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Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 01:05 PM
Reds
Ervin CF
Iglesias SS
Suarez 3B
Aquino RF
Peraza LF
Farmer 1B
Galvis 2B
Barnhart C
Bauer P

Padres
Garcia 2B
Naylor LF
Machado 3B
Hosmer 1B
Renfroe RF
Mejia C
Myers CF
Urias SS
Layer P

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 01:07 PM
Using your only other catcher at 1B seems to be asking for trouble, Farmer has been good against LHP but I'd just as soon give JVM the start there.

North
08-19-2019, 01:16 PM
Using your only other catcher at 1B seems to be asking for trouble, Farmer has been good against LHP but I'd just as soon give JVM the start there.

Analytical Man will not be swayed. ;)

adkindo
08-19-2019, 01:26 PM
Using your only other catcher at 1B seems to be asking for trouble, Farmer has been good against LHP but I'd just as soon give JVM the start there.

what type of trouble? Just seeing if I am missing something, but if something happened to Tucker, then Farmer could just move to catcher? Are you suggesting if they both were injured?

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 01:28 PM
what type of trouble? Just seeing if I am missing something, but if something happened to Tucker, then Farmer could just move to catcher? Are you suggesting if they both were injured?
Yes. It also locks you in to needing both of them to play all 9 innings.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 02:38 PM
I was looking at Lauer's splits, and he has been significantly worse on the road. He has a 3.10 ERA @ Home and a 6.20 ERA on the road. Also since the All Star break his overall ERA is 6.56 compared to 4.04 before the break. Too bad we are down a couple left handed bats in the lineup, because he has got rocked by left handed batters this year.

gagliano
08-19-2019, 02:41 PM
Senzel CF
Iglesias SS
Suarez 3B
Aquino RF
Ervin LF
Peraza 2B
Farmer 1B
Barnhart C
Bauer P

well, 2 years without missing a game and galvis has to sit for Bell. idiot!

GADawg
08-19-2019, 03:05 PM
well, 2 years without missing a game and galvis has to sit for Bell. idiot!

Maybe nobody told Bell that Freddy switch hits

Fil3232
08-19-2019, 03:18 PM
Yes. It also locks you in to needing both of them to play all 9 innings.

It doesn't. Barnhart could be subbed out in the 6th inning, Farmer slides to catcher, and JVM inserted to 1B after pinch-hitting vs a RHP

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 03:22 PM
It doesn't. Barnhart could be subbed out in the 6th inning, Farmer slides to catcher, and JVM inserted to 1B after pinch-hitting vs a RHP
Yeah but I meant in terms of having a backup available. If you do that and Farmer takes a shot and needs to leave, then what?

I think playing Farmer against a LHP makes sense in a vacuum but even if the odds are long of it happening I don't know that those 2, maybe 3 ABs for Farmer against Lauer is worth the risk of having Brian O'Grady catching or something like that.

Fil3232
08-19-2019, 03:25 PM
Yeah but I meant in terms of having a backup available. If you do that and Farmer takes a shot and needs to leave, then what?

I think playing Farmer against a LHP makes sense in a vacuum but even if the odds are long of it happening I don't know that those 2, maybe 3 ABs for Farmer against Lauer is worth the risk of having Brian O'Grady catching or something like that.

I get your larger point but they've played many innings this year without a true catcher available to use on the bench. It bit them in Chicago but that's the exception, not the rule.

CaiGuy
08-19-2019, 03:26 PM
It's not like Farmer's bat is so good you need to get it into the lineup anyways. I know he has some use as a versatile backup catcher/infielder with some pop, but I feel like some really overrate him (especially in the Reds broadcast team)...he isn't really having that good of a year at the plate. Thom's constant"x RBI's in only x AB's!" comments aside.

Fil3232
08-19-2019, 03:32 PM
It probably all doesn't really matter, but Farmer goes .309/.356/.545 vs LHP this year, while JVM goes .154/.353/.231. If you're trying to win this game, I think it's a good move.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 04:14 PM
The Padres lineup has been added to the original post

CaiGuy
08-19-2019, 04:52 PM
It probably all doesn't really matter, but Farmer goes .309/.356/.545 vs LHP this year, while JVM goes .154/.353/.231. If you're trying to win this game, I think it's a good move.

Didn't realize how much he was killing LH pitching this year...without looking his line against RH must be abismal.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 05:16 PM
Nick Senzel has been scratched from starting lineup with sore elbow. Ervin will move to CF and leadoff. Peraza will move to LF and Galvis will play 2B

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 05:27 PM
Looking forward to watching Trevor “somewhere between an ace and a cuttable pitcher” Bauer tonight.

Godspeed Trevor, you control the direction of Redszone over the next 24 hours.

indy_dave00
08-19-2019, 05:28 PM
He adds Galvis to the line up, which is fine . But WTF, please explain moving Peraza up to 5th to protect Aquino? Ervin or Galvis makes far more sense hitting 5th, guess Aquino will be pretty much pitched around every at bat tonight seeing nothing close to the strike zone . Peraza should be hitting 7th or 8th, hell even lead off before you bat him 5th. Bell's lineup makes absolutely no sense.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 05:31 PM
He adds Galvis to the line up, which is fine . But WTF, please explain moving Peraza up to 5th to protect Aquino? Ervin or Galvis makes far more sense hitting 5th, guess Aquino will be pretty much pitched around every at bat tonight seeing nothing close to the strike zone . Peraza should be hitting 7th or 8th, hell even lead off before you bat him 5th. Bell's lineup makes absolutely no sense.

