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NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 01:48 PM
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Ironman92
07-19-2019, 02:17 PM
Without Senzel...whew itís rough up top

1. Winker
2. Votto
3. Suarez

Those are literally 3 of the worst baserunners in MLB

Winker and Votto arenít getting on base anywhere near what they usually do and when they do they have awful
Baserunning instincts to make their slow feet even more of an issue. Votto might be the worst at reading if a ball is going to drop or not.

No real fix with whatís available.....barring a 3 run HR or 4 hits in an inning itís impossible to score multiple runs it seems. Batting the 5th string catcher 9th gives them 4 super slow guys in a row

Easy to see why they are the worst baserunning team in MLB. Frustrating to watch.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 02:22 PM
Without Senzel...whew it’s rough up top

1. Winker
2. Votto
3. Suarez

Those are literally 3 of the worst baserunners in MLB

Winker and Votto aren’t getting on base anywhere near what they usually do and when they do they have awful
Baserunning instincts to make their slow feet even more of an issue. Votto might be the worst at reading if a ball is going to drop or not.

No real fix with what’s available.....barring a 3 run HR or 4 hits in an inning it’s impossible to score multiple runs it seems. Batting the 5th string catcher 9th gives them 4 super slow guys in a row

Easy to see why they are the worst baserunning team in MLB. Frustrating to watch.

I agree Joey votto's baserunning in the third inning last night with a joke

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 02:40 PM
Pitcher bats 8th again...

If it's such a good idea, then "pitcher bats 7th" should be an even better idea.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 02:49 PM
Pitcher bats 8th again...

If it's such a good idea, then "pitcher bats 7th" should be an even better idea.

That's your number one pet peeve isn't it LOL

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 03:07 PM
That's your number one pet peeve isn't it LOL

Yes it is. I can't tolerate it.

Ironman92
07-19-2019, 03:16 PM
Pitcher bats 8th again...

If it's such a good idea, then "pitcher bats 7th" should be an even better idea.

Itís so dumb Iíve learned to ignore it.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 03:17 PM
Yes it is. I can't tolerate it.

I'm not Disagreeing it makes no sense. I was just busy your chops

Ironman92
07-19-2019, 03:27 PM
I agree Joey votto's baserunning in the third inning last night with a joke

Just in general. His jumps on contact show that he doesnít know where the infielders and outfielders are located.

Last night when Suarez hit that ball to the warning track...it was understandable that he wasnít sure at first it was going to be caught but replay showed Votto about 8 feet off 2nd and standing up looking? When is that ever the play? He wasnít in position to break quickly and score on a missed ball near the CF wall....he drifted some towards SS and then ball caught went back towards 2nd. That baserunning play wasnít textbook obvious/easy but it certainly required quick baseball running movements from a ready position....and he was standing with hands on his hips.

I understand his skills are declining and I know he prepares his ass off....so Iím ok with his slugging % being in the bottom 14% of MLB. But itís bothersome to me to watch someone who values getting on base more than any player Iíve ever seen ....but doesnít do hardly anything necessary to greater his potential of scoring once he gets on base.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 03:35 PM
Just in general. His jumps on contact show that he doesn’t know where the infielders and outfielders are located.

Last night when Suarez hit that ball to the warning track...it was understandable that he wasn’t sure at first it was going to be caught but replay showed Votto about 8 feet off 2nd and standing up looking? When is that ever the play? He wasn’t in position to break quickly and score on a missed ball near the CF wall....he drifted some towards SS and then ball caught went back towards 2nd. That baserunning play wasn’t textbook obvious/easy but it certainly required quick baseball running movements from a ready position....and he was standing with hands on his hips.

I understand his skills are declining and I know he prepares his ass off....so I’m ok with his slugging % being in the bottom 14% of MLB. But it’s bothersome to me to watch someone who values getting on base more than any player I’ve ever seen ....but doesn’t do hardly anything necessary to greater his potential of scoring once he gets on base.

you're preaching to the choir here that was exactly what I was talking about and of course Yasiel gets a double the next the batter and votto couldn't score from 2nd it was unreal

Wonderful Monds
07-19-2019, 05:03 PM
Pitcher bats 8th again...

If it's such a good idea, then "pitcher bats 7th" should be an even better idea.


That's your number one pet peeve isn't it LOL

It’s really not a bad idea when you have guys with power like Senzel or Winker leading off, the 9th place hitter is likely going to get on base more often than the pitcher, and it’s not like protecting Jose Iglesias really matters.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 05:05 PM
It’s really not a bad idea when you have guys with power like Senzel or Winker leading off, the 9th place hitter is likely going to get on base more often than the pitcher, and it’s not like protecting Jose Iglesias really matters.
Hopefully Jesse starts hitting the ball in the air soon cuz right now he's the king of the ground out

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 05:14 PM
It’s really not a bad idea when you have guys with power like Senzel or Winker leading off, the 9th place hitter is likely going to get on base more often than the pitcher, and it’s not like protecting Jose Iglesias really matters.

