Reds @ Pirates 8-23-19

[Ron Madden]

Reds
VanMeter LF
Galvis 2B
Suarez 3B
Aquino RF
Barnhart C
Iglesias SS
Dietrich 1B
Senzel CF
DeSclafani P

Pirates
Newman SS
Reynolds LF
Marte CF
Bell 1B
Moran 3B
Osuna RF
Frazier 2B
Stallings C
Keller P

[WrongVerb]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECrKOHYXkAATSIm?format=jpg&name=small

I really wanted Aquino to be The Punisher. I was ready to buy a replica jersey.

[cumberlandreds]

Good to see Dietrich in there. Hopefully he can hit a HR into the Allegheny and gaze into the night at it.

[Chip R]

Bell has no chill. He's putting DD in there 1st game and trolling Hurdle. :laugh:

[Rolando]

VanMeter LF
Galvis 2B
Suarez 3B
Aquino RF
Barnhart C
Iglesias SS
Dietrich 1B
Senzel CF
DeSclafani P
That's an interesting lineup :-)

[Ron Madden]

The Pittsburgh lineup has been added to the original post

[Ron Madden]

Bell has no chill. He's putting DD in there 1st game and trolling Hurdle. :laugh:

The way Dietrich has been hitting let's hope Hurdle doesn't get the last laugh.

[GADawg]

Bell has no chill. He's putting DD in there 1st game and trolling Hurdle. :laugh:

I was thinking the same thing! I don’t want anything to happen tonight....or do I? I definitely won’t be looking away

[Ron Madden]

For Players Weekend this will be the first MLB event with a league-wide batting helmet. The Rawlings helmets will be decorated in matte black or matte white to further accentuate the uniforms.

They are ugly.

[DocRed]

Cubs getting pounded...yay!

[Kc61]

The way Dietrich has been hitting let's hope Hurdle doesn't get the last laugh.

That was pre-layoff. I doubt DD was out a few weeks without working on his approach. Let’s see if he looks better now.

[JaxRed]

That was pre-layoff. I doubt DD was out a few weeks without working on his approach. Let’s see if he looks better now.

Wow, I thought I was all sunshine and rainbows..... DD hit .182 for Louisville. I'm hoping for the best but not really expectng it.

[KeefeCato]

Tucker in the 5 hole again. Bell loves him some Tucker.

[Kc61]

Wow, I thought I was all sunshine and rainbows..... DD hit .182 for Louisville. I'm hoping for the best but not really expectng it.

I think that was 3 games. Yeah, 11 at bats.

[KeefeCato]

Aquino probably gets drilled first time up for pointing his bat at Hurdles pitcher.

[Rantly]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ECrKOHYXkAATSIm?format=jpg&name=small

I really wanted Aquino to be The Punisher. I was ready to buy a replica jersey.
Noticed last weekend they already have a line of Punisher t-shirts at the gift stores.

[North]

Heh - Yin vs Yang. :p

[Big Klu]

With the great affection between these two clubs, these two should have been the mascots for this weekend:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkrFbI8UcAATCeg.jpg

[RustyJ]

Good thing we made all these fun nicknames no one can read

[Big Klu]

The Reds wore white caps with the 1902, 1912, 1919, 1935, 1936, and 1961 throwback uniforms, and will wear white caps with the 1995 throwbacks -- and the league didn't have a problem with the pitcher wearing a white cap.

[Ron Madden]

The Amazing Aquino!!!

[North]

Well ok.

[Big Klu]

Aquino is now 212th on the Reds' all-time home run list -- tied with 13 other players:

Ethan Allen
Dann Bilardello
Bob Borkowski
Tony Cuccinello
Lenny Harris
Roberto Kelly
Wayne Krenchicki
Hobie Landrith
Hans Lobert
Denis Menke
Bill Plummer
Johnny Pramesa
Frank Thomas

[Ron Madden]

The Reds wore white caps with the 1902, 1912, 1919, 1935, 1936, and 1961 throwback uniforms, and will wear white caps with the 1995 throwbacks -- and the league didn't have a problem with the pitcher wearing a white cap.

I was thinking the same thing. And I can't understand why the league won't let the Reds wear red caps the Cubs wore blue caps with these white uniforms this afternoon.

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Nice DP!

[Big Klu]

Aquino has tied Roberto Kelly for 26th place place among Hispanic players on the Reds' all-time home run list.

