College Football 2019 Bowl Season: Buckeyes Against the World

[WVRed]

Old thread is at 1,000 posts. Time for a new one.


Houston saved them from that very scenario. It's no secret that the relationship between Holgs and AD Lyons was never the greatest. Holgs arguably only got the contract he had because of 2016 going 10-3 and he was coming up on his final year. Holgs knew the writing was on the wall and he had probably achieved all he could at WVU and knew if he had a 5-7 win year (which is what most were predicting, even before he left) he'd been canned so he got out of the way. He was a strange cat and was never fully embraced by a number of armchair wanna bes idiots because "We FiReD a GuY wHo WoN 10 GaMes In BiG eAsT" or "He IsN't OnE oF uS".

I always thought Holgorsen was out of place at WVU.

As a UK fan who lives in WV, there’s a similarity between the WVU football program and UK basketball in that the coach is essentially the most popular person in the state and it’s not a job for introverts. You can pretty much plan on people stopping you in public for autographs and spending time doing promotions. I don’t think Holgorsen really embraced that side from everything I’ve seen about him. He’s basically Billy Gillespie but with a lot better success.

It worked out for WVU. Neal Brown is a good coach and an even better person but hopefully the fans will be patient. As for Holgorsen, he’s in a place now where Westbrook, Harden, JJ Watt, DeShaun Watson, and the Astros have the spotlight. The tanking is a bold strategy but let’s see if it pays off.

[Slyder]

We have "fans" melting down already about Brown, I thought we had a pretty good year considering all the defections, injuries. We were average QB from possibly beating Texas and we had a punchers chance against Baylor. If you can flip either of those games and get to bowl eligibility, that would have been a GREAT season and given the new staff an extra month with what's left to get ready for next year. I wish we could have seen more of Doege, the offense looked a lot more potent with him under center than it ever did with Kendall.

[WVRed]

We have "fans" melting down already about Brown, I thought we had a pretty good year considering all the defections, injuries. We were average QB from possibly beating Texas and we had a punchers chance against Baylor. If you can flip either of those games and get to bowl eligibility, that would have been a GREAT season and given the new staff an extra month with what's left to get ready for next year. I wish we could have seen more of Doege, the offense looked a lot more potent with him under center than it ever did with Kendall.

But because of how Brown took advantage of the new rules, you now have Doege for two more seasons.

[Slyder]

But because of how Brown took advantage of the new rules, you now have Doege for two more seasons.

That's why I said I wish. I was actually surprised he played this year, I still don't fully understand the new transfer rules and what/why he was given the waiver to be immediately eligible.

[Sea Ray]

Old thread is at 1,000 posts. Time for a new one.



I always thought Holgorsen was out of place at WVU.

As a UK fan who lives in WV, there’s a similarity between the WVU football program and UK basketball in that the coach is essentially the most popular person in the state and it’s not a job for introverts. You can pretty much plan on people stopping you in public for autographs and spending time doing promotions. I don’t think Holgorsen really embraced that side from everything I’ve seen about him. He’s basically Billy Gillespie but with a lot better success.

It worked out for WVU. Neal Brown is a good coach and an even better person but hopefully the fans will be patient. As for Holgorsen, he’s in a place now where Westbrook, Harden, JJ Watt, DeShaun Watson, and the Astros have the spotlight. The tanking is a bold strategy but let’s see if it pays off.

How is it Buckeyes against the world?

[bucksfan2]

I love it when someone on an internet forum thinks so highly of their thoughts that they feel in position to claim another users opinion is nonsense. I assume you are an Ohio State fan? You may feel different if Fields decided not to play in a bowl game, and you got the Chris Chugunov bowl experience. It is not fun and does not make the program look great.

Quoting this from the previous thread.

I can flex my internet muscles even more if you want!

Yes I am an OSU fan, and yes, I believe if OSU is not in the playoffs next season, Fields probably will not play. Its the nature of the sport, its the nature of the position, and I think everyone has gotten around to the fact some players have too much to lose by playing in a meaningless bowl game. And yes, if you take out the CFP, all the bowl games are meaningless.

Coaches can get a nice bonus for winning a bowl game and the players get a pretty cool bowl week experience, but the game IMO is a glorified exhibition. The games no longer hold the mystique that they did even a decade ago.

The most important football thing to come out of the bowl game, is bowl prep. Its getting young players a month of extra practice. Getting the next wave of guys experience. Three years ago Okuda was picked on, got his feet wet, and started to grow. To circle back to your Fields question, if OSU isn't in the playoffs its somewhat of a disappointment. I would be bummed not seeing him play, but somewhat excited to see what the next QB has to offer.

[Sea Ray]

Quoting this from the previous thread.

I can flex my internet muscles even more if you want!

Yes I am an OSU fan, and yes, I believe if OSU is not in the playoffs next season, Fields probably will not play. Its the nature of the sport, its the nature of the position, and I think everyone has gotten around to the fact some players have too much to lose by playing in a meaningless bowl game. And yes, if you take out the CFP, all the bowl games are meaningless.

Coaches can get a nice bonus for winning a bowl game and the players get a pretty cool bowl week experience, but the game IMO is a glorified exhibition. The games no longer hold the mystique that they did even a decade ago.

The most important football thing to come out of the bowl game, is bowl prep. Its getting young players a month of extra practice. Getting the next wave of guys experience. Three years ago Okuda was picked on, got his feet wet, and started to grow. To circle back to your Fields question, if OSU isn't in the playoffs its somewhat of a disappointment. I would be bummed not seeing him play, but somewhat excited to see what the next QB has to offer.

I agree with a lot of that but I disagree that the Bowls are meaningless. I think you're not having enough empathy for the little guys in college football. Understand, not everyone is Ohio State. In fact very few are. So for the vast majority of colleges, a national championship is not possible nor is it even a goal. The meaning of the season doesn't end once they're out of the CFP hunt. I agree that the extra month of practice is probably the biggest benefit but the games do have some meaning for recruiting and bragging rights.

[bucksfan2]

I agree with a lot of that but I disagree that the Bowls are meaningless. I think you're not having enough empathy for the little guys in college football. Understand, not everyone is Ohio State. In fact very few are. So for the vast majority of colleges, a national championship is not possible nor is it even a goal. The meaning of the season doesn't end once they're out of the CFP hunt. I agree that the extra month of practice is probably the biggest benefit but the games do have some meaning for recruiting and bragging rights.

I mean I get the allure of making a bowl, but it seems like the bowl week and making the bowl far exceeds the actual game. Does a team like UC really want to go to Birmingham in December to play a bowl game? Its not like they are going to Florida or CA, they are going to Alabama.

I mean I get the goal of going to a bowl but I think they have really been devalued over the past decade.

[Sea Ray]

I mean I get the allure of making a bowl, but it seems like the bowl week and making the bowl far exceeds the actual game. Does a team like UC really want to go to Birmingham in December to play a bowl game? Its not like they are going to Florida or CA, they are going to Alabama.

I mean I get the goal of going to a bowl but I think they have really been devalued over the past decade.

UC hasn't been "bigtime" long enough to forget the yrs when they didn't make a Bowl. Sure they're disappointed that they missed out on the Cotton Bowl but they'd much rather go to Birmingham than stay home and clean out their lockers. That's not to say that there isn't some devaluing going on. I'm sure the Rose Bowl will still sell out but it does lose some luster when the Big Ten champ isn't there

[Slyder]

The key for most is the extra weeks of practice.

[phatknuckle]

As others have pointed out a bowl game is a boon to a team because of the extra practice time. It also has monetary value to both the team and conference and provides exposure for national recruiting. Not to mention that the fact that players are being drafted in the first place helps recruiting. Finally, for teams that have starters sitting out, it gives their future starters some valuable playing time.

I don't think the players owe anything to the university or even the fans, both parties have already received plenty of benefit from the athlete. They may feel obligation to their teammates, but I guarantee the majority of them completely understand and support the decision to sit.

[phatknuckle]

I mean I get the allure of making a bowl, but it seems like the bowl week and making the bowl far exceeds the actual game. Does a team like UC really want to go to Birmingham in December to play a bowl game? Its not like they are going to Florida or CA, they are going to Alabama.

I mean I get the goal of going to a bowl but I think they have really been devalued over the past decade.

