6/6/2019 Reds at Cardinals DAY GAME

[cumberlandreds]

Reds try to sweep what is now a two game series. Game time is 1:15 PM

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[cumberlandreds]

Looks like they should get this one in today. Only a 15% chance of rain according weather.com from 1 to 5 pm. Future radar didn't show anything either for that time.

[North]

Looks like they should get this one in today. Only a 15% chance of rain according weather.com from 1 to 5 pm. Future radar didn't show anything either for that time.

Looking good...perhaps a light sprinkle or two, but the heavier precip should stay south.

[mamell]

They finally moved Puig down to 6th in the lineup? That feels like a first.. Whether it is or not I don't recall, but it feels like it.

[CySeymour]

They finally moved Puig down to 6th in the lineup? That feels like a first.. Whether it is or not I don't recall, but it feels like it.

I think recently they've been hitting him 6th against righties.

[Big Klu]

They finally moved Puig down to 6th in the lineup? That feels like a first.. Whether it is or not I don't recall, but it feels like it.


I think recently they've been hitting him 6th against righties.

Yes, he has been hitting 6th vs. RHP, and 4th vs. LHP.

[cumberlandreds]

Senzel grounds out to third to get this game started.

[cumberlandreds]

Votto Grounds out to SS. They are working this Cards pitcher. Both Senzel and Votto went 3-2 on him before making an out.

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Suarez with a two out single to bring Dietrich up to the plate.

[cumberlandreds]

Dietrich walks. If anything, this pitcher has thrown a lot of pitches this inning.

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And Winker swings at the first pitch and pops out to LF......................

[androosh]

What I would give for a more patient Winker right now. Wild pitching and you pop out on the first pitch?

[mhs95_06]

Did Winker spend a lot of time since he last played thinking about elevation due to all the DPs, which cost him the easy pop-up even though there was no possibility of a DP there?

[cumberlandreds]

Carpenter K's

[cumberlandreds]

Dejong K's. We have a nice theme going here.

[cumberlandreds]

Goldschmidt pops out to end the Cards 1st. No score in this one after 1.

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Disco with 21 pitches in the 1st. Hudson with 25.

[mhs95_06]

1,2,3 for Desclafani, but 21 pitches since they wouldn't get themselves out, so he had to K 2 of them.

[cumberlandreds]

Puig bounces out back to the mound.

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Iglesias with a backward K.

[cumberlandreds]

Barnhart grounds out to SS to end the 2nd.

36 pitches for Hudson through two. Only 11 in the 2nd.

[RiverfrontRed]

I have a feeling it's gonna be a high scoring game... I hope winks breaks out of his slump.

[cumberlandreds]

Ozuna singles.

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Fowler grounds out to SS. Ozuna to 2nd. Iggy couldn't turn the two because of shifting.

[BCubb2003]

What was that just now between Welsh and Thom?

[Spanky]

usually a DP ball but with the shift on no one was close enough to cover 2B...

[cumberlandreds]

Ozuna steals 3rd.

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Wong K's. Big K out there.

[cumberlandreds]

Weiters flies out to LF to end the Cards 2nd. No score.

[mhs95_06]

They still had two infielders on each side of 2B, and Dietrick won the race to 2B with Osuna, but Iggy declined on the force at 2nd to get a more sure out at 1st. Osuna got to 3rd with one out, but is stranded there. 38 and 36 pitches thru 2.

[cumberlandreds]

Disco grounds back to the mound.

[marcshoe]

Puig bounces out back to the mound.

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Iglesias with a backward K.

I love it when they throw strike three first.

[cumberlandreds]

Senzel doubles. I have to put a WL (wasn't listening) in the scorebook on that one.

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Votto K's

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Suarez grounds out to third to end the Reds third. No score.

[cumberlandreds]

I love it when they throw strike three first.

I can only go by what Marty or the Cowboy tells me. :)

[mhs95_06]

Votto looking pathetic with a runner in scoring position with one out, and both teams fail with runner on 2nd with 1 out.

[cumberlandreds]

Bader singles to start the Cards third.

[Saven]

What was that just now between Welsh and Thom?

Those two have been a very awkward team in the booth this year lol. I don't think they've ever really liked each other and it's been boiling over this year.

[cumberlandreds]

Hudson sacrifices and Bader goes all the way to third.

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Those two have been a very awkward team in the booth this year lol. I don't think they've ever really liked each other and it's been boiling over this year.

Maybe they will fight like the Detroit announcers did last year. :evil:

[cumberlandreds]

Carpenter singles to drive in the first run of the game.

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Carpenter steals 2nd.

[ochoa30]

Disco looking like a rookie. Embarrassing.