Ervin is leading off.

Peraza is hitting .500 vs Lauer. (small sample size)

indy_dave00
08-19-2019, 05:35 PM
How many at bat 5 or 10 vs Lauer? The entire point is you make the Padres pitch to Aquino batting Peraza behind him makes a walk with anyone on to fAce Peraza a far better option

Mitri
08-19-2019, 05:39 PM
Definitely a classic "all the backups score 15 runs" lineup tonight.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 05:45 PM
How many at bat 5 or 10 vs Lauer?

LOL, I said it was a SSS.
He's actually hitting .500 vs Lauer 4 for 8.
I'm not defending it just offering a possible explanation

indy_dave00
08-19-2019, 05:52 PM
Well 4 of 8 makes more sense batting lead off , get him every at bat you can. Yes, that was sarcasm, still doesn't warrant batting him as Aquino's protector in the line up

North
08-19-2019, 05:53 PM
Looking forward to watching Trevor “somewhere between an ace and a cuttable pitcher” Bauer tonight.

Godspeed Trevor, you control the direction of Redszone over the next 24 hours.

I have this sudden craving for a Milky Way bar. :)

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 06:02 PM
Yeah but I meant in terms of having a backup available. If you do that and Farmer takes a shot and needs to leave, then what?

I think playing Farmer against a LHP makes sense in a vacuum but even if the odds are long of it happening I don't know that those 2, maybe 3 ABs for Farmer against Lauer is worth the risk of having Brian O'Grady catching or something like that.

Not sure in my 35 years of watching and 25 of those years really watching around the league that I can name a time that both catchers were injured and the 3rd guy had to go in. Maybe once or twice. We let Peraza and Farmer pitch in crazy situations...why couldnít VanMeter or Ervin or Peraza catch in a pinch? Itís never ideal but itís such an incredibly low low risk of happening.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 06:03 PM
Billy Hamilton has been claimed by the Braves

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 06:04 PM
Billy Hamilton has been claimed by the Braves

Did the Freeze get hurt?

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 06:07 PM
Did the Freeze get hurt?

Haha! Inciarte did

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 06:12 PM
Haha! Incearte did

Watch Hamilton go from Donell Nixon to peak Otis Nixon

JaxRed
08-19-2019, 06:37 PM
Senzel out of game with sore elbow from being hit by pitch yesterday. Oops. Missed the earlier post.

So as my post is not totally useless....... Dietrich is rehabbing in Louisville tonight.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 06:46 PM
Using your only other catcher at 1B seems to be asking for trouble, Farmer has been good against LHP but I'd just as soon give JVM the start there.

I don't think Bell will double switch either of them out.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 06:48 PM
Fun Stat around the MLB

The White Sox donít have a single player in the top 140 of walks this season

JaxRed
08-19-2019, 06:49 PM
Senzel out of game with sore elbow from being hit by pitch yesterday. Oops. Missed the earlier post.

So as my post is not totally useless....... Dietrich is rehabbing in Louisville tonight.

You can't make this stuff up. In his first at bat Dietrich was HBP. He's ready.

indy_dave00
08-19-2019, 06:52 PM
Dietrich was hit on elbow by a pitch in his 1st ab with the Bats tonight

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 07:01 PM
Is Winker available to do anything other than pinch hit? (I know a lefty is pitching against the Reds tonight -- I just wondered if he was available.)

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 07:13 PM
Nice longshot effort by Freddie, and Bauer was there!

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 07:13 PM
Not sure I would wear navy blue jerseys when it is almost 90į and high humidity.

JaxRed
08-19-2019, 07:15 PM
That should have been a K !!

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 07:15 PM
Ball 4 was a strike

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 07:15 PM
Well that was strike 3.

But probably shouldn’t have started 3-0 in the count. Now you’ve got a problem.

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What’s Bauer’s percentage of balls to strikes as a Red? It’s gotta be bad.

JaxRed
08-19-2019, 07:17 PM
Not a good start.... Gotta throw more strikes.

JFLegal
08-19-2019, 07:17 PM
yet another case when robot umps are needed. bauer had the 2hole hitter struck out.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:18 PM
Machado wow

JFLegal
08-19-2019, 07:18 PM
and it would have been a big difference with one out, runner on first ... compared to no outs, runners on first and second.

mlb needs to get with the program. no excuse with today's technology to have umpires missing balls/strikes all the time.

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:19 PM
yet another case when robot umps are needed. bauer had the 2hole hitter struck out.

Max Scherzer falls behind 3-0 and comes back and makes that 3-2 pitch on the black and he’s called an ace.

Bauer does the same and he’s a bum.

I for one welcome our robot overlords.

JFLegal
08-19-2019, 07:20 PM
nice job by bauer. that should have been the third out, but it's the second. now let's go.

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real nice job by bauer.

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:22 PM
Just pisses me off to see it 1-0 right now.

Should be 0-0.

JFLegal
08-19-2019, 07:22 PM
Just pisses me off to see it 1-0 right now.