I'm sure Cincinnati would rather be playing in a more glamorous bowl game, but I guarantee that the coaching staff and university are glad for the opportunity none the less.

[adkindo]

That's why I said I wish. I was actually surprised he played this year, I still don't fully understand the new transfer rules and what/why he was given the waiver to be immediately eligible.

nobody does because from the outside, it appears arbitrary and random....but we do not really know the claims being made on the waivers. I honestly feel if you push hard for it, you will get it....case in point the one attorney that Fields and others used to file their waiver has 100% approval. The NCAA knows he will be a problem if he gets rejected and it is not worth the cost.

In regards to Brown, I do not get much negativity from my circle of WVU fans. Most of them are satisfied with what they have seen, but are reserving some judgement like about his play calling until he gets the right pieces and depth to run his offense. Vic Koenning has almost obtained Defensive Deity status with many fans I know.

[adkindo]

I always thought Holgorsen was out of place at WVU.

As a UK fan who lives in WV, there’s a similarity between the WVU football program and UK basketball in that the coach is essentially the most popular person in the state and it’s not a job for introverts. You can pretty much plan on people stopping you in public for autographs and spending time doing promotions. I don’t think Holgorsen really embraced that side from everything I’ve seen about him. He’s basically Billy Gillespie but with a lot better success.

I do not think Dana ever saw WVU as the final stop, and never really embraced the culture. I always felt Dana was a OC masquerading as a head coach. He loves running an offense, does not really pay attention to defense, and does not like the gladhanding with boosters, fans, etc. I do not think he ever recovered from that time he said something like "that is how they do it here" or something like that where "he" clearly did not view himself as part of "they". Btw, I get your point about the most popular guy in the state....but nobody is or will be more beloved in the state than Huggy Bear.

[WVRed]

I do not think Dana ever saw WVU as the final stop, and never really embraced the culture. I always felt Dana was a OC masquerading as a head coach. He loves running an offense, does not really pay attention to defense, and does not like the gladhanding with boosters, fans, etc. I do not think he ever recovered from that time he said something like "that is how they do it here" or something like that where "he" clearly did not view himself as part of "they". Btw, I get your point about the most popular guy in the state....but nobody is or will be more beloved in the state than Huggy Bear.

Agree on Huggins, but football will always trump basketball in WV, regardless of Huggins.

[adkindo]

Agree on Huggins, but football will always trump basketball in WV, regardless of Huggins.

like most southern states....WV has it's priorities straight ;)

[GAC]

I mean I get the goal of going to a bowl but I think they have really been devalued over the past decade.

There's 41 Bowl games. Way too many IMO. You only need a .500 record - and sometimes not even that - to be bowl eligible. So yeah, as an older-timer, it has devalued the meaning of the Bowl game IMO. But that's the nature of the beast anymore. Probably won't watch half the schedule; but understand why it's done. Lots of money flowing everywhere with 41 "Spring Breaks" going on all over the country. T'is the season to be jolly! (LOL).

[RedsBaron]

I am an Alabama fan but a cartoon I saw this morning made me laugh. It showed Nick Saban with the caption: "In 2019 I've lost to the Clemson Tigers, the LSU Tigers and the Auburn Tigers. I can't even stand to look at a box of Frosted Flakes."

[oregonred]

I am an Alabama fan but a cartoon I saw this morning made me laugh. It showed Nick Saban with the caption: "In 2019 I've lost to the Clemson Tigers, the LSU Tigers and the Auburn Tigers. I can't even stand to look at a box of Frosted Flakes."

Saban instructed AD to schedule the Massillon Tigers to open the 2020 season

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How is it Buckeyes against the world?

Guess a play off the LeBron shirts a few years ago

Don't think too many people are going to be sad if Clemson loses

[North]

I am an Alabama fan but a cartoon I saw this morning made me laugh. It showed Nick Saban with the caption: "In 2019 I've lost to the Clemson Tigers, the LSU Tigers and the Auburn Tigers. I can't even stand to look at a box of Frosted Flakes."

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[Boston Red]

North Dakota State definitely looks gettable this year.

[adkindo]

North Dakota State definitely looks gettable this year.

I did not watch game, but that score does not resemble how NDSU usually takes care of 10-5 teams in the Quarterfinals....still expect them to get to the finals and lose to James Madison.

[GAC]

Nothing like watching a football game (Army-Navy), where between the two teams total there was five passing attempts for 26 yards, and 102 rushing attempts for 518 yards!

Navy QB was 1 fer 1 passing for 1 yd, and a TD. Ended with a QBR of 99.0 LOL

[RichRed]

Nothing like watching a football game (Army-Navy), where between the two teams total there was five passing attempts for 26 yards, and 102 rushing attempts for 518 yards!

Navy QB was 1 fer 1 passing for 1 yd, and a TD. Ended with a QBR of 99.0 LOL

It wasn’t even the QB who threw that pass. Their QB, Perry, did run for an insane 304 yards though!

[WVRed]

To the surprise of no one, Burrow won the Heisman.

What was surprising was that Hurts finished second. Justin Fields also finished ahead of Chase Young.

[dubc47834]

To the surprise of no one, Burrow won the Heisman.

What was surprising was that Hurts finished second. Justin Fields also finished ahead of Chase Young.

My guess...Fields and Youngs votes canceled each other out. Always tough when a team has 2 candidates!!!

[adkindo]

To the surprise of no one, Burrow won the Heisman.

What was surprising was that Hurts finished second. Justin Fields also finished ahead of Chase Young.

I saw a projection before that had Hurts #2...not sure if it was ESPN, CBS, etc. Hurts just had bigger numbers.

[GAC]

Had no issue with the Heisman voting at all. Out of the four top positions the Buckeyes had two of them. I certainly hope no one is whining about that (LOL)

[Todd Gack]

How is it Buckeyes against the world?

Classic OSU fans.

[RedTeamGo!]

Classic OSU fans.

Everyone in the media has picked them to lose.

[Sea Ray]

Everyone in the media has picked them to lose.

Everybody has picked the Sooners to lose. Why is it all about the Buckeyes?

[RedTeamGo!]

Everybody has picked the Sooners to lose. Why is it all about the Buckeyes?

Why are Ohio state fans talking about Ohio state? Is that a serious question?

[adkindo]

I am ready to put in my picks for the semi-finals.

LSU over Oklahoma
Clemson over Ohio State

[Sea Ray]

Why are Ohio state fans talking about Ohio state? Is that a serious question?

Why is it all about Ohio State and feeling sorry for them 'cause the world's against them? If you'd look further than Columbus you'd see that the world's not against you

[jimbo]

Why is it all about Ohio State and feeling sorry for them 'cause the world's against them? If you'd look further than Columbus you'd see that the world's not against you

What the hell are you talking about? Is there one Buckeye fan here acting as if everyone should feel sorry for them?

[RedTeamGo!]

Why is it all about Ohio State and feeling sorry for them 'cause the world's against them? If you'd look further than Columbus you'd see that the world's not against you

Jesus. It’s a fun saying that was on a t-shirt that went viral when they played Bama in 2014.

[Sea Ray]

Jesus. It’s a fun saying that was on a t-shirt that went viral when they played Bama in 2014.

That was more appropriate. Now OSU has arguably the most talent of any team.

[kaldaniels]

I posted this over a month ago.


I think I've stumbled upon the next angle of attack on OSU.

It's that this is such a talented team, anything short of a NC will deem this season a failure and will be a stain on the coaching staff and players. I don't lose any sleep over such accusations but I've seem the seeds of this being planted.

In case anyone is wondering I just felt like posting again it for the heck of it.

[RedTeamGo!]

That was more appropriate. Now OSU has arguably the most talent of any team.

And yet Vegas and every “expert” has picked Clemson.

[Sea Ray]

I posted this over a month ago.



In case anyone is wondering I just felt like posting again it for the heck of it.

Nobody's attacking Ohio State. A fan created this title and it sure sounds like that fan has an inferiority complex and considering that Ohio State is one of the very few "haves", that's nuts.

As for losing to Clemson if it were to happen, there's no shame in that. I sure wouldn't call OSU a failure for that

[Sea Ray]

And yet Vegas and every “expert” has picked Clemson.