It's not about protecting Jose Iglesias. It's about short-circuiting any potential rally that the lower half of the order starts because the worst hitter in the lineup came to the plate too soon.

Batting your worst hitter anywhere but 9th is a terrible idea -- especially in the NL, where there is a huge chasm between the worst hitter and the second-worst hitter.

KronoRed
07-19-2019, 05:17 PM
Bat the pitcher lead off, it's really about making sure he can be double switched out, double switch fever.

Ironman92
07-19-2019, 05:47 PM
Itís really not a bad idea when you have guys with power like Senzel or Winker leading off, the 9th place hitter is likely going to get on base more often than the pitcher, and itís not like protecting Jose Iglesias really matters.

Why? He hits like everyone else on this team

Ironman92
07-19-2019, 05:47 PM
Hopefully Jesse starts hitting the ball in the air soon cuz right now he's the king of the ground out

Utilizes his wheelz

Rolando
07-19-2019, 05:59 PM
Utilizes his wheelz

I think he has a flat tire LOL

Kc61
07-19-2019, 06:57 PM
Hopefully Jesse starts hitting the ball in the air soon cuz right now he's the king of the ground out

51% ground ball rate. 41% pull rate. Pulls grounders too often. But he can re-adjust, the league has simply caught up with his tendencies, like in a sophomore slump.

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 06:59 PM
51% ground ball rate. 41% pull rate. Pulls grounders too often. But he can re-adjust, the league has simply caught up with his tendencies, like in a sophomore slump.

Made for the double play.

RiverfrontRed
07-19-2019, 06:59 PM
Pitcher bats 8th again...

If it's such a good idea, then "pitcher bats 7th" should be an even better idea.

I’d just bat him leadoff, that way he’s out of the way quicker. Make sense?

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 07:05 PM
Tonight a drinking game would be fun.
Everytime Thom says 'How bout that", we take a shot of Woodford Reserve.
or better yet, when he says "How bout that", he gets punched in the face.
:laugh:

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:15 PM
Mahle Ks the first two batters.

JCM11
07-19-2019, 07:25 PM
Votto's not choking up! and he gets a hit

Did the announcers even notice he wasn't choking up?

Fil3232
07-19-2019, 07:27 PM
Stunned to see Votto not choking up at all with two strikes

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:27 PM
and he singles

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 07:27 PM
Votto manages just a single, but can't deliver the RBI.

#yawn

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 07:28 PM
I wonder if Bell has considered moving Votto down in the lineup. Among regular players, his obp is the highest on the team, but if he gets on base, he is a huge disability and is a station to station runner.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 07:30 PM
Definitely a strike to Suarez. Maybe he was barking about a previous pitch.

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 07:32 PM
Not sure what Geno felt he had a right to be salty about. That was right down the plate.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 07:32 PM
Definitely a strike to Suarez. Maybe he was barking about a previous pitch.

I thought he was going to get tossed. The fur on the back of the umpire's neck was starting to stand up.

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:33 PM
Near identical first innings for Mahle and Wainwright.

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 07:36 PM
How do you get ejected about a good pitch after you have time to go look at it on video?

Jesus.

JCM11
07-19-2019, 07:36 PM
Well it looks like the recent skid to drop out of the playoff race has gotten to the team.

757690
07-19-2019, 07:36 PM
David Bell sets two records with that ejection

Most by a rookie manager ever

Most by a Reds manager ever

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 07:36 PM
Two idiots get to go watch the rest of the game. One of them hurts the Redsí chances; the other one probably helps.


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Fil3232
07-19-2019, 07:37 PM
Suarez was upset about the outside strike earlier in the at bat

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:37 PM
Of all pitches to get upset about enough to get ejected...

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 07:37 PM
WTH. Suarez gets himself tossed over what"
Votto did it the other night.
Lack of leadership from your best players may be a problem.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 07:38 PM
Suarez does get the heave-ho, along with Bell.

Jose Peraza now at 3B. I believe this is his first appearance at 3B this season.

Fil3232
07-19-2019, 07:38 PM
Ump needs to be better. Nobody comes to watch him.

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:39 PM
With Suarez out, it's time for Lavarnway to become the team's home run leader all in one game tonight.

One 67 inning game.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 07:40 PM
First time I can ever remember Suarez being ejected.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 07:40 PM
Oh, this game is going down the toilet fast. Now without Suarez, and Lavarnway catching, and other guys struggling, not much offensive potential.

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 07:41 PM
Wong bloops one in. You can see the wheels falling off rhe wagon in slow mo here. Cmon Reds lets go! Get it together boys.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 07:43 PM
I’m guessing Bell watched the video of Aaron Boone getting tossed last night.

Probably will be a big weekend for managerial ejections.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 07:43 PM
6-4-yessiree-3!

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 07:45 PM
Not sure what Geno felt he had a right to be salty about. That was right down the plate.

He was upset over the first pitch being called strike.
Apparently he was steaming the entire at bat.
Should have be tossed on way back to the dugout. Fortunately not.
Then made sure he gets tossed by continuing his mouthing on the way out for defense.
This team doesn't have much positive leadership.

