Reds @ Cardinals Game Two 8-31-19

[Ron Madden]

Reds
VanMeter LF
Votto 1B
Suarez 3B
Aquino RF
Senzel CF
Iglesias SS
Farmer 2B
Gray P
Casali C

Cardinals
Fowler RF
Wong 2B
Goldschmidt 1B
Ozuna LF
DeJong SS
Edman 3B
Wieters C
Bader CF
Wacha P

[Ironman92]

Gray bats 8th so he can sacrifice bunt or something

[mhs95_06]

A couple days ago when I looked, Gray was tied for the top spot in sacrifices with 12, the 3 others in the top 5 who weren't position players were all Dodgers.

[Buffalo1979]

Galvis isn't in the lineup but he has cooled off he's on a 0-17 streak. Hopefully he picks it back up and quick!

[Ron Madden]

JVM Goes Deep!!!!

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Joey with a single!

[RedseatHR]

JVM gives Gray all he needs

[Fil3232]

Can our corner OFs play a ball on the ground?

[Ron Madden]

Good play to nail the runner at the plate

[RedseatHR]

House giving instructions to cardinals base runners at third

[Indymoon]

I don’t normally like playing Infield in early this in the game, but it actually works because Cards too aggressive.

[Ron Madden]

Ball 4 was a strike

[RedseatHR]

Dodged one there in the first.

[Ron Madden]

Reds 1
Cards 0

After 1 inning

[JaxRed]

Galvis isn't in the lineup but he has cooled off he's on a 0-17 streak. Hopefully he picks it back up and quick!

He also grabbed his hamstring in first game.

[Ron Madden]

Reds 1
Cards 0
At the end of 2innings

Sonny has already thrown 37 pitches

[RedseatHR]

His pitch count always seems to run high. I have no data to support this, just a feeling I get everytime he pitches

[Ron Madden]

BANG! Joey Goes BOOM!!!

[RedseatHR]

Boy Joey gave that one a ride. I didn’t see it off the bat but it just kept going

[Ron Madden]

Good Catch Aquino!!!

[Fil3232]

Joey pulls to within 1 HR of Aquino for the season. Lol. Puts AA’s month in perspective.

[Ron Madden]

Reds 2
Cards 0

After 3 innings

[Buffalo1979]

I'm surprised Gray doesn't have a SO yet!

[Ron Madden]

Reds 2
Cards 0
After 4 innings

[Alabama]

Done with Bama festivities. They are still head and shoulders above the rest of the sport along with Clemson.
What have Senzels at bats looked like? Seems like he’s been awful outside of one big game a week ago.

[Tadasimha]

14 pitch inning, gives Gray 60 through four. 15 pitch average, should be good for a few more innings unless things get out of hand

[Ron Madden]

Whew! Thought that was gone

[RedlegsFanatic]

Wow that Bauer trade is really working out excellent!!

0-4 11.78 last 4 starts

SWEET!

[Ron Madden]

Reds 2
Cards 0
At the end of 5 innings

[adkindo]

Done with Bama festivities. They are still head and shoulders above the rest of the sport along with Clemson.
What have Senzels at bats looked like? Seems like he’s been awful outside of one big game a week ago.

Clemson better. The entire school, fanbase and state of Alabama should be embarrassed about the extremely weak schedule.

[Alabama]

Clemson better. The entire school, fanbase and state of Alabama should be embarrassed about the extremely weak schedule.

Lol is this trash talk? There’s only about 3 or 4 teams we get up for anymore. If you want to know what domination of a sport looks like, look no further than the Tides dynasty

[Tadasimha]

Oh, nice quick inning, Sonny

[Ron Madden]

Reds 2
Cards 0

After 6 innings

[mhs95_06]

Wow that Bauer trade is really working out excellent!!

0-4 11.78 last 4 starts

SWEET!

About the time he hit the 3000 pitch mark for the season, looks like he may have cratered!

[RedseatHR]

It’s seems like Bell has a super util role in mind for JVM. Plays like that make it hard to envision

[Ron Madden]

Great Catch Senzel !!!

[adkindo]

Sonny owes Senzel a steak dinner.....and VanMeter should pay for it

[Wonderful Monds]

Senzel 100% smashed his soft parts on that catch somehow lol

[Tadasimha]

Roll two, boys (not you, Nick)

[Ron Madden]

Good pitch

[Kc61]

2-1 ball game, that’s it for Sonny, another fine outing.

