The 2020 NFL Season

[Boston Red]

Riley Cooper and Desean Jackson in the same locker room must have been a good time.

[adkindo]

Riley Cooper and Desean Jackson in the same locker room must have been a good time.

At least Cooper can claim he was extremely intoxicated (I am not excusing, just saying at least he has that).......Jackson's only excuse can be being extremely ignorant. Cooper was never able to escape the dark shadow of his words.....nobody will remember Jackson's tweet by next week.

[Boston Red]

The people jumping up to defend what Jackson said (not to defend Jackson and say he's a good guy and should be forgiven but actually endorse the message he posted) is....disturbing.

[Bob Sheed]

Even if my point is valid, you probably shouldn't be quoting me, considering my overall track record.
- Adolph Hitler

[Benihana]

The people jumping up to defend what Jackson said (not to defend Jackson and say he's a good guy and should be forgiven but actually endorse the message he posted) is....disturbing.

Totally agree with this and what Joe Banner said immediately afterward- if Jackson were white and posted something similarly offensive about African Americans, he might be banned for life. Bobby Hart was one of those players that came out and defended Jackson’s comments, as if anyone needed another reason to despise Bobby Hart, who is pretty much a waste of life. I’m tempted to write Katie and Troy a letter imploring them to remove him from the roster- for off-the-field reasons as much as the on-the-field ones.

On an unrelated topic, I think there’s less than a 25% chance they actually play a full season this year.

[Bob Sheed]

Totally agree with this and what Joe Banner said immediately afterward- if Jackson were white and posted something similarly offensive about African Americans, he might be banned for life. Bobby Hart was one of those players that came out and defended Jackson’s comments, as if anyone needed another reason to despise Bobby Hart, who is pretty much a waste of life. I’m tempted to write Katie and Troy a letter imploring them to remove him from the roster- for off-the-field reasons as much as the on-the-field ones.

On an unrelated topic, I think there’s less than a 25% chance they actually play a full season this year.

It's almost like there is a tiny bit of a double standard here with the good old cancel culture SJWs.

Nah.... couldn't be.

[Kingspoint]

The people jumping up to defend what Jackson said (not to defend Jackson and say he's a good guy and should be forgiven but actually endorse the message he posted) is....disturbing.

...but not surprising at all.

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From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the NFLPA has made an economic counterproposal to the league regarding the COVID-19 pandemic. Amongst the Union's proposals: No escrow of 2020 salaries, a flat 2021 salary cap of $198.2 million, "spread revenue loss this year over 2022-2030 caps" and "all fully guaranteed money paid even if games are canceled." Only the last idea may be a non-starter, but none of this will be automatic. This is the dialogue that needs to be happening, but it's astounding it did not begin sooner. The supposed training camp report date of July 28 is only 11 days away. Profootballtalk reports the sides hope to have an agreement by next Tuesday or Wednesday.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

ESPN's Dianna Russini reports the NFL and NFLPA have yet to formally agree on a July 28 report date for training camp. Per Russini, "the league and the player’s union have not agreed on dates of reporting for camp or prior dates for testing of COVID-19." The league probably has the unilateral ability to make players report, but as we saw with Major League Baseball, leagues would like to avoid using that kind of power at a time like this. Players like J.J. Watt have made the case that camp should only begin when both sides are truly ready, and that the downsides of rushing an arbitrary report date far outweigh the benefits.

Source: Dianna Russini on Twitter

[TOG]

Drew Brees said he wouldnt openly disrespect the flag - and he nearly got canceled.

Desean Jackson was an openly racisit bigot, and the retort to him 'We need to educate him and enable him better'

Deasean Jackson is a racist. Why try and make excuses for him?

[Bob Sheed]

Drew Brees said he wouldnt openly disrespect the flag - and he nearly got canceled.

Desean Jackson was an openly racisit bigot, and the retort to him 'We need to educate him and enable him better'

Deasean Jackson is a racist. Why try and make excuses for him?

Because systemic racism means free pass. If Andrew Whitworth said the same thing, he'd already be out of the league.

[Kingspoint]

Drew Brees said he wouldnt openly disrespect the flag - and he nearly got canceled.

Desean Jackson was an openly racisit bigot, and the retort to him 'We need to educate him and enable him better'

Deasean Jackson is a racist. Why try and make excuses for him?

I would never kneel in my life. Screw that, and those who do it.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the league's latest proposal includes two preseason games in 2020. The NFLPA however wants no preseason plus testing frequency and injury protections for those who contract COVID-19. "We still don't have answers," one source told Pelissero. The owners seem intent on forcing two preseason games to fill their pockets while the players simply want to feel safe for being at-risk. With only two weeks until veterans report to training camp on July 28, the league and Union remain far apart on any reasonable outcome. Buckle up.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCAKCN24H2YM-OCASP

72 NFL players test positive for COVID-19, players' union says

[adkindo]

everyone is speculating about a "bombshell" report about to be released by WaPo about the "dark Redskins culture".....have to wait and see what is in there, but it kind of feels like a typical WaPo hit piece with a few unnamed sources and little effort to verify much.....maybe they will surprise me....

[JaxRed]

https://ca.reuters.com/article/sportsNews/idCAKCN24H2YM-OCASP

72 NFL players test positive for COVID-19, players' union says

If we use the 90 day roster size, that's 2.5%. I don't think that's too bad considering they are dispersed and not under control and supervision by teams yet.

[Kingspoint]

everyone is speculating about a "bombshell" report about to be released by WaPo about the "dark Redskins culture".....have to wait and see what is in there, but it kind of feels like a typical WaPo hit piece with a few unnamed sources and little effort to verify much.....maybe they will surprise me....

Minority partners are rushing to sell their interests in the team at this moment. Rats are fleeing the ship.

[adkindo]

Minority partners are rushing to sell their interests in the team at this moment. Rats are fleeing the ship.

they have been trying to sell for months....the Fed Ex CEO and atleast 2 other minority owners have been considering selling for a while.

[Kingspoint]

But, they instituted new venues today to try to sell immediately. Thinking about it and doing it are two different things. They are trying as hard as they can to do it today. They weren't three days ago.

[RichRed]

Minority partners are rushing to sell their interests in the team at this moment. Rats are fleeing the ship.

And this is after they unsuccessfully tried to get Snyder to sell his share.

[JaxRed]

everyone is speculating about a "bombshell" report about to be released by WaPo about the "dark Redskins culture".....have to wait and see what is in there, but it kind of feels like a typical WaPo hit piece with a few unnamed sources and little effort to verify much.....maybe they will surprise me....

Here's the article. Widespread sexual harassment.

https://outline.com/nCZWS5

So people, will get fires/sued. Payouts will happen. They MIGHT force Synder to sell. I thought this was going to be bigger.

[Kingspoint]

And this is after they unsuccessfully tried to get Snyder to sell his share.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports minority shareholders of Washington’s NFL team have hired Moag & Company to vet buyers in order to sell their stake in the team.

Everyone associated with the team is seemingly looking for a way out prior to The Washington's Post alleged bombshell regarding the organization's culture being published in the coming days. Owner Dan Snyder has already hired DC attorney Beth Wilkinson to review and fight rampant speculation of ongoing protocols, but this storm is clearly just getting underway. Expect all even remotely involved in this unraveling to throw in the towel before any fallout is announced.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Here's the article. Widespread sexual harassment.

https://outline.com/nCZWS5

So people, will get fires/sued. Payouts will happen. They MIGHT force Synder to sell. I thought this was going to be bigger.

The Washington Post reports 15 former female employees have alleged sexual harassment during their time working for the Washington football team. Of the 15, only former marketing coordinator Emily Applegate was able to speak on the record. Most of the rest are apparently bound by non-disclosure agreements, with the team refusing to grant their release. The allegations date from as far back as 2006 to 2019. The Post summarizes the allegations as falling into two categories: "Unwelcome overtures or comments of a sexual nature, and exhortations to wear revealing clothing and flirt with clients to close sales deals." Three of the men accused in the article — ex-radio announcer Larry Michael, former director of pro personnel Alex Santos and former assistant director of pro personnel Richard Mann II — have already been fired. The team has hired a law firm to "conduct a thorough independent review of this entire matter and help the team set new employee standards for the future.” Sure. The allegations only further highlight what has been obvious to almost any football observer over the past 20 years: Daniel Snyder is not fit to own a team in the National Football League.

SOURCE: Washington Post

Just watched this on an episode of "Law & Order" yesterday. Prosecutors have to get involved, and then it will take a judge to get them released if the prosecutor presents a compelling argument why.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

Pro Football Talk's Mike Florio reports players who test positive will be placed on a 'COVID-19 list' for three weeks. It’s unclear what will happen if a player on the COVID-19 list can’t return to practice after three weeks. A player being moved to said list will occur as if they were being moved to injured reserve, creating a roster spot that would then be filled with a player (presumably from every organization's expanded practice squad) who is negative for the virus. Fantasy players would be wise to start discussing their home re-draft league rules for this upcoming season as soon as possible.

SOURCE: Pro Football Talk on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

CBS' Jason La Canfora reports "several" general managers do not expect training camp to begin "on time" as scheduled July 28. Word leaked Thursday evening that the Chiefs and Texans — who get to start early since they're playing in the season-opening Thursday night game — were requiring rookies and certain veterans to report Monday, but the league and NFLPA seem miles apart in multiple critical coronavirus negotiations. July 28 is definitely seeming aspirational at this point, but the league continues to try to pretend it's situation normal.

SOURCE: Jason La Canfora on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the league wants coronavirus opt out decisions from players by August 1. It is yet another surprisingly aggressive, antagonistic posture from a league that seems to have just realized it has a million tough choices looming in the near future. The idea that on-the-fence players — whether because of a pre-existing health condition or family member's condition — will have clarity on their 2020 feelings just days into camp isn't remotely realistic. As was the case in Major League Baseball, a process that screams out for unity is quickly devolving into the typical hardball negotiating tactics.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

I can't see how Goodell doesn't go down with Snyder.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the league has proposed a $40 million reduction to the 2020 salary cap of $198.2 million. The laughable proposal would necessitate widespread veteran releases and contract re-negotiations. You can probably guess the NFLPA's response: "Lol." The union wants to spread the hit out over multiple future seasons. As Profootballtalk's Mike Florio points out, the players have zero obligation to negotiate the 2020 cap. The "mutual duty to bargain" does not kick in until 2021. It is entirely predictable that the league is trying to spread out the unforeseen losses, something it would never do with unforeseen gains. As was the case with Major League Baseball's coronavirus negotiations, this has the potential to get ugly in a hurry. It is mind boggling that the process was not ramped up sooner.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reports it's "very likely" the preseason is only one game. The league has been lobbying for two games, with the NFLPA requesting zero. It appears they are ready to meet in the middle. Of course, the decision might still ultimately not be up to them. With the coronavirus pandemic currently out of control in large swaths of the country, predicting what things might look like a month from now is tough.

