Brewers @ Reds 7-1-19

[Ron Madden]

Winker RF
Votto 1B
Suarez 3B
Gennett 2B
Senzel CF
Dietrich LF
Iglesias SS
Casali C
Mahle P

[cumberlandreds]

Casali is going to be an iron man behind the plate until Barnhart comes back.

[RiverfrontRed]

Puig sits...

[CaiGuy]

Puig sits...

Getting the lefties in there today...I like it.

[klw]

Whatever complaints people have about Bell, Williams and company, they get the lineups out far earlier than under the Price regime.

[CaiGuy]

Whatever complaints people have about Bell, Williams and company, they get the lineups out far earlier than under the Price regime.

Exactly, more time to complain! ;)

[NebraskaRed]

Whatever complaints people have about Bell, Williams and company, they get the lineups out far earlier than under the Price regime.

I think I've read that Bell tends to make the lineup the night before.

[JaxRed]

Casali is going to be an iron man behind the plate until Barnhart comes back.

Love to see what Farmer looks like behind the plate.

[RichRed]

Ahh, Mahle-to-Casali. One of the top 5 rhyming batteries of all time.

[Big Klu]

Casali is going to be an iron man behind the plate until Barnhart comes back.

I think you will see Farmer get a start in the Brewers series, either Wednesday night or Thursday afternoon.

[Roy Tucker]

Greetings from GABP. Gorgeous night at the ballpark.

[North]

I think I've read that Bell tends to make the lineup the night before.

Nothing wrong with giving the competition a heads-up...er.

EDIT: Did I think that out properly?

[BluegrassRedleg]

"Blinded by the light..."

[NebraskaRed]

it took him a lot of pitches, but Mahle gets it done in the first.

[JaxRed]

Mahle throws about 26 pitches but gets out with only a walk to Yelich. Dietrich fought the sun for last out.

[NebraskaRed]

Winker breaks up the no-hitter.

[North]

Nice Texas Leaguer for Winker.

[50YrRedsFan]

If the Reds hitters were competent bunters, they could get these shifts minimized. I would exploit the shift every time.

Alas, another facet of the game is missing.

[Sea Ray]

Reds really rushed Scooter Gennett. He is in no way ready to face major league pitching. This is early March for his timing. I know he didn't want to stay long in the minor leagues, who would? But it's hurting the major league team. Why the Reds do stuff like this I'll never know

[Bob Sheed]

There you go, RZ.... an apology from Thom, just for you. :lol:

[NebraskaRed]

only 15 pitches that time, and Mahle gets it done again.

[Indymoon]

There you go, RZ.... an apology from Thom, just for you. :lol:

His last sentence was unnecessary.

[Ron Madden]

39 pitches in 2 innings will make it kinda tough to pitch deep into the game Tyler.

[TheBigLebowski]

Lo Calorie Diet Rich with a nice 2 bagger

[Bob Sheed]

His last sentence was unnecessary.

It was kind of a sorry, not sorry, wasn't it...

[TheBigLebowski]

The bottom is kinda falling out for Jose

[NebraskaRed]

15043

[50YrRedsFan]

It just amazes me that the Reds are dead last in MLB in doubles. Third to last in total hits. Shows you how slow the team is.

[davereds24]

The bottom is kinda falling out for Jose

His bat was so quick the first couple months. Time to get Peraza more work the give Iglesias more rest. No reason to start all 3 games against the Cubs in that heat then again tonight.

[Wonderful Monds]

The bottom is kinda falling out for Jose

I thought the talk of how he should get an extension seemed pretty premature. This seemed completely inevitable.

He’s a fine backup, but nothing more than that.

[BluegrassRedleg]

It just amazes me that the Reds are dead last in MLB in doubles. Third to last in total hits. Shows you how slow the team is.

I'm not sure if that's related to their footspeed. I just think it's an all-or-nothing approach for most of these hitters, and you take a big dip when Votto has become more of a singles hitter.

[JaxRed]

Scooter should not stand shirtless next to Dietrich.

[Sea Ray]

It's sad that our 8 hitter is so weak that the other team sees no reason to pitch around him with 2 outs and 1B open

[50YrRedsFan]

I'm not sure if that's related to their footspeed. I just think it's an all-or-nothing approach for most of these hitters, and you take a big dip when Votto has become more of a singles hitter.

good point.

[Indymoon]

It was kind of a sorry, not sorry, wasn't it...

He said sorry and asked for “grace” from critics and then I think said I know that’s hard for some (or many?) of you. Just odd.

[Bob Sheed]

Mahle looks great.

