Nats @ Reds 6-2-19

[Ron Madden]

Reds
Senzel CF
Votto 1B
Dietrich 2B
Winker LF
Puig RF
Van Meter 3B
Iglesias SS
Barnhart C
Gray P

Nationals
Turner SS
Parra RF
Rendon 3B
Soto LF
Adams 1B
Suzuki C
Dozier 2B
Robles CF
Scherzer P

[UKWhoDey]

Lets take the series today!

[DocRed]

How many GIDP from Winker today?

Not the day I would have rested our best player....Scherzer is kinda good

[cumberlandreds]

No Suarez today. Going to be a tough one against Scherzer. He's one of the best.

[Ron Madden]

Geno is hitting .077 with 1 HR and 2 RBI in 13 AB’s vs Scherzer.

I guess if you’re gonna give Geno a rest before heading into St. Louis, today is just as good a day as any.

[GADawg]

Geno is hitting .077 with 1 HR and 2 RBI in 13 AB’s vs Scherzer.

I guess if you’re gonna give Geno a rest before heading into St. Louis, today is just as good a day as any.

Agree though I guess it’s a “mental” test since they’ve already had a couple of days off this week....having said that I look for VanMeter to do something special today

[westofyou]

Max eats RH hitters for lunch, day off tomorrow gives him two days in a row

[bigfoot52]

How many GIDP from Winker today?

Not the day I would have rested our best player....Scherzer is kinda good
I had hoped for better from Winker. Seems like another guy that got hot in April and then it's over. I guess the NL has figured him out and he hasn't been able to adjust. Had one HR in early May. Bunches of easy ground balls to the left side. Some of them DP's. See yesterday. Bell is giving him more than enough chances to resume his April form. The bad thing is he is poor defensively and slow.

As for Puig, I know he usually warms up when the weather gets hot, but how long does Bell watch him fail in RBI situations with a K.
These two guys should be on a short leash. Dietrich and Irvin can play the OF. Farmer too.

[ochoa30]

I dont like sitting Suarez no matter who the pitcher is. Especially with an off day tomorrow. Maybe his hand is sore but otherwise he should be in there. Hopefully the lefty stacking works out though.

[Ron Madden]

I’d love to see Joey take Max outta the park today

[reds77]

These 1919 uniforms look awesome!

[50YrRedsFan]

Gray pitching defensively....needs to attack the hitters. Tentative.

[powersackers]

Could have run the Kentucky derby three times in that at bat.

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[Ron Madden]

I wish Tucker would stop jumping around behind the plate

[ochoa30]

If Sonny's goal is too put Scherzer to sleep I'd say he has a shot

[50YrRedsFan]

This one not starting well. If Gray can't control his breaking pitches, this could get ugly.

[JFLegal]

man that was dumb by winker. no chance to get the runner there.

[TheBigLebowski]

Winker is a terrible defensive player. Wow.

[Big Klu]

These 1919 uniforms look awesome!

My favorite throwbacks so far, and by a wide margin.

[mth123]

Nice pitch to K Soto.

[ochoa30]

Sonny really needs to be more aggressive early in counts. 5 innings may be a stretch in this one.

[mth123]

Damage wasn't too bad, but a ton of pitches. Wonder who the long reliever is today. Lorenzen??

[powersackers]

20 min half innings are why no one besides us hardcore guys n gals can watch baseball on TV.

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[BCubb2003]

He didn’t strike out the side, he struck out the outs.

[Ron Madden]

My favorite throwbacks so far, and by a wide margin.

I like’em too but the Sox are supposed to have white at the bottom like the originals

[ochoa30]

This may be a tough one to watch overall

[JFLegal]

lol thom. "did he get enough?!"

caught in front of the warning track.

[ochoa30]

Max with a dominant first inning

[reds77]

My favorite throwbacks so far, and by a wide margin.

I'm internally debating if I like them better than the current uniforms.

[powersackers]

Jay Bruce to the Phillies finalized. He's packing and saying goodbyes per Twitter.

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[TheBigLebowski]

Yeah, looking good so far.

[JFLegal]

This may be a tough one to watch overall

yes, it does feel like this is going to be a long day. tough pitching matchup. and the reds have to know they blew the game yesterday with all the stranded runners.

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Jay Bruce to the Phillies finalized. He's packing and saying goodbyes per Twitter.

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he will always be a mariners legend.

[fielder's choice]

I'm internally debating if I like them better than the current uniforms.

The current uniforms are definitely played out. Hopefully they'll get an update next year.

[BCubb2003]

yes, it does feel like this is going to be a long day. tough pitching matchup. and the reds have to know they blew the game yesterday with all the stranded runners.

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he will always be a mariners legend.

Such an affable guy. No one is more able to aff than he is.

[ochoa30]

Much needed quick inning there

[JFLegal]

speaking of jay bruce, if he was mashing home runs in seattle, i bet he'll do quite well in the phillies' park.

[Big Klu]

Offensive leaders for the 1919 Reds:

CF Edd Roush: .321/.380/.431/.811, 4 HR, 71 RBI
3B Heinie Groh: .310/.392/.431/.823, 5 HR, 63 RBI

Pro Football Hall-of-Famer Earle "Greasy" Neale, head coach of the 1948 & 1949 NFL Champion Philadelphia Eagles, was the starting RF for the Reds that year.