SOURCE: Profootballtalk on NBCSports.com

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the Chiefs have informed rookies and quarterbacks they are still expected to report to training camp on Monday. ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the same is true of the Texans. As Pelissero reports, the league and union have yet to come to agreement on camp protocols, but the Chiefs have the power under the CBA to mandate reporting. It's unclear if the union will tell its member Chiefs to go along with the edict. It is embarrassing that camp is so close and the league has yet to iron out so many important details. This is not close to settled.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

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Now is the time for the NFLPA to grow a pair.

[adkindo]

Here's the article. Widespread sexual harassment.

https://outline.com/nCZWS5

So people, will get fires/sued. Payouts will happen. They MIGHT force Synder to sell. I thought this was going to be bigger.

It is not good....but they oversold the news with all of the leaks. I needed confirmation that Snyder was a vampire or they were using child slave labor to clean the equipment under the stadium to live up to the hype out there before the story.

[Spanky]

It is not good....but they oversold the news with all of the leaks. I needed confirmation that Snyder was a vampire or they were using child slave labor to clean the equipment under the stadium to live up to the hype out there before the story.

15 separate sexual assault cases over 20 years is pretty serious if you ask me.

[Boston Red]

But it's not 15 sexual assault cases. That WOULD be really bad. Not that this is good, but it's not that.

[Kingspoint]

But it's not 15 sexual assault cases. That WOULD be really bad. Not that this is good, but it's not that.

With non-disclosures, we'll never know about 14 of them.

[JaxRed]

I can't see how Goodell doesn't go down with Snyder.

He won't.

[RichRed]

It is not good....but they oversold the news with all of the leaks. I needed confirmation that Snyder was a vampire or they were using child slave labor to clean the equipment under the stadium to live up to the hype out there before the story.

I can confirm that Snyder is a vampire. He’s been draining my lifeforce for 20 years.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

In coordinated Twitter postings Sunday afternoon, a host of NFL players criticized the league's coronavirus plan. More specifically, the league's lack of a plan. "If the NFL doesn’t do their part to keep players healthy there is no football in 2020," were the words of Drew Brees, amongst many others. Players from J.J. Watt to Russell Wilson took part in the effort. In Watt's post, he said players still do not know how a positive COVID-19 test will be handled, or how the league might handle opt-outs. The league is still trying to claim players will report as usual this week, but the number of unresolved critical issues is massive.

SOURCE: J.J. Watt on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reports the league's latest proposal to the NFLPA includes one preseason game. Don't confuse the league's wilting proposal from two preseason games to one as "progress". The players still want the preseason replaced altogether with a longer acclimation period in order to fully prepare for the regular season and aren't likely to agree to anything less. The proposed preseason game would also take place on August 27, which would deter from the NFLPA's request for a full 21 days for strength and conditioning. The Chiefs and Texans are expected to report on Monday amid negotiations.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld with Rotoworld comments:

The NFL accepted the NFLPA's demand of zero preseason games ahead of the 2020 season. This is a gigantic step towards having the season start on time. The NFL has slowly inched towards the NFLPA's side of this argument, initially requesting two preseason games, then down to one and now agreeing to none. This will allow for a longer acclimation and strength and conditioning period for players once arriving at team facilities, as teams can now take their time to practice rather than prepare for games. Still, you have to feel for fringe NFL talents who simply won't have the opportunity to put their game on tape for other teams to see in the hopes of maximizing their opportunities. Think of names like Victor Cruz, or even recently Raheem Mostert, as players who have greatly benefited from preseason action.

SOURCE: Adam Schefter on Twitter

[Stray]

Insane that Alex Smith has been cleared for football activity and contact. I don't know if he'll ever play another down, but if he does that's the craziest injury comeback ever. In any sport, at least that I know of.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

In a conversation on the Buccaneers' plans for handling the coronavirus, coach Bruce Arians stated "the players, they’re going to all get sick, that’s for sure.” “It’s just a matter of how sick they get,” Arians continued. "We’ve got to be careful." This season will be unlike any other. Positive cases will be confirmed, and it appears the NFL will attempt to power through them with a multi-week quarantine for impacted players and staff members - and a larger practice squad to pick replacements from. Arians is a three-time cancer survivor and took measures to aid his health even before this offseason, including riding a golf cart during practice and handing play calling responsibilities to Byron Leftwich. Arians, at 67 years old, is at higher risk than other coaches around the league. As is safeties coach Nick Rapone (64) and quarterbacks coach Clyde Christensen (64). “It’s the team that adapts and has the most discipline, they’re going to win,” Arians concluded. This level of honesty is appreciated, but also chilling.

SOURCE: Tampa Bay Times

[Kingspoint]

Bills' rookies all sent home after five confirmed cases.

Many other players confirmed.

Why does Goodell remind me of a ringleader of a circus? "Folks look over here! Now look over here! Don't look there! Look over here!"

[adkindo]

Veteran RB LeSean McCoy reaches deal with Bucs (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29566452/veteran-rb-lesean-mccoy-reaches-deal-bucs)

not 100% sure he is on the 53 man roster....

[texasdave]

Darqueze Dennard is now a dirty bird: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29587838/falcons-sign-cb-darqueze-dennard-months-jaguars-deal-falls-through


Dennard was one of the Bengals' most effective defensive backs in 2019, leading the team in catch rate allowed below expectation at 16.3%, according to NFL Next Gen Stats. Overall, he allowed just 16 completions on 36 targets last season.

[adkindo]

Leonard Fournette agrees to deal with Tampa Bay Buccaneers (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29796871/leonard-fournette-agrees-deal-bucs-source-says)

[RiverRat13]

DeShaun Watson will get close to $40mm per year with his new extension.

Good for Watson as he deserves it. But as QB salaries skyrocket, I wonder if there is a point where the union thinks about agreeing to max salaries for individual players. With a salary cap, there is obviously a fixed number that teams can spend. It doesn't seems very uniony to have one member take up so much of the pool that is collectively bargained.

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[adkindo]

I hate cut day! Less this season, but you get all these stories out of camp about long shot guys showing out....undrafted rookies turning heads....guys that may break out...then bam, you realize 53 spots on a football team is just not a lot. One by one, many of those names begin to show up on the cut list

[JaxRed]

DeShaun Watson will get close to $40mm per year with his new extension.

Good for Watson as he deserves it. But as QB salaries skyrocket, I wonder if there is a point where the union thinks about agreeing to max salaries for individual players. With a salary cap, there is obviously a fixed number that teams can spend. It doesn't seems very uniony to have one member take up so much of the pool that is collectively bargained.

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The rank and file are crazy to not do this. If they capped any one player from making more than 20 million, in this case that's 19 million to spread among 52 players. Or an extra $363K per player. The bottom of the roster is making about $600K. So a 50% pay increase.

[adkindo]

The rank and file are crazy to not do this. If they capped any one player from making more than 20 million, in this case that's 19 million to spread among 52 players. Or an extra $363K per player. The bottom of the roster is making about $600K. So a 50% pay increase.

I find the problem with max salaries within a salary cap is teams usually will just go to the extremes, and there is not a ton of "middle class" guys. Look at the NBA, each year it gets closer to guys making the max or minimum on rosters....and in the NBA it has resulted in far too many guys making max or near max money. That arbitrary number just has a way of causing anyone that is above average demanding it, and teams far to comfortable giving it....leaving more guys on minimum or near minimum salaries. I would think the harder cap of the NFL could even be more problematic.

[JaxRed]

Josh Rosen went unclaimed. He'll now be able to choose a team from (hopefully) competing active or practice squads. He needs to chose carefully. If this next one fails he may be out of the league. I would think Jags might offer him a Practice Squad spot. (But have heard no rumors)

[adkindo]

Mike Garafolo
@MikeGarafolo

The #Buccaneers are signing QB Josh Rosen to their practice squad, sources tell me and @TomPelissero. Rosen talked to teams that had openings on their active roster but with guaranteed $$ in his pocket already, went with the best fit in Tampa.

1:40 PM · Sep 6, 2020

[JaxRed]

Tampa makes a lot of sense.

[adkindo]

Tampa makes a lot of sense.

yeah, if they like him, he can maybe take over the backup or #3 spot next season, learn from the GOAT with at least a chance to take over for Brady.

[adkindo]

I thought maybe Jax would take a look at Kap this season....but then camp came and I guess they were not interested

[adkindo]

Rams, CB Jalen Ramsey agree to five-year, $105M contract, agent says (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29844575/rams-cb-jalen-ramsey-agree-five-year-105m-contract-agent-says)


The Los Angeles Rams and Jalen Ramsey have agreed to terms on a five-year, $105 million extension that is the largest contract ever for a cornerback, agent David Mulugheta told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Ramsey becomes the first defensive back in NFL history to sign a deal worth over $100 million, and his $71.2 million at signing is the largest guarantee to a defensive back.

[Boston Red]

I thought maybe Jax would take a look at Kap this season....but then camp came and I guess they were not interested

According to EA Sports he's better than both Brady and Cam, so you think the Jags would like to have a QB like that.

[adkindo]

According to EA Sports he's better than both Brady and Cam, so you think the Jags would like to have a QB like that.

better than half of the NFL starters from the article I read...and @ 81, he is 5 points better than he was when he last was on a roster 4 years ago when he was a 76! There is a petition to add Bobby Boucher to the game as a edge rusher! It would be less of a joke than rating Kap with a score of 81.

https://i.gifer.com/3Y8t.gif

[Kingspoint]

So, the Chiefs have won something like 27 of their last 30 games against AFC West opponents. Nothing should change this season for the NFL Champions as they go 6-0. With that confidence and easy Division schedule, they shoulad at least go 7-3 in their other games and earn home-field advantage through most, if not all, of the playoffs in the AFC.

[Boston Red]

I'm surprised the Chiefs o/u on wins is only 11.5. Seems too easy. Unfortunately, in my experience when a bet seems too easy it usually ends up going the other way!

[Kingspoint]

I'm surprised the Chiefs o/u on wins is only 11.5. Seems too easy. Unfortunately, in my experience when a bet seems too easy it usually ends up going the other way!

You don't win if they only play 11 games.

But, let's say that it's conditional that they play 16 games (which, of course, it is), then they only have to go 6-4 in those other games. Seems pretty easy when you look at those 10 games.

HOU, BAL, NEP, BUF, NYJ, CAR, TAM, MIA, NOS, ATL.

Say, they beat ATL, MIA, NYJ and CAR.

That leaves them having to get two wins from HOU, BAL, NEP, BUF, TAM and NOS. No problem, right? I'd say, NEP and HOU.

