Pirates @ Reds 12:35 Wed 5.29.19

[mamell]

Have you ever noticed some people only post in the game thread when the Reds are losing?

I had an excuse until today since they only lost when I watched. Haven't watched today and they're losing.. Maybe my curse has been broken. I CAN WATCH again without feeling bad... They again, they might score 8 in the next 2 innings.. They sky hasn't fallen!

[Tom Servo]

Well, I’d argue a sports forum doesn’t need a “standards police,” provided its basic rules are being followed. And I’m certainly perplexed that you were so triggered by my benign statement. I’m entertained by these guys, I try to watch every game I can, but ultimately, they are getting last-place results. In Year 6. It is what it is.


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Sorry man, wasn't meant to single you out, but this literally happens in the game thread after every loss and you just got an early jump on it. Starts to feel like being in a room full of Thom's.

[NebraskaRed]

if Raisel Iglesias doesn't pitch today, it will be one full week since he's pitched if he appears in Friday's game.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Sorry man, wasn't meant to single you out, but this literally happens in the game thread after every loss and you just got an early jump on it. Starts to feel like being in a room full of Thom's.

No one wants to be the Thom. [emoji23]

Just want to see them climb the ladder. It’s time.


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[BluegrassRedleg]

OK. This just got interesting again.


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[Burger Beer]

Had to know it was coming.

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When is Josh Bell up again?

[UKWhoDey]

Pittsburgh is pure trash.

[Ron Madden]

I hate Pittsburgh, they broke Genos hand last year

[ochoa30]

Why is hurdle so mad at that gum?

[mhs95_06]

Pittsburgh announcers say they can't figure out what is going on, just don't understand what this is about.

[Gunner44]

Pittsburgh boils my blood in every pro sport. Such a garbage fan base.

[Wonderful Monds]

Bell out there to get tossed again?

[Ron Madden]

David Bell is pissed! He has a right to be

[Burger Beer]

Bell's gonna get tossed. Then Benivedes will get tossed after retaliation. Who's next skipper up?

[mhs95_06]

Pittsburgh announcers say they can't figure out what is going on, just don't understand what this is about.

They say there was no way that pitch was thrown at Suarez on purpose.

[Wonderful Monds]

Missed the beaning. Time to start throwing at Pirates’ heads.

[UKWhoDey]

Give em hell Bell!!!!!!!!! Pirates and Steelers both absolute pure unadulterated trash!!!

[ochoa30]

I do like how Bell backs his players. Hes out there very quickly whenever something happens at all

[Ladeda]

I'm not saying it was the right move to leave Disco in there, but I am however saying that if a decision that Bell makes leads to a player not executing in the situation Bell is putting him in then it's always Bell's fault and never the player in the situation. when in reality it's a bit of both

Honestly-- the real issue there was the lack of a left hander in the pen. Bell wanted to save Amir I guess, so really there was no other option than to ride with Disco, or bring in a right handed reliever. Literally a No Win situation. Leave in Disco who gets crushed by lefties, or a right handed reliever who gets crushed slightly less vs lefties. My (slight) beef is him not having Amir warming up-- considering how Bell was due up 3rd in the inning and he has been a beast this year.

I'm pretty sure the Reds now will be looking for a way to add another lefty to the pen. Be it calling Peralta back up, or someone else. (TBF- Peralta was worse against lefties than righties. Same with Zach Duke.) The Reds really only have 2 good options out of the pen vs lefties. Amir and Iglesias. The Reds can't keep going with just 1 lefty out of the pen. This won't be the last time this year a team loads up on lefties to where the Reds need multiple lefties out of the pen in a game.

Oh well, I'm not going to let this one bother me. Still being shutout anyway. Time to take 2 of 3 vs Washington and then 2 of 3 vs St Louis.

[Ron Madden]

They say there was no way that pitch was thrown at Suarez on purpose.

They’re Full Of Spit!!!

[Redeye fly]

Not like there's some big comeback coming but horrible AB by Iglesias. Swung at the last two pitches that weren't anywhere close to being high enough or even catching any part of the plate whatsoever. Might have had a chance to hit those pitches with a hockey stick.

[ochoa30]

Not like there's some big comeback coming but horrible AB by Iglesias. Swung at the last two pitches that weren't anywhere close to being high enough or even catching any part of the plate whatsoever. Might have had a chance to hit those pitches with a hockey stick.

Agreed. You never know and this guy has been wild. Just a non competitive AB there for whatever reason

[Ron Madden]

RBI Dietrich!

[Spanky]

What happened to Geno I didn't see it

[Burger Beer]

Bring in Sims next inning. He could send a message before catching the bus back to Louisville.

[Redeye fly]

What happened to Geno I didn't see it

Hit on top of the left hand with a 95 mph fastball.

[NatiRedGals]

What happened to Geno I didn't see it

Hit in same hand he broke last year by a pirates pitcher

[Kc61]

Honestly-- the real issue there was the lack of a left hander in the pen. Bell wanted to save Amir I guess, so really there was no other option than to ride with Disco, or bring in a right handed reliever. Literally a No Win situation. Leave in Disco who gets crushed by lefties, or a right handed reliever who gets crushed slightly less vs lefties. My (slight) beef is him not having Amir warming up-- considering how Bell was due up 3rd in the inning and he has been a beast this year.