How Eller, Dutch Ruether, and Slim Sallee led the Reds pitching staff in 1919, as Eller's 2.39 ERA was the highest among all Reds starters.

Backup OF Rube Bressler (who played 42 games in LF and 6 in RF) also pitched in 13 games, including 4 starts and 1 complete game. His 3.46 ERA in 41.2 IP was highest on the team, but he also had a miniscule 1.080 WHIP.

[WrongVerb]

Am I hearing lots of F-bombs today?

[JFLegal]

van meter was probably all excited when he saw his name in the lineup.

then he saw the opposing pitcher.

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Am I hearing lots of F-bombs today?

sorry, i'll tone it down.

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scherzer gives winker a footjob.

(wait, that didn't sound ... never mind)

[Big Klu]

I like’em too but the Sox are supposed to have white at the bottom like the originals

Looks like several of the players are wearing them properly. Dietrich, Winker, and Puig to name a few.

[GAC]

I guess if you're a pitcher, and you're going to hit a batter, hit him in the legs! That way you know they won't be stealing on you LOL

[reds77]

Scherzer looking like top-notch Scherzer today.

[bigfoot52]

Puig acts like he can't believe he didn't hit a home run after making an out.
Or can't believe he struck out..

[WVRedsGuy]

No hitter alert.

[Big Klu]

Jay Bruce to the Phillies finalized. He's packing and saying goodbyes per Twitter.

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Bruce will need a new number in Philly. #32 belongs to Steve Carlton.

[Tom Servo]

I like the uniforms. I tend to go back and forth on pinstripes...but I think I'm in favor of them.

[Ironman92]

Reds Pat Duncan was the catcher and a big player in the 1919 WS.....he was from the village of Coalton here in Jackson County....also from Coalton was Duane Rhodes, the woo guy

You are welcome...I guess

[Big Klu]

I like the uniforms. I tend to go back and forth on pinstripes...but I think I'm in favor of them.

I generally don't like pinstripes, but what I like about these is that they aren't red.

That being said, I still wouldn't want pinstripes on the regular uniform.

[reds77]

I like the uniforms. I tend to go back and forth on pinstripes...but I think I'm in favor of them.

I feel you on the pinstripe v no pinstripe take, but they seem to work on this uniform.

[ochoa30]

A couple nice innings back to back for Sonny

[Ron Madden]

Sonny could be something special if he were just a little more pitch efficient

[Rolando]

I can't really think of one thing bonhart does positively ugh

[Big Klu]

Reds Pat Duncan was the catcher and a big player in the 1919 WS.....he was from the village of Coalton here in Jackson County....also from Coalton was Duane Rhodes, the woo guy

You are welcome...I guess

Pat Duncan was one of three or four players who rotated in LF. (Ivey Wingo was the catcher.)

Duncan came up big in the World Series, though.

[Tom Servo]

George Grande pulling rank on Jim Day

[Ironman92]

Reds gonna win this game....just sayin

[bigfoot52]

Reds are being abused by Scherzer.

[RedsfaninMT]

Reds gonna win this game....just sayin

Just saying...they gotta get a hit first.

[redsrule2500]

2019 offense making a comeback...

[50YrRedsFan]

The Reds hitters don't have a clue with Scherzer.

[BCubb2003]

Scherzer literally* strikes out the side.

*Literally as in literally, not literally as in figuratively.

[Ron Madden]

They’ve played 3 innings.
Sure they might lose but we don’t know that they will.
I’m gonna try to enjoy the game and root for’em to pull out a win

[ochoa30]

Even though the Nats have started poorly, they have 2 hitters that are better then anyone on the Reds and it's not close. Not to mention their starting pitching. If they get any kind of bullpen performance they could easily get back in the race IMO.

[Big Klu]

It would be nice if the Reds batting helmets matched their caps today.

[Ironman92]

Just saying...they gotta get a hit first.

Not necessarily

[Big Klu]

Not necessarily

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU196404230.shtml

[ochoa30]

Very unfortunate pitch there

[Ironman92]

Pat Duncan was one of three or four players who rotated in LF. (Ivey Wingo was the catcher.)

Duncan came up big in the World Series, though.

Had 2 hits and 3 rbi in Game 8 of the World Series

[Tom Servo]

2-0 Nats, 1 might have been enough for Scherzer

[RedsfaninMT]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/HOU/HOU196404230.shtml

The problem here, is the have to score a run...now three to win. I doub't any team has won scoring three run without a hit. I'll stick with my original comment, they gotta get a hit to win this game.

[Big Klu]

THom wants to know if there are stats for pitchers based on first pitch quality strikes.

THommy boy, that sounds dangerously close to analytics.

[WrongVerb]

George Grande pulling rank on Jim Day

I've been listening to the WAS broadcast. No drama.

[JaxRed]

Gotta work on Johnson's sprint time to the mound.

[reds77]

Sonny already at 75 pitches thrown.

[Ron Madden]

Nice Play Joey!

[Rolando]

that was a really sloppy getting a pinching by Gray

[GAC]

Votto's Done! LOL

[WrongVerb]

The problem here, is the have to score a run...now three to win. I doub't any team has won scoring three run without a hit. I'll stick with my original comment, they gotta get a hit to win this game.