But also looks to hit 100 pitches by the 6th inning.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom FSO Hex in 3...2...1...

[Tom Servo]

Thom gets fooled on a fairly routine flyout by Dietrich.

[TheBigLebowski]

Give the poor guy some run support

[BluegrassRedleg]

Thom gets fooled on a fairly routine flyout by Dietrich.

15044

[BluegrassRedleg]

Durnit. Mahle just seems to lose location on one a game. That was tee'd up.

[ochoa30]

Man, Hiura has serious pop. Hes a 30 homer guy in the future. The rich get richer.

[NCReds]

Definitely obstruction. He did not touch the bag because the pitcher was in way. Should be an easy call right here.


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[ochoa30]

That should be obstruction IMO. No way Iglesias could get to the bag.

[davereds24]

I'd love to know the details on this rule. He was out before the pitcher really blocked the baseline. Should have ran him over though.

[North]

Batter up.

[ochoa30]

Man, weak offense so far. Lots of pop ups and flairs.

[UKWhoDey]

If someone gets a legit explanation on that, we'd all love to see it.

[Roy Tucker]

My guess is that they ruled obstruction happened after Thames tagged the base. But I think a case could be made that Iglesias had to slow down because the pitcher was in the way.

[redsmetz]

This my thinking following the call being upheld. I can’t decide if Iglesias slowed down as he swerved.

[Roy Tucker]

Bell wasn’t happy.

I was about 50 ft from the play and I told my wife beats the crap out of me.

[NCReds]

Man I tell ya, I was expecting at least a decent outing by this reds lineup prior to the game and they have been a disappointment thus far. Gotta give the Mahle some support, c’mon guys.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice inning for Mahle.

[ochoa30]

Very nice start from Mahle with literally only one mistake and hes losing 1-0. Wake up offense and get the kid some runs already!!

[Tom Servo]

Wink Show! :jump:

tied up!

[Big Klu]

Very nice start from Mahle with literally only one mistake and hes losing 1-0. Wake up offense and get the kid some runs already!!

There ya go!

[RR1971]

My guess is that they ruled obstruction happened after Thames tagged the base. But I think a case could be made that Iglesias had to slow down because the pitcher was in the way.
I think for it to be called when a play is being made the umpire has to think he would have been out if not for the obstruction. I would think they agreed he got in the way but it didnt matter. I agree with the no call

[ochoa30]

Thank you Jesse!! Keep it going!

[North]

Winker whacks one.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Winker ties it up with an oppo HR.

[Tadasimha]

Winker Dinker Bomb!

[kaldaniels]

Weak Winker!

You could really sense Jesse was locked into Houser that AB.

[NCReds]

Atta boy Wink! Let’s get some more!!!!


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[Kc61]

Winker has good power to left field, that’s one area he’s improved this year.

Mahle should buy Jesse a gift. Mahle gets so little run support.

[Big Klu]

Votto with a lowly walk.

#notelite

[Redeye fly]

Maybe one of the most awkward looking walks in some time but we'll take the baserunner.

[Big Klu]

Winker has good power to left field, that’s one area he’s improved this year.

Mahle should buy Jesse a gift. Mahle gets so little run support.

You know, I was thinking. Kal Daniels had good opposite field power and was a poor defensive outfielder for the Reds back in the late 80's. He was also a good leadoff hitter. (Had much better speed than Winker, though.)

[NCReds]

Maybe one of the most awkward looking walks in some time but we'll take the baserunner.

I think he thought he was gonna get rung up on that one. Looked like he gave a sigh of relief once the ump didn’t call a strike

[BluegrassRedleg]

A. HUGH!!!

[Redeye fly]

Suarez!!!

[Kc61]

You know, I was thinking. Kal Daniels had good opposite field power and was a poor defensive outfielder for the Reds back in the late 80's. He was also a good leadoff hitter. (Had much better speed than Winker, though.)

Good thought, Kal was not a bad comp for Jesse. Both with the hit tool. I would say Kal had more power, but Jesse’s power has improved this season.

[ochoa30]

Hell yeah Suarez! Great AB!!

[NCReds]

9 pitch AB that ended with a HR. I hear ya geno!!!!!!

[TheBigLebowski]

Eugene!!!!

[Tadasimha]

Boom shakalaka boom boom boom

[Tom Servo]

So I think Suarez's slump is over

[Kc61]

Mahle wondering if he’s dreaming. Three runs.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Joey Votto - 277
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Eugenio Suarez - 112
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

[davereds24]

Great news on Farmer!

[NCReds]

That’s the kind of opposing team HR when you wish you weren’t playing in GABP.