I'm pretty sure the Reds now will be looking for a way to add another lefty to the pen. Be it calling Peralta back up, or someone else. (TBF- Peralta was worse against lefties than righties. Same with Zach Duke.) The Reds really only have 2 good options out of the pen vs lefties. Amir and Iglesias. The Reds can't keep going with just 1 lefty out of the pen. This won't be the last time this year a team loads up on lefties to where the Reds need multiple lefties out of the pen in a game.

Oh well, I'm not going to let this one bother me. Still being shutout anyway. Time to take 2 of 3 vs Washington and then 2 of 3 vs St Louis.

I expected lefty Ian Krol at AAA to come up and replace Sims. I still expect it after the off-day tomorrow. My guess is Cody Reed was expected to come up but he’s injured now.

[mamell]

Thataway to show confidence when you're up by 6.. A long mound visit..

[TheTimeIsNow]

I hate when teams throw at each other. It's stupid. Hurdle used to be even worse than he is now, surprisingly. But there is double standard here that gets lost by each teams' fanbase. You are gonna disagree with me, but it's the truth.

Pirates hit a batter. Reds retaliate:
Reds fans- "Take that."
Pirates fans- "I hate the Reds. They are garbage. Pure trash."

Reds hit a batter. Pirates retaliate:
Reds fans- "I hate the Pirates. They are garbage. Pure trash."
Pirates fans- "Take that."

[mhs95_06]

Honestly-- the real issue there was the lack of a left hander in the pen. Bell wanted to save Amir I guess, so really there was no other option than to ride with Disco, or bring in a right handed reliever. Literally a No Win situation. Leave in Disco who gets crushed by lefties, or a right handed reliever who gets crushed slightly less vs lefties. My (slight) beef is him not having Amir warming up-- considering how Bell was due up 3rd in the inning and he has been a beast this year.

I'm pretty sure the Reds now will be looking for a way to add another lefty to the pen. Be it calling Peralta back up, or someone else. (TBF- Peralta was worse against lefties than righties. Same with Zach Duke.) The Reds really only have 2 good options out of the pen vs lefties. Amir and Iglesias. The Reds can't keep going with just 1 lefty out of the pen. This won't be the last time this year a team loads up on lefties to where the Reds need multiple lefties out of the pen in a game.

Oh well, I'm not going to let this one bother me. Still being shutout anyway. Time to take 2 of 3 vs Washington and then 2 of 3 vs St Louis.

I think Bell already said Duke would be back Friday.

[Burger Beer]

nm. already covered.

But I'm not against the practice. I usta like hockey goons.

[Kc61]

Would like to see Reds get back at this pitcher by messing up his ERA. Score some runs.

[powersackers]

Ya that hbp grinds my gears.

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[Big Klu]

THom makes an astute observation that the pitcher hasn't thrown anything inside since Geno got hit.

This tells me that the pitcher didn't really want to throw the pitch that hit him, but did it because he was ordered to.

[mhs95_06]

With Suarez probably going to be out for a while, who'll get the bulk of the playing time at 3B?

[Tony Cloninger]

Bring in Sims next inning. He could send a message before catching the bus back to Louisville.

He’s not Wilbur Wood. He just pitched 7 innings yesterday. I like your humor though. Please stay awhile.

[Tom Servo]

I expected lefty Ian Krol at AAA to come up and replace Sims. I still expect it after the off-day tomorrow. My guess is Cody Reed was expected to come up but he’s injured now.
Duke is supposed to be back for Friday.

[Burger Beer]

THom makes an astute observation that the pitcher hasn't thrown anything inside since Geno got hit.

This tells me that the pitcher didn't really want to throw the pitch that hit him, but did it because he was ordered to.

Not ordered to; peer pressure.

[Kc61]

Duke is supposed to be back for Friday.

Thanks, that explains why no move today.

[bigfoot52]

And Winker another easy ground ball hit to the right side. Like a recording.

[ochoa30]

Winker should feast on pitchers like that and got ahead in the count but could only muster a weak ground ball. Meh.

[Burger Beer]

He’s not Wilbur Wood. He just pitched 7 innings yesterday. I like your humor though. Please stay awhile.

Wouldn't have to even warm up. One pitch.

I'll be here all weekend. Tip your waitress...

[Kc61]

Iglesias on the mound to get some work.

No funny business, just pitch Raisel.

Don’t need any suspensions. Good chance to win a series this coming weekend.

[Ron Madden]

I bet none of the Pirate hitters dig in this inning

[TheTimeIsNow]

This is problem with the Pirates and Reds rivalry. Dietrich hits 3 bombs yesterday. Stares at one of them. Media talks about how the Pirates might retaliate. From that point on the next time the Pirates hit a guy, it is going to be taken as retaliation. It is a constant cycle. Clay Holmes is a terrible pitcher with a career 7.1 walks per nine innings. He threw inside and hit Suarez after he had already faced 3 batters with a 7-0 run lead. Why Suarez? Why wouldn't they wait for Dietrich if they wanted to retaliate? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST THROWN AT SOMEBODY YESTERDAY? It doesn't matter because no matter when the next time a Pirates pitcher hit a Red was going to be, it was going to be taken as retaliation.

[bigfoot52]

High and tight to Reynolds head and Thom is talking about something else.