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199007010.shtml

[ochoa30]

Reds are still in this one even though it doesnt feel like it at all. Hopefully they can get a hit here pretty soon.

[Big Klu]

Nice Play Joey!

Joey looks like he would have fit in perfectly on the 1919 team.

[RedsfaninMT]

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHA/CHA199007010.shtml

Leave it to Redszone!

[Ironman92]

Lol Welsh [emoji23][emoji23][emoji23]

[Ironman92]

The problem here, is the have to score a run...now three to win. I doub't any team has won scoring three run without a hit. I'll stick with my original comment, they gotta get a hit to win this game.

And I’ll stick with mine...gonna win this game

[Big Klu]

that was a really sloppy getting a pinching by Gray

You do, and I am going to give you such a pinch!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/85/ef/b185ef43e93e01ee6f82705356df1b72.jpg

[WrongVerb]

Leave it to Redszone!

:D Your point is very reasonable, though. In fact, the rarity of that game kinda backs you up. Still, I think I was watching that game and have remembered it ever since.

[Ron Madden]

HaHa!!! A double for Joey!!!

[BluegrassRedleg]

LOL


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[Tom Servo]

There’s the “bloop” how about a blast

[Ironman92]

You do, and I am going to give you such a pinch!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/85/ef/b185ef43e93e01ee6f82705356df1b72.jpg

I just learned Yosemite Sam was banned from tv for being too violent

[JaxRed]

Joey blasts a double !!

[BluegrassRedleg]

Dietrich has had enough of this shutout talk.


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[Tom Servo]

Diet rich RBI double!

[Ron Madden]

Dietrich Double!!!

Right back in this game

[BluegrassRedleg]

THIRTY! SEVEN!!1!!


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[RedsfaninMT]

Thom talking about RBI. Drink!

[Ironman92]

Votto was Ozzie with the glove and then rips a double to start the onslaught

[Big Klu]

I just learned Yosemite Sam was banned from tv for being too violent

If that is true, then it is a sad, sad day for American society.

[WrongVerb]

I just learned Yosemite Sam was banned from tv for being too violent

Not true.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/mar/21/facebook-posts/no-yosemite-sam-was-not-banned-television-being-to/

[Ron Madden]

Jesse hit that hard

[Tom Servo]

man what happened to Puig’s plate discipline

[Ironman92]

Not true.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/mar/21/facebook-posts/no-yosemite-sam-was-not-banned-television-being-to/

I’m just hear today to test if people are reading [emoji3]

[Kc61]

man what happened to Puig’s plate discipline

Puig’s just over anxious this season.

He’ll come out of it next year with a different team.

Probably be an all star - for somebody else.

[Ironman92]

Not true.

https://www.politifact.com/facebook-fact-checks/statements/2019/mar/21/facebook-posts/no-yosemite-sam-was-not-banned-television-being-to/

I hate that Facebook (Yosemite Sam voice)

[JaxRed]

Van Meter reminds me of Maris at the plate

[Ron Madden]

Good EYE

[GAC]

You do, and I am going to give you such a pinch!

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b1/85/ef/b185ef43e93e01ee6f82705356df1b72.jpg

I'm glad I'm not the only one raised on Warner Brother cartoons LOL

[Ironman92]

Puig’s just over anxious this season.

He’ll come out of it next year with a different team.

Probably be an all star - for somebody else.

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/54fc9c4780ad41e7d51eac11f3be5b55.jpg

[ochoa30]

Puig kills another rally. Hopefully when he starts hitting the Reds will still have a shot.

[Kc61]

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/54fc9c4780ad41e7d51eac11f3be5b55.jpg

Against RHP Puig began the day at .620. He’s hitless today.

[Ironman92]

I'm glad I'm not the only one raised on Warner Brother cartoons LOL

Reds are gonna win this game doo da doo da, Reds are gonna win this game all doo da day

(Foghorn Leghorn voice)

[GAC]

Where those numbers with Puig vs RHers?

[Rolando]

Boy Winker and Puig killed them somebody has to get a big hit there.

[Ironman92]

It’s a 9 inning game. Sometimes great pitchers are great pitchers and players go 0-2

[Ron Madden]

Boy Winker and Puig killed them somebody has to get a big hit there.

Winker hit the ball hard and Iglesias k’d on 3 pitches

[GAC]

I still do a perfect Pete Puma on the golf course that cracks everybody up!

[Tony Cloninger]

I'm glad I'm not the only one raised on Warner Brother cartoons LOL


Who can forget Bugs Bunny and his rabbit ball. Or the conga line of hitters taking their might cuts.
And Theeeeeee Crusher! That should have been Dunn ‘s nickname.

[Ron Madden]

Clean inning for Sonny

[ochoa30]

Not a bad start so far for Gray though he may be finished with his spot due up second. That pitch to Suzuki really his only mistake.

[Tony Cloninger]

Jay Bruce to the Phillies finalized. He's packing and saying goodbyes per Twitter.

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He sure wore out his welcome quickly in Seattle.

[GAC]

Winker hit the ball hard and Iglesias k’d on 3 pitches

I think he got squeezed too

[50YrRedsFan]

No Tucker, the ball is supposed to go into the field, not the bat.