[Kingspoint]

"Bets on long shots, on the other hand, are normally much smaller -- in the $25 range, and often made more as a novelty or souvenir than a serious wager. A $25 bet on the Cleveland Browns to win the Super Bowl, for example, has made for a great gag gift for years."

https://www.espn.com/chalk/story/_/id/29845772/bengals-winning-no-1-seed-make-millionaire

[adkindo]

I'm surprised the Chiefs o/u on wins is only 11.5. Seems too easy. Unfortunately, in my experience when a bet seems too easy it usually ends up going the other way!

I hate those bets....the bookmaker gets to hold your money for months. I get if you are a serious gambler and can drop a decent amount on a long bet....but I am more of a small wager, immediate gratification amateur gambler. I prefer to bet on events that I will know the outcome within 72ish hours. I will collect my $20! ;)

[adkindo]

You don't win if they only play 11 games.

But, let's say that it's conditional that they play 16 games (which, of course, it is), then they only have to go 6-4 in those other games. Seems pretty easy when you look at those 10 games.

HOU, BAL, NEP, BUF, NYJ, CAR, TAM, MIA, NOS, ATL.

Say, they beat ATL, MIA, NYJ and CAR.

That leaves them having to get two wins from HOU, BAL, NEP, BUF, TAM and NOS. No problem, right? I'd say, NEP and HOU.

now, Mahomes breaks his thumb and is out for 3 Weeks? Kelce or Hill have a real injury and miss games? All that has to be included into the odds. I would guess that number moves up to 12.5 if there was a guarantee that those 3 guys would play all 16 games. Also....every DC on their schedule has had months to break down their film from last year and scheme to try to slow them down....and probably spent more time on them that most other teams on their schedule. I would not be surprised if their offense is a little less dominant this season simply for the reason so much time will have been spent of trying to slow them down in the offseason.

[adkindo]

not use to seeing the Chiefs with these long drives and controlling the clock. I do not think it is by accident either....play calling have been much more conservative than the previous two seasons.

[ScotlandRed]

https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1304164143457611777?s=21

No fan of Skip Bayless, and this only enhances that.

[Slyder]

https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1304164143457611777?s=21

No fan of Skip Bayless, and this only enhances that.

Skip is a piece of trash wanna be nicely dressed version of Howard Stern, he's a big reason why I don't watch pretty much anything ESPN/FS1 news related. He should be embarrassed by half of what he says on a daily basis.

[Kingspoint]

now, Mahomes breaks his thumb and is out for 3 Weeks? Kelce or Hill have a real injury and miss games? All that has to be included into the odds. I would guess that number moves up to 12.5 if there was a guarantee that those 3 guys would play all 16 games. Also....every DC on their schedule has had months to break down their film from last year and scheme to try to slow them down....and probably spent more time on them that most other teams on their schedule. I would not be surprised if their offense is a little less dominant this season simply for the reason so much time will have been spent of trying to slow them down in the offseason.

...and they crush HOU, one of the six "tough" games on their schedule, and it only takes them two quarters to do it. They didn't even have to throw a pass to Kelce in the 2nd Half.

[Boston Red]

https://twitter.com/lthomasnews/status/1304164143457611777?s=21

No fan of Skip Bayless, and this only enhances that.

The most ridiculous thing about the clip is the fact that this show exists.

[adkindo]

...and they crush HOU, one of the six "tough" games on their schedule, and it only takes them two quarters to do it. They didn't even have to throw a pass to Kelce in the 2nd Half.

only time will tell how "tough" Houston is this season....I did not see a playoff team last night when watching Houston.

[adkindo]

The most ridiculous thing about the clip is the fact that this show exists.

I was happy when I found out he was exiting First Take....then they replaced him with someone maybe even more repulsive.

[Kingspoint]

only time will tell how "tough" Houston is this season....I did not see a playoff team last night when watching Houston.

Watson is not polished, and is apt to have bad games. Their gameplan of ignoring Cobb amd Woods (hampered) didn't help when they knew they had to score a lot of points (over 44 to win as K.C. took the foot off the pedal in the 2nd half). Watson and the Offense will find themsleves. David Johnson's league-low yards-after-contact the last three years seems to be over, and when they get back to passing the ball 45 times per game, he'll have fewer touches which will keep him fresher.

[Bob Sheed]

I have a theory about Sports Talk shows during the day.

No one actually watches them. Not actively anyway. But bars, restaurants, office lobbies, fitness centers, etc leave them on all day and that drives ratings up.

But no one is really watching it. Maybe Youtube clips of it.

Thoughts?

[adkindo]

I have a theory about Sports Talk shows during the day.

No one actually watches them. Not actively anyway. But bars, restaurants, office lobbies, fitness centers, etc leave them on all day and that drives ratings up.

But no one is really watching it. Maybe Youtube clips of it.

Thoughts?

Those places you listed are considered out of home viewers, and they literally were never included in the ratings until last month. If you look at daily ratings in July 2020 and August 2020, there is a material increase for the cable news channels across the board because of the change....I assume ESPN got some level of bump also.

[Bob Sheed]

Those places you listed are considered out of home viewers, and they literally were never included in the ratings until last month. If you look at daily ratings in July 2020 and August 2020, there is a material increase for the cable news channels across the board because of the change....I assume ESPN got some level of bump also.

Well, maybe my theory is wrong then.

Every time I am waiting in some office or wherever and that stuff is on tv, I am baffled as to who their audience is. It's like diarrhea, just pouring out of the screen and speakers.

[WrongVerb]

I can't stand sports talk shows. I haven't watched or listened to one in ages, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything in my life.

[Betterread]

Kamara and the Saintsi and Dalvin Cook with the Vikes each sign5 yr deals ( although Cook’s deal is really 3 years 28 mil with an option for the last two).
A lot to pay for RBs.

[adkindo]

I can't stand sports talk shows. I haven't watched or listened to one in ages, and I don't feel like I'm missing anything in my life.

I love the ESPNU channel (maybe it is ESPN College?) on Sirius/XM throughout the day...especially in football and basketball season. I also like Clay Travis on FoxSports radio depending on the season/subject, and while I am no longer a regular listener, I enjoy shows like Dan Patrick and Jim Rome...again depending on the season and subject. It is all audio though....do not like watching.

[adkindo]

Kamara and the Saintsi and Dalvin Cook with the Vikes each sign5 yr deals ( although Cook’s deal is really 3 years 28 mil with an option for the last two).
A lot to pay for RBs.

also, the Saints are supposedly going into cap hell after this season....and that was before the Kamara extension. Not sure how they will make it work.

[adkindo]

Well, maybe my theory is wrong then.

Every time I am waiting in some office or wherever and that stuff is on tv, I am baffled as to who their audience is. It's like diarrhea, just pouring out of the screen and speakers.

and I was not trying to be a know it all...there is literally no reason I know that except I heard a detailed discussion about it last week on the radio while driving. I also had assumed the ratings were all inclusive at least in regards to cable tv services, but "enterprise" and "business" accounts were not included before recently. I think they are still trying to figure out how to pick up some streaming and other methods in 2020 that are not included.

[Kingspoint]

also, the Saints are supposedly going into cap hell after this season....and that was before the Kamara extension. Not sure how they will make it work.

Brees' contract will be gone.

Like the 49er's, Cowboys and Patriots, they always find a way.

[adkindo]

Todd Gurley looks smaller as a Falcon....assume he lost weight to try to reduce injuries.

[adkindo]

I get it...it is 1 half of football....but the Jags do not look like the dumpster fire everyone predicted....

[RedTeamGo!]

Speaking of dumpster fires: The Cleveland Browns are still covered in garbage and engulfed in flames.

[adkindo]

Jags with the first big upset of the day....knocking off the Colts 27-20...

[RiverRat13]

Quite a collapse by Philly.

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[JaxRed]

Jags with the first big upset of the day....knocking off the Colts 27-20...

Minshew magic baby !!!

[adkindo]

Quite a collapse by Philly.

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just an ugly game from looking at the boxscore....Washington Football Club have never lost a game!

[adkindo]

Minshew magic baby !!!

call me when he is able to complete 100% of his passes....btw, did not know Ryquell Armstead was on COVID reserve list....was looking forward to watching him

[JaxRed]

call me when he is able to complete 100% of his passes....btw, did not know Ryquell Armstead was on COVID reserve list....was looking forward to watching him

Well he was 19/20........................................ with a drop !!

[adkindo]

Bears with a big comeback to upset the Lions...

[adkindo]

The GOAT is on the field...

[adkindo]

The GOAT is on the field...

and he rushes for a TD on his first drive as a Buc!!

[Kingspoint]

Mostert continues to make it look easy, though the Cardinals were one of the five worst Defenses in the NFL last season.

[Kingspoint]

and he rushes for a TD on his first drive as a Buc!!

He has about an 85% success rate in his career needing 1 yard on 4th down or goal. That was 2 yards, but same results.

[Kingspoint]

Deandre Hopkins!!!

[Kingspoint]

Brady is very below average now at this point in his career.

[WVRed]

Brady is very below average now at this point in his career.

Looks like NE got to keep the refs in the Brady-Belichick divorce.

[adkindo]

Brady is very below average now at this point in his career.

how about we revisit that statement in 5 or 6 weeks? The guy did not play well, but it was his first game with a new team for the first time in 20 years with zero preseason game. I am not guaranteeing that will not be the conclusion, but it is way too early to may such as claim about the greatest to ever do it.

[adkindo]

Looks like NE got to keep the refs in the Brady-Belichick divorce.

well, they sure did not follow Brady to New Orleans! There were bad calls that went both ways, but the PI call that gave the Saints their 2nd TD was a poor call, and really damaged the Bucs more than just the 6 points.

[adkindo]

have to do this cleanse.....as a Bucs fan, watching the game today felt an awful lot like watching a Reds game! Guys just not performing up to their ability, and shooting themselves in the foot every time they began to advance.

Bruce Arians - I am probably in the minority as a Bucs fan, but I have never been a big fan of Arians and will not be upset when he decides to retire and exit Tampa Bay. I think a lot of what took place on the field today in regards to the penalties is the direct result of a coach that is far more concerned about his image than he is in running a tight operation. This is not new for an Arians team....being Mr. Cool in camp has a price, and the price is a team that lacks discipline. I think Arians is an offensive genius and I know he has had success as a head coach, but the reason he does not have a Lombardi Trophy is because he really is an OC masquerading as a HC. I have heard players refer to Bill Belichick with many descriptions, but "cool" has never been one of them.