[cumberlandreds]

DeJong grounds out. Carp holds at 2nd.

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Goldy flies out to end the third. 1-0 Cards

[ochoa30]

Bader stole that run. Heads up play.

[North]

Self-inflicted run...

[mhs95_06]

Suarez should have been able to easily get back to 3B in time since the bunt went to the right side.

[cumberlandreds]

Dietrich flies out.

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Winker bloops in a single. Time for a Puig HR.

[cumberlandreds]

Puig doubles and Winker to third. Good rally started this inning.

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Iglesias with an IBB. Make'em pay Barney!

[North]

Sac fly please.

[cumberlandreds]

SF by Barnhart and we are all tied up at one.

[cumberlandreds]

Disco bounces out to third to end the inning. 1-1 in the 4th.

Hudson at 62 pitches through four.

[Saven]

....more awkwardness from Thom and Chris just now. :laugh:

[adkindo]

I did not even realize Iglesias had been intentionally walked....wondered how there was a force at 3rd.

[ochoa30]

Man, Puig killed that. Too bad he couldn't lift it a bit more because it would have been a bomb.

[UKWhoDey]

Oooops

[adkindo]

how does a simulated game for a position player work?

[cumberlandreds]

Ozuna with an infield single.

[adkindo]

Suarez sure looked like he was taking his time

[RedsfaninMT]

Suarez sure looked like he was taking his time

He WAS taking his time!

[mhs95_06]

Ssuarez getting schooled by Osuna today!

[Baseballdad37]

Hey Suarez, let's just take our time!

[cumberlandreds]

Fowler singles into RF and Ozuna goes to third.

[ochoa30]

Fowler gonna be running for sure

[adkindo]

Fowler singles into RF and Ozuna goes to third.

he was almost on 2nd when Fowler hit the ball

[Spanky]

This team is a roller coaster ride.

[JFLegal]

disco is hard to watch. nibbles like crazy, forgets runners are on base. this is why he's about to have an era in the 5s.

[cumberlandreds]

Wong K's. That helps!

[Spanky]

I think the root of disco's problems are all in that gold chain around his neck.

[Big Klu]

how does a simulated game for a position player work?

You get three or four at-bats, and stand around a lot (because in my simulated games, Nolan Ryan is the simulated pitcher).

[North]

Disco hanging in...

[cumberlandreds]

Weiters K's but Fowler goes to 2nd. Bader IBB.

[Chip R]

I think the root of disco's problems are all in that gold chain around his neck.

But in order to be Disco, he has to have chains. Otherwise he'd just be Anthony.

[Baseballdad37]

What a great job by Disco, with the chain!!

[adkindo]

great job Disco

[JFLegal]

well, great job by disco to get out of trouble. i think i'll rip him more now just for the reverse-psychology factor.

[cumberlandreds]

Disco ain't dead yet! As he wiggles out of that jam by striking out the pitcher. Still 1-1 after four.

[ochoa30]

Probably should have gone with that pitch sooner but what a job by Disco!

[adkindo]

But in order to be Disco, he has to have chains. Otherwise he'd just be Anthony.

true

[50YrRedsFan]

Disco had a lot of trouble putting Hudson away. I would have him on a short leash from here on out.

[Big Klu]

Gotta say that the look of the red alternate jersey on the road is growing on me. I don't want them to overdo it, but it's not bad as a change of pace.

Now if they would just get rid of the red caps with the black bills.

[ochoa30]

3 pitches, 2 outs.

[mhs95_06]

Disco had a lot of trouble putting Hudson away. I would have him on a short leash from here on out.

That lolly-gag by Suarez made that inning about 3 times longer than if he would have gotten the first out. I think it took about all Disco had to get out of it.

[cumberlandreds]

Reds out quickly in the 5th. 1-1

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Disco had a lot of trouble putting Hudson away. I would have him on a short leash from here on out.

He probably only has one more inning. He's at 78 pitches.

[50YrRedsFan]

I can't figure out why no one is attempting to bunt with gimpy arm Carpenter at 3rd base. He can't throw with any power behind the ball.

[mhs95_06]

And now 66 pitches and Disco has to go out in the humidity again.

[North]

Thom calling D-Day the 2nd most-important date in our Nation's history...

[50YrRedsFan]

Thom calling D-Day the 2nd most-important date in our Nation's history...

He probably figures the 1st most important day is the day he was born. :laugh:

[mhs95_06]

Thom calling D-Day the 2nd most-important date in our Nation's history...

I agree, maybe it's #1. What would be #1?

[InsaneinthBrame]

Independence Day

[cumberlandreds]

I agree, maybe it's #1. What would be #1?