[Ironman92]

“Straight up into the air”

Ball is hit 290 feet and lands in LF line bleachers

Glad I’m not blind and counting on him to describe what’s happening

[WVRedsFan]

Interesting watching Tucker. He keeps taking strikes and swings at horrible pitches. Just totally confused.

[Ironman92]

I still do a perfect Pete Puma on the golf course that cracks everybody up!

Speaking of golf....that’s a classic bugs bunny one with the Irish guy

[Ron Madden]

Nice Play Jesse

[ochoa30]

Cant believe that ball got to the wall. Nice catch by Jesse.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Four-inch vertical. Needed every bit of it. [emoji3]


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[WVRedsFan]

Winker played that perfectly

[Ironman92]

Gonna be exciting here in about 100 minutes when Puig and Suarez win this game

[Big Klu]

I still do a perfect Pete Puma on the golf course that cracks everybody up!

Bugs: "How many lumps do ya want?"

Pete: "Oh, three or four."

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/9a/c4/9a9ac4429b46e0d14b6b2107113ac2e2.jpg


Pete Puma is one of the truly underrated Looney Tunes characters.

[Ironman92]

I want Votto to foul those off or drive them oppo

[Ironman92]

Bugs: "How many lumps do ya want?"

Pete: "Oh, three or four."

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/9a/9a/c4/9a9ac4429b46e0d14b6b2107113ac2e2.jpg


Pete Puma is one of the truly underrated Looney Tunes characters.

I like finster and gossamer

[Ironman92]

Definitely need this dude in our analytics dept

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190602/edd789bde1dbd36c09ac9a96e6278f44.jpg

[ochoa30]

This Scherzer kid looks promising

[Big Klu]

I like finster and gossamer

Rocky and Mugsy are good too.

I also like Miss Prissy, Egghead Jr., and Witch Hazel.

[gagliano]

These 1919 uniforms look awesome!

another series, another throwback uni. not a fan. i've forgotten what their official unis look like. mlb had a good idea then ran it into the ground. there's nothing novel about the throwbacks anymore.

[Big Klu]

THom sounds disgusted that Bell is taking out a right-handed pitcher for another right-handed pitcher.

A needless delay, in his mind.

[Ron Madden]

another series, another throwback uni. not a fan. i've forgotten what their official unis look like. mlb had a good idea then ran it into the ground. there's nothing novel about the throwbacks anymore.

No offense but from what I can tell you’re not much of a fan of anything

[Ron Madden]

Nice snag by Van Meter

[gagliano]

forgive me for posting, sir

[Ron Madden]

forgive me for posting, sir

OK I’ll think about it

Nah just kiddin post what you want

[NatiRedGals]

I hope thrall and this quinn dude isn't our radio next year they are baaad

[Kc61]

Interesting to double switch by moving the pitcher, Lorenzen, to left field. Any thoughts of Lorenzen coming back to pitch? Doubt it.

Seems like a typical double switch except no need to use a position player off the short bench. Lorenzen can handle LF. Gives Bell more bench flexibility going forward in the game.

[Ron Madden]

I hope thrall and this quinn dude isn't our radio next year they are baaad

LOL, that’s Doug Flynn he is bad

[RedTeamGo!]

I hope thrall and this quinn dude isn't our radio next year they are baaad

What is a radio?

[NatiRedGals]

LOL, that’s Doug Flynn he is bad

Haha whoops lol ya its not pretty on the radio lol

[Ironman92]

I like Hernandez but don’t greatly trust him as of now

[Kc61]

I like Hernandez but don’t greatly trust him as of now

He’s hot and cold.

[50YrRedsFan]

Is this where the Reds regret not having another lefthander in the bullpen?

[Kc61]

Is this where the Reds regret not having another lefthander in the bullpen?

They have Duke and Peralta.

[Ron Madden]

Nice Pitch

[50YrRedsFan]

They have Duke and Peralta.

Sorry, I meant to say a 'good' lefthander.

[Kc61]

Iglesias in with two out.

Suarez in with double switch, will bat in bottom of inning.

[Ron Madden]

C’mon Iggy

[Ironman92]

Iglesias looks rusty with lack of work...hopefully babip will be in our favor or he quickly finds it

[Big Klu]

THom tells us that Michael Lorenzen is the first Red to pitch 10+ innings and play 10+ innings in the field since 1944, but he doesn't tell us who that was. I hate it when announcers do that.

So I looked it up. Buck Fausett was a 3B/P who played for the Reds in 1944 (his only season in the majors). He started six games at 3B and made two relief appearances on the mound, pitching 10.2 innings.

[Ron Madden]

Well Dang!

[Ironman92]

That 0-2 pitch was horse **** by Iglesias

[JCM11]

An 0-2 fastball right down the middle. unbelievable

[BluegrassRedleg]

There’s no reason to shift on a guy who sucks.


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[TheBigLebowski]

Thanks for bringing the gas can with you, Rais!

[Norm Chortleton]

(golf clap)

[Ironman92]

There’s no reason to shift on a guy who sucks.


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There’s less reason to throw and 0-2 fastball down the middle

[Ironman92]

Still not over

[Tom Servo]

Bad pitch, actually got lucky it was only a groundball but still was enough.

[WVRedsGuy]

Good game see you guys tomorrow.