[Ron Madden]

Bloop hit scored a run that's all for Sonny tonight. Amir Garrett now on the mound for the Reds.

[Tadasimha]

Dexter Fowler is the straw that stirs the drink in a playoff push

[HammerTime]

From @MLBbarrelalert

Harrison Bader (16) off RHP Sonny Gray (26) - 106.1 mph, 23 degrees (397 ft Flyout, .940 xBA)
85.3 mph Slider
#Reds @ #STLCards (B7) https://t.co/TqXWr0PY6P

[Ron Madden]

Good Job Amir !!!

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Reds 2
Cards 1
After 7 innings

[Indymoon]

Why not double switch there and keep option of pitching Amir another inning?

[Ron Madden]

Not a very good AB from Ervin right there

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Lorenzen now pitching for the Reds

[Ron Madden]

Got him!

[757690]

The game is set up for Raisel to pitch the ninth in a save situation. Just what he’s been asking for.

[adkindo]

Lol is this trash talk? There’s only about 3 or 4 teams we get up for anymore. If you want to know what domination of a sport looks like, look no further than the Tides dynasty

No doubt....and I will talk up Nick Saban to anyone....but refusing to play even 1 legit non-conference team and the SEC only playing 8 conference games is not good for the game. Clemson has a mostly soft schedule, but at least they play TA&M this year....Georgia plays Notre Dame...Oklahoma plays 9 conference games plus a good Houston team and a mediocre PAC12 team, LSU plays Texas....Florida plays Miami and FSU. Then there is Alabama....playing 8 conference games and Duke on a down year (hard to write that with a straight face, but they had been mediocre .500 team in recent years), NMSU (a bad G5 team), Southern Miss (a bad G5 team), and the Catamounts of Western Carolina (a FCS team).

[RedseatHR]

Way to work that outside edge on Ozuna

[Ron Madden]

Back to back K's for Lorenzen

[Ron Madden]

Reds 2
Cards 1

After 8 innings

[Tadasimha]

Game on, fellows. Football talk in The Tavern, please.

2-1 Reds going to the 9th

[Kc61]

Very fine inning by Lorenzen.

Reds have such a weak offense on the road, but it would be good if they played add on right here.

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Votto on second, error, I’d pinch run for Votto.

Need to get this run home, Dietrich or somebody can play first for an inning.

[adkindo]

Game on, fellows. Football talk in The Tavern, please.

2-1 Reds going to the 9th

my bad....I will need to find this "Tavern" you speak of at some point.

[Tadasimha]

Get #40 here, Geno

[Ron Madden]

It must be kinda tough to see the ball in OF at Bush Stadium both teams having problems tonight

[Tadasimha]

my bad....I will need to find this "Tavern" you speak of at some point.

Sa'right
http://www.redszone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?33-The-Tavern

[adkindo]

walking Aquino....that sucks

[adkindo]

Sa'right
http://www.redszone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?33-The-Tavern

thanks....just realized when I saved site as a "bookmark", I saved it under the Baseball heading. I thought that was the homepage. I thought I recalled there being more sections to the sight when I signed up.

[adkindo]

I hate hitting into DP's!

[Ron Madden]

Good AB Good Eye Nick !

Iglesias hits into a dp need to hold'em now!

[Ron Madden]

C'mon Iglesias!!!

[Tadasimha]

Not yadi - anyone but the neck tat

[RedseatHR]

Brutal Iglesias

[BluegrassRedleg]

This act has gotten very, very old.


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[WVRedsFan]

Take him out now!

[Red Raindog]

Brutal Iglesias

Are you talking about a specific outing?

They seem to blend together in my mind and it’s an ugly blend


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[Fil3232]

Yuck

[Ron Madden]

Tie game another blown save I'm about done with Iglesias

[kaldaniels]

So.....is it still the homers?

[757690]

“If Iglesias limited to save opportunities, he’ll be fine.” :rolleyes:

[Fil3232]

This was the bottom of the order too

[Red Raindog]

I will support shutting him down for the year


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[BluegrassRedleg]

L11 coming up in a few moments.


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[Kc61]

Iglesias had nothing tonight.

Shame to blow that lead.

Terrible.

[Indymoon]

Amir and Lorenzen looked great, too.

[RedseatHR]

Are you talking about a specific outing?

They seem to blend together in my mind and it’s an ugly blend


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Just the whole experience.

[Dat dude BP]

Iglesias is absolutely awful.

[Tadasimha]

Amir and Lorenzen looked great, too.

