

I disagree. This seems like an extreme take.

Ramsey has below average arm strength, not a total noodle, but he doesn't have big time zip to nail the 20-30 yard throws unless a guy is pretty open. He is however, very accurate and displays good touch on short to mid range throws which allows his receivers, like Philyor and Fryfogle to get a lot of YAC. Even on screens the ball is almost always exactly where it needs to be. Thie bigger WR's like Westbrook and Hale still get a lot of sideline action because Ramsey is able to place the ball where only the WR can catch it.

His lack of deep ball ability does allow teams to play closer to the line, but the OC is good at creating space and spreading the defense out in spite of this. This did seem to become and issue against some of the better big ten defensive units such as OSU and Michigan.

[Sea Ray]

This fan also thinks Penix is too frail to hold up physically in the Big 10 due to his slight build. Do you agree with that?

[Griffey012]

This fan also thinks Penix is too frail to hold up physically in the Big 10 due to his slight build. Do you agree with that?

The injuries this year are certainly a concern, his build is slight but not too uncommon for a younger mobile college QB, it isn't much different from Lamar Jackson's stature at Louisville. If he doesn't add any weight/muscle I agree he will probably get banged up quite a bit, but I expect him to get bigger and stronger.

[Assembly Hall]

As to Ramsey...he would be the unquestioned starter on at a lot of FBS schools.

As to Penix...Kid has a cannon for an arm and wheels. The jury is still out on these injuries he has concurred.

Now IU's 3rd stringer(now 2nd) is Tuttle who was a 4 star coming out of HS and transferred in from Utah.

[Assembly Hall]

https://iuhoosiers.com/news/2019/12/12/football-diprimio-column-allens-gamble-pays-off-for-hoosiers.aspx

[Assembly Hall]

I am seeing Donovan Hale is ruled out for the year...thus ending his IU career.

[Sea Ray]

I am seeing Donovan Hale is ruled out for the year...thus ending his IU career.

What's the issue?

[Sea Ray]

Looks like IU is losing their offensive coordinator:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-kalen-deboer-expected-to-be-next-fresno-state-head-coach/

I would think IU fans would prefer this be announced after early signing day tomorrow. This is rough timing.

Will he coach in the Gator Bowl? I'd guess no but we'll see

[Assembly Hall]

What's the issue?

Injury/surgery

[Assembly Hall]

Looks like IU is losing their offensive coordinator:

https://footballscoop.com/news/sources-kalen-deboer-expected-to-be-next-fresno-state-head-coach/

I would think IU fans would prefer this be announced after early signing day tomorrow. This is rough timing.

Will he coach in the Gator Bowl? I'd guess no but we'll see

The Hoosiers will be fine for signing day...as far as coaching in the Gator, I don't know...

[Sea Ray]

The Hoosiers will be fine for signing day...as far as coaching in the Gator, I don't know...

They're ranked 49th with only one recruit higher than a 3:

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

You may call that fine but I call that mediocre at best. You're never going to make progress vs PSU, UM and OSU with 3* talents

[Assembly Hall]

They're ranked 49th with only one recruit higher than a 3:

https://247sports.com/Season/2020-Football/CompositeTeamRankings/

You may call that fine but I call that mediocre at best. You're never going to make progress vs PSU, UM and OSU with 3* talents

It is IU football...

[Assembly Hall]

Nice article...

https://www.si.com/college/indiana/football/indiana-kalen-deboer-coach-in-gator-bowl

[Griffey012]

It is IU football...

If we have a similar class next year I would be disappointed. Good seasons usually have an impact the following recruiting season.

[oregonred]

I love what IU has done over the last ten years with a modern offense in the B1G and being outgunned on overall talent. They went 5-4 in conference albeit beating the 5 worst teams in the league and losing to the tougher B1G East schools.

The combined conference record of the five B1G opponents IU beat this year (not counting wins amongst the group) was 2-29 with both wins over Illinois. With a terrible OOC conference they are about as weak an 8-4 B1G team as possible.

With $60M a year coming from the TV contracts, would think IU could step it up a bit. With a strong commitment they should be as good or better a football program as Michigan State. The location is farther South and would seem better for recruiting mid-south recruits and Western and Central Ohio kids too

[Assembly Hall]

I love what IU has done over the last ten years with a modern offense in the B1G and being outgunned on overall talent. They went 5-4 in conference albeit beating the 5 worst teams in the league and losing to the tougher B1G East schools.

The combined conference record of the five B1G opponents IU beat this year (not counting wins amongst the group) was 2-29 with both wins over Illinois. With a terrible OOC conference they are about as weak an 8-4 B1G team as possible.