I don't know if that's true but how many are picking OU to beat LSU?

[Boston Red]

I posted this over a month ago.



In case anyone is wondering I just felt like posting again it for the heck of it.

As at the time you posted it, the only people I've seen make this case are Ohio State fans.

[WVRed]

Nobody's attacking Ohio State. A fan created this title and it sure sounds like that fan has an inferiority complex and considering that Ohio State is one of the very few "haves", that's nuts.

As for losing to Clemson if it were to happen, there's no shame in that. I sure wouldn't call OSU a failure for that

If you are referring to me there’s no complex. I’ve done different titles for different threads. One had to be edited because I upset some Bengals fans by referencing the Bungles.

It’s more of a play on the conspiracy theorists but to be honest every fan base has them, including Kentucky basketball. [emoji846]

[GAC]

And yet Vegas and every “expert” has picked Clemson.

It's a two point spread. Ain't saying much other then the odds-makers slightly favor Clemson. What all are they taking into consideration? #1 is QB Field's health (knee), even with the rest. There's a question mark. #2 is Clemson's resume when it comes to the CFP. This same team is the reigning national champs who whipped up on a talented Alabama team 44-16. They're an experienced team, well coached, went undefeated, and has consistently been there. So giving them a slight edge doesn't bother me one bit. And being a slight underdog should motivate this Buckeye team too.

The only way you beat all the media BS is by going out there, proving them wrong, and just winning.

These are four talented teams, powered by very similar offenses and talented QBs. IMO, it's going to be a defensive coordinator's nightmare because these so-called elite defenses that everyone brags and harps on all season ... turns into a pumpkin come play-off time. And it's going to be the same this year too IMO.

It's all about match-ups.

Clemson-Ohio State? The match-up is closer then before ('16). Who is going to control that line of scrimmage? Clemson has to stop our running game. Their run D is tops, right there with Ohio State. For the Buckeyes it's about exerting pressure on QB Lawrence, and a HUGE test for our secondary.

If there is a Buckeye fan who says they aren't worried about this upcoming game then they're in denial (LOL).

Yeah, Ohio State can win this game IMO. Tough test. But I like it. Because if they beat Clemson they've already passed "the" test, and it shows me, yeah, they can beat LSU.

But first things first.

[Sea Ray]

More and more sit out each year. If you are a first rounder or if you are a second rounder, you will see those guys sit out at a higher rate.

It may be different for me as an OSU fan, but its playoff or bust, the only bowl game that really excites me as an OSU fan would be the Rose Bowl. But even when they play in the BCS Bowls, it just doesn't mean much.


Considering both teams, especially Alabama, will have a significant amount of players sitting out for the draft, I don’t think it’ll have much significance except for the future of the programs.

Those were comments from the previous college football thread. Michigan players have announced that none of them will sit out. Jerry Jeudy announced that he's not sitting out. Where are all these Alabama players sitting out? Practice has begun. I think we'd hear by now if a wave of guys were sitting out this year's Bowl games. I think it's incorrect to state that "more and more sit out each year."

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's a two point spread. Ain't saying much other then the odds-makers slightly favor Clemson. What all are they taking into consideration? #1 is QB Field's health (knee), even with the rest. There's a question mark. #2 is Clemson's resume when it comes to the CFP. This same team is the reigning national champs who whipped up on a talented Alabama team 44-16. They're an experienced team, well coached, went undefeated, and has consistently been there. So giving them a slight edge doesn't bother me one bit. And being a slight underdog should motivate this Buckeye team too.

The only way you beat all the media BS is by going out there, proving them wrong, and just winning.

These are four talented teams, powered by very similar offenses and talented QBs. IMO, it's going to be a defensive coordinator's nightmare because these so-called elite defenses that everyone brags and harps on all season ... turns into a pumpkin come play-off time. And it's going to be the same this year too IMO.

It's all about match-ups.

Clemson-Ohio State? The match-up is closer then before ('16). Who is going to control that line of scrimmage? Clemson has to stop our running game. Their run D is tops, right there with Ohio State. For the Buckeyes it's about exerting pressure on QB Lawrence, and a HUGE test for our secondary.

If there is a Buckeye fan who says they aren't worried about this upcoming game then they're in denial (LOL).

Yeah, Ohio State can win this game IMO. Tough test. But I like it. Because if they beat Clemson they've already passed "the" test, and it shows me, yeah, they can beat LSU.

But first things first.

I agree with most of this, but just a point to quibble, it’s not the same Clemson team. They don’t have Ferrell, Wilkins and Lawrence who all went in the first round and were an absolutely terrifying defensive line. I still think Clemson is elite and they replaced those guys with good guys, but it’s not the same. I think it’s shifted from a massive advantage for Clemson the last couple seasons to an advantage for OSU. But like I said in the OSU thread, it’s a little hard to tell due to Clemsons lack of competition and will be interesting to watch early.

[Slyder]

Everyone in the media has picked them to lose.


Who cares?

If I were a gambling man and took every majority of winners... I'd be flat broke.

[oregonred]

Nobody's attacking Ohio State. A fan created this title and it sure sounds like that fan has an inferiority complex and considering that Ohio State is one of the very few "haves", that's nuts.

As for losing to Clemson if it were to happen, there's no shame in that. I sure wouldn't call OSU a failure for that

I thought this title was created by a Kentucky/WVU fan?

Think it comes down to Fields being near 100%. They will need the full playbook to beat Clemson

[oregonred]

Beating defending champion, 28-game winning streak Clemson with 2021 1a QB Trevor Lawrence

Then having to defeat LSU in New Orleans with 2020 1a QB Joe Burrow

A duanting task and arguably would be the most earned championship in NCAA History

[kaldaniels]

I thought this title was created by a Kentucky/WVU fan?

Think it comes down to Fields being near 100%. They will need the full playbook to beat Clemson

Yeah, can we square this up before going forward? I've read "typical OSU fans" and "sounds like that fan has an inferiority complex".

But is it even a OSU fan?

[oregonred]

Yeah, can we square this up before going forward? I've read "typical OSU fans" and "sounds like that fan has an inferiority complex".

But is it even a OSU fan?

It's a UK Football Fan. (yes apparently they exist)

The title should be changed by a moderator as the title is clearly an intent to troll Buckeye Nation

[kaldaniels]

It's a UK Football Fan. (yes apparently they exist)

The title should be changed by a moderator as the title is clearly an intent to troll Buckeye Nation

So (unconfirmed) it was a troll at OSU fans. But it was done by a non-OSU fan.

And (confirmed) some others used the thread title to get some digs in. (“Nuts”, “Typical OSU fan”)

And none of any of this was done by fans (in the sense that OSU is their favorite team) of OSU.

And it’s been asked in this very thread “why is it always about the Buckeyes”.

Interesting.

[Boston Red]

LOL, this thread got Sea Ray'd!

[WVRed]

Feel free to change the title. If I knew it was going to cause this much of an uproar, I’d have opted for something else.

I apologize to any Ohio State fan who took it as trolling.

[Sea Ray]

I thought this title was created by a Kentucky/WVU fan?

Think it comes down to Fields being near 100%. They will need the full playbook to beat Clemson

I said "a fan". Who he's a fan of, I can't say

[Sea Ray]

LOL, this thread got Sea Ray'd!

What's wrong with asking the question "why is it Buckeyes against the World?"

I said nothing like this:


It's a UK Football Fan. (yes apparently they exist)

The title should be changed by a moderator as the title is clearly an intent to troll Buckeye Nation

Yet you call me out? C'mon...

[BuckeyeRed27]

Beating defending champion, 28-game winning streak Clemson with 2021 1a QB Trevor Lawrence

Then having to defeat LSU in New Orleans with 2020 1a QB Joe Burrow

A duanting task and arguably would be the most earned championship in NCAA History

Plus the run up was three straight games against teams ranked in the Top 12. Can’t wait!

[kaldaniels]

I said "a fan". Who he's a fan of, I can't say

Darn those UK fans who have an inferiority complex regarding OSU. They mess everything up!

[Phoenix2]

It blows my mind that I've watched this OSU team destroy the Big 10 all season, all victories by double digits, completely annihilating many opponents, Top 5 Offense AND Defense, 2 Heisman finalists...and yet its an UNDERDOG in the CFP. Wow. I'm not questioning WHY OSU is the underdog (Clemson is loaded) but its amazing to have a season like this and NOT be the overwhelming standout and even in a discussion as one of the best teams ever.