Byron Leftwich - He took over the play calling last season, and had one of the most productive offenses in the NFL. Today really highlighted how having a strong armed Winston throwing bombs almost every down to the best WR tandem in the NFL allows a non-elite play caller to pile up tons of yards/points. The play calling today was a joke.....it is like he did not have an understanding of his own players and never scouted the Saints. The pass plays and route trees that were being run were not conducive to Brady's strengths, and the routes (from what I could see) did not fit what Godwin and Evans excel at on an individual basis. There were a few good plays for Godwin on crossing patterns, but you have to give it to Evans on his back shoulder, or up high and allow him to go get it. Some of that was likely on Brady, but again many of the routes did not appear to be timing routes where Evans is the initial progression. Maybe someone should have told Leftwich that it is not easy to run on the Saints defense, especially between the tackles! I get you have to from time to time to keep the defense honest, but there were more than a handful of possessions where Leftwich called basic dives off the Guard on 1st and 2nd down that gained a yard or two...resulting in 3rd and long. It is just dumb....nobody is going to beat the Saints running into the teeth of that defense more than once or twice on a multiple 1st down possession. Rojo was running hard, but often running into a brick wall play after play.

Brady - He was not sharp. He has not had the strongest arm for several years, but his arm appeared strong enough....just did not appear to have command of the offense. It appears the first interception that was a miscommunication between him and Evans was actually on Brady. The 2nd interception was on Brady, but not an idea play for Brady to be running in the first place....a deep out from the boundary hash to the field sideline. It takes a Winston level arm to have enough zip on that ball. Early in the game the Bucs set up a screen to Rojo and if Brady makes a nice pass, Rojo is probably still running. Brady just missed several throws. Finally, I get Brady always had the smaller slot receiver....often viewed as the short white receiver....in New England, but that is not the best path in Tampa Bay. Scotty Miller is a nice little receiver, but as a 6th Round pick from Bowling Green that is not half as talented as Evans and Godwin, he should never lead this team in targets, receptions or yards unless the other team is not defending him. Miller can make a play here and there, but the odds of something big happening by getting the ball in Evans or Godwins hands are far greater than getting it to Miller.

Other Offense - Donovan Smith is usually an average Left Tackle. He has complained a lot this offseason about COVID and I think this is his last year under contract....but in general had a bad attitude recently. Tonight he literally missed his block multiple times causing plays to get blown up. Not sure if the two are related, but he needs to be dealt with immediately. OJ Howard needs to be more involved in the passing game....he can make things happen. Fournette clearly was not comfortable in the offense yet....often appeared hesitant with the ball and did not trust the play to develop in front of him. Get the ball to Evans and Godwin...often.

Special Teams - Do not understand why you have Ryan Succop out there attempting a 54 yard FG. Arians cut Gay last week who could hit those in his sleep....but wanted Succop because while his leg is much weaker, he can be counted of from 40 yards and in....so again, why is he out there trying to kick a 54 yard FG? KO and Punt coverage both need tightened up. I am not sure what Mike Edwards was trying to accomplish on the KO Return when he ran into Mickens and cause the fumble....nor do I care at this point. I would cut Edwards....guy has been a bust since we drafted him last year, and now he is screwing up special teams.

Defense - Played well....most of the scoring was a result of turnovers and poor field position. The only really bad play was Jamel Dean blowing the coverage on the Saints TE Jared Cook, allowing him to be wide open for a 46 yard completion, and then they allowed Kamara to get loose on a long screen play. Carlton Davis basically shut down Michael Thomas, and Sanders was kept in check by the secondary. The Saints run game was mostly shut down by the front 7. I think David and White are as good as any two inside LB's in the league....and Barrett and JPP coming off the edges are a nightmare for offenses. This loss was not on the defense as the Saints had under 270 yards of offense.

I went into the game optimistic, but even I knew it would be difficult to get out of New Orleans with a win. Still, not feeling great about this team because of the way we lost. I do not see the penalties and mistakes all disappearing in Week 2....nor do I see Leftwich suddenly not calling idiotic plays. The good news in the Panthers are not the Saints, but Brady needs to come to the realization very soon that the only path for this team to win a bunch of games is to get the ball into the hands of Evans, Godwin and Howard as much as possible!

[Kingspoint]

how about we revisit that statement in 5 or 6 weeks? The guy did not play well, but it was his first game with a new team for the first time in 20 years with zero preseason game. I am not guaranteeing that will not be the conclusion, but it is way too early to may such as claim about the greatest to ever do it.

I was speaking about what he looked like the entire season last year and for half a year before that. This one game only continues that downward trend.

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean, Brady is like 50 years old. He looked it yesterday and last year.

[adkindo]

I was speaking about what he looked like the entire season last year and for half a year before that. This one game only continues that downward trend.

I think the Brady we saw yesterday was not the Brady we have seen in New England in recent years, mostly last year. Last year, Brady never appeared to not have command of the offense, and at times last season we saw what appeared to be a steep decline in velocity on his passes. Yesterday, I saw a QB that did not have command of the offense to the level where he could just play and his progressions looked natural....which I guess is expected. Also, I thought his arm strength was fine yesterday and looked stronger than last year. His arm strength has clearly diminished from his best years, but nothing drastic like Brees.

Brees arm looked so bad yesterday in my opinion, I would not be shocked if the Saints set him down the stretch to try to save some of it for the playoffs. He really only went downfield a handful of times, and only completed the pass to the wide open TE on blown coverage. The headlines this morning about Brees besting Brady are very misleading in my opinion, as the Saints offense was very poor....and this is an offense that has pretty much been in tact for several years. Sean Payton did well scheming to squeeze something out of it, but he was forced to break out trick/gimmick plays in Week 1 to move the ball. Logic would suggest a veteran offense that has played together for a long period is only going to marginally improve throughout the season, and I am not sure how far the Saints can get this year with Brees inability to throw downfield. They will likely be able to run the ball better against other teams because the Bucs run defense is the best in the NFL.

[RichRed]

Also, in the limited number of plays I was able to see, it looked like Gronk was running with cement shoes on.

[adkindo]

Also, in the limited number of plays I was able to see, it looked like Gronk was running with cement shoes on.

Brady/Arians will feed him the ball a couple times a game to keep him engaged, but Gronk is not a primary option in this team. He is mostly out there to help Wirfs on the right side of the line blocking, and as a mentor to Howard.

[RedTeamGo!]

Brady/Arians will feed him the ball a couple times a game to keep him engaged, but Gronk is not a primary option in this team. He is mostly out there to help Wirfs on the right side of the line blocking, and as a mentor to Howard.

Something I’ve been curious about for awhile:

With there being 3 teams in Florida how does the fandom work out geographically? The cities obviously, but how does it work with the rest of the state? Do people in like Orlando just pick a team they like an go with it?

[adkindo]

Colts lose RB Marlon Mack for season due to torn Achilles, source says (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29885060/colts-lose-rb-marlon-mack-torn-achilles-source-says)

[adkindo]

Something I’ve been curious about for awhile:

With there being 3 teams in Florida how does the fandom work out geographically? The cities obviously, but how does it work with the rest of the state? Do people in like Orlando just pick a team they like an go with it?

I am not sure there is an exact science to it. First, the most popular team in Florida is still the Dolphins, but that fan base outside Miami is basically dying off. The Bucs showed up in Tampa in the late 70's, but were irrelevant until the '90's and Dan Marino was a football god in the 1980's and early 90's. So basically, Miami locked in those Florida fans through the 70's & 80's, but they are aging out. Orlando is probably mostly split between the Bucs and Jags for fans under 60 years old....maybe the Buc's have a 60/40 split. Orlando is a little closer to Tampa than Jacksonville....maybe as you get to Daytona Beach and north it begins to trend Jacksonville. Within the cities, Miami is still the best fan base as they stick with the Dolphins through winning and losing....while Tampa and Jacksonville have been a little more there for the winning, less for the losing. In Miami, the Marlins and the Heat are afterthoughts compared to the Dolphins.

As with everything in Florida, 1,000's of new sports fans move here weekly and have their own favorite team....so there are strong pockets of Patriots, Bills, Giants, Eagles, Bears, etc. fans throughout the state. I know of sports bars in Orlando that cater to Patriots/Red Sox fans....and Giants/Yankees (to a lesser extent Mets/Jets) fans. Although the fan base for local teams has gotten stronger since I was a teenager in the 90's, it is still a complicated and tough market because of the constant influx of new residents from the North. The difference is when I was in high school, there was only 1 kid on my football team that was born in Florida.....now I would guess nearly half of the local high school team was born in Florida and more likely developed into a fan of Florida teams.

[RedTeamGo!]

I am not sure there is an exact science to it. First, the most popular team in Florida is still the Dolphins, but that fan base outside Miami is basically dying off. The Bucs showed up in Tampa in the late 70's, but were irrelevant until the '90's and Dan Marino was a football god in the 1980's and early 90's. So basically, Miami locked in those Florida fans through the 70's & 80's, but they are aging out. Orlando is probably mostly split between the Bucs and Jags for fans under 60 years old....maybe the Buc's have a 60/40 split. Orlando is a little closer to Tampa than Jacksonville....maybe as you get to Daytona Beach and north it begins to trend Jacksonville. Within the cities, Miami is still the best fan base as they stick with the Dolphins through winning and losing....while Tampa and Jacksonville have been a little more there for the winning, less for the losing. In Miami, the Marlins and the Heat are afterthoughts compared to the Dolphins.

As with everything in Florida, 1,000's of new sports fans move here weekly and have their own favorite team....so there are strong pockets of Patriots, Bills, Giants, Eagles, Bears, etc. fans throughout the state. I know of sports bars in Orlando that cater to Patriots/Red Sox fans....and Giants/Yankees (to a lesser extent Mets/Jets) fans. Although the fan base for local teams has gotten stronger since I was a teenager in the 90's, it is still a complicated and tough market because of the constant influx of new residents from the North. The difference is when I was in high school, there was only 1 kid on my football team that was born in Florida.....now I would guess nearly half of the local high school team was born in Florida and more likely developed into a fan of Florida teams.

What an interesting state with regard to demographics.

When I lived in Charlotte it was very similar with all the northern transplants.

I remember going to a Panthers/Giants Monday night football game and it being like 75% New York fans.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

NFL executive Troy Vincent said there would be "accountability measures" imposed on teams whose coaches or staffers didn't adhere to mask-wearing protocols during games. Vincent said the league would come down on teams or individual coaches or staff for not wearing masks that cover the mouth and nose during games. It wasn't uncommon to see team employees on the sidelines of Sunday's games lower their masks while talking or shouting to players on the field. Vincent offered fair warning. We could see the NFL take action against teams for continued violations of face covering policies in the coming weeks.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter


The first person who comes to mind is Jon Gruden, who didn't wear his mask the entire game.

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I think the Brady we saw yesterday was not the Brady we have seen in New England in recent years, mostly last year. Last year, Brady never appeared to not have command of the offense, and at times last season we saw what appeared to be a steep decline in velocity on his passes. Yesterday, I saw a QB that did not have command of the offense to the level where he could just play and his progressions looked natural....which I guess is expected. Also, I thought his arm strength was fine yesterday and looked stronger than last year. His arm strength has clearly diminished from his best years, but nothing drastic like Brees.

