Brewers vs Reds 9-25-19 6:40 PM

[Ron Madden]

Reds
1. VanMeter LF
2. Votto 1B
3. Suarez 3B
4. Aquino RF
5. Barnhart C
6. Iglesias SS
7. Ervin CF
8. Peraza 2B
9. Mahle P

Brewers
1. Grisham Rf
2. Grandal C
3. Moustakas 3B
4. Hiura 2B
5. Braun LF
6. Thames 1B
7. Cain CF
8. Spangenberg SS
9. Lyles P

[Fil3232]

I hate complaining about lineups but I also hate the Barnhart/Iglesias 5-6 combo, so I'm sort of stuck here...

[Sea Ray]

Barnhart actually does very well hitting 8th and the challenges that go along with that. I wish David Bell saw it that way

[Ron Madden]

The Brewers lineup has been added to the original post.

[Ron Madden]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon
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Sonny Gray had arthroscopic right elbow surgery today to remove loose bodies that he’s pitched with all season. It’s not expected to affect his off-season routine. #reds

[Sea Ray]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon
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12m
Sonny Gray had arthroscopic right elbow surgery today to remove loose bodies that he’s pitched with all season. It’s not expected to affect his off-season routine. #reds

Wow. That didn't take long.

[mhs95_06]

Mark Sheldon
@m_sheldon
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12m
Sonny Gray had arthroscopic right elbow surgery today to remove loose bodies that he’s pitched with all season. It’s not expected to affect his off-season routine. #reds

Is that why he was scheduled not to start Sunday? To not cut into the off-season for either the player or the surgeon! If he didn't get his 200th K last night, were they going to postpone the surgery until after he pitched Sunday?

[Kc61]

Barnhart actually does very well hitting 8th and the challenges that go along with that. I wish David Bell saw it that way

The current group including injuries, illnesses, etc. has a number of eighth place hitters.

Tonight’s order with Ervin/Peraza hitting 7 and 8 is among the better lineups of late. But still a number of eighth place hitters.

They just have a weak lineup, which is now depleted, once you get beyond the top few guys.

[Ron Madden]

Is that why he was scheduled not to start Sunday? To not cut into the off-season for either the player or the surgeon! If he didn't get his 200th K last night, were they going to postpone the surgery until after he pitched Sunday?

No, David Bell announced before last nights game that it would be Sonnys last start this season

[Kc61]

Is that why he was scheduled not to start Sunday? To not cut into the off-season for either the player or the surgeon! If he didn't get his 200th K last night, were they going to postpone the surgery until after he pitched Sunday?

During the game Reds’ announcers said Gray would not pitch Sunday. It’ll be a bullpen day. That was already set. I don’t recall the surgery being mentioned, however.

[mhs95_06]

No, David Bell announced before last nights game that it would be Sonnys last start this season

I'm sure Bell knew last night that the surgery was scheduled for today. Those "loose bodies" didn't just show up last night!

[JaxRed]

Really intrigued by the Mahle start tonight. Welsh seemed to indicate that he was pitching differently (not just better) last time out. He turned in his best start of the year. The Wild Eyed Optimist in me is thinking that Derek Johnson cooked up a strategy for him. It could turn out to be just a random good start. That's why I want to see a good performance to close out the year for Mahle.

[NebraskaRed]

listening to Marty and Thom broadcast together. That's nice that they get to do this.

[redswin]

Yikes

[JaxRed]

Really intrigued by the Mahle start tonight. Welsh seemed to indicate that he was pitching differently (not just better) last time out. He turned in his best start of the year. The Wild Eyed Optimist in me is thinking that Derek Johnson cooked up a strategy for him. It could turn out to be just a random good start. That's why I want to see a good performance to close out the year for Mahle.

Oh well.....

[NebraskaRed]

Thom not-so-subtle about slamming Votto. Pointing out that Braun is about the same age as Votto and then says "but he still has a lot of life in that bat"

[757690]

Cards are losing 9-5 in Arizona currently.

I can see the Brewers coming back and winning the NL Central title.

[JaxRed]

Oh well..... (Part 2)

[RedseatHR]

Thom just took a jab at Votto saying that Braun started as the same time as him but it doesn’t look it. I guess Thom ignores PEDs

[Ron Madden]

Thom not-so-subtle about slamming Votto. Pointing out that Braun is about the same age as Votto and then says "but he still has a lot of life in that bat"

I heard that too, sounded a little bitter

[Big Klu]

Game over.

[NebraskaRed]

100% support also saying bye to Thom as soon as the game ends tomorrow. Let them both leave together.

[RedseatHR]

Got a bad feeling we’ve already heard the last “this one belongs to the Reds”

[NebraskaRed]

Thom just took a jab at Votto saying that Braun started as the same time as him but it doesn’t look it. I guess Thom ignores PEDs

Thom only cares about what someone is doing right this second in front of him. Ignore career numbers. Ignore PEDs. "Braun hit a home run. Braun is better than Votto"

[adkindo]

how many innings will Peraza pitch tonight?