[Sea Ray]

Feel free to change the title. If I knew it was going to cause this much of an uproar, I’d have opted for something else.

I apologize to any Ohio State fan who took it as trolling.

It is no surprise to me that it created an uproar. Just sayin'...

[BuckeyeRed27]

It blows my mind that I've watched this OSU team destroy the Big 10 all season, all victories by double digits, completely annihilating many opponents, Top 5 Offense AND Defense, 2 Heisman finalists...and yet its an UNDERDOG in the CFP. Wow. I'm not questioning WHY OSU is the underdog (Clemson is loaded) but its amazing to have a season like this and NOT be the overwhelming standout and even in a discussion as one of the best teams ever.

I absolutely love it.

[Sea Ray]

It blows my mind that I've watched this OSU team destroy the Big 10 all season, all victories by double digits, completely annihilating many opponents, Top 5 Offense AND Defense, 2 Heisman finalists...and yet its an UNDERDOG in the CFP. Wow. I'm not questioning WHY OSU is the underdog (Clemson is loaded) but its amazing to have a season like this and NOT be the overwhelming standout and even in a discussion as one of the best teams ever.

First of all, it's tough to call them an underdog. It's pretty much a pick 'em game but I can see why Vegas is going slightly with Clemson. It's due to history. Clemson has historically (under Debo) been very successful in the post season and OSU is under a new coach with which there's no track record. Neither team was challenged in their conference this yr

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I absolutely love it.

That's a good attitude. I think this helps OSU

[kaldaniels]

It is no surprise to me that it created an uproar. Just sayin'...

I mean when non-OSU fans stir the pot to the point where it's said "Classic OSU fans" and "why do they feel sorry for themselves"...when the OSU fans really hadn't chimed in at all (other than a benign answer to a question "everyone is picking them to lose") it's no surprise to me either that there was some pushback. I don't know how else to explain it, but it makes sense to me.

[WVRed]

I mean when non-OSU fans stir the pot to the point where it's said "Classic OSU fans" and "why do they feel sorry for themselves"...when the OSU fans really hadn't chimed in at all (other than a benign answer to a question "everyone is picking them to lose") it's no surprise to me either that there was some pushback. I don't know how else to explain it, but it makes sense to me.

And this is why it created an uproar.

[Sea Ray]

I mean when non-OSU fans stir the pot to the point where it's said "Classic OSU fans" and "why do they feel sorry for themselves"...when the OSU fans really hadn't chimed in at all (other than a benign answer to a question "everyone is picking them to lose") it's no surprise to me either that there was some pushback. I don't know how else to explain it, but it makes sense to me.

It makes sense to me that you'll get those responses not to the thread title but to posts like this:


It's that this is such a talented team, anything short of a NC will deem this season a failure and will be a stain on the coaching staff and players. I don't lose any sleep over such accusations but I've seem the seeds of this being planted.

Nobody's calling OSU a failure. You're seeing ghosts

[kaldaniels]

It makes sense to me that you'll get those responses not to the thread title but to posts like this:



Nobody's calling OSU a failure. You're seeing ghosts

But,but...my post was after those 2 remarks I cited. Now I did post that on another thread over a month ago. So you could say you weren’t responding to the thread title but my post from a month ago in other thread...

It’s very clear. The “Classic OSU fan” and “why do they feel sorry for themselves” was in response to this thread title and its aftermath.

As to my remark as I said I won’t lose a bit of sleep if that happens but I can see the remarks coming. That’s all.

Now I can’t speak for everyone but I think there were a few on here who wrote their response to the title thinking it was an OSU fan who started the thread. It’s ok to just say “oops.”

[kaldaniels]

Feel free to change the title. If I knew it was going to cause this much of an uproar, I’d have opted for something else.

I apologize to any Ohio State fan who took it as trolling.

No problem. I truly just took at as a catchy thread title, not trolling. (Which was why I put unconfirmed in my post)

I suspect after reading the above anyone who thought it was trolling will change their mind.

[GAC]

I agree with most of this, but just a point to quibble, it’s not the same Clemson team. They don’t have Ferrell, Wilkins and Lawrence who all went in the first round and were an absolutely terrifying defensive line. I still think Clemson is elite and they replaced those guys with good guys, but it’s not the same. I think it’s shifted from a massive advantage for Clemson the last couple seasons to an advantage for OSU. But like I said in the OSU thread, it’s a little hard to tell due to Clemsons lack of competition and will be interesting to watch early.

I know it's not the same Clemson team. But Clemson's run D is top 10, right there with us. I hope that doesn't prove to be a problem for the Bucks. It worked in '16 (beat us with your passing game)... but Fields in not J.T. either. OSU has to run the ball to win.

But I also think QB Lawrence has a better receiving corp that what Watson had with Tee Higgins, Amari Rodgers and Justyn Ross (combined -134 passes, 2,204 yards, 25 TDs touchdowns). IMO, Ohio State's secondary is going to get their biggest test because, IMO, they didn't face any opposition that had Clemson's QB/passing attack. That's why they are going to need to control that line of scrimmage and pressure/disrupt Lawrence. We're going to find out how good Chase Young is too, because this is where you have to shine. ;)

[BuckeyeRed27]

I know it's not the same Clemson team. But Clemson's run D is top 10, right there with us. I hope that doesn't prove to be a problem for the Bucks. It worked in '16 (beat us with your passing game)... but Fields in not J.T. either. OSU has to run the ball to win.

But I also think QB Lawrence has a better receiving corp that what Watson had with Tee Higgins, Amari Rodgers and Justyn Ross (combined -134 passes, 2,204 yards, 25 TDs touchdowns). IMO, Ohio State's secondary is going to get their biggest test because, IMO, they didn't face any opposition that had Clemson's QB/passing attack. That's why they are going to need to control that line of scrimmage and pressure/disrupt Lawrence. We're going to find out how good Chase Young is too, because this is where you have to shine. ;)

Yeah I just don’t know who Clemson played that would have challenged their run defense and they were also ahead a lot so other teams weren’t running. I think Dobbins and Fields will give them problems.

Defensively I’m right there with you. If Young and the line get pressure and if Okudah can lock down one of those guys, I think this score might get pretty sideways. If they can’t, we have a ball game.

[bucksfan2]

Yeah I just don’t know who Clemson played that would have challenged their run defense and they were also ahead a lot so other teams weren’t running. I think Dobbins and Fields will give them problems.

Defensively I’m right there with you. If Young and the line get pressure and if Okudah can lock down one of those guys, I think this score might get pretty sideways. If they can’t, we have a ball game.

Clemson's defensive numbers should be great this season based upon their schedule. They have been far better than any team they faced. Its kinds of my curiosity going into this game, how good are they.

I have said this in another thread, their D is good, but they don't have that NFL ready DLine this season. That makes a massive difference and part of the reason I think they are getting slightly overvalued in this game.

Defensively for OSU I wonder about a few things, will this be a Barron Browning game. He is far more athletic and faster than Tuf. He plays in space better, but Tuf is good at clogging up the lanes. Also, OSU tends to play 3 corners, one safety, three LB's. A good OC with talent will get Pete Warner exposed deep. Will we see more of Josh Proctor this game?

If Chase can get constant pressure, I do think OSU will win this game.

[oregonred]

Neither defense has faced an elite QB this year that can pass and run the ball as needed. Four of the select few are in the CFP. That's the biggest unknown for both teams.

LSU D is a bit more tested facing Tua but they've given up a lot of points against Texas, Miss and Bama

It was a complete mismatch in 2016 with the inaccurate and weak armed JT Barrett and a suspect OSU Defense vs. Deshaun Watson

The CFP will be all about the quarterbacks and which team(s) can get the key stops at the right time

[adkindo]

I absolutely love it.

I would too if I was an Ohio State fan....made the coaches job a lot easier making sure his team is focused and ready to play...just post those Vegas odds around the locker room so they see them every day.

