College Football 2020

[adkindo]

The new Power 5.....

https://i.imgur.com/sGdkT6k.png

[DocRed]

ND with 89 new positive tests on campus today with almost a 20% positivity rate! No way can the ACC or SEC stat play

https://www.southbendtribune.com/coronavirus/notre-dame-reports-89-new-covid-19-infections-in-one-day-monday/article_da52e7d4-e170-11ea-90a9-17e2f3aaecde.html

https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

And just like that ND just shut down classes....149 new Covid Cases and counting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-covid-cases-off-campus-party-classes-suspended/

[adkindo]

REPORT: SIX BIG TEN TEAMS WOULD PLAY A 10-GAME SEASON UNDER NEW PROPOSAL (https://www.outkick.com/rumor-six-big-ten-teams-would-play-a-10-game-season-under-new-proposal/)

[Boston Red]

And just like that ND just shut down classes....149 new Covid Cases and counting.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/notre-dame-covid-cases-off-campus-party-classes-suspended/

This whole ordeal will shine a light on the fact that there are really two college campuses: the one for ordinary students who are getting their degrees, and one for the athletes playing revenue-generating sports. I guarantee Notre Dame is taking much stronger precautions to keep Covid away from their football team than they are to keep it away from the average student.

[BuckeyeRed27]

REPORT: SIX BIG TEN TEAMS WOULD PLAY A 10-GAME SEASON UNDER NEW PROPOSAL (https://www.outkick.com/rumor-six-big-ten-teams-would-play-a-10-game-season-under-new-proposal/)

Maybe. Jeff Snook can’t be completely dismissed. It’s very weird to me with the amount of backlash that almost all of the Big Ten leadership has been completely silent, and this could be why.

There is more main stream reports that they are planning on releasing a schedule with a January start next week. So I guess we will know who is right soon.

[DocRed]

REPORT: SIX BIG TEN TEAMS WOULD PLAY A 10-GAME SEASON UNDER NEW PROPOSAL (https://www.outkick.com/rumor-six-big-ten-teams-would-play-a-10-game-season-under-new-proposal/)

Not a chance in hell I'm afraid

[DocRed]

Maybe. Jeff Snook can’t be completely dismissed. It’s very weird to me with the amount of backlash that almost all of the Big Ten leadership has been completely silent, and this could be why.

There is more main stream reports that they are planning on releasing a schedule with a January start next week. So I guess we will know who is right soon.

Link? Only thing I've heard is what Ryan Day proposed.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Link? Only thing I've heard is what Ryan Day proposed.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2020/08/18/revised-big-ten-football-season-could-begin-january/5602516002/

[BuckeyeRed27]

This whole ordeal will shine a light on the fact that there are really two college campuses: the one for ordinary students who are getting their degrees, and one for the athletes playing revenue-generating sports. I guarantee Notre Dame is taking much stronger precautions to keep Covid away from their football team than they are to keep it away from the average student.

Colleges had to know that they were going to see cases if kids came back to campus. There’s absolutely no way to avoid it. So if the plan was to bring everyone back, get a few hundred kids sick, and then send everyone home, why bother? To make sure everyone paid their tuition? Really hope that’s not the case, but I don’t see any other reasonable explanation beyond stupidity.

[DocRed]

A January to March BTN season "could" work so long as the NFL agrees to push back the combine and draft month or so. Even so a lot of draft eligible players will still surely opt out. Not sure why they don't just start in October or November. I get the semester and break thing but almost all football players stay on campus anyways to continue to train for bowl games.

[BuckeyeRed27]

A January to March BTN season "could" work so long as the NFL agrees to push back the combine and draft month or so. Even so a lot of draft eligible players will still surely opt out. Not sure why they don't just start in October or November. I get the semester and break thing but almost all football players stay on campus anyways to continue to train for bowl games.

The NFL sounded pretty open to moving back their schedule. If any of the other conferences move, they absolutely will. They want game tape on these guys and there isn’t much of a reason to have the draft in April vs early June.

[Rojo Rijo]

A January to March BTN season "could" work so long as the NFL agrees to push back the combine and draft month or so. Even so a lot of draft eligible players will still surely opt out. Not sure why they don't just start in October or November. I get the semester and break thing but almost all football players stay on campus anyways to continue to train for bowl games.

Every B10 stadium is outdoors. A Jan-Mar season for the B10 is a pipe dream unless they could use multiple indoor stadiums in the area (Detroit, Minnesota, Indianapolis) or you hold the games at the IPFs (not sure if every B10 team has one). No way you're playing kids outdoors that time of year.

[DocRed]

Every B10 stadium is outdoors. A Jan-Mar season for the B10 is a pipe dream unless they could use multiple indoor stadiums in the area (Detroit, Minnesota, Indianapolis) or you hold the games at the IPFs (not sure if every B10 team has one). No way you're playing kids outdoors that time of year.

They have already talked about using stadiums. They have also mentioned using St. Louis and Syracuse one's too. Although I'm not sure why its such a big deal as every year we play in the snow and cold well into November and NFL teams play in the cold and snow well into January.

[BuckeyeRed27]

They have already talked about using stadiums. They have also mentioned using St. Louis and Syracuse one's too. Although I'm not sure why its such a big deal as every year we play in the snow and cold well into November and NFL teams play in the cold and snow well into January.

It’s significantly colder in January/February than it is in November. In Columbus the average high in January is 16 degrees lower than November for example. But it’s only happening with the use of the dome stadiums.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/sec/2020/08/19/ex-washington-nfl-player-derrius-guice-accused-rape-while-lsu/3391053001/

Way to go LSU...

[DocRed]

It’s significantly colder in January/February than it is in November. In Columbus the average high in January is 16 degrees lower than November for example. But it’s only happening with the use of the dome stadiums.

So what? NFL teams play thru January every year. Are they not as affected by the cold?

[BuckeyeRed27]

So what? NFL teams play thru January every year. Are they not as affected by the cold?

Yes there are a few games played in extreme cold conditions in the NFL every winter, but not a ton, certainly not 8-10 per team. And also they get paid to do it.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yes there are a few games played in extreme cold conditions in the NFL every winter, but not a ton, certainly not 8-10 per team. And also they get paid to do it.

Exactly. They are paid to do it and at most even a team like Green Bay or Chicago might have 2-3 games in extreme cold. These teams would be playing all of their games in the same region which can experience absolutely brutal cold temperatures at that time of year.

[adkindo]

Winter Football in the Big10?

@ TCF Bank Stadium....average January daily high temperature 22 degrees!
https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/winonadailynews.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/f/ac/fac1d642-0994-11e0-b10d-001cc4c03286/4d0ae514087f6.image.jpg

@ the Horseshoe...average January daily high temperature 36 degrees!
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4NFUAFegkc0/maxresdefault.jpg

@ the Big House....average January daily high temperature 31 degrees!
https://bobcat.grahamdigital.com/03ad0b1794f9b0a79e67f2795a0f6464da785b22/center-1280x720-000.jpg

@ Beaver Stadium.....average January daily high temperature 33 degrees!
https://media.pennlive.com/patriot-news/photo/2011/10/10197893-large.jpg

@ Camp Randall....average January daily high temperature 27 degrees!
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/42/24/33/8996592/3/920x920.jpg

All this while there will not be a vaccine available for the players and at the height of flu season! I see some reporters that I know are intelligent, and know this will never happen....yet they continue to suggest it is an option! We can speculate on their motivation, but I am confident it is not based in reporting the truth.

[adkindo]

Exactly. They are paid to do it and at most even a team like Green Bay or Chicago might have 2-3 games in extreme cold. These teams would be playing all of their games in the same region which can experience absolutely brutal cold temperatures at that time of year.

imagine how great the weather would be for most of the SEC....and much of the ACC and Big12. January thru March is very nice in Florida and most southern states.

[bucksfan2]

During a pandemic, throw the normal out the window, and play if you can.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The winter plan, if it happens, will not be to play on campus, it will be in the Midwest domes.

[DocRed]

ND and UNC have now paused all athletic activities. ND continues to show increasing cases and an alarming 20% positivity rate

https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

[Boston Red]

ND cancelled football practice but immediately added a game to the schedule on September 19 (South Florida). So they're certainly not giving up on football at this point.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2020/8/20/21376849/notre-dame-football-irish-add-south-florida-to-the-2020-schedule-bulls-september-19-jack-swarbrick

By the way, the decisions at ND and UNC were announced as very temporary. The UNC suspension could end as early as 5pm today (giving the football team a window for evening practice tonight even).

[adkindo]

ND cancelled football practice but immediately added a game to the schedule on September 19 (South Florida). So they're certainly not giving up on football at this point.

https://www.onefootdown.com/2020/8/20/21376849/notre-dame-football-irish-add-south-florida-to-the-2020-schedule-bulls-september-19-jack-swarbrick

By the way, the decisions at ND and UNC were announced as very temporary. The UNC suspension could end as early as 5pm today (giving the football team a window for evening practice tonight even).

yeah, I am now becoming very confident that the conferences that are planning on playing will play.....sadly, I am not confident any of the conferences that cancelled will change their position. Just not logical to me that Pop Warner in Ohio, High Schools in Ohio, and the Bengals/Browns are all playing football.....but outside Cincinnati, all of the Ohio colleges claim it is not safe.

[BuckeyeRed27]

ND and UNC have now paused all athletic activities. ND continues to show increasing cases and an alarming 20% positivity rate

https://here.nd.edu/our-approach/dashboard/

This never happened before they joined a conference.

[Reds Freak]

. Just not logical to me that Pop Warner in Ohio, High Schools in Ohio, and the Bengals/Browns are all playing football.....but outside Cincinnati, all of the Ohio colleges claim it is not safe.

The obvious difference is that college kids are the only group that is practicing, playing, living, eating, traveling, going to class, and partying with each other and thousands of other students on campus. A lot more factors that cause quick spread.

[texasdave]

Gives new meaning to the football term - spread formation. :p

[Rojo Rijo]

The obvious difference is that college kids are the only group that is practicing, playing, living, eating, traveling, going to class, and partying with each other and thousands of other students on campus. A lot more factors that cause quick spread.

The real difference is amateurism. They could easily bubble/isolate the players but that would threaten to cripple the NCAAs stronghold on their golden goose. Every one of the P5 D1 schools has the money and resources to isolate and provide top of the line safety and care for their teams. Most premiere athletes like football and basketball teams do almost all of their school work online already.

[Reds Freak]

The real difference is amateurism. They could easily bubble/isolate the players but that would threaten to cripple the NCAAs stronghold on their golden goose. Every one of the P5 D1 schools has the money and resources to isolate and provide top of the line safety and care for their teams. Most premiere athletes like football and basketball teams do almost all of their school work online already.

I'm sure amateurism plays a role. You can't easily do a bubble when the players are required to attend class. If all colleges went online for the fall, that certainly makes it easier. I think you are underestimating the amount of in-person class the vast majority of football and basketball players attend. Basketball misses more class than football certainly but I don't think it's fair to say that almost all of their school work is online.

[adkindo]

The obvious difference is that college kids are the only group that is practicing, playing, living, eating, traveling, going to class, and partying with each other and thousands of other students on campus. A lot more factors that cause quick spread.

eh, I would think the 1,000's of high school kids that are not doing those things together, but going into the community of millions and doing those things would be a far greater risk. My guess is the Big10 schools will not be releasing their numbers of positive COVID cases for their athletes, but my guess is it would be larger than the schools that actually play.