As sharp as Lorenzen was, great time to park Iglesias and remind him how to close a game

[SomeCallMeTim]

Iglesias is absolutely awful.

Same can be said for Bell.

I know he can only use the tools he’s given, but his stubbornness with Peralta, Hernandez and now Iglesias has cost this team at least 8-12 potential wins...

[rob meehan]

david bell blows another save. why not loenzen

[RedseatHR]

What a terrible day of baseball

[adkindo]

simply have to take the closer role away from him now

[North]

Mr. Analytics loses another one with his shenanigans.

[Ron Madden]

This game is ALL ON IGLESIAS!

[Indymoon]

Same can be said for Bell.

I know he can only use the tools he’s given, but his stubbornness with Peralta, Hernandez and now Iglesias has cost this team at least 8-12 potential wins...

Add the Reds ineptitude on the bases and 3rd base coaching blunders and this is a different season.

[Rolando]

Still no outs.. Tough situation to put any other pitcher in..
This game is ALL ON IGLESIAS!

Also on David Bell he didn't have to put Iglesias in

[ScotlandRed]

Why is he still pitching in these situations?

[Coachforyears]

If the old definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results......what does that say about Bell....LOL

[mhs95_06]

Tie game another blown save I'm about done with Iglesias

The Reds have:
1) "The Punisher" for a clean-up hitter, who after a month in MLB is being intentionally walked instead of a guy with 39 home runs who would have put the DP in order.
2) "The Punished" for a closer with an exorbitant number of blown saves and losses.

[UPRedsFan]

simply have to take the closer role away from him now

Absolutely. He’s a middle reliever. Big leads or big defecits should be his role now.

[RedseatHR]

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[Big Klu]

Just got home a short time ago, after being gone all day.


Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Joey Votto - 282
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Dan Driessen - 133
19. Eugenio Suarez - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

[mhs95_06]

Mr. Analytics loses another one with his shenanigans.

He was trying to keep his upper tier relievers all available for both games tomorrow, maybe?

[757690]

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[Kc61]

He was trying to keep his upper tier relievers all available for both games tomorrow, maybe?

That’s the reasoning, sure. Keeping guys available for another doubleheader.

But it only works with an effective pitcher relieving Lorenzen.

[RedsBrick]

Reds are a complete joke. They continue to do the same things that lose them games.

Hey Bell...learn, man.

[Wheelhouse]

If the Reds are swept by the Cardinals it might anger Castellini enough to fire Bell.

[Rolando]

If the Reds are swept by the Cardinals it might anger Castellini enough to fire Bell.

Only if they fire the train wreck of a front office first who put this joke together

[adkindo]

it sucks, but this is one of those things we had to find out as we close the season and go into the offseason. I feel it is clear the Reds should not count on Iglesias as the Closer going into next season as of now.

[North]

He was trying to keep his upper tier relievers all available for both games tomorrow, maybe?

Well, since the Reds are completely out of playoff contention, there is nothing to save them for.

[Buffalo1979]

Son of a *****, I went to clean the Vacumn at home and instead Iglesias sucked more than the vacumn, Geeezus, I don't even want us to win another game this year with Bell as manager or Iglesias as our Closer, Let's just sit the people we want to come back and let the youngsters play to see what we have. No point If bell is going to constantly blow our games instead. Leave in Lorenzen, He was doing just fine.

[adkindo]

If the Reds are swept by the Cardinals it might anger Castellini enough to fire Bell.

everytime they try to discuss it, Buddy enters the room :)

[Kc61]

If the Reds are swept by the Cardinals it might anger Castellini enough to fire Bell.

Bell isn’t going to be fired. Reds simply must address the deficiencies on the team.

[ochoa30]

Lol, the circus act continues. What a waste of a another beautiful outing by Sonny. Meh, Raisel just doing his part to get the reds a higher draft pick I guess.

[Alabama]

High comedy at this point.

[Ron Madden]

There's nothing funny about it.

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-cardinals/2019/08/31/566633#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=566633

[Wheelhouse]

Bell isn’t going to be fired. Reds simply must address the deficiencies on the team.

And the first deficiency is Bell. I'm not saying he doesn't have value somewhere for a baseball team, but he's bad with the X's and O's, and should not be a field manager.

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But at least we're not dealing with this anymore: https://youtu.be/NjppLBbyczo

[adkindo]

Bell isn’t going to be fired. Reds simply must address the deficiencies on the team.