[North]

Wheel...of...Fortune.

[Ron Madden]

The Great BamGeno!!!

[NebraskaRed]

Geno!!

[adkindo]

as soon as he said 2 off the lead, I just knew what was about to happen

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with the George Michael earring

[Big Klu]

Updated Reds HR list (players in italics are active):

Reds 100-Home Run Club
1. Johnny Bench - 389
2. Frank Robinson - 324
3. Tony Perez - 287
4. Joey Votto - 284
5. Adam Dunn - 270
6. Ted Kluszewski - 251
7. George Foster - 244
8. Jay Bruce - 233
9. Ken Griffey, Jr. - 210
10. Eric Davis - 203
11. Barry Larkin - 198
12. Brandon Phillips - 191
13. Vada Pinson - 186
14. Wally Post - 172
15. Gus Bell - 160
16. Joe Morgan - 152
16. Pete Rose - 152
18. Lee May - 147
19. Eugenio Suarez - 143
20. Dan Driessen - 133
21. Reggie Sanders - 125
22. Ernie Lombardi - 120
23. Sean Casey - 118
24. Frank McCormick - 110
25. Todd Frazier - 108
26. Dave Parker - 107
27. Chris Sabo - 104
28. Dave Concepcion - 101

[Kc61]

Hope Suarez gets number 50 and then Reds walk off the field into the sunset.

The end of this season can’t get here fast enough.

It was entertaining for awhile, they improved, but enough of this.

[RedseatHR]

Thom only cares about what someone is doing right this second in front of him. Ignore career numbers. Ignore PEDs. "Braun hit a home run. Braun is better than Votto"

(Laughing......crying......thinking Thom is here for decades)

[BluegrassRedleg]

Nice location, bro.

[NebraskaRed]

I'm starting to think that Mahle isn't having a good night

[JaxRed]

Oh well (Part 3)

[HokieRed]

Can't take 2020 seriously if Mahle is to be part of the rotation. Sorry to say that. I had great hope for him. Just not going to happen.

[NebraskaRed]

Reporter: "Why leave Mahle in for a second inning after giving up 6 runs in the first?"

Bell: "[inaudible] develop [inaudible] kid [inaudible] bleak...pointless [inaudible] but Geno [inaudible]"

[Jomama]

The dumpster fire continues...next year will be no different.

[DocRed]

I've never thought Mahle was a lock for the rotation next year....let's hope the Reds realize that and go into the FA market to get a better SP because there a ton of them available next year.

[BluegrassRedleg]

He's off the bag. Not even close.

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Ridiculous. Such a fail, MLB replay.

[JaxRed]

Thought it was too close

[NebraskaRed]

According to Thom, you don't hear much about Moustakas, a player who has gone to the ASG 3 of the past 5 years.

[NebraskaRed]

I don't think that Jose Iglesias is a Red next year.

[Coopdaddy67]

I don't think that Jose Iglesias is a Red next year.

If it's in a bench role, I'd be fine with him returning. If he's resigned and penciled in as the starting SS, that's a big problem.

[DocRed]

You know you stink when you get pulled for Keury Mella....

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If it's in a bench role, I'd be fine with him returning. If he's resigned and penciled in as the starting SS, that's a big problem.

$4M for a bench player? No thanks...

[NebraskaRed]

To the surprise of everyone, Mella did not git a hit.

[Coopdaddy67]

$4M for a bench player? No thanks...

$4 million is nothing in the grand scheme of things and they should have significant payroll flexibility.

Non-tendering Peraza can account for that alone.

[Ron Madden]

My daughter just brought our tickets for tomorrows game for my wife and I, section 111 row K.

[Rantly]

Marty looks darn good for 77.

[WVRedsFan]

I'm starting to think that Mahle isn't having a good night

It mystifies me why they keep trotting him out he has been horrible since he came up. ERA mow 5.34. I'm shocked it's not higher.

[Rantly]

It mystifies me why they keep trotting him out he has been horrible since he came up. ERA mow 5.34. I'm shocked it's not higher.
His ERA was in the 4s before game I think, sadly in this day not a horrible ERA for 5th starter.

[malcontent]

It mystifies me why they keep trotting him out he has been horrible since he came up. ERA mow 5.34. I'm shocked it's not higher.
Remember when we had such high hopes for the kid? But look, Keury Mella is here to win the Reds the Mike Leake trade.

[Ron Madden]

Mahle is still young, I don't think I'd write him off just yet.

[WVRedsFan]

Mahle is still young, I don't think I'd write him off just yet.

He is only24, so there is hope. He was so good in 2017. Something has happened to him.

