Reds @ Angels 6-25-19

[WrongVerb]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D97s3G1X4AEC6pw.jpg:small

[CaiGuy]

Stack those righties!

[Ron Madden]

I’m not a huge fan of trying to steal bases now days but they should be able to run on Lucroy even with a lefty on the mound

[Indymoon]

Is it unusual to schedule a 2 game trip on the west coast? I know these are inter-league games but it seems like the MLB schedule usually has at least 2 stops on a west coast trip.

[Ron Madden]

Is it unusual to schedule a 2 game trip on the west coast? I know these are inter-league games but it seems like the MLB schedule usually has at least 2 stops on a west coast trip.

Yes, the Reds have a pretty weird schedule this year. Including two Friday off-days and two home games in Mexico

[Big Klu]

I like the personnel in the lineup, though I would make some slight adjustments to the batting order:

Senzel cf
J. Iglesias ss
Votto dh
Suarez 3b
Puig rf
Ervin lf
Casali c
Farmer 1b
Peraza 2b

[RiverfrontRed]

Not a fan of Ervin at this point. He needs to get on base tonight. Farmer in the 9-hole looks appealing though.

[JaxRed]

Let's pretend: If Scooter was activated today, how would he fit in this lineup? Benched because he's lefty? DH instead of Votto? 2nd base instead of Peraza? He had a .774 OPS last year against lefties.

[Spanky]

Let's pretend: If Scooter was activated today, how would he fit in this lineup? Benched because he's lefty? DH instead of Votto? 2nd base instead of Peraza? He had a .774 OPS last year against lefties.

probably starts at 2B and Peraza would move to LF

[Ironman92]

Let's pretend: If Scooter was activated today, how would he fit in this lineup? Benched because he's lefty? DH instead of Votto? 2nd base instead of Peraza? He had a .774 OPS last year against lefties.

Gotta give a look of how each are vs the pitcher too.

[Tom Servo]

auspicious start as Heaney K's Senzel on 3 pitches

[NebraskaRed]

Votto!

[Tom Servo]

Votto! :jump:

[kaldaniels]

Piss poor.

[North]

There are too many red uniforms in MLB.

Nice whack there, Votto.

[kaldaniels]

Your move Trout.

[Ironman92]

Votto moves into a tie for 7th on the Reds [emoji48]

[BluegrassRedleg]

Love the swing and result. But Jim Day's call = :laugh: So bad.

[Ron Madden]

Here Comes Joey Votto!!!

[Tom Servo]

Piss poor.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3pH8F1XaEYc/TGYXDVuNtVI/AAAAAAAANQU/Cubv7eGA2Vs/s1600/Slide3.JPG

[Big Klu]

Votto with a HR, but only one RBI.

#notelite


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Joey Votto - 277
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Frank McCormick - 110
23. Eugenio Suarez - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

[Ironman92]

Your move Trout.

I was at the ASG in Cincy when they honored the greatest living 4....out onto the field came Sandy Koufax, Johnny Bench and two guys named Hank and Willie.....huge standing ovation and chills throughout the park......few minutes later Trout the first batter of the game hit a HR to remind everyone he was there too.

[Ironman92]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3pH8F1XaEYc/TGYXDVuNtVI/AAAAAAAANQU/Cubv7eGA2Vs/s1600/Slide3.JPG

Didn’t know Chris Welsh played for the Mets

[Ron Madden]

I remember when he played for the Braves

[BluegrassRedleg]

If they give him the Glavine strike, he'll be tough tonight.

[NebraskaRed]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_3pH8F1XaEYc/TGYXDVuNtVI/AAAAAAAANQU/Cubv7eGA2Vs/s1600/Slide3.JPG

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[Tom Servo]

ugh Geno

don't know why he reversed course that close to home, might as well have hoped they'd screw up the play at the plate

[757690]

One thing that has not changed is the Reds lack of fundamentals.

[ochoa30]

ugh Geno

don't know why he reversed course that close to home, might as well have hoped they'd screw up the play at the plate

Exactly but with an actual hitter due up you gotta put the stop sign on there. Dont need to due the pitcher any favors.

[Red Raindog]

Serious TOOTBLAN Geno


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[Tom Servo]

One thing that has not changed is the Reds lack of fundamentals.
Cubs did this tonight

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/braves-turn-double-play-without-ball-in-play

[kaldaniels]

Mahle was an Angels fan?

Never knew there was such a thing.

[Tom Servo]

lol welp

[kaldaniels]

Like I say, you can’t have an inside the park HR without a fielder looking like a doofus.

[RedlegsFanatic]

That's what can happen when Votto only chokes up an inch instead of 8 inches...
It's almost like every time Votto's diminished power is written about he is like "oh yeah?"
And homers a few times. And then go back to slapping at the ball.

[Tom Servo]

where WAS Puig?

[757690]

As I was saying...

[Red Raindog]

May I ask where Puig was on that mess??


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[Rantly]

Easy play for BH.

[kaldaniels]

where WAS Puig?

Welsh gives Puig a huge pass...

[Tom Servo]

As I was saying...
Ah yes, the fundamentals like robbing a HR

[InsaneinthBrame]

That was awful

[JFLegal]

is chris welsh high?

defending puig for not backing up there?

[kaldaniels]

Day keeps qualifying Trout as the best player in the game...

“He might be the best player in the game...”

Points deducted Jimmy.

[RedlegsFanatic]

LaStella should publicly thank the Reds for trading Billy Hamilton.
Because that's a fly out if Billy is still in center.
But I still like Senzel out there more.

[Rantly]

where WAS Puig?

Puig is going to Puig once in awhile I guess

[Kc61]

Where was Puig.

Billy would have had it.

Mahle got squeezed on that HR at bat.

All true IMO.