[Burger Beer]

Bean Josh Bell.

Sorry new-school softies.

[Kc61]

Winker should feast on pitchers like that and got ahead in the count but could only muster a weak ground ball. Meh.

Winker simply needs to use the whole field and he’ll be ok.

With the shift it’s not business as usual.

Also needs to get back to his usual excellent plate discipline. That would help too.

[bigfoot52]

WTH Winker? The bus to Louisville leaves every 2 hours.

[Tracy Jones]

Give em hell Bell!!!!!!!!! Pirates and Steelers both absolute pure unadulterated trash!!!

You’re right. It was Steelers fans cheering when the Bengals QB was injured and throwing trash at him as he was carted off the field.

Wait a minute, no it wasn’t.

[adkindo]

WTH Winker? The bus to Louisville leaves every 2 hours.

guy is almost asking to be benched

[mamell]

If it were 7-7 I'd feel a lot worse..

[Burger Beer]

This is problem with the Pirates and Reds rivalry. Dietrich hits 3 bombs yesterday. Stares at one of them. Media talks about how the Pirates might retaliate. From that point on the next time the Pirates hit a guy, it is going to be taken as retaliation. It is a constant cycle. Clay Holmes is a terrible pitcher with a career 7.1 walks per nine innings. He threw inside and hit Suarez after he had already faced 3 batters with a 7-0 run lead. Why Suarez? Why wouldn't they wait for Dietrich if they wanted to retaliate? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST THROWN AT SOMEBODY YESTERDAY? It doesn't matter because no matter when the next time a Pirates pitcher hit a Red was going to be, it was going to be taken as retaliation.

Don't buy it. Not reality.

[TheTimeIsNow]

This is problem with the Pirates and Reds rivalry. Dietrich hits 3 bombs yesterday. Stares at one of them. Media talks about how the Pirates might retaliate. From that point on the next time the Pirates hit a guy, it is going to be taken as retaliation. It is a constant cycle. Clay Holmes is a terrible pitcher with a career 7.1 walks per nine innings. He threw inside and hit Suarez after he had already faced 3 batters with a 7-0 run lead. Why Suarez? Why wouldn't they wait for Dietrich if they wanted to retaliate? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST THROWN AT SOMEBODY YESTERDAY? It doesn't matter because no matter when the next time a Pirates pitcher hit a Red was going to be, it was going to be taken as retaliation.


Derek Dietrich and Eugenio Suarez both had at bats in the 7th inning last night when the score was 8-0. If the Pirates wanted to retaliate, they would have done it then.

It goes both ways. If the Reds hit Josh Bell the next time these 2 teams play, people are gonna say it was retaliation. I don't buy it. If the Reds wanted to retaliate, they would have just done it. It's a vicious cycle.

[bigfoot52]

guy is almost asking to be benched

Start working Dietrich out in the OF. When Votto returns, stick him out there. Sit Winker.

[Ron Madden]

This place is gonna be unbearable until the Reds win another game.

My God!

[Tracy Jones]

This place is gonna be unbearable until the Reds win another game.

My God!

Suggesting Winker going to the bench isn’t exactly a knee jerk hot take. He’s not good.

[gagliano]

THom loves some Reynolds.

is he from middletown, home of the gods?

[mamell]

Time for a 2 out 7 run rally.. Who's with me? See? See? Whadd-I say?

[NC Reds]

Senzel pulled that ball nicely.

[NebraskaRed]

Suggesting Winker going to the bench isn’t exactly a knee jerk hot take. He’s not good.

are you arguing that he's not good at all? or that he's having a not good season so far?

[Wonderful Monds]

Suggesting Winker going to the bench isn’t exactly a knee jerk hot take. He’s not good.

it actually is

[Ron Madden]

Good For Nick!

His power hasn’t vanished

[BluegrassRedleg]

The score was 0-0, Thom.


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[Burger Beer]

This place is gonna be unbearable until the Reds win another game.

My God!

I'm pretty happy to watch them NOW. And Senzel hits a dinger! Say HECK YEAH Ron!

[mamell]

Well....heck.. Oh well.. I expected them to win 162 games, but not all of them in this one season..

[Burger Beer]

I still miss the hockey goons.

[Tracy Jones]

it actually is

You’re so right. Career 0.2 WAR players don’t grow on trees. That’s why you’re the expert.

[ochoa30]

Senzel pulled that ball nicely.

Sure did. He has the ability. I've seen it enough in the minors. That's why I made that comment earlier. Felt like he was being a bit passive trying to hit everything through the shifted hole at second. Also why he should never bunt in a situation like that one earlier. Anyways, tough L today. Hopefully they come back and win the series against Washington this weekend. Some tough pitchers going for them though. Also hope Geno is ok more then anything.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is problem with the Pirates and Reds rivalry. Dietrich hits 3 bombs yesterday. Stares at one of them. Media talks about how the Pirates might retaliate. From that point on the next time the Pirates hit a guy, it is going to be taken as retaliation. It is a constant cycle. Clay Holmes is a terrible pitcher with a career 7.1 walks per nine innings. He threw inside and hit Suarez after he had already faced 3 batters with a 7-0 run lead. Why Suarez? Why wouldn't they wait for Dietrich if they wanted to retaliate? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST THROWN AT SOMEBODY YESTERDAY? It doesn't matter because no matter when the next time a Pirates pitcher hit a Red was going to be, it was going to be taken as retaliation.