July 4, 1776. D-Day may be number two. If the Allies weren't successful that day we may be eating German food three times a day.

[North]

He probably figures the 1st most important day is the day he was born. :laugh:

Could there be any other? :notworthy:

[cumberlandreds]

I have to head home. I hope I can get home before this one is over. Anyway, bring home a win RZ!

[mhs95_06]

Big first out on a K!

[Chip R]

I agree, maybe it's #1. What would be #1?

July 4th 1776.

[Kc61]

I agree, maybe it's #1. What would be #1?

Signing of Declaration of Independence?
End of Civil War?
Emancipation Proclamation?
Scooter’s four home run game?

[Chip R]

He probably figures the 1st most important day is the day he was born. :laugh:

I was thinking the same thing. :lol:

[cumberlandreds]

Signing of Declaration of Independence?
End of Civil War?
Emancipation Proclamation?
Scooter’s four home run game?

Actually its October 22, 1975.

[Chip R]

July 4, 1776. D-Day may be number two. If the Allies weren't successful that day we may be eating German food three times a day.

I'm reading a bio of Churchill and coincidentally, I'm up to D-Day today.

[50YrRedsFan]

Actually its October 22, 1975.

Silly me.
Of course!

[JFLegal]

kind of surprising that a veteran like disco needs the dugout to remind him he should occasionally pay attention to the runners.

ozuna with a deep flyout. wheeeeew.

[50YrRedsFan]

Warning shot by Ozuna. Disco is probably done.

[BCubb2003]

Signing of Declaration of Independence?
End of Civil War?
Emancipation Proclamation?
Scooter’s four home run game?

It’s a journey.

[North]

Warning shot by Ozuna. Disco is probably done.

Good outing for him...best in a while.

[50YrRedsFan]

Where o' where has the Reds offense gone?

Still waiting for Home Runs

[Spanky]

*Insert exaggerated fart noise here*

[50YrRedsFan]

Kolten hit it to the Wong place.

[PuffyPig]

Wong is the only LH hitter in the world that would rather face Garrett than Disco.

[50YrRedsFan]

I know Bell will pinch hit for Garrett. I would leave him in for 1 more inning.

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Tucker, Nice ab

[Big Klu]

July 4, 1776. D-Day may be number two. If the Allies weren't successful that day we may be eating German food three times a day.

Not sure about that. It definitely would have been a blow to American morale, and it would have been a death blow to the Allied European forces, but I think the United States would have survived (especially since the US was in control of the Pacific Theater at that point.)

My guess is that if Germany had successfully defended the D-Day invasion, they would have prevailed in the War in Europe, while the US would have won the War in the Pacific, and the United States and Nazi Germany would have settled into a Cold War.

[adkindo]

nice hit Van Meter

[Spanky]

Time for Nick to drive in his BFF

[Umkubas]

nice hit Van Meter

AGREE

[WrongVerb]

Lance McAlister
@LanceMcAlister

and with 2 walks.

Lance McAlister @LanceMcAlister

VanMeter now 4 for 11 as a pinch-hitter....that's tough for a young guy.#Reds
7:26pm · 6 Jun 2019

[Spanky]

nice PA by Nick

[Umkubas]

Go Canada go

[RedsfaninMT]

Time for Joey to smack an EBH.

[Tony Cloninger]

Not sure about that. It definitely would have been a blow to American morale, and it would have been a death blow to the Allied European forces, but I think the United States would have survived (especially since the US was in control of the Pacific Theater at that point.)

My guess is that if Germany had successfully defended the D-Day invasion, they would have prevailed in the War in Europe, while the US would have won the War in the Pacific, and the United States and Nazi Germany would have settled into a Cold War.

You don’t think that it was already almost over?

The Russians were almost into Germany and while DDay helped I cannot believe in a war of attrition with them along with having to defend Italy that Germany would have won. Even if you throw out the atom bomb use on Germany. If necessary.

[adkindo]

Votto looks uncomfortable at the plate again today for some reason

[ochoa30]

That really is ridiculous. Swing the dang bat.

[alwaysawarrior]

My goodness I hate listening to Thom.

[brian5562]

Votto contributing as much as me on that at bat.

[JFLegal]

i don't know what was worse: votto's at-bat, or thom sounding like a 5-year-old whining while making the call.

[50YrRedsFan]

Votto looks uncomfortable at the plate again today for some reason

He needs to be moved down in the lineup. What a bad AB.

[BluegrassRedleg]

i don't know what was worse: votto's at-bat, or thom sounding like a 5-year-old whining while making the call.

They were both substantially embarrassing.