[Ron Madden]

Brewers 8
Reds 2
After 5 innings

[Coopdaddy67]

Mahle is still young, I don't think I'd write him off just yet.

I look toward moving him to the bullpen next Spring. He's got decent stuff and his fastball should only get better if he's used in that role.

[Ron Madden]

Alonso has hit #51 for the Mets.

[malcontent]

Reds should re-sign Scooter Gennett to start at 2B. His market value couldn't be any lower, and he's loads better than anyone they've been running out there.

Plus, I think the clubhouse misses him. But of course they won't.

[Big Klu]

1-4-yessiree-3!

[Ron Madden]

1-4-3 double play

[Strikes Out Looking]

While I didn't expect the Reds to make the playoffs this year, I also didn't think they'd curl up and die.

[Coopdaddy67]

Reds should re-sign Scooter Gennett to start at 2B. His market value couldn't be any lower, and he's loads better than anyone they've been running out there.

Plus, I think the clubhouse misses him. But of course they won't.

He can't stay healthy and he was terrible when he was on the field this season.

[50YrRedsFan]

Reds with 3 hits through 6. Offense in high gear. And they call this a major league team.

[malcontent]

He can't stay healthy and he was terrible when he was on the field this season.
He hasn't missed much time during his career. And he might have come back too soon this year.

If he gets 100% healthy, he's a good bet to be the player he was the previous two years, IMO.

[RedseatHR]

Marty’s speaking the truth on Mahle.

[malcontent]

Marty’s speaking the truth on Mahle.
What's that?

[Mutaman]

It was entertaining for awhile, they improved, but enough of this.

Put an amen to it. 15310

[Tony Cloninger]

While I didn't expect the Reds to make the playoffs this year, I also didn't think they'd curl up and die.

I’ve been told I have gaslighted people here who have been overly or over the top critical of the team this year.
Since I’m not a BBQ man or griller of much repute I disagree with that. However I can agree now that in these last few weeks or about a month. They look like they are just mentally worn out or just have packed it In. Or they really do suck this bad.

[WVRedsFan]

I’ve been told I have gaslighted people here who have been overly or over the top critical of the team this year.
Since I’m not a BBQ man or griller of much repute I disagree with that. However I can agree now that in these last few weeks or about a month. They look like they are just mentally worn out or just have packed it In. Or they really do suck this bad.I agree. They look spent. No life at all.

[adkindo]

they should have more respect for the uniform they wear that to just go through the motions the way they clearly have recently

[RedseatHR]

What's that?

Just that he’s going to need to show more next season to justify the talk that he should be penciled in for the fifth spot in the rotation. Never said he couldn’t just said we need more

[Big Klu]

Put an amen to it. 15310

"Shall we gather at the river..."

[Big Klu]

6-4-yessiree-3!

[malcontent]

Or they really do suck this bad.
I still think they could have given the Clippers fits in the IL playoffs.

[adkindo]

thinking we are probably going to need to find a right fielder next year

[WVRedsFan]

Lorenzen ends the season (unless he plays tomorrow) at .195.

[Mutaman]

"Shall we gather at the river..."

Ford played that song in 7 of his movies.
Also was being sung by the Temperance Society while Pike and the boys were robbing the bank at the beginning of The Wild bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quu4ZB25LCg

[Ron Madden]

Box Score

https://www.mlb.com/gameday/brewers-vs-reds/2019/09/25/565299#game_state=live,game_tab=,game=565299

[Rantly]

thinking we are probably going to need to find a right fielder next year

Yea, Aquino seems to be a mystery at this point. I’d like to think he’s done enough to at least earn the nod as a starter next year but might be good to have a backup plan.

[JohnnyRed]

Couldn't play upset, it is what it is. Good for the Crew

[Big Klu]

Ford played that song in 7 of his movies.
Also was being sung by the Temperance Society while Pike and the boys were robbing the bank at the beginning of The Wild bunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Quu4ZB25LCg

It was John Ford's favorite hymn.

[North]

It was John Ford's favorite hymn.

Tennessee Ernie Ford. :thumbup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIfu2A0ezq0

[Umkubas]

LOSS 85

[cumberlandreds]

I listened to the first couple of innings last night. I caught Thom's rip on Votto after Braun's HR. I really hope Thom goes out with is dad. He is just isn't a good baseball broadcaster and think way too much of his own opinions. Just go away and do football or maybe pick up some college broadcasting job elsewhere.

I'm afraid the Reds have just mailed in the rest of the season. With Brewers still very much alive for the NL Central they are still going to give a big effort today despite clinching a playoff berth last night. Probably everyone associated with the Reds will just walk through the games this weekend in Pittsburgh and be ready to jump on that plane out of town Sunday evening. Just a bad ending to a season that looked like it might lead into something good next year. Now I'm not so sure.