Should be 0-0.

this is true.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 07:23 PM
Nice recovery. Gotta keep the Greg Garcia types off base next time around.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 07:26 PM
wasn't Ervin who had one just like that last game?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:26 PM
Max Scherzer falls behind 3-0 and comes back and makes that 3-2 pitch on the black and heís called an ace.

Bauer does the same and heís a bum.

I for one welcome our robot overlords.

Max is very much an ace regardless and Bauer is not a bum regardless

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 07:27 PM
wasn't Ervin who had one just like that last game?

I think it was Geno

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:28 PM
Max is very much an ace regardless and Bauer is not a bun regardless

That’s just the snap reaction by many to such examples. Of course one pitch does not label a pitcher.

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2019, 07:28 PM
Kind of annoying that Bell won’t even give his lefties like JVM a chance against LHP but whatever

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:29 PM
Why was Ervin so behind (sending the ball oppo) during that AB?

Tee off on this guy.

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Kind of annoying that Bell won’t even give his lefties like JVM a chance against LHP but whatever

There’s a prominent ex-Redzoner on Twitter that couldn’t agree with you more.

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1/4 the way to Joltin’ Joe!

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 07:31 PM
Jose Iglesias will not be stopped, apparently

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:32 PM
Just bat him 1st or 2nd until he loses that hitting streak. Not like he canít handle batting 2nd

malcontent
08-19-2019, 07:32 PM
Farmer 2019 OPS vs. LHP = 0.901.

Peraza 2019 OPS vs. LHP = 0.676.

Who "protects" Aquino?

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:33 PM
The amount of people complaining about Peraza protecting Aquino means Aristedes will homer tonight.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 07:35 PM
The amount of people complaining about Peraza protecting Aquino means Aristedes will homer tonight.

not even like that is a bold call

JaxRed
08-19-2019, 07:35 PM
And Scott Moss had 2 starts at AA with 0.00 ERA and has been promoted to AAA for Cleveland.

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2019, 07:36 PM
Why was Ervin so behind (sending the ball oppo) during that AB?

Tee off on this guy.

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There’s a prominent ex-Redzoner on Twitter that couldn’t agree with you more.

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1/4 the way to Joltin’ Joe!

He’s right about that though lol. If they play all the left handed hitters like they’re platoon guys without ever giving them a chance to develop against LHP, it becomes kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. Bell did it with Winker and now he’s doing it with Vanmeter. I’m generally positive about Bell these days, but his overactive tinkering based on handedness is pretty dumb and his biggest weakness as a manager, IMO.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:36 PM
Why was Ervin so behind (sending the ball oppo) during that AB?

Tee off on this guy.

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Thereís a prominent ex-Redzoner on Twitter that couldnít agree with you more.

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1/4 the way to Joltiní Joe!

Vision isnít always great early on there.

To me it looked like his swing was either a bit longer or he was swinging harder, which can slightly slow you down.

He made Suarez and Aquino look not great too

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 07:36 PM
#evenjerky

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:36 PM
not even like that is a bold call

Maybe those complaining about Peraza are upset it means AA will only homer once, not 2 or 3 times.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 07:37 PM
I noticed Aquino (and a couple other guys including Winker I think) have at least one finger below the knob on the bat....is that common?

malcontent
08-19-2019, 07:38 PM
And Scott Moss had 2 starts at AA with 0.00 ERA and has been promoted to AAA for Cleveland.
His MiLB stats are pretty good. I hated to see him included/wonder if he could have even been in the rotation mix for 2020.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:38 PM
I noticed Aquino (and a couple other guys including Winker I think) have at least one finger below the knob on the bat....is that common?

Itís been that way for a bit. I forget who started doing it recently

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:38 PM
#evenjerky

Ever listen to it on the radio version of the commercial? Same script but he says it without a mouthful of beef.

It just sounds odd after being accustomed to the TV version.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 07:39 PM
A very nice idea by Bauer to try for a slide pick-up.

JaxRed
08-19-2019, 07:39 PM
His MiLB stats are pretty good. I hated to see him included/wonder if he could have even been in the rotation mix for 2020.

My guess would have been "not at start if 2020 but maybe later"

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:39 PM
Thom....doesnít matter Manny was hitting .145 of late because he was like 9/14 off of Bauer

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 07:40 PM
He’s right about that though lol. If they play all the left handed hitters like they’re platoon guys without ever giving them a chance to develop against LHP, it becomes kind of a self fulfilling prophecy. Bell did it with Winker and now he’s doing it with Vanmeter. I’m generally positive about Bell these days, but his overactive tinkering based on handedness is pretty dumb and his biggest weakness as a manager, IMO.
I don’t think platoons are tinkering. I would like to see JVM get some ABs against LHP but Bell’s got a mandate to win games and that’s what he’s trying to do. One can’t really argue that starting a lefty over a LHP masher gives the Reds a better chance to win.

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2019, 07:41 PM
owned

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 07:41 PM
Tuck pegs him out

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 07:41 PM
I noticed Aquino (and a couple other guys including Winker I think) have at least one finger below the knob on the bat....is that common?

Once Votto abandoned the severe choke up, they had to try to go a step(or a finger) better.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 07:41 PM
fool testing Tucker

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 07:42 PM
Great job by Tucker and Freddie!