[WVRed]

WVU playing with no fans for its opener against EKU

[adkindo]

The real difference is amateurism. They could easily bubble/isolate the players but that would threaten to cripple the NCAAs stronghold on their golden goose. Every one of the P5 D1 schools has the money and resources to isolate and provide top of the line safety and care for their teams. Most premiere athletes like football and basketball teams do almost all of their school work online already.

honestly do not get the "golden goose" claims. Yes, football players make money that funds their fellow students teams and the coaching staffs at the University, but the money is not going to the schools for the general student body. For example, if University of Florida just said we are not participating in college athletics any longer.....it would have no direct impact on the university from the academic perspective. The school and academics are not funded by athletics.

I hear this discussion on the radio and other places, and they always make it sound like the "school" is making money directly off the student athletes.....but all of the revenue is used on athletic expenses....not university expenses.

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WVU playing with no fans for its opener against EKU

yeah, I saw that today.

[BuckeyeRed27]

honestly do not get the "golden goose" claims. Yes, football players make money that funds their fellow students teams and the coaching staffs at the University, but the money is not going to the schools for the general student body. For example, if University of Florida just said we are not participating in college athletics any longer.....it would have no direct impact on the university from the academic perspective. The school and academics are not funded by athletics.

I hear this discussion on the radio and other places, and they always make it sound like the "school" is making money directly off the student athletes.....but all of the revenue is used on athletic expenses....not university expenses.

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yeah, I saw that today.

The school does fundraise heavily off of football though and that does go to all sorts of things on campuses.

[Rojo Rijo]

honestly do not get the "golden goose" claims. Yes, football players make money that funds their fellow students teams and the coaching staffs at the University, but the money is not going to the schools for the general student body. For example, if University of Florida just said we are not participating in college athletics any longer.....it would have no direct impact on the university from the academic perspective. The school and academics are not funded by athletics.

I hear this discussion on the radio and other places, and they always make it sound like the "school" is making money directly off the student athletes.....but all of the revenue is used on athletic expenses....not university expenses.

I think you misunderstood what I am saying. I am not discussing the revenue in regards to where it goes, certainly not implying that these schools wouldn't be able to function as academic institutions without the revenue from the big sports programs (football and basketball). What I am saying is that the NCAA and these schools are extremely hesitant to bubble/isolate these players because it would make them appear way more like marketable professionals being used to make profit than student athletes. It would give the athletes some serious ammunition in any future litigation involving their pro/amateur status. These athletic programs and the NCAA make money hand over fist off these kids and that is the golden goose situation they aren't willing to risk losing. Even if 100% of the revenue money is used on athletic expenses it is still an absurd amount. TV money alone paid SEC schools each $45 million and B10 schools each $54 million last year.

Again, the point I am trying to make is these schools/athletic programs, mainly the P5 have enough resources to make it work for the athletes, to keep them isolated and cared for but separating them from the general student population is a risky move in the ongoing amateurism battle.

[Rojo Rijo]

I'm sure amateurism plays a role. You can't easily do a bubble when the players are required to attend class. If all colleges went online for the fall, that certainly makes it easier. I think you are underestimating the amount of in-person class the vast majority of football and basketball players attend. Basketball misses more class than football certainly but I don't think it's fair to say that almost all of their school work is online.

I have zero doubt that with the current technology that these schools could very easily adjust to where the athletes are only in online classes. For basic studies they could even have in person classes that are only the athletes who are around each other already due to their sport. At these P5 schools this could easily be done in film/study rooms that most of these Universities have at their athletic facilities. Again these schools have enough resources to make it work.

[Boston Red]

I'm beginning to think this weird college football season might actually happen. At least it might actually start. Not sure if it will finish.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'm beginning to think this weird college football season might actually happen. At least it might actually start. Not sure if it will finish.

My money is on the ACC bailing in the next 2 weeks and basically causing the other 2 to drop also. Although the SEC will probably play in the fall and the winter.

[adkindo]

The school does fundraise heavily off of football though and that does go to all sorts of things on campuses.

you are correct....which is why I always say "direct". Winning athletic programs definitely benefit the school financially indirectly. I have seen numbers that show a good season/championship will often be followed by an influx of applications....while bad seasons will result in a lower number of applications. That said, I do get the feeling that the marginal fan....or even unintelligent fan sometimes believes that the 10's of Millions coming in via media contracts and tickets is going into some general fund that the school is using top pay professors and buy private planes for the school president.

[adkindo]

I'm beginning to think this weird college football season might actually happen. At least it might actually start. Not sure if it will finish.

It is happening.....really wish the Big10 would reconsider. I could careless about the PAC12.

[adkindo]

I am sorry but these are too funny...for my B10 friends ;)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr76t3iwx0Y

[adkindo]

I get that Kevin Warren is just the person basically fulfilling the Presidents wishes.....but I have to think Jim Delany would have had more influence with the Presidents, or atleast would not have allowed them to hide behind him on this decision. The optics are terrible that Warren is having to support that position that it is too dangerous to play college football this fall while his son is playing football this fall @ Mississippi State.

[adkindo]

sadly, this is probably just the beginning.....

Iowa to cut four sports following 2020 academic year (https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/Big-Ten-Football-Canceled-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Swimming-Tennis-Gymnastics-Cut-Gary-Barta-150542022/)


The effects of no Big Ten football has started to take its toll on the University of Iowa. On Friday morning, the University announced that it will be cutting men's and women's swimming and diving, men's gymnastics and men's tennis.

[Reds Freak]

sadly, this is probably just the beginning.....

Iowa to cut four sports following 2020 academic year (https://247sports.com/college/west-virginia/Article/Big-Ten-Football-Canceled-Iowa-Hawkeyes-Swimming-Tennis-Gymnastics-Cut-Gary-Barta-150542022/)

Now schools have a different excuse other than Title IX to cut the sports that are sucking away money from the football program, the only really thing they care about.

[adkindo]

Now schools have a different excuse other than Title IX to cut the sports that are sucking away money from the football program, the only really thing they care about.

and just like the arts, sciences, fraternities/sororities, etc.....all of these programs bring value to a full and diverse campus in my opinion....sadly if is often not recognized until they are gone. I know a lot of people that had zero interest in Swimming or some similar sport/activity....then ended up at a meet with a friend or whatever, and they developed a lifelong interest in the sport/activity. My daughter is a week into her Freshman year, and I keep telling her to never ever be bored on campus....something is always going on in athletics, cultural events, etc. and just go check it all out even if you think you may not have an interest. It is the one time in her life that she will have so much freedom to develop interests outside of her normal interests.

[Assembly Hall]

SIAP......

https://thespun.com/big-ten/michigan-wolverines/report-1-governor-is-major-roadblock-to-big-ten-playing-football

[Reds Freak]

SIAP......

https://thespun.com/big-ten/michigan-wolverines/report-1-governor-is-major-roadblock-to-big-ten-playing-football

An Ohio State insider blaming Michigan's governor for the postponement from a web site called The Spun? Feel like we're going to need a better source.

[Chip R]

The NCAA has given an extra year of eligibility to all Division I fall athletes.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29712267/ncaa-votes-give-extra-year-eligibility-division-fall-athletes

[Assembly Hall]

An Ohio State insider blaming Michigan's governor for the postponement from a web site called The Spun? Feel like we're going to need a better source.

I report, you decide.....

[Boston Red]

I find it disturbing that Louisville couldn't crack the preseason top 25 in a year where half the teams aren't playing.

[WVRed]

I find it disturbing that Louisville couldn't crack the preseason top 25 in a year where half the teams aren't playing.

Neither could Kentucky.

[Boston Red]

Neither could Kentucky.

Actually, adjusted for the teams not playing, both snuck in. Didn't realize the Big 10 and Pac 12 teams were included in the poll.

https://thespun.com/college-football/what-the-ap-poll-would-look-like-without-big-ten-pac-12-teams

[texasdave]

Actually, adjusted for the teams not playing, both snuck in. Didn't realize the Big 10 and Pac 12 teams were included in the poll.

https://thespun.com/college-football/what-the-ap-poll-would-look-like-without-big-ten-pac-12-teams

Bearcats at 13.

[adkindo]

An Ohio State insider blaming Michigan's governor for the postponement from a web site called The Spun? Feel like we're going to need a better source.

The Spun is not the Wall Street Journal, but I do not think it is some weird conspiracy site. I recall reading articles on the site in the past. I am not suggesting the story is accurate or false....but it kind of fits the Governor.

[adkindo]

Neither could Kentucky.

it is timing....there are about 10ish teams in the country that are near locks in the Top 25 every year and the rest move in and out from year to year. Some teams move in more often, but they still move out in off years.

[adkindo]

The NCAA has given an extra year of eligibility to all Division I fall athletes.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/29712267/ncaa-votes-give-extra-year-eligibility-division-fall-athletes

resolving one problem by creating many others.....basically this years Junior class in high school will take the brunt since they are only allowing teams to exceed the 85 limit for one single year.

[WVRed]

it is timing....there are about 10ish teams in the country that are near locks in the Top 25 every year and the rest move in and out from year to year. Some teams move in more often, but they still move out in off years.

It’s because the poll is including two conferences that are not playing.

[adkindo]

It’s because the poll is including two conferences that are not playing.

I am just saying teams like WVU, UK, and Louisville are not Top 25 rosters every single year....only about 10 teams really fit that bill. WVU who more often than not is a Top 25 team did not even get a vote this year (and I would not expect this years team to get any preseason votes)....which is why I used the word timing. Some years U of L will be a Top 15 team even with all of the conferences included.....and some years they will not even be in the Top half of their conference. Life of the non blue blood but competitive program.

[Boston Red]

College football kicks off tomorrow at 8pm. Austin Peay vs. Central Arkansas. It may be the only college football game of the season. It will CERTAINLY be the most watched game in the history of both programs!

[RedTeamGo!]

College football kicks off tomorrow at 8pm. Austin Peay vs. Central Arkansas. It may be the only college football game of the season. It will CERTAINLY be the most watched game in the history of both programs!

People are really going to watch it? I’d rather watch paint dry than that matchup.

[Boston Red]

People are really going to watch it? I’d rather watch paint dry than that matchup.

Hell yes. I'll probably watch that stupid St. X football game, too.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Some rumblings that the Big Ten is trying to do an 8 game schedule that starts Thanksgiving weekend.

[Boston Red]

Some rumblings that the Big Ten is trying to do an 8 game schedule that starts Thanksgiving weekend.

Well that could get weird. Are they going to figure a way to get it done in time to potentially participate in the playoffs?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Well that could get weird. Are they going to figure a way to get it done in time to potentially participate in the playoffs?

Well assuming the playoff goes off in time, which is a big if, than no they'd only be 4 or 5 games into the season.

Better question is if you have a 5-0 Ohio State team that is mowing through people do you figure out a way to throw them in there instead of a 8-2 Notre Dame for example?

[Boston Red]

I would have said no, you can't do that, but 2020 has taught me that everything sports schedule related is negotiable.

[BuckeyeRed27]

And as more evidence that the Big Ten is a total clown show without any leadership right now, there is apparently a meeting going on, where every possible scenario under the sun including completely reversing course and starting now to not playing until March is being discussed. Pat Forde and others are reporting that the coaches, ADs and Presidents from the same schools aren't even on the same page or pushing for the same thing.

[adkindo]

And as more evidence that the Big Ten is a total clown show without any leadership right now, there is apparently a meeting going on, where every possible scenario under the sun including completely reversing course and starting now to not playing until March is being discussed. Pat Forde and others are reporting that the coaches, ADs and Presidents from the same schools aren't even on the same page or pushing for the same thing.

I read they are exploring starting the season before Thanksgiving!?!? Just admit you made a mistake as the Big10, and start your season October 1sh so your teams can be included in the playoff discussion!

[adkindo]

College football kicks off tomorrow at 8pm. Austin Peay vs. Central Arkansas. It may be the only college football game of the season. It will CERTAINLY be the most watched game in the history of both programs!