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:47 PM
Scooter looked pretty bad there.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 07:47 PM
Scooter needs to get going. Already 11 K's in only 38 ab.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 07:48 PM
Mahle’s thrown pretty well so far tonight.

Wainwright always tough.

One out in the second, Ervin up, C’mon Phillip.

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 07:49 PM
First time I can ever remember Suarez being ejected.

That had the look of someone who may have woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so to speak. I wonder if something else is going on to set him off that quickly, that easily.


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Rolando
07-19-2019, 07:51 PM
That had the look of someone who may have woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so to speak. I wonder if something else is going on to set him off that quickly, that easily.


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Plus the Empire had pretty thin skin there plus this guy has never been a good umpire anyway

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 07:54 PM
Plus the Empire had pretty thin skin there plus this guy has never been a good umpire anyway

I thought the Empire(Umpire) took a lot from Geno after the K. But when a player comes out of the dugout the next inning, an Ump has no choice.
True, Torres isn't a very good Ump.

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That had the look of someone who may have woke up on the wrong side of the bed, so to speak. I wonder if something else is going on to set him off that quickly, that easily.


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He had better get his act together with that bobblehead giveaway tomorrow night.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 07:56 PM
I thought the Empire(Umpire) took a lot from Geno after the K. But when a player comes out of the dugout the next inning, an Ump has no choice.
True, Torres isn't a very good Ump.

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He had better get his act together with that bobblehead giveaway tomorrow night.

Sorry about typing the wrong word but you're you're right Torres it a choice Le chose the one that stroke his ego

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 07:57 PM
Is there a game going on? I can't tell from listening to the PBP.

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 07:58 PM
Reds Media Relations
@RedsPR

Fifteen Reds manager/players have been ejected this season, the most in the Major Leagues.

so, we got that going for us.

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 07:59 PM
Is there a game going on? I can't tell from listening to the PBP.

Inside jokes about Marty taking pictures of an unwitting Jim Day donít tickle your fancy? [emoji14]


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bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:00 PM
Sorry about typing the wrong word but you're you're right Torres it a choice Le chose the one that stroke his ego
Are you drinking or have a broken finger or something?:)

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:00 PM
That might have been the first SUITA of the game, unless I missed an earlier one.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:00 PM
Inside jokes about Marty taking pictures of an unwitting Jim Day don’t tickle your fancy? [emoji14]


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Not in the least.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:02 PM
Are you drinking or have a broken finger or something?:)
Typing too fast lol

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:03 PM
nm

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:03 PM
Not in the least. ��

Mahle did for you buddy lol

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:04 PM
Lavarnway for MVP

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 08:04 PM
Lavarnway!!

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:04 PM
Lavernway !!

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 08:04 PM
Really sweet stroke by Mahle there. Hell yes

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 08:04 PM
Lavernandshirley with an RBI double!


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Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:04 PM
Reds need more guys from Yale.

Nice Reds debut for Lavarnway.

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 08:05 PM
What a stroke by RL! And the hustle by Mahle 1st to home! Wow! Lets go!!!!

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:07 PM
Mahle did for you buddy lol

Or, we could have Lavarnway 7th, with J.Iggy 8th.

Strikes Out Looking
07-19-2019, 08:07 PM
Lavernway was a fairly high ranked prospect in the Red Sox organization when he came up. He never was able to stick in the majors and has bounced around for a bit, but he's probably at least as good as Graterol.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:07 PM
Winker grounds to the right side constantly, so there, when needed, he lines to left.

Tough game, baseball.

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 08:13 PM
Votto delivers! 2-0 Redlegs

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:13 PM
Votto tired of not having RBI

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:13 PM
Great at bat by Votto.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:13 PM
Votto with a double (no word yet on whether it's a "real" double). Only able to muster 1 RBI.

#mediocre

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:14 PM
Votto hustle.

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 08:14 PM
Peraza delivers, Votto reads it well, 3-0 Redlegs!

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:15 PM
Votto with a double (no word yet on whether it's a "real" double). Only able to muster 1 RBI.

#mediocre

keep it rolling Jose

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keep it rolling Jose

sorry I must be behind LOL

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 08:16 PM
Puig bangs one off the wall, this is fun! 4-0 Redlegs

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 08:16 PM
Nice little inning in the works without the longball, something of a rarity for our Redlegs.


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50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:16 PM
I wonder if Votto is using a lighter bat, hence the no choking up.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:18 PM
Puig caught stealing by 100 feet, although actually almost got in. Inning over.

stein1214
07-19-2019, 08:19 PM
4-0 Reds after 3....they’ve got us right where they want us.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:19 PM
I wonder if Votto is using a lighter bat, hence the no choking up.

Interesting thought.

BCubb2003
07-19-2019, 08:20 PM
Iím liking the Lavarnway Era so far.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:21 PM
Interesting thought.