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:42 PM
He gone

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:43 PM
Great job by Tucker and Freddie!

Freddy

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2019, 07:45 PM
I don’t think platoons are tinkering. I would like to see JVM get some ABs against LHP but Bell’s got a mandate to win games and that’s what he’s trying to do. One can’t really argue that starting a lefty over a LHP masher gives the Reds a better chance to win.

I get it, but it’s annoying that Winker and JVM are currently being fast tracked to platoon guy status without ever really seeing if they can be full time starters. That ship has already sailed on Winker, and it’s kind of headed in that direction with JVM. It’s doubly annoying when Peraza likely doesn’t have much of a future left of this team himself.

Some of the platoon decisions have been pretty dumb too. Like tonight, as Doug pointed out on twitter, Lauer has reverse platoon splits and JVM had an OPS over 1.000 against them in AAA. We don’t really know how he fares against them at this level because he has a whole 13 AB’s so far.

Likewise I think it’s dumb to hit Jose Iglesias cleanup in any situation ever just because the opposing pitcher is a LHP who he has good numbers against in like 20 PA’s. That was a notable clunker from sometime last month if I’m not mistaken.

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 07:47 PM
I get it, but it’s annoying that Winker and JVM are currently being fast tracked to platoon guy status without ever really seeing if they can be full time starters. That ship has already sailed on Winker, and it’s kind of headed in that direction with JVM. It’s doubly annoying when Peraza likely doesn’t have much of a future left of this team himself.

Some of the platoon decisions have been pretty dumb too. Like tonight, as Doug pointed out on twitter, Lauer has reverse platoon splits and JVM had an OPS over 1.000 against them in AAA. We don’t really know how he fares against them at this level because he has a whole 13 AB’s so far.

Likewise I think it’s dumb to hit Jose Iglesias cleanup in any situation ever just because the opposing pitcher is a LHP who he has good numbers against in like 20 PA’s. That was a notable clunker from sometime last month if I’m not mistaken.

Big/long-term picture - I don’t think the ship has sailed on Winker and platooning him.

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2019, 07:49 PM
Big/long-term picture - I don’t think the ship has sailed on Winker and platooning him.

We’ll see. Winker is injured right now so it’s understandable, but next year is gonna be a big win now year too, and with the team basically out of it, if Bell can’t give his LHH a shot against a guy with reverse platoon splits, I’m not sure when it’ll ever happen.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 07:49 PM
Nice play by Myers

adkindo
08-19-2019, 07:49 PM
Peraza is the unluckiest batter this year

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 07:52 PM
Peraza is the unluckiest batter this year

So that's pretty much the difference in his offensive performance last year vs. this year? I remember quite a few bloop hits last year, and some this year.

Wonderful Monds
08-19-2019, 07:52 PM
Big ol dinger for Galvis

mth123
08-19-2019, 07:52 PM
Freddy

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 07:52 PM
Freddy goes DEEP!!!

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 07:52 PM
Freddy! :jump:

adkindo
08-19-2019, 07:52 PM
Freddy!

SomeCallMeTim
08-19-2019, 07:53 PM
Sign, extend, sign, extend, sign, extend.....

Mitri
08-19-2019, 07:53 PM
Galvis has legit power. He may hit 30 next year in GAB.

mth123
08-19-2019, 07:53 PM
So that's pretty much the difference in his offensive performance last year vs. this year? I remember quite a few bloop hits last year, and some this year.

Yep. Peraza is completely dependent on BABIP. Who knew? Well most of us actually.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:53 PM
Exit velocity Freddy

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 07:54 PM
Freddy got that one on the fat part of the bat, right on the top edge of the strike zone. Nice two out result.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:54 PM
That girl getting that ball was awesome but that next pitch melted my heart

Mitri
08-19-2019, 07:55 PM
Bauer channeling Aquino in his stance?

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 07:57 PM
Galvis has now hit a home run from each side of the plate since joining the Reds.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 07:59 PM
Peraza is the unluckiest batter this year

He had what? 184 hits last year. As he got rolling I just kept thinking....why do teams shift on most everyone but donít scoot he heck in on hitters like Peraza?

Last year of those 184 hits it seemed like 100 were just contact shots that fell between infield and outfield ....the balls that beat the outfielders were HR....very very few balls were struck with his typical trajectory that got over their heads or gapped for doubles.

Seem like some adjustments have been made around the league. A lot of his doubles are down one line or the other. I would move in even more until he started burning the outfielders.

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 08:02 PM
Thom trolling us with all the Billy talk.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:10 PM
thought Aquino was going to end that bat boy

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:10 PM
Bauer well over 3000 pitches for the season. Leads MLB in innings pitched and averages 17.4 pitches per inning. Next highest pitches per inning in the top 30 in IP is 17.1.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 08:12 PM
Mets went to the WS in 2000 Thom, not 99

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:12 PM
Aquino hit by pitch....I feel slightly robbed

Jomama
08-19-2019, 08:13 PM
Good lord.

JCM11
08-19-2019, 08:13 PM
JR House strikes again.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 08:13 PM
Alright, JR House is becoming a problem.