It is happening!!!!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/f7XpaOPagln3uTLrIt/giphy.gif

[Boston Red]

I’d rather watch paint dry than that matchup.

By the way, the simpler way to say this would have been: "I don't gamble" :)

[Todd Gack]

Some rumblings that the Big Ten is trying to do an 8 game schedule that starts Thanksgiving weekend.

What a mess.

[Stray]

I don't think it matters where you stand on whether they should play or not, how the Big 10 has handled this has been a dumpster fire. ACC, Big 12 and SEC stated their goal and are doing everything they can to meet it. Big 10 has conflicting messages and conflicts firing off all over the place. Hate it for the players really. They deserve better than this.

[Todd Gack]

I read they are exploring starting the season before Thanksgiving!?!? Just admit you made a mistake as the Big10, and start your season October 1sh so your teams can be included in the playoff discussion!

Starting the season in November makes even less sense (unless you think about the politics of it) than playing in the Spring. And they're both terrible options.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Starting the season in November makes even less sense (unless you think about the politics of it) than playing in the Spring. And they're both terrible options.

I'm not going to engage on the political comment because this isn't the place, but mostly because that's the dumbest crap I've ever heard.

But to the November start I tend to agree. The reasoning for it, is because it makes it more likely that draft eligible players will still play and they could possibly get a 10 game season in. From various things I've read/heard they are trying to figure out the testing protocols and if they can they will start sometime this year. I'm not sure why they can't get that all figured out by say October 15th instead of November 25th and then everyone (except maybe the Pac12) is in the CFP conversation. Also everyone keeps saying "Spring" and it won't be spring. If they don't do some fall start it'll be January, which is very much winter. They'll be done by spring. I've always liked that version the best, but only if everyone does it.

It's just overall disappointing to see the lack of leadership in general from college football. Everyone should want the same thing and this has just been a mess.

[Todd Gack]

I'm not going to engage on the political comment because this isn't the place, but mostly because that's the dumbest crap I've ever heard.

But to the November start I tend to agree. The reasoning for it, is because it makes it more likely that draft eligible players will still play and they could possibly get a 10 game season in. From various things I've read/heard they are trying to figure out the testing protocols and if they can they will start sometime this year. I'm not sure why they can't get that all figured out by say October 15th instead of November 25th and then everyone (except maybe the Pac12) is in the CFP conversation. Also everyone keeps saying "Spring" and it won't be spring. If they don't do some fall start it'll be January, which is very much winter. They'll be done by spring. I've always liked that version the best, but only if everyone does it.

It's just overall disappointing to see the lack of leadership in general from college football. Everyone should want the same thing and this has just been a mess.

Even aside from politics, isn't it WORSE to start in November when everyone says this virus is supposed to be worse then? Just makes absolutely no sense. None whatsoever for people who supposedly are trying to make things 'safer' for these athletes who aren't even going to be affected by this.

[adkindo]

I'm not going to engage on the political comment because this isn't the place, but mostly because that's the dumbest crap I've ever heard

I wish I agreed with you on that not being possible....and while I still think it is unlikely or hope it not to be true, I would not rule it out. Over the last 20 years, partisan politics has invaded every facet of our lives and even our seemingly unrelated decision making like a cancer....and I have even realized I have been infected on different decisions/thoughts in my own life. We can deny it and hold on to the belief that some things are simply above partisan politics....but my honest assessment of our current culture (including me) is that today things rarely are beyond the cancer of partisan politics....it is even causing issues in families. I truly hope for all of us we can find a way to put that genie back in the bottle.

There is real speculation out there that related statements could be in the meeting minutes which is why the Big10 will go to the end of the earth to avoid turning those over in the Nebraska players lawsuit....others speculate that there are statements in there about the Big10's effort to undermine efforts for other conference to play this season. The conferences response to why they could not turn over the minutes does not really meet the smell test, and may truly force their hand in having a season sooner rather than later to avoid turning over those minutes.

(note, I know I mention "politics", but I am not pushing a partisan viewpoint)

[adkindo]

If you are Ohio State, and not competing for the college playoffs, then what is the point? Even the Michigans and Penn States likely feel the same to a less degree. Ohio State really dying to get another Big 10 trophy or go to a version of the Rose Bowl that is actually not the Rose Bowl? It just feels like a early spring season would be something that some Big10 teams could desire, but I just do not see all of those 5 Stars at Ohio State super excited to show out each weekend in a strange dome with no chance at playing an Alabama, Clemson, LSU, Oklahoma, etc. at the end of the season for true glory. I think it would feel like exhibition football.

[adkindo]

High School football is on ESPN....TX Trinity Christian HS against TN Knoxville Catholic....Deion Sanders son against Tee Martin's son, the QBs for the 2 teams.

[Boston Red]

High School football is on ESPN....TX Trinity Christian HS against TN Knoxville Catholic....Deion Sanders son against Tee Martin's son, the QBs for the 2 teams.

Weird watching sports with actual fans in the stands again.

[Todd Gack]

Weird watching sports with actual fans in the stands again.

Indiana has been practicing since first Monday in August and just completed their 2nd week of football + a scrimmage. While some games are not being played out of caution week to week, I'd say about 90% of games hav been played.

[Boston Red]

Is Indiana allowing fans? Our daughter's school is planning to play starting next week, but parents only in attendance. This is Wichita, KS.

[adkindo]

Weird watching sports with actual fans in the stands again.

Trinity Christian was just a better team across the board....ESPN missed on that matchup. Tomorrow ESPN2 has two Ohio teams, PICKERINGTON NORTH (OHIO) VS. PICKERINGTON CENTRAL (OHIO) which has like 5 of the top recruits in Ohio between the teams. Then tonight ST. XAVIER (OHIO) VS. BROWNSBURG (INDIANA) on ESPN2 @ 6PM.

[adkindo]

Is Indiana allowing fans? Our daughter's school is planning to play starting next week, but parents only in attendance. This is Wichita, KS.

turn on ESPN2 @ 6PM and we should know the answer in regards to Indiana :)

[kaldaniels]

Just observationally it boggles my mind people get upset about MLB high fives yet football (think the line trenches) is being played.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I wish I agreed with you on that not being possible....and while I still think it is unlikely or hope it not to be true, I would not rule it out. Over the last 20 years, partisan politics has invaded every facet of our lives and even our seemingly unrelated decision making like a cancer....and I have even realized I have been infected on different decisions/thoughts in my own life. We can deny it and hold on to the belief that some things are simply above partisan politics....but my honest assessment of our current culture (including me) is that today things rarely are beyond the cancer of partisan politics....it is even causing issues in families. I truly hope for all of us we can find a way to put that genie back in the bottle.

There is real speculation out there that related statements could be in the meeting minutes which is why the Big10 will go to the end of the earth to avoid turning those over in the Nebraska players lawsuit....others speculate that there are statements in there about the Big10's effort to undermine efforts for other conference to play this season. The conferences response to why they could not turn over the minutes does not really meet the smell test, and may truly force their hand in having a season sooner rather than later to avoid turning over those minutes.

(note, I know I mention "politics", but I am not pushing a partisan viewpoint)

Yeah like I said that is all nonsense. If you want that to be the answer, than you can make anything be evidence. The whole theory is so stupid it’s hard to believe it’s even out there, but I guess that’s just par for the course these days.

As to actual football stuff, I think the coaches and ADs are doing their best to give their players as much of a chance to play football ASAP. Obviously it would be great to get everyone on the same page, but if that doesn’t happen so be it. Also if you don’t think that if Ohio State goes undefeated, wins the Rose Bowl and doesn’t claim a National Championship like it’s 1941, you’re kidding yourself. It’ll be funny to do it just to piss off SEC fans and talk about it until the end of time.

[Todd Gack]

Is Indiana allowing fans? Our daughter's school is planning to play starting next week, but parents only in attendance. This is Wichita, KS.

Yes. It depends on what county you play in, but they are. Some places allow only 250. Some will allow 1,000 or more. Just depends on how big the place is, etc.

[adkindo]

Also if you don’t think that if Ohio State goes undefeated, wins the Rose Bowl and doesn’t claim a National Championship like it’s 1941, you’re kidding yourself. It’ll be funny to do it just to piss off SEC fans and talk about it until the end of time.

Sure they can claim it as long as someone ranks them #1 at the end of the season similar to UCF in 2017....but it will not be the AP or the College Football Playoff. I honestly am not sure Ohio State would claim it....seems a little beneath a program of their stature. I could see Minnesota doing it if they went undefeated....and Harbaugh definitely would :D

[Boston Red]

Now that the great Central Arkansas/APSU battle is behind us (and it turned out to be exciting at the end at least), we can look forward to Thursday night when the first two FBS teams play each other (Southern Miss and South Alabama). Or if you can't get enough Central Arkansas now, they play UAB half an hour earlier, making UAB the first FBS team to kick of the season.

Looking at the slate of games for week 1, it's a bit lacking (understatement). I would say the top game this weekend will be BYU/Navy on Labor Day.

[Boston Red]

Best Donald Trump tweet ever (note low bar).

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1300815396950478849?s=20

[Boston Red]

9,000 fans for South Alabama/Southern Miss yesterday in Hattiesburg. Baby steps!

[adkindo]

9,000 fans for South Alabama/Southern Miss yesterday in Hattiesburg. Baby steps!

I watched that game, and started thinking about something in regards to Southern Mississippi. If you were a college football fan in the late 90's, you probably recall they were at one time one of the premier "giant killers" in college football...as in a team outside the BCS (now P5) that BCS teams did not really want to schedule. During the Jeff Bower era, they kind of ran CUSA and were viewed as a team that may be worthy of a BCS conference. Obviously, it did not last as they have only won CUSA one time (2011) since Bower left in 2007. I can name a handful of other teams that fit this description and also have disappeared from national relevance such as Marshall. Others that fit this description include TCU, Louisville and Utah, but they were fortunate enough to gain access into a Power Conference. The only team that I can recall that has seemed to remain nationally relevant for a long period without gaining access to a Power Conference is Boise State, but even they have slipped over the last 10 years. The point of this ramble is it would seem like a team outside the P5 structure can rise to be relevant, but are on a fairly short clock to get access to a P5 conference or they are likely destined to recede to irrelevance.

The conclusion is teams like UCF, Cincinnati, Houston and Memphis are likely on the clock.

[Boston Red]

Southern Miss was good for a long time. They used to absolutely torment my Louisville Cardinals. Firing Jeff Bower is among the dumbest things a college program has ever done.

[adkindo]

EKU @ Marshall gets the ESPN 1PM slot. I will be interested in watching EKU since they visit Morgantown next weekend. The Middle Tennessee @ Army game at 1:30 on CBSSN could be interesting.

[adkindo]

Southern Miss HC resigns after getting upset in Week 1. A lot of speculation about Hugh Freeze who is an alumni. Probably not the worst hire if he would leave Liberty, but personally I would sign RichRod tomorrow. I think he would be perfect for where that progam is right now, and could get them back to the top of CUSA with his spread option offense.

[Boston Red]

Based solely on week 1, I'm voting BYU #1 right now. I reserve the right to change my mind in the second half.

[adkindo]

Based solely on week 1, I'm voting BYU #1 right now. I reserve the right to change my mind in the second half.

ha, ha....I was thinking the same thing. They are the best team I have seen this year.....Marshall probably #2.

[adkindo]

I was surprised by Harbaugh today claiming Michigan has continued full season workouts, and would be ready to play a game in 2 weeks.

[Boston Red]

I was surprised by Harbaugh today claiming Michigan has continued full season workouts, and would be ready to play a game in 2 weeks.