[Spanky]

hits over .400 for a week+ then has a few bad ABs and now he needs to move down in the order... some of you really like your knee jerk reactions.

[BluegrassRedleg]

One guy won't swing at anything, the other hacks away at first pitch. Ugh.

[North]

Not sure about that. It definitely would have been a blow to American morale, and it would have been a death blow to the Allied European forces, but I think the United States would have survived (especially since the US was in control of the Pacific Theater at that point.)

My guess is that if Germany had successfully defended the D-Day invasion, they would have prevailed in the War in Europe, while the US would have won the War in the Pacific, and the United States and Nazi Germany would have settled into a Cold War.

The German war machine was crushed. The Allies had complete mastery of the skies. The Russians were pouring over the Eastern front.

Germany was defeated before D Day...it was Stalin who was insisting on a Western front (so he could gobble up Eastern Europe).

[ochoa30]

That good offense sure didnt last very long

[Big Klu]

You don’t think

The Russians were almost into Germany and while DDay helped I cannot believe in a war of attrition with them along with having to defend Italy that Germany would have won. Even if you throw out the atom bomb use on Germany. If necessary.

Good point about Russia. I think the Eastern Front would have remained a hot war, so Germany very possibly would have eventually been defeated, but it would have taken longer.

[WrongVerb]

Good point about Russia. I think the Eastern Front would have remained a hot war, so Germany very possibly would have eventually been defeated, but it would have taken longer.

Well, don't forget, too, that the US was a year away from developing The Bomb. That would have been a game changer in Europe too.

[50YrRedsFan]

hits over .400 for a week+ then has a few bad ABs and now he needs to move down in the order... some of you really like your knee jerk reactions.

Not a knee jerk reaction. Despite his recent uptick, he is not the player he once was. His several inches choking up on the bat tells me his bat speed is not keeping up with the pitches and he is trying to compensate for it. 11 rbi's for a #2 hitter in your lineup doesn't work.

[bigfoot52]

Why didn't Bell just double switch VanMeter for Winker? Garrett would have be able to pitch another inning.

[Umkubas]

Yeah

[Spanky]

Not a knee jerk reaction. Despite his recent uptick, he is not the player he once was. His several inches choking up on the bat tells me his bat speed is not keep up with the pitches and he is trying to compensate for it. 11 rbi's for a #2 hitter in your lineup doesn't work.

I didn't see anyone advocating moving him down in the lineup for the past couple of weeks until today...

[50YrRedsFan]

I didn't see anyone advocating moving him down in the lineup for the past couple of weeks until today...

I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago.

[Spanky]

Game Over

[bigfoot52]

Seems like this happened to Lorenzen last week?

[adkindo]

oh well, can't win if you can't score runs

[Tony Cloninger]

Good point about Russia. I think the Eastern Front would have remained a hot war, so Germany very possibly would have eventually been defeated, but it would have taken longer.

Right. It would have just lasted another year maybe. Hungary would have remained and maybe Romania as well with Germany. They would have held out longer. But they saw the tide turning especially after D Day.
Spain even had about 60,000 soldiers as part of an Anti-Communist army under German command but without declaring official war. By late 1943 they had pulled most of them out.

But if D Day does not succeed and those Jet planes the Germans had coming before anyone else would have arrived sooner then I could see it extending until the end of 1945 at least.
The Western Allies at least bombed German production down along with the Romanian oil fields.

[Kc61]

Reds need more late inning relief.

Guys like Hughes, Hernandez, Lorenzen are middle men.

In a tie game like this, with Garrett used already, Reds need more dynamic arms for this situation.

[ochoa30]

Man that was about the worst pitch you could throw. Batting practice pitch to a struggling hitter.

[Spanky]

Seems like this happened to Lorenzen the last game.

it was the one before his last game that he appeared in, he gave up 4 runs against the pirates

[Tom Servo]

I would have thought it would be Carpenter in that situation to hit the HR, briefly got my hopes up after Lornzen got him.

[ochoa30]

Reds need more late inning relief.

Guys like Hughes, Hernandez, Lorenzen are middle men.

In a tie game like this, with Garrett used already, Reds need more dynamic arms for this situation.

That would be nice but the offense is the biggest problem. They had a good week or so and now it's back to garbage.

[Tony Cloninger]

Speaking of WW II. How about this bullpen!?

[Chip R]

You don’t think that it was already almost over?

The Russians were almost into Germany and while DDay helped I cannot believe in a war of attrition with them along with having to defend Italy that Germany would have won. Even if you throw out the atom bomb use on Germany. If necessary.