1. Tony Perez (Cuba) - 287
2. Eugenio Suarez (Venezuela) - 128
3. Dave Concepcion (Venezuela) - 101
4. Leo Cardenas (Cuba) - 72
5. Edwin Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 71
6. Wily Mo Peña (Dom. Rep.) - 54
7. Cesar Geronimo (Dom. Rep.) - 44
8. Felipe Lopez (Puerto Rico) - 41
9. Bo Diaz (Venezuela) - 39
10. Javier Valentin (Puerto Rico) - 34
11. Cesar Cedeño (Dom. Rep.) - 30
12. Mariano Duncan (Dom. Rep.) - 28
12. Jose Peraza (Venezuela) - 28
14. Jose Guillen (Dom. Rep.) - 27
15. Juan Castro (Mexico) - 25
16. Ramon Hernandez (Venezuela) - 24
17. Eduardo Perez (USA/Puerto Rico) - 23
18. Yasiel Puig (Cuba) - 22
19. Alex Ochoa (USA/Cuba) - 20
20. Luis Quiñones (Puerto Rico) - 19
20. Benito Santiago (Puerto Rico) - 19
20. D'Angelo Jimenez (Dom. Rep.) - 19
20. Alex Gonzalez (Venezuela) - 19
24. Juan Encarnacion (Dom. Rep.) - 16
25. Miguel Cairo (Venezuela) - 13
26. Roberto Kelly (Panama) - 12
26. Aristides Aquino (Dom. Rep.) - 12
28. Ruben Rivera (Panama) - 10

[Big Klu]

3-6-yessiree-3!

[Big Klu]

These are the worst baseball uniforms I have ever seen.

[ScotlandRed]

These uniforms and helmets are so so bad.

[Big Klu]

I was thinking the same thing. And I can't understand why the league won't let the Reds wear red caps the Cubs wore blue caps with these white uniforms this afternoon.

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Nice DP!

So the Reds players wanted to wear red caps with this abomination of a uniform, but since it is Players' Weekend, MLB told them no -- they had to wear the white caps.

[SomeCallMeTim]

These are the worst baseball uniforms I have ever seen.

Looks like the milkmen vs. the Johnny Cash 9.

[SomeCallMeTim]

Must score runs, I cannot accept defeat against this scum and villany.

[mbgrayson]

Disco throws a three pitch third inning. Nice.

[JaxRed]

Looks like the milkmen vs. the Johnny Cash 9.

I thought it was the Will Smith Men in Black

[Ron Madden]

So the Reds players wanted to wear red caps with this abomination of a uniform, but since it is Players' Weekend, MLB told them no -- they had to wear the white caps.

Yes, according to Jim Day.

[Big Klu]

Looks like the milkmen vs. the Johnny Cash 9.

The Reds look like Stormtroopers.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/fc/Stormtrooper_Corps.png/revision/latest?cb=20130318061027

[SomeCallMeTim]

I thought it was the Will Smith Men in Black

Also good...

[SomeCallMeTim]

The Reds look like Stormtroopers.

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/f/fc/Stormtrooper_Corps.png/revision/latest?cb=20130318061027

These aren’t the uniforms you’re looking for....

https://images.app.goo.gl/T1mEkomiqeQtnJQC9

[757690]

Jim also reporting Aquino wanted “Punisher” as his nickname but the league said no. So he went with PJ, which stands for “Punisher Junior”

[Big Klu]

Jim also reporting Aquino wanted “Punisher” as his nickname but the league said no. So he went with PJ, which stands for “Punisher Junior”

Why not? Possible trademark violation with Marvel?

https://images.imgbox.com/06/e9/8oqJBRk4_o.jpg

[757690]

So the Reds players wanted to wear red caps with this abomination of a uniform, but since it is Players' Weekend, MLB told them no -- they had to wear the white caps.

Cubs wore blue hats today. MLB is full of it.

[Big Klu]

Cubs wore blue hats today. MLB is full of it.

MLB is really playing up the "Spy vs. Spy" dynamic between the Reds and Pirates this weekend.

[The Operator]

Got him!

Disco works out of the jam. I was a little scared there considering his trouble this year with 2 outs.

[Norm Chortleton]

Wish we could get this cf camera angle every game. Why the home teams love them some left center field camera, I'll never know

[Tom Servo]

That was a smart walk by Disco to Moran, much rather face the RH hitter than give anything to Moran. And it works out perfectly.

[The Operator]

Cubs wore blue hats today. MLB is full of it.

Just goes to show that players weekend is 100% a marketing strategy in the eyes of MLB and not really at all for the players. Which isn't surprising unfortunately.

[Ron Madden]

Per #Reds
Since his 8/1 promotion, rookie Aquino leads all ML batters in HR (12), RBI (24) and slugging percentage.

[gagliano]

For Players Weekend this will be the first MLB event with a league-wide batting helmet. The Rawlings helmets will be decorated in matte black or matte white to further accentuate the uniforms.

They are ugly.

what in god's name? i feel like i'm watching "spy v. spy." not watching this one

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For Players Weekend this will be the first MLB event with a league-wide batting helmet. The Rawlings helmets will be decorated in matte black or matte white to further accentuate the uniforms.