With $60M a year coming from the TV contracts, would think IU could step it up a bit. With a strong commitment they should be as good or better a football program as Michigan State. The location is farther South and would seem better for recruiting mid-south recruits and Western and Central Ohio kids too

You got me lost on IU's 5 wins and the combined record of those they beat. Off memory Purdue and Nebraska both went 3-6 in conference. Northwestern and Maryland both went 1-8. Rutgers never won.

As far as the money that has become a sore spot for Hoosier fans. The IU President is not a sports lover. Therefore, he doesn't put that TV money into what it should go to.

[Assembly Hall]

If we have a similar class next year I would be disappointed. Good seasons usually have an impact the following recruiting season.

I understand and agree. Once again going off memory, the guys they got this year were verbally committed before the outcome of this season maybe save the RB from New Pal. But this squad is young, so there was not going to be a big class. The Hoosiers need to keep this momentum moving forward.

[Griffey012]

The combined conference record of the five B1G opponents IU beat this year (not counting wins amongst the group) was 2-29 with both wins over Illinois. With a terrible OOC conference they are about as weak an 8-4 B1G team as possible.

Places that do real analysis seem to disagree that IU is about as bad of an 8-4 Big Ten team as possible. Football Outsiders has them ranked 41st according to FEI rankings, which is right there with Michigan State, Miss St, Kentucky, Tennessee. Seems about right to me. Their 4 big ten losses were against #6, #9, #13, and #25 at the time of the games. The teams they beat are bad, but it isn't like they got lucky and snuck out wins against everyone. The three better teams (Maryland, Purdue, Nebraska) were on the road. The beat NW and Rutgers handily at home.

IU beat the weaker big ten teams, but they also took Penn State to the wire on the road, and probably should have come out with a W but Big Ten officiating had other ideas. There might not be a lot of difference between Indiana and Minnesota, tbh.

That whole 2-29 stat is pretty pointless. You are basically just pointing out that the top half big ten teams don't lose that many games to the bottom half big ten teams, that the Ohio States and Michigan's don't lose to the lower teams often. Everyone already knew that.

[oregonred]

Places that do real analysis seem to disagree that IU is about as bad of an 8-4 Big Ten team as possible. Football Outsiders has them ranked 41st according to FEI rankings, which is right there with Michigan State, Miss St, Kentucky, Tennessee. Seems about right to me. Their 4 big ten losses were against #6, #9, #13, and #25 at the time of the games. The teams they beat are bad, but it isn't like they got lucky and snuck out wins against everyone. The three better teams (Maryland, Purdue, Nebraska) were on the road. The beat NW and Rutgers handily at home.

IU beat the weaker big ten teams, but they also took Penn State to the wire on the road, and probably should have come out with a W but Big Ten officiating had other ideas. There might not be a lot of difference between Indiana and Minnesota, tbh.

That whole 2-29 stat is pretty pointless. You are basically just pointing out that the top half big ten teams don't lose that many games to the bottom half big ten teams, that the Ohio States and Michigan's don't lose to the lower teams often. Everyone already knew that.

Excellent analysis. IU looked good but Rutgers also took PSU into the second half. The B1G was top heavy this year, but the bottom 4-5 teams were really bad. The middle tier was IU, Illinois and Mich State.

One of the few interesting bowl game matchups

[oregonred]

You got me lost on IU's 5 wins and the combined record of those they beat. Off memory Purdue and Nebraska both went 3-6 in conference. Northwestern and Maryland both went 1-8. Rutgers never won.

As far as the money that has become a sore spot for Hoosier fans. The IU President is not a sports lover. Therefore, he doesn't put that TV money into what it should go to.

9-36 combined record, but 2-29 in games outside the bottom five pod. The Bottom of the B1G was really bad this year

[Griffey012]

Excellent analysis. IU looked good but Rutgers also took PSU into the second half. The B1G was top heavy this year, but the bottom 4-5 teams were really bad. The middle tier was IU, Illinois and Mich State.

One of the few interesting bowl game matchups

Penn State also beat Rutgers 27-6. Indiana outgained PSU by almost 100 yards, the main difference was some questionable officiating on turnovers in a 7 point game. In my full assessment of the IU season, I would sum it up as I have no idea what to make of it. It could be pretty much a mirage, or it could be fairly legit and the weaker big ten wins are just a by product. It is really hard to gauge since they barely played anyone that wasn't top 10 or bottom 3rd of the country. MSU, Nebraska, and Purdue are the only teams that fell in the middle but they all had their own issues throughout the season.

[Assembly Hall]

Lest us not forget there were a plenty that thought Nebraska was gonna win the BIG west.