[Tadasimha]

Um, maybe time to let Tyler sit down and let the pen get hin a victory?

[TheBigLebowski]

3 runs won’t win this game

[Tom Servo]

Um, maybe time to let Tyler sit down and let the pen get hin a victory?
Imagine the gnashing of teeth if Bell had pulled Mahle before this inning started lol

[mamell]

Regardless of the outcome of the game that's a nice 3 hitter by Mahle..HR not withstanding..

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3 runs won’t win this game

Probably not, but if the BP holds it's possible..

[Kc61]

Thom says Reds have had the best pen in the NL most of the year.

No, they’ve had the best bullpen ERA most of the year. Not the best bullpen.

[SomeCallMeTim]

I’ve got a bad feeling about this in an Obiwan sort of way...


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[JCM11]

This bullpen needs help.

[mamell]

Hernandez is done for a while at least.. Completely ineffective..

[ochoa30]

Nice job here by the Gas can Hernandez

[Tom Servo]

Hernandez seems to be either untouchable or a gas can whenever he appears

[Kc61]

The Reds simply do not have enough late inning relievers. It’s a significant weakness, really has been all season.

Swapping out Duke for Herget isn’t the answer to this problem.

[DocRed]

Jeezus Hernandez is terrible


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[North]

Good 'ol Thom...keeping spirits bright.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Capt. Juice bailed us out for first out.

[TheBigLebowski]

David Hernandez blows.

[BluegrassRedleg]

You know, Thom is actually right on this one. WTH was Ervin doing there?

[Rantly]

No Thom. I don’t think this is the first bump in the road all year by Hernandez’

[Kc61]

The Reds believed they found a market inefficiency. Sign veteran $2-3 million relievers. We’re seeing the pay off.

[BluegrassRedleg]

The Reds simply do not have enough late inning relievers. It’s a significant weakness, really has been all season.

Swapping out Duke for Herget isn’t the answer to this problem.

One of the big problems now is it's probably not fixable this season. The asking price on bullpen help is going to be sky-high this month. So many teams are in need.

[JCM11]

Get him outta there.

[mamell]

Nobody in the pen now with Hernandez throwing crap? I dunno..

[Kc61]

One of the big problems now is it's probably not fixable this season. The asking price on bullpen help is going to be sky-high this month. So many teams are in need.

I guess they could add one guy, but agree getting relievers at the deadline is expensive.

But they need to change their philosophy on this. Don’t skimp on the late inning guys. Rely on youth and an occasional vet for early and middle men.

[NCReds]

Ground ball please.

[TheBigLebowski]

“The Reds are riding Hernandez hard. REALLY REALLY HARD.”

[Roy Tucker]

Ugh.

I don’t get the long rope for Hernandez.

[757690]

I try not to think about what the Reds farm system would be like right now if they had traded Raisel, Hernandez and Hughes last deadline.

[Jomama]

Get him outta there.

There's nobody even warming up.

[JCM11]

Is there no one else available in the pen tonight? This is ridiculous.

[CWRed]

What is happening?

[The Operator]

Following on my phone from OBX

Why the hell is Hernandez being allowed to go this long

[mamell]

So Bell is going to just ceed this game to Milwaukee? That last pitch was not even close.. They just brought Hergert up so see what he can do this season in the big leagues.. They didn't bring him up to keep a seat warm I assume.

[Jomama]

Reds threw in the towel when they didn't retaliate against the Cubs for the bean balls.

[CTA513]

Duke should have taken Hernandez with him.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Imagine the gnashing of teeth if Bell had pulled Mahle before this inning started lol

Different scenarios. Disco was cruising on 70-ish pitches with a 4-0 lead; Mahle had given 'em about the best he could with a 3-1 lead and 102 pitches.

[Red Raindog]

Following on my phone from OBX

Why the hell is Hernandez being allowed to go this long

Because Bell fell asleep?


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[Kc61]

Also odd that Hernandez pitches so often close and late; while Jared Hughes does not.

It’s true Hernandez gets more Ks. But Hughes is a reliable ground ball reliever. With men on base, he could play a greater role.

[TheBigLebowski]

This is baseball malpractice.

[malcontent]

Is Bell purposely throwing this game?

[Tom Servo]

The Reds believed they found a market inefficiency. Sign veteran $2-3 million relievers. We’re seeing the pay off.
The pen did and has needed shoring up and but I don't get why this has been your big bugaboo. The problem is still the offense, a challenging 10 games stretch from the bullpen doesn't change that.

This is ugly, though. And I know sometimes it's a guy's inning one way or another, but this is practically giving away the game now by not yanking Hernandez.