Brees arm looked so bad yesterday in my opinion, I would not be shocked if the Saints set him down the stretch to try to save some of it for the playoffs. He really only went downfield a handful of times, and only completed the pass to the wide open TE on blown coverage. The headlines this morning about Brees besting Brady are very misleading in my opinion, as the Saints offense was very poor....and this is an offense that has pretty much been in tact for several years. Sean Payton did well scheming to squeeze something out of it, but he was forced to break out trick/gimmick plays in Week 1 to move the ball. Logic would suggest a veteran offense that has played together for a long period is only going to marginally improve throughout the season, and I am not sure how far the Saints can get this year with Brees inability to throw downfield. They will likely be able to run the ball better against other teams because the Bucs run defense is the best in the NFL.

He's going to improve and adjust. He's too smart. He'll be like Peyton Manning's next to last season.

[WVRed]

I think the Brady we saw yesterday was not the Brady we have seen in New England in recent years, mostly last year. Last year, Brady never appeared to not have command of the offense, and at times last season we saw what appeared to be a steep decline in velocity on his passes. Yesterday, I saw a QB that did not have command of the offense to the level where he could just play and his progressions looked natural....which I guess is expected. Also, I thought his arm strength was fine yesterday and looked stronger than last year. His arm strength has clearly diminished from his best years, but nothing drastic like Brees.

Brees arm looked so bad yesterday in my opinion, I would not be shocked if the Saints set him down the stretch to try to save some of it for the playoffs. He really only went downfield a handful of times, and only completed the pass to the wide open TE on blown coverage. The headlines this morning about Brees besting Brady are very misleading in my opinion, as the Saints offense was very poor....and this is an offense that has pretty much been in tact for several years. Sean Payton did well scheming to squeeze something out of it, but he was forced to break out trick/gimmick plays in Week 1 to move the ball. Logic would suggest a veteran offense that has played together for a long period is only going to marginally improve throughout the season, and I am not sure how far the Saints can get this year with Brees inability to throw downfield. They will likely be able to run the ball better against other teams because the Bucs run defense is the best in the NFL.

It’s chemistry. New QB on a new team. No preseason, no training camp. To be honest I’m surprised all of the teams have been as sharp as they have been.

And to boot, Drew Brees and the Saints on the road in week one. Had it not been for the christening of the monstrosity in LA, Tom Brady’s Tampa debut would have likely been in prime time last night.

Brady will get it. I still think Brees and the Saints win the division but I’m sticking to my LeBron/Lakers comparison. It’ll be next year before you see how it really works out due to building chemistry with the players and coaching staff.

[Kingspoint]

Burrow was better than Brady yesterday.

[Revering4Blue]

Colts lose RB Marlon Mack for season due to torn Achilles, source says (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29885060/colts-lose-rb-marlon-mack-torn-achilles-source-says)

It sucks. But we now get an early extended look at Jonathan Taylor.

[Kingspoint]

It sucks. But we now get an early extended look at Jonathan Taylor.

Who looked great yesterday, while Rivers was methodical in his execution.

[Revering4Blue]

The Bucs showed up in Tampa in the late 70's, but were irrelevant until the '90's

Largely irrevelevant, yes.

But they were two points away from a Super Bowl birth in '79-'80, and were a playoff mainstay, gaining significant momentum with Florida fans, during their '79-'82 run with the LeRoy Selmon - Doug Williams core. Then, following the shortened strike season of '82, their then-miserable excuse for an owner decided that it was really easy to replace Williams, allowing him to head to the USFL. After that, they made too many organizational/personnel miscues, leading to a long period of futility, and their fan base throughout the state dwindled.

Placing this into perspective, then owner, Hugh Culverhouse post '82 made '90's Mike Brown look like Jerry Jones. IIRC, it was several years into the Glazer ownership-era until they began the path back to respectability and contention.

[Kingspoint]

The NFL said yesterday that two players and five staff tested positive for COVID-19 this weekend. Anyone hear who the players were?

[Bob Sheed]

"It never happened." -NFL

[Kingspoint]

Brady will get to look great against the inexperienced Panther Secondary this Sunday. Derek Carr did anything he absolutely wanted to do against them. As always, Carolina's Coaches will turn their Secondary into a very good one, but that takes even the best of Coaches a little bit of time. Brady is catching them at the right moment.

[Chip R]

Just announced on the game tonight: Joe Buck has won induction into the pro football HOF.

[WrongVerb]

Just announced on the game tonight: Joe Buck has won induction into the pro football HOF.

Deserves it. I can't stand the guy announcing baseball (I think he just doesn't like the game), but he's great as a football announcer.

[Kingspoint]

Tom Brady Not Sure How To Ask Coach For Tape Of Other Team’s Practice


https://sports.theonion.com/tom-brady-not-sure-how-to-ask-coach-for-tape-of-other-t-1845081851

[adkindo]

Deserves it. I can't stand the guy announcing baseball (I think he just doesn't like the game), but he's great as a football announcer.

I have no appreciation for anything he calls. Has always come off as self righteous to me. Also, I hate the whole nepotism thing in broadcasting, and Buck and his position is 99% unlikely if not for nepotism.

[blumj]

It's funny that TB12 is a TBB. Are alot of baseball fans live in Florida still fans of other teams who move there to avoid winter weather?



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[adkindo]

It's funny that TB12 is a TBB. Are alot of baseball fans live in Florida still fans of other teams who move there to avoid winter weather

The people that come to Florida for the winter only are likely to remain loyal to the team they have long supported if from the US, but US "snowbirds" are mostly a thing of the past outside higher net worth individuals. Much of the people that continue to live in Florida only for the winter are Canadian and very open to supporting FL sports teams. In regards to people moving permanently to Florida, weather has not been the common primary reason for decades, but even they are likely to remain loyal to their "hometown" team initially and often forever. It is their kids that will often begin to support a Florida team. I assume it would be the same for anyone moving anywhere, just probably not a noticeable in a state like Massachusetts which receives very little national migration.

[adkindo]

Love the sound of firing cannons in Tampa Bay!

[dubc47834]

Terrible day for injuries today!

[KoryMac5]

What is going on in Minny...

Zim is going to be feeling the heat as both sides of the ball look awful.

[Tony Cloninger]

Great choke job by Atlanta today.

[KoryMac5]

Great choke job by Atlanta today.

Brought back memories of Super Bowls past...

[Tony Cloninger]

Brought back memories of Super Bowls past...

The Falcons have been like the Bengals after the 1988 Super Bowl. Unable to recover.

[Bob Sheed]

Ravens seem to be the team to beat.

[RiverRat13]

Justin Herbert is putting a quick end to the Tyrod Taylor era for the Chargers.

[JaxRed]

Sep 13-19 2020. The Tyrod Taylor era.

[Kingspoint]

What is going on in Minny...

Zim is going to be feeling the heat as both sides of the ball look awful.

Their poor money management with bad contracts caught up to them. They gave Cousins way too much. They gave at least five Offensive Linemen way too much and all of them did not pan out. Their success on Defense required that they dish out big contracts to players too soon, so they had to let many of them go. Because of all of this, they couldn't use Free Agency this season, while last season, they were in purge mode, too, and couldn't use free agency then, either. As a result, they have an entire team of mediocre talent.

The General Manager, in his desire to win, spent poorly, and almost every one of their free agent contracts did not work out at all over the last five years.

[Kingspoint]

Justin Herbert is putting a quick end to the Tyrod Taylor era for the Chargers.

And, their Head Coach got upset with Reporters suggesting that Taylor doesn't still have the job.

Bottomline, Taylor will get hurt again and Herbert will get more chances this year. May be best for the franchise and Herbert. They aren't winning the Super Bowl or going to the playoffs this year, so may as well ease Herbert in. It's what the Bengals should be doing with Burrow since the Bengals decided to start the season with the worst Offensive Line in the NFL. Playing behind that line is not a positive in Burrrow's progression as an NFL player. Split the games with the other QB.

[Kingspoint]

Ravens seem to be the team to beat.

Seahawks. Russell Wilson can't be stopped. By the end of the season, the Seahawks Defense will improve to average, while their Running back who is better than Carson returns in a month.

[adkindo]

Source: Denver Broncos to sign QB Blake Bortles after Drew Lock injury (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29944475/source-denver-broncos-sign-qb-blake-bortles-drew-lock-injury)


With starting quarterback Drew Lock expected to miss three to five weeks with a shoulder injury, the Denver Broncos have agreed to terms with Blake Bortles on a one-year deal, a source told ESPN's Jeremy Fowler on Tuesday.

[Kingspoint]

In Week 2, seven teams won their game but didn't cover the point spread. That ties for the most ever in any week since 1966.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The NFL is handing out $600,000 in fines for improper mask usage in Monday night's game between the Raiders and Saints. Jon Gruden and Sean Payton join Vic Fangio, Pete Carroll and Kyle Shanahan in getting their teams/themselves fined. This has to be particularly galling for Gruden and Payton, who have both already endured COVID-19, but the league is dead serious about avoiding any MLB-style disasters as it plays out its 2020 season under the most fraught of circumstances. We would expect every coaching staff to have fallen in line by Week 3.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter

The NFL is fining the #Saints and #Raiders $250,000 each and coaches Sean Payton and Jon Gruden $100,000 each for failing to properly wear face coverings in the bench area Monday night, per source.

That brings the total to $1.75 million in total fines for violations in Week 2.

[WrongVerb]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

The Chargers’ team doctor accidentally punctured his own quarterback Tyrod Taylor’s lung just before kickoff Sunday while trying to administer a pain-killing injection to the quarterback’s cracked ribs, league and team sources told ESPN.
8:39am · 23 Sep 2020

[Boston Red]

Oops

[WrongVerb]

Oops

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/AnxiousWhiteGoldfinch-size_restricted.gif

[Kingspoint]

My spouse and I were just discussing over the weekend who you have a better chance of getting a shot from that works out well. A pharmacist herself, she said that she feels better from a Nurse simply because those that do it most often are less likely to screw it up. When you get your flu shots it is always a pharmacist that does it.

I think Tyrod Taylor just learned that it's better for a Nurse to give him a shot. That Doctor just got Taylor "Pipped", costing him possibly millions of dollars for next season. Maybe the Doctor is a Ducks fan.

With Herbert taking over, there's no going back to Taylor now. The public outcry would cost the Coach his job, or at least put a lot of pressure on him. This is Los Angeles, where public opinion matters.

[JaxRed]

Whether with Chargers or someone else, Taylor was never going to be anything but a backup or a transition QB. This doesn't cost him anything. Dude has made $54 million in his career. Being nothing but a placeholder. Do it a couple more years and retire all your faculties.