Because Suarez is the reds best player, they waited until a/the game was out of reach, and the Pirates, Clint Hurdle, and their fans are a bunch of scumbags.

[adkindo]

are you arguing that he's not good at all? or that he's having a not good season so far?

he is not good at all in left field

[NebraskaRed]

You’re so right. Career 0.2 WAR players don’t grow on trees. That’s why you’re the expert.

One of the funniest things on Redszone is crazy overreaction anger.

[Burger Beer]

14933

[BluegrassRedleg]

Derek Dietrich and Eugenio Suarez both had at bats in the 7th inning last night when the score was 8-0. If the Pirates wanted to retaliate, they would have done it then.

It goes both ways. If the Reds hit Josh Bell the next time these 2 teams play, people are gonna say it was retaliation. I don't buy it. If the Reds wanted to retaliate, they would have just done it. It's a vicious cycle.

You don’t do it when people are looking for it. And you don’t hit the “offender,” you hit the best player, unless they are one and the same. This was standard operating procedure. A little different for Hurdle, who would typically just start hitting anyone and everyone. But he’s operating with a thin staff right now. Has to be more selective.


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[RedTeamGo!]

You’re so right. Career 0.2 WAR players don’t grow on trees. That’s why you’re the expert.

Do players with the following career batting line grow on trees, Mr. Expert?

282/374/462/836

[NeilHamburger]

I feel like the Reds have been 4 games under .500 for the last 6 weeks.

[Tracy Jones]

One of the funniest things on Redszone is crazy overreaction anger.

One guy says I’ve been “trashing” Winker for 2 years. Now you say it’s “crazy overreaction anger.” Maybe a meeting should be convened to synchronize talking points.

Anyway, the numbers on Jesse Winker are what they are. He’s a replacement player.

[TheTimeIsNow]

Because Suarez is the reds best player, they waited until a/the game was out of reach, and the Pirates, Clint Hurdle, and their fans are a bunch of scumbags.


The game wasn’t out of reach last night? 8-0. That’s seems out of reach.

[Tracy Jones]

Do players with the following career batting line grow on trees, Mr. Expert?

282/374/462/836

Zero point Two.

[Burger Beer]

You don’t do it when people are looking for it. And you don’t hit the “offender,” you hit the best player, unless they are one and the same. This was standard operating procedure. A little different for Hurdle, who would typically just start hitting anyone and everyone. But he’s operating with a thin staff right now. Has to be more selective.


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Sounds like you may have played an inning or two.

[RedTeamGo!]

One guy says I’ve been “trashing” Winker for 2 years. Now you say it’s “crazy overreaction anger.” Maybe a meeting should be convened to synchronize talking points.

Anyway, the numbers on Jesse Winker are what they are. He’s a replacement player.

282/374/462/836

The numbers indeed are what they are.

[NebraskaRed]

One guy says I’ve been “trashing” Winker for 2 years. Now you say it’s “crazy overreaction anger.” Maybe a meeting should be convened to synchronize talking points.

Anyway, the numbers on Jesse Winker are what they are. He’s a replacement player.

lol what the hell are you talking about?

[Tracy Jones]

blow it out your ass.

Good retort. That’s why you’re the expert.

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282/374/462/836

The numbers indeed are what they are.


Zero point Two

[RedTeamGo!]

Zero point Two.

You’re going to stan for the value of (highly questionable) defensive metrics with regard to left field?

[TheTimeIsNow]

I dont like Clint Hurdle either. I am just trying to make the point that these things get out of hand because of a whole lot of speculation. I am not a fan of it either.

[Tracy Jones]

You’re going to stan for the value of (highly questionable) defensive metrics with regard to left field?

Zero point Two

[TheTimeIsNow]

Anyway, I hope you folks aren’t taking what I am saying the wrong way. I enjoy coming on here and having baseball discussions, even if we do root for different teams. Good series. I look forward to the next one.

[Ron Madden]

One guy says I’ve been “trashing” Winker for 2 years. Now you say it’s “crazy overreaction anger.” Maybe a meeting should be convened to synchronize talking points.

Anyway, the numbers on Jesse Winker are what they are. He’s a replacement player.

Sounds like a narrative

[adkindo]

One of the funniest things on Redszone is crazy overreaction anger.

sure I will not make many friends with this, but I have been mostly surprised with the very low expectations of the long time members such as yourself. It is like the losing seasons have beaten your hopes into submission. Win one, lose one....many of you guys seem happy with just not going any lower. It just comes off as part of a losing culture sometimes. This is one of the few places where I have seen fans so excited to claim the title of "Mr. Reasonable"!

[Tracy Jones]

Sounds like a narrative

Sounds like his career WAR makes him a replacement player. Take it up with the fine folks at baseball reference if it upsets you.

[Tom Servo]

sure I will not make many friends with this, but I have been mostly surprised with the very low expectations of the long time members such as yourself. It is like the losing seasons have beaten your hopes into submission. Win one, lose one....many of you guys seem happy with just not going any lower. It just comes off as part of a losing culture sometimes. This is one of the few places where I have seen fans so excited to claim the title of "Mr. Reasonable"!
if we post enough angry things the Reds will start playing better

[NebraskaRed]

sure I will not make many friends with this, but I have been mostly surprised with the very low expectations of the long time members such as yourself. It is like the losing seasons have beaten your hopes into submission. Win one, lose one....many of you guys seem happy with just not going any lower. It just comes off as part of a losing culture sometimes. This is one of the few places where I have seen fans so excited to claim the title of "Mr. Reasonable"!

ok. Cool.