[ochoa30]

Ah yes, the fundamentals like robbing a HR

Yeah, it was an incredibly tough play for a guy who hasn't played much CF in his first game in a new park. Welsh is right here. Its was just one of those plays unfortunately.

[Ironman92]

Bleh Senzel. At least hit the damn cutoff

First time all season I’ve not seen Puig sell out for the opportunity...I know it wasn’t his ball but what else was he doing on that play. Outfielders always have to make themselves part of the play when possible or needed.

If Puig is even 1/2 speed jogging that direction on contact....LaStella is held at 3rd

[JFLegal]

don't worry everyone who is wondering where puig was. chris welsh assures you there was no reason for puig to back up the play. and then chris welsh will tell you that 3 more times.

[Alabama]

Extend that man to salvage the trade

[bigfoot52]

where WAS Puig?

Welsh justifying Puig not moving toward CF. "The ball was going to be caught or a HR" ? What kind of logic is that? Puig should have been moving toward center.

[NebraskaRed]

is chris welsh high?

defending puig for not backing up there?

When in California...

[JFLegal]

Welsh justifying Puig not moving toward CF. "The ball was going to be caught or a HR" ? What kind of logic is that? Puig should have been moving toward center.

i think they snuck some edibles into the press box. not saying i'm not jealous.

[Kc61]

don't worry everyone who is wondering where puig was. chris welsh assures you there was no reason for puig to back up the play. and then chris welsh will tell you that 3 more times.

Just don’t get what Chris was thinking there. Those are the exact plays when the RF SHOULD back up. Tough running plays at the wall, that’s when you need Puig. Not the easy ones.

[JFLegal]

When in California...

lol, true

[bigfoot52]

LaStella should publicly thank the Reds for trading Billy Hamilton.
Because that's a fly out if Billy is still in center.
But I still like Senzel out there more.
I like Senzel at the plate better.

[Tom Servo]

Welsh justifying Puig not moving toward CF. "The ball was going to be caught or a HR" ? What kind of logic is that? Puig should have been moving toward center.
I mean ultimately the result is probably the same and that certainly wasn't an ordinary play, but a Puig throw certainly could have had a better chance.

Mahle served it up on a tee for La Stella, though he was getting squeezed in that AB to kind of force his hand. All comes back to the need for robo umps.

[InsaneinthBrame]

Yeah, it was an incredibly tough play for a guy who hasn't played much CF in his first game in a new park. Welsh is right here. Its was just one of those plays unfortunately.

I would give Senzel a pass on that play because of his inexperience in CF.

[Tadasimha]

Well, Mahle didn't let the outfield goofiness or bad strike zone get to him - three quick outs. Time to get a few more runs

[ochoa30]

don't worry everyone who is wondering where puig was. chris welsh assures you there was no reason for puig to back up the play. and then chris welsh will tell you that 3 more times.

He just said that even if he was it would have been the same outcome in his opinion. Considering he is there and can see how far Puig would have needed to go I'll take his word for it. Theres is absolutely no way puig could have known that a ball hit pretty much to straight away CF would bounce back towards him. It happens.

[Ironman92]

Glad that wasn’t Schebler that missed that potential out/triple turned HR

[JFLegal]

Just don’t get what Chris was thinking there. Those are the exact plays when the RF SHOULD back up. Tough running plays at the wall, that’s when you need Puig. Not the easy ones.

it was soooo out of character for welsh. makes me wonder if he received some heat for making some very minor criticisms of puig earlier this season. just so weird. as you said, that is the precise type of play where an outfielder needs to be backing up his fellow outfielder. but welsh said like 4x that it was not on puig. lol.

[Ironman92]

Billy would’ve had it

[JFLegal]

Glad that wasn’t Schebler that missed that potential out/triple turned HR

if he was 23 and was hitting like senzel, we would have excused it. ;0

[Tom Servo]

Billy would’ve had it
I actually recall Billy having one or two of those clank off his glove last season.

[bigfoot52]

I would give Senzel a pass on that play because of his inexperience in CF.

Senzel deserves the year to learn the position in game conditions..

[Big Klu]

There are too many red uniforms in MLB.

Nice whack there, Votto.

What Angels uniforms are supposed to look like:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/301089092346_/1982-ROD-CAREW-California-Angels-BASEBALL-ACTION.jpg

[JFLegal]

He just said that even if he was it would have been the same outcome in his opinion. Considering he is there and can see how far Puig would have needed to go I'll take his word for it. Theres is absolutely no way puig could have known that a ball hit pretty much to straight away CF would bounce back towards him. It happens.

yeah, he's wrong. triple at the least if puig backs up the play. and then welsh went on and on about how puig couldn't have prevented the inside-the-park home run. just high comedy.

[Bunting Bad]

Has there ever been a Felix Millan bobblehead night? Asking for a friend.

[Kc61]

Trout couldn’t handle the LD by Peraza. C’mon Reds, buy low.

[NebraskaRed]

it's TOOTBLAN night

[JFLegal]

damn, this is just a dumb team that shoots itself in the foot constantly.

[BluegrassRedleg]

don't worry everyone who is wondering where puig was. chris welsh assures you there was no reason for puig to back up the play. and then chris welsh will tell you that 3 more times.

One typically doesn't "back up" plays hit to dead center. Maybe a bit more urgency in moving that direction, but I'm betting he thought it was out of the park or being caught.

[Tadasimha]

Drat!

[bigfoot52]

Another base running gem.

[Ironman92]

Reds ....get it together smh

[Jomama]

Terrible base running and poor defense...some things never change.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Ugh

[Ironman92]

What Angels uniforms are supposed to look like:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/301089092346_/1982-ROD-CAREW-California-Angels-BASEBALL-ACTION.jpg

His stats are silly

[Tom Servo]

Terrible base running and poor defense...some things never change.
hey we missed you during the win streak

[RR1971]

Peraza has to be the one to go when scooter comes back. It will be Ervin though.