Based on the looks of this game, and based on the schedule BYU has currently cobbled together, BYU should be giving Harbaugh a call to see if his Wolverines might like a trip to Provo.

[adkindo]

Politicians from six states ask Big Ten officials to reconsider postponed football season (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29837647/politicians-six-states-ask-big-ten-officials-reconsider-postponed-football-season)


Political leaders from six states sent a letter Tuesday to Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren and the league's presidents and chancellors, urging the conference to reconsider its postponement of the 2020 football season.

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Ohio State Buckeyes football coach Ryan Day questions Big Ten, hints at mid-October return (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29854652/ohio-state-buckeyes-football-coach-ryan-day-questions-big-ten-hints-mid-october-return)


Ohio State coach Ryan Day on Thursday issued a statement through the school that hinted at a possible return in mid-October, but also continued to question the communication from the Big Ten since its decision last month to postpone the season.

Pressure is getting heavy....several states including Ohio are exploring legal action against the Big10. I expect a revote next week, and Big10 football to kickoff before Halloween.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think it might be on Halloween. I’m not sure everyone in the conference will play either. The lawsuits, or threat of lawsuits, I think will ultimately be the difference maker in getting enough of them to play a fall season.

Wisconsin just paused all classes and practices for 2 weeks. Assuming they want to play getting them ready by mid October seems unlikely.

[adkindo]

I think it might be on Halloween. I’m not sure everyone in the conference will play either. The lawsuits, or threat of lawsuits, I think will ultimately be the difference maker in getting enough of them to play a fall season.

Wisconsin just paused all classes and practices for 2 weeks. Assuming they want to play getting them ready by mid October seems unlikely.

I did not realize Halloween was on a Saturday...so yeah, that would make sense. I was listening to the Ohio State AG today talking about the "legal option exploration" and I clearly got the sense the threat is only to serve as a vehicle to get the conference to act.....no school wants to sue their own conference. Also, he said there could be legal action against other individuals schools in the Big10, and it occurred to me that the one way a school could avoid being named in a lawsuit would be on the record as a "yes" to playing. I think mostly everyone is hoping the B10 takes the field this fall....at least the most nationally relevant teams.

[adkindo]

Ohio State guard Wyatt Davis, projected 1st-rounder in NFL draft, opts out (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29861558/ohio-state-guard-wyatt-davis-projected-1st-rounder-nfl-draft-opts-out)

I get this case is different, because Davis has kind of been let down by the decision makers in the sense he has no idea when his team may take the field. In other cases....players in the SEC, B12 and ACC that opted out this fall without any heightened health risk would cause me to pause on drafting them as a NFL GM. I would need to investigate and really do my homework because I would fear the player does not truly love football. There are guys in the NFL HOF that did not love to play the game, but it clearly is an indicator of being a tougher path to success. I have gotten the feeling that at least a handful of players have opted out because they know they will get drafted and are using COVID as an excuse to not play this season in college. I get some parts of playing college football are not fun, but guys that love the game are not going to pass up the chance to take the field with their teammates on a fall Saturday. Elite competitors that may be expected to be drafted on Day 2 will jump at the chance to lay down film and prove themselves worthy of a Day 1 selection.

[RedTeamGo!]

How is there not one good game on today?

[RedTeamGo!]

Ohio State guard Wyatt Davis, projected 1st-rounder in NFL draft, opts out (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29861558/ohio-state-guard-wyatt-davis-projected-1st-rounder-nfl-draft-opts-out)

I get this case is different, because Davis has kind of been let down by the decision makers in the sense he has no idea when his team may take the field. In other cases....players in the SEC, B12 and ACC that opted out this fall without any heightened health risk would cause me to pause on drafting them as a NFL GM. I would need to investigate and really do my homework because I would fear the player does not truly love football. There are guys in the NFL HOF that did not love to play the game, but it clearly is an indicator of being a tougher path to success. I have gotten the feeling that at least a handful of players have opted out because they know they will get drafted and are using COVID as an excuse to not play this season in college. I get some parts of playing college football are not fun, but guys that love the game are not going to pass up the chance to take the field with their teammates on a fall Saturday. Elite competitors that may be expected to be drafted on Day 2 will jump at the chance to lay down film and prove themselves worthy of a Day 1 selection.

Or, ya know, they are simply concerned about getting it while playing amateur athletics for free and infecting family members at risk.

[15fan]

2 SunBelt teams currently tied for first in the Big XII. Coastal Carolina with a chance to make it a 3 way tie later tonight at Kansas.

[Boston Red]

2 SunBelt teams currently tied for first in the Big XII. Coastal Carolina with a chance to make it a 3 way tie later tonight at Kansas.

Missouri State's fighting Bobby Petrinos can make it a 4 way tie with a win at Oklahoma! Probably not.

[KronoRed]

How is there not one good game on today?

UTSA and Texas State ended up being a good one.

[adkindo]

--I watched the first part of the FSU / Georgia Tech game and FSU was dominant on their initial TD drive....then it went to weather delay and I quit watching. Looking at the boxscore.....FSU must have fell apart after the delay or Tech made some crazy effective adjustments because it looks like FSU barely had any offense the rest of the day. I have said it before, but Norvell just needs time to get the last Fisher class and Taggart's guys out of the locker room and replaced with his guys. I am not calling the kids bad, but there has been a cloud over that program since this Senior class was Freshmen.

--Some people picked Iowa State as a dark horse in the Big12?!?! Matt Campbell may have waited too long to exit Ames...

--Notre Dame is not close to being on Clemson's level...

--Oklahoma is better than they were last season....not sure what that means yet...

--WVU played a weak opponent, but clearly are improved and should be back in the top half of the B12

--UNC is a pretender, I think...maybe

--In 2 weeks, it will feel like a more normal college football weekend with the 3 P5 conferences playing conference games. I hate the Big10, and always will.....but we need them back on the field ASAP.

[WVRed]

You got that from a team that got blasted 59-0 by Marshall last week?

Okie Junior is the true test for WVU in two weeks.

[adkindo]

You got that from a team that got blasted 59-0 by Marshall last week?

Okie Junior is the true test for WVU in two weeks.

Dd you watch WVU last year? We could not run the ball against James Madison....there were only two teams in the country that were worse than us in running the ball. I got that from watching WVU and identifying much more talent on the field AND watching Iowa State, Kansas State, and Texas Tech today....none of them appeared improved. Also, I will assume Kansas is not ready to compete this year. Finally, we played without 11 players today, and most of them were on the 2 deep including multiple starters. I took all that information and concluded WVU should be in the Top half of the Big 12. Do you disagree?

I am not sure I would call OK State the true test.....they should simply be better than WVU. They will roll out two legit Heisman candidates and an experienced group that should be in the Big12 race this season. I definitely will hope we can pull off the upset, but a negative outcome in that game will have no impact on my statement.

[Boston Red]

2 SunBelt teams currently tied for first in the Big XII. Coastal Carolina with a chance to make it a 3 way tie later tonight at Kansas.

Coastal is currently murdering Kansas.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://sports.yahoo.com/after-weeks-of-tumult-big-ten-might-be-considering-aboutface-on-playing-football-032156936.html

Big Ten Presidents meeting this afternoon. After the medical meeting yesterday it sounds like there is a good chance for a return on either 10/17 or 10/24.

[RedTeamGo!]

Shaun Wade opted out. OSU already down 2 elite players. Probably more to come. I’m sure Fields is coming soon. Kinda hope they just cancel at this point.

[WVRed]

Shaun Wade opted out. OSU already down 2 elite players. Probably more to come. I’m sure Fields is coming soon. Kinda hope they just cancel at this point.

Wasn’t Fields one of the players adamant about playing?

Then again I’m sure that’s before the B1G decided to become the laughingstock of college sports.

[RedTeamGo!]

Wasn’t Fields one of the players adamant about playing?

Then again I’m sure that’s before the B1G decided to become the laughingstock of college sports.

Wade’s father started the protests at the big ten HQ.

Of course Fields was adamant about playing, unfortunately it’s not his decision and you can’t blame these guys for not sticking around to see it maybe there might be a season starting late October.

I want to be clear I don’t blame the players for opting out at this point, I know I would. Davis, Wade, and Fields are all 1st or 2nd round picks.

[WVRed]

Wade’s father started the protests at the big ten HQ.

Of course Fields was adamant about playing, unfortunately it’s not his decision and you can’t blame these guys for not sticking around to see it maybe there might be a season starting late October.

I want to be clear I don’t blame the players for opting out at this point, I know I would. Davis, Wade, and Fields are all 1st or 2nd round picks.

At this point how would you expect the other schools to possibly vote? My take is that Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, and Iowa are in the vocal minority.

From the outside looking in, it just seems like the rest of the conference would seem happy shutting down the season or trying in the spring.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I think it depends on the start date, which we should hopefully know by today or tomorrow. If it’s mid October I think Fields plays and Davis might change his mind. I don’t think Wade was going to play anyway. There aren’t any other super obvious first or second round picks that wouldn’t be helped by having game tape.

[Boston Red]

So is the idea that everyone else's season would end around December 1 but that the Big Ten would play through December to "catch up" so that their champ could potentially be included in the playoffs?

[RedTeamGo!]

At this point how would you expect the other schools to possibly vote? My take is that Ohio State, Nebraska, Michigan, and Iowa are in the vocal minority.

From the outside looking in, it just seems like the rest of the conference would seem happy shutting down the season or trying in the spring.

Elevenwarriors makes it sound like most of the conference wants to play, 1 or 2 are waivering and 2-3 absolutely do not want to.

I wonder who doesn’t.

[BuckeyeRed27]

8 or 9 game season with Championship Game on 12/19 like everyone else is the plan that has been most discussed.

But they haven’t voted yet so....

[BuckeyeRed27]

Elevenwarriors makes it sound like most of the conference wants to play, 1 or 2 are waivering and 2-3 absolutely do not want to.

I wonder who doesn’t.

Rutgers absolutely doesn’t. It sounds like Maryland doesn’t either, but doesn’t plan on voting No. I think they’ve had a big outbreak on campus.

[RedTeamGo!]

This should be the B1G’s response to Rutgers and Maryland:

“Oh, ok. We completely understand! You don’t have to play this year. And you know what? You never have to play again because you’re out of the conference. Good luck!!”

::the rest of the big ten celebrates::

[BuckeyeRed27]

This should be the B1G’s response to Rutgers and Maryland:

“Oh, ok. We completely understand! You don’t have to play this year. And you know what? You never have to play again because you’re out of the conference. Good luck!!”

::the rest of the big ten celebrates::

Dare to dream.

Dan Patrick said he doesn’t think Michigan is going to play...which would be interesting. I don’t totally buy that.

[kaldaniels]

Having a shoehorned season just seems silly to me at this point.

I may be in the minority and I may change my mind.

[adkindo]

If Ohio State has played 7ish games by the time the committee selects, and they are as good as expected, I do not think the committee would have any issue picking them over a team that has completed 9 or 10 games but the committee believes is a lessor team. Sure, some fans will go crazy, but the committee knows they have to have some flexibility this season, and their primary goal should not change in ensuring the 4 best teams are selected.

Just my opinion, which is why I do not think it will be a major issue if the Big10 cannot fully complete their season by the selection date. Now a 1 loss Ohio State team that has only completed 7ish games probably will not get the nod over a 1 loss team that has completed a 10 game schedule.

[WVRed]

Dare to dream.

Dan Patrick said he doesn’t think Michigan is going to play...which would be interesting. I don’t totally buy that.

Michigan (and Michigan State) may not have a say in it as long as the governor there keeps the entire state on lockdown.