Great inning by the Reds. Scooter gennett is losing more money by the day though

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:22 PM
Just have someone warmed up for the 5th inning.
That's when Mahle usually breaks down.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:23 PM
Great inning by the Reds. Scooter gennett is losing more money by the day though

He looks like he is still in Spring Training mode.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:23 PM
Great inning by the Reds. Scooter gennett is losing more money by the day though

He hit it hard though.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:24 PM
He looks like he is still in Spring Training mode.

just as long as he's not in the Reds spring training next year I'm fine LOL and of course

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:24 PM
I hate to agree with Thom’s exasperation, but that wasn’t a good walk for Mahle.

Get the sizeable lead, can’t nibble that much.

Now two men on, no outs with a single.

stein1214
07-19-2019, 08:26 PM
just as long as he's not in the Reds spring training next year I'm fine LOL and of course

Yeah because he’s really been horrible for this team the last couple years.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:26 PM
Thom is personally offended when Reds pitchers walk opposing batters, yet is also personally offended when Reds batters take walks.

A bizarre paradox...

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:27 PM
O'Neil is one strong man.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:27 PM
6-4-yessiree-3!

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:27 PM
Yeah because he’s really been horrible for this team the last couple years.

Well, he didn’t quite win the batting title last season. Like somebody once asked the silver medalist, great but who won the gold?

Scooter’s still in spring training, I expect him to get going pretty soon.

Mahle!

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:28 PM
Goldschmidt strikes out 4 times last night.
Comes back tonight and gets two of the cheapest hits I've seen. Lucky man.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:29 PM
Well, he didn’t quite win the batting title last season. Like somebody once asked, great but who won the gold?

Scooter’s still in spring training, I expect him to get going pretty soon.

All I'm saying is I hope the rest don't invest in long-term contract in them

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:30 PM
When the Reds infield is pulled that far around to the right side, why wouldn't the Cardinals runner at 3rd take a bigger lead? He should be able to get as far down the line as Peraza is from the bag, which would put him in a position to potentially steal home.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:32 PM
All I'm saying is I hope the rest don't invest in long-term contract in them

Don’t disagree, I don’t see an LTC for Scooter at this stage.

Let’s get some more runs, guys.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:34 PM
Great hit by Mahle to beat the bunt defense!

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:34 PM
Babe Mahle

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 08:35 PM
Mahle! Oh what a night!

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:35 PM
Freddy Benavides for manager

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 08:35 PM
Tyler is 2 for 2 thanks to Benavides according to Thom? Cmon brah...

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 08:37 PM
Lavarnway!! :jump:

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:37 PM
Lavarnway homers, wow.

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:37 PM
Lavarnway again!

JCM11
07-19-2019, 08:37 PM
Epic debut for Lavarnway lol.

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:37 PM
RL !!! What a night!

stein1214
07-19-2019, 08:38 PM
Bell gets tossed early, and all of a sudden we’re good...huh?

757690
07-19-2019, 08:38 PM
Maybe Barnhart is easy to replace ;)

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 08:38 PM
https://youtu.be/S70R3z2ub9w

Give us any rule, weíll break it!!! [emoji445][emoji445][emoji445]


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Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:38 PM
Admittedly in limited PA's for both new catchers, Lavarnway appears to be a better batsman than Graterol.

And just like that, Ryan hits a three-run bomb!

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:38 PM
Is this the way Johnny Bench started out?

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:39 PM
Cardinals announcers are sounding very depressed now.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:39 PM
Mahle has received very little run support. We’re seeing a correction to that. Last time (disaster) in Colorado and tonight.

The law of averages.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:39 PM
Bell gets tossed early, and all of a sudden we’re good...huh?

I was thinking the same thing.

Strikes Out Looking
07-19-2019, 08:39 PM
Is this the way Johnny Bench started out?

I think the comp is more Bill Plummer

ochoa30
07-19-2019, 08:40 PM
This right here is why baseball is awesome. Tough couple of weeks but a great night for a journeyman catcher. Good for him.

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:40 PM
Mahle has received very little run support. We’re seeing a correction to that. Last time (disaster) in Colorado and tonight.

The law of averages.

They scored more runs for you like you asked keep asking for more runs of a game

stein1214
07-19-2019, 08:40 PM
Don’t disagree, I don’t see an LTC for Scooter at this stage.

Let’s get some more runs, guys.

I wouldn’t mind bringing him back for a few years at the right price.

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 08:41 PM
This feels like Lucas Sims debut for us. Just special. Welcome to Cincinnati big fella!!

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:41 PM
Wacha in for Wainwright. Wacha hasn't pitched in a game since July 4th.

JT Redlegs
07-19-2019, 08:41 PM
Oh, this game is going down the toilet fast. Now without Suarez, and Lavarnway catching, and other guys struggling, not much offensive potential.

This post didn't age well.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:42 PM
This post didn't age well.

That's OK:D "Babe" Lavarnway has taken care of it.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:43 PM
Makes a big difference when you get offense from the bottom of the order.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:43 PM
Jesse "Billy" Winker with an infield single to the pitcher.