[fielder's choice]

How many times has Peraza done that this year? Seems like a lot

[757690]

This is getting silly.

[Tom Servo]

How many times has Peraza done that this year? Seems like a lot
4th caught stealing compared to just 5 steals. Definitely seems to have regressed on the base paths.

[JFLegal]

Peraza has to be the one to go when scooter comes back. It will be Ervin though.

at least peraza gets on base so he has the chance of getting picked off. does ervin ever do anything?

also, not defending peraza. just trying to be (non) funny for the most part.

[WrongVerb]

Peraza is the guy I'm looking to trade.

[Jomama]

Cubs did this tonight

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/braves-turn-double-play-without-ball-in-play

Anecdotal...the Reds do it far more often.

[JFLegal]

4th caught stealing compared to just 5 steals. Definitely seems to have regressed on the base paths.

you could have put a period after regressed.

[NebraskaRed]

Every team in the central other than the Reds is currently losing.

[North]

What Angels uniforms are supposed to look like:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/301089092346_/1982-ROD-CAREW-California-Angels-BASEBALL-ACTION.jpg

MLB probably needs to remove the word "uniform" from their lexicon. Anything goes these days.

[Ironman92]

What Angels uniforms are supposed to look like:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/301089092346_/1982-ROD-CAREW-California-Angels-BASEBALL-ACTION.jpg

From 1972-1978 led the AL in hitting 6 times and one time he didn’t he still hit .331

From 1973-1977.....Carew averaged .358

[Tom Servo]

Every team in the central other than the Reds is currently losing.
Anecdotal...the Reds do it far more often.

[Rolando]

4th caught stealing compared to just 5 steals. Definitely seems to have regressed on the base paths.

My biggest complaint is Peraza should have been on second anyway after his hit that should have definitely been a double

[JFLegal]

Peraza is the guy I'm looking to trade.

i'm sure his trade value could get us a 26-year-old pitcher at double-a with an era in the 4s.

[757690]

Peraza is useful utility player, but like all bench players, he has his warts.

[Jomama]

Ah yes, the fundamentals like robbing a HR

The ball was catchable...especially in the Major Leagues.

[BluegrassRedleg]

From 1972-1978 led the AL in hitting 6 times and one time he didn’t he still hit .331

I bought the plastic batting helmet version of that one and put some stickers on the back for 29. Used to wear it occasionally while batting in our old neighborhood backyard baseball games.

[Tom Servo]

Peraza is the guy I'm looking to trade.
It's funny, I suggested it in the offseason in the context of a Realmuto deal and nobody really wanted to hear it. For a place that has washed their hands of Peraza nobody was especially looking to trade him or move him off SS in the offseason.

[JFLegal]

Peraza is useful utility player, but like all bench players, he has his warts.

yes, in all seriousness, i like having peraza as a utility player. i think the reds should keep him, for two main reasons: the aforementioned reason that he's a good utility player that can play 2b/ss/cf/lf, and can hit a little bit. also, because there isn't a team that would give up much for him, so really no reason for the reds to deal him. unless something shocking would happen and a team would give up something of clear value for him.

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It's funny, I suggested it in the offseason in the context of a Realmuto deal and nobody really wanted to hear it. For a place that has washed their hands of Peraza nobody was especially looking to trade him or move him off SS in the offseason.

wait, what was the exact deal you were proposing for realmuto? peraza + who? senzel?

[Jomama]

hey we missed you during the win streak

I was on vacation. They're not losing yet tonight, are they?

[Tadasimha]

It's funny, I suggested it in the offseason in the context of a Realmuto deal and nobody really wanted to hear it. For a place that has washed their hands of Peraza nobody was especially looking to trade him or move him off SS in the offseason.

20/20 Hindsight GMs are anecdotal

[NebraskaRed]

It's funny, I suggested it in the offseason in the context of a Realmuto deal and nobody really wanted to hear it. For a place that has washed their hands of Peraza nobody was especially looking to trade him or move him off SS in the offseason.

To be fair, that's when we were all told that Iglesias was a good defensive SS who couldn't hit worth a damn.

[BluegrassRedleg]

yes, in all seriousness, i like having peraza as a utility player. i think the reds should keep him, for two main reasons: the aforementioned reason that he's a good utility player that can play 2b/ss/cf/lf, and can hit a little bit. also, because there isn't a team that would give up much for him, so really no reason for the reds to deal him. unless something shocking would happen and a team would give up something of clear value for him.

Agree. There's a place for him. Just wouldn't count on him as an everyday guy. Kind of a poor man's Zobrist.

[Tom Servo]

To be fair, that's when we were all told that Iglesias was a good defensive SS who couldn't hit worth a damn.
I think his bat is still likely to regress a tad but if anything I think his defense was undersold. I remembered some defensive metrics not liking him at one point which seems insane.

[Ironman92]

Agree. There's a place for him. Just wouldn't count on him as an everyday guy. Kind of a poor man's Zobrist.

Or a walkless Zobrist with no power

[RR1971]

at least peraza gets on base so he has the chance of getting picked off. does ervin ever do anything?

also, not defending peraza. just trying to be (non) funny for the most part.
I just don’t think Peraza has a future with the Reds and Ervin might. Neither one does much but I’ve seen all I want out of Peraza and Bell thinks he has to play him all the time for some reason. Can’t play him if he’s in Louisville.