[Chip R]

RIP Hayden Fry

https://amp.hawkcentral.com/amp/2680123001?__twitter_impression=true

[adkindo]

LSU D is a bit more tested facing Tua but they've given up a lot of points against Texas, Miss and Bama

I know this is not your point, but I have seen a lot of message board stuff recently pointing out the Ole Miss game, and while 38 points is too much, Ole Miss actually had a pretty good offense this season. Also, that Texas team they played was not the same team as the year progressed. Texas looked like Big 12 favorites early, then they just fell apart as soon as things did not go well.

[RedTeamGo!]

I know this is not your point, but I have seen a lot of message board stuff recently pointing out the Ole Miss game, and while 38 points is too much, Ole Miss actually had a pretty good offense this season. Also, that Texas team they played was not the same team as the year progressed. Texas looked like Big 12 favorites early, then they just fell apart as soon as things did not go well.

The only reason Texas ever looked good was because of preseason hype. Terrible team.

[GAC]

Yeah I just don’t know who Clemson played that would have challenged their run defense and they were also ahead a lot so other teams weren’t running. I think Dobbins and Fields will give them problems.

Defensively I’m right there with you. If Young and the line get pressure and if Okudah can lock down one of those guys, I think this score might get pretty sideways. If they can’t, we have a ball game.

And that is a very valid point concerning their regular season schedule, conference strength, level of competition. You want my honest opinion? .... while that's all we have to go on, and when it comes to SoS, I don't pay too much attention to it for a good part of the season because it's too small of a window. Teams are rising and falling all over the place. You have to let the process unfold to get a more accurate (complete) assessment. And even then it's still guess work because what was the level of the talent they built that resume (stats) on? In this particular instance - I'd definitely give the edge to Ohio State .... the Bucks SoS was 8th, with 3 top 10 wins, and 4 vs top 30. Clemson SoS was 61st with 2 top 30 teams.

But it's not Clemson's fault that their conference was weaker this year, and thus, so was Clemson's schedule. Clemson still did what they had to do. And this team has experience, and won it last year pretty convincingly over Alabama. And their coach is one of the best. Some talk about a bias or "disrespect" towards OSU by the media/pundits. I think that is even more true concerning Clemson this year. And Clemson has a chip on their shoulder, and the motivation is to prove all these naysayers and skeptics wrong. They're not Alabama. ;)

Gonna be a helluva a game IMO. But one stark reality is, when it gets to the CFP .... defenses don't shine (for the most part). Wouldn't be surprised to see 60-70 pts scored total in this one.

And Okudah is one of the best corners in the country - if not the best.

[GAC]

Feel free to change the title. If I knew it was going to cause this much of an uproar, I’d have opted for something else.

I apologize to any Ohio State fan who took it as trolling.

What amazes me is that you've been on this forum since the beginning, I know you, most know you, and you've always been open about where your loyalties lie when it comes to college sports. And No you're not an OSU fan. I've always known that. Yet so many on here, obviously, didn't know that, and are scratching their heads trying to figure out if you're a troll or not. I find that funny (LOL)

[GAC]

It blows my mind that I've watched this OSU team destroy the Big 10 all season, all victories by double digits, completely annihilating many opponents, Top 5 Offense AND Defense, 2 Heisman finalists...and yet its an UNDERDOG in the CFP. Wow. I'm not questioning WHY OSU is the underdog (Clemson is loaded) but its amazing to have a season like this and NOT be the overwhelming standout and even in a discussion as one of the best teams ever.

Because if anyone but LSU wins the championship then ESPN and every other sports outlet will be furious. They've already told us who is, or should, win. It's settled. Think of it like the '16 election (LMAO)

[Phoenix2]

This is the best OSU team I've ever seen. They are better than previous national champs- 2002 when that team barely beat many foes. They are better than 2014 who lost to Virginia Tech at home. And yet here they are as underdogs.

I'm going to the Fiesta Bowl and was there when Clemson won 31-0. I'm certainly expecting a better showing! Clemson is an all-star team playing in a woeful conference. Dabo's biggest challenge all season has been keeping his team motivated. He's been playing the "disrespect" card and they know they are up against a great Ohio State team.

[bucksfan2]

And that is a very valid point concerning their regular season schedule, conference strength, level of competition. You want my honest opinion? .... while that's all we have to go on, and when it comes to SoS, I don't pay too much attention to it for a good part of the season because it's too small of a window. Teams are rising and falling all over the place. You have to let the process unfold to get a more accurate (complete) assessment. And even then it's still guess work because what was the level of the talent they built that resume (stats) on? In this particular instance - I'd definitely give the edge to Ohio State .... the Bucks SoS was 8th, with 3 top 10 wins, and 4 vs top 30. Clemson SoS was 61st with 2 top 30 teams.

But it's not Clemson's fault that their conference was weaker this year, and thus, so was Clemson's schedule. Clemson still did what they had to do. And this team has experience, and won it last year pretty convincingly over Alabama. And their coach is one of the best. Some talk about a bias or "disrespect" towards OSU by the media/pundits. I think that is even more true concerning Clemson this year. And Clemson has a chip on their shoulder, and the motivation is to prove all these naysayers and skeptics wrong. They're not Alabama. ;)

Gonna be a helluva a game IMO. But one stark reality is, when it gets to the CFP .... defenses don't shine (for the most part). Wouldn't be surprised to see 60-70 pts scored total in this one.

And Okudah is one of the best corners in the country - if not the best.

A couple of things popped into my head in dealing with their schedule. One was the Bengals game against the Pats. The Pats played sloppy, they played a poor game, but ended up winning by a lot because the Bengals were that bad. Had they played like that against a playoff team, they lose by multiple scores. The second thing that popped into my mind was when American soccer players go from Europe to the MLS. They just don't need to be as precise, they can get away with being a little sloppy because it isn't punished at that level as much.

Clemson had the luxury of working on things throughout the season. Once TAMU was proven a fraud, there were really no other teams that could even match up with them. They got a scare from UNC, but skated through their entire schedule other than that one day. If they are clicking on all cylinders, it could be one heck of a game.

On OSU there is some curiosity on how well Day and co make adjustments early in the game. Over the season they tended to start a little slow and then really turn it on. They can't afford for the offense to stagnate for the first few drives and fall behind a couple of scores.

[Sea Ray]

The key here to my eye is the Ohio State offensive line. They've dominated every game I saw this year. They've opened up huge holes for Dobbins and Fields to run through. If they continue to be the dominant force on the field then they'll win the whole thing.If some defense can neutralize them then it becomes a ballgame. I've seen that o-line dominate teams like Mich and PSU. I think those are good teams but if they get exposed in the Bowl season then it's possible that they're weak sisters too. That OSU o-line is awesome

[Boston Red]

Clemson had the luxury of working on things throughout the season. Once TAMU was proven a fraud, there were really no other teams that could even match up with them. They got a scare from UNC, but skated through their entire schedule other than that one day. If they are clicking on all cylinders, it could be one heck of a game.


I think they skated through the first half of their schedule. The second half of the season they were murdering people. You don't get full credit for smoking mediocre to bad competition, but they were doing exactly what an elite team should do to that level of competition.

[adkindo]

The only reason Texas ever looked good was because of preseason hype. Terrible team.

it is hard to argue with them not being good, but go back and watch that LSU game. They looked really solid. Ehlinger was playing above anything we had seen before....his overall production was equal to Burrows that day. We know Texas has LSU/Ohio State level talent...but they appeared to lose their confidence after the LSU game.

[*BaseClogger*]

nm

[*BaseClogger*]

I think the key is the Clemson OL. How good are they? From what I've read, their strength is in the middle of the line but the tackles are unproven. It is going to be imperative that Chase Young have a big game. He didn't get his name called a whole lot against Michigan or Wisconsin, but they probably have superior line play. And by the same token, if Young is getting double-teamed, the other D-lineman have to make plays...

edit: think I got my Clemson OL scouting reports mixed up, their strength is at tackle, not the middle

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think the key is the Clemson OL. How good are they? From what I've read, their strength is in the middle of the line but the tackles are unproven. It is going to be imperative that Chase Young have a big game. He didn't get his name called a whole lot against Michigan or Wisconsin, but they probably have superior line play. And by the same token, if Young is getting double-teamed, the other D-lineman have to make plays...

edit: think I got my Clemson OL scouting reports mixed up, their strength is at tackle, not the middle

Right Clemson has a former 5 star from Ohio playing LT and he is their best lineman. He was thought to be more of a guard and isn’t very fast for a tackle, so it’s still a big matchup question. The right side of their line is one of the only spots on the team that doesn’t have projected NFL talent right now.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Lot of smoke out there that up to 10 Oklahoma players are going to be suspended for failed drug tests.