I agree his job is safe for now.....but I also think his decision making is one of our bigger deficiencies.

[Bruce Berenyi]

dont worry west of you will defend iglesias

[Wheelhouse]

I tell y'all what though, it must be fun to be a Cardinal fan. Those players get after it!

[Redsfan6272]

If Bell contiinues to run out Iglasesis, im done supporting his managing of this team. If the Pirates get above them and bury the Reds in last place, Bell needs to go as he is showing me he is not very good at watching what is going on on the field over computer data. Our wonderful closer complains he cant get fired up in a tie game and loses. Now he cant do his job at closing and wonderful Bell willkeep running him out there.time for Lorenzen to try closing

[Wheelhouse]

Also, Pirates likely 4-1/2 behind the Reds after tonight. Do you think Bell's job is safe if he finishes last?

[Alabama]

If Bell contiinues to run out Iglasesis, im done supporting his managing of this team. If the Pirates get above them and bury the Reds in last place, Bell needs to go as he is showing me he is not very good at watching what is going on on the field over computer data. Our wonderful closer complains he cant get fired up in a tie game and loses. Now he cant do his job at closing and wonderful Bell willkeep running him out there.time for Lorenzen to try closing

*our wonderful closer who just signed a 3 year extension!!
No way this team ends up in last place. They are going for it. Shipped off 4 top 10 prospects for no player with more than this year of control(Farmer!!). They might even finish up only 10 games under 500!
Have you not seen the run differential? It’s just bad luck, that will change

[redssince75]

I tell y'all what though, it must be fun to be a Cardinal fan. Those players get after it!

Here in St. Louis, they're very spoiled and ***** if they're not in first place on June 6. "An awful season, we're doomed." Not so much the good fans they are made out to be.

[mhs95_06]

If Bell contiinues to run out Iglasesis, im done supporting his managing of this team. If the Pirates get above them and bury the Reds in last place, Bell needs to go as he is showing me he is not very good at watching what is going on on the field over computer data. Our wonderful closer complains he cant get fired up in a tie game and loses. Now he cant do his job at closing and wonderful Bell willkeep running him out there.time for Lorenzen to try closing

That was already tried once!

[North]

Another cupcake, softball post-game interview. Sigh...

[Alabama]

Here in St. Louis, they're very spoiled and ***** if they're not in first place on June 6. "An awful season, we're doomed." Not so much the good fans they are made out to be.

This right here explains this board.
Exaggerated obviously, but they expect to win. If they have a 500 season and miss the playoffs, they make big changes.

[North]

Here in St. Louis, they're very spoiled and ***** if they're not in first place on June 6. "An awful season, we're doomed." Not so much the good fans they are made out to be.

Well, we Reds fans may act the same way IF we were anywhere near first place on June 6. I for one would like the opportunity. :)

Heh...June 6th...D-Day.

[Umkubas]

LOSS 72

[Buffalo1979]

Hey guys we were in 1st place but only for the March 28th game.

[North]

Hey guys we were in 1st place but only for the March 28th game.

:thumbup:. :D

You from WNY? That's where I grew up.

[Redsfan6272]

*our wonderful closer who just signed a 3 year extension!!
No way this team ends up in last place. They are going for it. Shipped off 4 top 10 prospects for no player with more than this year of control(Farmer!!). They might even finish up only 10 games under 500!
Have you not seen the run differential? It’s just bad luck, that will change

Um what is "Going for it? 4th place with the same record as 2014 W-76/ L-86. Run diff has not shown more wins than losses. Need to address this in the off season, because if somehow they get last place below the Pirates who have kicked the Reds butt this year, that is not going for it unless going for it is called 4th place and the FO bragging how they got the team out if last place.wow. im impressed!

[Tom Servo]

I’m out having a good time so of course I had to check how the game went and of course Iglesias fell apart again. Jesus H. Christ man, come on. Are you going for 15 losses?

[CrackerJack]

3 hits, blown save, next-to-last-place, no one cares, yeah it's September in Cincinnati, where things never really change.

[REDREAD]

Well, on the bright side, Iglesis did not throw many pitches, he should be fresh for the sunday doubleheader :lol:

[JohnnyRed]

Decent game for Gray

[Ironman92]

...

[RedsBrick]

Here in St. Louis, they're very spoiled and ***** if they're not in first place on June 6. "An awful season, we're doomed." Not so much the good fans they are made out to be.

It ain't about the fans. Who cares? It's about an organization that figures out how to win games. They have it, the Reds don't. Simple.