[JFLegal]

Or a walkless Zobrist with no power

he did hit 14 home runs last year. (now stop making me defend him! lol)

[Ironman92]

If only Iglesias had quick hands

[Tom Servo]

wait, what was the exact deal you were proposing for realmuto? peraza + who? senzel?
I think it was something like India + Peraza + Santillan, I basically figured the Marlins might want a pre-arb guy with upside like Peraza who they could play at SS considering they were (and still are) sending a middling journeyman like Miguel Rojas out there.

[JFLegal]

I just don’t think Peraza has a future with the Reds and Ervin might. Neither one does much but I’ve seen all I want out of Peraza and Bell thinks he has to play him all the time for some reason. Can’t play him if he’s in Louisville.

neither likely have a future with the reds. but if one of them does, i would put my money on peraza as a utility guy for the next couple years.

[ochoa30]

Reds are gonna have to score some runs in this series. This angels team has some solid offensive producers.

[JFLegal]

I think it was something like India + Peraza + Santillan, I basically figured the Marlins might want a pre-arb guy with upside like Peraza who they could play at SS considering they were (and still are) sending a middling journeyman like Miguel Rojas out there.

man, because of india and santillan, i was probably one of those idiots saying "hell no" to that trade idea for realmuto.

can i have a mulligan?

[Big Klu]

I bought the plastic batting helmet version of that one and put some stickers on the back for 29. Used to wear it occasionally while batting in our old neighborhood backyard baseball games.

I had a bunch of those back in the early 80's when I was a kid. (Didn't have the Angels, though.)

I had the Reds, Astros, Braves, Expos, Yankees, Brewers, Royals, and the Columbus Clippers. I also swiped my brother's Pirates and Indians helmets.

[NebraskaRed]

is Thom only doing home games now?

[RR1971]

neither likely have a future with the reds. but if one of them does, i would put my money on peraza as a utility guy for the next couple years.

Agree but Ervin might have to get a lot of playing time in the OF next year but probably not long term.

[JFLegal]

is Thom only doing home games now?

if he is, let's tell him the team moved to bermuda.

[Tom Servo]

ooof

[Ironman92]

Well that was a quick bat ...geesh

[JFLegal]

well, that just happened. the effing 8th hitter hit a 3-run homer. 4-1 angels.

[bigfoot52]

Well... We are playing from behind now.

[Jomama]

Well, according to some, I'm not allowed to post on here when the Reds are losing. So see you all next time.

[Tom Servo]

Mahle going 3-2 on these guys doesn't seem to be working out too well

[BluegrassRedleg]

Or a walkless Zobrist with no power

I'm just talking position utility, to be clear. A REAL poor man's Zobrist for what you're talking about... unless he reverts to August 2018 Peraza.

[RR1971]

Well, may not have to stay up late tonight.

[Tom Servo]

Well, according to some, I'm not allowed to post on here when the Reds are losing. So see you all next time.
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[Tadasimha]

ouch

[JFLegal]

probably the only time i prefer thom is when the opposing team hits a home run. he feels the same pain. jim day (who i prefer over thom overall, of course) just acted like, oh, that team just hit a 3-run home run. did anyone see that? should i have changed my voice inflection at all? lol.

[BluegrassRedleg]

is Thom only doing home games now?

Hopefully.

[Ron Madden]

45 pitches and just one out in the 2nd inning

[Baseballdad37]

Ok I’m done with Mahle. He hasn’t impressed me at all.

[JaxRed]

Well, according to some, I'm not allowed to post on here when the Reds are losing. So see you all next time.

OK !!

[JFLegal]

Ok I’m done with Mahle. He hasn’t impressed me at all.

i still prefer him over disco, but they're both average-at-best. at least mahle is younger.

[Jomama]

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[Tom Servo]

Disappointing string of starts given the way the offense has been going. Sonny, Castillo, Disco, and now Mahle with duds, Reds thankfully won the Gray one and can hopefully come back in this one. Maybe Roark gets them back on track tomorrow.

[Rolando]

The starting pitchers need to pick it back up hopefully

[ochoa30]

Disappointing string of starts given the way the offense has been going. Sonny, Castillo, Disco, and now Mahle with duds, Reds thankfully won the Gray one and can hopefully come back in this one. Maybe Roark gets them back on track tomorrow.

It's so Reds that pretty much the minute the offense picks it up the Starters would crap the bed. Like you said hopefully Roark can be the stopper tomorrow.

[Red Raindog]

Puig is going to Puig once in awhile I guess

Well he Puiged down his leg


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[RR1971]

i still prefer him over disco, but they're both average-at-best. at least mahle is younger.

He’s made improvements from last year but has a long way to go.

[NebraskaRed]

Good start to the inning.

[Tom Servo]

Good start, Senzel leadoff double (and dab)

[Ron Madden]

WTG Nick!

[bigfoot52]

One more inning for me unless we score some runs here.
8:00 tee time in the morning.

[Tadasimha]

Plenty of innngs left to catch up

[Tom Servo]

Now is the time to respond a 3 run HR of your own, if ya ask me

[Jomama]

Disappointing string of starts given the way the offense has been going. Sonny, Castillo, Disco, and now Mahle with duds, Reds thankfully won the Gray one and can hopefully come back in this one. Maybe Roark gets them back on track tomorrow.

15012

[BluegrassRedleg]

Tie this thing up, A Hugh.

[JFLegal]

One more inning for me unless we score some runs here.
8:00 tee time in the morning.

life is rough brother. watch baseball until you go to bed. get up and play golf.

[Big Klu]

One more inning for me unless we score some runs here.
8:00 tee time in the morning.

Tea time is at 4 pm, good sir.

https://images.huffingtonpost.com/2015-11-01-1446393801-8425897-PicardTea-thumb.jpg

[Ironman92]

Anyone else having trouble posting? It’s giving me fits freezing and closing out the app

[RedTeamGo!]

Once.

Just once I would enjoy watching the Reds draft and develop a quality big league starter.

