Reds @ Mets 5-2-19 12:10 PM

[ochoa30]

Unacceptable showing by this umpire. What a joke. But the bigger joke is this offense. Ugh.

[JCM11]

whatever.....you have 2 strikes....you can't watch that one and hope the ump does not give the pitcher an inch

You can absolutely watch it when it's 4+ inches off the plate.

[Ron Madden]

This game thread is every bit as depressing as today’s game.
and the ump does suck

[Ladeda]

This ump doesn't have a clue

To be fair, he was giving both pitchers a few extra inches on the strike zone. Mahle got a few a few K's on high and outside pitches. Hitters have to adjust an expand their strike zone when the Ump is calling it like he was.

[wvreds]

Thom: "Oh whats it matter we can't hit anyway" LOL

[OGB]

Puig K's looking. No idea if it was another bad call or not since I am listening.

It was, but it was close enough that he should've protected the plate.

Foxtrax showed it a couple inches off the plate

[Boston Red]

It was 100 mph off the plate, what, exactly, did you want Puig to do with that?

Foul it off. Not REALLY blaming Puig, but the ump was calling that.

[BuckWild03]

Marty Foster (the ump) obviously had some place to be. The strike zone became significantly wider in the 9th inning.

[mamell]

True.. When the ump is on the pitcher's side you really can't expect to get a ball called .. You HAVE to swing the bat there. Puig failed dramatically..

Oh well...split the series.. Better than losing it..

[Baseballdad]

Nope. It was a strike. Winker was selfish and not thinking of the team.

This ump was bad all day! Give me a break!!

[adkindo]

the ump was bad all game for both sides....but down 1 run with a guy in scoring position with 2 outs and 2 strikes....you can't risk watching that especially because the ump has been bad

[JCM11]

Puig K's looking. No idea if it was another bad call or not since I am listening.

Oh it was a very bad(and late) call. Embarrassing for MLB to have umps this bad.

[Ron Gant]

That ump deserves a good old fashioned mugging walking to his car.

[androosh]

Foster was terrible today, but at least he was fairly consistent. I saw those inside/outside pitches called incorrectly most of the game on both sides. It's a shame a home run to the opposing pitcher is what lost the game.

[cumberlandreds]

Marty Foster (the ump) obviously had some place to be. The strike zone became significantly wider in the 9th inning.

Maybe Foster had the runs. The Reds obviously didn't today.

[alwaysawarrior]

To be fair, he was giving both pitchers a few extra inches on the strike zone. Mahle got a few a few K's on high and outside pitches. Hitters have to adjust an expand their strike zone when the Ump is calling it like he was.

To be fair that ball wasn't even remotely close to a strike and Puig swinging at wouldn't change anything. He's not hitting 100 mph 4" off the plate.

[RED VAN HOT]

.......and we end the game with an embarrassingly bad and late called third strike. Bring on the automated strike zone please.

How much more inaccurate be than what I have seen today.

[NebraskaRed]

This ump was bad all day! Give me a break!!

so it's better to get thrown out of the game mid-AB and put your team at an even greater disadvantage?

[adkindo]

You can absolutely watch it when it's 4+ inches off the plate.

that was not 4" off the plate....it missed by an inch at best

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you guys claiming that ball was 4" off the plate are worse than the ump

[NebraskaRed]

That ump deserves a good old fashioned mugging walking to his car.

Yikes

[mamell]

Seems the Reds are trying to set a new record for 4 hit games.. I'm still wondering how many no hitters they'll "hit" into this season.. Right now I'm thinking more than zero.

[malcontent]

Couple years ago I saw Winker jawing a lot with an ump in Chattanooga.

Thought then that this guy is going to gain a rep for it.

[Boston Red]

Yikes

I'm SURE what the esteemed Mr. Gant meant was that someone should take a picture of him on his way to the car and that the home plate umpire should mug for the camera. Certainly nothing untoward!

[JCM11]

that was not 4" off the plate....it missed by an inch at best

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you guys claiming that ball was 4" off the plate are worse than the ump

It wasn't even close to the plate.