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20191226/taxslayer-gator-bowl-tennessee-indiana-fans-help-boost-ticket-sales-past-55k

[oregonred]

https://www.jacksonville.com/sports/20191226/taxslayer-gator-bowl-tennessee-indiana-fans-help-boost-ticket-sales-past-55k

Impressive. This is the first ever Florida bowl game in 132 years of Indiana Football? That is crazy

[Assembly Hall]

Impressive. This is the first ever Florida bowl game in 132 years of Indiana Football? That is crazy

Welcome to my world...

[Assembly Hall]

Game day...time to see how the Hoosiers stack up.

[Sea Ray]

Game day...time to see how the Hoosiers stack up.

Looking forward to it. I'm wearing my Orange and flying my flag outside my house. Only problem is, win or lose I'll be sad afterwards 'cause I'll have to wait 8 months for the next game.

[Sea Ray]

Simon Stepaniak will not play due to injury. Is he any good? Is this a loss for IU?

[Assembly Hall]

Simon Stepaniak will not play due to injury. Is he any good? Is this a loss for IU?

Yes, it hurts.

[Assembly Hall]

Ugly 1st half UT up 6-3

[Sea Ray]

Tennessee turnovers are ugly

[Assembly Hall]

19-9 IU, Hoosiers driving

[Assembly Hall]

22-9 IU

[Sea Ray]

22-9 IU

I'll concede right now.

There's going to be an awful lot of pressure on Tennessee's incoming freshman QB to start right away. They need competent QB play and bad. They'll never get above 7-5 seasons without better QB play. Watch the name Harrison Bailey. I hate putting that much pressure on him but that's where they're headed

[Assembly Hall]

I'll concede right now.

There's going to be an awful lot of pressure on Tennessee's incoming freshman QB to start right away. They need competent QB play and bad. They'll never get above 7-5 seasons without better QB play. Watch the name Harrison Bailey. I hate putting that much pressure on him but that's where they're headed

22-16 IU Vols with the ball

[adkindo]

Indiana giving this one away....

[adkindo]

Tennessee may have scored too early.

[Boston Red]

Tennessee may have scored too early.

No way. They need to score again if you catch my drift.

[adkindo]

why would Tennessee waste a timeout? Hope this kid nails it.

[adkindo]

I agree....why were the refs holding up the kick....the guy had to do his routine a couple times, and still had to stand back there for too long.

[Boston Red]

He was short. Still a prayer for IU.

(And me! I'll take a pick 6. If not, may as well have IU win in miraculous fashion).

[Boston Red]

What an idiotic mistake by Tennessee. Lol

[North]

And Tenn takes the win 23 - 22.

[adkindo]

one of the better bowl games for someone without a dog in the fight

[Revering4Blue]

Damn! What a kick in the crotch.

[Playadlc]

Sports are dumb.

[Sea Ray]

I had no idea this many Redszoners were watching this meaningless Bowl game. Wow. AH, I guess we really generated some interest...:)

[Playadlc]

One of the tougher losses I can remember.

[adkindo]

If you are Indiana, you have to build on the season and do whatever it takes to not have a down year next season. It will not be easy, but a couple more very good seasons, and they can entrench themselves in that 2nd tier of Big10 teams. Seem like the last decade they have blown a couple big games, and ended up under .500....can't go back next year if you want this season to be meaningful.

[Assembly Hall]

I had no idea this many Redszoners were watching this meaningless Bowl game. Wow. AH, I guess we really generated some interest...:)

LOL...beside the teams that were involved it was one helluva ball game. My congrats SR...but keep your eye on those Hoosiers.

[dubc47834]

I had no idea this many Redszoners were watching this meaningless Bowl game. Wow. AH, I guess we really generated some interest...:)

Meaningless....hahahaha...not for IU football fans!

[Assembly Hall]

If you are Indiana, you have to build on the season and do whatever it takes to not have a down year next season. It will not be easy, but a couple more very good seasons, and they can entrench themselves in that 2nd tier of Big10 teams. Seem like the last decade they have blown a couple big games, and ended up under .500....can't go back next year if you want this season to be meaningful.

Umm, that was our back-up QB and back-up RB tonight. We will be fine next year.

[Playadlc]

Weren’t even ready for the onside kick.

Just inexcusable.

[Sea Ray]

LOL...beside the teams that were involved it was one helluva ball game. My congrats SR...but keep your eye on those Hoosiers.

I have no idea how Tenn pulled out that win. They played like crap. 2 INTs. All kinds of jumping offsides. One pick 6 given up. First time all yr that a team came from 13 down in the last 5 mins to win a game in FBS.

See you when we next meet again...probably in 30 yrs if history is any indication...