[NCReds]

Bowman just threw a wild pitch in the bullpen. God help us

[Tom Servo]

Different scenarios. Disco was cruising on 70-ish pitches with a 4-0 lead; Mahle had given 'em about the best he could with a 3-1 lead and 102 pitches.
Come on. Imagine if Mahle had gotten yanked and then Hernandez came in and did this, you're telling me people would be saying "Well, Mahle was looking a bit tired..."

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damn this sucks lol

[TheBigLebowski]

Thommy apparently believes the rest of the pen came down with leprosy

[JCM11]

Boy there's been some really ugly innings from the pen lately. Bell has had Hernandez face about a dozen lefties tonight.

[Roy Tucker]

This is pretty ridiculous. I don’t get this at all.

[davereds24]

How do you pull a starter who has given up 2 runs and allow this to happen?

[BluegrassRedleg]

Come on. Imagine if Mahle had gotten yanked and then Hernandez came in and did this, you're telling me people would be saying "Well, Mahle was looking a bit tired..."

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damn this sucks lol

Yeah. Some would still nitpick. Just saying it was a different scenario. There wasn't much reason to yank Disco, who had at least an inning left in the tank; most would agree Mahle was about done tonight.

[CWRed]

I've never seen anything like this. Except for today's Cubs/Pirates game and Joe Maddon.

[ukredsfan]

I don't understand the occasional overmanaging and occasional indifference without any seeming rhyme or reason. This team has talent, but it's super frustrating.

[Griffey012]

The Reds believed they found a market inefficiency. Sign veteran $2-3 million relievers. We’re seeing the pay off.

And signing expensive relievers is a huge waste of money all the time, so yeah, give me those cheap guys.

[ochoa30]

Atleast I lost power so I dont have to watch this garbage performance.

[Tadasimha]

Come on. Imagine if Mahle had gotten yanked and then Hernandez came in and did this, you're telling me people would be saying "Well, Mahle was looking a bit tired..."

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damn this sucks lol

Absolutely. 90+ pitches through six - would not have had an issue with him being pulled, no matter who came in or what happened

[The Operator]

Gaurantee you there are approximately zero tough questions asked of David Bell after this one.


I can see it now. "Well I guess David didn't have his best stuff tonight?" And that's about it

[Griffey012]

This is embarrassing by Bell, no excuse whatsoever.

[malcontent]

I want Bell's scalp after this.

[ukredsfan]

Gaurantee you there are approximately zero tough questions asked of David Bell after this one.


I can see it now. "Well I guess David didn't have his best stuff tonight?" And that's about it
Does David didn't have his best stuff tonight refer to Hernandez or Bell?

[Kc61]

And signing expensive relievers is a huge waste of money all the time, so yeah, give me those cheap guys.

You’re seeing the result right now. Enjoy.

[TheBigLebowski]

I don’t know, but I’d believe it if you told me Bell had money on the Reds losing this one.

[North]

Chicken Little was right.

[The Operator]

Does David didn't have his best stuff tonight refer to Hernandez or Bell?

Yes

[Rolando]

Well David Bell manage the horrible game tonight this is all on him

[BluegrassRedleg]

It's odd. I've been as vocal a Bell detractor as we have here, but I had no issue with tonight's move. Guess it's eye of the beholder sometimes.

[The Operator]

You’re seeing the result right now. Enjoy.

The Reds can't afford to load a pen with expensive guys.


They need to be able to develop late inning relievers. Aside from Garrett and to an extent Bob Steve they've whiffed big time.

[757690]

You’re seeing the result right now. Enjoy.

Signing the cheap relievers was a smart move, last year. They needed to trade them at the deadline last year, and sign new ones for this year.

Depending on middle relievers to be good two seasons in a row is the cause of this.

[Kc61]

It's odd. I've been as vocal a Bell detractor as we have here, but I had no issue with tonight's move. Guess it's eye of the beholder sometimes.

The overall question is why the Reds depend so heavily on David Hernandez in high leverage situations.

[Tom Servo]

I think the simplest explanation is that this was a case where going in it was just going be Hernandez's inning 'no matter what'. Now why Bell couldn't start getting someone hot around the time of the Grandal AB, that I do not understand. But I feel like blaming Bell alone kind of lets Hernandez off the hook for being ridiculously bad.

[Rolando]

You’re seeing the result right now. Enjoy.

