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Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 04:04 PM
Reds
1.Blandino DH
2.Votto 1B
3.Suarez 3B
4.Aquino RF
5.Iglesias SS
6.Ervin CF
7.Galvis 2B
8.Peraza LF
9.Barnhart C
Bauer RHP

Mariners
1. Gordon 2B
2. Nola 1B
3. Seager 3B
4. Murphy C
5. Vogelbach DH
6. Lewis RF
7. Lopes LF
8. Smith CF
9. Moore SS
Sheffield LHP

bullseye
09-10-2019, 04:21 PM
Looks like Senzel, our number 1 prospect, has been shut down for the year. Is this guy dependable going into next year?

JaxRed
09-10-2019, 04:32 PM
Even though it's two non-contenders, Bell throws the same old lineup out there.

Big Klu
09-10-2019, 04:57 PM
Even though it's two non-contenders, Bell throws the same old lineup out there.

Who is he supposed to play?

With the DH in play at Seattle, there are only six position players (plus Lorenzen) on the bench. Casali has seen a lot of action, and will continue to do so as Barnhart's running mate behind the plate. Senzel is apparently injured, and unable to play. The Mariners are starting a LHP (Justus Sheffield), so VanMeter, Dietrich, and O'Grady are unlikely candidates to start. Lorenzen's arm is fresh, so they are probably holding him back in case they need him to pitch.

Which means that you are lobbying for Juan Graterol to be in the lineup?

Sea Ray
09-10-2019, 05:00 PM
Let's see if Joey can have a big game today on his 36th birthday

Umkubas
09-10-2019, 06:41 PM
let's see if joey can have a big game today on his 36th birthday

Go Canada Go

malcontent
09-10-2019, 07:26 PM
Let's see if Joey can have a big game today on his 36th birthday
Votto vs. LHP in 2019:

153 PA
1 HR
.667 OPS

Redsfan6272
09-10-2019, 07:49 PM
rather see Lorenzen get a start in LF and Peraza at 2B in this game. why not..and Galvis DH or flip Peraza and Galvis

JohnnyRed
09-10-2019, 08:09 PM
Reds are gonna keep the Mariners in that rough patch and sink em with all deck lol

757690
09-10-2019, 09:01 PM
I believe this is Kyle Lewis’ MLB debut.

Ironman92
09-10-2019, 09:05 PM
Votto vs. LHP in 2019:

153 PA
1 HR
.667 OPS

So he’s due

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 09:09 PM
Votto vs. LHP in 2019:

153 PA
1 HR
.667 OPS

Still has a .346 OBP vs LHP

DocRed
09-10-2019, 09:50 PM
Wow ...LeCure not a fan of Bauer it seems.

Wonderful Monds
09-10-2019, 10:01 PM
Wow ...LeCure not a fan of Bauer it seems.

Interested to hear about this lol

Ironman92
09-10-2019, 10:15 PM
Not seeing a strike zone box?

Rantly
09-10-2019, 10:18 PM
Not seeing a strike zone box?
Back in time to see strike 3 on Suarez was inside.

mhs95_06
09-10-2019, 10:29 PM
Tucker blows a relatively easy CS opportunity.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 10:29 PM
Not a very good throw from Barnhart on that stolen base

Ironman92
09-10-2019, 10:34 PM
Not a very good throw from Barnhart on that stolen base

Lol, you think?

757690
09-10-2019, 10:36 PM
Aquino gets a single, erased in a DP by Iglesias.

Aquino won’t be up for awhile, time to get some work done.

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Kyle Lewis’ first play in a MLB field is one to remember, but not in a good way.

JohnnyRed
09-10-2019, 10:37 PM
Very nice!

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 10:38 PM
Ervin with a triple scores on a single from Galvis

Ironman92
09-10-2019, 10:39 PM
Ervin a bit of a triples machine

adkindo
09-10-2019, 10:39 PM
almost....nice double for Peraza

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 10:39 PM
Peraza hits a double off the top of the LF wall.

Ironman92
09-10-2019, 10:40 PM
There’s a rare Peraza non-HR that gets over the OF head

adkindo
09-10-2019, 10:43 PM
4 hits and only 1 run that inning.....not a great ratio

Kc61
09-10-2019, 10:44 PM
Disappointing that Reds only scored once that inning. Missed opportunities.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 10:45 PM
4 hits and only 1 run that inning.....not a great ratio

Soft rollers for double plays will do that to an inning

Kc61
09-10-2019, 10:47 PM
Soft rollers for double plays will do that to an inning

Also Galvis didn’t score on the long Peraza double. A better jump and he could have made it.