Hell, after this is over, and Herbert is the full time guy, I might hit Chargers up for a new 2 year backup deal.

[Kingspoint]

Whether with Chargers or someone else, Taylor was never going to be anything but a backup or a transition QB. This doesn't cost him anything. Dude has made $54 million in his career. Being nothing but a placeholder. Do it a couple more years and retire all your faculties.

Hell, after this is over, and Herbert is the full time guy, I might hit Chargers up for a new 2 year backup deal.

If he had put together 8-12 games as a Starter, he was going to get paid a lot more next season than if he ends up only starting 4 games this season. Even as a backup, he could command more.

[Kingspoint]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/chargers-tyrod-taylor-punctured-lung-202530914.html

Interesting article concerning the Tyrod Taylor/Team Physician screwup.

[Kingspoint]

Had to post this comment from Rotoworld in response to Andy Reid's comments:

Chiefs WR Sammy Watkins is in the league's concussion protocol. Watkins after the Chiefs' Week 2 win over the Chargers insisted he was fine after taking a head shot from Denzel Perryman in the fourth quarter. Head coach Andy Reid confirmed Thursday that Watkins is in the NFL's concussion protocol, adding that "it's more neck now than the other part." Presumably the other part is Watkins' brain. Watkins missing this week's Monday night game against Baltimore could open up more target for Mecole Hardman and Demarcus Robinson.

SOURCE: Adam Teicher on Twitter

[Kingspoint]

Could we see some Mercury Morris this weekend? Carolina is pretty stacked at Wide Receiver, better than most teams in the NFL. Moving Samuel to a RB role like Mercury Morris would be a really smart move, taking a lot of pressure off of having to rely on Bridgewater to win you games.

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

Panthers offensive coordinator Joe Brady said he wants to get Curtis Samuel more involved in the team's offense. In three years at Ohio State, Samuel logged 171 rushes and 106 receptions, and has five carries through two games this season, creating speculation that he could inherit some of Christian McCaffrey's rushing workload in the coming weeks. Panthers coaches, however, have been clear that Mike Davis is CMC's backup and will serve as the main ball carrier. That doesn't mean Brady can't devise new ways to manufacture touches for Samuel in what will likely be a pass-heavy game script this week against a tough Chargers defense. Samuel is a borderline flex in 14-team leagues this week.

SOURCE: Steve Reed on Twitter

[adkindo]

My spouse and I were just discussing over the weekend who you have a better chance of getting a shot from that works out well. A pharmacist herself, she said that she feels better from a Nurse simply because those that do it most often are less likely to screw it up. When you get your flu shots it is always a pharmacist that does it.

I think Tyrod Taylor just learned that it's better for a Nurse to give him a shot. That Doctor just got Taylor "Pipped", costing him possibly millions of dollars for next season. Maybe the Doctor is a Ducks fan.

With Herbert taking over, there's no going back to Taylor now. The public outcry would cost the Coach his job, or at least put a lot of pressure on him. This is Los Angeles, where public opinion matters.

The flu shot is an IM injection with a needle slightly bigger than an insulin injection....a 5 year old could be trained to administer in a few minutes, and is nearly impossible to do incorrectly. In contrast, a cortisone injection into into the rib area is a fairly complex injection, and as this example illustrates can easily go wrong. Honestly, I have never known of a nurse to perform that type of injection, and if they are allowed, I would assume it is specialized training they have received for their area of medicine. Some complex injections are only allowed to be performed by doctors, PA's and NP's....but I am not sure if an IM injection to the midsection is one of them.

[Kingspoint]

The flu shot is an IM injection with a needle slightly bigger than an insulin injection....a 5 year old could be trained to administer in a few minutes, and is nearly impossible to do incorrectly. In contrast, a cortisone injection into into the rib area is a fairly complex injection, and as this example illustrates can easily go wrong. Honestly, I have never known of a nurse to perform that type of injection, and if they are allowed, I would assume it is specialized training they have received for their area of medicine. Some complex injections are only allowed to be performed by doctors, PA's and NP's....but I am not sure if an IM injection to the midsection is one of them.

Uh....wrong on the simplicity of giving a flu shot.

The flu shot by the Pharmacist's is missed more than 10% of the time. A Nurse still misses 5% of the time. Missing means, missing the vein or going all the way through the vein (the usual miss).

True, a Nurse doesn't do the rib injections of cortisone, and I knew that when I posted it. I was just trying to emphasize that a Nurse gives shots more than anyone else and is thus, better at it for the more simple injections, like a flu shot.

That said, the previous Chargers Physician was sued by the players and was so bad that his surgical license was removed from him by the State of California. Doctors for Sports Teams have some of the worst morals of any physicians on the planet. They NEVER have the player's best interest in mind. It is always the team and they will lie to a player's face regarding what the team wants them to tell the player to protect their job.

People think that the Portland Trail Blazers always had "bad luck" when it came to injuries. It was never bad luck. It was their lead physicians' philosophy of how an NBA athlete should train and treat injuries that led to all of their above average non-contact injuries. Once they got rid of him after 20 years of him being in charge, their health miraculously got better, the last 18 months being an exception.

[adkindo]

Uh....wrong on the simplicity of giving a flu shot.

The flu shot by the Pharmacist's is missed more than 10% of the time. A Nurse still misses 5% of the time. Missing means, missing the vein or going all the way through the vein (the usual miss).

what are you talking about? The flu vaccine is not injected into a vein....it is an intramuscular injection with a 5/8" needle that is 23-25 gauge. It is given in the shoulder because there are no major nerves at that depth, and the only way to "miss" would be to miss the whole shoulder. I could give myself 1,000 flu shots blindfolded and never "miss".....

[Kingspoint]

what are you talking about? The flu vaccine is not injected into a vein....it is an intramuscular injection with a 5/8" needle that is 23-25 gauge. It is given in the shoulder because there are no major nerves at that depth, and the only way to "miss" would be to miss the whole shoulder. I could give myself 1,000 flu shots blindfolded and never "miss".....

I stand corrected. I was referring to shots that target the vein.

Just got my flu shot five minutes ago.

Had a lot of surgeries and given a lot of blood the last few years so I've just been recalling the shots to the vein. In my lifetime, medical personnel have missed the vein or overshot it 25% of the time. I just accept that it's a high probability that it may happen even though my veins are very visible.

[Chip R]

That said, the previous Chargers Physician was sued by the players and was so bad that his surgical license was removed from him by the State of California. Doctors for Sports Teams have some of the worst morals of any physicians on the planet. They NEVER have the player's best interest in mind. It is always the team and they will lie to a player's face regarding what the team wants them to tell the player to protect their job.

Very true. The doctor works for the team, not the players.

[adkindo]

I stand corrected. I was referring to shots that target the vein.

Just got my flu shot five minutes ago.

Had a lot of surgeries and given a lot of blood the last few years so I've just been recalling the shots to the vein. In my lifetime, medical personnel have missed the vein or overshot it 25% of the time. I just accept that it's a high probability that it may happen even though my veins are very visible.

yeah, it is night and day the skill required to hit a vein compared to a IM shoulder injection....I have not had a ton of IV's or injections that feed directly in the vein, but enough to where I have almost concluded it is a natural skill of some medical professionals....and some do not have it. They may be excellent patient care providers, just do not have that touch to hit the vein with ease. They know also....go to any floor nursing desk and ask who is the best at IV's and they will always say the same 1 or 2 names of nurses on that shift.

[WrongVerb]

Ryan Fitzpatrick enters record book in leading Miami Dolphins over Jacksonville Jaguars (https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/29966275/ryan-fitzpatrick-enters-record-book-leading-miami-dolphins-jacksonville-jaguars)


Fitzpatrick on Thursday night became the first NFL player since at least 1950 to record at least one victory for six different teams against a single opponent, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. It was an accomplishment only Fitzpatrick could achieve. After leading the visiting Miami Dolphins to a 31-13 victory at TIAA Bank Field, the well-traveled quarterback has now defeated the Jaguars as a member of the Dolphins, Cincinnati Bengals, Buffalo Bills, Tennessee Titans, Houston Texans and New York Jets.


He got his first start against the Jaguars in 2008, defeating them 21-19 as a member of the Bengals. Thus began an odyssey that would take him through Buffalo, which he led to a 34-18 victory over the Jaguars in 2012. The Titans welcomed Fitzpatrick in 2013 and were treated to a 20-16 victory in Week 16 of that season. He led the Texans to a 27-13 triumph in 2014 and, as a member of the Jets in 2015, engineered a 28-23 victory.

[adkindo]

are the Falcons imploding again?

[Kingspoint]

are the Falcons imploding again?

They can't stop the pass...unless Trubisky is throwing, thus his benching in the 3rd Quarter.

[WrongVerb]

The implosion is nearly complete.

[WrongVerb]

The implosion is complete.

FTFM

[Ohayou]

Any Josh Allen detractors out there still?

[Kingspoint]

Any Josh Allen detractors out there still?

I drafted him on my FFB team and started him Week 1 over Kyler Murray. Had him ranked 6th on my predraft lis (and Murray 3rd).

[JaxRed]

Does Adam Gase make it to Bye Week (Week 11) before getting fired?

[JaxRed]

Does Adam Gase make it to Bye Week (Week 11) before getting fired?

Just saw they play Thursday. So if they lose, they have a mini-bye this next week...

[RiverRat13]

I'm still looking for SD instead of LAC when scanning scores. I also triple take when I see LV.

[adkindo]

Does Adam Gase make it to Bye Week (Week 11) before getting fired?

Dan Quinn may be gone before Gase...

[Kingspoint]

Russell Wilson is gone

[Hillsdale87]

Russell Wilson is gone

What do you mean?


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[Kingspoint]

What do you mean?


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Good.

Auto-correct can be bad.

[Boston Red]

I guess Mahomes, Wilson and Jackson are just going to take turns winning MVP. Mahomes can certainly go a long way towards stepping up to be the one to challenge Wilson this year by beating Jackson tonight.

But what a Monday night game this should be!

[Bob Sheed]

Chiefs Ravens is as good as it gets right now.

[Hillsdale87]

Good.

Auto-correct can be bad.

Ha. That makes a lot more sense. Yes, he's incredible. I wish we had a Wilson-Mahomes matchup this year. Maybe the Super Bowl, but that Seahawks defense is probably going to need some work for that to happen. Then again, the other top team in the NFC appears to be the Packers, and their defense looks a bit suspect too.

[Boston Red]

Chiefs Ravens is as good as it gets right now.

Lamar didn't deliver.

[Bob Sheed]

Someone delivered in Tennessee. 8 Titans tested positive for COVID.

[texasdave]

https://abc13.com/sports/8-new-covid-19-cases-in-nfl-could-impact-next-texans-game/6648173/

Both the Titans and the Vikings have suspended in-person club activities. I assume this means they cannot practice. Houston is scheduled to play Minnesota this week, and there are concerns that the game will not be played as scheduled.