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 08:44 PM
It doesnt get more satisfying than taking St Louis to the woodshed, for my money.

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:45 PM
Announcers: Don't forget the Reds gave up on Encanarcion.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:45 PM
I wouldn’t mind bringing him back for a few years at the right price.

I’d try for a one year extension in light of the injury.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Thom beating the drum for Edwin Encarnacion for the Hall of Fame. Chris is throwing some water on his ardor.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Announcers: Don't forget the Reds gave up on Encanarcion.

EE hit a Grand Slam tonight for the Yankees.

Strikes Out Looking
07-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Announcers: Don't forget the Reds gave up on Encanarcion.

Juan or Edwin?

JT Redlegs
07-19-2019, 08:47 PM
Juan or Edwin?

They're about equally deserving of HoF recognition

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:47 PM
Announcers: Don't forget the Reds gave up on Encanarcion.

So did the Blue Jays. So did the A's.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:49 PM
72 pitches for Mahle, one out in the fifth.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 08:51 PM
Mahle sets them down in the fifth.

NebraskaRed
07-19-2019, 08:52 PM
Reds Media Relations
@RedsPR

Mahle is the first Reds pitcher with 2 hits in a game since Luis Castillo on 4/6/18 at Pit.

Mike Leake was the last Reds pitcher with 3 hits in a game (7/24/13 at SF).

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:54 PM
So did the Blue Jays. So did the A's.

But the Reds missed out on about 337 HRS.

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 08:56 PM
How often does Chris get a headache while announcing a game with Thom?

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 08:56 PM
Scooter!! Lookin better !

Rolando
07-19-2019, 08:57 PM
But the Reds missed out on about 337 HRS.

What position was he going to play for the Reds

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 08:57 PM
But the Reds missed out of about 337 HRS.

Which they would have anyway. Either they would have non-tendered him after 2009, or he would have left as a free agent before he ever turned himself around. He just wasn't that good as a Red, and there was no reason to believe he was going to improve. He was a right-handed hitting Willie Greene.

I am grateful they were able to turn him into Scott Rolen.

Strikes Out Looking
07-19-2019, 09:00 PM
But the Reds missed out on about 337 HRS.

This argument is nonsensical. EE couldn't play 3b, the 3b they got helped get the team to the playoffs in 2010 and 2012 and provided leadership, and the 1b at the time of the deal was this kid who went on to win an MVP and come in second another year. Any announcer who brings this up and broadcasts Reds games should be fired, not for the opinion, but for their lack of knowledge.

You know who the Reds gave up on too early? Tony Perez, and Frank Robinson.

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 09:06 PM
What position was he going to play for the Reds

3rd base. We decided a 34 year old Scott Rolen was a better future.

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:08 PM
But the Reds missed out on about 337 HRS.

Where exactly were they supposed to play him? He wasn't a good defensive 3B and an 103 OPS+ as a Red wasn't getting it done.

He hasn't played 3B regularly since 2010. There's no DH in the NL and the only other position he's played is 1B. Something tells me he wouldn't have cut it there the past decade either...

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 09:08 PM
3rd base. We decided a 34 year old Scott Rolen was a better future.

Edwin's nickname was "E5" for a reason. He couldn't play 3rd base. And Rolen wasn't a better future -- he was a better present.

Tadasimha
07-19-2019, 09:11 PM
Where there's a will, there's a Lavarnway - who's in the will now!

C'mon, Tyler - stay focused

klw
07-19-2019, 09:12 PM
WTH. Suarez gets himself tossed over what"
Votto did it the other night.
Lack of leadership from your best players may be a problem.

Seriously? Votto got tossed with the team up by 6 runs in the 9th. Could there be a better time for him to be rung up? The odds of a game having a negative outcome because Votto isn't there to play defense for the bottom of the ninth are probably as close to zero as you can get. Suarez getting tossed in the first however is not the best timing

Rolando
07-19-2019, 09:16 PM
how did scooter not get that guy out at first?

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:19 PM
Mahle limping a bit


Just joined the game - did Bell get thrown out?

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 09:20 PM
Mahle limping a bit


Just joined the game - did Bell get thrown out?
Yes.

Let’s leave it at two runs across for STL.

gagliano
07-19-2019, 09:20 PM
Pitcher bats 8th again...

If it's such a good idea, then "pitcher bats 7th" should be an even better idea.

hell, bat him cleanup

adkindo
07-19-2019, 09:20 PM
how did scooter not get that guy out at first?

looked like he may have not got the ball cleanly the first grab....but dude did not look to be in a hurry either

JCM11
07-19-2019, 09:22 PM
Iglesias clowned out again.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:22 PM
Oh this sucks

Bases right back to loaded

fielder's choice
07-19-2019, 09:22 PM
So dumb

stein1214
07-19-2019, 09:23 PM
C’mon Iggy. Up by 5 runs...just get an out.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 09:24 PM
Now you've done it, J.Iggy! The Wrath of Thom is upon you!