I was reacting to another poster getting upset about Jesse Winker, but go on with your instant psychoanalysis of me

[RedTeamGo!]

Zero point Two

It’s actually one point five if you by fangraphs.

But that’s neither here nor there. His defense is questionable, obviously, but are you really going to sit there and say a .374 career OBP and 836 OPS is bad because of his bWAR which has been 100% negatively effected by crappy defensive metrics?

But really, who cares, you have chosen to die on the Winker hate hill. Have fun with that.

[Ron Madden]

We need a winning streak

[RedTeamGo!]

Anyway, I hope you folks aren’t taking what I am saying the wrong way. I enjoy coming on here and having baseball discussions, even if we do root for different teams. Good series. I look forward to the next one.

Good series? The one in which your scumbag team may have just intentionally injured the best player on the reds?

Honestly, go away .

[Big Klu]

Good series? The one in which your scumbag team may have just intentionally injured the best player on the reds?

Honestly, go **** yourself.

Dude, that wasn't necessary.

[Tracy Jones]

It’s actually one point five if you by fangraphs.

But that’s neither here nor there. His defense is questionable, obviously, but are you really going to sit there and say a .374 career OBP and 836 OPS is bad because of his bWAR which has been 100% negatively effected by crappy defensive metrics?

But really, who cares, you have chosen to die on the Winker hate hill. Have fun with that.

I don’t hate Jesse Winker. He’s just not a very good baseball player, and scoffing at the mere mention that he should maybe go to the bench is ignorant homer fanboy stuff.

[Redeye fly]

Zero point Two.

Based of course more on bad defense than offense. Which isn't to say that defense doesn't count. It also doesn't say that 25 year old players can't improve with the bat and even the glove. Last year people were worried he would never hit for any power. That hasn't been a complaint this year.

If he becomes passable in LF or wherever he's not going to be "zero point two" no matter how often you repeat it like a stubborn childish know it all.

[Burger Beer]

I dont like Clint Hurdle either. I am just trying to make the point that these things get out of hand because of a whole lot of speculation. I am not a fan of it either.

There is no speculation. It is what it is.

I like Dietrich's swagger, but there is a price to be paid for it.

And when that price is paid, a counter-argument must be forcefully articulated.

Call me a caveman if you must, call me old school, just don't call me weak. I will throw at your head for that...

[NebraskaRed]

sure I will not make many friends with this, but I have been mostly surprised with the very low expectations of the long time members such as yourself. It is like the losing seasons have beaten your hopes into submission. Win one, lose one....many of you guys seem happy with just not going any lower. It just comes off as part of a losing culture sometimes. This is one of the few places where I have seen fans so excited to claim the title of "Mr. Reasonable"!

what do you think my reaction to the Reds losing today's game should be?

Should I rant and say this team is garbage and they'll finish in last place? should I vow not to watch another game? Should I say this player or that player should be released?

[Larry Schuler]

The Reds flew too close to .500.

[Tracy Jones]

Based of course more on bad defense than offense. Which isn't to say that defense doesn't count. It also doesn't say that 25 year old players can't improve with the bat and even the glove. Last year people were worried he would never hit for any power. That hasn't been a complaint this year.

If he becomes passable in LF or wherever he's not going to be "zero point two" no matter how often you repeat it like a stubborn childish know it all.

He can absolutely improve. Does that mean he’s untouchable and can’t possibly be a candidate for the bench? He is what he is until he isn’t anymore.

[Big Klu]

Who was the reporter who was trying to get DeSclafani to comment on the intent of the Suarez HBP? I thought he was trying to bait Disco.

[Alabama]

Based of course more on bad defense than offense. Which isn't to say that defense doesn't count. It also doesn't say that 25 year old players can't improve with the bat and even the glove. Last year people were worried he would never hit for any power. That hasn't been a complaint this year.

If he becomes passable in LF or wherever he's not going to be "zero point two" no matter how often you repeat it like a stubborn childish know it all.

I’m a Winker fan somewhat, love his approach and contact. But his struggles come from things that cannot be improved on. His athleticism and speed. About as close to a non athlete as you will find in a position player. As a matter of fact he will only get slower unfortunately.

[Wonderful Monds]

David Bell just said in the post game the Reds are now “going to start taking it into their own hands” and “doing anything that’s necessary” to stick up for themselves, “whatever it takes”, because the league and umpires aren’t going to protect them.

So, there’s gonna be retaliation. Which, good.

[Redeye fly]

He can absolutely improve. Does that mean he’s untouchable and can’t possibly be a candidate for the bench? He is what he is until he isn’t anymore.

Well yeah he can be a candidate for the bench. But you need someone better than him for that to happen too. It won't be Peraza. It COULD be Dietrich if he continues hitting like this seeing as how he likely won't be much if any better defensively in LF.

[Big Klu]

David Bell is going to be suspended.

He just said that it is obvious the Pirates intentionally throw at players, that they have done it before and been allowed to do it, and that the umpires and the league are not interested in protecting our players, so we will have to take things into our own hands.