Tha Allies concern at the time was if D-Day failed, Russia may have negotiated peace with Germany. Russia wasn't exactly down with the US and Britain not opening up a 2nd front before they did. If Russia and Germany make peace, Germany is free to throw their troops on the eastern front to France. The Allies may have ended up victorious but there would have been a huge cost.

[Spanky]

Speaking of WW II. How about this bullpen!?

your aren't going to win a whole lot of games if you can only score 1-3 runs per game

[50YrRedsFan]

Don't get me wrong....I am pro Votto. He has carried this team since 2009. He will turn 36 in September. I would put only Frank Robinson and Pete Rose as the greatest Reds ever above Joey Votto. You can't stop father time.

[PuffyPig]

11 rbi's for a #2 hitter in your lineup doesn't work.

It's really from a lack of opportunities.

He has a .771 OPS with RISP, which is higher than most other Reds. Puig has 33 RBI's and a .699 OPS with RISP. Of course, Votto is on base for Puig.

[mhs95_06]

Don't get me wrong....I am pro Votto. He has carried this team since 2009. He will turn 36 in September. I would put only Frank Robinson and Pete Rose as the greatest Reds ever above Joey Votto. You can't stop father time.

Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan are above Votto also.

[Tony Cloninger]

your aren't going to win a whole lot of games if you can only score 1-3 runs per game

I agree with that too. The Reds are using Monoplanes instead of Jets.

[ochoa30]

I'm still trying to figure out how this offense has regressed so badly. I get that Scooter is hurt and Votto is getting old but what about these other guys? Just so odd to me.

[Rolando]

That would be nice but the offense is the biggest problem. They had a good week or so and now it's back to garbage.

Your right but this bullpen blows a ton of games

[Spanky]

I'm still trying to figure out how this offense has regressed so badly. I get that Scooter is hurt and Votto is getting old but what about these other guys? Just so odd to me.

especially with the HR explosion going on around the league

[Tom Servo]

If they lose this one it’s not the bullpen’s fault but I do agree it needs reenforcement if the Reds want to take a step forward.

But at some point this offense needs start delivering on a regular basis like the pitching does. 3 runs (so far) allowed is good enough to win, 1 run scored (so far) isn’t.

[Spanky]

Your right but this bullpen blows a ton of games

you tend to blow games win you come into a game with a 1 or 0 run lead most of the time.

[mhs95_06]

It's really from a lack of opportunities.

He has a .771 OPS with RISP, which is higher than most other Reds. Puig has 33 RBI's and a .699 OPS with RISP. Of course, Votto is on base for Puig.

Maybe so, but where do Votto's RBI stats stand on percent RBI of runners on 3rd with less than 2 out, and percent RBI of runners on 2nd plus runners on 3rd with 2 out?

[adkindo]

allright....get to top off the day with the Wandy experience

[50YrRedsFan]

Wandy "petrol" Peralta coming in.

[Tony Cloninger]

Tha Allies concern at the time was if D-Day failed, Russia may have negotiated peace with Germany. Russia wasn't exactly down with the US and Britain not opening up a 2nd front before they did. If Russia and Germany make peace, Germany is free to throw their troops on the eastern front to France. The Allies may have ended up victorious but there would have been a huge cost.

Good points as well but
I can’t see Stalin wanting peace with Hitler at all. He wanted unconditional surrender from Finland and all Finland wanted was what the Russians took during their smaller 1939 war.

Besides just being crazy I never understood why Germany and Italy would declare war first on the US right after Pear Harbor without any assurance or action in Japan’s part to invade Russia and force them to hold off their reserves in Siberia.
Instead of bringing them to what was eventually the Battle of Stalingrad.

[TRF]

Johnny Bench and Joe Morgan are above Votto also.

nope. Neither is Pete. Votto is neck and neck with Robinson.

It boggles my mind as to how much some fans dismiss Joey Votto.

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BTW, I have just about seen enough from Lorenzen.

[PuffyPig]

Maybe so, but where do Votto's RBI stats stand on percent RBI of runners on 3rd with less than 2 out, and percent RBI of runners on 2nd plus runners on 3rd with 2 out?

RISP, 2 outs, .893.

[Rolando]

you tend to blow games win you come into a game with a 1 or 0 run lead most of the time.

My only point is lorenzen isn't good enough. I don't disagree that the offense has been a mess but that still doesn't mean Lorenzen shouldn't be pitching in those situations.

[adkindo]

Marietta is Division 3....or at least use to be

[Rolando]

I will say this about Votto that last ab Was horrible how to take 4 straight pitches in that situation?

[Big Klu]

THom went to OU, and he is unaware of Marietta College?

[Kc61]

That would be nice but the offense is the biggest problem. They had a good week or so and now it's back to garbage.