Aren't you the one who was praising Hernandez constantly early in the season

[Roy Tucker]

I can understand leaving Hernandez in if this was a 12-0 beating. But this was a very winnable game and Bell apparently went to sleep. Just don’t get it.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Let's start this inning with an absolutely hapless AB by Iglesias. #sigh

[Tom Servo]

The overall question is why the Reds depend so heavily on David Hernandez in high leverage situations.
He had a good season last year, and going into tonight he had a 2.8 BB/9 and a 2.36 FIP. Is he bad because of his ERA? Because when I point to bullpen ERA I get told that ERA for relievers doesn't matter.

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Anyway, poor Mahle. Hernandez owes him a few dinners for that stinker.

[ukredsfan]

I'm not sure it's tonight's game specifically, but more just a buildup of frustration from decisions I don't understand all season. A team losing because they're not very good is one thing, but I feel like, in part at least, this team just needs someone to get out of their way and let them play ball.

[Rolando]

I think the simplest explanation is that this was a case where going in it was just going be Hernandez's inning 'no matter what'. Now why Bell couldn't start getting someone hot around the time of the Grandal AB, that I do not understand. But I feel like blaming Bell alone kind of lets Hernandez off the hook for being ridiculously bad.

The problem I have with bell is he has fell in love with Hernandez All Season a treated like here is some shutdown reliever

[davereds24]

All a reporter has to ask Bell is "Was David Hernandez your best option outside of Iglesias to face Yelich?"

[malcontent]

Iglesias making Peraza look like a disciplined hitter.

[Rolando]

Iglesias making Peraza look like a disciplined hitter.

I think reality is setting for Jose Iglesias

[Griffey012]

You’re seeing the result right now. Enjoy.

I am seeing the result of terrible managing. David Hernandez has been an absolute steal since they signed him.

[Falls City Beer]

I don’t think bullpens are really even “plannable” if that makes sense. You either get 7-9 guys in some majority “up” years or you get a majority in “down” years. It really just seems like a roll of the dice. But offense could have been better prepared for.

[Kc61]

Aren't you the one who was praising Hernandez constantly early in the season

I praise every Red when he deserves it. But as the season wears on you have to watch and adjust.

Hernandez has worn down, he hasn’t been consistent, and they still use him like he’s Mike Jackson setting up Jeff Brantley.

They need more late inning guys, period, and need to use some others in that spot.

[Rolando]

I am seeing the result of terrible managing. David Hernandez has been an absolute steal since they signed him.

Well Hernandez stole the win tonight LOL

[Falls City Beer]

I am seeing the result of terrible managing. David Hernandez has been an absolute steal since they signed him.


Idk. He hasn’t been very good this year at all. Maybe some of it is managing but that’s a stretch.

[Rolando]

I praise every Red when he deserves it. But as the season wears on you have to watch and adjust.

Hernandez has worn down, he hasn’t been consistent, and they still use him like he’s Mike Jackson setting up Jeff Brantley.

They need more late inning guys, period, and need to use some others in that spot.

I totally agree with you there the front office is not a horrible job building a bullpen

[Griffey012]

I think the simplest explanation is that this was a case where going in it was just going be Hernandez's inning 'no matter what'. Now why Bell couldn't start getting someone hot around the time of the Grandal AB, that I do not understand. But I feel like blaming Bell alone kind of lets Hernandez off the hook for being ridiculously bad.

Hernandez didn't have it and it was quickly obvious, and that is on him. Bell is the reason it really escalated and got out of hand. Two immediate hits should get someone moving quick in the bullpen.

[ukredsfan]

Signing the cheap relievers was a smart move, last year. They needed to trade them at the deadline last year, and sign new ones for this year.

Depending on middle relievers to be good two seasons in a row is the cause of this.

They sign 'undervalued' relievers and once they have a little success they promptly fall in love and overvalue those same relievers.

[Kc61]

I am seeing the result of terrible managing. David Hernandez has been an absolute steal since they signed him.

Maybe so, but this is today, the Reds are now trying to contend, and they use DH way too much in high leverage spots.

[malcontent]

Hernandez didn't have it an it was quickly obvious, and that is on him. Bell is the reasons it really escalated and got out of hand. Two immediate hits should get someone moving quick in the bullpen.
I'm furious that he didn't have anyone else ready. Just no friggin excuse, I don't care what he says post-game.

Firing offense, or he should at least be sent down like a player to prove that he can finally manage a team to a .500 record.

[Rolando]

They sign 'undervalued' relievers and once they have a little success they promptly fall in love and overvalue those same relievers.

you're right I think the problem is the front office is so behind the times I know you don't understand how to be proactive

[Griffey012]

Idk. He hasn’t been very good this year at all. Maybe some of it is managing but that’s a stretch.