They are ugly.
looks like someone tried to paint over the reds uni and didnt add a second coat. hideous. waste of $$

[gagliano]

For Players Weekend this will be the first MLB event with a league-wide batting helmet. The Rawlings helmets will be decorated in matte black or matte white to further accentuate the uniforms.

They are ugly.

hell, shirts and skins would make more sense

[Big Klu]

Dietrich should have gotten a white first baseman's mitt.

[JaxRed]

hell, shirts and skins would make more sense

Derek Dietrich chooses skins...

[JaxRed]

Galvis singles and gets first hit by non- rookie.

[Tom Servo]

To echo the announcers, Suarez's strikeouts are becoming a concern

[WVRedsFan]

Geno may set the record for least pitches taken to strike out.

[Big Klu]

Surez may set the record for least pitches taken to strike out.

Two?

[WVRedsFan]

Three in 4AB's

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds with 4 hits and 1 run through 6 innings off Cy Keller who started the game with over an 8.00 ERA.

[WVRedsFan]

Reds with 4 hits and 1 run through 6 innings off Cy Keller who started the game with over an 8.00 ERA.Yes. Not a good omen.

[Wonderful Monds]

What’s the 45 patch on the Reds jerseys there?

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Wait why is Disco wearing a black hat? I’m so damn confused.

[JaxRed]

When you know Bell is looking for a reason to pull you, you need to throw strikes.

[The Operator]

Well this isn't good.

First two runners reach in the 6th

[Tadasimha]

Cubs wore blue hats today. MLB is full of it.

Rangers have the white uniforms in Chicago but Lance Lynn, their pitcher has the players weekend blackhat on.

I like the white batting helmets

[redsrule2500]

It looks like the pitchers have to for some reason?!

[Wonderful Monds]

Rangers have the white uniforms in Chicago but Lance Lynn, their pitcher has the players weekend blackhat on

That’s what Disco is doing in this game. No idea why. This whole thing is so stupid lol

[50YrRedsFan]

To echo the announcers, Suarez's strikeouts are becoming a concern

Suarez now #2 (148) in K's in MLB

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These white uni's make it feel like we're at a polo match.

[redsrule2500]

That’s what Disco is doing in this game. No idea why. This whole thing is so stupid lol
All pitchers have black hats. Not sure why.

[sdm24]

They talked about it before the game. They said MLB was making him wear a black hat because they thought batters might lose the ball because of his hat.
I watched the cub game earlier today and I am pretty sure that Lester had a white hat but I could be wrong.

[The Operator]

Looooong fly ball from kosh bell asvances both runners

1 out

[Tadasimha]

It looks like the pitchers have to for some reason?!

Ah, maybe they're worried about the ball being hidden from the batter, blending in with the hat?

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They talked about it before the game. They said MLB was making him wear a black hat because they thought batters might lose the ball because of his hat.
I watched the cub game earlier today and I am pretty sure that Lester had a white hat but I could be wrong.

He had the regular blue cub hat

[Ironman92]

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[The Operator]

Ground ball ties the game

1-1

2 outs

[Big Klu]

All pitchers have black hats. Not sure why.

Because they are bad guys.

[RR1971]

The 6th inning has just killed us this year. I dread it every game.

[Wonderful Monds]

They talked about it before the game. They said MLB was making him wear a black hat because they thought batters might lose the ball because of his hat.
I watched the cub game earlier today and I am pretty sure that Lester had a white hat but I could be wrong.

Huh, that makes sense I guess in context. But only underscores how stupid these unis are in the first place.

[The Operator]

Inning over but the Hurdle turdles tie it up

1-1

[sdm24]

They also said the reds wanted to wear the same hats so they wanted to all wear red hats and MLB said NO!

[adkindo]

garbage hit by Marte is what caused the problem

[Tadasimha]

All right, that could have gone a lot worse. Get a few more, guys!

[Ron Madden]

They talked about it before the game. They said MLB was making him wear a black hat because they thought batters might lose the ball because of his hat.
I watched the cub game earlier today and I am pretty sure that Lester had a white hat but I could be wrong.

I watched the game today, all the Cubs wore their blue hats

[Tadasimha]

Suarez now #2 (148) in K's in MLB

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These white uni's make it feel like we're at a polo match.

It's cricket, ol' chap! We're on the 3rd Test! Cheers!

[50YrRedsFan]

It's cricket, ol' chap! We're on the 3rd Test! Cheers!

Cricket, grasshopper, or whatever. :laugh:

[adkindo]

Disco may snag a win after all

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why are we pulling Disco after 80 pitches?

[JaxRed]

I would sub out Ervin for DD here

[davereds24]

Should have sent Tucker on that single and hoped the LF would throw the ball in the dugout.

[JaxRed]

Not yanking DD there was bad managing

[adkindo]

Dietrich and Senzel should be embarrassed

[50YrRedsFan]

Disco may snag a win after all

You might have spoken too soon


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why are we pulling Disco after 80 pitches?