They should have disbanded for one season and let any school willing to play join a conference for that season only. This all would have had to have been done by the time they decided to move to spring but at least they would have gotten to play. I’m sure the schematics could have been worked out.

[MWM]

Michigan (and Michigan State) may not have a say in it as long as the governor there keeps the entire state on lockdown.


They played football in Michigan yesterday.

[bucksfan2]

Michigan (and Michigan State) may not have a say in it as long as the governor there keeps the entire state on lockdown.

They should have disbanded for one season and let any school willing to play join a conference for that season only. This all would have had to have been done by the time they decided to move to spring but at least they would have gotten to play. I’m sure the schematics could have been worked out.

They have been playing baseball up in Michigan for a while now. The NFL also playing and I assume the Lions have been practicing in Detroit.

I believe the B1G made the right decision at the time (albeit a pretty arrogant decision thinking everyone would capitulate) but with other schools playing, and continue to play through any hiccups, their hand was forced.

I don't believe any school doesn't want to play, I do think there are some presidents who think the risk is too high right now.

Put it this way, any president of a B1G school who votes to cancel football pretty much seals their fate. Rutgers and Maryland may be outsiders, but if Michigan's president is a deciding vote not to play, his tenure at Michigan is done.

[adkindo]

not really sure why the suggestion is that since the Lions are playing football or some kids are playing baseball is evidence that the Michigan Governor will not be able to influence the Michigan schools playing college football. There were many reports after the initial vote that she was in communication with both Michigan and Michigan State's presidents encouraging them to delay/cancel the football season. She is even on the record claiming to be "glad" that the Big10 was not playing football, and justifying why she believed it was ok for other sports to move forward while being against football this fall. Governors have direct influence on public universities within their state, and there is little doubt about her position. She is a politician so her position could change if she believes it will hurt her political future.

[Boston Red]

Today is finally decision day for the Big 10+. Should be interesting!

[adkindo]

Today is finally decision day for the Big 10+. Should be interesting!

sounds like a green light if we are to believe the Nebraska Presidents comment on a hot mic...

Nebraska official caught on hot mic saying Big Ten football decision coming Tuesday (https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29892098/nebraska-official-caught-hot-mic-saying-big-ten-football-decision-coming-tuesday)

[Todd Gack]

Today is finally decision day for the Big 10+. Should be interesting!

Indiana is in week 5 of High School football (Week 7 Overall)

Congrats to the Big 10 for coming around and losing this political battle.

[Reds Freak]

not really sure why the suggestion is that since the Lions are playing football or some kids are playing baseball is evidence that the Michigan Governor will not be able to influence the Michigan schools playing college football. There were many reports after the initial vote that she was in communication with both Michigan and Michigan State's presidents encouraging them to delay/cancel the football season. She is even on the record claiming to be "glad" that the Big10 was not playing football, and justifying why she believed it was ok for other sports to move forward while being against football this fall. Governors have direct influence on public universities within their state, and there is little doubt about her position. She is a politician so her position could change if she believes it will hurt her political future.

Do you have a link to any reputable reports of the governor interfering with Michigan and Michigan State football? All I remember seeing is stuff from fan sites and twitter eggs.

[KronoRed]

Today is finally decision day for the Big 10+. Should be interesting!

*crickets*

[Boston Red]

*crickets*

Apparently the Big Ten waited until this morning so that the Nebraska "hot mic" moment wouldn't be quite right. But sounds like they're back now.

[texasdave]

They're baaaaack! https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/29897305/sources-big-ten-announce-october-return

[adkindo]

Do you have a link to any reputable reports of the governor interfering with Michigan and Michigan State football? All I remember seeing is stuff from fan sites and twitter eggs.

no, that was several weeks ago. To be clear, it was not a message board site, it was an article or tweet from a journalist that claimed a source confirmed she was in contact with both and either encouraged or supported their decision not to play. I am not understanding why anyone would have doubts? I get if you want to take the position that I am not going to believe or not believe unnamed sources, but having doubts when it fits into everything she has did and said in recent weeks is something I do not understand. She would not allow high schools to play football while allowing other sports, and only gave in recently when it became clear it was a losing issue at the ballot box. She is clearly on the record stating she was "glad" the Big10 took the position to cancel football....and I know of no other Governor that went on the record suggesting they were pleased about the decision. Can I guarantee you that she was involved...no. If there was one Governor in the entire country that would most likely be involved in cancelling football and illogical restrictions based on their actions in recent months....it is her.

[adkindo]

Apparently the Big Ten waited until this morning so that the Nebraska "hot mic" moment wouldn't be quite right. But sounds like they're back now.

Sucks for PAC12...they really will have no reason to play later in the year now. I saw USC players were begging Newsom to loosen restrictions allowing them to play, but I do not see it happening anytime soon. Even if Newsom allowed them to practice/play...they would need Washington and Oregon Governors to allow, and they have their hands full with the fires right now.

[Reds Freak]

no, that was several weeks ago. To be clear, it was not a message board site, it was an article or tweet from a journalist that claimed a source confirmed she was in contact with both and either encouraged or supported their decision not to play. I am not understanding why anyone would have doubts? I get if you want to take the position that I am not going to believe or not believe unnamed sources, but having doubts when it fits into everything she has did and said in recent weeks is something I do not understand. She would not allow high schools to play football while allowing other sports, and only gave in recently when it became clear it was a losing issue at the ballot box. She is clearly on the record stating she was "glad" the Big10 took the position to cancel football....and I know of no other Governor that went on the record suggesting they were pleased about the decision. Can I guarantee you that she was involved...no. If there was one Governor in the entire country that would most likely be involved in cancelling football and illogical restrictions based on their actions in recent months....it is her.

Michigan has the second-lowest seven-day positivity rate of the Big 10 states (2.9%, Wisconsin is highest at 14.6%). I don't follow the state of Michigan close enough, but I'm guessing their response might not have been perfect but it's looking pretty good.

[Kingspoint]

Michigan has the second-lowest seven-day positivity rate of the Big 10 states (2.9%, Wisconsin is highest at 14.6%). I don't follow the state of Michigan close enough, but I'm guessing their response might not have been perfect but it's looking pretty good.

Oregon has been in the 4's, 5's and 6's for quite a while now.

[Kingspoint]

https://www.oregonlive.com/collegefootball/2020/09/oregon-gov-kate-brown-oha-grant-exemption-for-uo-osu-sports-pending-approval-of-pac-12-plans.html

Governor made an exemption for the Ducks and Beavers.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Shaun Wade opted out. OSU already down 2 elite players. Probably more to come. I’m sure Fields is coming soon. Kinda hope they just cancel at this point.

Wade and Davis have been opted back in and will play this season.

[adkindo]

Wade and Davis have been opted back in and will play this season.

Of course they did because they are ballers. If you love the game, care for your teammates, and do not have any health issues that would increase your level of vulnerability.....you are going to run through that tunnel with your guys to take the field on game day.

[adkindo]

PAC12 should forever be known as a subsidiary of the Big10....or the Big10's little b@#$%. Nearly zero discussion of football....the Big10 announces they are playing, and suddenly the PAC12 views the world completely different.

[adkindo]

Not a great slate of games today with the Big12 out and the SEC & Big10 yet to begin. A few decent games....

- UCF (-7.5) over Georgia Tech...and covers the 7.5 point spread.

- Marshall upsets App State (-5.5)

- Miami over Louisville (-2.5)

- Do not expect Notre Dame to cover the 23.5 points against USF

[adkindo]

Nebraska opens with Ohio State.....Big10 sending a message?

[adkindo]

Not a great slate of games today with the Big12 out and the SEC & Big10 yet to begin. A few decent games....

- UCF (-7.5) over Georgia Tech...and covers the 7.5 point spread.

- Marshall upsets App State (-5.5)

- Miami over Louisville (-2.5)

- Do not expect Notre Dame to cover the 23.5 points against USF

just missed the last one.....did not expect USF to look so bad. That is easily the worst USF team I have seen take the field, and I recall them as a D1AA team.

[adkindo]

thoughts from today....

- OK State did not look good, but if their QB is back next week, they are likely a very different team....one that we will not have the advantage of have decent film on from this year.

- UCF is legit again. They were a little rusty, but when their offense is rolling, it rolls downhill. They are as athletic as they have ever been across the board, and the QB may be another special one. The only team on their schedule that sticks out as worrisome is Cincinnati who also appear good this season.

- Sorry, but Marshall is a solid football team this year. I am not sure I see a loss on their schedule.

- Miami is better than they have been in recent years, but not nearly as good as they think they are this year.

- Not buying the Notre Dame hype this year.....USF is really bad this year and at times looked more like a solid Division II team. They were just smaller and less athletic at every position....the program has really diminished over the last two seasons.

- also....Nebraska needs to begin making plans to return to the Big12. The Big10 clearly sent them a message with that schedule early in the season, and if you are Nebraska you need to realize you are not viewed as relevant by other conference members.

[adkindo]

was glad to see Marshall get into the AP Rankings this week before the Big10 are included....it has been a while since Marshall was ranked....

[bucksfan2]

thoughts from today....

- OK State did not look good, but if their QB is back next week, they are likely a very different team....one that we will not have the advantage of have decent film on from this year.

- UCF is legit again. They were a little rusty, but when their offense is rolling, it rolls downhill. They are as athletic as they have ever been across the board, and the QB may be another special one. The only team on their schedule that sticks out as worrisome is Cincinnati who also appear good this season.

- Sorry, but Marshall is a solid football team this year. I am not sure I see a loss on their schedule.

- Miami is better than they have been in recent years, but not nearly as good as they think they are this year.

- Not buying the Notre Dame hype this year.....USF is really bad this year and at times looked more like a solid Division II team. They were just smaller and less athletic at every position....the program has really diminished over the last two seasons.

- also....Nebraska needs to begin making plans to return to the Big12. The Big10 clearly sent them a message with that schedule early in the season, and if you are Nebraska you need to realize you are not viewed as relevant by other conference members.

Didn't know this until today, but there is a reason Nebraska got the schedule they did. The B1G set up the schedule in a way that for each six year period there is a set crossover game. Nebraska was given OSU for that (Wisconsin - Michigan, Purdue - Indiana, etc.) It was supposed to pit like programs together and then after the six years elapsed, there would be a new team added. Once you consider that, Nebraska had 7 games set, and you take the cross divisional home game that was slated this season (since OSU was on the road) and you have their schedule. No punishment, just the way the schedule fell this season.

[adkindo]

Didn't know this until today, but there is a reason Nebraska got the schedule they did. The B1G set up the schedule in a way that for each six year period there is a set crossover game. Nebraska was given OSU for that (Wisconsin - Michigan, Purdue - Indiana, etc.) It was supposed to pit like programs together and then after the six years elapsed, there would be a new team added. Once you consider that, Nebraska had 7 games set, and you take the cross divisional home game that was slated this season (since OSU was on the road) and you have their schedule. No punishment, just the way the schedule fell this season.

I do not doubt you in regards to who they play....but for a team desperate to get off to a better start, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State stacked up in the first 4 weeks seems rough.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I do not doubt you in regards to who they play....but for a team desperate to get off to a better start, Ohio State, Wisconsin and Penn State stacked up in the first 4 weeks seems rough.

I’m not arguing that it’s not a comically difficult start for Nebraska, it is. One factor that I haven’t seen discussed hardly at all for the Big Ten is just how cold it might be for the end of the season. Everyone is going to be playing outdoor games for 2-3 weeks beyond when they typically do and unless we get lucky with a mild December that becomes a factor potentially.

I’m really happy OSU is playing Penn St early for example. For a team with a running QB and some athletic offensive weapons it might benefit Nebraska to play some of the “better” teams early.