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 09:25 PM
Genuinely have no confidence they’ll win this one lol, something about big leads gives this team crippling anxiety and they start screwing up more than usual

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:26 PM
7-3 now on a sac fly

I don't like it

JCM11
07-19-2019, 09:26 PM
Puig let's the runner go to second. Third bad defensive play of the inning. 7-5 now this isn't a good team.

stein1214
07-19-2019, 09:26 PM
Throw it in to 2nd...come on guys. Just not thinking out there.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:26 PM
Lol 7-5 on a 2 run double


They're absolutely going to blow this


These guys are awful for my blood pressure

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 09:27 PM
Sure was a nice 7-0 lead they had

JCM11
07-19-2019, 09:28 PM
Throw it in to 2nd...come on guys. Just not thinking out there.

They're more interested in showing off than playing the right way.

onehand
07-19-2019, 09:28 PM
This season has devolved to just entertainment, not baseball. Accept that, and you can still watch this mess.

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 09:29 PM
Good. I wanted a compelling win. It was too comfortable being up 7.

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 09:29 PM
Don't worry. At least we've still got our slugging third baseman to... Oh. Nevermind.

TopSix
07-19-2019, 09:29 PM
Tyler Mahle now has 5 quality starts in 19 gs

He’s sal Romano/rookie Davis useless

ochoa30
07-19-2019, 09:29 PM
So hard to understand why Iglesias would even try that. It backfired the one time he tried it earlier this year and he we are again. There was no chance for a DP so just why?

adkindo
07-19-2019, 09:30 PM
looked like he got him?

stein1214
07-19-2019, 09:30 PM
This season has devolved to just entertainment, not baseball. Accept that, and you can still watch this mess.

It would be a lot more entertaining to just watch the first 4 or 5 innings and then go do something else.

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 09:30 PM
I'm stunned some random guy named KNIZNER just doubled and didn't muscle that ball all the way out.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 09:30 PM
Not that thrilled with Bell’s bullpen usage since Garrett, and then Iggy, went out.

He leaves relievers in too long, seemingly to avoid having a bullpen shortage later on.

This inning, like the Stephenson inning yesterday, should have been treated with more urgency once men got on base IMO.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:31 PM
Lol

You can't make this stuff up

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 09:31 PM
Not that thrilled with Bell’s bullpen usage since Garrett, and then Iggy, went out.

He leaves relievers in too long, seemingly to avoid having a bullpen shortage later on.

This inning, like the Stephenson inning yesterday, should have been treated with more urgency once men got on base IMO.

Bell's got nothing to do with this one.

mamell
07-19-2019, 09:32 PM
I just woke up, was catching up in the comment section and suddenly it went from 7-0 to 7-6 to ....and Lavarnaway was the star of the game.. I'm going back to pretending to sleep..

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:33 PM
Tyler Mahle now has 5 quality starts in 19 gs

He’s sal Romano/rookie Davis useless

Quality starts are a borderline useless statistic.

There have been plenty of games where he pitched fine but got lifted before 6 innings by Captain Hook aka David Bell.

His record is in no way indicative of how he has pitched this season, a few bad starts be damned.

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:33 PM
Not that thrilled with Bellís bullpen usage since Garrett, and then Iggy, went out.

He leaves relievers in too long, seemingly to avoid having a bullpen shortage later on.

This inning, like the Stephenson inning yesterday, should have been treated with more urgency once men got on base IMO.

Can't blame Bell tonight and the real issue this inning has been multiple defensive lapses.

ScotlandRed
07-19-2019, 09:33 PM
15109

lol

bigfoot52
07-19-2019, 09:33 PM
Edwin's nickname was "E5" for a reason. He couldn't play 3rd base. And Rolen wasn't a better future -- he was a better present.

The assumption that you guys are making is that EE could never developed in to an adequate third baseman. Yes he had struggles defensively, but he could have possibly turned the corner with continued player development. Who knows? It's your opinion that he would never would. BTW, I loved having Scott Rolen in Cincinnati. A great leader. As I remember though, di he had a good year in 2010, but had injury issues the other 3 years. You guys have some good points. The Reds had to make a choice.

mamell
07-19-2019, 09:34 PM
That's it fellas...walk em loaded..for the top of the lineup.. Atta boyz!

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:34 PM
Jesus Votto


Tie game



These guys are crapping their pants out there

JCM11
07-19-2019, 09:34 PM
This is a bad baseball team folks.

We need a Scott Rolen type trade for a locker room leader to give these guys a kick in the pants.

fielder's choice
07-19-2019, 09:34 PM
Yikes

Jomama
07-19-2019, 09:35 PM
Looks like The Bad News Bears out there. What an embarrassment.

KronoRed
07-19-2019, 09:35 PM
This is peak Reds.

ochoa30
07-19-2019, 09:35 PM
Legit bad news bears, lol. Pathetic.

adkindo
07-19-2019, 09:35 PM
this idiot is back up to bat

Kc61
07-19-2019, 09:36 PM
Can't blame Bell tonight and the real issue this inning has been multiple defensive lapses.