Bell's way or the highway.

[Big Klu]

Not yanking DD there was bad managing

Why? The Pirates brought in another right-handed pitcher. Who were you replacing him with?

[757690]

Can any remember the last base hit Dietrich got?

[RR1971]

Runner on third with no outs and two Ks. That’s just pitiful and has been an issue all year. To make it worse the Pirates executed it last inning.

[50YrRedsFan]

Can any remember the last base hit Dietrich got?

I think it was March 29

[davereds24]

I put those types of ABs on Turner Ward. How do they not have an approach to make contact and go the other way.

[The Operator]

Well that was one hell of a wasted opportunity.

Damn

[adkindo]

he had no chance....could tell when he stepped in the box

[RR1971]

That was awful.

[The Operator]

Aquino and Van Meter are both holding their own but O'Grady has looked pretty overmatched

[adkindo]

who else did we have on the bench to pinch hit? I would send Lorenzen up there before O'Grady

[WVRedsFan]

Why in the name of all that's holy would you pinch O'Grady, who is batting.091 in that situation?

[mamell]

Turrible turrible turrible.. Jeeez Louise..

[50YrRedsFan]

That was a tutorial on how not to get a runner in from 3rd. Embarrassing to say the least.

[Redeye fly]

Sometimes you can only laugh.

[RR1971]

People can talk about all our one run losses and bad luck but it isn’t bad luck. It’s a lack of execution in those types of situations.

[757690]

I feel like I’m watching a baseball game being played on an Atari arcade in 1988.

[mamell]

I'm ok letting O'Grady hit.. He did the exact same thing the two previous batters did. He won't hit .083 forever..

[The Operator]

Oh Jesus Geno

[Rolando]

Nick senzel is becoming a bad hitter

[Ironman92]

Embarrassing.

Ridiculous

Senzel looks like a lost puppy


Ervin must have broken off a wedding with a Bell daughter or something

Dietrich is a great dude....will he ever get another hit?

Sorry Disco

[Tadasimha]

I put those types of ABs on Turner Ward. How do they not have an approach to make contact and go the other way.

I would rather they bring back JR House than Ward next year

[adkindo]

I'm ok letting O'Grady hit.. He did the exact same thing the two previous batters did. He won't hit .083 forever..

no, he will probably be around .075 after his next at bat

[RR1971]

Did he come off the bag? I just caught the end of the replay.

[Big Klu]

Barnhart should have all-white catching gear.

[mamell]

Slid right off the base and not challenged.. They deserve to lose this one.

[Wonderful Monds]

Hate to be a kneejerk guy, but after a good start, Senzel hasn’t exactly had the most inspiring rookie season.

[mamell]

Indeed he did and Iglesias or Galvis knew it and yet not challenged. :angry:...meant to quote you there RR

[Ironman92]

Suarez since that lead off HR a few games ago feels like Edwin Encarnacion during his aloof and hard to watch spells

[mamell]

Did he come off the bag? I just caught the end of the replay.

Indeed he did and Iglesias or Galvis knew it and yet not challenged.

[RR1971]

He needs more power. I’m not down on him yet. Winker is the one who I’ve about given up on.

[The Operator]

Melky Roids Cabrera pinch hits

[RR1971]

Indeed he did and Iglesias or Galvis knew it and yet not challenged.

Looked obvious to me but I caught it out of the corner of my eye so I thought I may have missed something

[Wonderful Monds]

He needs more power. I’m not down on him yet. Winker is the one who I’ve about given up on.

Winker has an .830 OPS right now

[adkindo]

I know it is a little "get off my lawn"....but it aggravates me to see Geno over there goofing off with Frazier after the inexcusable error he just made

[RR1971]

He is a platoon player that can’t hit LH pitching. He was supposed to be the future of the franchise. That’s disappointing.

[The Operator]

Hell of a job by Bob to work around Geno's error

Sure could use some offense

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He is a platoon player that can’t hit LH pitching. He was supposed to be the future of the franchise. That’s disappointing.

Jesse Winker has never once been billed as the future of this franchise

[Mutaman]

If only we would get rid of Turner Ward (whoever he is) I believe everything would be all right.

[Big Klu]

Stephenson says "I got this," and picks up his teammates. Good job.

[ScotlandRed]

Bob has looked good recently

[Rolando]

I know it is a little "get off my lawn"....but it aggravates me to see Geno over there goofing off with Frazier after the inexcusable error he just made
I agree and I'm not usually like that but when you drop a ball a six-year-old could catch then you shouldn't be laughing

[RR1971]

Hell of a job by Bob to work around Geno's error

Sure could use some offense

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Jesse Winker has never once been billed as the future of this franchise

He was the guy everybody was waiting on. Top 30 MLb prospect. Three years later he’s a platoon player. Those are facts.

[The Operator]

I'd like to see a 600 for homer off Kela this inning.