[Kc61]

Ball wasn’t exactly clobbered. Some degree of bad luck there against Reds.

Maybe Reds can rally back in.

[Ironman92]

Barnhart only has 4 doubles?

[Ron Madden]

Barnhart Double!

[Ironman92]

Peraza with his impression of bad Heisey

[BluegrassRedleg]

Worst part about Iglesias right now is that this trade deadline is being billed as the most competitive for relief pitching in a long time. They have to get him right before the end of July to finally flip him for some talent.


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[Big Klu]

Worst part about Iglesias right now is that this trade deadline is being billed as the most competitive for relief pitching in a long time. They have to get him right before the end of July to finally flip him for some talent.


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Two years too late.

[Kc61]

Worst part about Iglesias right now is that this trade deadline is being billed as the most competitive for relief pitching in a long time. They have to get him right before the end of July to finally flip him for some talent.


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Iglesias had a terrible start but he’s been pretty good lately.

Reds want to finish with a good record, they’re not trading Iggy at the deadline.

If he leaves, what’s the late inning group? Garrett, Hernandez, and Hughes?

[BluegrassRedleg]

There’s less reason to throw and 0-2 fastball down the middle

That, too. But especially don’t put your second baseman directly behind the bag if you’re gonna pitch middle of the plate to outside half.


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[Redsfan6272]

I guess Bell only trusts Lorenzen for defense instead of letting him hit

[BluegrassRedleg]

Two years too late.

Indeed. But so many are in need this year that he’ll draw a good offer if they can get him right.


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[Ironman92]

That, too. But especially don’t put your second baseman directly behind the bag if you’re gonna pitch middle of the plate to outside half.


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I’ve barked that for a while too

[Ironman92]

The Reds are my team...but I love Max Scherzer

[Ron Madden]

Senzel struck out there but he hung tough n that AB

[ochoa30]

Really not a very good pitch Senzel just missed but it happens

[Tom Servo]

"don't take the ball, don't f'ing do it"

Hate seeing him against the Reds, but Scherzer rules

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Really not a very good pitch Senzel just missed but it happens
A bit surprised by Senzel's K rate so far, hadn't really been an issue for him at all in the minors. Figure he'll adjust but still wasn't something I expected.

[JCM11]

I think I could pitch well with that strike zone.

[Tom Servo]

Eric Gregg zone

[Ron Madden]

Good God These Umps Suck Now Days!

[Kc61]

Indeed. But so many are in need this year that he’ll draw a good offer if they can get him right.


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With all his issues this year, I’d like to hear the analysis of how this bullpen functions without Iglesias.

Unless the idea is to tank the rest of the season.

[ochoa30]

"don't take the ball, don't f'ing do it"

Hate seeing him against the Reds, but Scherzer rules

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A bit surprised by Senzel's K rate so far, hadn't really been an issue for him at all in the minors. Figure he'll adjust but still wasn't something I expected.

Yeah, same. He seems to have issues with the high fastball and the slider. Just needs to make an adjustment. Not too worried.

[Norm Chortleton]

I think I could pitch well with that strike zone.Fox Box had both of them as strikes

EDIT: it had first one a strike, second maybe a half inch out.

[Big Klu]

Votto takes three pitches and strikes out looking. Only the first one was in the zone. Second one was high and inside, third one was low and away. Scherzer gets the call on both of them.

[ochoa30]

First pitch of the Senzel AB and last 2 pitches to Votto. That just cant happen. Guys good enough without the help.

[mbgrayson]

I think I could pitch well with that strike zone.

I see a lot more generous strike zone calls for Scherzer today than for the Reds pitchers. Votto just struck out looking on three straight pitches. Gameday, with it's cameras tracking the pitches, shows two out of the three were outside the strike zone.

It is time for automated ball and strike calls....

[Ironman92]

We can gripe that the pitch was 1/2 inch outside but to throw that pitch that late in the game with max effort....careful not to miss a 1st ballot HOF dare his manager to take him from the game to face another potential HOF

Not everything can be measured

I’m losing faith they’ll win now but the fun little things in baseball are enjoyable to me

[BluegrassRedleg]

Iglesias had a terrible start but he’s been pretty good lately.

Reds want to finish with a good record, they’re not trading Iggy at the deadline.

If he leaves, what’s the late inning group? Garrett, Hernandez, and Hughes?

I’m just a disciple of the church of last place teams don’t need closers. The market will be nuts this year as several contenders have shaky-to-horrible bullpens. You gotta move the non-essentials like Iglesias. He should have been gone each of the last two summers.


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[Big Klu]

With all his issues this year, I’d like to hear the analysis of how this bullpen functions without Iglesias.

Unless the idea is to tank the rest of the season.

When in doubt, fall back on what you do best.

[Ron Madden]

With all his issues this year, I’d like to hear the analysis of how this bullpen functions without Iglesias.

Unless the idea is to tank the rest of the season.

Iglesias can be replaced just like Cozart and just like Harvey who some argued we had to keep

[ochoa30]

I’m just a disciple of the church of last place teams don’t need closers. The market will be nuts this year as several contenders have shaky-to-horrible bullpens. You gotta move the non-essentials like Iglesias. He should have been gone each of the last two summers.


