Jacksonville Jaguars - 2020 - It's perfectly clear now !

[JaxRed]

So the 2020 off-season has started for Jags. They will have 2 #1 draft picks. #9 and #20 (Rams). First order of business is to find out how much house cleaning is to be done. Last year at the end of the season, Shad Khan famously stated that he expected to make the playoffs or changes would be made.

One change has already happened as the ill-fated Tom Coughlin experiment is over. Rumors keep flying around Jax that Khan is keeping HC Doug Marrone and GM Dave Caldwell. Former Jag Tony Boselli who does local radio in town put the odds at 98% that they'd be back. And that's before their last game home win.

Khan indicated that he would meet with all parties mid-week, so apparently we get no "Black Monday". In his post game interview Marrone indicated basically that he has a plan which he'll pitch.

Jags have a really bad cap situation (thanks Tom) and so the next GM will have to make some hard decisions. Yannick Ngawkwe is a Free Agent and has already indicated he won't play under franchise tag.

At QB we have Nick Foles who was benched by Marrone who is owed a LOT of money. He's close to untradeable this year. Next year (2021) trading or cutting him would not hurt as much. Gardner Minshew had ups and downs, but ended up 6-6 in games he started (despite a Marrone decision which probably cost us the game against Texas.)

[JaxRed]

The Shad Khan/Marrone meeting is now Tuesday morning.

[JaxRed]

As rumored, the Jags (Khan) are retaining Marrone and Caldwell. Laying all the blame on Coughlin. Tickets will be a hard sale this year. Dave Caldwell has got his hands full trying to clean up the mess and instill some enthusiasm in the off-season.

[Tom Servo]

Marrone doesn't seem to be a problem (though I imagine those who watch all their games might disagree) but I'm not sure why Caldwell has gotten so many chances.

[JaxRed]

Marrone doesn't seem to be a problem (though I imagine those who watch all their games might disagree) but I'm not sure why Caldwell has gotten so many chances.

I'm kind of the opposite. But there were some really bad choices made in FA and draft in the Coughlin/Caldwell era. If I was Khan I'd want to know the background on who really made those choices. For example there was talk that Caldwell wanted Mahomes instead of Fournette, but Coughlin wanted Fournette so Jags could pound the ball.

But I can see choices made by Marrone in game that I know make no sense. In this last game when it was still relatively close, Jags scored a TD to take a 2 point lead. They line up for extra point to make it 3 points, but defense makes a penalty. So Marrone goes for 2. Makes no sense. A TD gives Colts the lead either way but you're giving them a chance to beat you with a FG if you miss.

And Jags are always among the most penalized teams in NFL. We were 2nd this year.

My biggest issue with them staying is the impact it has on fan morale.

[oregonred]

Head scratcher for sure. Marrone is like the Jaguar with nine lives

[JaxRed]

Jags held a press conference yesterday for Marrone and Caldwell to face questions. Khan did not show up. Kinda gutless in my opinion. And Marrone gave answers to questions but provided absolutely no insight.

[Rojo Rijo]

Parting ways with OC DeFilippo

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28475805/jaguars-oc-john-defilippo-mutually-part-ways-1-season

[JaxRed]

Lots of folks around here think it actually might have been DeFillipo's choice. Based on a couple things. Philly job is open. Secondly, there seems to be a consensus that Marrone has cast his lot with Minshew and not Foles. So if Foles will be here one more year and then released, why does DeFillipo who most think was brought here because of his relationships to Foles, need to be here.

But, this will not be an attractive job for an OC that has options. Most of the OC jobs have already been filled, and you'll be working for the HC with perhaps the hottest seat in the NFL.

I've heard a couple names being speculated. One is Jim Caldwell who I want nothing to do with. The other is Jason Garrett. I have mixed emotions about him.

Here's my dream (and I know it's a dream) they get some hot shot like LSU's Brady to be OC/Asst HC with understanding that if Marrone is canned he gets the gig.

[JaxRed]

Well I woke up from dream. Brady signed with Panthers. There is an owner who's killing it this off-season.

On the Jaguars front, word is out we've interviewed (or will interview), Scott Linehan and Ben McAdoo for the OC position.

[JaxRed]

Now Jsy Gruden is on the OC list. He's a little more exciting to me.

[JaxRed]

Local reporter here says he expects OC to be named within 24 hours. He also said he interviewed the GM today, so I assume the GM told him they are crossing T's and dotting i's on an agreement.

In possibly related news Jsy Gruden has changed his name to Jay Gruden.

Edit: Ian Rapaport says Jags are hiring Gruden

[Rojo Rijo]

Two games in London for 2020.

Jags are looking to increase their local revenue and escape the bottom quartile of the league in that category.

With the Los Angeles Rams and Chargers and the Las Vegas Raiders moving into new stadiums for the 2020 season, the Jaguars felt an additional home game in London -- which generates twice the money of a home game at TIAA Bank Field -- was the best way to offset the boost those teams will be receiving from those relocations and stabilize the long-term future of the franchise.

The Jaguars are spearheading a proposed $700 million entertainment district development around the stadium that would result in additional revenue, but until that happens Jaguars president Mark Lamping said adding another home game in London is the right action for the team to take.

VIA ESPN

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/28633920/jaguars-play-two-london-games-2020-boost-revenue

[Kingspoint]

Just figured out what, "It's perfectly clear" means...they are moving to the UK.

[JaxRed]

Let the announcement and the resulting noise sink in for a couple days. Very disappointing. Very disappointed in Khan. His football people have failed to put a winning product on the field. The Jags have had losing seasons in 11 of the past 12 years if I remember correctly.

And his answer to that was have the same people continue to run it the football side of things. And now this. And in interviews he mealy mouths around his answers. I'm not very happy with Khan at the moment.

[North]

Let the announcement and the resulting noise sink in for a couple days. Very disappointing. Very disappointed in Khan. His football people have failed to put a winning product on the field. The Jags have had losing seasons in 11 of the past 12 years if I remember correctly.

And his answer to that was have the same people continue to run it the football side of things. And now this. And in interviews he mealy mouths around his answers. I'm not very happy with Khan at the moment.

His doppelganger has a team in SW Ohio. :)

[KoryMac5]

Just figured out what, "It's perfectly clear" means...they are moving to the UK.

At first glance you would think this but logistically it would be so hard to have a team over there in the UK...pay issues, they would need a US headquarters, training camp etc...having a team in London is a nightmare and I think the union would have issues with is as well.

According to some of the beat writers Khan is pouring money into the area surrounding the stadium so I don't see a move to London...

[kaldaniels]

I agree with the above that logistics are a huge hurdle to jump over at this point. The unintended consequences of the large time zone difference between the Pacific Coast and London are hard to forecast.

That said, Khan has his eye on London. If I had to bet I'd say he won't pull it (a full move) off, but I'd lay even money he makes the attempt to move the franchise there. I suspect the seeds are being planted to make the excuse of "if we want to remain competitive and profitable, we have to make the move to London." And from reading some of the local Jax articles the fans are ticked off, as they should be. So now, you have a bad team playing footsie with London...fan support will decrease, making the move to London a self-fulfilling prophecy. (At least that's the plan)

Back when you scoffed at this idea a few years ago JaxRed you trumpeted Khan investing 2 billion dollars into the new stadium/development. Where is that 2 billion now?

[Rojo Rijo]

At first glance you would think this but logistically it would be so hard to have a team over there in the UK...pay issues, they would need a US headquarters, training camp etc...having a team in London is a nightmare and I think the union would have issues with is as well.

According to some of the beat writers Khan is pouring money into the area surrounding the stadium so I don't see a move to London...

A move to London is highly unlikely but eventually seeing a scenario where the Jags are shipped over the Atlantic for something like a 3 or 4 game "home" stand wouldn't surprise me a bit.

[JaxRed]

Jags hired former Giants HC Ben McAdoo to be QB coach. We now have 2 former HC's on offense. Gruden and McAdoo. Next step is seeing the Free Agent moves including what ever happens to Yannick Ngokwe.

[Kingspoint]

I still firmly believe in Kahn and his process for trying to run the franchise with a goal of getting to the Super Bowl and winning it. He's been close, having been minutes away from getting there. It will happen. It's just not that easy as players still have to perform.

[JaxRed]

Jags hired former Giants HC Ben McAdoo to be QB coach. We now have 2 former HC's on offense. Gruden and McAdoo. Next step is seeing the Free Agent moves including what ever happens to Yannick Ngokwe.

Yannick announced on Twitter that he does not intend to sign with Jax. NFL sources reporting that Jags intend to franchise. IMO they should do that ASAP. Non-exclusive tag.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yannick announced on Twitter that he does not intend to sign with Jax. NFL sources reporting that Jags intend to franchise. IMO they should do that ASAP. Non-exclusive tag.

Tag and trade seems inevitable. I'd really like to see us get some more fire power for this draft. I want Simmons but after his combine showing I think we'd have to move up to get him.

[JaxRed]

We may lose some firepower in the draft. Word on street us that Jags are trying to move Nick Foles and will have to sweeten the pot with a draft pick.

[Rojo Rijo]

We may lose some firepower in the draft. Word on street us that Jags are trying to move Nick Foles and will have to sweeten the pot with a draft pick.

In 2017 Houston pulled off this kind of deal sending Brock Osweiler to Cleveland along with a 2017 6th rd pick and a 2018 2nd rd pick in exchange for a 2017 4th rd pick. Cleveland released him before the season started and ate 19 million. Foles cap hit for 2020 is 22 million. I'm not sure what kind of market there is for Foles or if a team with cap room may step up and do this kind of deal in a round about way of buying draft picks.

[JaxRed]

I'm not in favor of losing draft capital to lose Foles. If he have to lose draft picks, I'd rather see him ride the pine, absorb the salary and cut him after the season.

But in other news: Jags have traded AJ Bouye to Denver for a 4th round pick. We were rumored to be cutting him so that's not a bad deal.

[Rojo Rijo]

I'm not in favor of losing draft capital to lose Foles. If he have to lose draft picks, I'd rather see him ride the pine, absorb the salary and cut him after the season.

But in other news: Jags have traded AJ Bouye to Denver for a 4th round pick. We were rumored to be cutting him so that's not a bad deal.

Good start. I was just discussing this with a close friend (Titans fan) yesterday and explaining to him that the organization is not as in shambles as it appears to be. They removed Coughlin and now just need to move a handful of contracts. Dareus and Bouye are gone. I believe Lee will be released (8.75 roster v. 3.5 dead) and I'd love to see us get out from some other deals like Norwell and Foles but I realize the probability of that is low. There is a lot of young talent to build around (Jack, Allen, Chark, Minshew, Jawaan etc.).

[Kingspoint]

Getting a 4th is great. Not sure what Elway was thinking on this one.

[North]

I'm not in favor of losing draft capital to lose Foles. If he have to lose draft picks, I'd rather see him ride the pine, absorb the salary and cut him after the season.

But in other news: Jags have traded AJ Bouye to Denver for a 4th round pick. We were rumored to be cutting him so that's not a bad deal.

Agree about Foles. He's a sunk cost.

[Rojo Rijo]

Interesting bit on Foles, kind of goes against what most have been thinking.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/2020/03/jaguars-not-actively-shopping-nick-foles-receiving-interest

This could be maneuvering on the Jags part but Garafolo stated that multiple teams have reached out to Jax about Foles and that the Jags would need compensation to move on from Foles. The QB market is more interesting this offseason than its ever been.

New England - If TB12 is gone, Foles would be a great fit
Buffalo - No. Josh Allen
New York - No. Sam Darnold
Miami - Possible. Not sure how they feel about Rosen but they are being mocked as taking a QB, Tua or Herbert in most mocks. If they are planning on taking a QB I don't see a fit but if they opt for a different direction it's possible. Still I doubt it.

Pittsburgh - No. Ben is returning and Mason will backup
Baltimore - No. Action Jackson
Cincinnati - Highly Doubtful. 99.999999% they take Joe and he'll get the keys on day 1
Cleveland - No. Baker is still their future

Tennessee - No. Well.....No. This one would be out of left field but I don't see us making this kind of deal with our biggest rival but technically they are going to be in the market so maybe.
Indianapolis - Possible but doubtful. The Colts are well known to be in the FA QB sweepstakes but most have them pegged for P-Riv. Still Foles could fit well here, the team is built to contend.
Houston - No. Deshaun.

Kansas City - No. Patty
Las Vegas - Maybe. I doubt they'd toss Carr just to have Foles but I guess it's a possibility. I still think they'd shoot their shot with TB12, Rivers, and maybe even Famous Jameis (with the belief Gruden can take him to the next level) before settling on a Foles type.
Los Angeles - Possible. Rivers is out. Most mocks have them taking Herbert and they'll certainly be involved in FA with QBs but if they don't have a real shot with TB12 then it's Jameis or the draft and they don't have a QB right now
Denver - No. If Elway can get TB12 he'll do it but otherwise they're moving forward with Lock.

Dallas - Hmmmm. No. I don't see Dallas not inking Dak him to a deal. They'd be stupid not to get it done asap but when you involve big egos you never know.
Washington - Possible but doubtful. One would think Haskins will get the shot but Riverboat didn't pick him and the Skins/Rivera have already stated they'll bring in Joe and Tua for pre-draft meetings. I still don't see them looking for a veteran QB as their team isn't ready to compete.
New York- No. DJ.
Philadelphia - No. Well they do love him but no. Wentz. They aren't going to pay a backup QB that kind of money, even though Wentz is injury prone and was mildly successful at best last season.

Chicago - Possible. Speculation is that they've decided Mitch isn't the guy. I think this team is going to be involved with a lot of FA QBs. They're built to win and one could argue Trubisky held them back last season. Foles isn't as flashy but he's won a SB and that's something not looked at lightly across the league. Only six other guys still taking snaps can put that on their resume.
Green Bay - No. Rodgers.
Minnesota - No. Kirk.
Detroit - No. Stafford. Not buying the faint rumors of a divorce here.