Screw him

[Ironman92]

Sucking for two months > a good OPS for the season

[Rolando]

He was the guy everybody was waiting on. Top 30 MLb prospect. Three years later he’s a platoon player. Those are facts.

What in the world could Winker have done wrong tonight?

[Redeye fly]

I don't like that kind of thing either but when it's the batter who hit it and the fielder who should have caught it I can understand them laughing a little as both were probably wondering what the odds were of something like that happening.It's a game in late August between one team hoping things go a bit better next year while holding some faint hope of something happening this year and the other team probably wondering who's managing them next year.

[The Operator]

He was the guy everybody was waiting on. Top 30 MLb prospect. Three years later he’s a platoon player. Those are facts.

No, he wasn't. People have been dumping on him his entire way through the minor leagues.


He's in his second full year and Bell barely gives him a chance to hit against lefties. Declaring him s platoon player already as super premature.

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Come on Geno make up for that error in a big way

[RR1971]

What in the world could Winker have done wrong tonight?
Maybe you should go back and read the post.

[The Operator]

Lol Geno calls a late timeout

I hate that usually but against Kela I'm okay with it

[RR1971]

No, he wasn't. People have been dumping on him his entire way through the minor leagues.


He's in his second full year and Bell barely gives him a chance to hit against lefties. Declaring him s platoon player already as super premature.

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Come on Geno make up for that error in a big way
He was the top player in the franchise and a top 30 prospect. There were expectations. The Reds have made him a platoon player so if you want to argue give them a call.

[The Operator]

Geno with the sombrero


Man he's scuffling right now

[adkindo]

is Geno high or something?

[The Operator]

He was the top player in the franchise and a top 30 prospect. There were expectations. The Reds have made him a platoon player so if you want to argue give them a call.

I could be way wrong here but I don't remember Jesse Winker ever making a top 30 prospect list in MLB.


Could you be referring to The Reds top 30 list? Cause that's way different.

[Tony Cloninger]

Lack of patience continues to amaze and delight me. Please look at your own Reds history for hitters who have struggled or looked to be unable to amount to anything. Let alone MLB history for just the last 40 years.

[mamell]

Suarez is dead in the water. I know a lot of people love him, but the Reds could do better. I could see it if he hit 45 HRs, but he hasn't hit enough to make up for these endless strikeouts. He's not even close right now.

[RR1971]

I could be way wrong here but I don't remember Jesse Winker ever making a top 30 prospect list in MLB.


Could you be referring to The Reds top 30 list? Cause that's way different.
There’s a thing called google.

[The Operator]

Suarez is dead in the water. I know a lot of people love him, but the Reds could do better. I could see it if he hit 45 HRs, but he hasn't hit enough to make up for these endless strikeouts. He's not even close right now.
He's on pace for 40 homers and 100 RBI


He's ina slump. He'll be okayz

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Aquino!!!

2-1 Reds!!!!


Suck it, Kela!!

[adkindo]

Aquino is just a stud

[Tadasimha]

Aquino Bambino!

[adkindo]

Aquino needs a triple!

[mamell]

Well, I'll be darned.. Didn't expect that..

[The Operator]

There’s a thing called google.

Couldn't care less, you really aren't worth the effort.


Either way, people on this very site have been crapping on Winker since long before he ever even reach the big leagues. Was he viewed as a *part* of the future? Sure. But I've never read anyone on here referring to him as *the* future or as any kind of savior.


I know this is all a part of your schtick though, so we can just let it go.

[Kingspoint]

Just returning from vacationing all week in Colorado and this is pretty nice to get back to.

[mamell]

He's on pace for 40 homers and 100 RBI


He's ina slump. He'll be okayz

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Ehhh..probably right, but it's frustrating.

[North]

Tuck...everlasting.

[malcontent]

Whoever thought we'd be intently watching each Aristedes Aquino plate appearance in 2019?

[RR1971]

Couldn't care less, you really aren't worth the effort.


Either way, people on this very site have been crapping on Winker since long before he ever even reach the big leagues. Was he viewed as a *part* of the future? Sure. But I've never read anyone on here referring to him as *the* future or as any kind of savior.


I know this is all a part of your schtick though, so we can just let it go.

You’re just wrong. He was a top 30 prospect and the reds consider him as a platoon player.

[The Operator]

Ehhh..probably right, but it's frustrating.

That's for sure. He'll bounce back though.

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You’re just wrong. He was a top 30 prospect and the reds consider him as a platoon player.

Then maybe that's more of an indictment on the people making the prospect lists than it is Jesse Winker.


I don't know why I keep feeding you, lol.

[The Operator]

Whoever thought we'd be intently watching each Aristedes Aquino plate appearance in 2019?

Things like that are what I love about baseball.


The whole "out of nowhere" aspect can be a lot of fun.

[mamell]

Barny trying to run? That's scary..