[JCM11]

so it's better to get thrown out of the game mid-AB and put your team at an even greater disadvantage?

What I saw on the replay was Winker barely shake his head and maybe say a few words. Then the ump jumps out from behind the catcher to confront Winker. That's when Winker got hot when the clown ump stepped up to him.

[mamell]

Maybe Foster had the runs. The Reds obviously didn't today.

When the umpire gets more runs than either team.. He must have been running for the diarrhea king of the day..

[Spanky]

call sucked but the offense sucked more, which probably has something to do with the calls... but what do I know.

[Ladeda]

To be fair that ball wasn't even remotely close to a strike and Puig swinging at wouldn't change anything. He's not hitting 100 mph 4" off the plate.

To be fair, Puig wouldn't have gotten a hit even if Thor threw actual strikes.

[cumberlandreds]

Usually these weekday afternoon games are never over before I leave work which is at 3 pm. Today it was over 45 minutes before getting off time. Darn it! I have to work now!

[adkindo]

To be fair, Puig wouldn't have gotten a hit even if Thor threw actual strikes.

seriously, I would have no issue moving this guy....he has not been good for a couple years. Also, when will Tyler Stephenson be ready because something has to be done to upgrade the Catcher position....I was in on Barnhart a couple years ago, but the last couple seasons he has proven to not be a good enough hitter to remain in the lineup long term.

[NebraskaRed]

What I saw on the replay was Winker barely shake his head and maybe say a few words. Then the ump jumps out from behind the catcher to confront Winker. That's when Winker got hot when the clown ump stepped up to him.

even if that's the case, Winker still had the choice not to engage with him and stay in the game. I'm not defending the ump, I'm criticizing Winker.

[mamell]

Nope. It was a strike. Winker was selfish and not thinking of the team.

Oh yeah...Jesse is nothing but selfish not caring about the team, huh? Easy to sit at home and declare such silliness... you might sit at home and declare WWIII too..

[JCM11]

OK after seeing it again I'll give the ump a break and say that last pitch to Puig was 3 1/2 inches outside.

[NebraskaRed]

Oh yeah...Jesse is nothing but selfish not caring about the team, huh? Easy to sit at home and declare such silliness... you might sit at home and declare WWIII too..

In that moment, he was selfish. He took himself out of the game by deciding to engage with an idiot umpire.

[JCM11]

even if that's the case, Winker still had the choice not to engage with him and stay in the game. I'm not defending the ump, I'm criticizing Winker.

We don't know what the ump said to Winker. He was clearly jawing with Winker and stepped out from behind the catcher. Totally unprofessional behavior to go with the unprofessional calls.

[Ron Gant]

even if that's the case, Winker still had the choice not to engage with him and stay in the game. I'm not defending the ump, I'm criticizing Winker.

Your point of view on this is wrong.

[NebraskaRed]

We don't know what the ump said to Winker. He was clearly jawing with Winker and stepped out from behind the catcher. Totally unprofessional behavior to go with the unprofessional calls.

yep the umpire was horrible and unprofessional, and did Winker have to say anything back?

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Your point of view on this is wrong.

how should we rate your point of view calling for the umpire to be assaulted on his way to the parking lot?

[mamell]

seriously, I would have no issue moving this guy....he has not been good for a couple years. Also, when will Tyler Stephenson be ready because something has to be done to upgrade the Catcher position....I was in on Barnhart a couple years ago, but the last couple seasons he has proven to not be a good enough hitter to remain in the lineup long term.

You mean you're not all in on Chris Okey and his career .200? Johnny he ain't..

By the way, how is Stephenson doing behind the plate? How's his throwing arm, etc?

[Ron Gant]

yep the umpire was horrible and unprofessional, and did Winker have to say anything back?

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how should we rate your point of view calling for the umpire to be assaulted on his way to the parking lot?


As being awesome.

[NebraskaRed]

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As being awesome.

lol

[Tony Cloninger]

This game thread is every bit as depressing as today’s game.
and the ump does suck

I agree. I mean every other Game sounds like it’s Eric Gregg behind the plate with Livan Hernandez pitching.
Mea

[Ladeda]

I am wrong. Apparently Bob Welch tossed a shutout and HR'd in the same game. (Vs the Reds no less.) So Noah wasn't the first to accomplish this feat. Apologies for relaying the wrong information I gleened from another website.