Literally every other team in baseball is capable of doing it. Not the Reds, though.

Just. Once.

[RR1971]

Goodness

[JFLegal]

pretty sure that ab could not have gone worse for geno if he had his eyes closed the entire time.

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Anyone else having trouble posting? It’s giving me fits freezing and closing out the app

i can't even read this post. who is this? what language are you trying to use?

[ochoa30]

Of course

[JFLegal]

that was fun. get the first two guys on. then piss down leg.

[Tom Servo]

brutal

[ochoa30]

Hate to say it but Suarez is hurting this team badly right now. When will his slump end?

[Tom Servo]

Once.

Just once I would enjoy watching the Reds draft and develop a quality big league starter.

Literally every other team in baseball is capable of doing it. Not the Reds, though.

Just. Once.
I mean it's disappointing Mahle hasn't taken a step forward yet but he's still a perfectly fine BOR guy, with potential for more.

[bigfoot52]

life is rough brother. watch baseball until you go to bed. get up and play golf.

Rough....

[North]

life is rough brother. watch baseball until you go to bed. get up and play golf.

:laugh:

[Rolando]

That was so brutal offense after the first two guys get on

[ochoa30]

7 baserunners through 3 innings and 1 run. That's just insanely bad.

[Tadasimha]

Once.

Just once I would enjoy watching the Reds draft and develop a quality big league starter.

Literally every other team in baseball is capable of doing it. Not the Reds, though.

Just. Once.

You missed out on Johnny Cueto?

[malcontent]

It's funny, I suggested it in the offseason in the context of a Realmuto deal and nobody really wanted to hear it. For a place that has washed their hands of Peraza nobody was especially looking to trade him or move him off SS in the offseason.
For me it didn't need to be stated.

[NebraskaRed]

Cubs lose, Pirates just about to lose.

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean it's disappointing Mahle hasn't taken a step forward yet but he's still a perfectly fine BOR guy, with potential for more.

I’m sick of BOR guys. I watch every other team draft and develop TOR arms and the reds draft and develop BOR arms if they are extremely lucky and more often dudes that either end up as mediocre relievers or out of baseball. I just find it very frustrating. Why can’t we have a Chris Sale?

[Big Klu]

You missed out on Johnny Cueto?

Technically, he wasn't drafted, but was an international free agent.

Probably the last Reds draftee who became a quality starting pitcher for the Reds was Tom Browning.

[RedTeamGo!]

You missed out on Johnny Cueto?

Didn’t draft him.

[Kc61]

I mean it's disappointing Mahle hasn't taken a step forward yet but he's still a perfectly fine BOR guy, with potential for more.

Not a complete excuse but Mahle gets little run support, has pitched mostly road games, so his W-L is a bit deceptive.

Tonight he fell behind hitters in that second inning and had to come in with it. Ump has a smallish strike zone, but no excuse for grooving one to the eighth hitter.

[NebraskaRed]

Ervin with a nice catch.

[JaxRed]

I think Mahle thought that last one was gone..

[757690]

Once.

Just once I would enjoy watching the Reds draft and develop a quality big league starter.

Literally every other team in baseball is capable of doing it. Not the Reds, though.

Just. Once.

It was awhile ago, but Gary Nolan, and Mario Soto wasn’t drafted, but signed and developed by the Reds.

[RR1971]

I’m sick of BOR guys. I watch every other team draft and develop TOR arms and the reds draft and develop BOR arms if they are extremely lucky and more often dudes that either end up as mediocre relievers or out of baseball. I just find it very frustrating. Why can’t we have a Chris Sale?
We don’t really develop many offensive players. We have basically 3 starters who were drafted and that covers around 15 drafts. Now we traded a few away to be fair. It’s also not like we have a bunch about to come up.

[Jomama]

I mean it's disappointing Mahle hasn't taken a step forward yet but he's still a perfectly fine BOR guy, with potential for more.

15013

[North]

Anyone else having trouble posting? It’s giving me fits freezing and closing out the app

Suit up...may as well join the stranded players on the field. :D

[RedTeamGo!]

We don’t really develop many offensive players. We have basically 3 starters who were drafted and that covers around 15 drafts. Now we traded a few away to be fair. It’s also not like we have a bunch about to come up.

Not really true. The reds have drafted and developed star offensive players in my time as a fan.

[ochoa30]

I’m sick of BOR guys. I watch every other team draft and develop TOR arms and the reds draft and develop BOR arms if they are extremely lucky and more often dudes that either end up as mediocre relievers or out of baseball. I just find it very frustrating. Why can’t we have a Chris Sale?

We all feel your pain but how many Chris Sale type pitchers are there? I'm trying to think of all these ace type pitchers you seem to think are being developed by every other team and I can't. Most teams aren't doing much better then the Reds are on that front. A lot of the great pitchers in the league aren't even with the team that drafted them and many didnt have all that much success until they were moved a few times.

[RR1971]

Not really true. The reds have drafted and developed star offensive players in my time as a fan.

I’m talking current roster.

[Big Klu]

It was awhile ago, but Gary Nolan, and Mario Soto wasn’t drafted, but signed and developed by the Reds.

Don Gullett and Tom Browning were both drafted by the Reds after Gary Nolan.

[Ironman92]

Heaney very deceptive. Pretty formidable pitcher these first two times through

[ochoa30]

Heaney very deceptive. Pretty formidable pitcher these first two times through

He gave up 7 baserunners through the first 3 innings. The baserunning mistakes bailed him out big time.

[Ironman92]

Peraza swings at first pitch and lines out

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m talking current roster.

Joey Votto...

Also, Senzel is going to be excellent.

[Red Raindog]

One more inning for me unless we score some runs here.
8:00 tee time in the morning.