North
09-10-2019, 10:54 PM
Wow...Yellich out for the season.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 10:54 PM
Yelich out for the rest of the season with fractured knee cap

JaxRed
09-10-2019, 10:58 PM
To answer the previous question, this was perfect day to start Lorenzen in CF. Lefty on the mound and lots of available arms in the bullpen.

JohnnyRed
09-10-2019, 10:59 PM
Lol and you guys that Barnhart made a bad throw to 2nd. Lol

Kc61
09-10-2019, 10:59 PM
C’mon Reds, we don’t need more men LOB.

757690
09-10-2019, 10:59 PM
Tucker Barnhart: I will make the most embarrassing throw to second possible.

Tom Murphy: hold my beer...

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:00 PM
Bases loaded on the Aquino single. Reds station to station, nobody scores.

Time to knock in a couple of runs.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:00 PM
Votto and Geno both walk Aquino singles hard into RF. based loaded one out

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:01 PM
rough night for Iglesias so far

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:01 PM
Votto and Geno both walk Aquino singles hard into RF. based loaded one out.

Then Iglesias hits into another double play

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:02 PM
Iglesias with two DPs in two ABs.

On track for 8 to 10 outs tonight.

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In one of the DBack games Reds left 7 men on in the last three innings. Continuing tonight.

Terrible.

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:06 PM
Reds might want to reconsider hitting Iglesias fifth in the lineup. Frankly, I’ve been shocked how often that happens. Seems like a really odd fit for that spot.

BCubb2003
09-10-2019, 11:06 PM
It takes a pretty good offense to leave that many on.

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:13 PM
Another DP. This time Galvis.

LOL then another Peraza double.

But mighty Barnhart strikes out.

Batting lefty against a lefty for some reason.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:14 PM
Peraza with another double

Big Klu
09-10-2019, 11:15 PM
The Mariners have a highly touted rookie DH playing RF tonight.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:17 PM
Barnhart Ks to end the inning

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:23 PM
are there no rules about the size of a MLB ballpark outside of the space between bases and the mound?

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:25 PM
LOL, Reds with one run on seven hits (and two walks) through four innings.

On to the fifth inning.

BCubb2003
09-10-2019, 11:26 PM
What’s up with Bauer? Anything?

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:27 PM
What’s up with Bauer? Anything?

nope, just a normal night on the mound

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:28 PM
What’s up with Bauer? Anything?

Nothing

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:29 PM
double play bonanza tonight

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:35 PM
hate to sound cold, but with Yelich out for the year and Bellinger likely getting a few extra days off this month....Alonso likely the only one standing in between Suarez and the NL HR lead.

BluegrassRedleg
09-10-2019, 11:36 PM
FSO Hex = Undefeated

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:36 PM
freakin dominated this team for 5 innings, and one swing of the bat and it is tied

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:37 PM
Kyle Lewis homers to tie game.

First MLB hit for him.

Predictable that would happen. He’ll probably hit another to put Seattle ahead.

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:38 PM
Kyle Lewis first MLB hit leaves the yard.

Tie ballgame with it being first hit and first run off Bauer tonight

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:39 PM
Bauer responded well

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:43 PM
Was just looking at the MLB stat leader board.....surprised to see the Top 3 NL Batting Averages are Pittsburgh Pirates.....and Jose Iglesias is #4! Then I looked at last year, and Iglesias would not even be in the Top 10.

Also, there are already 7 batters in the NL with as many or more than 38 which was the most all season last year. Looks like at least 10 guys will eclipse 38 this year.

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crap call on Aquino....ball was low

BluegrassRedleg
09-10-2019, 11:44 PM
Was just looking at the MLB stat leader board.....surprised to see the Top 3 NL Batting Averages are Pittsburgh Pirates.....and Jose Iglesias is #4! Then I looked at last year, and Iglesias would not even be in the Top 10.

Also, there are already 7 batters in the NL with as many or more than 38 which was the most all season last year. Looks like at least 10 guys will eclipse 38 this year.

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crap call on Aquino....ball was low

Crazy numbers.

Kc61
09-10-2019, 11:46 PM
One-two-three for Reds in sixth. Probably they got tired of leaving men on base.

This game is an exercise in frustration.

Sea Ray
09-10-2019, 11:48 PM
Two crap calls on Aquino. Awfully hard to hit when the ump calls two different pitches Out of the strike zone strikes

BluegrassRedleg
09-10-2019, 11:49 PM
Dylan. Moore.

adkindo
09-10-2019, 11:51 PM
Crazy numbers.

it is still weird to me that the NL Batting Champion just does not seem to mean much anymore....as a kid, it was always a big deal, and I always knew who the batting champion was that season.....it was names like Tony Gwynn, Willie McGee and Tim Raines.....and now it is Bryan Reynolds?!?!