[Assembly Hall]

I have no idea how Tenn pulled out that win. They played like crap. 2 INTs. All kinds of jumping offsides. One pick 6 given up. First time all yr that a team came from 13 down in the last 5 mins to win a game in FBS.

See you when we next meet again...probably in 30 yrs if history is any indication...

Hopefully we meet before 30 years...I doubt I will be alive in 2050!

[Sea Ray]

Hopefully we meet before 30 years...I doubt I will be alive in 2050!

Point is it doesn't happen very often. I am looking forward to 2020 and I'm bummed that I have to wait 8 months. My Vols will take the nation's second longest winning streak into 2020

[Assembly Hall]

Point is it doesn't happen very often. I am looking forward to 2020 and I'm bummed that I have to wait 8 months. My Vols will take the nation's second longest winning streak into 2020

That is IU's fault for not getting to bowl games very often...

[Boston Red]

Do Louisville and IU play the opener in Indy next year? Or is that 2021?

EDIT: OK, I looked it up, and that doesn't start until 2023. Didn't realize it was scheduled THAT far out in the future. Nevermind.

[Assembly Hall]

Do Louisville and IU play the opener in Indy next year? Or is that 2021?

EDIT: OK, I looked it up, and that doesn't start until 2023. Didn't realize it was scheduled THAT far out in the future. Nevermind.

I do believe IU has a home and home coming up against UC?

[Sea Ray]

Can any of you tell me why your coach was drenched in Gatorade after the game? I couldn't figure out why the losing coach was drenched at the post game handshake while the winning coach was dry.

[Assembly Hall]

Can any of you tell me why your coach was drenched in Gatorade after the game? I couldn't figure out why the losing coach was drenched at the post game handshake while the winning coach was dry.

I haven't seen anything about it on HSN..but I have seen reports that a Vol player missed Pruitt and got Allen at midfield. All I got...

[Sea Ray]

..but I have seen reports that a Vol player missed Pruitt and got Allen at midfield. All I got...

That's what the social media on Vols boards are saying too

[Assembly Hall]

See ya next year...

https://iuhoosiers.com/news/2020/1/6/reality-check-indiana-is-built-for-long-term-football-success.aspx

[Sea Ray]

Any comments? Is this expected?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2020/01/27/peyton-ramsey-iu-football-quarterback-elder-transfer-portal/4592636002/

[Griffey012]

Any comments? Is this expected?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2020/01/27/peyton-ramsey-iu-football-quarterback-elder-transfer-portal/4592636002/

I'm not sure I would say expected but it doesn't surprise me. Considering Ramsey didn't enter the portal when losing the starting job this past season, it wouldn't have surprised me if he stuck around. But I can't blame him at all for entering, he will likely get a starting QB gig at a good program and was going to have to get used to a new OC anyway.

[BillDoran]

I'm not sure I would say expected but it doesn't surprise me. Considering Ramsey didn't enter the portal when losing the starting job this past season, it wouldn't have surprised me if he stuck around. But I can't blame him at all for entering, he will likely get a starting QB gig at a good program and was going to have to get used to a new OC anyway.

In addition to Penix, IU has Jack Tuttle hanging around. Obviously, he was behind Ramsey on the depth chart, but he was the No. 8 QB (of the drop-back variety) coming out of high school in 2018. Think he's a legacy with one transfer under his belt, so he likely won't be leaving anytime soon. He might have been overvalued coming out of high school, but that's a pretty big time QB on the roster.

I do wonder if Ramsey is one of the guys that you don't fully appreciate in the moment. He had his share of physical limitations, but you can't argue with the results. Hard to wish him anything but the best at his next stop.

[Assembly Hall]

Any comments? Is this expected?

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/high-school/ohio-high-school/2020/01/27/peyton-ramsey-iu-football-quarterback-elder-transfer-portal/4592636002/

We have been talking about this for awhile on the IU boards. On my end, it was expected.

[Assembly Hall]

In addition to Penix, IU has Jack Tuttle hanging around. Obviously, he was behind Ramsey on the depth chart, but he was the No. 8 QB (of the drop-back variety) coming out of high school in 2018. Think he's a legacy with one transfer under his belt, so he likely won't be leaving anytime soon. He might have been overvalued coming out of high school, but that's a pretty big time QB on the roster.

I do wonder if Ramsey is one of the guys that you don't fully appreciate in the moment. He had his share of physical limitations, but you can't argue with the results. Hard to wish him anything but the best at his next stop.

I would add that IU has a dual threat QB coming in...his name escapes me but they got one coming in. A southern boy(Georgia?) I do believe.

[Assembly Hall]

Ronnie Walker has entered the transfer portal...