New Orleans - No. Brees.
Carolina - Hmmmm. Still no hard vote of confidence from Tepper or Rhule on Cam. I think he's there but the leash is going to be short. So IMO that keeps them out of the QB market this offseason but if Cam/Carolina struggles I think this will be his last. So as far as Foles goes it's a no.
Tampa Bay - Possible. Jameis is gone. They'll throw themselves at TB12 and he'd be wise to listen, that group of Godwin/Evans/OJ would be the most talented group of targets he's ever had. If they strike out on TB12 and Rivers it's possible but I'm expecting they'll land one of the big fish, likely Rivers.
Atlanta - No. Ryan is still their guy.

Seattle - No. Russ.
San Francisco - No. I know there have been rumors of TB12 but No. This team was so good last year. No need to shake things up with such a solid defense and run game.
Los Angeles - No. Goff is still their guy and is being well compensated. (That's what just getting to a SB does for you).
Arizona - No. Murray.

So in my opinion the following teams could end up in scenarios where Foles could come into play - Patriots, Dolphins, Titans, Colts, Chargers, Raiders, Redskins, Bears, and Buccaneers. Now I am not saying what the chances/%/likeliness is for any of those teams because there are too many variables with potential moving parts. These are just the ones I see right now who could potentially have a path that would lead to Foles.

[JaxRed]

A couple of more moves for the Jags:

Jags did indeed put the non-exclusive franchise tag on Yannick Ngagkoue. Meaning he can negotiate and sign with another team. The Jaguars would have the right to match the offer; if the Jaguars did not match the offer in that scenario, they would receive two first-round draft selections from the team that signed Ngakoue

It ties up 18 million in cap space for Jags until the situation is resolved. It would probably best best if he did sign and they got the picks. But in reality, what will probably happen is that Yan's team will see what teams will pay both in salary and draft picks. And then negotiate with Jags. There is some chance Jags better the offer a bit, and he stays.

But my guess is he gets traded. For at least a second. Hopefully a first.

The second piece of news? As soon as the new CBA was approved, Jags traded Calais Campbell to the Ravens for a low 5th round pick.He was due 18 million, and was 33. Only a 2.5 million cap hit. Probably asmrt move but Jags now have a ton of holes on defensive side of the ball.

[Rojo Rijo]

Feels like a low return for CC but I understand the main point is $. Still I would have rather seen us acquire a higher pick in a future draft.

Either way it's not hard to see where next season is headed. It may land us in a position to draft Lawrence or Fields so it could all work out very well.

Just waiting to see what they get for Yannick now.....

[JaxRed]

There is talk that Bears are talking to Jags and Bengals for Foles and Dalton. Foles would be cheaper by a couple million and be a 3 year solution at QB whereas Dalton is a FA after 2021. Seems like Foles is a better option if price is about equal.

If Jags could get a second, that would be phenomenal.

[Rojo Rijo]

Jags agree to terms with LB Justin Schobert - 5 years for 53.75 million. 22.5 is guaranteed. This move should allow Myles Jack to move back outside and address a big need.

[Assembly Hall]

There is talk that Bears are talking to Jags and Bengals for Foles and Dalton. Foles would be cheaper by a couple million and be a 3 year solution at QB whereas Dalton is a FA after 2021. Seems like Foles is a better option if price is about equal.

If Jags could get a second, that would be phenomenal.

Up here close to Chicago it appears the Bears might go for Cam?

[Kingspoint]

They get a 4th from the Bears.

[JaxRed]

Jags take a 15.5 dead cap hit, but he was scheduled to be a 18.5 mill hit, so we saved 3 mill and get a late 4th and he is off the books for future years.

[JaxRed]

There is talk that Bears are talking to Jags and Bengals for Foles and Dalton. Foles would be cheaper by a couple million and be a 3 year solution at QB whereas Dalton is a FA after 2021. Seems like Foles is a better option if price is about equal.

If Jags could get a second, that would be phenomenal.

LIke I said, Foles made much more sense. A late 4th is ok. I think two many QB's were on the market.

[North]

Andy Dalton and JAX?

Jaguars remain interested in Andy Dalton

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/jaguars-remain-interested-in-andy-dalton/ar-BB12NK7a

[JaxRed]

Jags are foolish if they trade for him. There's no hurry. Wait them out.

[adkindo]

Jags are foolish if they trade for him. There's no hurry. Wait them out.

then they will definitely trade for him..... ;)

[KoryMac5]

Jags are foolish if they trade for him. There's no hurry. Wait them out.

You obviously have never met Mike Brown...

[North]

You obviously have never met Mike Brown...

Value! :D

[adkindo]

Jags talking about moving Fournette.......Bengals want to move Dalton....Jags may want Dalton.

[JaxRed]

Jags probably do want Dalton but not as a trade. So I'd be surprised if a Dalton/Fournette trade went down. Jags GM Caldwell has been doing a masterful job of roster/cap management trying to fix the mess that Tom Coughlin created.

Starting with 2 #1's for Ramsey. And getting rid of Foles and his contract. We've gone from a team with zero cap room to a team with with 15 million left (which places them 14th in league). If they trade Fournette for a pick (I'd expect a 4th), then they would save 4 million and be 11th. And the worst kept secret in town is that they'll probably cut Marquis Lee after the draft and we'd have the 8th most room.

For 2021 we again will have 2 #1s, and we have the 4th most cap room (with Lee gone it would be 3rd), and they'll probably cut the #1 guy (Andrew Norwell) after 2020 which would still leave them 3rd but by a wider margin.

[adkindo]

Jags probably do want Dalton but not as a trade. So I'd be surprised if a Dalton/Fournette trade went down. Jags GM Caldwell has been doing a masterful job of roster/cap management trying to fix the mess that Tom Coughlin created.

Starting with 2 #1's for Ramsey. And getting rid of Foles and his contract. We've gone from a team with zero cap room to a team with with 15 million left (which places them 14th in league). If they trade Fournette for a pick (I'd expect a 4th), then they would save 4 million and be 11th. And the worst kept secret in town is that they'll probably cut Marquis Lee after the draft and we'd have the 8th most room.

For 2021 we again will have 2 #1s, and we have the 4th most cap room (with Lee gone it would be 3rd), and they'll probably cut the #1 guy (Andrew Norwell) after 2020 which would still leave them 3rd but by a wider margin.

If I was TB, I might consider a 4th for Fournette. 2 more years with the 5 year option? If you are going all in for Brady's tenure, then Fournette would be helpful if he had a similar season to last year. He was not a great fantasy player because he did not get in the endzone often, but he was really productive running the ball and became this major threat catching the ball out of the backfield.

[Rojo Rijo]

If Fournette ends up on a team with a good OL and an above average passing game he'll be a 1,200/300 back (if healthy for the year). Honestly in the right system with the right supporting cast he could easily lead the league in rushing. He's just not going to be able to do it himself. He's powerful and does everything well but he is not very evasive once he gets into the 2nd/3rd level. At LSU this didn't matter because he was going to get by the LBs and would turn DBs into dust if they stepped in his way. He's a very good back but he just doesn't have an elite ability to avoid defenders once he gets past the line. That's why he got bottled up badly in more than a few games last season. He'd have a horrible line, like a 14 carries for 33 yards and would then break a 60+ yard run to make his overall day look good i.e. 15 for 93.

I think he's worth a mid-late 3rd but I think they'll get a 4th.

[Rojo Rijo]

My bigger concern is Yannick. I really hope we can secure a package, like maybe a late 1st and then a 3rd in 2021. I believe they will keep him if they don't get the right offer but I know their preference is to make a deal. He's done too much talking to make things right and being a part of another losing season will only worsen things. He wants out and we're rebuilding.

Dream scenario would be Yannick, #20, and #73 to the Giants for #4 & #36

[adkindo]

per ESPN....


The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are not expected to make a trade for Jacksonville Jaguars running back Leonard Fournette, a source told ESPN's Josina Anderson.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the Jaguars have had trade talks with other teams about Fournette, who gained 1,674 yards from scrimmage last season and is scheduled to make just $4.16 million in base salary this year.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yannick and Tony Kahn trading jabs on Twitter today. A bad look for all parties involved. Jags leverage getting hurt and Yannick making a bad name for himself. Even if other owners/GMs understand that his situation is a bad one there is no way he isn’t putting up red flags doing this kind of stuff.

[JaxRed]

A lot of Jags happenings......

Fournette - 50% of the Jags getting rid of Fournette is the Jags desire to clean up the culture. Fournette has been less than a model citizen the entire time. Just today Mark Long who covers Jags for AP says Fournette was still doing things like sleeping in team meetings etc. and was moody. Some days he was up and some days he was sullen. I think Fournette is gone no later than Monday. So either before, during or after the draft. Jags may not get very much for him. I'd easily take a 3rd in 2021. I suspect the most we can expect is a 4th in 2020.

Marquis Lee - Ian Rappaport says Jags are releasing WR Marquis Lee. His contract was too high and he could never stay healthy. He'll free up 5.5 million this year and takes 10.75 million off 2021's books.

Yannick Ngaokwe - Yannick went nuclear on Twitter today. He's really heading down a bad road. Again, two different sources said no offers have come in for Yannick. Let alone first rounders. It's a soft market for edge rushers. Clowney is a FA, would cost nothing in compensation and he has no takers at the 15 mill or so he now says he takes. So in a soft market, Yanick goes after the owners son (and the owners son kicked his butt). Now other teams are thinking "is this another Antonio Brown?". He's lowering his trade value.

So his big threat to Jags is that he'll sit out the season. Oh no. What if we have a terrible year and are forced to take Trevor Lawrence? That would be bad !!! He has no leverage.

[adkindo]

Yannick and Tony Kahn trading jabs on Twitter today. A bad look for all parties involved. Jags leverage getting hurt and Yannick making a bad name for himself. Even if other owners/GMs understand that his situation is a bad one there is no way he isn’t putting up red flags doing this kind of stuff.

personally, I thought Khan made him look immature and foolish.

[Rojo Rijo]

personally, I thought Khan made him look immature and foolish.

He did. What I mean by a bad look for all parties involved is the whole thing is hurting him and the Jags.

*I would have probably made one statement and left it at that if I was Kahn. Further engaging Yannick wasn't going to result in anything positive.

[Rojo Rijo]

We're already being referred to as "The Trevor Lawrence Team" around the league according to some sources.

#TankForTrevor

[redsfanmia]

The Jags are smart getting rid of or trying to get rid of the knuckleheads they have. Did Coughlin have no input the last few years or is he just past it?

[Rojo Rijo]

The Jags are smart getting rid of or trying to get rid of the knuckleheads they have. Did Coughlin have no input the last few years or is he just past it?

Coughlin had too much input and that's why he is gone.

[redsfanmia]

Coughlin had too much input and that's why he is gone.

TC always struck me as no nonsense, how did he tolerate players like Fournette and Ramsey?

[adkindo]

TC always struck me as no nonsense, how did he tolerate players like Fournette and Ramsey?

one is gone because of him, and another one is close. Some people suggest the game has passed Coughlin, but I am not sure that is accurate. I think the issue he had with Jags is he could not get the culture vertically in line with his preference....people above and below him not on the same page in regards to culture. Once players see that...you get a good cop, bad cop thing and the bad cop is painted as the problem.

[Rojo Rijo]

one is gone because of him, and another one is close. Some people suggest the game has passed Coughlin, but I am not sure that is accurate. I think the issue he had with Jags is he could not get the culture vertically in line with his preference....people above and below him not on the same page in regards to culture. Once players see that...you get a good cop, bad cop thing and the bad cop is painted as the problem.

Coughlin was on a different page than the entire league. When the team accounts for more than 25% of the complaints filed to the NFLPA something is wrong. When the NFLPA sends a message to the league cautioning players who may consider signing with the Jaguars something is wrong. Coughlin was the problem and that’s why he is gone.

[Rojo Rijo]

TC always struck me as no nonsense, how did he tolerate players like Fournette and Ramsey?

He didn’t but winning cures all. Once the team face planted, which a big part of I account to Coughlin for his vote of confidence in Bortles, things went south quickly.

[Rojo Rijo]

"Buzz has surfaced about the Giants having a trade partner. While it is not certain the Jaguars are that team, Jason La Canfora of CBS Sports tweets several GMs have pointed to the Giants moving down from No. 4 and the Jags climbing up from No. 8. The Giants are believed to be serious about wanting to move down. Although the Jaguars are believed to be planning to give Gardner Minshew a legitimate opportunity, JLC speculates a move up would be for a quarterback."

Via Profootballrumors.com (they obviously have the pick wrong, it's #9, not #8).

I would be disappointed to see us move up for a QB. If they really want to give Minshew a shot this would not be a very supportive move. On top of that the team just isn't likely to win a lot of games. I'm not sure what the over/under is but I'd guess around 5.5 and I'm taking the under. If we move up it needs to be for a) Simmons, b) Brown, or c) the best one of the tackles on the board.

[Rojo Rijo]

Sources saying Yannick is about to be dealt to Las Vegas. Raiders are offering #19 but Jags are asking for #12.

Result? I see us getting #19 + a later pick this year or next if they made this deal.

This is coming from Charlie Campbell of WalterFootball.com so who knows what/who his league sources may be.

[JaxRed]

Those Raiders rumors still swirling. Meanwhile Adam Schefter reports that Jags called Detroit at 4Pm. Presumably to ask about Okudah. That scares me. I don't want to give up a lot of draft capital to go get him. If they stick at 9 like I hope, I think they are hoping for Okuhda (little chance) or Derrick Brown (50% chance).

If Brown is there I think they take him. GM Caldwell said there are 4 guys that they would take without even considering another player or trade. I assume that is Burrow, Young, Okudah and Brown. I also wonder if they want Simmons if he falls to them (50%).

I would kind of love it if they traded down and picked up another 2nd. Atlanta could be a dance partner.

And in the back of my head..........what if Tua falls to them?