[Boston Red]

Lot of smoke out there that up to 10 Oklahoma players are going to be suspended for failed drug tests.

First reaction was that, even though it's not possible, the #5 team should really jump into Oklahoma's spot if this is the case. Then I realized that #5 is Georgia, and we've already seen that rodeo. So, whatever, congrats on your bye LSU if this story is true.

So far, three guys. One starter.

[Todd Gack]

Why are Ohio state fans talking about Ohio state? Is that a serious question?

OSU fans are always the victims. Not everyone has picked them to lose. Clemson is an unknown because of their crappy schedule. OSU has as good of an argument as anyone to be the #1 team. This is arguably one of their best teams ever and yet, the entire world is against them for unknown reasons.

[Sea Ray]

OSU fans are always the victims. Not everyone has picked them to lose. Clemson is an unknown because of their crappy schedule. OSU has as good of an argument as anyone to be the #1 team. This is arguably one of their best teams ever and yet, the entire world is against them for unknown reasons.

I found RTG's comments troubling in that I don't think most pundits have even made a prediction yet for this game. I'm sure not all of them will pick Clemson

[GAC]

OSU fans are always the victims. Not everyone has picked them to lose. Clemson is an unknown because of their crappy schedule. OSU has as good of an argument as anyone to be the #1 team. This is arguably one of their best teams ever and yet, the entire world is against them for unknown reasons.

I've been a Buckeye fan for over 50 years, and I've never felt the victim, nor would allow myself to be one. And as a member of the elderly community now, I see all this whining, victim playing, wanting instant gratification, as a generational issue. It's the entire younger generation, regardless who your team is (LOL). It's gotten kind of nuts IMO. It's like sports is no longer a passion ... it's an obsession.

[GAC]

Lot of smoke out there that up to 10 Oklahoma players are going to be suspended for failed drug tests.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28327353/sources-three-oklahoma-players-suspended-cfp-semifinal-game-vs-lsu


The Oklahoma Sooners will be without at least three players for their College Football Playoff semifinal game against LSU at the Chick-fil-A Peach Bowl on Dec. 28 because of suspensions, sources confirmed to ESPN on Wednesday.

It wasn't immediately clear if the players -- starting defensive end Ronnie Perkins, running back Rhamondre Stevenson and receiver Trejan Bridges -- would also miss the CFP National Championship on Jan. 13 (8 p.m. ET, ESPN/ESPN App) if the No. 4 Sooners defeat the No. 1 Tigers in their semifinal game.

[Roy Tucker]

I've been a Buckeye fan for over 50 years, and I've never felt the victim, nor would allow myself to be one. And as a member of the elderly community now, I see all this whining, victim playing, wanting instant gratification, as a generational issue. It's the entire younger generation, regardless who your team is (LOL). It's gotten kind of nuts IMO. It's like sports is no longer a passion ... it's an obsession.

Get off my lawn, GAC ;)

[Ohayou]

Wonder where Utah QB Tyler Huntley goes in next years draft. One of the more interesting prospects, IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDRPvOscVLE

[WVRed]

Tragic:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/28367265/edward-aschoff-espn-college-football-reporter-dies-age-34

Thoughts and prayers with his family. Hate to imagine anyone losing their life and especially on their birthday the day before Christmas.

[adkindo]

Tragic:

https://www.espn.com/espn/story/_/id/28367265/edward-aschoff-espn-college-football-reporter-dies-age-34

Thoughts and prayers with his family. Hate to imagine anyone losing their life and especially on their birthday the day before Christmas.

have you heard or read what illness he had?

[paintmered]

have you heard or read what illness he had?

Pneumonia

[WVRed]

Pneumonia

Honestly surprised the ESPN article didn’t mention that, but yeah. He contracted pneumonia while covering the OSU-Michigan game.

[Boston Red]

I didn't know that otherwise healthy, young people died from pneumonia in the US anymore. That's horribly sad.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I didn't know that otherwise healthy, young people died from pneumonia in the US anymore. That's horribly sad.

I asked my doctor buddy about this today and he can’t imagine what could have happened here outside of an allergic reaction to the medication.

[adkindo]

I didn't know that otherwise healthy, young people died from pneumonia in the US anymore. That's horribly sad.

I knew there were more deaths annually from the flu and pneumonia that most realize, but apparently it is not a rare as I thought for adults (18-60ish). I thought most were very young or very old.


Half of all non-immunocompromised adults hospitalized for severe pneumonia in the US are younger adults (18-57 years of age). Half the deaths from bacteremic pneumococcal pneumonia occur in people ages 18-64.

https://www.thoracic.org/patients/patient-resources/resources/top-pneumonia-facts.pdf

[IslandRed]

After the news of Aschoff's tragic passing today, I read a lot of the discussions about pneumonia. If it gets a real foothold, it can be very dangerous regardless of age. And for most people, the early symptoms tend to mimic things that we assume will go away on their own after awhile. I know my mom had it when in her 30s. She fully recovered, thankfully, but it was much more serious than my sister and I were told at the time.

[JaxRed]

I keep saying I'm going to get the pneumonia vaccine.... this might light a fire under my butt

[North]

I knew there were more deaths annually from the flu and pneumonia that most realize, but apparently it is not a rare as I thought for adults (18-60ish). I thought most were very young or very old.



https://www.thoracic.org/patients/patient-resources/resources/top-pneumonia-facts.pdf

It does get referred to as "The Old Man's Friend."

"Pneumonia is called the old man's friend because, left untreated, the sufferer often lapses into a state of reduced consciousness, slipping peacefully away in their sleep, giving a dignified end to a period of often considerable suffering."

https://www.netdoctor.co.uk/ask-the-expert/cancer-faqs/a10366/why-is-pneumonia-called-the-old-mans-friend/


edit

If you are an OH resident, there is a revised do-not-resuscitate form:

https://odh.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/odh/know-our-programs/do-not-resuscitate-comfort-care/DoNotResuscitateDNR

[Boston Red]

Miami is incomprehensibly bad.

[Todd Gack]

Miami is incomprehensibly bad.

Thanks Donna Shalala.

[Boston Red]

The day is finally here! I’ll take Oklahoma +14 and Ohio State/Clemson under 63. I like Memphis +7 a lot, too.

[oregonred]

The first bowl game I watched more than 30mins so far and put USC in the WTH category, not quite Miami bad... Iowa rolled into Southern California and lit up the Trojans. Giving up 49 points and being completely physically dominated by Iowa OL, TE and skill players. Iowa moved the ball at will on offense. Where was this Iowa offense all year long? They put up 15 total points on Michigan and Penn State.

Nate Stanley looked like John Elway. Iowa looked fast compared to USC, not sure how that is even possible. I didn't notice but assume the Iowa sweater girls were better looking too

Kedon Slovis looked good for SC

Clay Helton back another year... There was a lot of Urban Meyer smoke for the SC job before he was brought back

[oregonred]

The day is finally here! I’ll take Oklahoma +14 and Ohio State/Clemson under 63. I like Memphis +7 a lot, too.

Didn't realize Memphis/PSU was today at noon

[MWM]

Iowa bearing USC was not surprising at all. They were a better team, but pretty much everyone picked USC because “it’s Iowa”, they can’t actually be a good team.

[Assembly Hall]

The B1G is 2-0

[Boston Red]

Clemson now -2.5 (and -113). Bettors really like the Tigers it seems. Really surprised this game isn’t a pick ‘em.

[Slyder]

Clemson now -2.5 (and -113). Bettors really like the Tigers it seems. Really surprised this game isn’t a pick ‘em.

Give me the over in OU and LSU, Under between Clem and OSU.

[adkindo]

Iowa bearing USC was not surprising at all. They were a better team, but pretty much everyone picked USC because “it’s Iowa”, they can’t actually be a good team.

it was a tight game with USC driving to take the lead when Slovis got hurt and left the game.....Iowa scored 21 unanswered points after Slovis exited. Not sure the score was an accurate illustration of the two teams if Slovis remains in the game.