[Redeye fly]

I’m a Winker fan somewhat, love his approach and contact. But his struggles come from things that cannot be improved on. His athleticism and speed. About as close to a non athlete as you will find in a position player. As a matter of fact he will only get slower unfortunately.

Well there was Sean Casey. Of course he played first base.

[Ron Madden]

I don’t hate Jesse Winker. He’s just not a very good baseball player, and scoffing at the mere mention that he should maybe go to the bench is ignorant homer fanboy stuff.

I wasn’t just scoffing at the mention of Winker getting benched.
I was talking about all the silly negative comments that are made whenever the Reds lose a game.

And your comment doesn’t upset me at all.

I’d have to value your opinion to get my feelings hurt

[Burger Beer]

David Bell is going to be suspended.

He just said that it is obvious the Pirates intentionally throw at players, that they have done it before and been allowed to do it, and that the umpires and the league are not interested in protecting our players, so we will have to take things into our own hands.

He's right.

Josh Bell should be in the crosshairs...

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/pirates-vs-reds/2019/05/29/565246#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=565246

[Redeye fly]

He's right.

Josh Bell should be in the crosshairs...

Not that I'm a fan of bean ball wars or the thought of them. But it is nice to see the fire and looking after his players. The fire of Bryan Price I guess consisted of dropping a bunch of f bombs one time in front of mics.

[Burger Beer]

Not that I'm a fan of bean ball wars or the thought of them. But it is nice to see the fire and looking after his players. The fire of Bryan Price I guess consisted of dropping a bunch of f bombs one time in front of mics.

I like David Bell. He might be authentic.

[fielder's choice]

I wasn’t just scoffing at the mention of Winker getting benched.
I was talking about all the silly negative comments that are made whenever the Reds lose a game.

And your comment doesn’t upset me at all.

I’d have to value your opinion to get my feelings hurt

I don't think he should get benched but Scooter will be back soon and DD can't be the odd man out...

[Big Klu]

He's right.

Josh Bell should be in the crosshairs...

Yeah, but Rob Manfred will take action against David Bell because a manager actually spoke out publicly against the umpires and the league.

[Burger Beer]

Yeah, but Rob Manfred will take action against David Bell because a manager actually spoke out publicly against the umpires and the league.

Rookie mistake.

[NebraskaRed]

what do you think my reaction to the Reds losing today's game should be?

Should I rant and say this team is garbage and they'll finish in last place? should I vow not to watch another game? Should I say this player or that player should be released?

This was a genuine question, btw. I really want to know what reaction I was supposed to have.

[Norm Chortleton]

This is problem with the Pirates and Reds rivalry. Dietrich hits 3 bombs yesterday. Stares at one of them. Media talks about how the Pirates might retaliate. From that point on the next time the Pirates hit a guy, it is going to be taken as retaliation. It is a constant cycle. Clay Holmes is a terrible pitcher with a career 7.1 walks per nine innings. He threw inside and hit Suarez after he had already faced 3 batters with a 7-0 run lead. Why Suarez? Why wouldn't they wait for Dietrich if they wanted to retaliate? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST THROWN AT SOMEBODY YESTERDAY? It doesn't matter because no matter when the next time a Pirates pitcher hit a Red was going to be, it was going to be taken as retaliation.Danny Graves said he thought it was intentional. Good enough for me. And Marty quoted Larry Bowa saying the way to put an end to the vicious cycle is by hitting the other team's best player rather than the obvious offender.

[Tracy Jones]

I wasn’t just scoffing at the mention of Winker getting benched.
I was talking about all the silly negative comments that are made whenever the Reds lose a game.

And your comment doesn’t upset me at all.

I’d have to value your opinion to get my feelings hurt

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[RedTeamGo!]

Obviously intentional. They hit Suarez in almost the exact same place and same situation last year.

Hurdle and the Pirates are awful.

[Burger Beer]

Danny Graves said he thought it was intentional. Good enough for me. And Marty quoted Larry Bowa saying the way to put an end to the vicious cycle is by hitting the other team's next player rather than the obvious offender.

That's the thing; Dietrich will probably not get hit. And the next player didn't get hit. They're gunning for the best player. Josh Bell must be in play for the Reds to end this silliness.

[RedTeamGo!]

That's the thing; Dietrich will probably not get hit. And the next player didn't get hit. They're gunning for the best player. Josh Bell must be in play for the Reds to end this silliness.

I think that was a typo and Norm meant “best”

[Tracy Jones]

Well yeah he can be a candidate for the bench. But you need someone better than him for that to happen too. It won't be Peraza. It COULD be Dietrich if he continues hitting like this seeing as how he likely won't be much if any better defensively in LF.

It could be just about anyone at the moment, considering Winker is currently a replacement level player for his career.

[Burger Beer]

I think that was a typo and Norm meant “best”

Then I agree with Norm, Danny Graves, Marty, and Larry Bowa. Throw a heater at Josh Bell's head.

[RedTeamGo!]

Then I agree with Norm, Danny Graves, Marty, and Larry Bowa. Throw a heater at Josh Bell's head.

And Josh Bell did what exactly to deserve possibly being killed?

[Fil3232]

I’ve thought for a few weeks this Reds team could use a good old team melee. They need a spark to bust out. Maybe this will be a catalyst.