[Rojo Rijo]

Solid day 1. While I was really hoping for Simmons we addressed the biggest need first with CJ. He's going to have to get better attacking and tackling backs but his cover skills are very good. At #20 I was looking at Murray, Queen, Diggs, or Chaisson and they went Chaisson who I think is the eventual Yannick replacement. So far I am happy with the direction. Rebuild the defense.

We have the 10th pick today, a lot of good players left.

[adkindo]

Solid day 1. While I was really hoping for Simmons we addressed the biggest need first with CJ. He's going to have to get better attacking and tackling backs but his cover skills are very good. At #20 I was looking at Murray, Queen, Diggs, or Chaisson and they went Chaisson who I think is the eventual Yannick replacement. So far I am happy with the direction. Rebuild the defense.

We have the 10th pick today, a lot of good players left.

I really like Henderson....will not be surprised if he is the best CB from this draft. I am part of the minority that is not as confident about Chaisson.

[JaxRed]

Even if you're not a Jags fan, Mike Silver has a fascinating article today about what went down with the Jags. Not only last night (who they talked trades with, what their strategy was, etc.) But also filled details about what went down with Ramsey/Khan/Couglin/Caldwell)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001110981/article/henderson-chaisson-spearhead-jaguars-youth-movement

One Twitter comment said it was the best NFL insider article he'd ever read.

The main point being that Chaisson was their fallback position at #8 and they still got him at #20. And their fallback guy at #20 is till available and they are targeting that guy tonight.

[JaxRed]

Jags filled 2 squares with picks 3-4. Their Round 2 guy was WR Chennault out of Colorado. Supposedly he was Jags #1 WR before 2019. Was he the guy they targeted at the end of Round 2? No one has said. And then they took a run stuffer in Rnd 4 from Ohio State, since they missed out on Brown in Round 1.

So a workman like job of filling holes. No trades/fireworks. We have a fair amount of picks today. 3 in Round 4. I'm usually of the opinion that you can only really expect starters from the first 3 rounds. Would like to be presently surprised. Supposedly a deep draft.

[Assembly Hall]

Eason to the Jags?

[JaxRed]

Eason to the Jags?

Jags are set to let Minshew prove he can be the man in 2020. They picked up a late rounder. So Minshew, a late rounder, and Josh Dobbs. To me the one thing that makes sense is Dalton after he's released. Let him know he's the backup but sign him to incentive laden deal in case he becomes the starter because of ineffectiveness or injury.

[adkindo]

I liked the Jags draft for the most part. My favorite pick based on potential value is Collin Johnson (WR Texas) late in the 5th. He had a rough Senior season plagued by injuries, but he had some monster games as a Junior. The guy is 6'6" and has good hands. If he can stay healthy and put it together....he could be a weapon.

[adkindo]

Marone protected by DUUuuval's finest during the draft.

https://www.espn.com/blog/jacksonville-jaguars/post/_/id/28156/neighbors-rattled-by-police-at-doug-marrones-home-for-2020-nfl-draft

[adkindo]

Jags do not pick up Fournette's 5th year option....I doubt he will be playing in Jacksonville this season.

[JaxRed]

There's a guy on Twitter named EDilla who knows a bunch of insider stuff. He was interviewed by local radio yesterday and he said Jags tried to trade up in 1st round to take RB Jonathan Taylor but the price was too high. Indy took him in the 2nd, one pick before Jags. Sounds like Indy might have figured out Jags interest and jumped ahead of them.

[Betterread]

Jags do not pick up Fournette's 5th year option....I doubt he will be playing in Jacksonville this season.

This is a strange move. Jax are talent poor and Fournette is very talented. Another embarrassing impasse of a bad organization with a good player? Or are the talents that the team acquires and alienates (Ramsey, Ngakoue, now Fournette) talented but mentally weak?
Time will tell. Jax got great talent in the 2020 draft in Chaisson, Henderson and shenault, but can they develop that talent?
I bet on the CB.

[adkindo]

This is a strange move. Jax are talent poor and Fournette is very talented. Another embarrassing impasse of a bad organization with a good player? Or are the talents that the team acquires and alienates (Ramsey, Ngakoue, now Fournette) talented but mentally weak?
Time will tell. Jax got great talent in the 2020 draft in Chaisson, Henderson and shenault, but can they develop that talent?
I bet on the CB.

He is talented in a position that more and more of the league thinks is a warm body position (I disagree). It seems like every thing I hear about the guy off the field is negative....not sure it true or just the narrative. I will say if you look beyond his counting stats last season, his performance was not as impressive as I originally thought. He racked up a lot of yards without doing much damage (scoring, critical 1st downs, etc.) and he was the worst starting RB in the NFL at actually causing defenders to miss for additional yards.

[ScotlandRed]

This is a strange move. Jax are talent poor and Fournette is very talented. Another embarrassing impasse of a bad organization with a good player? Or are the talents that the team acquires and alienates (Ramsey, Ngakoue, now Fournette) talented but mentally weak?
Time will tell. Jax got great talent in the 2020 draft in Chaisson, Henderson and shenault, but can they develop that talent?
I bet on the CB.

I’m not convinced by Chaisson. He doesn’t seem like a big guy and I saw footage of him (I think vs Andrew Thomas) getting totally shut down.

[adkindo]

I’m not convinced by Chaisson. He doesn’t seem like a big guy and I saw footage of him (I think vs Andrew Thomas) getting totally shut down.

I have seen several comps of him....smaller guys that played his position and had big success in college that struggled in the NFL. I am guessing it will require to DC to properly scheme and position him to have success to ensure he does not get swallowed up in the trenches.

[JaxRed]

This is a strange move. Jax are talent poor and Fournette is very talented. Another embarrassing impasse of a bad organization with a good player? Or are the talents that the team acquires and alienates (Ramsey, Ngakoue, now Fournette) talented but mentally weak?
Time will tell. Jax got great talent in the 2020 draft in Chaisson, Henderson and shenault, but can they develop that talent?
I bet on the CB.

Jags are clearing the decks of guys with attitude issues. Fournette has been that since the beginning. Missing practices, sleeping in meetings, coming off the bench to start fights. Fournette was a Coughlin pick. He no longer fits with what they want. He won't be back in 2021, and I'll be very surprised if he finishes 2020 with Jags.

[JaxRed]

I’m not convinced by Chaisson. He doesn’t seem like a big guy and I saw footage of him (I think vs Andrew Thomas) getting totally shut down.

Chaisson played part-time as a true freshman. He tore his ACL the first game of his sophomore season and got a medical redshirt. He started every game as a red-shirt sophomore. Observers I've listened to say his game picked up as he gained experience and time since the ACL lengthened. He did record a sack against Georgia. Don't know if it was against Thomas. He was defensive MVP in the playoff win over Oklahoma. He declared as a draft eligible sophomore.

So he's still very raw, having played only 2 years, and won't turn 21 for 3 more months. I'm pretty stoked about having Chaisson on Jags.

[ScotlandRed]

Chaisson played part-time as a true freshman. He tore his ACL the first game of his sophomore season and got a medical redshirt. He started every game as a red-shirt sophomore. Observers I've listened to say his game picked up as he gained experience and time since the ACL lengthened. He did record a sack against Georgia. Don't know if it was against Thomas. He was defensive MVP in the playoff win over Oklahoma. He declared as a draft eligible sophomore.

So he's still very raw, having played only 2 years, and won't turn 21 for 3 more months. I'm pretty stoked about having Chaisson on Jags.

That was on the other side against Isaiah Wilson (I assume). 0 pressures vs Thomas. I don’t want to write him off as what you’ve said indicates he could still have a lot of improvement in him.

[kaldaniels]

All international games this year have been moved back to the US.

[RichRed]

Here's an interesting article for you Jags fans about Jimmy Smith, making the case that he was one of the best WRs in NFL history.

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-best-damn-receiver-who-wont-make-the-hall-of-fame/

[JaxRed]

Catching up on the Jags. I do have a lot of sense that Fournette is cleaning up his act as far as attitude. I'd still say he's gone next year (although we don't have great options) but he very well might stay for the season.

In last few days Yannick Ngakgue fired his agent. He has a 5 day wait before he can hire a new one. In the meantime he's been talking to GM Caldwell. My personal take after hearing Caldwell on radio is that the resolution is looking more like a trade then him coming back with club.

Which I'm ok with. If they get good enough compensation and save the 17 million in salary. I'd take a 2022 #1. That would mean 3 years of two #1s.

There's certainly a sense among the Jags staff that they are better than the NFL observers think (many who show them as worst team). They seem to think this will be a bounce-back year for LT Cam Robinson who is now 2 years removed from ACL surgery.

We did get hit with one major opt-out on the DL which will mean we'll have to rely more on 3rd round pick Hamilton out of Ohio State.

Jags seem really excited by 2nd rounder Laviska Shennault (who the Jags took when they missed on RB David Johnson).

[JaxRed]

Jacksonville we have a problem. Last year when Marcell Darius got injured and missed the rest of the season, the Jags run defense became a joke. They had 5 or 6 games in a row where they gave up 200 yards rushing.

The answer was to sign 2 free agents. Al Woods and Rodney Gunter. Well Al Woods opted out and Rodney Gunter just retired from a heart condition he discovered 3 weeks ago. We also put 2 DL on the IR.

Jags are scrambling to find replacements. Word is we have signed Timmy Jernigan although nothing has been announced.

[JaxRed]

Blue dot Michael Lombardi says Jags are extremely close to trading Yannick for a #2. Hopefully a player also

[Rojo Rijo]

Blue dot Michael Lombardi says Jags are extremely close to trading Yannick for a #2. Hopefully a player also

Fingers crossed!


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[JaxRed]

Well turns out Lombardi was clueless. In on the field action, reporters covering Jags are saying good things about how the OL (especially Cam Robinson) are looking. They were a shaky area last year but the GM and Coach were saying they were mch improved. Maybe they are !!!

Also the wide receivers are looking real good and especially 5th rounder Colin Johnson who looks like he will be a red zone target at 6'6". He's been making spectacular grabs (inclding one handed grabs)

[Rojo Rijo]

Yannick goes to Minnesota for a 2021 second round pick and a 2022 conditional fifth that become a fourth if Yannick is a pro bowler this season and becomes a third of he is a pro bowler and Minnesota wins the Super Bowl.

Less than I’d hoped for but glad it’s done. Now we have two 1sts and two 2nds in 2021.

[JaxRed]

Not only do we have two #1s and two #2's but we now have another 17 million in cap space for 2020. We now are #3 in 2020 cap space, and #2 in 2021 cap space.

[Rojo Rijo]

Leonard Fournette waived. More cap space

[JaxRed]

Catching up on the Jags. I do have a lot of sense that Fournette is cleaning up his act as far as attitude. I'd still say he's gone next year (although we don't have great options) but he very well might stay for the season.

Nope, He gone. One anonymous source said Doug Marrone really wanted to clean up the locker room. I assume someone picks him up quickly.

[adkindo]

Nope, He gone. One anonymous source said Doug Marrone really wanted to clean up the locker room. I assume someone picks him up quickly.

I wish the Bucs had room for him....but I doubt they have interest after adding McCoy to the RB room...

[adkindo]

Field Yates
@FieldYates

From 2012-2017, the Jaguars made SIX straight picks in the top 5: WR Justin Blackmon, OT Luke Joeckel, QB Blake Bortles, DE Dante Fowler, Jr., CB Jalen Ramsey and then RB Leonard Fournette.

None of them last more than 5 seasons with the team. Major whiffs.

8:34 AM · Aug 31, 2020

[Rojo Rijo]

My personal feelings on each

Blackmon - Loved the pick. This one still hurts. People don't realize how talented he was and his build was ridiculous. Won the Biletnikoff as Sophomore and Junior at Ok State. He's right there with Josh Gordon for me, super talented wideout who couldn't get out of his own way. The difference in the two is Blackmon didn't care. He made a few million and disappeared back to Ardmore Oklahoma. From 2014 - 2016 I held a small bit of hope that the game would call him back but it just wasn't to be.

Luke - One of Johnny Footballs protectors (along with Jake Matthews) at A&M. Didn't love the pick but didn't hate it either. I really don't like drafting lineman in the top of the first, way too hit or miss. The drafts of the last 10 years are littered with failed OL who came out as big time prospects. Joeckel was definitely one of the failed ones. We even tried to move him to guard and he still rated very low. What hurts is Lane Johnson was taken two picks later and has been one of footballs best OL.

Bortles - BARF. I was 100% against taking him all through the process. I am also extremely anti the whole "tall guy, big arm" QB fad that has always seemed to dominate drafts. It can definitely work out but when it's accompanied by "has some accuracy issues" that's a red flag. Blake could move well and scoot if need be and I think that's what pushed him to be the pick. I think I wanted Sammy W (which would've probably not been great either) but we were linked to Khalil Mack a bit so in hindsight that would've been a much better outcome. Of course this was made even worse when Coughlin decided to buy into him after the 2017 AFC title game season. That mistake crippled the franchise and put us right back at the bottom.

Fowler - As a Gator I was loving this and even after tearing his ACL leading up to the season the Jags didn't try and low ball him on his rookie deal. I had a ton of hope for another Gator/Jag (even after being burned bad by Derrick Harvey in '08) but he didn't ascend to ever being really great and Yannick outshined him really quickly once he got to Jax. On one hand Coughlin did him dirty by fining him for not rehabbing in Jacksonville but on the other hand Fowler had some concerning OTF issues, punching the guy in his face and throwing his groceries in the lake and the incident where he administered the fight between two females. In hindsight I still agree with the pick, Fowler was a beast for Florida, and the only other pick I might've preferred would have been Amari but that would've likely gone way south quick.

Ramsey - Whew. Bout wrecked my car when I heard Dallas to Zeke I was so happy. Ramsey was and still is a generational talent. His problem is his ego, at many times more concerned with himself than the team and always focusing on one-on-one battles. Still ranks as one of the best picks in Jags history. No way you can call this one a whiff, that's a terrible way to describe a great player who eventually forced his way out. Plus we got quite the haul for him.