He's been pretty effective this year. His problem is that when he doesn't have it, he really doesn't have it. He's had two stretches of struggles that are surrounded by pretty much lights out pitching. He struggled against the Cubs, yet Bell put him in this game with the assumption all was well.

[Tom Servo]

Hernandez didn't have it and it was quickly obvious, and that is on him. Bell is the reason it really escalated and got out of hand. Two immediate hits should get someone moving quick in the bullpen.
Isn't that then overusing the bullpen? Isn't yanking a guy with a K/9 over 11.0 because of two hits "over-managing"?

I don't know man I'm disgusted and disheartened with that performance, but to me the bullpen performance of late is not malpractice by Bell or by the front office but just some natural regression. They were likely not going to remain THAT good. That's why it sucks the offense wasted so many zeroes that they had put up this year.

[Kc61]

If you want to blame Bell, you get support watching Bowman pitch this inning.

He’s fresher and he’s throwing great.

Why not use him more? You have to adjust as the season goes along.

[WVRedsFan]

I guess the joy of yesterday was too much for Bell to take. So many moves and then leaves Hernandez in to give the game away. Yes, we need better pitching from relievers, but letting Hernandez gives up all that shows the inexperience he has. Say what you want, but that was almost criminal.

[Rolando]

Maybe so, but this is today, the Reds are now trying to contend, and they use DH way too much in high leverage spots.

I agree honestly Bell has done a lot of things with the bow pain that Dusty did and got criticized for. He puts people in rolls and those people can't pitch ever game. While I'm at it how do you go into a big series like this with one lefty. To your credit KC you've mentioned in the game Fred 2 hours before the game started

[Griffey012]

Maybe so, but this is today, the Reds are now trying to contend, and they use DH way too much in high leverage spots.

I agree, but the solution to the problem isn't throwing big $$$ at volatile relief arms. They need to get some big arms in the mid minors and convert them to relief. Like we have seen a ton of clubs do across the league. Everyone doesn't have to start 120 games in the minors before they are big league ready, but that seems to be the Reds approach.

[Kc61]

Bell likely didn’t want to use Iglesias or Garrett tonight.

He allowed Mahle to throw 102 pitches. He left Hernandez in too long.

They needed a better plan for the late innings.

[Griffey012]

Isn't that then overusing the bullpen? Isn't yanking a guy with a K/9 over 11.0 because of two hits "over-managing"?

I don't know man I'm disgusted and disheartened with that performance, but to me the bullpen performance of late is not malpractice by Bell or by the front office but just some natural regression. They were likely not going to remain THAT good. That's why it sucks the offense wasted so many zeroes that they had put up this year.

I was saying that two immediate hits that should get a guy up and getting loose. So if Hernandez continues to struggle against the next couple hitters you are ready to make a move.

Especially when the guy you put in gave up runs in his last two appearances.

[Falls City Beer]

Bell’s just going to have to get comfortable using the 6-7 guys out of the pen. Results be damned at this point.

[JCM11]

Isn't that then overusing the bullpen? Isn't yanking a guy with a K/9 over 11.0 because of two hits "over-managing"?

In a one run game in the 7th inning against a division rival you're tying to catch in the standings? No it's not over managing.

[malcontent]

Bell likely didn’t want to use Iglesias or Garrett tonight.
8 - 2 = 6

[North]

We got 6 outs left. Go get'em! :duel:

[Rolando]

Bell’s just going to have to get comfortable using the 6-7 guys out of the pen. Results be damned at this point.

Exactly right some of these guys fight. Moth balls on her arm because they never pitch

[WVRedsFan]

I was saying that two immediate hits that should get a guy up and getting loose. So if Hernandez continues to struggle against the next couple hitters you are ready to make a move.

Basically what I was trying to say, but you did it better. It's has been a bad day, and I'm frustrated.

[Kc61]

I agree, but the solution to the problem isn't throwing big $$$ at volatile relief arms. They need to get some big arms in the mid minors and convert them to relief. Like we have seen a ton of clubs do across the league. Everyone doesn't have to start 120 games in the minors before they are big league ready, but that seems to be the Reds approach.

The solution is to have 4 guys capable of good late inning relief. That might require spending on 2 or 3. Add in a young guy like Garrett and you have a late inning pen.

Nobody is saying spend big on eight relievers. But if you boycott the high end relief market you lose out. You get what you pay for.

[Kingspoint]

I don't understand the logic of replacing a hitter with one that has a lower OBP when down three runs.

[Tom Servo]

In a one run game in the 7th inning against a division rival you're tying to catch in the standings? No it's not over managing.
Personally, I'd have used Hughes to try and get the ground ball probably before the Grandal AB and most certainly after. It's not so much this individual decision I'm defending as much as I'm mostly pointing out that Bell pretty much can't win here. Has ANYBODY in the pen been pitching especially great of late? It's a rough patch for them.