My tee time is 9:00
Let us play thru when we catch you
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[ochoa30]

Joey Votto...

Also, Senzel is going to be excellent.

Winker may not be incredible but hes a damn solid hitter who a lot of teams would be happy to have. Still think he will be a pretty big time offensive player.

[Big Klu]

They will always be the California Angels as far as I'm concerned.

[Rolando]

Ervin is really good at striking out.

[Tom Servo]

I’m sick of BOR guys. I watch every other team draft and develop TOR arms and the reds draft and develop BOR arms if they are extremely lucky and more often dudes that either end up as mediocre relievers or out of baseball. I just find it very frustrating. Why can’t we have a Chris Sale?
I think anyone expecting Tyler Mahle to be Chris Sale would have had their head way up in the clouds. He was always more Rick Porcello.

Hope springs eternal for Nick Lodolo though.

[bottom_feeder]

It's funny, I suggested it in the offseason in the context of a Realmuto deal and nobody really wanted to hear it. For a place that has washed their hands of Peraza nobody was especially looking to trade him or move him off SS in the offseason.

I think you would be hard pressed to anyone last winter that thought Peraza was untouchable.
But if it boosts your self esteem to believe you are so smart, good for you.
People might have been hesitant to dump Peraza over the winter due to lack of depth at SS at the organization.. you know, someone has to play there.

[RR1971]

Joey Votto...

Also, Senzel is going to be excellent.
Over the last 10 years Votto, Bruce, Mesaraco, Frazier and Cozart are the only reds drafted position players to make an ASG. The last 3 only made it once I think. The ASG isn’t the best measure but it shows we aren’t developing and bringing up many players.

[Big Klu]

My tee time is 9:00
Let us play thru when we catch you
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[ochoa30]

I think anyone expecting Tyler Mahle to be Chris Sale would have had their head way up in the clouds. He was always more Rick Porcello.

Hope springs eternal for Nick Lodolo though.

This and while it sucks that Hunter Greene had TJS this year I still have high hopes for him. A lot of people act like the guy is dead but thats just non sense.

[Big Klu]

I think anyone expecting Tyler Mahle to be Chris Sale would have had their head way up in the clouds. He was always more Rick Porcello.

Hope springs eternal for Nick Lodolo though.

I just hope he isn't more like Pat Pacillo.

[bottom_feeder]

I think it was something like India + Peraza + Santillan, I basically figured the Marlins might want a pre-arb guy with upside like Peraza who they could play at SS considering they were (and still are) sending a middling journeyman like Miguel Rojas out there.

And they would have laughed at that proposal.

[Ironman92]

He gave up 7 baserunners through the first 3 innings. The baserunning mistakes bailed him out big time.

We don’t know that it bailed him out. He likely pitches Peraza differently with bases having runners everywhere vs him leading off.

His deception helped pick off Peraza

[ochoa30]

We don’t know that it bailed him out. He likely pitches Peraza differently with bases having runners everywhere vs him leading off.

His deception helped pick off Peraza

But we do know that it didnt help the Reds. That's for sure. Not saying the guys sucks but he has not been great tonight at all.

[bottom_feeder]

Once.

Just once I would enjoy watching the Reds draft and develop a quality big league starter.

Literally every other team in baseball is capable of doing it. Not the Reds, though.

Just. Once.

Were you around when they drafted Leake? There's your one. :lol:

[Tom Servo]

I think you would be hard pressed to anyone last winter that thought Peraza was untouchable.
But if it boosts your self esteem to believe you are so smart, good for you.
People might have been hesitant to dump Peraza over the winter due to lack of depth at SS at the organization.. you know, someone has to play there.
Did I say he was viewed as untouchable? Are you feeling touchy? I'm just saying I put the idea out and nobody was really saying "yeah, let's sell high". I'm no sage, I didn't think Peraza would regress like this, I'm just in favor of being proactive and wasn't see many other suggestions to trade Peraza.

The Reds picked up a SS for nothing, so that's a great argument about "nobody wanted to trade Peraza because of depth reasons" you've got there.


And they would have laughed at that proposal.
Yeah it obviously wouldn't have gotten that done, we know that now. Glad you're keeping me in line here, boss man.

[Big Klu]

Were you around when they drafted Leake? There's your one. :lol:

I gotta be honest; I forgot all about him! Yes, he should be included, though the Reds didn't really do much to develop him. He sprung forth fully formed from the draft like Athena from the head of Zeus.

[WVRedsFan]

You know, I may not make it through this one. Tired. Rally doesn't look like the Reds' night. I'll stay up as long as I can, but two running mistakes and Mahle's breakdown plus the lazy offense just has me down.

[NebraskaRed]

I really think that most of Mahle's issues are mental. He gets rattled easily. Whether or not he can get that under control is the question.

[Ironman92]

But we do know that it didnt help the Reds. That's for sure. Not saying the guys sucks but he has not been great tonight at all.

Great > formidable

He just looks better in general than I thought he was

[Jomama]

I think anyone expecting Tyler Mahle to be Chris Sale would have had their head way up in the clouds. He was always more Rick Porcello.

Hope springs eternal for Nick Lodolo though.

Nobody said they expected Tyler Mahle to be Chris Sale.

[Tom Servo]

Nobody said they expected Tyler Mahle to be Chris Sale.
I was having a conversation with RTG, weren't you leaving for vacation or some nonsense.

[NebraskaRed]

Also, it never seems like the Reds play well after a day off.

[ochoa30]

Great > formidable

He just looks better in general than I thought he was

Hes a pretty good pitcher. Just cant stay healthy. Just wish the Reds could have that AB back with the bases loaded in the first when he was struggling. The whole game could be very different.

[Kc61]

I really think that most of Mahle's issues are mental. He gets rattled easily. Whether or not he can get that under control is the question.