Fournette - Loved it then, hate it now. He fit what we needed and what Tom C wanted to do - power run game. Now you look and see CMC, D-Wats, and Mahomes were all available and you can't help but come to the conclusion that this pick was a MASSIVE mistake. It's really hard to justify not taking Watson when QB was clearly a massive issue. I can't lie though, I was very excited at the time. I just wasn't aware of Fournettes open field issues. At LSU he just bulldozed DBs and could outrun LBs. In the NFL he didn't have those luxuries and he was exposed as a physically gifted back who struggled to find seams and had absolutely no wiggle ability in the open field. I won't go as far to call him Trent Richardson 2.0 but his flaws were similar.

Moving forward I do have some concerns with CJH (another Gator/Jag) because of his tackling ability. He will be phenomenal in coverage but tackling could be a big problem for his first few years. Reminds me too much of a better cover version of Jalen (Teez) Tabor.

[Rojo Rijo]

The remains of the 2017 AFC title game roster....

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200831/2be42298c607c082763c51a1d374d21a.jpg

[JaxRed]

Fournette was waived on Tom Coughlin's birthday. Accidental?

[JaxRed]

Another one bites the dust. Safety Ronnie Harrison traded to Browns for a 5th. People are saying Jags will have 14 rookies on the squad. Hearing some talk they may trade a wide receiver, because they have a lot of talent there. Maybe DeDe Westbrook

[KronoRed]

Tanking for Lawrence?

[JaxRed]

Tanking for Lawrence?

That would be Tanking for Trevor, or Losing for Lawrence.

It will be interesting to see if they are the train wreck everyone expects. I suspect not. But we'll see (soon).

There's talk out there about trying to convince Dabo to coach Trevor at Jax next year. That would be wild.

[adkindo]

That would be Tanking for Trevor, or Losing for Lawrence.

It will be interesting to see if they are the train wreck everyone expects. I suspect not. But we'll see (soon).

There's talk out there about trying to convince Dabo to coach Trevor at Jax next year. That would be wild.

I would speculate there is about a 100% chance Dabo would not consider that move in normal times....but one thing that could change his mind is the implementation of the NIL regulations about to be introduced into college football. Dabo has always been adamant about college athletes not being compensated financially (unless he has had a change of heart that I am not aware of...), and has even claimed he would leave college football if it ever happened. Maybe he does not view players earning off of NIL the same as direct compensation, but I do think it will bring all of the negative aspects to a major program like Clemson that he opposed. Outside of that, I think he only leaves for one job.....'Bama.

[JaxRed]

Well 'final' cuts came down. Two notable items. It was a good year to get drafted/signed by Jags. The Jags had 12 !! draft picks this year. They all made the squad. And 4 undrafted rookies did. 16 first year players.

Secondly we released Mike Glennon. Our 6th rounder from Oregon State has been impressing everyone all summer. He's now the #2. I assume they'll pick up a practice squad guy. Maybe Josh Dobbs who also got waived today.

Jags did not trade a WR. They cut one (Goodwin) they really liked.

[JaxRed]

Interestingly Dobbs got claimed by Pittsburgh. We traded for him from Pittsburgh for a 5th last year. Never took a snap. Rosen went unclaimed. He'll have his choice of teams for a practice squad (or better) gig. I suspect Jags are really happy Godwin cleared.

[JaxRed]

Glennon signed to the practice squad. No Godwin yet

[JaxRed]

Godwin eventually was named to the PS. Boy the Jags coaches are sure talking a good game. They act like they think thy are going to win some games.

[Kingspoint]

Godwin eventually was named to the PS. Boy the Jags coaches are sure talking a good game. They act like they think thy are going to win some games.

They've convinced everyone that undrafted rookie James Robinson is going to rush the ball 25 times for 100 yards and two touchdowns while Chris Thompson will catch 10 passes for 100 yards.

[JaxRed]

Well the Jags coaches were right. Upset the heavily favored Colts. Minshew, who has been told he's just holding the chair for Trevor Lawrence was 19 of 20 with one drop for a 142.3 rating. 3 TD's and 0 picks.

[adkindo]

Well the Jags coaches were right. Upset the heavily favored Colts. Minshew, who has been told he's just holding the chair for Trevor Lawrence was 19 of 20 with one drop for a 142.3 rating. 3 TD's and 0 picks.

Baker may be holding that chair from what I saw today...

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld...

Minshew only dropped back to pass the ball 28 times against the Colts but added confusion to the Defense with his legs (five carries) and averaged 8.6 yards per pass attempt in his regular season debut engineering OC Jay Gruden’s offense. The new scheme allowed Mustache Mania the league’s third-fastest time to throw (2.34 seconds), settling the ball in his receivers’ hands rather than forcing plays on an island on his own. The one-read play-calling alone cancels out Jadeveon Clowney and the Titans’ formidable pass rush.

[JaxRed]

Jags play Titans in Tennessee today Trust me that has been an ugly place for us. Last win there was 2013, and we play there every year. I'm going to drink the Kool Aid a bit and say we win 27-20. That means our defense has to play better this week. We can't rely on interceptions again. Jags are HEAVY underdogs.

Jags have a nice stretch of winnable games coming up after this one. If they continue to surprise like they did week 1

[Kingspoint]

James Robinson looked better in Game 2 than Game 1. Minshew looked decent in both games.

Playing both Parker and Williams in my Fantasy league this week, so I'm hoping they combine for 250 and three scores against Jacksonville's below-average Secondary. Realistically, I think they get 220 yards and 2 scores with Gisecki adding 90 yards and a score.

[JaxRed]

Well we didn't win. Despite trailing most of the game, we had chances to win and came up just short. Two REALLY bad calls by officials cost us. One was a phantom pass interference on 3rd down that gave a 1st down to Titans and led to winning field goal. Second was a non-offside call on Clowney on Jags final offensive play. The ball was on a yard line, so it was completely obvious he was lined up offsides. Here's a shot....

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2020/9/21/21448864/jadeveon-clowney-was-clearly-offsides-on-gardner-minshew-interception-at-the-end-of-the-game

On the other hand, I think there's a general sense that we're ok with the loss. Because of the big picture.

And the big picture, is that this franchise all of a sudden looks to be in fantastic position. Minshew is the real deal. He may never be the best QB in the league, but it appears he's going to be pretty darn good.

Taking stock - We have our franchise QB. We have our franchise running back in an undrafted rookie. We have a really good WR's in Chark, 2nd rounder Chenault, 6th rounder Johnson, and Keelan Cole. The offensive line now seems solid across the board. We now have 2 solid DE's in Josh Allen and Chaisson. CJ Henderson looks great at corner replacing Ramsey. The FA acquisition of Joe Schobert has moved Miles Jack to OL where he is thriving. Jags need a little more presence on the DL, and to shore up their defensive backfield a bit.

But we are incredibly young, almost everyone has at least 2 more years on current contracts, we have the most cap room of any team in the league, and an extra 1st rounder and extra 2nd rounder in 2021 draft.

[Kingspoint]

Well we didn't win. Despite trailing most of the game, we had chances to win and came up just short. Two REALLY bad calls by officials cost us. One was a phantom pass interference on 3rd down that gave a 1st down to Titans and led to winning field goal. Second was a non-offside call on Clowney on Jags final offensive play. The ball was on a yard line, so it was completely obvious he was lined up offsides. Here's a shot....

https://www.bigcatcountry.com/2020/9/21/21448864/jadeveon-clowney-was-clearly-offsides-on-gardner-minshew-interception-at-the-end-of-the-game

On the other hand, I think there's a general sense that we're ok with the loss. Because of the big picture.

And the big picture, is that this franchise all of a sudden looks to be in fantastic position. Minshew is the real deal. He may never be the best QB in the league, but it appears he's going to be pretty darn good.

Taking stock - We have our franchise QB. We have our franchise running back in an undrafted rookie. We have a really good WR's in Chark, 2nd rounder Chenault, 6th rounder Johnson, and Keelan Cole. The offensive line now seems solid across the board. We now have 2 solid DE's in Josh Allen and Chaisson. CJ Henderson looks great at corner reaping Ramsey. The FA acquisition of Joe Shhobert has moved Miles Jack to OL where he is thriving. Jags need a little more presence on the DL, and to shore up their defensive backfield a bit.

But we are incredibly young, almost everyone has at least 2 more years on current contracts, we have the most cap room of any team in the league, and extra an 1st rounder and extra 2nd rounder in 2021 draft.

As good as Chark was last season, it's pretty clear that he's going to be 4th in targets on the team this season. It means so much to have a quarterback where you aren't waiting the whole game for him to make boneheaded plays that cost you a game. Minshew made one on Sunday, but it's rare for him to do so. Speaking of, Bortles was signed by the Broncos today.

[Kingspoint]

I will also be starting James Robinson for the 3rd straight week (especially after I just lost McCaffrey for the next 4-6 weeks).

[JaxRed]

Whoa, it just got serious on the injury front. Our center is out for the Dolphins game, but Josh Lambo who just might be the best kicker in the league is out for at least 3 games after going on IR with a hip issue.

[Rojo Rijo]

As good as Chark was last season, it's pretty clear that he's going to be 4th in targets on the team this season. It means so much to have a quarterback where you aren't waiting the whole game for him to make boneheaded plays that cost you a game. Minshew made one on Sunday, but it's rare for him to do so. Speaking of, Bortles was signed by the Broncos today.

He's 4th in targets right now but he's played more snaps and ran more routes than any other receiver on the team. He's also at a 15.6 yard per target and the next highest is Shenault at 9. Chark is getting the quality looks. His numbers will balance out.

[Kingspoint]

He's 4th in targets right now but he's played more snaps and ran more routes than any other receiver on the team. He's also at a 15.6 yard per target and the next highest is Shenault at 9. Chark is getting the quality looks. His numbers will balance out.

Yeah, I know he has. That makes it worse. If he was 4th in snaps and 4th in routes run then there would be grounds for improvement. They are truly having Minshew orchestrate a dink-and-dunk approach and that's hurting Chalk, but even when game script had them behind by multiple scores, the deep ball and Chalk was not being targeted.

It's only two games, and common sense says that Chalk will eventually be #1 in targets, or at least #2, but there is a real possibility that he never rises above #3 this season and is used mostly to stretch the field.

[Rojo Rijo]

Yeah, I know he has. That makes it worse. If he was 4th in snaps and 4th in routes run then there would be grounds for improvement. They are truly having Minshew orchestrate a dink-and-dunk approach and that's hurting Chalk, but even when game script had them behind by multiple scores, the deep ball and Chalk was not being targeted.

It's only two games, and common sense says that Chalk will eventually be #1 in targets, or at least #2, but there is a real possibility that he never rises above #3 this season and is used mostly to stretch the field.

Most of this is due to Grudens west coast offense which involves a lot of quick reads. I believe the more comfortable the offense gets with the new system the more they will open things up and attempt more downfield passes which should benefit DJ more than any other wideout on the team.

[Kingspoint]

Most of this is due to Grudens west coast offense which involves a lot of quick reads. I believe the more comfortable the offense gets with the new system the more they will open things up and attempt more downfield passes which should benefit DJ more than any other wideout on the team.

I've seen it before with Andy Reid and Alex Smith. You had a Coach who prefers run-after-catch that emphasizes high-percentage throws and a QB who absolutely refused to throw it further than 10 yards past the LOS. Minshew is no Alex Smith and is more than willing to throw it deep, but Gruden follows Reid's script and Minshew is executing it well. Usually talent wins out, but that was not the case with Smith and Reid where field stretchers with talent had their careers ruined. Talent will win out here as Minshew will eventually start taking more shots with Chalk.

[Kingspoint]

What we haven't seen yet is Thompson getting 8-10 targets a game. Expecting that to happen very soon. With no preseason games, seemed to want to get Robinson going. Now that this has been established, I think Thompson gets mixed in more this week. Also, with Robinson getting established, this opens up play-action to Chalk. Expect to see more of that this week, too, especially against Miami's CB's.

[Kingspoint]

BY KATE MAGDZIUK

https://www.rotoworld.com/article/football-daily-dose/tnf-preview-mania-vs-magic

IS JAGS RB ROBINSON THE REAL DEAL?

Most of the NFL community was a bit puzzled at the news of the release of Leonard Fournette. We quickly surmised that it was tank time for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Most expected the depth chart to look like a bit of a question mark with Ryquell Armstead sent to IR and newly signed Chris Thompson’s difficulty staying healthy. The team surprised us all when listing UDFA rookie RB James Robinson atop the chart. Robinson is a 5’9” and 219 pound running back out of Illinois State in the FCS whose college production may be surprising to those who don’t know him.

Robinson totaled 4,444 rushing yards in his time at Illinois with 1,899 rushing yards and 18 touchdowns in 2019 alone. He was named first team FSC All-American in 2019 and was named first team All-Missouri Valley Football Conference in each of his three seasons as a starter. Robinson went undrafted in 2020 after posting a 4.64 40-yard dash. His speed was likely a red-flag for teams in the pre-draft process, but it’s worth noting that Robinson excelled above the 50th percentile in other drills, including the bench press, vertical jump, broad jump, 3-cone and shuttle run. In his first two games, Robinson has showcased this explosivity along with excellent vision for finding rushing lanes.

[JaxRed]

Well DJ Chark out tonight also. So the offense (which we are counting on) will be weakened. Jags defense needs to step up a bit, We are 30th against the pass.

[Kingspoint]

Well DJ Chark out tonight also. So the offense (which we are counting on) will be weakened. Jags defense needs to step up a bit, We are 30th against the pass.

And, the main reason the Dolphins struggled some passing the ball the first two games was because they went up against BUF and NEP Defenses. Preston Williams, DeVante Parker and Mike Gilecki should all go over 75 yards tonight with a couple of scores mixed in among them.