[Burger Beer]

And Josh Bell did what exactly to deserve possibly being killed?

Nothing.

What did Suarez deserve?

[RedTeamGo!]

Nothing.

What did Suarez deserve?

Nothing. Why are we emulating the scumbag pirates?

[TheTimeIsNow]

The Pirates retaliate (which I dont agree with either) and you guys say the Pirates are scum, awful, pure trash, garbage, etc....But then you want the Reds to retaliate, even saying that Bell should be hit in the head. What’s the difference? I truly just do not understand. Why is it okay for one team to retaliate but not for the other? Doesn’t that just make you as bad as the Pirates?

[WestTNRed]

Nothing. Why are we emulating the scumbag pirates?


It goes back to what Bell said, if the league and umps won't do anything than the team has to take matters into their own hands. The next time we play the Pirates Bell needs to wear a 95 MPH fastball in the ribs.

[TheTimeIsNow]

It goes back to what Bell said, if the league and umps won't do anything than the team has to take matters into their own hands. The next time we play the Pirates Bell needs to wear a 95 MPH fastball in the ribs.

Doesn’t that just lead to the Pirates retaliating. And then that leads to the Reds retaliating? Where does it end?

[RedTeamGo!]

The Pirates retaliate (which I dont agree with either) and you guys say the Pirates are scum, awful, pure trash, garbage, etc....But then you want the Reds to retaliate, even saying that Bell should be hit in the head. What’s the difference? I truly just do not understand. Why is it okay for one team to retaliate but not for the other? Doesn’t that just make you as bad as the Pirates?

I didn’t know one poster represents all of Reds fandom. TIL.

What exactly were the pirates retaliating from? A player staring at a home run? What a bunch of babies.

With that said, if this were a what came first, the chicken or the egg question, the answer would be Clint Hurdle.

He’s been doing this trash for his entire career. He’s a garbage person. He injured Suarez last year in almost the exact same circumstances.

And with that said, how about you take your trolling to pirateszone and discuss how the pirates are actually the good guys and all these HBPs over Hurdles....::checks card:: decades as a manager is all coincidental and totally not intentional?

[Fil3232]

The Pirates retaliate (which I dont agree with either) and you guys say the Pirates are scum, awful, pure trash, garbage, etc....But then you want the Reds to retaliate, even saying that Bell should be hit in the head. What’s the difference? I truly just do not understand. Why is it okay for one team to retaliate but not for the other? Doesn’t that just make you as bad as the Pirates?

It’s a classic prisoners dilemma situation. Game theory suggests both teams will end up being bad actors because they can’t trust the other not to. With today, from the Reds perspective, that is reinforced. So we’ll end up in quadrant 4. The Pirates kind of blew it here with the HBP today. Could’ve let things be and ended in quadrant 1, which is optimal for both.

[Burger Beer]

You may choose to take the high road.

But you will be victimized for your perceived weakness.

[RedTeamGo!]

Doesn’t that just lead to the Pirates retaliating. And then that leads to the Reds retaliating? Where does it end?

It’s funny because hurdle will continue doing this trash forever even if no one hits his players. But somehow he gets a pass by pirates fans.

[TheTimeIsNow]

I didn’t know one poster represents all of Reds fandom. TIL.

With that said, if this were a what came first, the chicken or the egg question, the answer would be Clint Hurdle.

He’s been doing this trash for his entire career. He’s a garbage person. He injured Suarez last year in almost the exact same circumstances.

And with that said, how about you take your trolling to pirateszone and discuss how the pirates are actually the good guys and all these HBPs over Hurdles....::checks card:: decades as a manager is all coincidental and totally not intentional?

i’m not trolling and have NOT ONCE said that the Pirates were the good guys in this situation. In fact, I’m trying to play peacemaker here (and obviously I’m failing). I just don’t understand one thing.

This whole series after EVERY SINGLE TIME a Pirates player was hit, you guys immediately say “oh boy. I bet Hurdle will hit somebody now.” But the second a Reds player gets hit, you call for a Pirates player to be hit. Maybe you guys are just Clint Hurdle in disguise??

[NebraskaRed]

Jon Moscot
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@JonnyMoscot

You don’t “just miss” up and in and drill a guy with a down and away fastball in the Major Leagues. Figure it out

Former Red Jon Moscot weighs in.

[RedTeamGo!]

i’m not trolling and have NOT ONCE said that the Pirates were the good guys in this situation. In fact, I’m trying to play peacemaker here (and obviously I’m failing). I just don’t understand one thing.

This whole series after EVERY SINGLE TIME a Pirates player was hit, you guys immediately say “oh boy. I bet Hurdle will hit somebody now.” But the second a Reds player gets hit, you call for a Pirates player to be hit. Maybe you guys are just Clint Hurdle in disguise??

Please point to the specific post where I said the reds should hit a player.

I’ll wait.

[TheTimeIsNow]

Please point to the specific post where I said the reds should hit a player.

I’ll wait.

You’re right. I apologize for singling you out. I was talking about the mass of others that called for it. I was thinking of you guys as a whole instead of having a conversation with just you. That was my mistake.

[Tony Cloninger]

This was a genuine question, btw. I really want to know what reaction I was supposed to have.

I’m as mad as hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!!