SuŠrez was never gonna score there.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 08:13 PM
That ball was hit too hard to send Suarez

kaldaniels
08-19-2019, 08:14 PM
Stupid Peraza hit it too hard.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:14 PM
hard to defend you on that one JR

Powel Crosley
08-19-2019, 08:14 PM
Fire JR House?

malcontent
08-19-2019, 08:15 PM
Lighten up on House, people. He knows his individual HR celebrations.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:15 PM
JR, JR, Farmer against a lefty was on deck, and couldn't be pitched around! Not a good decision!

Coachforyears
08-19-2019, 08:15 PM
C'mon why extend an inning and put the pitcher under more pressure and drive up his pitch count when we can give them an easy out and add to our LOB count..... House is a joke.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:16 PM
That ball was hit too hard to send Suarez

And the outfielders too far in like I92 says they should be.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:16 PM
honestly, for all we know, JR is not really making that call in real time....it could be a decision predetermined from the dugout.....like, send everytime in XY situation.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 08:18 PM
honestly, for all we know, JR is not really making that call in real time....it could be a decision predetermined from the dugout.....like, send everytime in XY situation.

I Really doubt that

Rolando
08-19-2019, 08:18 PM
hard to defend you on that one JR

I definitely have to agree at some point is a first base coach you have them to stay out of the way

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:19 PM
Alright, JR House is becoming a problem.

SuŠrez was never gonna score there.

He could have with a bad hop or a wide throw, but the risk was pretty poor.

Coachforyears
08-19-2019, 08:19 PM
If Bell has a standing order like that they both should be fired. It shows a complete lack of confidence in Farmer or who ever is on deck. We are going to send the runner because we have no faith you will drive him in....

JCM11
08-19-2019, 08:22 PM
This SD pitcher has nothing we should be lighting him up.

Coachforyears
08-19-2019, 08:23 PM
Just ran the DVR back and the LF was already throwing the ball before Suarez even touched third base. That is malpractice or not giving a damn

malcontent
08-19-2019, 08:23 PM
Just after rounding 3B, Suarez gave House a look of disbelief.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:26 PM
That ball Peraza hit was a rocket (great barrel contact by him)....a laser to the LF

If Matt Carpenter is the LF....he throws out Suarez on that play.

Iím slightly hesitant to send him there with the pitcher up next and 2 out.

That was bad. I see no way to defend house there....like a plain ol lack of instincts for the game

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 08:27 PM
Lance McAlister
@LanceMcAlister
16th #Reds runner out at the plate this year. T-3rd most in MLB.
19: Rangers
17: Pirates
16: Reds, Cubs
ML average: 12

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:34 PM
Lance McAlister
@LanceMcAlister
16th #Reds runner out at the plate this year. T-3rd most in MLB.
19: Rangers
17: Pirates
16: Reds, Cubs
ML average: 12

I wonder how they rank on runners tagged out at home.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:35 PM
Pirates taking a beating @ home

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:35 PM
Looks like some ominous clouds near the ballpark.

JohnnyRed
08-19-2019, 08:35 PM
That one cloud is almost an anvil.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:38 PM
Great 3-2 pitch

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:39 PM
BTW

After a 3-0 count this season:

Scherzer 3
Bauer 3

JohnnyRed
08-19-2019, 08:40 PM
9k in 5innings is pretty good, might match grays 10k in 5 from earlier

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 08:43 PM
That one cloud is almost an anvil.

Cumulonimbus cloud, sometimes called a "thunderhead". Often generate severe thunderstorms.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 08:45 PM
Shoulda had that

JohnnyRed
08-19-2019, 08:45 PM
10 4.

We get the same clouds off of Huron and Superior quite a bit.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:45 PM
Game killing defensive lapse!

JCM11
08-19-2019, 08:45 PM
Peraza has as much business in LF as David Bell has managing an MLB team.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Peraza isn't an outfielder.

DocRed
08-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Really stupid putting Peraza in the OF

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Whoa. Gotta catch that Jose

I thought he was decent in LF earlier in season. That was a bad gaffe.

malcontent
08-19-2019, 08:46 PM
Peraza has as much business in LF as David Bell has managing an MLB team.
Amen to that.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:47 PM
wow, Peraza has to feel like crap coming back to the dugout

Fil3232
08-19-2019, 08:47 PM
I was thinking earlier, I think I would've put Lorenzen in CF when Senzel was scratched. Keep Ervin in LF.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:48 PM
have to put some runs on the board this inning.....top of the order and Ervin and Aquino both are due

JohnnyRed
08-19-2019, 08:48 PM
@Peraza

Come on Man!!!

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:48 PM
Peraza just has too many inexcusable, lack of focus mistakes!

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:48 PM
I donít care if itís Farmer, Barnhart, Votto whoever....that ball has to be caught in LF

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:49 PM
just curious, why has Aquino never played CF? He has the arm and appears to be able to cover a lot of ground.

malcontent
08-19-2019, 08:49 PM
I was thinking earlier, I think I would've put Lorenzen in CF when Senzel was scratched. Keep Ervin in LF.
I'd be willing to bet that Lorenzen would out-OPS Peraza over the course of a season.

JCM11
08-19-2019, 08:51 PM
Peraza just has too many inexcusable, lack of focus mistakes!