Right, and maybe he doesn’t have the bullpen horses. But once Mahle got all the guys on base I think you use a higher leverage reliever. Use a fireman to put out the fire.

He’s been too patient since the injuries/absences IMO.

CrackerJack
07-19-2019, 09:36 PM
David Bell in the dugout after games lately:

https://thegirlwhoknewtoomuch46.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/buttermaker-cries.gif?w=720

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:36 PM
The assumption that you guys are making is that EE could never developed in to an adequate third baseman. Yes he had struggles defensively, but he could have possibly turned the corner with continued player development. Who knows? It's your opinion that he would never would. BTW, I loved having Scott Rolen in Cincinnati. A great leader. As I remember though, di he had a good year in 2010, but had injury issues the other 3 years. You guys have some good points. The Reds had to make a choice.

He wasn't going to get any better as he aged. In fact, he was going to get worse. That's why he got moved to primarily DH.

Tom Servo
07-19-2019, 09:37 PM
Gotta be the worst inning of this season, right? Just pathetic.

- - - Updated - - -


Right, and maybe he doesn’t have the bullpen horses. But once Mahle got all the guys on base I think you use a higher leverage reliever. Use a fireman to put out the fire.

He’s been too patient since the injuries/absences IMO.
You seem to be missing that Bell is literally not making these moves, he’s been ejected

mamell
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
That was a quick check in to see how well we were doing.. in about 3 minutes of being awake they go from 7-0 to 7-8.... Being awake lately has done me no favors. Sleep has been my only friend the past couple of days ...Reds and my personal life.. Good night everyone..

ochoa30
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Well at least they had a good half of a game. Cant expect more out of a Reds team recently

Jomama
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
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The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Hahahahaha

10-3 Cards


Contract the Reds

Reds Fanatic
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Wow. Just pitiful

fielder's choice
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Oh daddy

JCM11
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
10-7 the biggest meltdown of the year. This team is toast.

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:38 PM
All you can do is laugh.

Might as well lose the rest of the year and get yourself a great draft pick.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:39 PM
A 10 run inning

Jesus H Christ

Red Raindog
07-19-2019, 09:39 PM
Hughes is not very good tonight -- along with a cast of many others wearing Reds uniforms

OGB
07-19-2019, 09:39 PM
Remember when I said the Reds desperately needed to add to the bullpen and 75% of the board assured me the bullpen was awesome?

ochoa30
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
10-7 the biggest meltdown of the year. This team is toast.

They were already toast but this is the cherry on top of poop flavored sundae

Kc61
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
This is great for Lorenzen. Best pen arm they have now.

Never pitches in a meaningful spot these days. Almost a vacation.

Heís being saved for some future competitive inning which will never materialize.

adkindo
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
give everyone in that bullpen a pink slip tonight....bring in all new guys from AAA, beer leagues.....do not really care at this point....this bullpen is an embarrassment

KronoRed
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
This is mothers day massacre redux.

coryfly
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
Can't blame Bell tonight and the real issue this inning has been multiple defensive lapses.

You can't blame Bell directly for sure. However, at some point basic fundamentals has to fall back on the coach to some extent. It does in every other sport. But yeah, as far as the pitches goes he tried his best to get them out of this inning and the pitchers and team let him down.

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
Abject ****show.

Big Klu
07-19-2019, 09:40 PM
All you can do is laugh.

Might as well lose the rest of the year and get yourself a great draft pick.

And how are all of those previous draft picks panning out?

CrackerJack
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
Why leave Hughes out there so long? Should've yanked him 20 runs ago.

fondfoat
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
Man......man oh man........maaaaaaannnnnnn.....sigh

TheBigLebowski
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
This is a low point. Maybe the lowest in the past few years.

These guys are begging the front office to sell. Begging. Don’t waste this chance. We have marketable assets. For once, leverage them. Please.

Wonderful Monds
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
I hate this team so much

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
I wanted the Reds to trade Hughes and Hernandez last year at their peak value. They should have consulted me.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
give everyone in that bullpen a pink slip tonight....bring in all new guys from AAA, beer leagues.....do not really care at this point....this bullpen is an embarrassment

To be fair the Cardinals were given multiple extra outs. Defenders really screwed the pooch big time

JCM11
07-19-2019, 09:41 PM
If all we do at the deadline is trade Roark I'm going to be majorly disappointed. This team needs a substantial overhaul.

stein1214
07-19-2019, 09:42 PM
Right, and maybe he doesnít have the bullpen horses. But once Mahle got all the guys on base I think you use a higher leverage reliever. Use a fireman to put out the fire.


...and that fireman would be?

UKWhoDey
07-19-2019, 09:42 PM
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2016-10/31/12/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane01/anigif_sub-buzz-26552-1477932400-3.gif

gagliano
07-19-2019, 09:42 PM
A 10 run inning

Jesus H Christ

ive been worried theyd trade puig, but the question is moot. he aint gonna re-sign with this team. no way.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:43 PM
This is a low point. Maybe the lowest in the past few years.