No, it’s more than “nice” it’s essential.

I’m not going to debate what is most important on a team these days.

But if you’re trying to contend you are going to play tough, tight games against good teams. Even with a better offense. Those games are often decided by relievers.

Skimping on the bullpen has really cost the Reds.

These veteran middle relievers are not substitutes for shut down guys in the late innings.

[Tony Cloninger]

My only point is lorenzen isn't good enough. I don't disagree that the offense has been a mess but that still doesn't mean Lorenzen shouldn't be pitching in those situations.


Then he will turn around and pitch great. He’s too inconsistent to trust all the time I agree.

[adkindo]

not sure Barnhart could crack Marietta's lineup

[ochoa30]

No, it’s more than “nice” it’s essential.

I’m not going to debate what is most important on a team these days.

But if you’re trying to contend you are going to play tough, tight games against good teams.

And skimping on the bullpen has really cost the Reds.

These veteran middle relievers are not substitutes for shut down guys in the late innings.

I'm not disagreeing about the Pen being important but what do I care if we lose 2-1 instead of 3-1? They need to hit better then they have otherwise why trade assets so we can still not score enough to win ballgames

[Tom Servo]

We’re bad again

Reds Try Winning 3+ Games in a Row Challenge

[Spanky]

Reds bull pen ranked 3rd in total runs given up 4th in ERA 14th in strikeouts and 6th in walks coming into today. I cant see how the bullpen has been a huge issue this season. the Bullpen's mistakes are being amplified by the Offenses ineptitude.

[adkindo]

win one, lose one......

[BluegrassRedleg]

Good point about Russia. I think the Eastern Front would have remained a hot war, so Germany very possibly would have eventually been defeated, but it would have taken longer.

I've heard historians say the Nazis could have dragged that out several more years without worrying about a second front. The toll on human lives would have been unimaginable, even more than it already was. It's insane how many people Russia lost in WW2.

[50YrRedsFan]

win one, lose one......

and the beat goes on..........

[Spanky]

win one, lose one......

that's what .500 ball clubs do.

[adkindo]

Reds bull pen ranked 3rd in total runs given up 4th in ERA 14th in strikeouts and 6th in walks coming into today. I cant see how the bullpen has been a huge issue this season. the Bullpen's mistakes are being amplified by the Offenses ineptitude.

if someone told me before the game that the Cardinals would only score 3 runs....you take that almost every time.....1 or 2 runs is rarely going to win a game

[BluegrassRedleg]

that's what .500 ball clubs do.

Throw out the 1-8 start, and that's exactly what this bunch is.

I've been frustrated with that at times, but before the season started, when asked what I would consider progress, I think I said 81-81 with young players continuing to develop.

[adkindo]

that's what .500 ball clubs do.

you are a Reds fan....what do you know about .500 clubs?

[North]

And now it's off to the City of Brotherly Shove...

[Rolando]

if someone told me before the game that the Cardinals would only score 3 runs....you take that almost every time.....1 or 2 runs is rarely going to win a game

Yep bad offense and horrible pitching from lorenzen killed them today.

[WVRedsFan]

I know Lorenzen has his fans on here, but if I was David Bell, I'd never put Lorenzen in a close game. He's prone to the HR and his fastball has little movement at times. He longs to play in the field. Let him, please let him because he can turn a close game into a loss often, or so it seems. Tough loss and now they're back to 5 games over .500.

[Spanky]

Throw out the 1-8 start, and that's exactly what this bunch is.

I've been frustrated with that at times, but before the season started, when asked what I would consider progress, I think I said 81-81 with young players continuing to develop.

yeah I feel like most predicted a .500 year which is certainly an improvement from being a 90 loss club. yet it still feels like a disappointment.

[ochoa30]

Throw out the 1-8 start, and that's exactly what this bunch is.

I've been frustrated with that at times, but before the season started, when asked what I would consider progress, I think I said 81-81 with young players continuing to develop.

This is true but you would have assumed at the beginning of the season that we would be held back by the pitching and it's been the opposite. That's what been upsetting to me. If they were even average this year they would be right in the thick of things. Instead they are last place again. Were now into June and still waiting for them to come around.

[Kc61]

I'm not disagreeing about the Pen being important but what do I care if we lose 2-1 instead of 3-1? They need to hit better then they have otherwise why trade assets so we can still not score enough to win ballgames

There are many aspects of this team that need work. It is not a competition as to which area is worst. Not sure why that’s a useful issue.

If you’re going to compete against top competition, you are going to face tough, tight games. You can’t have middle relievers throwing the late innings.