[adkindo]

I’m not arguing that it’s not a comically difficult start for Nebraska, it is. One factor that I haven’t seen discussed hardly at all for the Big Ten is just how cold it might be for the end of the season. Everyone is going to be playing outdoor games for 2-3 weeks beyond when they typically do and unless we get lucky with a mild December that becomes a factor potentially.

I’m really happy OSU is playing Penn St early for example. For a team with a running QB and some athletic offensive weapons it might benefit Nebraska to play some of the “better” teams early.

It is a good point....but I have to wonder if the guys in that locker room are getting to a point where they may be questioning if Frost is as good as advertised, and starting off 1-3 could cause a spiral. I personally still believe in Frost....not saying he is elite, but I believe he has the ability to motivate and inspire young men. That crew he had at UCF would have ran through a wall for him....it was fairly deep. They appear to like Heupel, but it clearly is not the relationship that Frost had with that locker room when he was at UCF.

[Rojo Rijo]

College Football starts in 3 days. Can't wait

[adkindo]

SportsCenter
@SportsCenter

Breaking: The Pac-12 will play a seven-game college football season beginning Nov. 6, a source told @CFBHeather

7:05 PM · Sep 24, 2020
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[Boston Red]

Well, at least the Big Ten no longer is the silliest conference.

[adkindo]

Kanas State has came back and tied Oklahoma @ 35 with 8:17 left in the game...

[adkindo]

Kanas State has came back and tied Oklahoma @ 35 with 8:17 left in the game...

KState takes the lead with a FG....4 minutes left

[adkindo]

Kansas State who lost to Arkansas State last week knocks off #3 Oklahoma in Norman.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Big 12 better hope Texas is good because otherwise yikes.

[RedTeamGo!]

Oklahoma’s odds of making CFP actually increased by 5%

[WVRed]

Big 12 better hope Texas is good because otherwise yikes.

Don’t sleep on Oklahoma State. Has two Heisman candidates one of which was the leading rusher in FBS last year. Their starting QB got hurt last week and is out but they are handling WVU right now.

[Boston Red]

Fair enough not to sleep on OSU, but they trailed Tulsa pretty much the whole game last week, so if that's your gold standard for the league, the league is probably bad.

[WVRed]

Fair enough not to sleep on OSU, but they trailed Tulsa pretty much the whole game last week, so if that's your gold standard for the league, the league is probably bad.

I say that and they are laying an egg in the second half. Still winning.

Can’t say the same for Texas right now.

[Boston Red]

Texas defense is apparently a problem.

[WVRed]

Mike Leach goes to Death Valley and knocks off LSU. KJ Costello has 623 passing yards and 5 TDS.

[adkindo]

Don’t sleep on Oklahoma State. Has two Heisman candidates one of which was the leading rusher in FBS last year. Their starting QB got hurt last week and is out but they are handling WVU right now.

eh....I would not say OK State "handled" WVU.....WVU just kept peeing on itself. I think WVU actually had more offensive production that OK State. All that said, I assume OK State is a better team with their starting QB....but they are a flawed team.

Right now, it does not appear the Big12 will have a playoff worthy team. I think this year may be the year that and undefeated AAC team has a chance. I think UCF is the best team in that conference, but they will have to beat Cincy who is also strong. I think for that to happen, they will need either 'Bama or Florida to slip up and only one team from the SEC makes it assuming the ACC (Clemson?) and Big10 (Ohio State?) get a team in....

[Stray]

I think Mike Leach is great for college football and I'd love for him to stay there, but he seems to almost be a victim of his own success. He went to bad football schools and put up stupid numbers. But people could always say yeah but he couldn't do it "there". Rolling into the SEC and breaking the all time single game passing record in game 1 against the defending national champs puts that to bed. Great coach and great character. But I do selfishly want him to stay in college football.

[adkindo]

How many undefeated teams will there be this season? Watching this BYU team tonight, and I do not see a loss on their schedule which is very light, but without the non con schedules this year, we may have significantly more teams without a loss.

[Boston Red]

Boise is now on the BYU schedule, and they might be good. Won't know for a while as Boise's game 1 is in three weeks.

[Boston Red]

I think we can now confirm that the Big 12 is horrible. OK State might still have a good team, but hopefully no Big 12 teams in the playoffs.

[KronoRed]

Arkansas wins it's first SEC game since 2017, upending the Leach express 21-14.

[Stray]

Nice win for the Cats today, but Ridder has not made the jump I was expecting from him this year.

[adkindo]

I think we can now confirm that the Big 12 is horrible. OK State might still have a good team, but hopefully no Big 12 teams in the playoffs.

If OK State could get rolling, they have the starpower to get in the playoffs. They should get their QB back soon. Right now, I do not think they are on that level, but have to keep in mind their QB has been out since early in the first game. The true freshman they are currently playing came into the season as the 3rd string QB and was out for much of preseason because of COVID. After watching Oklahoma struggle for the 2nd week in a row, OK State should be in position to win every game on their schedule if healthy. My hesitation with OK State is their one weakness is the OLine, and that is one of those weaknesses that will likely be too much to overcome at some point.

[adkindo]

Thoughts after Week 5.....

- I change my mind on the Big10 being ranked before they take the field. I did not initially care, but now I can see how it makes no sense. Teams are winning and losing...their rankings are going up and down....what do you do with all of the B10 teams that are ranked? How do you justify moving them down or moving them up based on what everyone else does that week? What would be the evidence that they are better or worse from week to week?

- Oregon is expected to be the best team in the PAC12, but after releasing their schedule, they should be disqualified from playoff contention. There are teams in CUSA that have tougher schedules.

- Is it just me or are the SEC offenses becoming more explosive while the defenses have became less stout? Is the SEC becoming what the Big12 was a couple years ago?

- The AAC may have a legit case of being the 3rd, 4th or 5th best conference this season.

- Playoff forecast as of Week 5....
1. Clemson
2. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Ohio State (placeholder until they play?)
----------------------------------------------------------------
5. Oklahoma State
6. Georgia
(I wanted to include BYU....but I need one of these teams to lose)

- within the first 2 weeks, the SEC got the full Mike Leach experience!

- Watch out for the Ponies.....SMU is a handful.

- What does $100 Million buy in college football? A preseason overranking and a decade of disappointment. Think Texas A&M feel good about the Jimbo contract?

- UNC is ranked too high...

- FSU was losing to Jax State in the 3rd Quarter in Tallahassee. Think about that.....95% of college football fans do not even know that the Jacksonville State mascot is the Gamecocks, and at least 80% of college football fans think Jax State is in Northern Florida! FSU plays Notre Dame in prime time next week....that should be fun.

[Boston Red]

UCF losing to Tulsa I think marks the end of the UCF "dynasty". They're just a regular old AAC team again.

[RedTeamGo!]

I have little to no interest in college football with the B1G not playing. This has been pretty eye opening to me. I could not care less about the Big 12 and ACC and most of these SEC games are awful.

[adkindo]

UCF losing to Tulsa I think marks the end of the UCF "dynasty". They're just a regular old AAC team again.

They lost that game because after 2 or their 3 running backs got knocked out of the game, their offense became one dimensional. The beauty to what UCF offense has did in recent years has been the sheer number of weapons they throw at a team, and how each guy brings something different to the offense which made it nearly impossible to defend. UCF was dominating that game until their running game became a non-factor. Tulsa almost beat OK State in a similar way....once OK State's QB was removed, the Tulsa defense locked in on the running game. Tulsa is actually a solid team this year, and have been in recent years.

I am not sure there was ever a UCF dynasty, but I still believe they are the premium program outside the P5. I have no doubt they would role the majority of P5 teams if they took the field next weekend. The program, size of University, facilities and location are just head and shoulders above other very good G6 teams.

[adkindo]

I have little to no interest in college football with the B1G not playing. This has been pretty eye opening to me. I could not care less about the Big 12 and ACC and most of these SEC games are awful.

yeah, 'Bama, Florida, Clemson and Georgia just does not do it.....we need some Illinois and Purdue football.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I have little to no interest in college football with the B1G not playing. This has been pretty eye opening to me. I could not care less about the Big 12 and ACC and most of these SEC games are awful.

I’ve found the same. The Big 10 and probably more specifically Ohio State anchors my fan experience. I’m usually super interested in all the games and try and catch as many as I can on Saturday, but that’s not what has happened the last couple weeks. I’ve had a few games on, but my attention drifts and I haven’t prioritized it at all. Hopefully it changes in a couple weeks when the Big Ten is back.

[adkindo]

I’ve found the same. The Big 10 and probably more specifically Ohio State anchors my fan experience. I’m usually super interested in all the games and try and catch as many as I can on Saturday, but that’s not what has happened the last couple weeks. I’ve had a few games on, but my attention drifts and I haven’t prioritized it at all. Hopefully it changes in a couple weeks when the Big Ten is back.

I think you are part of a large majority....it is always anchored to our team. If WVU was not playing, I probably do not set aside time to watch Alabama.....not sure the logic there since one has nothing to do with the other, but that is the way it seems to work. I am the same with the NFL.....if the Bucs took this season off, not sure I would watch the Patriots game on Monday. Again, I am not saying there is a straight line of logic.....but it holds true.

[RedTeamGo!]

yeah, 'Bama, Florida, Clemson and Georgia just does not do it.....we need some Illinois and Purdue football.

Clemson playing absolute trash every week does not do it.

I did not say the SEC was bad, just that the games are awful. It’s extremely top heavy. Also, I’m not saying the B1G is better, I am saying I have just realized I don’t really care about the other conferences without the teams I grew up watching playing.

Also, I have no idea why you are comparing two of the worst programs in the B1G to Bama and Georgia.

[adkindo]

Also, I have no idea why you are comparing two of the worst programs in the B1G to Bama and Georgia.

because my assumption was what you are really missing is your favorite team playing....if the B10 returned, but Ohio State took the season off, I would speculate that you would still lack interest. At the same time, if only Ohio State was playing and competing against teams outside the Big10, you likely would still be very interested?

In regards to the actual games, I have found that the SEC will always give you a couple quality games each weekend....This week Tennessee @ Georgia could be good....maybe even Arkansas @ Auburn....and then we get Saban vs. Kiffin! The next week LSU visits the Swamp, and it is hard to beat Georgia @ Alabama. I definitely can't make that argument for the ACC or the Big12 if your favorite team is not a part of those conferences.

[GAC]

Anyone missing PAC-12 play? LOL

[BuckeyeRed27]

Anyone missing PAC-12 play? LOL

I am, but I went to USC and like to watch them. The PAC 12 in general is really fun football though. Typically lots of good QB play, different types of offenses and lots of back and forth games. The league has a ton of parity, which kills them in the CFP picture because it's pretty rare for someone to run the slate and a lot of their games are on past the East coasts bed time.

[Boston Red]

I don't miss the Pac-12. I would if USC was still USC, but they're obviously not. I can live without Utah/Washington State.

College football just feels weird and disjointed this year anyway (which just reflects reality). Personally, I've always thought conference play was overall a bit boring. I much prefer the non-conference part of the schedule, and we obviously didn't get much of that this year.

[bucksfan2]

I don't miss the Pac-12. I would if USC was still USC, but they're obviously not. I can live without Utah/Washington State.

College football just feels weird and disjointed this year anyway (which just reflects reality). Personally, I've always thought conference play was overall a bit boring. I much prefer the non-conference part of the schedule, and we obviously didn't get much of that this year.

The non-conference is fun, but when you realize that its one good game and two crap games, I don't think I miss it as much. I really wanted to see OSU play Oregon, but don't really care to watch OSU play BGSU.