That was a lack of experience play. The slice on that ball from a left hand hitter isn't something he's seen much.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 08:52 PM
I had to step out, was Thom incredulous that Lauer was pulled after 4?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:52 PM
A special shout out tonight goes to Evelyn Deerman of Grayson Kentucky. Today Evelyn turns 137 years old. ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY SEVEN!!! She tunes in every night to watch the Redlegs. One hundred and thirty seven. WOW! Good for her.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 08:52 PM
That was a lack of experience play. The slice on that ball from a left hand hitter isn't something he's seen much.

But he was right there, all he has to do is grab it!

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:53 PM
Suarez has not looked good in the box since his HR in the 1st yesterday

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:53 PM
That was a lack of experience play. The slice on that ball from a left hand hitter isn't something he's seen much.

Hit him in the glove. He was right there. Touch it, catch it.

JCM11
08-19-2019, 08:55 PM
But he was right there, all he has to do is grab it!

Bottom line is he shouldn't be out there in an MLB game.

adkindo
08-19-2019, 08:57 PM
was that some sarcastic cheers for Peraza?

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 08:57 PM
8TH game this year Bauer has at least 10 Ks

The Operator
08-19-2019, 08:58 PM
A 6 pitch inning with a K plays nicely.

Powel Crosley
08-19-2019, 08:58 PM
I had to step out, was Thom incredulous that Lauer was pulled after 4?

Yup. He was going on about how Jim Maloney threw 187 pitches on this day in 1965.

The Operator
08-19-2019, 08:58 PM
8TH game this year Bauer has at least 10 Ks

Non tender candidate according to some folks lol

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 08:58 PM
Bottom line is he shouldn't be out there in an MLB game.
He makes his share of errors in the infield too, maybe he's the problem.

I wouldn't be playing Peraza in the outfield, but he has played there before and he's only out there because of a last minute injury scratch. I'd say I'm surprised we're shifting the blame on a whiffed fly ball to David Bell specifically here but it's pretty clear that's just a default position for some.

The Operator
08-19-2019, 08:59 PM
Yup. He was going on about how Jim Maloney threw 187 pitches on this day in 1965.

I hadn't tuned in yet but did he really say that?


Does he realize Maloney's elbow was basically confetti?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 08:59 PM
Bronx cheer for Peraza

I donít want bad things for Jose. Right now Jose seems as beloved as Edwin Encarcion before he was moved

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:01 PM
Punisher apparently likes watching Dexter.


Maybe he's murdering baseballs in secret in addition to the ones he hits out of the ballpark.

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:02 PM
I had to step out, was Thom incredulous that Lauer was pulled after 4?

I dunno, but I have noticed that he never says, "STRAIGHT UP IN THE AIR" when it's a popup to the catcher...only when it's hit to the warning track or thereabouts..

adkindo
08-19-2019, 09:02 PM
Didn't Dexter end like a decade ago?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:03 PM
Another base hit by the devil

JCM11
08-19-2019, 09:03 PM
He makes his share of errors in the infield too, maybe he's the problem.

I wouldn't be playing Peraza in the outfield, but he has played there before and he's only out there because of a last minute injury scratch. I'd say I'm surprised we're shifting the blame on a whiffed fly ball David Bell specifically here but it's pretty clear that's just a default position for some.

So you think Peraza is terrible, but the blame shouldn't be on the guy who keeps putting him in the lineup? Yeah he's played OF before and he's shown he can't do it. VanMeter could've played LF tonight.

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:06 PM
Kid just won the lotto.. a baseball from a big leaguer..

adkindo
08-19-2019, 09:07 PM
ok, now I am getting a little worried....need some runs

Rolando
08-19-2019, 09:11 PM
So you think Peraza is terrible, but the blame shouldn't be on the guy who keeps putting him in the lineup? Yeah he's played OF before and he's shown he can't do it. VanMeter could've played LF tonight.

I blame the front office do a better job of building a bench

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:11 PM
Got him!

11 K's

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 09:14 PM
So you think Peraza is terrible, but the blame shouldn't be on the guy who keeps putting him in the lineup? Yeah he's played OF before and he's shown he can't do it. VanMeter could've played LF tonight.
I don't think Peraza is "terrible" but I think he's at a sink or swim moment and he's sinking. He's only really starting against LHP at this point, and only doing okay in that role. I think Dietrich's return might bury him on the bench for good.

As I said earlier, I would like to see JVM get more ABs vs LHP, so I'd agree that should have been a real option. But Peraza not making a catch is on Peraza.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:14 PM
That AB by Freddy clearly illustrates why his average is so bad on any 2 strike count - no pitcher should ever throw him one in the box with 2 strikes.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 09:14 PM
Nice effort Tuck!

adkindo
08-19-2019, 09:15 PM
Nice effort Tuck!

he catches that with a regular glove

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:16 PM
7 nice innings for the non tender candidate Bauer

Dare they let him hit for himself?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:16 PM
Peraza before that error had played 50 games and over 300 innings in the OF without ever having an error

JCM11
08-19-2019, 09:16 PM
7 innings 2 ER nice start from Bauer. Now lets get the bats to wake up.