[Rojo Rijo]

We look like crap so far

[KronoRed]

Boo on the Dolphins for not wearing enough Teal

[Kingspoint]

We look like crap so far

Too conservative based on the gameflow.

Two drops by Conley.

[adkindo]

Looks like FitzMagic showed up tonight....

https://media3.giphy.com/media/L2Miq9Rbg0zXY7BUFY/giphy.gif

[JaxRed]

Well this game is going to change the narrative in town 100%. We got dismantled. Wasn't as close as the score indicates. Defense was totally inept.

[Kingspoint]

After tonight's poor performances by Conley (and Minshew and Gruden), any game Chark gets into should see him register 10+ targets, while Cole and Shenault should see 6+. Can't see how Conley sees more than 2 going forward.

[Chip R]

I thought that was unfortunate that that lineman for the Jags was ejected. I don't think he realized that was an official who stuck his hand in the pile.

[JaxRed]

I thought that was unfortunate that that lineman for the Jags was ejected. I don't think he realized that was an official who stuck his hand in the pile.

I'm not all that upset. Jags weren't gonna win and now they got a live look at his back up. (I don't think he looked very good)

[Kingspoint]

I'm not all that upset. Jags weren't gonna win and now they got a live look at his back up. (I don't think he looked very good)

I feel about Cam Robinson and the Jags the same as I feel about Bobby Hart and the Bengals.

[JaxRed]

If that's supposed to be a negative about Cam Robinson (I don't know Bobby Hart), the Jags are pretty darn happy with Robinson this year. They feel he was never 100% last year.

I have absolutely no idea what to expect against Bengals today. Bengals are favored. 4 of 6 Jags reporters picked the Bengals. The Jags defense is just so bad right now.

[adkindo]

I was unaware that Lambo was on the IR....just saw some other guy miss a FG and had to look it up.

[JaxRed]

I was unaware that Lambo was on the IR....just saw some other guy miss a FG and had to look it up.

We're on our 4th kicker. Kicker isn't the problem however.....

[JaxRed]

Well, after the Bengals game, it's obvious the wheels have come off the bus. The defense is simply atrocious. And Minshew has gone from looking great to looking like a backup.

There appeared to be a lot of injuries in the Bengals game. We have 2 'easy' games coming up. I fully expect Texans to beat us. We MIGHT beat the Lions. After that, every game looks liek a loss now.

That would be 2-14 and still not be enough to get the #1 pick. Might get us in top 5.

[adkindo]

We're on our 4th kicker. Kicker isn't the problem however.....

no, defense is the problem....but Lambo has been kind of a hidden weapon in Jacksonville in recent years. I am not sure a lot of fans around the league have been aware how solid he has been in Jax. I am a Bucs fans....I know as much as anyone how much it sucks when you cannot count on your kicker.

[Kingspoint]

no, defense is the problem....but Lambo has been kind of a hidden weapon in Jacksonville in recent years. I am not sure a lot of fans around the league have been aware how solid he has been in Jax. I am a Bucs fans....I know as much as anyone how much it sucks when you cannot count on your kicker.

I would say that you wouldn't know as much as Bengals' fans do.

[JaxRed]

Jags play Texans. Even though Texans are 0-4 and fired their head coach, Texans are favored and I expect then to win. Jags defense has been a wreck, and now they are undermanned. I'm expecting 35-21 Texans.

[Kingspoint]

They should try something other than "short pass to Cole (incomplete)".

[JaxRed]

Jags play Texans. Even though Texans are 0-4 and fired their head coach, Texans are favored and I expect then to win. Jags defense has been a wreck, and now they are undermanned. I'm expecting 35-21 Texans.

Well 30-14. About the same. Look the defense wasn't good by any imagination, but considering the total ineptness of the offense and kicking game, they weren't that bad. Minshew continues to look like a really good backup plan.

We play the Lions next week. It's starting to look like a "must lose game".

[Kingspoint]

The Jags have some of the worst cover linebackers in the NFL. Myles Jack, who missed Week 5, has been targeted 17 times, allowing 13 receptions, 156 yards, and a touchdown. Jaguars linebacker Joe Schobert, meanwhile, has allowed 17 catches on 17 targets this season for 243 yards. The team’s other linebackers have struggled covering opposing tight ends and running backs too.

So, per Rotoworld, the Jaguars acquired OLB Kamalei Correa from the Titans. (Rotoworld's comments: the Titans were shopping Correa and had been expected to cut him if they couldn't find a trade partner. The former No. 42 overall pick of the Ravens in 2016, Correa recorded 8.5 sacks for Tennessee the previous two seasons but was buried on the depth chart this year and had played just 20% of the defensive snaps. He missed some time on the COVID-19 list during Tennessee's outbreak.)

Don't know if this will help their LB pass coverage, but it couldn't hurt (unless, of course, his social distancing behavior leads to Jaguar players getting COVID). At least the Jaguars recognize that they need improvement among their Linebackers.

[adkindo]

I would say that you wouldn't know as much as Bengals' fans do.

you guys used mid round draft picks on kickers 2 times in recent years only to cut them after a season? The South endzone has long been cursed for Bucs kickers in Ray Jay

[Rojo Rijo]

The Jags have some of the worst cover linebackers in the NFL. Myles Jack, who missed Week 5, has been targeted 17 times, allowing 13 receptions, 156 yards, and a touchdown. Jaguars linebacker Joe Schobert, meanwhile, has allowed 17 catches on 17 targets this season for 243 yards. The team’s other linebackers have struggled covering opposing tight ends and running backs too.

So, per Rotoworld, the Jaguars acquired OLB Kamalei Correa from the Titans. (Rotoworld's comments: the Titans were shopping Correa and had been expected to cut him if they couldn't find a trade partner. The former No. 42 overall pick of the Ravens in 2016, Correa recorded 8.5 sacks for Tennessee the previous two seasons but was buried on the depth chart this year and had played just 20% of the defensive snaps. He missed some time on the COVID-19 list during Tennessee's outbreak.)

Don't know if this will help their LB pass coverage, but it couldn't hurt (unless, of course, his social distancing behavior leads to Jaguar players getting COVID). At least the Jaguars recognize that they need improvement among their Linebackers.

Correa isn't a coverage backer. I have absolutely no idea why this deal was made other than having someone replace Leon Jacobs. Correa is a FA after this season and we're obviously not contending. Im really hoping there was some insight into this deal beyond 2020 but with Caldwell and Marone still at the helm I doubt it.

Just another head shaking move by the Jags regime

[Rojo Rijo]

Hopefully the draft picture starts to shake out better over the next few weeks....

0-5 teams - Jets, Giants, Falcons
1-4 teams - Chargers, Texans, Jaguars, Redskins, Vikings
1-3 teams - Lions, Broncos
1-3-1 teams - Bengals, Eagles
2-3 teams - 49ers, Dolphins, Cowboys

Upcoming schedules (pending COVID related issues)

Week 6
0-5 Falcons at 1-4 Vikings
1-4 Redskins at 0-5 Giants
0-5 Jets at 1-4 Dolphins
1-3 Lions at 1-4 Jaguars

Week 7
1-4 Jaguars at 1-4 Chargers
0-5 Giants at 1-3-1 Eagles
1-3 Lions at 0-5 Falcons
2-3 Cowboys at 1-4 Redskins

Week 8
1-4 Chargers at 1-3 Broncos
2-3 Cowboys at 1-3-1 Eagles

I'm seeing a lot of articles saying the Jets would drop Sam Darnold like a bad habit if they can get Trevor Lawrence. While I agree Lawrence has the generational QB make up I can't help but laugh because it won't matter if Gase is still in charge. Lawrence might even want to consider the Andrew Luck route if the Jets end up at #1 overall.

If Jacksonville ends up with a top 3 pick and doesn't go QB I hope they get Sewell. Ultimately I feel like there will be another team that ends up higher than Jax on the draft board, either due to a worse record or trading up above us to get Lawrence. There is always the chance that even Jax uses its current arsenal of picks (two 1s, two 2s in '21) to move up. I think the smart thing to do in the event we don't get the #1 overall pick (and we still go QB) is let whichever team draft Lawrence or trade up for Lawrence and we find a way to get Fields. For as highly touted and praised as Lawrence is, Fields is not that far behind him.

[JaxRed]

I don't think Gase will be a factor. I'll be very surprised if he lasts the entire season.

[JaxRed]

I have no idea what to expect today against the Lions. I think I'd rather go 1-15 and try to get Lawrence (or Fields), but I'm not sure 1-15 gets it done. So I fully expect a 4-12 record and 'no-man's land' again. If so, today might be one of those 4 wins.

[JaxRed]

Wow today was a stinker performance. All around. Minshew looked bad, defense looked bad, a lot more little injuries. ONly good part of day is victories by Falcons and Giants. Both remain ahead of Jags based on SOS.

Currently with pick #5.

Jags have a bye after next week. Gotta wonder if heads will roll. It appears the GM sold his house a couple weeks ago.

[Assembly Hall]

Wow today was a stinker performance. All around. Minshew looked bad, defense looked bad, a lot more little injuries. ONly good part of day is victories by Falcons and Giants. Both remain ahead of Jags based on SOS.

Currently with pick #5.

Jags have a bye after next week. Gotta wonder if heads will roll. It appears the GM sold his house a couple weeks ago.

Ya need a franchise QB...

[Kingspoint]

Ya need a franchise QB...

Don't think Jay Gruden's play-calling has been very good, and their O-Line is as bad as the Bengals'.

[Rojo Rijo]

Don't think Jay Gruden's play-calling has been very good, and their O-Line is as bad as the Bengals'.

They're not a great pass blocking unit but prior to this game they ranked in the top half of run blocking teams. They are by no means great but they are far from being as bad as the Bengals.

[Kingspoint]

They're not a great pass blocking unit but prior to this game they ranked in the top half of run blocking teams. They are by no means great but they are far from being as bad as the Bengals.

They did? Did not know that. Could not tell (I start James Robinson every week on my fantasy team, so I do pay attention to this, but I have not seen any PFF grades on O-Lines or individual Jag players,...just going by what I see. On run plays, Robinson routinely gets first contact before he reaches the LOS.).

[JaxRed]

Was just listening to Tony Boselli on radio. Said this was bad game for O-line. And that they played pretty well before this game.

Reading the tea leaves, I think Marrone knows he is getting fired. Whether it is at the end of the season or after next Sundays loss to Chargers. We have a bye week coming up after the Chargers. He was asked about firing Defensive Coordinator Todd Wash. The Jags have given up 30 points or more for 5 straight games.

And he said as long as he is coach, Wash is the DC. That sounds like guy who does not expect to be coach much longer.

Also DJ Chark kind of threw Minshew under the bus saying the receivers were getting open.

[Rojo Rijo]

They did? Did not know that. Could not tell (I start James Robinson every week on my fantasy team, so I do pay attention to this, but I have not seen any PFF grades on O-Lines or individual Jag players,...just going by what I see. On run plays, Robinson routinely gets first contact before he reaches the LOS.).

Well the wheels seem to be coming off now. I'm expecting us to get absolutely railroaded in LA this weekend. We're trending tank and LA is coming off of a bye week with a rookie QB playing extremely well. Our history traveling to SD/LA is not the greatest.

The last 4 times we traveled to SD/LA
L 34-21
L 38-13
L 33-14
L 38-14

But yeah, I've got JR on one of my teams too. What began as a ridiculous undrafted gem who could even put up points in a negative game script has now fallen victim to the overall plunge of the team. I wouldn't want to have to start any Jag in FFB right now.

[JaxRed]

I don't know about you RR as one of the few Jags fans here..... but I'm hoping for a blowout loss now. And for Caldwell and Marrone to be fired during bye week.

[Rojo Rijo]

I don't know about you RR as one of the few Jags fans here..... but I'm hoping for a blowout loss now. And for Caldwell and Marrone to be fired during bye week.

I'm with that 110%.

[JaxRed]

I"m not 100% sure I want Jay Gruden named as interim, which would seem logical. I'd be too afraid of Shad keeping him. I want 100% new guys. I might lean towards MacAdoo. He's been a HC before but isn't a "hot" candidate.

[Kingspoint]

Well the wheels seem to be coming off now. I'm expecting us to get absolutely railroaded in LA this weekend. We're trending tank and LA is coming off of a bye week with a rookie QB playing extremely well. Our history traveling to SD/LA is not the greatest.

The last 4 times we traveled to SD/LA
L 34-21
L 38-13
L 33-14
L 38-14

But yeah, I've got JR on one of my teams too. What began as a ridiculous undrafted gem who could even put up points in a negative game script has now fallen victim to the overall plunge of the team. I wouldn't want to have to start any Jag in FFB right now.

Teams just don't do well in any sport when they have to travel 2000 to 2500 miles one way.

[Kingspoint]

Well the wheels seem to be coming off now. I'm expecting us to get absolutely railroaded in LA this weekend. We're trending tank and LA is coming off of a bye week with a rookie QB playing extremely well. Our history traveling to SD/LA is not the greatest.

The last 4 times we traveled to SD/LA
L 34-21
L 38-13
L 33-14
L 38-14

But yeah, I've got JR on one of my teams too. What began as a ridiculous undrafted gem who could even put up points in a negative game script has now fallen victim to the overall plunge of the team. I wouldn't want to have to start any Jag in FFB right now.

Chalk gets 14 targets, but only about 75 yards. Ridiculous. They get tunnel-vision on a Receiver it seems every game. Defenses see it coming, too.

[Kingspoint]

Bugle call!

Help is on the way...

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Jaguars DE Aaron Lynch has ended his brief retirement and joined the team. The 27-year-old hung up his cleats just two months ago but has now decided to come back to football. The Jaguars are dead last in adjusted sack rate and need all the help they can get off the edge.

[Kingspoint]

Well the wheels seem to be coming off now. I'm expecting us to get absolutely railroaded in LA this weekend. We're trending tank and LA is coming off of a bye week with a rookie QB playing extremely well. Our history traveling to SD/LA is not the greatest.