[adkindo]

is Bob Steve coming back out for 8th?

[Wonderful Monds]

He was the guy everybody was waiting on. Top 30 MLb prospect. Three years later he’s a platoon player. Those are facts.

He was never a top 30 prospect. I think he was at most in the 90s.

[Rolando]

He was never a top 30 prospect. I think he was at most in the 90s.

That doesn't fit the narrative :-)

[The Operator]

He was never a top 30 prospect. I think he was at most in the 90s.

That's what I'm remembering too.

I posed the question but I was told I had to do the research and he's not worth that kind of effort.


I'd be shocked if he's not remembering Winker being a Reds top 30 prospect, not an MLB top 30 guy.

[RR1971]

That's for sure. He'll bounce back though.

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I posted facts and you’re just posting what this board said five years ago. He was a top 30 prospect ahead of Gleyber Torres, Ozzie Albies, Blake Snell, Tim Anderson and many others.


Then maybe that's more of an indictment on the people making the prospect lists than it is Jesse Winker.


I don't know why I keep feeding you, lol.

[mamell]

Kind of glad Pirates took Feliz out of the game after K'ing the side like they were all 9 year olds up to bat..

[RR1971]

That's what I'm remembering too.

I posed the question but I was told I had to do the research and he's not worth that kind of effort.


I'd be shocked if he's not remembering Winker being a Reds top 30 prospect, not an MLB top 30 guy.

[The Operator]

That doesn't fit the narrative :-)

That's really what it boils down to.

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Hell of a play by Iglesias!

2 down

[Wonderful Monds]

That's what I'm remembering too.

I posed the question but I was told I had to do the research and he's not worth that kind of effort.


I'd be shocked if he's not remembering Winker being a Reds top 30 prospect, not an MLB top 30 guy.

Same. I like Jesse as a player, but he was never viewed as a franchise savior. If anyone had him ranked top 30, they were the outlier, he was never a consensus anything more than like lower top 100 guy.

[Tadasimha]

Be like that some more, Amir

[Big Klu]

Good dig by Dietrich.

[RR1971]

I just googled it. Pretty easy to find on MLb.com. He was 27 In 2015. You just don’t want to look because you’re wrong.

[mamell]

Apparently Garrett's forgotten where the strike zone is...Of course he gets an out as I type this..

[adkindo]

That's what I'm remembering too.

I posed the question but I was told I had to do the research and he's not worth that kind of effort.


I'd be shocked if he's not remembering Winker being a Reds top 30 prospect, not an MLB top 30 guy.

he was #27 in MLB in 2015

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=prospects

[Tony Cloninger]

Winker May have been close to that prior to his numerous injuries in the minors. But he was always lacking the defense side of his game. Let alone speed. To be a Top 30. Now Kajagoogoo. That’s Top 30 material right there.

[The Operator]

Hell of a job by Garrett!


Mlove seeig him now down their hitters while Kela is in line for the loss.

[North]

No essays from the announcing team tonight. :D

[Wonderful Monds]

I just googled it. Pretty easy to find on MLb.com. He was 27 In 2015. You just don’t want to look because you’re wrong.

Ok, so one list by a site that’s pretty bad at ranking prospects had him ranked that high. That still doesn’t challenge the notion that he wasn’t ever a consensus top 30 guy.

Which - that might have even been a good ranking for him, because a guy hitting .830 in his second full season is pretty good all things considered.

[RR1971]

he was #27 in MLB in 2015

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=prospects
These people just don’t want facts. He was a top 30 guy and the broadcast team talked him up for years. He was on the reds caravan when he was in single A.

[Wonderful Monds]

These people just don’t want facts. He was a top 30 guy and the broadcast team talked him up for years. He was on the reds caravan when he was in single A.

ah well damn if the Reds broadcast geniuses had him pegged as the future of the organization who am I to dispute them

[The Operator]

he was #27 in MLB in 2015

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2015?list=prospects

Jose Peraza being #24 on that list tells me all I need to know about it.


I still maintain that no knowledgeable Reds fans were crossing him as any sort of savior. People have been bagging on the guy around here for years.

[adkindo]

These people just don’t want facts. He was a top 30 guy and the broadcast team talked him up for years. He was on the reds caravan when he was in single A.

I do not know anything about how he was viewed on RZ, but I recall a few years ago when I was getting back into watching the Reds on a daily basis......many of my friends that are fans of other teams mentioned him often.

[RR1971]

Ok, so one list by a site that’s pretty bad at ranking prospects had him ranked that high. That still doesn’t challenge the notion that he wasn’t ever a consensus top 30 guy.

Which - that might have even been a good ranking for him, because a guy hitting .830 in his second full season is pretty good all things considered.

His OPs is 443 vs LH pitching.

[The Operator]

These people just don’t want facts. He was a top 30 guy and the broadcast team talked him up for years. He was on the reds caravan when he was in single A.