I also wonder if it will changed conferences minds about going to 8 or 9 games schedules. While it may not seem like a big difference, its the difference between playing Liberty or Miss St in the SEC. Every once in a while Miss State will jump up and bit you, Liberty, not so much.

[Boston Red]

Liberty beat Baylor three years ago.

[bucksfan2]

Liberty beat Baylor three years ago.

And Appy State beat Michigan a few years ago as well. Doesn't mean those games need to be played. If a 9th conference game does away with the SEC's brutal week 11 schedule, I am all for it.

[Boston Red]

I'll have to agree to disagree. Hell, the Michigan/App State example is exactly WHY those games need to be played.

Also, according to Sagarin App State was better than 8 Big Ten teams last year, 7 Big Ten teams in 2018 and 5 Big Ten teams in 2017.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I'll have to agree to disagree. Hell, the Michigan/App State example is exactly WHY those games need to be played.

Also, according to Sagarin App State was better than 8 Big Ten teams last year, 7 Big Ten teams in 2018 and 5 Big Ten teams in 2017.

I don't mind having one of them played. Without a preseason it's good to have more of a tune up game, it's good financially for the non Power 5 teams, and once in a blue moon you get a crazy upset which is fun.

But teams playing 3 or 4 non Power 5 teams is ridiculous and playing them in November is also silly. I wish there was a lot more uniformity in college football scheduling overall. There is so much conversation about fixing the playoff system, when the regular season is really what needs the most tweaks. Make everyone play 9 conference games, two P5 games and one against whoever you want.

[Boston Red]

Yuck. The lack of uniformity is one of the main things that makes college sports so much more interesting than pro sports.

IMO, the golden era of college football was before Florida State joined the ACC and Penn State joined the Big Ten and we had all the major independents.

[bucksfan2]

I don't mind having one of them played. Without a preseason it's good to have more of a tune up game, it's good financially for the non Power 5 teams, and once in a blue moon you get a crazy upset which is fun.

But teams playing 3 or 4 non Power 5 teams is ridiculous and playing them in November is also silly. I wish there was a lot more uniformity in college football scheduling overall. There is so much conversation about fixing the playoff system, when the regular season is really what needs the most tweaks. Make everyone play 9 conference games, two P5 games and one against whoever you want.

Exactly. I have no problem playing a few money generating games, or giving the MAC teams a pay day as a preseason game. Just for reference I checked out Alabama's schedule next year, they have Miami, New Mexico St, Southern Miss, and Mercer in their non-conference. Alabama is schedule to play Florida in 2021 and then not again until at least 2026. With the expansion of conferences, you don't see conference foes much unless there is a league mandate. I would rather see OSU play Iowa, Purdue, NW, Minnesota more often and lose a MAC game.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Yuck. The lack of uniformity is one of the main things that makes college sports so much more interesting than pro sports.

IMO, the golden era of college football was before Florida State joined the ACC and Penn State joined the Big Ten and we had all the major independents.

But it doesn't make any sense to have uneven scheduling when everyone is playing for the same prize.

That era was before the BCS even, so you were just trying to get to the Rose Bowl or the Orange Bowl or whatever.

[Revering4Blue]

Anyone missing PAC-12 play? LOL

I'm a nightowl. So, yes, I miss the PAC-12 and Mountain West.

[Revering4Blue]

College football just feels weird and disjointed this year anyway (which just reflects reality). Personally, I've always thought conference play was overall a bit boring. I much prefer the non-conference part of the schedule, and we obviously didn't get much of that this year.

This.

[Boston Red]

Scheduling is always going to be uneven in college football. Clemson plays Wake Forest like 12 times this year, I think. One year Kentucky was playing non-conference against Louisville with an NFL MVP at QB. The next year, they were playing a 1-10 Louisville team that was losing by like 40 points/game. Sometimes you schedule Fresno and their QB is David Carr. Sometimes you schedule Fresno and they're 2-9. Again, that all makes college sports more interesting. I mean, who doesn't love the annual discussion on whether or not Gonzaga is any good in basketball (spoiler: they are)?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Scheduling is always going to be uneven in college football. Clemson plays Wake Forest like 12 times this year, I think. One year Kentucky was playing non-conference against Louisville with an NFL MVP at QB. The next year, they were playing a 1-10 Louisville team that was losing by like 40 points/game. Sometimes you schedule Fresno and their QB is David Carr. Sometimes you schedule Fresno and they're 2-9. Again, that all makes college sports more interesting. I mean, who doesn't love the annual discussion on whether or not Gonzaga is any good in basketball (spoiler: they are)?

Yeah I'm fine with that. I'm with you on the variability aspect because teams change, that stuff is great.

There is no guarantee that playing 9 conference games and 2 P5 nonconference games means you'll have a "better" schedule than someone that plays 8 conference games with 1 P5 and 3 non P5. But on average you will and if everyone does it at least you are judging on the same curve.

Also by forcing everyone to schedule two P5 games doesn't that give us schedules closer to the pre BCS era like you were saying? I'm surprised you aren't for that.

[RedTeamGo!]

Scheduling is always going to be uneven in college football. Clemson plays Wake Forest like 12 times this year, I think. One year Kentucky was playing non-conference against Louisville with an NFL MVP at QB. The next year, they were playing a 1-10 Louisville team that was losing by like 40 points/game. Sometimes you schedule Fresno and their QB is David Carr. Sometimes you schedule Fresno and they're 2-9. Again, that all makes college sports more interesting. I mean, who doesn't love the annual discussion on whether or not Gonzaga is any good in basketball (spoiler: they are)?

I find it amusing people still refuse to admit Gonzaga is legit.

[Boston Red]

Also by forcing everyone to schedule two P5 games doesn't that give us schedules closer to the pre BCS era like you were saying? I'm surprised you aren't for that.

It's a good point for sure. But I'm a Louisville fan, and among those major independents were Cincinnati, Memphis and Southern Miss, who were great rivals. Louisville was lucky enough to escape all of that to the ACC, but it makes me sad that there does not appear to be a path for today's Louisville, TCU or Utah to escape the G6 treadmill.

[Boston Red]

I find it amusing people still refuse to admit Gonzaga is legit.

I think the absolute thumping they put on the Muskies in the Elite Eight finally shut up most of Xavier nation. The fact that Gonzaga absolutely worked Xavier in both halves of a home and home didn't stop the incessant whining I had to fight (because why wouldn't I? :) ) on the Xavier board about Gonzaga getting more respect than Xavier. It took Gonzaga like 10 years of overperforming their seed in the NCAA Tournament to overcome maybe two years of upsets and Adam Morrison crying on the floor when they choked against UCLA.

[BuckeyeRed27]

It's a good point for sure. But I'm a Louisville fan, and among those major independents were Cincinnati, Memphis and Southern Miss, who were great rivals. Louisville was lucky enough to escape all of that to the ACC, but it makes me sad that there does not appear to be a path for today's Louisville, TCU or Utah to escape the G6 treadmill.

There will probably be another round of expansion in the next 5 years or so to possibly pick up a few of them.

[bucksfan2]

There will probably be another round of expansion in the next 5 years or so to possibly pick up a few of them.

I just don't see where the teams will come from. ND is really the only program out there that you would want to add in terms of expansion. Memphis? UC? USF? UCF? what do those guys really bring to the table?

If the B1G could kick out Rutgers, I think there would be another round of expansion, but I just don't see it. ND would be exciting in the B1G, but would WVU or Pitt? Would adding Missouri move the needle? It may be a race to add ND, and then see what happens as the dust settles.

[KronoRed]

I think you'll see expansion because after this is all over a lot of programs are going to be dust and the conferences will want to expand for the leftovers and of course the cash.

I think the Pac12 will be destroyed with the big 12 taking the good teams.

[adkindo]

Anyone missing PAC-12 play? LOL

I actually do to a degree....often added a decent game to watch if you were home on a Saturday night.

I have realized I do miss the non-conference play this year. I get that each team usually only play 1 other P5 team (except WVU who has been scheduling 2 P5's for a few years!), but it really does set the foundation for the season. It is not always accurate or even great logic, but you can back your way into evaluations to a degree. For example, if Clemson plays Utah and wins 31-7....then Clemson goes on to destroy the ACC and Oregon beats Utah 24-14. We now have a pretty good idea that Oregon is a very good team...but playing only a conference schedule really does not make it easy to compare teams in different conferences. I would really like the P5 teams to all commit to play 3 P5 teams and 3 G6 teams every 2 years....and remove the FSC teams from schedules.

[adkindo]

I think you'll see expansion because after this is all over a lot of programs are going to be dust and the conferences will want to expand for the leftovers and of course the cash.

I think the Pac12 will be destroyed with the big 12 taking the good teams.

I think everyone is locked in to 2023-2025 among the P5 conference tv contracts. There are methods to add G6 teams before then, but it is nearly impossible for most of the P5 teams to walk during the contract.

[GAC]

I'll have to agree to disagree. Hell, the Michigan/App State example is exactly WHY those games need to be played.

Also, according to Sagarin App State was better than 8 Big Ten teams last year, 7 Big Ten teams in 2018 and 5 Big Ten teams in 2017.

App State, as well as Middle Tennesse and Troy, are small schools that seem to build consistently competitive programs. Look how competitive conferences like the MAC have become? I love it.

And I'd say the Wolverines most embarrassing loss was to Toledo in 2008! A lousy 1-4 Toledo Rockets team! LOL

[Boston Red]

remove the FSC teams from schedules.

Yes, getting rid of the I-AA games would absolutely be a good thing. You can schedule North Dakota State, but all other I-AA teams are off limits!

[RedTeamGo!]

App State, as well as Middle Tennesse and Troy, are small schools that seem to build consistently competitive programs. Look how competitive conferences like the MAC have become? I love it.

And I'd say the Wolverines most embarrassing loss was to Toledo in 2008! A lousy 1-4 Toledo Rockets team! LOL

Hahaha I’ll never forget watching that UT vs Michigan game at a bar in Toledo called Nick and Jimmy’s. I was a UT student at the time and my friends little sister was a freshman and had joined the group to watch. Nick Moore started racking up reception after reception after reception on his way to breaking a record (20 receptions at the big house). She was being oddly quiet as they kept talking about him on national television. Eventually her brother went to the bathroom and someone asked her what was up. Turned out Moore had dumped her a few days before the game.

[Danny Serafini]

When UT blocked that field goal I screamed so loud I scared my dog :laugh: That was such a wonderful day. There was a funny line going around after the season - why did UT fire their coach? He only beat Michigan by 3 :lol:

[bucksfan2]

I think you'll see expansion because after this is all over a lot of programs are going to be dust and the conferences will want to expand for the leftovers and of course the cash.

I think the Pac12 will be destroyed with the big 12 taking the good teams.

From a conference standpoint, the Pac 12 is a far stronger unit than the Big 12. The Big 12 pretty much is Texas and Oklahoma. I don't see anyone from the Pac 12 jumping to a conference that is dominated by the state of Texas right now. In the last realignment, Colorado jumped rather quickly to the Pac 12 away from the Big 12.

[adkindo]

From a conference standpoint, the Pac 12 is a far stronger unit than the Big 12. The Big 12 pretty much is Texas and Oklahoma. I don't see anyone from the Pac 12 jumping to a conference that is dominated by the state of Texas right now. In the last realignment, Colorado jumped rather quickly to the Pac 12 away from the Big 12.

the same reason all teams jump conferences.....$$$. The Big12 has a larger per team television contract $ distribution to teams, and I do not see that changing anytime soon. I think to date, Colorado is the only school that changed conferences and landed in a conference that paid them less $, but Colorado was in fear that the Big12 would collapse at the time and they would be left on the outside looking in....Nebraska receives more $ in the B10, Texas A&M and Missouri receive more $ in the SEC, etc.