Mahle’s biggest three problems are that he’s only 24, he throws up in the zone, and the Reds don’t score for him.

[NebraskaRed]

Mahle’s biggest three problems are that he’s only 24, he throws up in the zone, and the Reds don’t score for him.

and how often he throws up in the zone (or smack dab in the middle) is often because he gets rattled.

[Ironman92]

Hes a pretty good pitcher. Just cant stay healthy. Just wish the Reds could have that AB back with the bases loaded in the first when he was struggling. The whole game could be very different.

I wish Angels #8 hitter didn’t Mazara a ball into the stands like he did

[RR1971]

Mahle’s biggest three problems are that he’s only 24, he throws up in the zone, and the Reds don’t score for him.

All of his numbers are better this year than last year. I think the 24 you mentioned may be the important number. If he continues to get better he can be really good.

[Tom Servo]

Ump giving Heaney all the corners.

[Kc61]

and how often he throws up in the zone (or smack dab in the middle) is often because he gets rattled.

His fastball up in the zone is his best pitch, so he throws it all the time. Rattled, not rattled, happy, sad. Medium. He’s effective up there but it is a spot that can result in long balls. Could be why he’s a #4 pitcher and not a #1.

But he’d be a lot better if he ever got runs to work with.

[bottom_feeder]

Did I say he was viewed as untouchable? Are you feeling touchy? I'm just saying I put the idea out and nobody was really saying "yeah, let's sell high". I'm no sage, I didn't think Peraza would regress like this, I'm just in favor of being proactive and wasn't see many other suggestions to trade Peraza.

The Reds picked up a SS for nothing, so that's a great argument about "nobody wanted to trade Peraza because of depth reasons" you've got there.


Yeah it obviously wouldn't have gotten that done, we know that now. Glad you're keeping me in line here, boss man.

Come on, you were bragging that you had a trade worked out for Realmuto with Peraza and no one else had your great foresight. More than likely, your trade proposal was ignored or only critical people responded, just like when I made a trade proposal a few weeks ago.. That's just message board life.

The .Reds got SS Iglesis this year as a starter off the junk heap. Very true. But it does not happen very often. I guess the last time the Reds had pulled it off was Gomes? Maybe I am forgetting something, but it's not very common for a quality SS to come off of waivers.. Note that Iglesis got a minor league contract (or something like that).. His OPS the last 3 seasons was 643, 657, and 699.. If you are the Reds front office predicted this offensive upswing from him, then I give you (or the front office) all the credit in the world, but I am guessing that most fans figured that Iglesis was in camp as a utility man or depth guy. Iglesis may still crash to earth offensively this year. I hope not, but it's possible. But yes, a great sign, but did you actualy say "Great, now that we have Iglesis, we can shop Peraza?" I don't know.. but if you did, then yes, take a bow.

If I suggested this winter that we could have gotten Realmuto for Schelber, Ervin, Finnegan, and Rob Stephenson.. that really doesn't give me the right to say "I told you so" now.

[Kc61]

On cue, Reds hit into a double play.

[Ironman92]

Ump giving Heaney all the corners.

Casali got to first on a tight 2-2 pitch being a ball

Reds are getting on but not getting it done

[kaldaniels]

Come on, you were bragging that you had a trade worked out for Realmuto with Peraza and no one else had your great foresight. More than likely, your trade proposal was ignored or only critical people responded, just like when I made a trade proposal a few weeks ago.. That's just message board life.

The .Reds got SS Iglesis this year as a starter off the junk heap. Very true. But it does not happen very often. I guess the last time the Reds had pulled it off was Gomes? Maybe I am forgetting something, but it's not very common for a quality SS to come off of waivers.. Note that Iglesis got a minor league contract (or something like that).. His OPS the last 3 seasons was 643, 657, and 699.. If you are the Reds front office predicted this offensive upswing from him, then I give you (or the front office) all the credit in the world, but I am guessing that most fans figured that Iglesis was in camp as a utility man or depth guy. Iglesis may still crash to earth offensively this year. I hope not, but it's possible. But yes, a great sign, but did you actualy say "Great, now that we have Iglesis, we can shop Peraza?" I don't know.. but if you did, then yes, take a bow.

If I suggested this winter that we could have gotten Realmuto for Schelber, Ervin, Finnegan, and Rob Stephenson.. that really doesn't give me the right to say "I told you so" now.

Are you claiming the Phillies would have taken your offer? No way. (You may not be, I’m quite confused)

[bottom_feeder]

Are you claiming the Phillies would have taken your offer? No way.

No, my point is, they wouldn't have taken that offer. Just like they would not have taken Tom's offer. Thus, no bragging rights for me in that situation.

[BluegrassRedleg]

This be some uninspired baseball tonight.

[Ron Madden]

The Trolls are out to get Servo tonight.

[JaxRed]

Hate to see Senzel jump at the first base bag. Good way to get hurt

[Tom Servo]

Come on, you were bragging that you had a trade worked out for Realmuto with Peraza and no one else had your great foresight. More than likely, your trade proposal was ignored or only critical people responded, just like when I made a trade proposal a few weeks ago.. That's just message board life.

The .Reds got SS Iglesis this year as a starter off the junk heap. Very true. But it does not happen very often. I guess the last time the Reds had pulled it off was Gomes? Maybe I am forgetting something, but it's not very common for a quality SS to come off of waivers.. Note that Iglesis got a minor league contract (or something like that).. His OPS the last 3 seasons was 643, 657, and 699.. If you are the Reds front office predicted this offensive upswing from him, then I give you (or the front office) all the credit in the world, but I am guessing that most fans figured that Iglesis was in camp as a utility man or depth guy. Iglesis may still crash to earth offensively this year. I hope not, but it's possible. But yes, a great sign, but did you actualy say "Great, now that we have Iglesis, we can shop Peraza?" I don't know.. but if you did, then yes, take a bow.