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Unfortunately Iggy has most likely pitched himself out of having enough trade value to make it make sense to pursue. Hopefully he regains his form and keep him or try again next year.

[Ironman92]

HP umps calling that themselves bothers me more than anything else they do

[BluegrassRedleg]

With all his issues this year, I’d like to hear the analysis of how this bullpen functions without Iglesias.

Unless the idea is to tank the rest of the season.

You don’t tank, but you come to terms with reality that you’ve been in the basement for two months, and if you’re splitting and losing series to the likes of the Pirates and Nationals, your odds of climbing the ladder are not very high. Both of those clubs have been a dumpster fire prior to playing the Reds.

You have a chance, once again, to get a return greater than what Iglesias is really worth because of the supply/demand scenario that is shaping up.

[ochoa30]

HP umps calling that themselves bothers me more than anything else they do

And it was borderline at best. This guy has been bad especially as the game got later.

[Kc61]

I’m just a disciple of the church of last place teams don’t need closers. The market will be nuts this year as several contenders have shaky-to-horrible bullpens. You gotta move the non-essentials like Iglesias. He should have been gone each of the last two summers.


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But the idea now is to stop being a last place team. And in 2019. That’s the goal, agree?

Two years ago, in tank mode, was something very different than today.

Again, I’d like to see the analysis of how the Reds improve at the big league level with this bullpen minus Iglesias.

[fielder's choice]

And it was borderline at best. This guy has been bad especially as the game got later.

He clearly swung

[ochoa30]

He clearly swung

Nah, I dont agree

[Redsfan6272]

This team needs another Scott Rolen type trade.

[Ron Madden]

Well it was a good game till the 8th inning.

I gotta give credit where credit is due and I tip my cap to Max Scherzer

[Tom Servo]

Back down to .500 at home. That's gotta get better.

This one was always going to be a challenge, yesterday was the one to win and they didn't get the big hit to do it. Small accomplishment even keeping this one close given how good Scherzer was. Sonny wasn't great but takes another tough L.

[ochoa30]

Well it was a good game till the 8th inning.

I gotta give credit where credit is due and I tip my cap to Max Scherzer

Yeah, it's not a game you're expecting to win really. Thats why they needed to win yesterday but such is this season so far.

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/nationals-vs-reds/2019/06/02/565249#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=565249

[BluegrassRedleg]

But the idea now is to stop being a last place team. And in 2019. That’s the goal, agree?

Two years ago, in tank mode, was something very different than today.

Again, I’d like to see the analysis of how the Reds improve at the big league level with this bullpen minus Iglesias.

I don’t think “stop being a last place team” is the goal. The idea is to get into contention. You do that by acquiring more talent.

Iglesias may be able to get you to 4th place this year, borderline 3rd. Is that worth anything tangible when you might be able to pull a good player for him? Another Luis Castillo perhaps or a Eugenio Suarez? The Reds got those guys for next to nothing. Iglesias, even when a bit disappointing, will command someone who may turn into a difference maker in this trade market.


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[Redsfan6272]

Two times 0-2 count hits to drive in runs hurt today. I really would like Barnhart to be more forecful to set up off the plate to put pressure on the hitter instead of calling for pitches over the plate. That last one with Iglesias he didnt tell Iglesias to bury that 0-2 off tge plate in the dirt but setup over the outside part of the plate.

[Tony Cloninger]

I think a lot of people here would complain if they got beat by Koufax or Gibson here.
One of the most dominant pitchers in baseball in an age of barely 6 inning starters. What else could you expect.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Yeah, it's not a game you're expecting to win really. Thats why they needed to win yesterday but such is this season so far.

Ten of the 12 teams to face the Nats with Scherzer on the hill won their game prior to today, including the Mets twice, the Marlins twice and the Pirates.


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[Norm Chortleton]

I think a lot of people here would complain if they got beat by Koufax or Gibson here.
One of the most dominant pitchers in baseball in an age of barely 6 inning starters. What else could you expect.Damn right. They're both in their mid 80s [emoji6]

[Alabama]

I don’t think “stop being a last place team” is the goal. The idea is to get into contention. You do that by acquiring more talent.

Iglesias may be able to get you to 4th place this year, borderline 3rd. Is that worth anything tangible when you might be able to pull a good player for him? Another Luis Castillo perhaps or a Eugenio Suarez? The Reds got those guys for next to nothing. Iglesias, even when a bit disappointing, will command someone who may turn into a difference maker in this trade market.


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100% right. This Reds team is not a contender and a small move or two isn’t changing that. Do what they should’ve done the last two years and get any kind of value you can for Iglesias and the rentals.
Don’t try to appease the fans who just want to finish with a decent record. That does nothing.

[ochoa30]

Ten of the 12 teams to face the Nats with Scherzer on the hill won their game prior to today, including the Mets twice, the Marlins twice and the Pirates.


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That's because of the Pen which the reds couldn't hit against for some reason

[Kc61]

I don’t think “stop being a last place team” is the goal. The idea is to get into contention. You do that by acquiring more talent.

Iglesias may be able to get you to 4th place this year, borderline 3rd. Is that worth anything tangible when you might be able to pull a good player for him? Another Luis Castillo perhaps or a Eugenio Suarez? The Reds got those guys for next to nothing. Iglesias, even when a bit disappointing, will command someone who may turn into a difference maker in this trade market.