WVRedsFan
08-19-2019, 09:16 PM
Seems like we're seeing the same plot every game. The opposition scores first. We tie and our good pitcher allows runs. Our lineup doesn't score much against their 4+ ERA pitcher. Their relief pitchers look like closers. We lose by one or two runs. Make it stop!!!

RedseatHR
08-19-2019, 09:16 PM
Really nice by Bauer tonight. Shame about that drop in left field. All it takes is a baserunner and a big one and we’re back in it

adkindo
08-19-2019, 09:16 PM
7 nice innings for the non tender candidate Bauer

Dare they let him hit for himself?

my guess is he is finished

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 09:17 PM
I think Bauer has another inning in him, but they've only got 9 outs to play with and Bauer's spot due up momentarily.

Rolando
08-19-2019, 09:18 PM
Really nice by Bauer tonight. Shame about that drop in left field. All it takes is a baserunner and a big one and we’re back in it

Also the first run I scored the leadoff hitter got on by a flute play in a ball hitting first base

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 09:20 PM
Thom, wouldn't Maine be as far from Southern California as you can get?

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:20 PM
This guy must be Syndergaard's long lost brother or something

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:21 PM
Also the first run I scored the leadoff hitter got on by a flute play in a ball hitting first base

I think there was a high chance it was a double if it didn't hit the bag.

WVRedsFan
08-19-2019, 09:21 PM
Man, was that ball 4 Tucker swung at?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:21 PM
I think Bauer has 2 more left in him but gotta PH for him in this situation

JCM11
08-19-2019, 09:21 PM
Also the first run I scored the leadoff hitter got on by a flute play in a ball hitting first base

Not to mention the ump blowing the 3-2 call on the second batter which should've been a K.

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:21 PM
JVM hits for Bauer

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Omg strike 1 to Van Meter was atrocious


Robot umps please

adkindo
08-19-2019, 09:22 PM
does VanMeter stay in the game?

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 09:22 PM
oh, strike 1 to VanMeter is further outside than the Ball 4 that cost Bauer back in the 1st. Cool.

Redsfan6272
08-19-2019, 09:22 PM
yep swing at ball four take strike 3... uggggg

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:23 PM
oh, strike 1 to VanMeter is further outside than the Ball 4 that cost Bauer back in the 1st. Cool.

How anybody can watch stuff like that and say "meh, I like the human element" is just beyond me.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 09:24 PM
How anybody can watch stuff like that and say "meh, I like the human element" is just beyond me.
I don't know, Bob Sheed said that wanting calls made correctly makes you a snowflake and that was awfully compelling.

WVRedsFan
08-19-2019, 09:25 PM
This guy with the 4.70 ERA looks like Cy Young.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:25 PM
Peraza before that error had played 50 games and over 300 innings in the OF without ever having an error

I don't think its a problem with skill, wherever he plays, I think his focus is often lacking when he is playing defense, base-running, or bunting, and for that matter choosing what pitches he swings at! Maybe he hadn't made an error in the OF because of inexperience and more focus, and now that he has more experience there he is more prone to loss of focus. Maybe no errors in the outfield, but I'm sure he has had more than one misplay. He strikes me as a player that seems content to be mediocre, draw his salary, and enjoy the life.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:25 PM
Quit striking out everyone!

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:25 PM
Címon Phil

Redsfan6272
08-19-2019, 09:26 PM
the team looks flat.. no energy

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:26 PM
Ervin works a 2 out walk

Just need the blast now

JCM11
08-19-2019, 09:27 PM
I don't want robo umps I just want good umps. We've seen at least a few home plate umps this year that had no clue. The guy tonight isn't even that bad.

WVRedsFan
08-19-2019, 09:28 PM
Reds are swinging at everything

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:28 PM
Hoping Iglesias connects here..
apparently not..:(

RedseatHR
08-19-2019, 09:29 PM
Am I the only one that thinks if they’d take the strike zone box off the screen fewer people would complain about the strike zone

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:30 PM
Not looking great

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:30 PM
Reds are swinging at everythingHappens with lots of strikeouts and behind in a game.. That's not to make excuses, but just how it typically goes.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:30 PM
Am I the only one that thinks if theyíd take the strike zone box off the screen fewer people would complain about the strike zone

Uh....you arenít alone

Jomama
08-19-2019, 09:30 PM
The San Diego Padres have the exact same record as the Reds and are 22.5 games out of first place.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 09:31 PM
I don't want robo umps I just want good umps. We've seen at least a few home plate umps this year that had no clue. The guy tonight isn't even that bad.

There's something wrong when a bad call could determine the outcome of a game.

Why not take steps to prevent that from happening?

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:31 PM
Am I the only one that thinks if they’d take the strike zone box off the screen fewer people would complain about the strike zone

I agree, but then again complaining seems to be the new national pastime.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:31 PM
I don't want robo umps I just want good umps. We've seen at least a few home plate umps this year that had no clue. The guy tonight isn't even that bad.

I don't think there are very many that we'd rate as even good now that we see their performance with the box.

RedseatHR
08-19-2019, 09:31 PM
Oh hooray Peraza in center

DocRed
08-19-2019, 09:32 PM
Sims pitching motion is a lot like Bauers. For a second I thought it was still Bauer out there. Both have short windups but a very violent delivery after that.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:32 PM
Lol take Ervin out.