The last 4 times we traveled to SD/LA
L 34-21
L 38-13
L 33-14
L 38-14

But yeah, I've got JR on one of my teams too. What began as a ridiculous undrafted gem who could even put up points in a negative game script has now fallen victim to the overall plunge of the team. I wouldn't want to have to start any Jag in FFB right now.

Minshew is going to throw it 44 times. That's not a good thing when 40 of them won't go in the air more than 8 yards past the LOS.

[Rojo Rijo]

I"m not 100% sure I want Jay Gruden named as interim, which would seem logical. I'd be too afraid of Shad keeping him. I want 100% new guys. I might lean towards MacAdoo. He's been a HC before but isn't a "hot" candidate.

I'd be very interested in Todd Bowles. Beyond that I wouldn't be opposed to taking someone green like Leftwich (talk about a reunion) or even someone extremely green like Joe Brady. I think Bowles is far better than his time with big green would argue and both Brady and Leftwich are up and comers that could be snatched up before they become too in demand.

[JaxRed]

I simply wouldn't want Leftwich because of his prior Jacksonville connection. Sorry I want 100% new people. I didn't see much in the Bowles regime in NY that would make me want him. Brady is sure interesting but man oh man would that be risky.

To be honest, I'm more interested in the GM position. I assume that person hires the coach and not Shad. And I'm not really sure who the hot names would be for that. Seems I've heard someone from KC mentioned, and that might bring Bienemy.

I also kind a wonder why Asst GM's are not hire-able during the season, instead of after. Once the trade deadline passes, I actually assume November is a quieter time in the GM office, than after the season when you are starting to prepare for Free Agency and the draft.

[JaxRed]

BTW, saw a picture of Myles Jack from last Sunday. Not only did he have a walking cast on, but his injured foot was on one of those little carts. I's be really surprised to see him Sunday. In fact, way better to not even try so he can take the 2 weeks off.

[JaxRed]

BTW, hoping for and predicting Jags loss. About 35-17. Watched Fields yesterday. Not quite as despondent about missing out on Lawrence.

Perfect day for me involves Falcons win, and Washington win. I can't really even dream about Jets win.

[Kingspoint]

I'm still playing Robinson over both Singletary and Justin Jackson.

Robinson should still get 12-14 rushes and 5-8 targets, especially with Thompson out.

Singletary will have positive game-script against the Jets and potentially 20 rushes, but he's had positive game-script before and only gets 11-12 rushes. They just don't use Singletary in the passing game. He's rotated on first half series, sometimes 2nd half, and Allen vultures all TD's that Moss doesn't.

Jackson, should get 20+ touches with at least 5 receptions, but there's still too much mystery there.

And, I'm not sitting Drake after his 164/2TD explosion, or Jamal Williams with Aaron Jones out.

[Kingspoint]

BTW, hoping for and predicting Jags loss. About 35-17. Watched Fields yesterday. Not quite as despondent about missing out on Lawrence.

Perfect day for me involves Falcons win, and Washington win. I can't really even dream about Jets win.

Hope Robinson gets one of those two scores you are predicting. Guessing Chalk gets one, with Shenault my 3rd choice of getting one after Robinson.

[RiverRat13]

That was a 1990s Bengals quality collapse to lose.

[JaxRed]

Jags are currently #3 in draft order !! Turns out that Minshew fractured his thumb on his throwing hand in several places on Oct 10th, and didn't tell the club it was hurt. Doug Marrone who did not get fired, announced earlier on the week that he was going to think outside the box, and do crazy stuff !!

If he starts Glennon after that .................. Give our 6th round draft choice Luton a look.

[Rojo Rijo]

Jags are currently #3 in draft order !! Turns out that Minshew fractured his thumb on his throwing hand in several places on Oct 10th, and didn't tell the club it was hurt. Doug Marrone who did not get fired, announced earlier on the week that he was going to think outside the box, and do crazy stuff !!

If he starts Glennon after that .................. Give our 6th round draft choice Luton a look.

NFL.com has us at #2 currently.

[JaxRed]

NFL.com has us at #2 currently.

Correct me if I'm wrong..... but the NFL site doesn't post Strength of Schedule anywhere. All I've seen is one guy who does mock drafts and he uses apparently uses Strength of Schedule from before the season started. Tankathon is always up to date. You can see the SOS change after every result.

Tankathon is far more accurate.

[Rojo Rijo]

Correct me if I'm wrong..... but the NFL site doesn't post Strength of Schedule anywhere. All I've seen is one guy who does mock drafts and he uses apparently uses Strength of Schedule from before the season started. Tankathon is always up to date. You can see the SOS change after every result.

Tankathon is far more accurate.

That’s interesting. Especially considering they tweet out the updated order each week. Being from the official site of the league you’d think they would use the up to date SOS. I do see where other sites post the SOS and it’s different from the NFLs.

[Kingspoint]

Go Beavers!!!

28 TD's, 3 INT's Luton's Senior season.

He can't be worse than Minshew.

[Kingspoint]

Hope Robinson gets one of those two scores you are predicting. Guessing Chalk gets one, with Shenault my 3rd choice of getting one after Robinson.

Robinson dominated, but I lost by 3/10th's of a point on Allen Robinson's last catch that gave him the concussion late on Monday Night.

[adkindo]

Minshew out this week...rookie Jake Luton gets the start.

[Kingspoint]

Minshew out this week...rookie Jake Luton gets the start.

...and the week after that, and the week after that.

Full tank mode at this point.

Dead Man Walking throughout the Coaching Room.

[Rojo Rijo]

Was hoping the Giants would pull off an upset of Tampa Tom last night.

I don't see us winning anymore games but I could easily see a 0-16 Jets followed by a 1-15 Giants, putting us out of the Lawrence/Fields spots. Maybe we move up to #2, maybe we take Sewell. Maybe the Giants take Sewell? I doubt we see a SOS flip with us and NYG.

This has disaster written all over it. It also has NFL marketing written all over it. Fields and Lawrence both to the Big Apple. While I think Sewell is a #1 overall pick in his own right we need a franchise QB and unfortunately for us I don't see a scenario where Lawrence and Fields are not the first two picks. Both are talented enough for the Jets and Giants to easily Josh Rosen their current QBs.

One of the most absolutely frustrating things is how crappy we've been at tanking over the years + being undercut by other teams out tanking us.

Here's how bad/unlucky we've been at tanking.

Drafts - 26
Top 10 picks - 18
#1 overall picks - 0
#2 overall picks - 3 (only 1 since 1996)
Average spot of top 10 pick - 6.2
Top 10 pick in 12 of the last 13 years
Top 5 pick for 6 straight years ('12 - '17) . Average pick of those years - 3.6

Top Draft picks by year
Tony Boseli - Pro Bowl Player
Kevin Hardy - Pro Bowl Player
Renaldo Wynn - Good
Fred Taylor - Pro Bowl Player
Fernando Bryant - Good
R. Jay Soward - Bust
Marcus Stroud - Pro Bowl Player
John Henderson - Pro Bowl Player
Byron Leftwich - Bust
Reggie Williams - Bust
Matt Jones - Bust
Mercedes Lewis - Pro Bowl Player
Reggie Nelson - Pro Bowl Player (Not in Jacksonville) Could argue he was a bust in Jax
Derrick Harvey - Bust
Eugene Monroe - Bust
Tyson Alualu - Bust
Blaine Gabbert - Bust
Justin Blackmon - Bust (This one still hurts. HOF potential talent)
Luke Joekel - Bust
Blake Bortles - Bust
*Dante Fowler - Bust (outplayed by Yannick, had moments but ultimately did very little in Jax)
*Jalen Ramsey - Pro Bowl Player. HOF talent but ego always getting in the way
*Leonard Fournette - Bust (Sure he was good in '17 but he was terrible in '18 & '19)
*Taven Bryan - Most likely going to be a Bust. Late 1st so not as painful but was selected before Lamar Jackson.
*Josh Allen - Pro Bowl Player
CJ Henderson - Jury is still out but looks very promising

*Coughlin picks. Asterisk placed as 2 of these players were traded away and relationship with TC/FO was a big part of it. Both Ramsey and Fowler were great picks while the picks of Fournette and Bryan were crippling to this franchise based on who else was available (CMC, Dehsaun, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson etc.)

Long story short, not only do we stink at tanking, we've got bad luck and we've been pretty bad at drafting most years.

Oh, one of my other favorite things is being undercut for a dominant player by all three AFC South teams in years where we stunk too but they were smart enough to let us beat them.

2011
Jacksonville 5-11
Indianapolis 2-14
Jacksonville 17 - Indianapolis 3
Jacksonville 19 - Indianapolis 13
Colts finish with worst record and draft Andrew Luck #1

2013
Jacksonville 4-12
Houston 2-14
Jacksonville 13 Houston 6
Jacksonville 27 Houston 20
Houston finishes with the worst record and drafts Jadaveon Clowney #1

2014
Jacksonville 3-13
Tennessee 2-14
Tennessee 16 Jacksonville 14 - 1st game
Jacksonville 21 - Tennessee 13
Tennessee finishes with the 2nd worst record and drafts Marcus Mariota (Jameis Winston went 1st overall).

*We had just beaten the Giants two weeks earlier (we were 1-10 prior to that) where the Giants were beating us 21-3 at half and we managed to come back and kick a FG to win it with :28 seconds on the clock. Then we're down 10-0 to Tennessee up until :31 seconds left in the half when we score a TD and go on to win in the second half. This was huge because both teams were 2-12 and this was week 16.

Nothing is more infuriating to me than to watch Jacksonville win meaningless games every year when they are an absolute dumpster fire and cost themselves in the draft. This has been going on for 12+ years (outside of 2017) and every year there are a handful of fans who will argue that the team should always try and win. I'm not saying the players shouldn't play to win but there are always ways to position a team to make it more difficult to win, such as the QB move we're making for next weekend.

[UKFlounder]

Wow. Impressive research & post.

Your pain seeps through my screen.



Was hoping the Giants would pull off an upset of Tampa Tom last night.

I don't see us winning anymore games but I could easily see a 0-16 Jets followed by a 1-15 Giants, putting us out of the Lawrence/Fields spots. Maybe we move up to #2, maybe we take Sewell. Maybe the Giants take Sewell? I doubt we see a SOS flip with us and NYG.

This has disaster written all over it. It also has NFL marketing written all over it. Fields and Lawrence both to the Big Apple. While I think Sewell is a #1 overall pick in his own right we need a franchise QB and unfortunately for us I don't see a scenario where Lawrence and Fields are not the first two picks. Both are talented enough for the Jets and Giants to easily Josh Rosen their current QBs.

One of the most absolutely frustrating things is how crappy we've been at tanking over the years + being undercut by other teams out tanking us.

Here's how bad/unlucky we've been at tanking.

Drafts - 26
Top 10 picks - 18
#1 overall picks - 0
#2 overall picks - 3 (only 1 since 1996)
Average spot of top 10 pick - 6.2
Top 10 pick in 12 of the last 13 years
Top 5 pick for 6 straight years ('12 - '17) . Average pick of those years - 3.6

Top Draft picks by year
Tony Boseli - Pro Bowl Player
Kevin Hardy - Pro Bowl Player
Renaldo Wynn - Good
Fred Taylor - Pro Bowl Player
Fernando Bryant - Good
R. Jay Soward - Bust
Marcus Stroud - Pro Bowl Player
John Henderson - Pro Bowl Player
Byron Leftwich - Bust
Reggie Williams - Bust
Matt Jones - Bust
Mercedes Lewis - Pro Bowl Player
Reggie Nelson - Pro Bowl Player (Not in Jacksonville) Could argue he was a bust in Jax
Derrick Harvey - Bust
Eugene Monroe - Bust
Tyson Alualu - Bust
Blaine Gabbert - Bust
Justin Blackmon - Bust (This one still hurts. HOF potential talent)
Luke Joekel - Bust
Blake Bortles - Bust
*Dante Fowler - Bust (outplayed by Yannick, had moments but ultimately did very little in Jax)
*Jalen Ramsey - Pro Bowl Player. HOF talent but ego always getting in the way
*Leonard Fournette - Bust (Sure he was good in '17 but he was terrible in '18 & '19)
*Taven Bryan - Most likely going to be a Bust. Late 1st so not as painful but was selected before Lamar Jackson.
*Josh Allen - Pro Bowl Player
CJ Henderson - Jury is still out but looks very promising

*Coughlin picks. Asterisk placed as 2 of these players were traded away and relationship with TC/FO was a big part of it. Both Ramsey and Fowler were great picks while the picks of Fournette and Bryan were crippling to this franchise based on who else was available (CMC, Dehsaun, Mahomes, Lamar Jackson etc.)

Long story short, not only do we stink at tanking, we've got bad luck and we've been pretty bad at drafting most years.

Oh, one of my other favorite things is being undercut for a dominant player by all three AFC South teams in years where we stunk too but they were smart enough to let us beat them.

2011
Jacksonville 5-11
Indianapolis 2-14
Jacksonville 17 - Indianapolis 3
Jacksonville 19 - Indianapolis 13
Colts finish with worst record and draft Andrew Luck #1

2013
Jacksonville 4-12
Houston 2-14
Jacksonville 13 Houston 6
Jacksonville 27 Houston 20
Houston finishes with the worst record and drafts Jadaveon Clowney #1

2014
Jacksonville 3-13
Tennessee 2-14
Tennessee 16 Jacksonville 14 - 1st game
Jacksonville 21 - Tennessee 13
Tennessee finishes with the 2nd worst record and drafts Marcus Mariota (Jameis Winston went 1st overall).

*We had just beaten the Giants two weeks earlier (we were 1-10 prior to that) where the Giants were beating us 21-3 at half and we managed to come back and kick a FG to win it with :28 seconds on the clock. Then we're down 10-0 to Tennessee up until :31 seconds left in the half when we score a TD and go on to win in the second half. This was huge because both teams were 2-12 and this was week 16.