These guys are begging the front office to sell. Begging. Don’t waste this chance. We have marketable assets. For once, leverage them. Please.

Yep. Burn this baby down and look toward next year, not that it will be any better but at least try.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 09:43 PM
...and that fireman would be?

Lorenzen in this case.

Best reliever he has. His job is to sit until a pinch runner is needed or the game is out of hand.

BluegrassRedleg
07-19-2019, 09:43 PM
Getting texts that Marty went off that inning. Any listening able to summarize?

RedTeamGo!
07-19-2019, 09:43 PM
Lol wut in the world

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:43 PM
And how are all of those previous draft picks panning out?

I'd say Nick Senzel looks like he has quite a bit of potential.

If you're going to suck, SUCK. Increases the likelihood of landing a star at the top of the draft. The further you go down the board the less likely you're going to find gold.

The Operator
07-19-2019, 09:44 PM
If all we do at the deadline is trade Roark I'm going to be majorly disappointed. This team needs a substantial overhaul.

This team never sells off assets at the right time. I have no faith they'll start now.

CrackerJack
07-19-2019, 09:44 PM
To be fair the Cardinals were given multiple extra outs. Defenders really screwed the pooch big time

True, and that stuff is even more likely to happen when they're hitting rocket shots everywhere. I'm not going to blame the defense for giving up 10 runs though.

adkindo
07-19-2019, 09:45 PM
To be fair the Cardinals were given multiple extra outs. Defenders really screwed the pooch big time

I felt the same way last night....there is like 2.5 major league arms down there (and 1.5 of them are out tonight)....I know there are better options in Louisville

Wonderful Monds
07-19-2019, 09:45 PM
And to think some people don’t want this team to trade their impending free agents because they’re worried about them not having a “decent record” lol

Rolando
07-19-2019, 09:46 PM
Lorenzen in this case.

Best reliever he has. His job is to sit until a pinch runner is needed or the game is out of hand.

All the trouble started when lazy ass scooter didn't know how to make a play on a play every second baseman in baseball can make .

KronoRed
07-19-2019, 09:46 PM
All that's missing is a picture of Williams laughing it up in the expensive seats.
15111

Rolando
07-19-2019, 09:47 PM
And to think some people don’t want this team to trade their impending free agents because they’re worried about them not having a “decent record” lol

Dick William's a freaking idoit.

onehand
07-19-2019, 09:47 PM
All the trouble started when lazy ass scooter didn't know how to make a play on a play every second baseman in baseball can make .

Assuming the first baseman can get to the bag in time...

ochoa30
07-19-2019, 09:47 PM
I'd have no problem if they turned over about 80% of this roster. It ain't working. Just do something different already.

RR1971
07-19-2019, 09:47 PM
If the Reds were willing to pick up 100% of vottos salary for the rest of his contract I doubt they could get a top prospect for him. What an awful contract the reds gave him.

Falls City Beer
07-19-2019, 09:47 PM
It’s so easy to say Burn the place down. Sell everything. But this organization has talented players that we will turn into mostly lotto tickets if we trade at the deadline. That’s really a dumb idea.

Wonderful Monds
07-19-2019, 09:48 PM
If the Reds were willing to pick up 100% of vottos salary for the rest of his contract I doubt they could get a top prospect for him. What an awful contract the reds gave him.

Go post on Braveszone already

ZakkW
07-19-2019, 09:48 PM
Very disappointing that it has come to this

RedTeamGo!
07-19-2019, 09:48 PM
It’s cliche to say “the season is officially over after this one.”

But.........

Coopdaddy67
07-19-2019, 09:49 PM
If the Reds were willing to pick up 100% of vottos salary for the rest of his contract I doubt they could get a top prospect for him. What an awful contract the reds gave him.

Votto's production thus far over the life of the contract has already paid for itself and then some.

Kc61
07-19-2019, 09:49 PM
And to think some people don’t want this team to trade their impending free agents because they’re worried about them not having a “decent record” lol

And to think some people think trading off some of the few good players for second-tier AA prospects will help the situation.

Wonderful Monds
07-19-2019, 09:49 PM
It’s so easy to say Burn the place down. Sell everything. But this organization has talented players that we will turn into mostly lotto tickets if we trade at the deadline. That’s really a dumb idea.

So what’s the point of keeping guys like Roark? I guess I can see keeping Puig if you want to resign him, but if they’re not planning on that he should be gone too.

50YrRedsFan
07-19-2019, 09:49 PM
Maybe I'll go to a Dodgers-Yankees game when they play later this year in LA. That way I can see real major league teams play.

TheBigLebowski
07-19-2019, 09:49 PM
Dick William's a freaking idoit.

Thereís a great irony here

Wonderful Monds
07-19-2019, 09:49 PM
And to think some people think trading off some of the few good players for second-tier AA prospects will help the situation.


Help what situation? Who gives a damn if they win 75 games instead of 70? That is such a dumb shortsighted position to take.