[Assembly Hall]

the same reason all teams jump conferences.....$$$. The Big12 has a larger per team television contract $ distribution to teams, and I do not see that changing anytime soon. I think to date, Colorado is the only school that changed conferences and landed in a conference that paid them less $, but Colorado was in fear that the Big12 would collapse at the time and they would be left on the outside looking in....Nebraska receives more $ in the B10, Texas A&M and Missouri receive more $ in the SEC, etc.

I call BS on that garbage...Big 8(12) schools jumped ship because of Texas.

[KronoRed]

Teams will learn to deal with Texas if it means millions of more dollars coming in, the PAC12 networks are a failure, schools will be jumping ship.

[Assembly Hall]

Teams will learn to deal with Texas if it means millions of more dollars coming in, the PAC12 networks are a failure, schools will be jumping ship.

You mean like A&M, Colorado, and Mizzou? Hell, the Big 12(8) ain't even their conference. SWC anyone?

[Revering4Blue]

You mean like A&M, Colorado, and Mizzou? Hell, the Big 12(8) ain't even their conference. SWC anyone?Not to mention Nebraska, which effectively killed their chances for year to year National relevence in the process. The one common denominator in this entire process: Texas.

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[KronoRed]

All those schools thought they were going where the money was and they were right, except for Colorado.

We'll see what happens but I really do think the pac12 will be in real trouble.

[adkindo]

Not to mention Nebraska, which effectively killed their chances for year to year National relevence in the process. The one common denominator in this entire process: Texas.

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Nebraska? They had lost national relevance long before they went to the Big10. It had been a decade since they were even in a major bowl (2001 loss in Rose Bowl).

[adkindo]

I call BS on that garbage...Big 8(12) schools jumped ship because of Texas.

then my opinion would be your memory has failed you....A&M left because of Texas, the other schools left because of the instability of the Big12 at the time and guaranteed high revenue in the conference they landed in at the time. The Big 12's television contract was expiring and there was a real chance the conference would fold. If you are saying that Texas and their lack of commitment to the Big12 caused much of the instability, then I agree with that angle of Texas holding responsibility. Btw, I am not a defender of Texas, as they remain the biggest impediment for the Big12 to grow and solidify its future in my opinion. Outside of maybe a Notre Dame, I cannot imagine a worse school to share a conference with as they care nothing about the conference, as long as they viewed as "special" within the conference. At the same time, the other 9 schools know the reason they have a better tv contract than the ACC and Pac12 is because of Texas.

[Revering4Blue]

Nebraska? They had lost national relevance long before they went to the Big10. It had been a decade since they were even in a major bowl (2001 loss in Rose Bowl).

And any chance of returning to annual national relevance for the Huskers went out the window when they jumped to the B1G, effectively killing their once-established recruiting base in Texas - Nebraska itself sits on an island with very little High School talent within a 3 hour proximity. Couple that with Frost's recruiting ties to the state of Florida, and the Huskers' comp/ceiling would have been Texas or Oklahoma had they remained in the Big 12.

[Revering4Blue]

When UT blocked that field goal I screamed so loud I scared my dog :laugh: That was such a wonderful day. There was a funny line going around after the season - why did UT fire their coach? He only beat Michigan by 3 :lol:

Looking back, Toledo Tom's (Amstutz) UT teams were a blast to watch. And it still surprises me to this day that it all fell apart for Amstutz's tenure as HC, as I figured that he'd be coaching there for decades.

[Revering4Blue]

Texas / OU heading for overtime. All this following Texas A&M' s game winning field goal with no time left, as well as a successful goal line stand propelling Mizzou to victory over LSU.

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[Danny Serafini]

Looking back, Toledo Tom's (Amstutz) UT teams were a blast to watch. And it still surprises me to this day that it all fell apart for Amstutz's tenure as HC, as I figured that he'd be coaching there for decades.

From what I heard (I knew somebody at the time with inside info) there was a very serious problem with player discipline off the field. Not one terrible incident, just a general culture. Once it started affecting on field results it got him booted. He would've coached forever, I think he's still affiliated with the program in some manner. That guy bleeds blue and gold.

Those teams were fun to watch. Amstutz went for 4th downs a whole bunch more than most, and never met a bubble screen he didn't like. My personal favorite was the center-eligible pass, which I didn't even know you could do :laugh:. It only went for 4 yards, but it was pretty cool.

[adkindo]

Ole Miss with 'Bama step for step....score for score....tied up @ 35

[KronoRed]

The SEC has turned into the big12, with the exception of MSU which has 2 points in 3 quarters.

[adkindo]

The SEC has turned into the big12, with the exception of MSU which has 2 points in 3 quarters.

right....most games have been shootouts this year

[RedTeamGo!]

That game was fun to watch last night, but that barely resembled the football I grew up watching. Absolutely no defense whatsoever. Obviously there’s a lot of talent on offense, but I wouldn’t even call that game great offense, it was truly terrible defense.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Bama is in a bit of a transition, at least for them. They still might run the slate in the SEC because the other top teams don’t appear to be quite as good as they have been either.

Clemson looks like Clemson. We will see what OSU looks like here shortly, but if they are what the expectations are, hard to see how those aren’t the top 2 at the end.

[adkindo]

Bama is in a bit of a transition, at least for them. They still might run the slate in the SEC because the other top teams don’t appear to be quite as good as they have been either.

Clemson looks like Clemson. We will see what OSU looks like here shortly, but if they are what the expectations are, hard to see how those aren’t the top 2 at the end.

I would not count out Florida in the SEC. I say that because even in the lean years, they had a great defense, and was expected to have a good defense this year. It has not been to this point, but if it gets on track, they could very easily with the SEC East and Championship. It has been a weird year....Leach comes into the SEC and puts up 630+ yards in Game #1 against LSU, then his offense got shut out this weekend against a winless UK. Looking at the rankings and ND is #4 and UNC is #5....I have watched both this season and neither is a legit Top 5 level team.

[Boston Red]

Based on LSU/Mizzou, it seems the Mississippi State win over LSU has more to do with LSU being hot garbage than anything else.

[RedTeamGo!]

I would not count out Florida in the SEC. I say that because even in the lean years, they had a great defense, and was expected to have a good defense this year. It has not been to this point, but if it gets on track, they could very easily with the SEC East and Championship. It has been a weird year....Leach comes into the SEC and puts up 630+ yards in Game #1 against LSU, then his offense got shut out this weekend against a winless UK. Looking at the rankings and ND is #4 and UNC is #5....I have watched both this season and neither is a legit Top 5 level team.

The problem with Florida is they have already lost a game. They may run the table from here on out, but I would be surprised.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I can see Florida running the table, but unless they show a lot more I don’t think they are a legit threat.

[adkindo]

The problem with Florida is they have already lost a game. They may run the table from here on out, but I would be surprised.

They have lost a game, but if they win the SEC, the odds are very high they get into the playoffs. The offense is finally good....but the defense has not been nearly as good as expected. Btw, I am no Gator fan....they are easily my least favorite FL team behind FSU, Miami, UCF, USF, FAU, etc.

[bucksfan2]

They have lost a game, but if they win the SEC, the odds are very high they get into the playoffs. The offense is finally good....but the defense has not been nearly as good as expected. Btw, I am no Gator fan....they are easily my least favorite FL team behind FSU, Miami, UCF, USF, FAU, etc.

Florida still has to go through Georgia and Bama if they want to make it to the playoffs. If they do that, then they will be in the playoffs. The odds of them doing that are pretty slim if you ask me.

[adkindo]

Florida still has to go through Georgia and Bama if they want to make it to the playoffs. If they do that, then they will be in the playoffs. The odds of them doing that are pretty slim if you ask me.

I agree, it will not be easy....but coming into this season I thought they would be better than UGA....now I am not so sure.

[adkindo]

How nervous are Ohio State (or fans of any B10 team) fans about Game #1? No warm-ups...no non con mulligans and speculation is there has been less live action this preseason for most teams.

[Assembly Hall]

How nervous are Ohio State (or fans of any B10 team) fans about Game #1? No warm-ups...no non con mulligans and speculation is there has been less live action this preseason for most teams.

I can't speak for all B1G fans, but I am ready for football. Bring on the Lions.

[BuckeyeRed27]

How nervous are Ohio State (or fans of any B10 team) fans about Game #1? No warm-ups...no non con mulligans and speculation is there has been less live action this preseason for most teams.

Not nervous. Buckeyes will best Nebraska by 28+

[adkindo]

I can't speak for all B1G fans, but I am ready for football. Bring on the Lions.

honestly thought it must be an inside joke....could not figure out who the "lions" were. Then I looked at IU's schedule...guess I always hear Nittany Lions, and Lions did not register. Btw, why is there not more college teams that use the "lion" as a mascot? There are a ton of Tigers and Wildcats....but not many Lions.

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Not nervous. Buckeyes will best Nebraska by 28+

guess it helps to have a lot of guys returning....especially a QB.

[BuckeyeRed27]

honestly thought it must be an inside joke....could not figure out who the "lions" were. Then I looked at IU's schedule...guess I always hear Nittany Lions, and Lions did not register. Btw, why is there not more college teams that use the "lion" as a mascot? There are a ton of Tigers and Wildcats....but not many Lions.

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guess it helps to have a lot of guys returning....especially a QB.

Particularly a Heisman candidate QB that will be a top 10 draft pick. OSU has an absolutely loaded offense. They have some question marks on defense, but not enough to make a game against Nebraska close.

[adkindo]

Particularly a Heisman candidate QB that will be a top 10 draft pick. OSU has an absolutely loaded offense. They have some question marks on defense, but not enough to make a game against Nebraska close.

indirectly related, but recently I was thinking about how Martell should have chose WVU. He may have not held the position, but he likely goes into last season as QB#1 because WVU had nobody, and Kendall does not transfer to WVU if Martell chose WVU. Just a terrible decision because he was focused on all of the wrong things.

[Assembly Hall]

honestly thought it must be an inside joke....could not figure out who the "lions" were. Then I looked at IU's schedule...guess I always hear Nittany Lions, and Lions did not register. Btw, why is there not more college teams that use the "lion" as a mascot? There are a ton of Tigers and Wildcats....but not many Lions.

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guess it helps to have a lot of guys returning....especially a QB.

A Nittany Lion=Mountain Lion=Cougar.....lots of Cougars out there.

[adkindo]

A Nittany Lion=Mountain Lion=Cougar.....lots of Cougars out there.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m5sewmWnes

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9m5sewmWnes

Hell, don't you guys down in FLA call them Panthers?

[BuckeyeRed27]

indirectly related, but recently I was thinking about how Martell should have chose WVU. He may have not held the position, but he likely goes into last season as QB#1 because WVU had nobody, and Kendall does not transfer to WVU if Martell chose WVU. Just a terrible decision because he was focused on all of the wrong things.

Yeah that’s a kid getting some very bad advice. He actually showed some flashes when he played, but overall just a mess.

[WVRed]

Florida: “We want to pack the Swamp for LSU”

Also Florida:

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/30108140/florida-5-new-virus-cases-lsu-game

[adkindo]

Hell, don't you guys down in FLA call them Panthers?

I think there are a few (couple hundred) left in South Florida....I have only seen one at the zoo, and of course the NHL version.

[Boston Red]

Nick Saban now has the 'rona.

[adkindo]

Nick Saban now has the 'rona.

during Georgia week :scared:

[BuckeyeRed27]

Nick Saban now has the 'rona.

Haven’t seen any updates, is he doing ok? He’s not a spring chicken.

[Boston Red]

Haven’t seen any updates, is he doing ok? He’s not a spring chicken.

I don't think the virus can really harm robots.