That's 1 list, and it had Jose Peraza even further ahead of him.


You're neat.

[Wonderful Monds]

His OPs is 443 vs LH pitching.

Don’t care. It’s 50 PA’s and they never give him a chance to hit against them.

[adkindo]

damnit....thought Ervin got that

[Rolando]

These people just don’t want facts. He was a top 30 guy and the broadcast team talked him up for years. He was on the reds caravan when he was in single A.

What the flip does this have to do with the game being played right now

[ScotlandRed]

I’m pretty sure Stephenson and Winker were consensus top 40/50 guys at one point.

[The Operator]

Don’t care. It’s 50 PA’s and they never give him a chance to hit against them.

They're basically turning it into a self fulfilling prophecy.

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What the flip does this have to do with the game being played right now

Literally nothing.


But that's how this guy operates. If The Reds aren't losing and he doesn't have the ability to troll in that manner, he'll find something else like this.

[RR1971]

Jose Peraza being #24 on that list tells me all I need to know about it.


I still maintain that no knowledgeable Reds fans were crossing him as any sort of savior. People have been bagging on the guy around here for years.
It doesn’t matter who was on the list and I’ve never said the lists were good. My post said he was billed as a franchise player and the reds have decided he’s a platoon player. My post was also in response to a post about someone being disappointed in Senzel. I understand my ID says Alabama and Ohio State sucks and Alabama is the GOAT but come on, I’m right on this one.

[The Operator]

Please be good Raisel tonight


Pleeeeaaassseee be good Raisel

[adkindo]

time for Oliver to bring the heat

[Roy Tucker]

Feel like I’m watching a black and white TV.

[Wonderful Monds]

I’m pretty sure Stephenson and Winker were consensus top 40/50 guys at one point.

This is closer to being right than calling him a “top 30” guy. BA and BP had him ranked 47 and 44 in 2015 and then 51 and 50 in 2016. He then dropped down to 98/91 after that. And he’s now playing pretty much in line with those projections.

[RR1971]

Don’t care. It’s 50 PA’s and they never give him a chance to hit against them.

And that what professional baseball people who made that decision.

[Rolando]

It doesn’t matter who was on the list and I’ve never said the lists were good. My post said he was billed as a franchise player and the reds have decided he’s a platoon player. My post was also in response to a post about someone being disappointed in Senzel. I understand my ID says Alabama and Ohio State sucks and Alabama is the GOAT but come on, I’m right on this one.
College football sucks so I could care less

[adkindo]

College football sucks so I could care less

it is going to be hard to not view your posts with skepticism after that statement

[The Operator]

It doesn’t matter who was on the list and I’ve never said the lists were good. My post said he was billed as a franchise player and the reds have decided he’s a platoon player. My post was also in response to a post about someone being disappointed in Senzel. I understand my ID says Alabama and Ohio State sucks and Alabama is the GOAT but come on, I’m right on this one.

Being on a prospect list and being viewed as a franchise player are two very different things.


But I digress, there's a game going on.

[JaxRed]

Why? The Pirates brought in another right-handed pitcher. Who were you replacing him with?

Was monitoring game on phone. Just assumed they brought in a lefty. Nevermind.......

[Roy Tucker]

Iglesias gives up a lot of 0-2 hits.

[The Operator]

Leadoff single to Colin Moran



Come on Iggy

[RR1971]

ah well damn if the Reds broadcast geniuses had him pegged as the future of the organization who am I to dispute them

It was Mlb.com and the broadcast team doesn’t send people out on the caravan. He was billed as a top player. He’ll be was a first round pick.

[The Operator]

And another hit. Crap.

[adkindo]

need a couple K's now

[Tom Servo]

It was Mlb.com and the broadcast team doesn’t send people out on the caravan. He was billed as a top player. He’ll be was a first round pick.
I used to think you had a little more integrity than Alabama but you’re really as dumb of a troll as he is.

[Tadasimha]

Cmon, Raisel - shut them down!

[gagliano]

That’s what Disco is doing in this game. No idea why. This whole thing is so stupid lol

the rule is: pitcher wears black hat on friday during waning moon phase. pitcher wears white hat M-th unless left handed, in which they have their choice. if pitcher chooses white hat, opposing manager has option to use "paint it black" for all walkup music. unless it's cloudy.

[RR1971]

Being on a prospect list and being viewed as a franchise player are two very different things.


But I digress, there's a game going on.
In other words you’re wrong but now you want to watch the game.

[Redsfan6272]

We have to lead tge leauge at giving up 0-2 hits!!!. Why not call the next pitch in the dirt or out of the strike zone??

[gagliano]

They talked about it before the game. They said MLB was making him wear a black hat because they thought batters might lose the ball because of his hat.
I watched the cub game earlier today and I am pretty sure that Lester had a white hat but I could be wrong.

it didnt do him any good

[The Operator]

Jesus H


Third batter in a row reaches. Tie game.