[mamell]

In that moment, he was selfish. He took himself out of the game by deciding to engage with an idiot umpire.

Jesse certainly isn't the first guy to argue with an umpire and certainly won't be the last. It's just a part of the game for better or worse. I don't see it as selfish at all. Sometimes you just have to take a stand even when you know you're going to lose. That's not selfish and in many peoples minds very commendable to stand up and be counted.

[cumberlandreds]

I am wrong. Apparently Bob Welch tossed a shutout and HR'd in the same game. (Vs the Reds no less.) So Noah wasn't the first to accomplish this feat. Apologies for relaying the wrong information I gleened from another website.

Here's a list of them. I think this article was written quite a few years ago and you can add Madison Bumgarner and Clayton Kershaw to that list.

Hitting a home run to win a 1–0 ballgame is a special event. Of the many times this has happened in the majors, a pitcher performed the feat 13 times. Table 8 is the list of pitchers who have hit a home run to win a 1–0 game. Seeing Red Ruffing (36 career home runs) or Milt Pappas (20) on this list is not surprising. However, Harry McCormick and Odalis Perez each hit his only career homer in a 1–0 contest, while Gene Packard and Bob Welch only hit two career four-baggers. There are many long gaps between occurrences on this list and yet it happened twice in 1962!

Table 8. Pitchers Homering in 1–0 Game

Batter Game Date Team
Harry McCormick 07/26/1879 SYR NL
Tom Hughes 08/03/1906 WAS AL
Gene Packard 09/29/1915 KC FL
Red Ruffing 08/13/1932 NYA AL
Spud Chandler 05/21/1938 NYA AL
Early Wynn 05/01/1959 CHA AL
Milt Pappas 04/18/1962 BAL AL
Johnny Klippstein 08/06/1962 CIN NL
Jim Bunning 05/05/1965 PHI NL
Juan Pizarro 09/16/1971 CHN NL
Bob Welch 06/17/1983 LAN NL
Odalis Perez 08/28/2002 LAN NL
Yovani Gallardo 04/29/2009 MIL NL


https://sabr.org/research/pitchers-dig-long-ball

[mhs95_06]

OK after seeing it again I'll give the ump a break and say that last pitch to Puig was 3 1/2 inches outside.

You are not comparing the inside edge of the ball to the outside edge of the plate.

[mamell]

yep the umpire was horrible and unprofessional, and did Winker have to say anything back?

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how should we rate your point of view calling for the umpire to be assaulted on his way to the parking lot?

As easy as it might be to want to suggest beating an umpire up after a game I'm not in line with such suggestions.. Now in the NFL it might be a whole different ball game.. Some of those guys seem to be on the payroll of certain teams..

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You are not comparing the inside edge of the ball to the outside edge of the plate.

Don't forget the thickness of the seams and any insects that might get in the way on the ball's travel to the catchers mitt.. Yup, don't overlook those important issues..

[JCM11]

You are not comparing the inside edge of the ball to the outside edge of the plate.

Neither was the umpire or else he wouldn't have called that a strike.

[DocRed]

Honestly I was embarrassed by Winkers antics the last 2 nights. NY fans heckling opposing players?? Oh the shock! He brought today on himself...and ya I think Foster wanted to ring Farmer and Puig up after that.

[Spanky]

Honestly I was embarrassed by Winkers antics the last 2 nights. NY fans heckling opposing players?? Oh the shock! He brought today on himself...

So what you're saying is that Marty Foster is a Mets fan.

[PuffyPig]

seriously, I would have no issue moving this guy....he has not been good for a couple years.


You're definition of "a couple of years" must be different than mine.

Puig has a 119 OPS+ in both 2017 and 2018.

[BCubb2003]

I think Winker will be fine, but he’s like a little brother trying to be Joey Votto, who messes with the fans and talks back to umps, but he’s trying too hard and hasn’t been around long, so it’s a little off.