Ron Madden
09-10-2019, 11:52 PM
One-two-three for Reds in sixth. Probably they got tired of leaving men on base.

This game is an exercise in frustration.

They have hit into 4 double plays tonight in 6 innings, it's kinda hard to a score a lotta runs when you do that

BluegrassRedleg
09-10-2019, 11:54 PM
it is still weird to me that the NL Batting Champion just does not seem to mean much anymore....as a kid, it was always a big deal, and I always knew who the batting champion was that season.....it was names like Tony Gwynn, Willie McGee and Tim Raines.....and now it is Bryan Reynolds?!?!

I still appreciate it. That kid can really hit. It's just that AVG has been really marginalized by the new stats. I think it remains a skill to be admired (provided you're getting on base at a much higher clip and doing other things well with the bat).

Sea Ray
09-10-2019, 11:58 PM
I still appreciate it too of course I am a stick in the mud

UPRedsFan
09-11-2019, 12:01 AM
Amusing news... fight in Pirates clubhouse ends season of Kyle Crick with torn finger tendon. Fighting with Vasquez.

Even better news... Cueto shut out the Pirates out for 5 innings tonight on 1 hit.

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 12:02 AM
FWIW I watched Sheffield in person shut down the Cubs on Labor Day in Wrigley. The Cubs offense didn’t manage anything until the bullpen came in, and then they started teeing off.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 12:09 AM
If we pinch hit for our DH Blandino does that mean we lose our DH and the pitcher will have to hit for the remainder of the game?

BluegrassRedleg
09-11-2019, 12:09 AM
Top O' The Mornin' To Ya... :beerme:

Ron Madden
09-11-2019, 12:09 AM
BANG! O'Grady Goes BOOM!!!

Reds lead 3-1

adkindo
09-11-2019, 12:09 AM
O'Grady goes DEEP!

BluegrassRedleg
09-11-2019, 12:10 AM
Strong like bull.

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 12:10 AM
O'Grady! :jump:

M2
09-11-2019, 12:11 AM
That's why he's the Notorious B.O.G.

mhs95_06
09-11-2019, 12:11 AM
O'Grady got that one on the barrel!

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 12:16 AM
If we pinch hit for our DH Blandino does that mean we lose our DH and the pitcher will have to hit for the remainder of the game?
[quote]
Only if O'Grady were to be put on defense.

Big Klu
09-11-2019, 12:17 AM
If we pinch hit for our DH Blandino does that mean we lose our DH and the pitcher will have to hit for the remainder of the game?

No. The PH (in this case, O'Grady) becomes the DH.

Ron Madden
09-11-2019, 12:26 AM
5-3 DP

Reds lead 3-2 after 7 innings

adkindo
09-11-2019, 12:28 AM
Geno and/or Aquino hitting a HR would make this night better

adkindo
09-11-2019, 12:32 AM
Aquino has not hit a HR in almost 2 weeks.

WVRedsFan
09-11-2019, 12:36 AM
How is it that all the Mariner's pitchers have lousy ERA's and pitch like Cy Young? or is it our guys?

Buffalo1979
09-11-2019, 12:38 AM
Aquino has not hit a HR in almost 2 weeks.

lol relax, He hit one on Sept 2nd, I really don't care, It's exciting to see but I'm just glad he's getting some hits. I just hope Pitchers haven't figured out how to pitch him.

50YrRedsFan
09-11-2019, 12:42 AM
How is it that all the Mariner's pitchers have lousy ERA's and pitch like Cy Young? or is it our guys?

Definitely our guys.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 12:43 AM
I know I’m stating the obvious but Lorenzen pitches so much better when he’s not overworked

North
09-11-2019, 12:45 AM
I know I’m stating the obvious but Lorenzen pitches so much better when he’s not overworked

Yes...

Buffalo1979
09-11-2019, 12:45 AM
I'm actually proud to see Bauer have a good night, Sorry was late to the game tonight. Nice to see some of our hitters that haven't been hitting doing good tonight.

adkindo
09-11-2019, 12:50 AM
anyone have an idea of the average salary for a bullpen catcher?

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 12:52 AM
Since when is Garrett afraid to throw a friggin fastball?

kaldaniels
09-11-2019, 12:52 AM
Right down Broadway.

Buffalo1979
09-11-2019, 12:52 AM
Shoot, should have left lorenzen in!