Bad Raisel in the house

[Tom Servo]

This sucks man

[adkindo]

bring in MiLo

[Redsfan6272]

Hamilton catches that

[PuffyPig]

Jesus H


Third batter in a row reaches. Tie game.


Bad Raisel in the house

Really zero well hit balls though.


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[Roy Tucker]

Ugh. Pirates luckier than ****.

[Tadasimha]

Dang it!

[757690]

Bad Raisel was due.

[The Operator]

I guess the guys didn't get Iglesias' memo that in addition to tie games, he also doesn't do 1 run leads.

Need 2-3 runs.

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Really zero well hit balls though.


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[Ironman92]

To not striking out...

[Redsfan6272]

Watch the bunt!!!

[The Operator]

God I hate Clint Hurdle's smirky face.

[Jomama]

More bad luck for the Reds.

[The Operator]

Welp


Pirates walk it off


That sucked. That really sucked.


Another loss for Iglesias

[Powel Crosley]

Was almost expecting this. Watch us get swept.

[Roy Tucker]

Well that blows.

[North]

Iggy...

Oh well there is tomorrow.

[Redsfan6272]

Yep shows the Reds are not yet close to being a contending team. Cant put away bad teams and offense is inconsistent

[Tom Servo]

More bad luck for the Reds.
Thanks for dropping in man, I’m sure this made your night.

[The Operator]

The only out recorded by Iglesias was on a sacrifice bunt

[50YrRedsFan]

Just a very poor team. Clean house (except for a very few) and try again.

[adkindo]

if there was ever one we did not deserve to win....this would be it.....should have hung 5-7 runs on them tonight

[SomeCallMeTim]

9 losses by our closer. 9.

[adkindo]

Just a very poor team. Clean house (except for a very few) and try again.

there is a near 0% chance they will be cleaning house :confused:

[Rolando]

Another horribly managed game

[50YrRedsFan]

9 losses by our closer. 9.

Hoover was 1-10 a few years ago. Maybe Raisel can eclipse that mark.

[WVRedsFan]

This is what I feared. Told the wife that the Pirates would come out trying to prove a point and our guys would be cocky. I also said they had to go into the night with at least a 3-run lead. They didn't and thus the result. The Reds didn't have the killer attitude tonight. Suarez flailing away. Everyone was killings this team and we fell flat. Hope they wake up tomorrow.

[Tom Servo]

Another horribly managed game
The strikeouts in scoring positions and Iglesias blowing a save don’t strike me as managerial issues but alright

[Wheelhouse]

The game was lost in the seventh with neither Dietrich, Senzel or O'Grady able to put the bat on the ball. It was like a bad inning on a video game. Also, Geno needs a break. Flat offense.

[Alabama]

Bunch of losers

[M2]

We will no longer speak of this game. It never happened.

[The Operator]

Pretty alarming when your closer is approaching 10 losses.

Some of it is on the offense early making every game excruciatingly close and leaving no margin for error, but still. He's just been at the center of so many losin games.

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Bunch of losers

Oh good, we got Alabama's take on the game.

[Norm Chortleton]

9 losses by our closer. 9.7 more to tie Gene Garber

[Rolando]

The strikeouts in scoring positions and Iglesias blowing a save don’t strike me as managerial issues but alright

Aren't there things he could have done differently

[WVRedsFan]

Bunch of losers

Hardly. The Reds have done well compared to the previous 5 years. A team just short of .500? Maybe, but no way they are a bunchof losers.

[The Operator]

Hoover was 1-10 a few years ago. Maybe Raisel can eclipse that mark.

At least they didn't sign Hoover to a 3-year contract extension for over 20 million the year before he put that line up.



They've gotta fix the offense and bullpen this winter.

[Tony Cloninger]

This is the managers fault?

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-pirates/2019/08/23/566243#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=566243

[DocRed]

Start playing for draft picks

[texasdave]

The Reds have scored 95 runs in the month of August, and the Punisher has been responsible for 30 of them. :eek:

[DocRed]

Putrid offense

[Rolando]

This is the managers fault?
Yes it is you can't keep losing one run games and letting the Clint hurdle own you

[Tony Cloninger]

Hardly. The Reds have done well compared to the previous 5 years. A team just short of .500? Maybe, but no way they are a bunchof losers.


Alabama has spoken! Dare not say nay on what Alabama states.

[WVRedsFan]

This is the managers fault?

No. This was a case of inspiration vs. making bad decisions by the offense. Some of the pitches Senzel and Suarez swung at were totally out of the zone. Keller's ERA now 7.24. Everyone was beating him to death.

[North]

The strikeouts in scoring positions and Iglesias blowing a save don’t strike me as managerial issues but alright

Yes, but pinch hitting with BOG at an important time was a head-scratcher.