Nothing is more infuriating to me than to watch Jacksonville win meaningless games every year when they are an absolute dumpster fire and cost themselves in the draft. This has been going on for 12+ years (outside of 2017) and every year there are a handful of fans who will argue that the team should always try and win. I'm not saying the players shouldn't play to win but there are always ways to position a team to make it more difficult to win, such as the QB move we're making for next weekend.

[Kingspoint]

Wow. Impressive research & post.

Your pain seeps through my screen.

Bengals' fans feel no pain from having been numb for decades now.

[Kingspoint]

Your odds of winning this week just went way up. HOU lost an important day of practice closing their facilities today, while one player at the minimum will miss Sunday's game due to COVID either from a positive test or from close contact requiring a 5-day quaratine at a minimum.

I was playing Chalk and Robinson in my FFB league anyway, but their floors and ceilings just went up.

A win could drop you 3 to 5 spots down in the draft from where you currently sit.

When throwing deep to Chalk, they need to do it on 1st or 2nd down. It won't work on 3rd down as Luton only completed 37% of his passes under pressure last season. He didn't throw picks, but he didn't complete them to his own Receivers, either. Regardless, this should be one of the three best games of the year for Chalk and get him back to tracking what he was doing last season.

[Rojo Rijo]

Your odds of winning this week just went way up. HOU lost an important day of practice closing their facilities today, while one player at the minimum will miss Sunday's game due to COVID either from a positive test or from close contact requiring a 5-day quaratine at a minimum.

I was playing Chalk and Robinson in my FFB league anyway, but their floors and ceilings just went up.

A win could drop you 3 to 5 spots down in the draft from where you currently sit.

When throwing deep to Chalk, they need to do it on 1st or 2nd down. It won't work on 3rd down as Luton only completed 37% of his passes under pressure last season. He didn't throw picks, but he didn't complete them to his own Receivers, either. Regardless, this should be one of the three best games of the year for Chalk and get him back to tracking what he was doing last season.

Out of total curiosity, why do you refer to DJ as Chalk? Does it have something to do with scoring touchdowns or first downs?

As for the game I could see it being close but as long as it's a Pro Bowl QB against a young inexperienced defense I'm taking the team with the Pro Bowl QB. Now if Houston ends up missing a lot of contributing players I could maybe see things going differently but I still doubt it.

[Kingspoint]

Out of total curiosity, why do you refer to DJ as Chalk? Does it have something to do with scoring touchdowns or first downs?


Because when I was 3 I lost my front teeth and the new ones didn't grow in until I was 5. That's when I learned how to speak (I used to just point at everything to get what I want until our new babysitter, Mrs. Edge, took over when I was 3 and made me speak and say the words if I wanted something), and because I didn't have any front teeth, I couldn't pronounce the "R" sound, so all my R's sounded like W's and all my W's sounded like L's. Since I was 4 in 1963, I sounded like JFK, or like I was from Boston. Everyone new I met until I was 13 continued to ask me that, and it got really old. It was so bad, that when I attended a public school for the first time when I reached 8th Grade because my Catholic grade school ran out of money (actually over a quarter of a million dollars in debt in 1972) like thousands of others across the nation, an employee of the public school system put me down by trying to "help" me. She actually came up to me unsolicited and sought me out and asked if I wanted to do some speech therapy. So, feeling like the way I spoke must have something wrong with it, I agreed and did the therapy for a few months, until........a cute girl mentioned how she liked my accent, and that woke me up to the screwed up psychotic mind of the speech counselor trying to tell a 13-year old kid that there's something wrong with him and that he should change so he can sound like everyone else. Well, I stopped the speech lessons, but I practiced the exercises on my own because I still had it in my head that there was something wrong with the way I spoke (when in reality, I would have fit right in if I was in Boston). So, maybe subconsciously, I find it difficult to say "Chark" because first, it's not a recognized name, and second, not saying the "R" sounds better to me.

When I was 17, I drove up to Spokane from Portland (400 miles one way) to visit my brother and at he and his wife's apartment they had a pool. There was this gorgeous redhead named Alexandra that I tried to meet, and when she asked me if I was from Boston (as it would always happen, with this long and awkward explanation that would kill any conversation), I decided for the first time to lie and say, "Yes." Well, of course, she was from Boston. So, I needed to find a reason to excuse myself, drive quickly to a library, find some schools in a Boston phonebook I could have gone to, and get back and continue the conversation. I never lied about it again. (My Spouse's middle name is Alexandra, so there is something special to me with that name.)

I did eventually continue to work on correcting my speech until I was "normal". When I get excited, I slip back into my old accent for just a bit before I catch myself. This is the kind of effect "therapists" have on kids. They screw them up far more than they help them. I firmly believe that most psycholigists are a drain on society. Seriously, most of them are more whacked out than the people they are trying to help. If you polled them all, you'd find that 99% of them believe in invisible pink unicorns, and these people are trying to tell others that they have problems with reality? They are a waste of life and destroy people, not help them.

[Kingspoint]

Out of total curiosity, why do you refer to DJ as Chalk? Does it have something to do with scoring touchdowns or first downs?

As for the game I could see it being close but as long as it's a Pro Bowl QB against a young inexperienced defense I'm taking the team with the Pro Bowl QB. Now if Houston ends up missing a lot of contributing players I could maybe see things going differently but I still doubt it.

Mahomes has been playing well and Romeo Crennel has been fantastic since he took over. I expect a final score of HOU 37, JAX 23.

[Rojo Rijo]

Because when I was 3 I lost my front teeth and the new ones didn't grow in until I was 5. That's when I learned how to speak (I used to just point at everything to get what I want until our new babysitter, Mrs. Edge, took over when I was 3 and made me speak and say the words if I wanted something), and because I didn't have any front teeth, I couldn't pronounce the "R" sound, so all my R's sounded like W's and all my W's sounded like L's. Since I was 4 in 1963, I sounded like JFK, or like I was from Boston. Everyone new I met until I was 13 continued to ask me that, and it got really old. It was so bad, that when I attended a public school for the first time when I reached 8th Grade because my Catholic grade school ran out of money (actually over a quarter of a million dollars in debt in 1972) like thousands of others across the nation, an employee of the public school system put me down by trying to "help" me. She actually came up to me unsolicited and sought me out and asked if I wanted to do some speech therapy. So, feeling like the way I spoke must have something wrong with it, I agreed and did the therapy for a few months, until........a cute girl mentioned how she liked my accent, and that woke me up to the screwed up psychotic mind of the speech counselor trying to tell a 13-year old kid that there's something wrong with him and that he should change so he can sound like everyone else. Well, I stopped the speech lessons, but I practiced the exercises on my own because I still had it in my head that there was something wrong with the way I spoke (when in reality, I would have fit right in if I was in Boston). So, maybe subconsciously, I find it difficult to say "Chark" because first, it's not a recognized name, and second, not saying the "R" sounds better to me.

When I was 17, I drove up to Spokane from Portland (400 miles one way) to visit my brother and at he and his wife's apartment they had a pool. There was this gorgeous redhead named Alexandra that I tried to meet, and when she asked me if I was from Boston (as it would always happen, with this long and awkward explanation that would kill any conversation), I decided for the first time to lie and say, "Yes." Well, of course, she was from Boston. So, I needed to find a reason to excuse myself, drive quickly to a library, find some schools in a Boston phonebook I could have gone to, and get back and continue the conversation. I never lied about it again. (My Spouse's middle name is Alexandra, so there is something special to me with that name.)

I did eventually continue to work on correcting my speech until I was "normal". When I get excited, I slip back into my old accent for just a bit before I catch myself. This is the kind of effect "therapists" have on kids. They screw them up far more than they help them. I firmly believe that most psycholigists are a drain on society. Seriously, most of them are more whacked out than the people they are trying to help. If you polled them all, you'd find that 99% of them believe in invisible pink unicorns, and these people are trying to tell others that they have problems with reality? They are a waste of life and destroy people, not help them.

Oh ok. Yeah I just thought maybe it was something to do with DJ himself.

[Rojo Rijo]

Mahomes has been playing well and Romeo Crennel has been fantastic since he took over. I expect a final score of HOU 37, JAX 23.

As long as they score more points than we do im good with it.

[Kingspoint]

Oh ok. Yeah I just thought maybe it was something to do with DJ himself.

Chark's pretty exciting. Hope they throw it deep (20+ yards in the air past the LOS) to him at least twice each half. He'll either catch or get a PI call on two of them. Again, though, that play needs to be called on 1st or 2nd down because Luton won't hang in there long enough to make the throw on 3rd down.

[JaxRed]

Mahomes has been playing well and Romeo Crennel has been fantastic since he took over. I expect a final score of HOU 37, JAX 23.

I thought it was bad enough we had to play Houston with Watson. Now we have to face Mahomes? It's just not fair. :D

[JaxRed]

Jags play a must-lose game today against Texans. Kind of mixed emotions to watch the new QB Luton. Would like to see him light things up, but I really want one of Lawrence/Fields/Wilson.

[Kingspoint]

I thought it was bad enough we had to play Houston with Watson. Now we have to face Mahomes? It's just not fair. :D

It's been a busy week,...first week of new job,...overload of information. (not to say that posts like that aren't the norm for me,...just sayin')

[Kingspoint]

Jags play a must-lose game today against Texans. Kind of mixed emotions to watch the new QB Luton. Would like to see him light things up, but I really want one of Lawrence/Fields/Wilson.

Would like to see the Coaches force him to throw it deep. I feel they turned Minshew into the ultra-conservative passer he became. If all they do is let him hand it off and throw passes between 7-yards behind the LOS to 5-yards past the LOS, they why bother changing QB's? All the Coaches involved in the decisions of the Offense need to be fired because there is where the problem lies. No knee-jerk reactions necessary. Coaches get to play the season out. But, would like to see them at least open things up for the young QB. Throw short passes on 3rd Down (but at least 2 yards past the 1st Down marker) or run if it's less than 2-1/2 yards, but go for it on 1st and 2nd down and open things up and take advantage of Chark. This will only make things better for Robinson if the Safeties can't cheat and they have to worry about sending blitzes from the edge (well Chark needs to see that and run an in-route behind the blitz, but you know what I mean...if they hit Chark or whoever is on the other side on a Corner blitz because they ran the in-route, they won't send the Corner blitz).

[Kingspoint]

Did I call that, or did I frickin' call that!

[Kingspoint]

So close.

Luton was impressive!!!

[JaxRed]

Luton is certainly worth another look if Minshew out another week. Doesn't change my mind that Lawrence or Fields would look great in Teal (who doesn't?)

This year's hierarchy was Minshew/Glennon/Luton. I'd be cool with Fields/Minshew/Luton

We are up to pick #2 now

[Rojo Rijo]

What needed to happen happened today. Second half schedule is tough. Only games I’d worry about us winning are Cleveland and Chicago. The other 6 (GB, TEN, IND, PIT, MIN, BAL) should be loses.

Make no doubt about it, Jacksonville cannot afford to finish outside of the top two picks. This is the year to draft our franchise QB. We’ve failed at this every time we’ve tried (Leftwich, Gabbert, and Bortles) but Lawrence and Fields are premium talents. We cannot mess this up.

[Kingspoint]

What needed to happen happened today. Second half schedule is tough. Only games I’d worry about us winning are Cleveland and Chicago. The other 6 (GB, TEN, IND, PIT, MIN, BAL) should be loses.

Make no doubt about it, Jacksonville cannot afford to finish outside of the top two picks. This is the year to draft our franchise QB. We’ve failed at this every time we’ve tried (Leftwich, Gabbert, and Bortles) but Lawrence and Fields are premium talents. We cannot mess this up.

That is an incredibly tough schedule. Next week I won't play Chark because he'll be going up against one of the three best Corners in the league. That won't make Luton any less effective as he looked great with Conley today. I expect Conley, Cole and Shenault to all have 5+/65+ games, which with a couple of attempts deep to Chark even under blanket coverage, it should still open things up again for Robinson to run underneath as he did today with his season-high 99 rushing yards (yes, it was 25 attempts, but they were effective, except for those back-to-back zero gains on 3rd-and-1 and 4th-and-1 at a critical point in the game).

Luton and Quarterback is not the Jaguars' problem.

Today, Houston's Receivers gained 70% of their yardage after the catch, the most ever in a DeShaun Watson game. Atrocious!

[Kingspoint]

May still play Chark:

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Packers CB Jaire Alexander (concussion) entered the league's protocol. There's a terrific chance he's cleared ahead of Sunday since he initially suffered his head injury on Thursday night.

[JaxRed]

Jags at Packers today. Obviously would be VERY surprised with a win. Hoping for a loss, but for Luton to look good.

[Betterread]

Two plays made the difference in the game. Phantom Jags holding call on the run to go up 24-17 meant only a FG to make it 20-17 and no holding on the Pukers on the interior rusher for the adams TD to win the game. Aaron Rodgers literally gets all the time he needs to throw that pass. I see holding by the Pukers offensive line on so many replays.

[JaxRed]

Luton looked just ok last week. Enough so that a lot of folks are ready to see Minshew once he's healthy. Hopefully Jags look good today but still lose. Go Jets

[Kingspoint]

Luton having trouble completing passes vs. PIT. But, PIT does have the league's best Defense. Robinson looking great again, while the O-Line looks good again,

[JaxRed]

Luton was TERRIBLE this week. Couldn't hit anyone. He's done. If Minshew is ready he'll start. Otherwise Glennon. You can't put Luton back out there. I think Oline was bad on pass protection and good on run. Still need help there.

Joe Flacco has once again made a really stupid play to cost the Jets. I wonder if he has a handshake deal to be the backup for next couple years as long as they don't win.

[Rojo Rijo]

Good news is we've now got a 2 game cushion on the #2 pick.

[Kingspoint]

Good news is we've now got a 2 game cushion on the #2 pick.

Over Cincy?

[Rojo Rijo]

Over Cincy?

We're 1-9, Cincy is 2-7-1. We'd have to win two games to have a worse record as 2-9 would still be a worse record than 2-8-1.