If I suggested this winter that we could have gotten Realmuto for Schelber, Ervin, Finnegan, and Rob Stephenson.. that really doesn't give me the right to say "I told you so" now.
The Realmuto thing was just for context man, I was not "bragging" that I had the perfect deal figured out. I'm not taking any bows, nor am I in anyway upset, like you apparently are that an idea of yours got ignored. I'm simply saying for all the "trade Peraza" posts there are now, it was not being said much, if at all, in the offseason. And that would have been the perfect time for it.

[Big Klu]

Come on, you were bragging that you had a trade worked out for Realmuto with Peraza and no one else had your great foresight. More than likely, your trade proposal was ignored or only critical people responded, just like when I made a trade proposal a few weeks ago.. That's just message board life.

The .Reds got SS Iglesis this year as a starter off the junk heap. Very true. But it does not happen very often. I guess the last time the Reds had pulled it off was Gomes? Maybe I am forgetting something, but it's not very common for a quality SS to come off of waivers.. Note that Iglesis got a minor league contract (or something like that).. His OPS the last 3 seasons was 643, 657, and 699.. If you are the Reds front office predicted this offensive upswing from him, then I give you (or the front office) all the credit in the world, but I am guessing that most fans figured that Iglesis was in camp as a utility man or depth guy. Iglesis may still crash to earth offensively this year. I hope not, but it's possible. But yes, a great sign, but did you actualy say "Great, now that we have Iglesis, we can shop Peraza?" I don't know.. but if you did, then yes, take a bow.

If I suggested this winter that we could have gotten Realmuto for Schelber, Ervin, Finnegan, and Rob Stephenson.. that really doesn't give me the right to say "I told you so" now.

Ryan Ludwick?

[Tom Servo]

If I suggested this winter that we could have gotten Realmuto for Schelber, Ervin, Finnegan, and Rob Stephenson.. that really doesn't give me the right to say "I told you so" now.
Ohhh, hey REDREAD.

[Rolando]

I was really hoping they were turning the corner but it looks like they're right back to what they were before

[Kingspoint]

Brewers losing.

Cards losing.

Cubs lost.

Pirates lost.

[NebraskaRed]

Cardinals lose.

[ochoa30]

Brewers losing.

Cards losing.

Cubs lost.

Pirates lost.

Atleast we wont lose ground with a loss but a comeback would be pretty sweet

[NebraskaRed]

the NL Central is having itself a a bad night.

[Big Klu]

The Trolls are out to get Servo tonight.

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[Tom Servo]

Atleast we wont lose ground with a loss but a comeback would be pretty sweet
Gotta stop grounding into those double plays.

[fielder's choice]

Good effort there

[Tom Servo]

Well, at least they didn't clank heads this time...

[NebraskaRed]

Yikes

[Kc61]

Probably Mahle’s last inning, almost at 100 pitches, let’s just get out of this situation.

[NebraskaRed]

Brewers lose

[Rolando]

Well, at least they didn't clank heads this time...

Lol true baby steps.

[Tom Servo]

He is hitting better lately but I do think the idea of sending Peraza down when Scooter returns makes sense. Tell him to work on the small things.

[Mutaman]

I love Red Zone. Six straight years of miserable baseball but hey, the Cardinals lost today

[NebraskaRed]

I love Red Zone. Six straight years of miserable baseball but hey, the Cardinals lost today

huh?

[Kc61]

He is hitting better lately but I do think the idea of sending Peraza down when Scooter returns makes sense. Tell him to work on the small things.

It’ll be Ervin most likely.

[Tom Servo]

come on, that first pitch to Upton on the outside corner is one that Heaney's been getting all night

[Ron Madden]

Ball 1 looked pretty good to me

[North]

Jeeze...professional baseball players, playing ball since they were children. And this, Senzel and Peraza????

[RedTeamGo!]

I was having a conversation with RTG, weren't you leaving for vacation or some nonsense.

But for reals, I wasn’t comparing Mahle to Sale.

Maybe I’ve had 7 IPAs tonight and I just felt like saying “just once” a few times.

Had anyone considered that? Just once won’t be people consider that?

[Mutaman]

huh?

Look at the bright side, we won't lose any ground today.

[Kc61]

Jeeze...professional baseball players, playing ball since they were children. And this, Senzel and Peraza????

I think Peraza got messed up when Senzel attacked the pop up at full speed. He didn’t want another collision and figured Senzel had it. They have to work that play out, can’t happen.

[NebraskaRed]

Look at the bright side, we won't lose any ground today.

ok

[bottom_feeder]

The Realmuto thing was just for context man, I was not "bragging" that I had the perfect deal figured out. I'm not taking any bows, nor am I in anyway upset, like you apparently are that an idea of yours got ignored. I'm simply saying for all the "trade Peraza" posts there are now, it was not being said much, if at all, in the offseason. And that would have been the perfect time for it.

Yea, you were bragging, but I will let it go, even though it is my job to keep you in line. :lol:
MLB teams are not dumb. Everyone knows what Peraza is.. He's a marginal starter at best. Not that great on defense.. There really is no "sell high" on him.. He was sold high to the Reds when he was a prospect brimming with potential.. Last winter, he was already exposed. Again, if someone said last winter "Sell high on Schebler" , there really wasn't much to sell high on.. he was also perceived as a marginal starter at best.

[Tom Servo]

Nice job by Mahle to get a scoreless inning there against the heart of the order. Not a good start but he didn't let it get out of hand.

[bottom_feeder]

Ryan Ludwick?

Ok, good pick. More recent than Gomes. Still does not happen very often though.