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I believe Reds and many fans care more about 2019 than that. Even if it’s not a playoff team, this whole season is about winning as much as possible. It is not the time to have a weakened bullpen by trading the closer undoubtedly for prospects.

[mth123]

Today was about a Hall of Fame pitcher shutting down the reds offense. But if you look, you can see the underlying issue that will stop the Reds from putting up a long winning streak. They gave up four runs. The starter only gave up 2. Still they used 5 relievers to get through the game. The starter didn't give enough innings and when you go to the pen 5 times, you're pretty likely to find a pitcher who just doesn't have it that day. Today it was Hernandez and Iglesias. Until they get at least one more frontline starter who won't need 5 relievers even when he's pitching well and at least one more high end reliever so there are always good relievers available when they are ahead, I just don't see how they can string together 5 or 6 wins in a row.

[CrosleyVet]

I believe Reds and many fans care more about 2019 than that. Even if it’s not a playoff team, this whole season is about winning as much as possible. It is not the time to have a weakened bullpen by trading the closer undoubtedly for prospects.

Last place teams don't need closers, they need oufielders who can hit

[Big Klu]

Reds are now 1-9 on Sunday this season.

[Sea Ray]

Today was about a Hall of Fame pitcher shutting down the reds offense. But if you look, you can see the underlying issue that will stop the Reds from putting up a long winning streak. They gave up four runs. The starter only gave up 2. Still they used 5 relievers to get through the game. The starter didn't give enough innings and when you go to the pen 5 times, you're pretty likely to find a pitcher who just doesn't have it that day. Today it was Hernandez and Iglesias. Until they get at least one more frontline starter who won't need 5 relievers even when he's pitching well and at least one more high end reliever so there are always good relievers available when they are ahead, I just don't see how they can string together 5 or 6 wins in a row.

If you're saying that they need another starter because Sonny Gray can't give them innings then they got bigger problems than that. They invested a decent prospect, a high draft pick and about $40 million in this guy. If he needs to be replaced then we're in big trouble.

I think a more palatable issue here in the manager and how he's blowing through pitchers on a nightly basis. He needs to understand the ramifications of using 5 relievers on one day. You mentioned one. Another is fatigue and burnout over the course of a long season. That's not a good way to manage

[mth123]

If you're saying that they need another starter because Sonny Gray can't give them innings then they got bigger problems than that. They invested a decent prospect, a high draft pick and about $40 million in this guy. If he needs to be replaced then we're in big trouble.

I think a more palatable issue here in the manager and how he's blowing through pitchers on a nightly basis. He needs to understand the ramifications of using 5 relievers on one day. You mentioned one. Another is fatigue and burnout over the course of a long season. That's not a good way to manage

Gray doesn't need to be replaced. He's a fine part of a rotation, but he's a role player and not a lead dog. The investment wasn't much. The minor leaguer is more suspect than prospect IMO and the money over the time he's signed for isn't out of line with what he provides (and probably a bargain compared to others guys who cost that much). As a 3rd or 4th starter, he's fine, but it doesn't work when the other guys aren't as good as him. Disco is the guy who needs replaced.

[DocRed]

God that Fat*** ump stunk

[cumberlandreds]

Too much Max Scherzer today. The guy is one of the best,maybe the best, in the game. You can't expect to get too much off him. Big play of the game was Winker's lineout after the back to back doubles. If that ball goes up the alley then who knows what may happen? Other than that, they couldn't touch Scherzer. Yes the HP umpire got a bit of a wide strike zone in the 8th. But you know what, as long as humans call balls and strikes you had better take the bat off your shoulder and swing if the pitch is close. Just disgusting to watch batters,not only with the Reds but all over MLB, take third strikes like they do in today's game. I just don't understand it?

I will also add this, Max Scherzer could pitch for me anytime he wanted. Just a flat out great competitor. He never wants out of a game and will do anything to win. I would almost kill to have a pitcher like that for the Reds. It's been a long time since the Reds have anyone close to him.

[RiverfrontRed]

Too much Max Scherzer today. The guy is one of the best,maybe the best, in the game. You can't expect to get too much off him. Big play of the game was Winker's lineout after the back to back doubles. If that ball goes up the alley then who knows what may happen? Other than that, they couldn't touch Scherzer. Yes the HP umpire got a bit of a wide strike zone in the 8th. But you know what, as long as humans call balls and strikes you had better take the bat off your shoulder and swing if the pitch is close. Just disgusting to watch batters,not only with the Reds but all over MLB, take third strikes like they do in today's game. I just don't understand it?

I will also add this, Max Scherzer could pitch for me anytime he wanted. Just a flat out great competitor. He never wants out of a game and will do anything to win. I would almost kill to have a pitcher like that for the Reds. It's been a long time since the Reds have anyone close to him.
Right. Their chance was yesterday not today. Bad series - a team with a losing record, at home, and they drop 2 of 3.

[WVRedsFan]

No shame in losing to their pitcher. The shame was on the bullpen who can't stop any team lately. Overuse? Beats me, but starters only going five innings and at this rate, the pen will be so tired by the AS break that winning will be impossible. I still have faith, but the handling of pitchers is head shaking.