[adkindo]

Someone delivered in Tennessee. 8 Titans tested positive for COVID.

wonder if they will be able to identify patient zero in the organization? I hope it is the 3rd string QB or the holder...

[Boston Red]

I don't know what you do if the NFL schedule starts to get disrupted. You can't play doubleheaders like in baseball. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room outside of the one bye week per team.

[adkindo]

I don't know what you do if the NFL schedule starts to get disrupted. You can't play doubleheaders like in baseball. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room outside of the one bye week per team.

I think the team that is unable to compete has to take the loss as a last resort if cannot be made up? Maybe allow every team 1 game, then everything additional is a loss? I am not sure what else to do....it sucks, but one team clearly has no responsibility in the situation, and the other has some level of responsibility.

[Slyder]

I think the team that is unable to compete has to take the loss as a last resort if cannot be made up? Maybe allow every team 1 game, then everything additional is a loss? I am not sure what else to do....it sucks, but one team clearly has no responsibility in the situation, and the other has some level of responsibility.

My ideas:
-Move Playoffs back 1 week (if the missing game affects playoffs) and play a "week 18".
-Move games back to like Tuesday/Wednesday, move the following week game to Monday and then get back to normal schedules.

[Chip R]

I don't know what you do if the NFL schedule starts to get disrupted. You can't play doubleheaders like in baseball. There's not a whole lot of wiggle room outside of the one bye week per team.

I think they could make it up after the season if it mattered. Houston plays in a covered stadium so they could play there. They could always bump the playoffs back a week and kill that extra week between the championship games and the Super Bowl. I'm sure they have a plan. Hard to believe they would get caught flat footed by this considering all the games that were postponed in the MLB season.

[Bob Sheed]

wonder if they will be able to identify patient zero in the organization? I hope it is the 3rd string QB or the holder...

They already know who.

Turns out it was Matt Davidson again.

[WVRed]

I think they could make it up after the season if it mattered. Houston plays in a covered stadium so they could play there. They could always bump the playoffs back a week and kill that extra week between the championship games and the Super Bowl. I'm sure they have a plan. Hard to believe they would get caught flat footed by this considering all the games that were postponed in the MLB season.

Given how brazen Goodell has been throughout the process I would be shocked if they have a contingency plan in place.

If it wasn’t for state regulations I guarantee there would be more fans in the stands right now than what there has been.

[Boston Red]

There should be more fans in the stands. Like, almost everywhere should have crowds > 0.

[texasdave]

https://www.click2houston.com/sports/2020/09/30/nfl-steelers-and-titans-will-play-monday-or-tuesday/

Titans and Steelers game is off for Sunday. Maybe Monday or Tuesday.

[Kingspoint]

https://www.click2houston.com/sports/2020/09/30/nfl-steelers-and-titans-will-play-monday-or-tuesday/

Titans and Steelers game is off for Sunday. Maybe Monday or Tuesday.

This is now their bye week, and they will play each other in Week 6. Guess they happened to have the same bye week, so it worked out.

[Assembly Hall]

This is now their bye week, and they will play each other in Week 6. Guess they happened to have the same bye week, so it worked out.

Conspiracy!

[The Villian]

Cam Newton tested postive for covid, out for tomorrow’s game Aginst Kansas City according to yahoo sports.

[Bob Sheed]

Saints player just tested positive after flight to Detroit.

Got his results after the flight to Detroit.

[WVRed]

Saints player just tested positive after flight to Detroit.

Got his results after the flight to Detroit.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30035510/sources-new-orleans-saints-player-retest-comes-back-negative-game-on

[Bob Sheed]

Yep, good news, false positive.

[adkindo]

Godwin out this week, and now Evans leaves the field with ankle injury.....Brady running out of receivers

[adkindo]

it appeared Austin Ekeler just did serious damage to his knee....like the season over type of damage

[RedTeamGo!]

Are the browns guh...guh...go....good?

[RiverRat13]

Justin Herbert is balling out.

[adkindo]

Justin Herbert is balling out.

wow, I was very impressed by him today. I watched him at Oregon, and it was clear he had the talent, size, arm strength, etc. to be an elite NFL QB, but there were games where his accuracy was not great or he just did not take the game over like I thought he should. After watching him today, it is clear to me he may be a better NFL QB (surrounded by NFL level talent) than he was in college. He has a cannon for an arm....reminded me of Jeff George who always had an amazing arm. I will not be shocked if he ends up being the best QB/player from last years draft.

[adkindo]

Brady looked great in the 2nd half today. Just as he was getting comfortable utilizing the Tight Ends, it appears OJ Howard may be out for the season with an Achilles injury.

- Howard seems to be snake bitten...every time he gets rolling, the injury happens. It would be a tragedy if his NFL career never gets a chance to flourish because I think he has the ability to be the best pass catching TE in the NFL. The Bucs still have Brate and Gronk to serve in a more traditional TE role.

- RoJo had maybe his best game since entering the NFL running the ball, and likely solidified his role as RB1....relegating Fournette to a more short distance and pass catching role. Ke'Shawn Vaughn came in today and proved he can be a 3rd down weapon out of the backfield also.

- The Bucs defense shut down the run again, but their young secondary got a little exposed today by Herbert. The secondary had looked very solid this year, but they will need to play better than they did today. The front 7 of the Bucs is as good as any team in the NFL. Finally, Lavonte David's recognition as one of the elite LB's in the NFL is long overdue....there are other great ILB's in the NFL, but David stands behind no one in my opinion.

I just wish this offense could get healthy to find out what it can do at full strength....Godwin and Fournette should return next week, but Evans is playing on a bad ankle.

[Assembly Hall]

Justin Herbert is balling out.

That kid can play. I see he just fell short of an NFL record.

[Boston Red]

Who's going to be the slightly least awful team in the NFC East who will make the playoffs? I'm still going Dallas, even though they are clearly very, very bad.

[Assembly Hall]

Who's going to be the slightly least awful team in the NFC East who will make the playoffs? I'm still going Dallas, even though they are clearly very, very bad.

Dallas...and the chances are good that they would be under .500.

[adkindo]

Who's going to be the slightly least awful team in the NFC East who will make the playoffs? I'm still going Dallas, even though they are clearly very, very bad.

The Eagles just took over the division lead with a 1-2-1 record....I assume Dallas ends up winning the division.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Who's going to be the slightly least awful team in the NFC East who will make the playoffs? I'm still going Dallas, even though they are clearly very, very bad.

It’ll be Dallas. The Giants might be the worst team in football. Washington could do it if they can beat Dallas twice. The Eagles schedule is too hard.

[RichRed]

It’ll be Dallas. The Giants might be the worst team in football. Washington could do it if they can beat Dallas twice. The Eagles schedule is too hard.

Agree that it'll be Dallas, though Philly is always sneaky at the end of the year. Can't imagine my WFTers beating Dallas twice. Not sure that's ever happened. Besides, I think they're semi tanking...either that or they're just bad enough to look like they might be tanking.

EDIT: Guess I was wrong. I went back to 1980 and Washington has swept Dallas 5 times in those 40 years, the last time being 2012.

[Chip R]

Bill O'Brien has been fired as Texans coach and GM.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Texans-fire-coach-Bill-O-Brien-15622956.php

[RichRed]

Bill O'Brien has been fired as Texans coach and GM.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Texans-fire-coach-Bill-O-Brien-15622956.php

And their fans are no doubt wondering why that couldn't have happened before he traded DeAndre Hopkins.

[Betterread]

Not unexpected. Houston have too much talent to be this poor. They will be up for the Jacksonville game.

[oregonred]

And their fans are no doubt wondering why that couldn't have happened before he traded DeAndre Hopkins.

And the awful Tunsil/Stills trade. They still owe the Dolphins their #1 and #2 this year :eek:

[WVRed]

And the awful Tunsil/Stills trade. They still owe the Dolphins their #1 and #2 this year :eek:

If I were Houston once they get the coach and GM figured out, unload DeShaun Watson for a Herschel Walker type of bounty and start with the Jets.

[oregonred]

If I were Houston once they get the coach and GM figured out, unload DeShaun Watson for a Herschel Walker type of bounty and start with the Jets.

The Jets seem well positioned for the Lawrence and Fields sweepstakes

[Betterread]

If I were Houston once they get the coach and GM figured out, unload DeShaun Watson for a Herschel Walker type of bounty and start with the Jets.

DeShaun Watson will never be worth a star’s ransom. He has serious accuracy issues.

[adkindo]

Bill O'Brien has been fired as Texans coach and GM.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Texans-fire-coach-Bill-O-Brien-15622956.php

for Texans fans, the good news is you have moved on from a coach that made poor decisions and was not getting the job done....the bad news is now Romeo Crennel is in charge.

[JaxRed]

And the awful Tunsil/Stills trade. They still owe the Dolphins their #1 and #2 this year :eek:

And they are currently OVER the cap next year.

- - - Updated - - -


The Jets seem well positioned for the Lawrence and Fields sweepstakes

It's hard to see a win on the Jets schedule. (I hope they sneak out a few).

[RiverRat13]

Looks like the Titans held a secret practice while they were supposed to be quarantining. We'll see if the league hands down punishment in the form of draft picks or makes them forfeit the game(s) they missed.

[KronoRed]

Force them to forfeit and force them to give "Oilers" back to Houston because "texans" is lame.

[kaldaniels]

Force them to forfeit and force them to give "Oilers" back to Houston because "texans" is lame.

Joking aside wouldn't a move back (for the Texans) to "Oilers" and their colors be an extremely popular move? Is Tennessee really holding that up?

[WVRed]

Joking aside wouldn't a move back (for the Texans) to "Oilers" and their colors be an extremely popular move? Is Tennessee really holding that up?

Tennessee owns the Oilers history.

[JaxRed]

Joking aside wouldn't a move back (for the Texans) to "Oilers" and their colors be an extremely popular move? Is Tennessee really holding that up?

I assume if they polled most people would favor Texans at this point.

[KronoRed]

Joking aside wouldn't a move back (for the Texans) to "Oilers" and their colors be an extremely popular move? Is Tennessee really holding that up?

A few years ago Houston wanted to wear Oilers throw backs and the Titans put a stop to it.

[Bob Sheed]

I mean, the Ravens are basically the Browns so I'm sure something could be done.

[WVRed]

Patriots-Broncos moved to Monday night

Titans and Bills likely going to Tuesday night.

Is it just me or is the NFL capitalizing on COVID?

[Chip R]

A Jets player has tested positive and all the players and coaches have been sent home. I've heard the game may be moved to Tuesday.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30077086/source-new-york-jets-players-coaches-sent-home-presumptive-positive-covid-19-test

[Bob Sheed]

Better to move it to Wednesday, so there isn't another NFL game to compete with. :rolleyes:

[adkindo]

thoughts about Tampa Bay after Bears loss....