[NatiRedGals]

Stephenson never pitches and he's being wasted when hes on hes legit closing stuff. Id rather him blow a game then a gased hernandez

[Big Klu]

Votto with just a single, and no RBI.

#notelite

[WVRedsFan]

Geno!!!!

[NatiRedGals]

Dong shot surarez 6-5

[BluegrassRedleg]

A. Hugh no. 2!!!!

[JCM11]

Geno is back!

Bell leaving DH in to give up all those runs looks even worse now.

[Tom Servo]

Geno!! :jump:

Hader untouchable no more!

[50YrRedsFan]

What the heck happened? Left about 45 minutes ago with a 3-1 lead. Now down 6-3. Another blown lead. Jeesh....this team is just incredibly bad. If it's not the atrocious hitting, then the pitching takes a dump.

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Joey Votto - 277
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
20. Reggie Sanders - 125
21. Ernie Lombardi - 120
22. Sean Casey - 118
23. Eugenio Suarez - 113
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

[JCM11]

Most LF don't make that play.

[NCReds]

Great to see someone hit a bomb off of hader. He’s usually lights out

[NatiRedGals]

Let's lose by 1 again!

[Rolando]

Come on scooter start hitting

[50YrRedsFan]

Suarez with another bomb, but Reds still down 1 with 3 outs to go.

[Kc61]

Come on scooter start hitting

That should have been a hit, he used the whole field, can’t complain too much about that one.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Most LF don't make that play.

Shaded against a LH batter on a ball like that, you won't see many better catches out there.

[WVRedsFan]

Let's lose by 1 again!

Remember that inexperienced manager we used to have all those one-run losses? Here we are again.

[Kc61]

This one will come down to Puig v Hader.

Maybe.

[Rolando]

That should have been a hit, he used the whole field, can’t complain too much about that one. you're right they just do them to get a big head they don't have time for him to shake the rust off

[NatiRedGals]

Remember that inexperienced manager we used to have all those one-run losses? Here we are again.
Ugh no more no more

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Ugh Now he uses Stephenson

[malcontent]

This one will come down to Puig v Hader.

Maybe.
Bell used Peraza already, so he may have no choice but to use Puig.

[Griffey012]

The solution is to have 4 guys capable of good late inning relief. That might require spending on 2 or 3. Add in a young guy like Garrett and you have a late inning pen.

Nobody is saying spend big on eight relievers. But if you boycott the high end relief market you lose out. You get what you pay for.

Give me recent examples of high end relievers that have been worth pricey FA contracts and I can probably give you 3 more guys for each that were total wastes of money. The Reds don't have the luxury of swinging and missing on $12M relievers.

[North]

DP time.

Edit:. Rats...

[BluegrassRedleg]

Welp. So much for that.

[NatiRedGals]

Ha ha ha The Joker

[50YrRedsFan]

There goes the 1 run loss.

[Wonderful Monds]

Give me recent examples of high end relievers that have been worth pricey FA contracts and I can probably give you 3 more guys for each that were total wastes of money. The Reds don't have the luxury of swinging and missing on $12M relievers.

I would have definitely given Kimbrel the contract the Cubs did.

[JCM11]

I can't believe that went out. Memo to Bob Steve if you're going to throw Yelich a high fastball on 0-2 miss about a foot out of the zone.

[BluegrassRedleg]

We can't beat anyone in this division but the Cubs.

[Griffey012]

I have no idea how Yelich just hit that ball out.

[WVRedsFan]

Game. They got the mound so messed up, nobody can pitch.

[Rolando]

Ha ha ha The Joker

Stephenson did a pretty awful job too so I guess everybody's equal

[Tom Servo]

Stephenson never pitches and he's being wasted when hes on hes legit closing stuff. Id rather him blow a game then a gased hernandez
hmmm

[Griffey012]

I can't believe that went out. Memo to Bob Steve if you're going to throw Yelich a high fastball on 0-2 miss about a foot out of the zone.

That pitch was pretty close to a foot out of the zone.

[NCReds]

GABP has given Milwaukee 2 runs tonight[emoji849]

[Rolando]

I have no idea how Yelich just hit that ball out.

It was a bad 0-2 pitch

[JCM11]

The bullpen is just getting hammered lately.

[BluegrassRedleg]

On a lighter note, Cubs fans descended upon Pittsburgh tonight to get handed a 16-5 ass-whipping.