[Boston Red]

Memphis tried to get too cute on their opening drive in Dallas. Their normal plays worked fine. Their "trick" plays got buried. Cost them 4 points. Also dropped a pick 6 on Penn State's opening drive. Those missed opportunities may come back to haunt them.

[MWM]

I think Clemson will win comfortably. As great as the Buckeyes have been this year overall, the offense looked very stoppable on a few occasions. It was never for an entire game, but there were times they struggled to move the ball. Clemson’s defense is good and I think could frustrate the buckeye offense. And while Trevor Lawrence didn’t have the season many thought he would, I’m not sure there’s anyone I’d want at qb over him.

I hope I’m wrong but the Bucks may be a year away.

[Boston Red]

On the other side, Penn State had a running back carry the entire Memphis defense into the end zone, so what do they do in their next drive? Call three pass plays, of course. Three and out.

[adkindo]

Clemson Football Wins on the Field But Can’t Compete on Profit


Clemson made a $7.6 million profit on football in fiscal 2018, according to documents obtained through open-records requests. That’s dwarfed by the University of Oklahoma’s $73.3 million, Ohio State University at $64.6 million and Louisiana State University‘s $55 million.

LINK (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-12-27/clemson-football-wins-on-the-field-but-can-t-compete-on-profit)

[Boston Red]

I'd check the accounting on some of that, but it does give you a sense of what could happen when the current round of TV contracts and grants of rights expire.

[Boston Red]

Penn State's offensive coordinator should probably be fired if he calls another pass play today.

[adkindo]

I'd check the accounting on some of that, but it does give you a sense of what could happen when the current round of TV contracts and grants of rights expire.

what makes you say that? One appear high? low?

[Boston Red]

I just wonder if they're really comparable. Accounting for the "profit" of college athletics is always shaky. Is everyone including the same sources of revenue and the same expenses? Are they allocating those revenues and expenses the same way? Etc. That gulf seems a little wide to not include some accounting differences.

[Todd Gack]

Penn State's offensive coordinator should probably be fired if he calls another pass play today.

I was screaming at the TV when he called a pass played on one of those Goal-To-Go’s situation.

Run, Run, Run, Run, Run, Run....you get 70 yards on the drive and then coaches feel like they have to coach.

[Todd Gack]

Memphis looks completely outmanned. Game means a lot more to Tigers so you’d expect them to play better early.

PSU has made some great half time adjustments this year so I look for them to win by at least 3 TD’s or so.

[North]

Burning up the barn in the 1st half of the Cotton Bowl...600 yards, 58 points between Memphis and PSU.

[Boston Red]

Memphis looks completely outmanned. Game means a lot more to Tigers so you’d expect them to play better early.

PSU has made some great half time adjustments this year so I look for them to win by at least 3 TD’s or so.

Penn State can't really stop Memphis, either, though. Might get interesting if Memphis scores to start the second half. They're going to need a Penn State turnover or two to hang in. Or for Penn State to try throwing the ball more. :)

[Boston Red]

Penn State comes out throwing. Lol

[North]

Tick-tick-tick...

[Boston Red]

This Memphis FG kicker is legit.

[oregonred]

This Memphis FG kicker is legit.

Let's draft him in Round 5 then cut him so he can go to a Super Bowl team

signed, Mike Brown

[oregonred]

it was a tight game with USC driving to take the lead when Slovis got hurt and left the game.....Iowa scored 21 unanswered points after Slovis exited. Not sure the score was an accurate illustration of the two teams if Slovis remains in the game.

Hope he recovers in time for the 2020 season. Kid is legit NFL 1st round talent in the 2022 draft

Iowa OL and TEs were road grating the SC defense all game long before Slovis was hurt

SC is just in an inexplicable massive bad state right now with Helton coming back next year. They were mediocre before Pete Carroll and have been average most years since he left

[oregonred]

Clemson now -2.5 (and -113). Bettors really like the Tigers it seems. Really surprised this game isn’t a pick ‘em.

Think the Fields 80-85% knee comment is a factor

[Assembly Hall]

The B1G is now 3-0...

[Boston Red]

Looks like everyone was right about this being a three team playoff. Oklahoma just isn't in the same class.

[redhawkfish]

Horrible game to watch!

[KoryMac5]

Horrible game to watch!

Not if your a Bengals fan...

[paintmered]

Not if your a Bengals fan...

Mikey, can we keep him? Please?

[membengal]

Not if your a Bengals fan...

It’s the happiest moment I have had as a bengals fan since they were 8-0 in 2015.

[kaldaniels]

Buckeyes Against the World!!!!!!!!!!!

[dubc47834]

Even tho it's just a FG, good start by the Buckeyes!

[North]

Well alright!

[membengal]

That’s a great start.

[Assembly Hall]

Did Clemson receive the memo that they are playing a real team tonight?

[WVRed]

So how is Dobbins not projected higher than a second round pick?

Every time I’ve seen him this season he’s on par with Zeke.

[Benihana]

Joey Ballgame (hopefully) torching the Buckeyes will be sweet on so many levels

[North]

No running by Fields.

[WVRed]

Joey Ballgame (hopefully) torching the Buckeyes will be sweet on so many levels

As much as I would love to see it, not happening.

Burrow hasn’t played a defense like Ohio States in the SEC. Yes, they played Bama but Bama was down this year. Losing Dylan Moses really hurt them on that side of the ball.

Bama got to Burrow six times in that game and LSU squeaked by. Now they have Chase Young (assuming Clemson doesn’t wake up and realize they have to play to win)

[membengal]

So how is Dobbins not projected higher than a second round pick?

Every time I’ve seen him this season he’s on par with Zeke.

Got me. RB evaluations in today’s NFL are bizarre to me. Dobbins looks like an easy immediate fit into an NFL offense.

[MWM]

2 FGs with 1st and goal. Kicking FGs isn’t going to get it done. That Dobbens drop was big and may come back to haunt.

[dubc47834]

Tough call there!!!

[The Operator]

Settling for field goals so many times hurts.

Clemson still very much in this game.

[kaldaniels]

2 FGs with 1st and goal. Kicking FGs isn’t going to get it done. That Dobbens drop was big and may come back to haunt.

I’m confident if they do more of the same in the second half and put up 16 points again it will be enough.

Don’t get me wrong, I like touchdowns.

[MWM]

That targeting play is a game changer. Went from another punt to 16-7. Looked like targeting to me, but a couple of my friends are saying Lawrence lowered his head and that was the only reason their was helmet to helmet.

[Hillsdale87]

That was brutal. OSU needs to finish some drives, but that bad targeting call is massive. Should have been OSU's ball with a chance to close the half and instead we lose one of our best defenders and they get a TD. Refs have been too big of a story in the NFL and now have inserted themselves into the CFP


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[kaldaniels]

That targeting play is a game changer. Went from another punt to 16-7. Looked like targeting to me, but a couple of my friends are saying Lawrence lowered his head and that was the only reason their was helmet to helmet.

It was bang bang - tough call. If Lawrence raises up its a perfect hit. It is what it is.

[membengal]

Lawrence lowered his head - makes that targeting call extra hard to take.

[kaldaniels]

End of half boneheadness would be terrible here for OSU. Be smart guys.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That targeting is just an awful unacceptable call. Lawrence dropped his head, end of story. Awful and game changing. Good job refs.

[dubc47834]

WOW

[kaldaniels]

End of half boneheadness would be terrible here for OSU. Be smart guys.

That qualifies.

[dubc47834]

That targeting is just an awful unacceptable call. Lawrence dropped his head, end of story. Awful and game changing. Good job refs.

I do think it was a 50/50 call...but when you make a tackle looking at the ground, you open yourself up for that call!

[The Operator]

Well this is not good

[BuckeyeRed27]

I do think it was a 50/50 call...but when you make a tackle looking at the ground, you open yourself up for that call!

No, it was bad. Player drops his head getting tackled, it’s not targeting. Changed the whole game.

[Assembly Hall]

Clemson got the memo...

[Boston Red]

Took Clemson awhile to get up to speed with the level of competition, but they're there now. Should be a fantastic second half.