Ron Madden
09-11-2019, 12:54 AM
Amir Garrett gives up a 2 run Bomb to Kyle Seager, Mariners now lead 4-3 in the bottom of the 8 TH inning

adkindo
09-11-2019, 12:54 AM
feel like I am in the minority of baseball fans, but I hope they push through rules forcing pitchers to throw to at least 3 batters

50YrRedsFan
09-11-2019, 12:54 AM
Another Reds bullpen meltdown. Another 1 run loss coming.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 12:55 AM
No, he just can’t fall in love with one pitch

North
09-11-2019, 12:55 AM
Uhh... batting practice pitch there. Hope AG gets it together soon.

adkindo
09-11-2019, 12:55 AM
well, looks like our only hope is VanMeter

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 12:56 AM
If you look past the ERA, a lot of Garrett's numbers aren't all that hot.

It's disappointing that someone with his stuff can't put together a really strong full season.

BluegrassRedleg
09-11-2019, 12:57 AM
I’m at a loss for words.


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Kc61
09-11-2019, 12:57 AM
This game is so Reds.

Good starting performance. Good Lorenzen.

Offense couldn’t break out against a 5 ERA pitcher, despite opportunities.

Bullpen couldn’t hold the lead.

Maybe they will change things up by coming from behind.

kaldaniels
09-11-2019, 12:57 AM
If you look past the ERA, a lot of Garrett's numbers aren't all that hot.

It's disappointing that someone with his stuff can't put together a really strong full season.

He’s like that.

He’s. Like. That.

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 12:59 AM
This game is so Reds.

Good starting performance. Good Lorenzen.

Offense couldn’t break out against a 5 ERA pitcher, despite opportunities.

Bullpen couldn’t hold the lead.

Maybe they will change things up by coming from behind.
Pretty much the type of game we saw regularly in April-May. They just never clicked on all cylinders this season.

North
09-11-2019, 12:59 AM
We got 3 outs. Let's go.

adkindo
09-11-2019, 01:00 AM
so we gave up Bass to make sure we had room for Zach Duke and Wandy....

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 01:01 AM
No, he just can’t fall in love with one pitch

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 01:01 AM
Not that I think we missed out on much with him but insult to injury in this one that Anthony Bass, closer for our Louisville Bats this season, finishes it off.

BluegrassRedleg
09-11-2019, 01:02 AM
Nothing like losing to a glorified AA team on a 6-game skid.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 01:02 AM
I’m sure our local press will not ask Bell after the game why Garrett didn’t throw a fastball

WVRedsFan
09-11-2019, 01:03 AM
If you look past the ERA, a lot of Garrett's numbers aren't all that hot.

It's disappointing that someone with his stuff can't put together a really strong full season.

Truth is,he gets bailed out sometimes. Lorenzen just can't pitch more than one inning well.

Reds lose against a team 28 under .500. I blame Iglesias' two double plays earlier, too. Why he's batting number 5 is beyond me.

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 01:05 AM
Nothing like losing to a glorified AA team on a 6-game skid.
This one really is depressing. The Mariners aren't trying and the Reds nominally are, but you wouldn't know it from this game.

Buffalo1979
09-11-2019, 01:05 AM
We are now 21-31 in 1 run games. Bad managing, It doesn't seem like the team has chemistry this year.

Ron Madden
09-11-2019, 01:06 AM
Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/reds-vs-mariners/2019/09/10/566441#game_state=final,lock_state=final,game_tab= box,game=566441

BluegrassRedleg
09-11-2019, 01:08 AM
This one really is depressing. The Mariners aren't trying and the Reds nominally are, but you wouldn't know it from this game.

Just really disheartening, especially with Bauer throwing so well. And you'd like that O'Grady blast to be a game-winner.

Kc61
09-11-2019, 01:08 AM
Truth is,he gets bailed out sometimes. Lorenzen just can't pitch more than one inning well.

Reds lose against a team 28 under .500. I blame Iglesias' two double plays earlier, too.

Not Lorenzen’s fault. If Garrett can’t get out one lefty hitter, I’m not sure what his role is.

Kc61
09-11-2019, 01:11 AM
We are now 21-31 in 1 run games. Bad managing, It doesn't seem like the team has chemistry this year.

I can’t blame Bell. He brought in his “best” lefty to get out a lefty. Simple, obvious move, just bad execution.

The problem with the team chemistry is that the offense and the bullpen are lousy.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 01:21 AM
I’d like to hear from manager Bell whether all those sliders were called by the pitcher the catcher or by the bench but I’m sure our local press won’t ask him

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 01:22 AM
I’d like to hear from manager Bell whether all those sliders were called by the picture the catcher or by the bench but I’m sure our local press won’t ask him
Catcher. Weird to direct the blame for Amir Garrett's failures towards Bell and then also media, for some reason.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 01:30 AM
Catcher. Weird to direct the blame for Amir Garrett's failures towards Bell and then also media, for some reason. The problem was pitch selection. Another problem are the softball interviews our media does with our manager.

kaldaniels
09-11-2019, 01:32 AM
“David Bell......Did you order the slider?”