[mth123]

No shame in losing to their pitcher. The shame was on the bullpen who can't stop any team lately. Overuse? Beats me, but starters only going five innings and at this rate, the pen will be so tired by the AS break that winning will be impossible. I still have faith, but the handling of pitchers is head shaking.

I agree in general, but I could make a case that the handling of these pitchers is the smoke and mirrors that have made such a low ceiling group so effective to this point in the year. They are a team with Castillo, Iglesias and a bunch of back end starters and middle relievers (though Garrett is becoming more of an elite high leverage guy). They need a frontline starter who can take some heat off the pen once in a while and another high end reliever (maybe two) who might give them enough guys who can actually hold a lead when the time comes. I think Hughes and Hernandez look used up and need to fall beck to lesser, lower leverage roles. There are three relievers on this team that I have confidence in and those are Lorenzen, Garrett and Iglesias and I'm not completely sold on Lorenzen. Bowman might be the next best at this point. Hughes should be in the long relief role and I'd give Hernandez a week or two off and see if he can come back strong with the rest. He was their best guy for a stretch, but he seemed to pitch every day and now he's not as effective. IF they can't get Hernandez back to where he was, they definitely need two high leverage relievers.

[Sea Ray]

Gray doesn't need to be replaced. He's a fine part of a rotation, but he's a role player and not a lead dog. The investment wasn't much. The minor leaguer is more suspect than prospect IMO and the money over the time he's signed for isn't out of line with what he provides (and probably a bargain compared to others guys who cost that much). As a 3rd or 4th starter, he's fine, but it doesn't work when the other guys aren't as good as him. Disco is the guy who needs replaced.

Why use a game started by Gray to make the point that Disco needs to be replaced? Replacing Disco won't make Gray pitch more innings.

The point is this: The kind of starter you covet isn't easy to acquire. Even Sonny Gray had a big pricetag. I think they need to look at in house options first like Sims.

[mth123]

Why use a game started by Gray to make the point that Disco needs to be replaced? Replacing Disco won't make Gray pitch more innings.

The point is this: The kind of starter you covet isn't easy to acquire. Even Sonny Gray had a big pricetag. I think they need to look at in house options first like Sims.

The point is that Gray is their second best starter and that isn't good enough for somebody who slots there. This team has it's Cueto (Castillo), Bailey (Gray), Arroyo (Roark) and Leake (Mahle). They need to push Josh Fogg (Disco) aside and go get their Latos.

[Sea Ray]

The point is that Gray is their second best starter and that isn't good enough for somebody who slots there. This team has it's Cueto (Castillo), Bailey (Gray), Arroyo (Roark) and Leake (Mahle). They need to push Josh Fogg (Disco) aside and go get their Latos.

Good point. I'm not excited about another Latos deal. They pretty much traded 4 1st rd picks (Volquez had 1st rd talent
) for him. This team can't afford to trade 4 1st rd picks for anyone. That's far too pricey for a small market team.

[Wonderful Monds]

Good point. I'm not excited about another Latos deal. They pretty much traded 4 1st rd picks (Volquez had 1st rd talent
) for him. This team can't afford to trade 4 1st rd picks for anyone. That's far too pricey for a small market team.

Volquez was not a “first round talent” at the time the Reds traded him, he was basically completely falling apart. He had no value, he was a throw in.

[mth123]

Good point. I'm not excited about another Latos deal. They pretty much traded 4 1st rd picks (Volquez had 1st rd talent
) for him. This team can't afford to trade 4 1st rd picks for anyone. That's far too pricey for a small market team.

Well, Latos was pre-arb with 4 years of control remaining. That's why he cost so much talentwise. The Reds need to target a similar talent with maybe a different contract situation. They have a ton of money coming off the books and can take on a contract. Greinke still makes sense to me but I doubt he's available, but as the season wears on, some names will become available. Money seems to be what the Reds have available though. They have about $60 Million coming off the books after the season.

[Sea Ray]

Volquez was not a “first round talent” at the time the Reds traded him, he was basically completely falling apart. He had no value, he was a throw in.

Well he was our Game 1 starter in the 2010 playoffs and he's still in the league today at age 35. I agree with you that I didn't mind losing him as much as the other 3.

It was an awfully high price to pay as all 4 of those guys went on to have long MLB careers. The blueprint for a team like the Reds has to be one that is receiving 4 talents like that, not trading them.

[Sea Ray]

Well, Latos was pre-arb with 4 years of control remaining. That's why he cost so much talentwise. The Reds need to target a similar talent with maybe a different contract situation. They have a ton of money coming off the books and can take on a contract. Greinke still makes sense to me but I doubt he's available, but as the season wears on, some names will become available. Money seems to be what the Reds have available though. They have about $60 Million coming off the books after the season.

Teams like the Reds don't acquire Greinke types. That's not how the Brewers won the division or how the Royals won their WS. Bear in mind, I'm not talking 2 mo rentals here.

[cumberlandreds]

Teams like the Reds don't acquire Greinke types. That's not how the Brewers won the division or how the Royals won their WS. Bear in mind, I'm not talking 2 mo rentals here.

IIRC, the Royals did acquire Johnny Cueto in mid season.

[Sea Ray]

IIRC, the Royals did acquire Johnny Cueto in mid season.

"Bear in mind, I'm not talking 2 mo rentals here."