Go ahead and explain it

DocRed
08-19-2019, 09:34 PM
A comedy of errors...

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:34 PM
I agree, but then again complaining seems to be the new national pastime.

Reducing the complaining on a correctable problem is not the answer!

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:35 PM
Strike out, passed ball and blown throw to 1st


Not Tucker's greatest moment

RedseatHR
08-19-2019, 09:35 PM
Uh....you aren’t alone

Many times the box doesn’t seem to approximate the zone. I don’t know I’m all for a good moan over balls and strikes occasionally but i would rather it be based on a no box screen with a camera in straight away CF

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:36 PM
Good backing up by everyone

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:36 PM
Reaching on a passed ball strikeout.. That's the second time I've seen that this season after not seeing it for several years prior..

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 09:37 PM
Who is this Kevin Barnes that Thom keeps referring to as some sort of baseball guru?

DocRed
08-19-2019, 09:37 PM
Sims is really growing on me..didn't seem fazed at all by that free base runner

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:37 PM
Reaching on a passed ball strikeout.. That's the second time I've seen that this season after not seeing it for several years prior..

Really? I see it a good bit more often than that

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Lol take Ervin out.

Go ahead and explain it

After the pitcher was hit for and their lefty is out, the last Reds righty to hit gets replaced by our new pitcher.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Who is this Kevin Barnes that Thom keeps referring to as some sort of baseball guru?
The guy behind Jason Vargas here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4FpiK8WAAA3X_9.jpg

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:38 PM
Many times the box doesn’t seem to approximate the zone. I don’t know I’m all for a good moan over balls and strikes occasionally but i would rather it be based on a no box screen with a camera in straight away CF
Perhaps the box needs adjusted to reflect the location of the camera and to reflect balls that cross the plate (or not) that we can't see well from our views.. I'm still not in favor of robo umps in the least.. Something that box doesn't take into consideration is the height of batters. A very tall batter vs a very short batter, etc..

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Really? I see it a good bit more often than that

I guess I just miss em.. It's always seems rare to me..

Alabama
08-19-2019, 09:40 PM
1. Ervin
2. Iglesias
4. Aquino
5. Peraza
6. Farmer
7. Galvis
8. Barnhart
Is that the worst lineup in the league? Aquino is the only one who “may” be a future regular as welll. Just uninspiring

Tony Cloninger
08-19-2019, 09:40 PM
I think there is a mandate from whomever pushed the Peraza trade that he must be great again.

Just like a Bengal 1st round pick. They are going to ride that thing to the ground to prove it to everyone how right they are.

mhs95_06
08-19-2019, 09:41 PM
Perhaps the box needs adjusted to reflect the location of the camera and to reflect balls that cross the plate (or not) that we can't see well from our views.. I'm still not in favor of robo umps in the least..

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I guess I just miss em.. It's always seems rare to me..

You could watch some little league baseball if you want to see more!

DocRed
08-19-2019, 09:42 PM
Suarez just trying to hit HR's now.

CrackerJack
08-19-2019, 09:42 PM
If this holds, this will be the Reds' 5th time scoring only 1 run in a game this month, and it's only the 19th.

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:43 PM
Just keep
Striking out.

RedseatHR
08-19-2019, 09:44 PM
Wooo birds coming out of the wooo work

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:46 PM
That AB by Freddy clearly illustrates why his average is so bad on any 2 strike count - no pitcher should ever throw him one in the box with 2 strikes.

What if bases loaded and 3-2 count and winning run on 3rd?

Ironman92
08-19-2019, 09:48 PM
Winker gonna win it

mamell
08-19-2019, 09:49 PM
You could watch some little league baseball if you want to see more!

I'll pass. I have never been a fan of little league since I was a kid playing sandlot and always beating the leagues in our area.. They never could beat our gang living right by the field.. We pretty much owned that field since we were used to all the dips, rocks and other irregularities .. Pretty much just a farmers field back then..

RedTeamGo!
08-19-2019, 09:49 PM
1. Ervin
2. Iglesias
4. Aquino
5. Peraza
6. Farmer
7. Galvis
8. Barnhart
Is that the worst lineup in the league? Aquino is the only one who “may” be a future regular as welll. Just uninspiring

Why did you leave out Suarez?

Never mind, I know the answer.

Tom Servo
08-19-2019, 09:49 PM
If this holds, this will be the Reds' 5th time scoring only 1 run in a game this month, and it's only the 19th.
A real April feel to this one in particular

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 09:50 PM
Thom getting prematurely excited about the upcoming college football season.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 09:50 PM
Bauer now has 215 strikeouts in 2019.

His career high is 221 strikeouts. 2018

Big Klu
08-19-2019, 09:51 PM
The guy behind Jason Vargas here

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4FpiK8WAAA3X_9.jpg

I thought that was Alexander Hamilton!

DocRed
08-19-2019, 09:53 PM
Damn...Sims was dealing tonight. Makes me a little less worried about our BP next year.

Ron Madden
08-19-2019, 09:53 PM
Nice job by Sims tonight

Redsfan6272
08-19-2019, 09:55 PM
now can the offense do Their Job!!???

The Operator
08-19-2019, 09:55 PM
Let's give Yates blown save #4 here

DocRed
08-19-2019, 09:56 PM
Yates is due to give up a HR