[NatiRedGals]

hmmm

Doesn't change anything he didn't blow the game ;)

[50YrRedsFan]

It's time for some new (to the Reds) players. Offensive and pitching.

[Big Klu]

And now, an E1.

[malcontent]

This is what happens when you're facing the Brewers, and you've got only one LHP.

[BluegrassRedleg]

On a lighter note, Cubs fans descended upon Pittsburgh tonight to get handed a 16-5 ass-whipping.

Make it 18-5 on Josh Bell's 3rd HR of the night.

[Griffey012]

It was a bad 0-2 pitch

That pitch is hit for a home run probably .001% of the time. Casali called for an up and out fastball, Stephenson located it way up and out of the zone, somehow Yelich still hit it out.

[Kc61]

Wonder if Stephenson is fully healthy. Or if he got enough rehab time. Hasn’t been too good lately.

[NCReds]

Time for a walk-off slam

[Rolando]

That pitch is hit for a home run probably .001% of the time. Casali called for an up and out fastball, Stephenson located it way up and out of the zone, somehow Yelich still hit it out.

Oh well I'm sure you're right Yelich is a great hitter

[mhs95_06]

This is what happens when you're facing the Brewers, and you've got only one LHP.

Yes, so why was this the day they let Duke go? Was he not ready to pitch? Doesn't Hughes historically get lefties out very well for a righty? Why haven't we seen him much over the last 4 days?

[Tom Servo]

Yes, so why was this the day they let Duke go? Was he not ready to pitch? Doesn't Hughes historically get lefties out very well for a righty? Why haven't we seen him much over the last 4 days?
We saw him Saturday, remember? Didn't go great.

[Rolando]

We saw him Saturday, remember? Didn't go great.
True but wasn't it another one of Hernandez messes he was trying to clean up?

[mhs95_06]

We saw him Saturday, remember? Didn't go great.

He's more effective with the sinker when he pitches more.

[WVRedsFan]

Bullpen tonight 3 IP, 6H, 5ER, 4BB, 3SO. Have mercy.

[Kc61]

Yes, so why was this the day they let Duke go? Was he not ready to pitch? Doesn't Hughes historically get lefties out very well for a righty? Why haven't we seen him much over the last 4 days?

Bell’s staff doesn’t see Hughes as a late inning reliever. He tends to be used for longer stints in the middle innings.

[Tom Servo]

He's more effective with the sinker when he pitches more.
I'd have used him tonight, just seems hard to overlook that particular result.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Bullpen tonight 3 IP, 6H, 5ER, 4BB, 3SO. Have mercy.

Good lord...

[mhs95_06]

And Bell is messing up trying to use Hughes just against righties.

[BluegrassRedleg]

Takes a special level of suck to allow 10 baserunners in 3 innings.

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Philly Phil gets the tying run to the plate.

"So you're saying there's a chance???"

[Tom Servo]

I'd put Farmer in for Peraza here

[BluegrassRedleg]

The baseball gods owe us a cheapy HR.

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Send up a feeb to hit there, you get a feebish grounder.

[JCM11]

Well if Bell hadn't taken a nap in the 7th we might have won this game.

[Tom Servo]

I'd put Farmer in for Peraza here
Didn't like the call to let Peraza hit there at all, Farmer's got more pop. If you're worried about "what about extra innings", you deal with that after you've tied the game.

Anyway that one sucked. Bullpen has been a hinderance going back a little over a week now to that series in Milwaukee. Don't need them to be amazing but they can't be this bad at such a critical time right before the break.

[mhs95_06]

Going to be very difficult for the Reds to win either the Milw or Clev series!

[North]

Tomorrow, tomorrow, there's always tomorrow, it's only a day away. :bang:

[Rolando]

Thanks David Bell for doing the absolute worst job managing you could have done tonight

[WVRedsFan]

You can bet Jim or Pic, whoever "interviews" Bell, will avoid that 7th inning question.

[malcontent]

I'd put Farmer in for Peraza here
Bell opts for the Human White Flag instead.

[Wheelhouse]

Well, I've been saying for a while now, Hernandez is a 50 appearance pitcher. No more. Bell has over used him

[Rolando]

Didn't like the call to let Peraza hit there at all, Farmer's got more pop. If you're worried about "what about extra innings", you deal with that after you've tied the game.

Anyway that one sucked. Bullpen has been a hinderance going back a little over a week now to that series in Milwaukee. Don't need them to be amazing but they can't be this bad at such a critical time right before the break.

One of the problems is David Bell ever managed to the eighth inning and pinch hit for Winker. The other thing I would have done I wouldn't saved Puig to be the tying run