[JCM11]

I have to say after the impressive first to third on a single the other night and the SB today Lorenzen is easily the best athlete on the team.

[NebraskaRed]

Jesse certainly isn't the first guy to argue with an umpire and certainly won't be the last. It's just a part of the game for better or worse. I don't see it as selfish at all. Sometimes you just have to take a stand even when you know you're going to lose. That's not selfish and in many peoples minds very commendable to stand up and be counted.

if he wanted to play out the rest of his AB, whatever would have happened, and then said something to the ump, then I don't think anyone would have had a problem with it. I have zero issue with arguing with an umpire. I quite enjoyed his waving and interacting with Mets fans. I have a problem with taking yourself out of a 1-0 game in the middle of your at-bat when his presence in the game could have made a difference.

[Rantly]

Here's a list of them. I think this article was written quite a few years ago and you can add Madison Bumgarner and Clayton Kershaw to that list.

Hitting a home run to win a 1–0 ballgame is a special event. Of the many times this has happened in the majors, a pitcher performed the feat 13 times. Table 8 is the list of pitchers who have hit a home run to win a 1–0 game. Seeing Red Ruffing (36 career home runs) or Milt Pappas (20) on this list is not surprising. However, Harry McCormick and Odalis Perez each hit his only career homer in a 1–0 contest, while Gene Packard and Bob Welch only hit two career four-baggers. There are many long gaps between occurrences on this list and yet it happened twice in 1962!

Table 8. Pitchers Homering in 1–0 Game

Batter Game Date Team
Harry McCormick 07/26/1879 SYR NL
Tom Hughes 08/03/1906 WAS AL
Gene Packard 09/29/1915 KC FL
Red Ruffing 08/13/1932 NYA AL
Spud Chandler 05/21/1938 NYA AL
Early Wynn 05/01/1959 CHA AL
Milt Pappas 04/18/1962 BAL AL
Johnny Klippstein 08/06/1962 CIN NL
Jim Bunning 05/05/1965 PHI NL
Juan Pizarro 09/16/1971 CHN NL
Bob Welch 06/17/1983 LAN NL
Odalis Perez 08/28/2002 LAN NL
Yovani Gallardo 04/29/2009 MIL NL


https://sabr.org/research/pitchers-dig-long-ball

Do you know how many of these pitchers pitched a complete game shutout? That is what Thor did today as well as apparently Bob Welch.

[NebraskaRed]

Here's Foster calling a strike on a ball that was outside the zone by 4.46 inches

https://twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1124039787449602048

[Tony Cloninger]

Do you know how many of these pitchers pitched a complete game shutout? That is what Thor did today as well as apparently Bob Welch.


I saw that game with Vin Scully and Ross Porter on KTTV 11 back in 1983.
It was the only way to see Reds games in LA by that point since they were no longer on MOnday Night baseball and NBC Game of the week.

[NebraskaRed]

nm

[NebraskaRed]

that was not 4" off the plate....it missed by an inch at best

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you guys claiming that ball was 4" off the plate are worse than the ump

4.1 inches

https://twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1124039787449602048

[Sea Ray]

4.1 inches

https://twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1124039787449602048

Here's the next question we have to answer: how accurate are those computers? I'd be fine with an automated strike zone eventually but only if they really have this technology down. I'm not sure we're at that point yet

[Baseballdad]

that was not 4" off the plate....it missed by an inch at best

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you guys claiming that ball was 4" off the plate are worse than the ump

Get glasses!!

[kaldaniels]

4.1 inches

https://twitter.com/UmpireAuditor/status/1124039787449602048

Family board.

Though I don’t know if I’d advertise that.

[CrackerJack]

Get glasses!!

Exactly the kind of post I'd expect to see from a member with that forum name.

[HammerTime]

Exactly the kind of post I'd expect to see from a member with that forum name.

:laugh:

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-mets/2019/05/02/566004#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=566004

[cumberlandreds]

Do you know how many of these pitchers pitched a complete game shutout? That is what Thor did today as well as apparently Bob Welch.

They all did.