Stranger things have happened but I don't see us winning two out of Cleveland, at Minnesota, Tennessee, at Baltimore, Chicago, and at Indianapolis.

It would be the most Jaguar thing ever to beat Cleveland and Chicago and have us end up in a tie with 4 other teams at 3 wins and we end up with like the #4 or #5 pick.

[JaxRed]

Jags are benching Luton, but Minshew not quite ready so Glennon gets a start.

[Kingspoint]

Jags are benching Luton, but Minshew not quite ready so Glennon gets a start.

That improves the floor and ceiling for Chark and Robinson for me. Playing both.

[JaxRed]

Hope you heard Chark is out. Lof of players (and coaches) are. Gardner still out, so it's Glennon and Luton as QB's. A winnable game, so hopefully Jags don't screw up and win it. Go Jets,

[RedTeamGo!]

The Kareem Hunt challenge play where they admitted they got the spot wrong and still marked him shorter than he was and the Vernon personal foul call is the worst 1-2 punch of calls by nfl refs I’ve seen in years.

[JaxRed]

Well Jags almost messed up a must-lose game. But hung on to lose and still have 1.5 game cushion on 3rd spot and 1 game behind Jets.

[JaxRed]

Shad Khan has fired GM Dave Caldwell. Coaching staff safe through end of the year.

[redsfanmia]

Well Jags almost messed up a must-lose game. But hung on to lose and still have 1.5 game cushion on 3rd spot and 1 game behind Jets.

You have the Colts the last game of the year, seems like the Jags always beats the Colts.

[JaxRed]

You have the Colts the last game of the year, seems like the Colts always let Jags win enough to blow the big pick.

FIFY

[Kingspoint]

Shad Khan has fired GM Dave Caldwell. Coaching staff safe through end of the year.

"Merry Christmas, ya filthy animal."

[Kingspoint]

Hope you heard Chark is out. Lof of players (and coaches) are. Gardner still out, so it's Glennon and Luton as QB's. A winnable game, so hopefully Jags don't screw up and win it. Go Jets,

Didn't play him. Didn't matter. My opponent had Tyreke Hill.

[Rojo Rijo]

Another close one. Losing games has been as nerve wracking as winning with four of the last 5 being decided by 2, 4, 2, and 3 points.

We'd still need to win two games to fall out of the #2 pick. We've got vs. Ten, at Bal, vs. Chi, and at Ind left.

The Jets just refuse to win and have at Sea, at LAr, vs. Cle, and at NE left. I'm pretty certain their going 0-16.

[JaxRed]

The Trevor Lawrence era in Jax lasted 4 minutes.

[JaxRed]

It's in the best interest of the Jags to lose. So, starting Glennon is best for that cause, Marrone keeps saying Glennon gives them the best chances to win. But Minshew beats Glennon in TD/INT ratio, Completion Pct, Yards per game, and rating. Every stat.

And in net points (Because Glennon threw a pick six and gave up a safety), The Jags score slightly more under Minshew despite Minshew playing with a broken bone in his throwing hand for 2.5 games.

And that's where I think this really boils down. Last year when Coughlin was still here and in charge, Marrone went to the mat for Minshew. Reporters overheard a yelling match where Marrone insisted on Minshew and Coughlin wanted Foles. Marrone refused to start Foles.

And this year, knowing the Jags desperately needed some wins to save Marrone's job, Minshew hid an injury from the team. That's what Marrone can't accept.

Going forward in 2021, Marrone almost certainly won't be the coach. The Jags almost certainly will draft a QB at #2. As it looks now, it will probably be Fields. A mobile QB. If Minshew is the backup or the bridge QB they play the same kind of offense. Minshew makes much more sense than Glennon as the backup.

Wait 2 more losses then start Minshew for last 2 games.

[JaxRed]

Jags got blown out by Titans. Glennon played more than half the game. Was ineffective. Minshew got .40 of the game. Was better but still had some bad throws. Minshew gets the start next week against Baltimore.

Just one more loss the rest of the way gets us at worst the #3 pick.

[JaxRed]

Some rumblings of an Urban Meyer to Jax talk. I don't really believe it. And not sure it would be the greatest thing. But boy it sure would be interesting.

[Kingspoint]

So, Minshew returns and it's the same old, same old. Can't complete anything downfield. He is barely backup material.

No doubt they take a QB on their 1st pick and I doubt if they trade down to do it. Jets should also take a QB, and that sets up Sewell to the Bengals.

They could trade to 4 as the Bengals won't take a QB in case someone at 4 wants Sewell.

I feel like the Bengals will find a way to mess this up, just like Cleveland giving up the 55-yd kick to Tucker to lose.

[JaxRed]

Minshew played less than half the game. Jags scored 7 points and also had 2 other drives where they would have scored with chip shot field goals but had to go for first downs instead because Glennon had put them in such a big hole.

So he would have had 13 points in less than half a game. I'd 100% be satisfied with Minshew as my backup next year. Will be very interesting to see what happens at QB for the Jags. First we need a GM and (hopefully) new coach.

But to me, Fields is playing himself out of the #2 spot. If the new GM doesn't love Fields or Wilson enough for #2, do they go ahead and solidify left tackle for the next 10 years with Sewell. And then hope for picking up Fields, Wilson, Jones or Trask late in first? Or pick up one of the possible QBs that might be available thru free agency or trade?

Let's get that L out of the way today first.

[Kingspoint]

Garnder Minshew really sucks.

[Kingspoint]

Minshew played less than half the game. Jags scored 7 points and also had 2 other drives where they would have scored with chip shot field goals but had to go for first downs instead because Glennon had put them in such a big hole.

So he would have had 13 points in less than half a game. I'd 100% be satisfied with Minshew as my backup next year. Will be very interesting to see what happens at QB for the Jags. First we need a GM and (hopefully) new coach.

But to me, Fields is playing himself out of the #2 spot. If the new GM doesn't love Fields or Wilson enough for #2, do they go ahead and solidify left tackle for the next 10 years with Sewell. And then hope for picking up Fields, Wilson, Jones or Trask late in first? Or pick up one of the possible QBs that might be available thru free agency or trade?

Let's get that L out of the way today first.

Minshew was crap that entire half.

[Kingspoint]

Minshew's inaccuracy makes him unsuable. High percentage completions is no indication of accuracy when the completions don't get 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. Minshew's biggest problem is his poor decision-making. Holding the ball too long. Choosing the wrong Receiver to throw it to. Not throwing to and hitting the correct Receiver when he's open and then ending up checking down to the wrong Receiver that kills a drive.

Now if he could make throws like he just did to Robinson for a TD more often instead of once a game, then he would be serviceable. But, he's more conservative than Alex Smith without the arm strength.

[JaxRed]

Well Jags got thoroughly dominated as expected. We have now clinched no worse than the third pick.

[JaxRed]

Jets win !! The Jags are now in control of the #1 pick !!!

[KronoRed]

Don't blow this Jags.

[Betterread]

Don't blow this Jags.
What do you mean by blow it? You have drafted in the top ten for 12 of the last 13 yrs and you have nothing to show for it. What will change in 2021?

[Rojo Rijo]

What do you mean by blow it? You have drafted in the top ten for 12 of the last 13 yrs and you have nothing to show for it. What will change in 2021?

He means don’t win a game and lose the #1 pick.

[RiverRat13]

Not only do they get Lawrence, but their coaching job becomes that much more attractive.

[RiverRat13]

Like I said...

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1343195654819086336?s=19

[JaxRed]

Playing the Bears today. Bears need the game, Jags players playing for pride, knowing even their fans want then to lose. Glennon starting which surprises me a bit because Minshew has been out playing him the last couple weeks. I could see it if Marrone thought he was hanging around in some capacity.

Scary rooting for Mitch Trubisky, but he's played pretty well since his return to starting. I get the sense he's doing it more as a game manager, which is fine.

Robinson, the rookie RB is out for Jags.

If Jags lose and Jets beat Covid struck Browns, the first pick is ours.

[Rojo Rijo]

Welcome to Jacksonville Trevor!!!!!

[JaxRed]

For all their futility, Jags have never had the number 1 pick.

[Assembly Hall]

For all their futility, Jags have never had the number 1 pick.

I guess I had never thought of that. I forgot that you guys traded dang near all your future picks for 10 years to get Herschel Walker! LOL

[adkindo]

I guess I had never thought of that. I forgot that you guys traded dang near all your future picks for 10 years to get Herschel Walker! LOL

I know that was the Vikings....so is there an inside joke I am missing?

[adkindo]

Welcome to Jacksonville Trevor!!!!!

I think this has the potential to be huge for Jax football. Having that franchise QB for likely a decade or more is immeasurable, and I personally do think Lawrence will be that if healthy. Load up on weapons and a good defense while Lawrence is fairly cheap, and good things should happen.

[JaxRed]

The excitement level in town is crazy. Should have a totally new regime (Head Coach/GM). Tons of cap room, tons of draft choices this year.

[Rojo Rijo]

Media has been eating into us but I could care less.

They do this crap every year, did the same thing to the Bengals last year. I think it's really bad this year because we're taking away a generational QB talent from the New York Market.

ESPN hates this and that makes me even happier. Can't stand ESPN.

Also, I'd LOVE to beat Indy next week and bookend the season with Ws over the Colts. Talk about sticking it to the media and sending their tank-radars into a frenzy.

[Rojo Rijo]

A lot of talk around Urban and Jaguars. Not sure how I feel about the fit. He likes to have a lot of control over all aspects of a team. I don't want a O'Brien-Texans situation where our HC has any direct involvement with contracts. That's going to turn bad almost every time. Let him pick or have a heavy influence in picking a GM? Sure.

I'm also not sure he'll be the best available coach. We're extremely attractive with all of the cap $, Lawrence, picks etc. When looking at the list it'll start with Bieniemy, Saleh, and Brady. There is always the chance McDaniels is ready to give is another shot. Meyer may be the best leader of the group but he's never coached in the NFL and his teams at the collegiate level have almost always been more talented than the opposition. One thing he would have going for him is that players love to play for him. That could help out in FA, his recruiting ability. But in the NFL great teams are built through the draft not in FA. If Meyer was the hire I would be excited but I would be a bit nervous. As a UF fan I watched Spurrier fall well short of expectations in the NFL after leaving college success. I'm just not sure Meyer is cut out for the NFL. He's never been known as a top notch X's and O's guy.

[Assembly Hall]

A lot of talk around Urban and Jaguars. Not sure how I feel about the fit. He likes to have a lot of control over all aspects of a team. I don't want a O'Brien-Texans situation where our HC has any direct involvement with contracts. That's going to turn bad almost every time. Let him pick or have a heavy influence in picking a GM? Sure.

I'm also not sure he'll be the best available coach. We're extremely attractive with all of the cap $, Lawrence, picks etc. When looking at the list it'll start with Bieniemy, Saleh, and Brady. There is always the chance McDaniels is ready to give is another shot. Meyer may be the best leader of the group but he's never coached in the NFL and his teams at the collegiate level have almost always been more talented than the opposition. One thing he would have going for him is that players love to play for him. That could help out in FA, his recruiting ability. But in the NFL great teams are built through the draft not in FA. If Meyer was the hire I would be excited but I would be a bit nervous. As a UF fan I watched Spurrier fall well short of expectations in the NFL after leaving college success. I'm just not sure Meyer is cut out for the NFL. He's never been known as a top notch X's and O's guy.

Ya just never know how a highly successful college coach is gonna transition to the NFL. Hello Nick Saban.

[Rojo Rijo]

Ya just never know how a highly successful college coach is gonna transition to the NFL. Hello Nick Saban.

If Drew Brees passes his physical we could be living in a very different football landscape.

[JaxRed]

Heading into Sundays game. Jags can even win if they want because they've secured the number one pick. However, James Robinson is out again. And, Jags are going to start Glennon. So Minshew in still in Marrone's doghouse.

So I find it hard to believe Jags will win. It will mean that Jags will not be tied for #1 pick which means they get the #1 pick in ever round. That's most important in Round 2.

edit; DJ Chark out too

[JaxRed]

Whole lotta talk about Jags and Urban Meyer. Coming from Ian Rapaport. Would be exciting. Not sure how it would work....

[Kingspoint]

Whole lotta talk about Jags and Urban Meyer. Coming from Ian Rapaport. Would be exciting. Not sure how it would work....

More than talk. Urban Meyer said it himself that the job is his.

Interesting that one of the rare times I look at the "Ohio State Football" thread (about 3-4 times a year) (edit: guess it was in the NFL thread) was the other day when someone mentioned that Ohio State produces fewer NFL-caliber QB's than they should. QB has been the Jags' biggest problem since they came into the league. Might help if they got a HC who has a history of quality QB's in his history.

[Rojo Rijo]

Whole lotta talk about Jags and Urban Meyer. Coming from Ian Rapaport. Would be exciting. Not sure how it would work....

Wondering if he grabs Herman as his OC

[RiverRat13]

Wondering if he grabs Herman as his OCZero chance. Herman was Brett McMurphy's source for the Zach Smith drama.

[Rojo Rijo]

Zero chance. Herman was Brett McMurphy's source for the Zach Smith drama.

True, forgot about how that all went down

[kaldaniels]

Whole lotta talk about Jags and Urban Meyer. Coming from Ian Rapaport. Would be exciting. Not sure how it would work....

I would wish him the best and pull for him if he made the jump but I don’t see it working out in the NFL for him, wherever he might land. It puts a pit in my stomach just thinking about how it would play out.

6-7 years ago I probably would have thought otherwise.

[KronoRed]

He'd be smart to get NFL guys for assistants, seems the college coaches that take other college guys into the NFL always fail.

[JaxRed]

I'd actually love it if Urban was hired in a Tom Coughlin role. But with one major difference. Every final decision came down to Coughlin. But hire Urban as VP of Football Operations. He hires the GM/Head coach. But then final decisions rest with them until Urban fires them.