[dubc47834]

No, it was bad. Player drops his head getting tackled, it’s not targeting. Changed the whole game.

I disagree man!

Quick question...is there a targeting call where it's just a penalty and no ejection. I dont think that hit was worthy of an ejection!

[Roy Tucker]

SEC refs.

[RedTeamGo!]

That targeting call was complete and utter BS

[oregonred]

Fields can't run and Lawrence can. OSU is 1 dimensional and Clemson stacking the line.

Targeting call was an absolute game changer losing Wade and 16-0 with the ball...

[Boston Red]

I think the rule is bad, but I think that play fell within the rule as written.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think the rule is bad, but I think that play fell within the rule as written.

It absolutely did not. As soon as Lawrence dropped his head it’s over.

Whatever OSU dominated the non ref involved part of the half. Go do it again, they are the better team.

[oregonred]

By that definition every time an RB lowers his head would be a targeting review.

Fields going to have to stretch the field in the second half. Some designed runs and RPO to keep Clemson honest

[MWM]

Bucks deserve what they’re getting right now. You can lose aggression in games like these. It never works. That 3rd and 1 play call after the first Clemson TD was horrible. Everyone knew exactly what was coming. You can’t go 3 and out after that last Clemson possession. That play should have been treated like a 4th and 1 down in the 4th quarter. That was a huge play.

They went conservative the next possession too. You play like that and you’re not going to win the big games. It’s clear OSU has better players, but Clemson has the experience. It could get ugly in the 2nd half for OSU if they let Clemson come out and take the lead on their first possession of the 2nd half.

[adkindo]

never seen a team wanting to get to their locker room so bad at halftime.....be interesting to see how the teams come out in 2nd half

[oregonred]

Agree with MWM. Way too passive the series after the targeting aided TD

[oregonred]

Crazy to think Lawrence has another year before NFl eligible

[dubc47834]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2018/08/21/college-football-helmet-targeting-rule-explained

Nowhere does it say anything about it not being a foul if the offensive player lowers his head! I dont think the OSU player should have been ejected tho.

[Boston Red]

It absolutely did not. As soon as Lawrence dropped his head it’s over.


Perhaps that SHOULD be the rule.

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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/college/2018/08/21/college-football-helmet-targeting-rule-explained

Nowhere does it say anything about it not being a foul if the offensive player lowers his head! I dont think the OSU player should have been ejected tho.

There's no such thing as targeting that doesn't include ejection. Just a bad rule IMO.

[dubc47834]

Perhaps that SHOULD be the rule.

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There's no such thing as targeting that doesn't include ejection. Just a bad rule IMO.

I wasnt sure if they had a choice on that or not...I agree bad rule. But I understand why it exist!

[dubc47834]

The TV guys just explained it...doesnt matter that Lawrence lowered his head...the defender led with the crown of the helmet!

[Boston Red]

Looks like Dobbins is done.

[dubc47834]

Looks like Dobbins is done.

Tough to see a guy go down like that, with no contact!

[North]

Looks like Dobbins is done.

9 to 1 odds, wasn't it?

[Boston Red]

9 to 1 odds, wasn't it?

Yes. Not looking terrible, but LSU is better than expected.

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OSU is gifting this one to Clemson.

[MWM]

Why are they going after that kick? Bucks coaches getting some hard-learned lessons on coaching in big games tonight.

[The Operator]

A great defensive stop turns into roughing the kicker.


Can’t catch a break.

[Larkin Fan]

Bad play all around by the Bucks. They're giving Clemson this game with these idiotic penalties.

[dubc47834]

Why are they going after that kick? Bucks coaches getting some hard-learned lessons on coaching in big games tonight.

I dont think it's a bad call, just bad execution. Both OSU defenders were right there!

[The Operator]

And there goes the lead.


This is crazy.

[Larkin Fan]

This is ridiculous.

[MWM]

Ryan Day has a great future, but he’s got a lot to learn yet.

[Hillsdale87]

Buckeyes beating themselves. Clemson has 14 points after personal fouls when OSU should have gotten the ball back. When you include the 2 Dobbins dropped TDs that's a 22 point difference on basically unforced errors.


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[kaldaniels]

WHAAAAAA

[The Operator]

That’s a fumble! Watch them overturn it though

[dubc47834]

Should be an OSU TD

[kaldaniels]

3 steps after the “catch”

[North]

The ghost of Woody kicks in!

[The Operator]

Total BS call

Refs are killing OSU

[dubc47834]

OUCH...that sucks!!!

[kaldaniels]

If real time counts go with the real time call.

[North]

Southern-fried cooking. What a joke.

[The Operator]

Officiating is ruining football in many ways


That is sickening

[dfs]

The men in stripes are deciding the game. This is exactly what made me give up professional football.

[Roy Tucker]

SEC refs

[Boston Red]

SEC refs

There are no SEC teams playing, so I don't get the point.

[North]

SEC refs

You called it.

[MWM]

Has Clemson had a penalty since the first quarter?

[The Operator]

And now an interception


Literally nothing going right

[oregonred]

Complete joke on reversal. I mean horrible to overturn that one. Tough enough to beat Lawrence and Clemson as it is

[kaldaniels]

Touchdown please.

[Roy Tucker]

There are no SEC teams playing, so I don't get the point.

They don’t like the Big 10.

[Roy Tucker]

Is it me or are there an awful lot of commercials? Game is just starting the 4th quarter and it’s at the 3 hour mark.

[Larkin Fan]

We need a TD on this drive.

[Larkin Fan]

There's that tempo from the first quarter.

[Boston Red]

They don’t like the Big 10.

They like the ACC better? Weird conspiracy.

[The Operator]

They get the lead back!!

Need some big play from the defense now

[North]

Total BS call

Refs are killing OSU

Drew Brees called and said it was a catch and a fumble.

[dubc47834]

WOW...that was ballsy!!!

[Larkin Fan]

They get the lead back!!

Need some big play from the defense now

And no more penalties.

[Boston Red]

Should have gone for 2.

[MWM]

Why didn’t they go for 2?

[North]

Is it me or are there an awful lot of commercials? Game is just starting the 4th quarter and it’s at the 3 hour mark.

All games are predicated on what the money algorithm says. :p

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Why didn’t they go for 2?

Agreed.

[adkindo]

Ryan Day deserves a ton of credit for having the guts to make that call...

[Boston Red]

Both teams getting beaten up. Advantage LSU.

[Boston Red]

That decision to not go for 2....

[The Operator]

Why on earth did they not go for 2.

Field goal wins it and probably no time to do anything in response.



Defense better be ready to play their best series of the season so far.

[Larkin Fan]

That decision to not go for 2....

Yeah...

[Hillsdale87]

I can't believe how bad the field is. Biggest game of the year and guys are slipping everywhere


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[MWM]

That roughing the kicker stupid penalty going to wind up being the bigger play in this game.

[Boston Red]

I can't believe how bad the field is. Biggest game of the year and guys are slipping everywhere


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Agree. They play NFL games here?!?

[adkindo]

Ohio State may regret not going for 2

[The Operator]

That was quick


I guess if nothing else they have time to work with?

[Larkin Fan]

No....

[kaldaniels]

Clemson scoring on that play may have been been a break...

[North]

How embarrasing...3 plays?

[adkindo]

Clemson leave too much time on the clock?

[MWM]

This is a game OSU should have won. Not could have, but should have. They couldn’t get out of their own way.

[Boston Red]

Clemson gave OSU a gift by not falling down at the 1.

[kaldaniels]

I guess the non 2 pt play is moot...so at least we got that going for us.

[Stray]

That was a great play call by Clemson on that last TD.

[dubc47834]

This is a game OSU should have won. Not could have, but should have. They couldn’t get out of their own way.

Those FG's in the 1st QTR could doom them.

[kaldaniels]

4 downs to work with.

No turnovers.

It can be done.

[North]

Clemson gave OSU a gift by not falling down at the 1.

Shhhh....

[dubc47834]

Hard fought game by both teams tonite!!!

[kaldaniels]

No turnovers.

[The Operator]

Ouch



That hurts

[Boston Red]

Who was that to?

[adkindo]

ballgame

[North]

:barf:

[dubc47834]

Who was that to?

WR came off the route...hate to see it end that way!