- watching and reading the TB media who was anti Winston make excuse after excuse for Brady is becoming irritating...I thought Tampa Bay made a mistake by dumping Winston and handing the franchise to a 43 year old Brady when it happened, and I still believe it was a poor decision. I get that the offense is short handed, but is that why Brady plays like he is terrified of getting his uniform dirty? Is that why 50% of his balls, especially after an INT, are thrown into the turf? Brady plays scared....or call it plays not to lose at best.

- after last season, I was no longer a fan of Bruce Arians. His teams are undisciplined, he almost never takes responsibility and always blames someone else, and dude is basically a senior citizen concerned about looking "cool". I thought he did Winston very bad, and threw him under the bus to cover up his own failures. He pretended like it was not his offense that had Winton slinging the ball 30 and 40 yards down the field every possession was partly responsible for the interceptions...he pretended that the Bucs having zero running game in his offense was not an issue for Winston....he pretended that 1st year QB's in his offense do not have a history of career high interceptions.....he basically knew he was only going to coach another year or two, and thought Brady would protect him through the end of his time on the sideline.

- the Bucs have lost 2 major pieces for the season over the last 2 weeks....OJ Howard last week and Vita Vea broke his leg this week. Vea is a huge reason the Bucs running defense has been the best in the NFL over the last 2 seasons.

- I do not see the Bucs making much noise this season unless Brady significantly improves his play. The offense is stacked with talent, but I have doubts that Brady has enough mentally left to do what it takes to make the offense explosive. I would be much more confident in this teams odds this year and in the future with Winston at QB.

[Bob Sheed]

Brady is 43.

If he gets takes a shot like Burrow got hit vs the Eagles, Brady would turn to dust.

Brady knows this.

[WrongVerb]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter

NFL is shutting down the Patriots’ facility this morning, marking the third shutdown there in 10 days, sources tell me and @FieldYates. Patriots are testing this morning and awaiting further direction from the NFL. But the status of Monday night’s game vs. Denver is in question.
3:50am · 11 Oct 2020

[Kingspoint]

Silver and Black is Back!

[WrongVerb]

It's Red Rifle time in Dallas.

[Bob Sheed]

It's Red Rifle time in Dallas.

I will bet Dalton does pretty well.

[adkindo]

I pity the team that opposes Fitzpatrick when he is feeling the magic....

[adkindo]

Haskins is supposedly expected to be moved fairly soon. Have to think a place like Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Tampa Bay or Indy would be great landing spots for him....allow him to backup for a couple years behind a vet.

[WrongVerb]

That Seattle-Minnesota game was crazy. Bunch of lead changes, defensive stop by the Seahawks on 4th and inches, then drive the ball the other way to score a touchdown to go up by 1. Game ended on a weird play -- Cousins went to throw the ball, but his arm was hit and the bank came out. Ruled a fumble, time ran out while the players scrambled to recover the ball.

[Stray]

That Dak injury was brutal. Felt sick watching him hold his leg with his dangling foot barely attached.

I was really happy to see Dalton come in and play well tho. He's a good dude. I hope he leads this Cowboys to the playoffs and if so I hope he gets a win.

[JaxRed]

Haskins is supposedly expected to be moved fairly soon. Have to think a place like Pittsburgh, Atlanta, Tampa Bay or Indy would be great landing spots for him....allow him to backup for a couple years behind a vet.

I can't imagine they'd get much for him. 3rd or 4th at best.

[Hillsdale87]

I was really happy to see Dalton come in and play well tho. He's a good dude. I hope he leads this Cowboys to the playoffs and if so I hope he gets a win.

It's going to be really funny if Dalton leads the Cowboys to the playoffs and wins a playoff game. I hope he does well

[RiverRat13]

I'd like to see Dalton do well, but he's not going to be behind the Dallas line of a couple of seasons ago. Both starting tackles are out for the year. He'll have a ton of weapons around him, but the protection will be suspect at times. The biggest positive in Dalton's favor is that he gets 5 more games against he NFC East and one against the Bengals. Games against the Ravens and Steelers are the two toughest left.

[Bob Sheed]

Oh man, that Cowboys Bengals game might be a pretty good one after all.

[Boston Red]

Oh man, that Cowboys Bengals game might be a pretty good one after all.

The Cincinnati Bengals will be vying for the #1 draft pick while the Cowboys will be hoping to be the first team to make the playoffs at 6-10. Should be riveting!

[Kingspoint]

The Cincinnati Bengals will be vying for the #1 draft pick while the Cowboys will be hoping to be the first team to make the playoffs at 6-10. Should be riveting!

I think the Cowboys win that Division with 10 wins.

[adkindo]

That Dak injury was brutal. Felt sick watching him hold his leg with his dangling foot barely attached.

I was really happy to see Dalton come in and play well tho. He's a good dude. I hope he leads this Cowboys to the playoffs and if so I hope he gets a win.

What would Cowboys do if Dalton plays well and gets them to the NFC Championship game? Do they still pay Dak?

[Kingspoint]

What would Cowboys do if Dalton plays well and gets them to the NFC Championship game? Do they still pay Dak?

Dalton is a FA, too, isn't he? He may want to start somewhere himself.

[Kingspoint]

Nobody really knows how good they are when they play for the Bengals.

[Hillsdale87]

Herbert looks awesome. His arm strength is special. I think he was a victim of coaching in college. They never really went with a pass heavy attack, even though it worked when they did. If you follow Geoff Schwartz on Twitter (former Oregon & NFL OL), he would lament every game about how they weren't letting Herbert loose. He certainly wasn't a perfect college player, but I think people would have thought a lot differently about him if he had played in a more aggressive spread offense.

I'm still thrilled to have Burrow, but most people thought there was a massive gap between Burrow and Herbert. They both look special so far.

[adkindo]

I think Brees is finished.....his arm is too weak to mask this season. I imagine it would be nearly impossible, but I would try to find a way to take a look at Winton run the offense.

[Kingspoint]

Herbert looks awesome. His arm strength is special. I think he was a victim of coaching in college. They never really went with a pass heavy attack, even though it worked when they did. If you follow Geoff Schwartz on Twitter (former Oregon & NFL OL), he would lament every game about how they weren't letting Herbert loose. He certainly wasn't a perfect college player, but I think people would have thought a lot differently about him if he had played in a more aggressive spread offense.

I'm still thrilled to have Burrow, but most people thought there was a massive gap between Burrow and Herbert. They both look special so far.

Herbert's biggest question mark was handling pressure. He never faced any in College. Sewell never gave up a pressure the entire year.

Calvin Throckmorton (Saints practice squad and 2-time 2nd team All-American) gave up only one sack his last 1602 pass-protection snaps at Oregon.

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

The NFL has tightened its "close-contact exposure" COVID-19 rules, saying any player or staff member with close contact with a positive individual must "be isolated for at least five days, even if the person is negative and remains asymptomatic." As NFL Network's Tom Pelissero lays out, this means "if a player tests positive for COVID-19 after Tuesday during a game week, that player and all 'high risk' close contacts would miss at least one game and potentially more based on testing, symptoms, etc." You could argue the NFL's more stringent rules should have been implemented much earlier, but the league has stopped messing around since its Titans disaster. These rules closely reflect CDC guidelines for the general public. This could come into play with the Chiefs this week after Anthony Sherman was placed on the COVID-19 list Tuesday, though Sherman himself is not positive after close contact with a positive individual. If Sherman eventually goes positive, however, all his close contacts based on contact tracing would then be ineligible for Monday's game against the Bills.

SOURCE: Tom Pelissero on Twitter
Oct 13, 2020, 5:10 PM ET

[Kingspoint]

From Rotoworld w/ Rotoworld comments:

Speaking Tuesday, NFL commissioner Roger Goodell left open the possibility of postponed games being made up in a "Week 18." By definition, this would mean the Super Bowl would be moved back. “If there’s one consistent theme to our season, it’s flexibility and adapting," Goodell said. Many have expressed frustration with the lack of flexibility built into this year's schedule, while the league is quickly exhausting its options when it comes to moving games and byes. "Week 18" is probably an inevitability, while even Weeks 19 and 20 could happen. The NFL has said the Super Bowl could be played as many as three weeks later than usual. Speaking about the league's investigation into the Titans' COVID-19 protocols, Goodell tried to strike a conciliatory tone. "This is not about discipline," Goodell said. "This is about making sure we’re keeping our personnel safe, and that’s been our entire focus to date."

SOURCE: Mike Garafolo on Twitter

[WVRed]

Jets released LeVeon Bell.

Steelers reunion?

[Bob Sheed]

Very doubtful.

[JaxRed]

I assume Steelers are glad to rid of Bell. If someone signs Bell I assume it's a league minimum deal.

[Tuff Nut]

Derrick Henry's throw down on Josh Norman needs to be illustrated and handed out to all running backs from grade school on up...I cannot stop watching it...just awesome.

[Hillsdale87]

Jets released LeVeon Bell.

Steelers reunion?

The series of decisions that the Jets have made over the last few years have to be some of the worst in the history of all of sports.

1. They allowed a GM who was on his way out to hire Adam Gase, one of the worst coaches in the NFL, signing him to a 5 year deal. Numerous players from both the Dolphins and Jets have gotten substantially better after leaving his coaching
2. They allowed that GM to spend a ton of money in free agency on players that the coach didn't want. Of their 3 big free agents, only 1 is still on the Jets, and he opted out of this season.
3. They then released Bell, who is still good (though likely not elite as he was considered in Pittsburgh), in favor of the coach that everybody knows is going to get fired.

The only way I can understand that decision is that they think that they're in danger of losing the #1 pick if they keep Bell around, but they're guaranteed to get it if they let Gase coach all year.

[adkindo]

I assume Steelers are glad to rid of Bell. If someone signs Bell I assume it's a league minimum deal.

I can see him fitting with KC

[Assembly Hall]

The series of decisions that the Jets have made over the last few years have to be some of the worst in the history of all of sports.

1. They allowed a GM who was on his way out to hire Adam Gase, one of the worst coaches in the NFL, signing him to a 5 year deal. Numerous players from both the Dolphins and Jets have gotten substantially better after leaving his coaching
2. They allowed that GM to spend a ton of money in free agency on players that the coach didn't want. Of their 3 big free agents, only 1 is still on the Jets, and he opted out of this season.
3. They then released Bell, who is still good (though likely not elite as he was considered in Pittsburgh), in favor of the coach that everybody knows is going to get fired.

The only way I can understand that decision is that they think that they're in danger of losing the #1 pick if they keep Bell around, but they're guaranteed to get it if they let Gase coach all year.

Gotta love the J-E-T-S Jets,Jets,Jets...