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BluegrassRedleg
09-11-2019, 01:33 AM
31 one-run losses. Ho-lee-cow.

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“David Bell......Did you order the slider?”

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It was definitely a Code Red.

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 01:35 AM
31 one-run losses. Ho-lee-cow.

https://media.giphy.com/media/9t6xpYZ9npJmM/giphy.gif

Umkubas
09-11-2019, 02:04 AM
LOSS 78

gagliano
09-11-2019, 06:29 AM
Crazy numbers.

baseball=softball now

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I still appreciate it. That kid can really hit. It's just that AVG has been really marginalized by the new stats. I think it remains a skill to be admired (provided you're getting on base at a much higher clip and doing other things well with the bat).

for me, it's the #1 stat.

Kingspoint
09-11-2019, 08:15 AM
Aquino has not hit a HR in almost 2 weeks.

He hit one about five innings after I said he was due. That was not very long ago.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 09:36 AM
“David Bell......Did you order the slider?”



Whoever said "no fastballs" screwed up. What's important here is to note that this is a not a talent issue. Amir Garrett is going to be one of the cogs in our bullpen going forward. This should be used as a learning tool. You can't throw the same pitch 7 straight times to a good hitter, especially when the 7th is right down the pike. Garrett's got a high 90s FB. There's no point in not using it

PuffyPig
09-11-2019, 09:58 AM
We are now 21-31 in 1 run games. Bad managing, It doesn't seem like the team has chemistry this year.

That's only 5 wins below .500. More likely randomness than anything else.

Tom Servo
09-11-2019, 10:08 AM
Whoever said "no fastballs" screwed up. What's important here is to note that this is a not a talent issue. Amir Garrett is going to be one of the cogs in our bullpen going forward. This should be used as a learning tool. You can't throw the same pitch 7 straight times to a good hitter, especially when the 7th is right down the pike. Garrett's got a high 90s FB. There's no point in not using it
Not with a 5.6 BB/9 and 1.2 HR/9 he's not.

Garrett said this season that he mostly ditched his fastball because it got hit too much, and actively chose to go with the slider more often. That he hung one, to a LH batter no less, is his fault.

Sea Ray
09-11-2019, 10:22 AM
Not with a 5.6 BB/9 and 1.2 HR/9 he's not.

Garrett said this season that he mostly ditched his fastball because it got hit too much, and actively chose to go with the slider more often. That he hung one, to a LH batter no less, is his fault.

It is ultimately his fault but this is something that can be coached. A hitter like Seager can continue to foul off pitches time and time again until he walks or until the pitcher grooves one, if every pitch is the same. Pitching 101 says to vary things like pitch speed and angle. Garrett violated all of that and paid the price. He's not a good pitcher if he ditches his FB

PuffyPig
09-11-2019, 10:28 AM
FWIW, Seager also has reverse splits, he has a high .900's OPS vs. LH pitching. Now Garrett is also very good vs. LH batters.

But continuing to throw the same pitch at the same speed is never a good idea. In baseball, doing the "expected" is usually not a good plan.

DocRed
09-11-2019, 11:38 AM
Man I hate west coast games. Went to bed we were leading....woke up and we lost.

757690
09-11-2019, 02:53 PM
That's only 5 wins below .500. More likely randomness than anything else.

5.38 team ERA in the 8th inning.
5.29 team ERA in extra innings.

I’m going with anything else.

PuffyPig
09-11-2019, 04:23 PM
5.38 team ERA in the 8th inning.
5.29 team ERA in extra innings.

I’m going with anything else.

But those stats are likely random to some extent, as the back end bullpen doesn't have an ERA that high.

Telling me that a team with a poor record in extra inning gives up runs in extra innings is telling me nothing I don't already know.

757690
09-11-2019, 04:47 PM
But those stats are likely random to some extent, as the back end bullpen doesn't have an ERA that high.

Telling me that a team with a poor record in extra inning gives up runs in extra innings is telling me nothing I don't already know.

It tells us that the problem is run prevention in late innings. That's meaningful information in terms of figuring out how to improve the team. It also tells us it's not random or luck. It's a talent problem.

cincinnati chili
09-12-2019, 12:12 AM
That was idiotic managing.

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Get. him. out. of. this. game.

Wrong game.