[Rolando]

yeah I feel like most predicted a .500 year which is certainly an improvement from being a 90 loss club. yet it still feels like a disappointment.

I think it looks like a disappointment because in my opinion there hasn't been really any progress all season. It's has been stagnant

[adkindo]

yeah I feel like most predicted a .500 year which is certainly an improvement from being a 90 loss club. yet it still feels like a disappointment.

I think I had talked myself into 90+ wins....like 91, 92

[TheBigLebowski]

This sucks. That is all.

[Spanky]

I think I had talked myself into 90+ wins....like 91, 92

they only need to go 63-38 to finish the season with 91 wins.

[Kc61]

I think I had talked myself into 90+ wins....like 91, 92

Reds lost 95 last year. It was not a mirage or an accident. They are coming back from oblivion. Give it time to get better, they are headed in the right direction.

[gagliano]

I know Lorenzen has his fans on here, but if I was David Bell, I'd never put Lorenzen in a close game. He's prone to the HR and his fastball has little movement at times. He longs to play in the field. Let him, please let him because he can turn a close game into a loss often, or so it seems. Tough loss and now they're back to 5 games over .500.

yep. let him stay in the field. his freakish body building makes me think he fancies himself as mr. slugger rather than mr. pitcher. muscle bound.

[ochoa30]

There are many aspects of this team that need work. It is not a competition as to which area is worst. Not sure why that’s a useful issue.

If you’re going to compete against top competition, you are going to face tough, tight games. You can’t have middle relievers throwing the late innings.

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Of course it's not a competition but focusing on a part of the team that hasn't been bad at all and ignoring the major issue would be unwise. IMO they should just swallow their pride and move on from anyone with any value on a short deal and build the farm. Nobody wants to hear that but they dont have the assets nessecary to make enough moves to compete this year. That's what people were saying when they made that Dodgers trade and they were right. Trading assets to barely compete for one season makes little sense.

[Rolando]

This sucks. That is all.


I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Of course it's not a competition but focusing on a part of the team that hasn't been bad at all and ignoring the major issue would be unwise. IMO they should just swallow their pride and move on from anyone with any value on a short deal and build the farm. Nobody wants to hear that but they dont have the assets nessecary to make enough moves to compete this year. That's what people were saying when they made that Dodgers trade and they were right. Trading assets to barely compete for one season makes little sense.

If they start selling off players this year then that's one thing I can put to bed forever in reds baseball. Cuz if they do that that just proves that the reds don't even care about winning as an organization

[ochoa30]

If they start selling off players this year then that's one thing I can put to bed forever in reds baseball. Cuz if they do that that just proves that the reds don't even care about winning as an organization

Do you want a perennial contender or a team that would be lucky to finish. 500 this year and then back to 90+ losses the next few after that. I think they could possibly compete by next year if they handle this season properly. The reason we are even having this conversation is because they have failed to do that going back to the Todd Frazier debacle when they held onto him too long and many others as well. This team has a tiny percentage chance of even competing for the second wild card this year and to me that's not worth being awful again starting next year.

[Kc61]

I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. Of course it's not a competition but focusing on a part of the team that hasn't been bad at all and ignoring the major issue would be unwise. IMO they should just swallow their pride and move on from anyone with any value on a short deal and build the farm. Nobody wants to hear that but they dont have the assets nessecary to make enough moves to compete this year. That's what people were saying when they made that Dodgers trade and they were right. Trading assets to barely compete for one season makes little sense.

Reds are 8-13 in one run games. 2-4 in extra inning games. The bullpen is very often the decisive factor in these types of games. Overall bullpen ERA doesn’t tell the story. It’s whether you can win the close ones.

The answer to this problem is not that the offense is also a problem. The answer is to devote more resources to the pen, an area that Reds have not emphasized sufficiently.

[BluegrassRedleg]

I know Lorenzen has his fans on here, but if I was David Bell, I'd never put Lorenzen in a close game. He's prone to the HR and his fastball has little movement at times. He longs to play in the field. Let him, please let him because he can turn a close game into a loss often, or so it seems. Tough loss and now they're back to 5 games over .500.

He's Ondrusek 2.0. Looks the part, throws hard, but ultimately his fastball is too straight and too often in the heart of the zone.

[Ironman92]

That game sucked. Cardinals base running won this game. Lorenzen bleh

Focus Disco

Swing the bat and protect smh

Bad Loss

[Kingspoint]

Reds are 8-13 in one run games. 2-4 in extra inning games. The bullpen is very often the decisive factor in these types of games. Overall bullpen ERA doesn’t tell the story. It’s whether you can win the close ones.