[RiverRat13]

It’s funny because hurdle will continue doing this trash forever even if no one hits his players. But somehow he gets a pass by pirates fans.

This kind of thinking seems strangely familiar to what Bengals fans say in the fall. But then we’re called homers and babies by the non-Bengals fans on here.

[Burger Beer]

You’re right. I apologize for singling you out. I was talking about the mass of others that called for it. I was thinking of you guys as a whole instead of having a conversation with just you. That was my mistake.

Maybe it was me.

Josh Bell needs to be drilled.

Screw Pittsburgh.

[Tracy Jones]

This kind of thinking seems strangely familiar to what Bengals fans say in the fall. But then we’re called homers and babies by the non-Bengals fans on here.

Not throwing trash at injured players being carted off the field might help

[Norm Chortleton]

I think that was a typo and Norm meant “best”It was and is now fixed

[Rantly]

Derek Dietrich and Eugenio Suarez both had at bats in the 7th inning last night when the score was 8-0. If the Pirates wanted to retaliate, they would have done it then.

It goes both ways. If the Reds hit Josh Bell the next time these 2 teams play, people are gonna say it was retaliation. I don't buy it. If the Reds wanted to retaliate, they would have just done it. It's a vicious cycle.
They waited until getaway day to retaliate obviously. I’ve enjoyed your contributions the last year or two but sounds like you have changed in tone all of the sudden.

[RedTeamGo!]

They waited until getaway day to retaliate obviously. I’ve enjoyed your contributions the last year or two but sounds like you have changed in tone all of the sudden.

Not only that, but they waited until the getaway game was out of reach. Anyone that doesn’t think that was intentional is either delusional or stupid.

[North]

Pittsburgh is pure trash.

The irony drips...

"The Art Rooney Award is given annually by the National Football League (NFL) in recognition of outstanding sportsmanship on the playing field. Established in 2015, the award is named in honor of Art Rooney, the founding owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Rooney_Award

[TheTimeIsNow]

Not only that, but they waited until the getaway game was out of reach. Anyone that doesn’t think that was intentional is either delusional or stupid.

I’m not gonna lie, I didn’t even think about the getaway game aspect of it. Somebody on here mentioned that Clay Holmes looked like he was ordered to do it. He did have a “hey man, I’m sorry. I didn’t want to do it.” look on his face. Especially since he sucks. Can’t imagine he wanted to put a baserunner on since he is pitching for his job. Its sad to think that Hurdle put him in that situation. I kind of feel bad for Holmes. I dislike Hurdle almost as much as you guys. His tough guy act has always bothered me.

[NebraskaRed]

I’m not gonna lie, I didn’t even think about the getaway game aspect of it. Somebody on here mentioned that Clay Holmes looked like he was ordered to do it. He did have a “hey man, I’m sorry. I didn’t want to do it.” look on his face. Especially since he sucks. Can’t imagine he wanted to put a baserunner on since he is pitching for his job. Its sad to think that Hurdle put him in that situation. I kind of feel bad for Holmes. I dislike Hurdle almost as much as you guys. His tough guy act has always bothered me.

for the record, I appreciate your insight as a Pirates fan. From what I've seen, you've always been friendly and good-natured.

[Alabama]

Well if this team is allergic to 500 I at least want to see an all out brawl or two. Get some value out of Puig at least.

[Fil3232]

I think I’m most upset about Holmes (and Diaz the catcher) denying they threw intentionally to Suarez’s face. If you’re going to do it, own it. Weak.

[Kingspoint]

The irony drips...

"The Art Rooney Award is given annually by the National Football League (NFL) in recognition of outstanding sportsmanship on the playing field. Established in 2015, the award is named in honor of Art Rooney, the founding owner of the Pittsburgh Steelers and a member of the Pro Football Hall of Fame."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Rooney_Award

Now, there's an oxymoron if ever there was...sportsmanship award named after a Steeler.

[RiverfrontRed]

Now, there's an oxymoron if ever there was...sportsmanship award named after a Steeler.

Yeah the Bengals are all class.

[mth123]

This is problem with the Pirates and Reds rivalry. Dietrich hits 3 bombs yesterday. Stares at one of them. Media talks about how the Pirates might retaliate. From that point on the next time the Pirates hit a guy, it is going to be taken as retaliation. It is a constant cycle. Clay Holmes is a terrible pitcher with a career 7.1 walks per nine innings. He threw inside and hit Suarez after he had already faced 3 batters with a 7-0 run lead. Why Suarez? Why wouldn't they wait for Dietrich if they wanted to retaliate? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE JUST THROWN AT SOMEBODY YESTERDAY? It doesn't matter because no matter when the next time a Pirates pitcher hit a Red was going to be, it was going to be taken as retaliation.

I didn't see the game, so I don't know much, but given the situation and timing, I kind of agree that it seems unlikely to be intentional. The problem is that the Pirates led the world in hit batters for several years since Hurdle arrived. The Reds have lost multiple players to Pirate's pitches over the years. Brandon Phillips was sidelined or played through injury a couple of times due to Pirate pitches and Suarez was sidelined last year just off the top of my head. Dietrich was hit after a HR earlier this year. I just don't think the Pirates will get the benefit of the doubt as long as Hurdle is around. He's made his bed with his past shenanigans and now he needs to lie in it.