The answer to this problem is not that the offense is also a problem. The answer is to devote more resources to the pen, an area that Reds have not emphasized sufficiently.

Who to pitch in leverage sutuations. When the Veterans aren't getting it done, it's time for a change. I hope Bell isn't married to certain guys in certain situations, even though successful bullpens have always said they became good when everyone knew their roles. But, when the roles aren't getting it done, which they aren't, then the roles have to change. It's the first week of June and a perfect time to redefine the roles.

Iglesias doesn't have to close.

Would like to see Bowman given a chance for higher leverage situations. Amir deserves a chance to be the closer along with a rope long enough for him to fail at it three times before deciding he isn't succeeding at it.

[KronoRed]

And now it's off to the City of Brotherly Shove...

Jay Bruce awaits.

[Alabama]

Do you want a perennial contender or a team that would be lucky to finish. 500 this year and then back to 90+ losses the next few after that. I think they could possibly compete by next year if they handle this season properly. The reason we are even having this conversation is because they have failed to do that going back to the Todd Frazier debacle when they held onto him too long and many others as well. This team has a tiny percentage chance of even competing for the second wild card this year and to me that's not worth being awful again starting next year.

You are exactly right. Rolando and a lot of the guys on this site see it differently though, they would rather be 500 than use those short term assets to build for the future. It’s shortsighted but it’s also just being a fan.
It’s why a lot of folks here hate me. My only goal is to win the title. This group is not capable of that. Trade off the short term era even at the expense of wins this year. Plus we will have a better draft pick.

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Throw out the 1-8 start, and that's exactly what this bunch is.

I've been frustrated with that at times, but before the season started, when asked what I would consider progress, I think I said 81-81 with young players continuing to develop.

I would agree but which young players are developing? Castillo, Garret, and Senzel? 500 would be awesome if we were a going team full of inexperienced guys, but we aren’t. And that’s why this sucks.
This team isn’t young at all

[Tony Cloninger]

This team reminds me of the 1986-88 Reds. Especially 1987-88. So much frustration

[RiverfrontRed]

To quote Denny Green, "They are who we thought they were!" That's what it appears to be --- a .500 team at best.

[Alabama]

To quote Denny Green, "They are who we thought they were!" That's what it appears to be --- a .500 team at best.

I agree. Especially with the at best part as this team hasn’t been 500 since the 2nd game of the season

[Sea Ray]

He needs to be moved down in the lineup. What a bad AB.

It was horrible and for as much as Joey knows about hitting, he hasn't figured out that choking up leaves him vulnerable to outside pitches like Miller fed him there. For Joey they were unhittable

[RiverfrontRed]

At least we didn't send a pitcher up swinging away with one out and the bases loaded.

[mamell]

It was horrible and for as much as Joey knows about hitting, he hasn't figured out that choking up leaves him vulnerable to outside pitches like Miller fed him there. For Joey they were unhittable

He didn't lift his bat to swing. I was listening to the Cards play by play and they suggested he was looking for a slider all the way which was never thrown..

[JaxRed]

That's when we know Bell has some stones....... Farmer should have pinch hit. Joey was helpless against Miller.

[cumberlandreds]

Not sure about that. It definitely would have been a blow to American morale, and it would have been a death blow to the Allied European forces, but I think the United States would have survived (especially since the US was in control of the Pacific Theater at that point.)

My guess is that if Germany had successfully defended the D-Day invasion, they would have prevailed in the War in Europe, while the US would have won the War in the Pacific, and the United States and Nazi Germany would have settled into a Cold War.

I was mostly kidding when I said that latter part. I think it would have been difficult for Germany to have still won the war in Europe with Russia bearing down on them from the east. Russia may have eventually taken all of Europe. Who knows? Just be thankful that D-Day and beyond was successful and were able to end the war in Europe within in a year. Just too many endless possibilities if we had not.

[mhs95_06]

RISP, 2 outs, .893.

Is that OPS, or 89% of runners he knocks in when they are on 2nd or 3rd when he comes to bat with 2 out? What is your OPS if you come to the plate 10 times with RISP and go 0-5 with 5 BB and no RBI?

[Sea Ray]

I was mostly kidding when I said that latter part. I think it would have been difficult for Germany to have still won the war in Europe with Russia bearing down on them from the east. Russia may have eventually taken all of Europe. Who knows? Just be thankful that D-Day and beyond was successful and were able to end the war in Europe within in a year. Just too many endless possibilities if we had not.

I think the east-west iron curtain line would have been drawn much further west if we'd not gone into France. The first few waves of that invasion was a suicide mission on the part of our men. Imagine the bravery and unselfishness to agree to be in that wave to free a country an ocean away from yours.