2020 Ohio State Football: Same Day, New Sermon

[WVRed]

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/28939522/ohio-state-lands-grad-transfer-rb-trey-sermon-oklahoma

Good option to replace Dobbins IF he stays healthy.

[BuckeyeRed27]

After Teague got hurt, they needed to add someone. Sermon is a similar type back and I expect him to fill in and start. They'll still use Chambers or Crowley (or Teague if he makes it back), but Sermon can plug right in.

[adkindo]

Congrats on TreVeyon Henderson ('21)

[BuckeyeRed27]

The last 10 days have been crazy for recruiting. This has the real potential to be the best recruiting class in college football history with a few of the names expected to commit.

[adkindo]

The last 10 days have been crazy for recruiting. This has the real potential to be the best recruiting class in college football history with a few of the names expected to commit.

Probably not an issue for you guys, but there is some speculation that some recruits may just move forward with a commitment to a "good option" because of the limited ability or inability to do visits during this usually busy period....which could make it more likely they change their mind later. Like I said, probably not an issue for the elite programs.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Probably not an issue for you guys, but there is some speculation that some recruits may just move forward with a commitment to a "good option" because of the limited ability or inability to do visits during this usually busy period....which could make it more likely they change their mind later. Like I said, probably not an issue for the elite programs.

Yeah I had thought of that. Henderson committed without ever coming to campus. Now JK Dobbins did that too and that worked out great, but it's obviously not ideal. Although there isn't much that is ideal these days.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/05/113938/oregon-gov-kate-brown-calls-for-no-sporting-events-with-large-crowds-through-september-potentially-affecting-ohio-state-game

Sounds like if Ohio State and Oregon still end up playing in Eugene in September, it'll be with no fans, which isn't surprising really, but is looking like more of a reality.

I think sometime in July college football is going to move the season to February and just play 10 or 12 conference games. I don't see how September is going to work.

[adkindo]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/05/113938/oregon-gov-kate-brown-calls-for-no-sporting-events-with-large-crowds-through-september-potentially-affecting-ohio-state-game

Sounds like if Ohio State and Oregon still end up playing in Eugene in September, it'll be with no fans, which isn't surprising really, but is looking like more of a reality.

I think sometime in July college football is going to move the season to February and just play 10 or 12 conference games. I don't see how September is going to work.

Is it a Home and Home deal? If so, why not switch the order if fans are allowed in Columbus?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Is it a Home and Home deal? If so, why not switch the order if fans are allowed in Columbus?

It is a home and home, so that could be possible if Ohio allows it, but I doubt they will by September.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/05/114151/ohio-state-football-players-will-return-to-campus-on-june-8-per-report

Assuming the Big 10 lets them Ohio State is planning on the football team to report June 8.

[bucksfan2]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/05/114151/ohio-state-football-players-will-return-to-campus-on-june-8-per-report

Assuming the Big 10 lets them Ohio State is planning on the football team to report June 8.

The B1G, or any conference for that matter, shouldn't stand in the way of athletes reporting to school. For many athletes, they are better served on campus (or nearby) than off.

[BuckeyeRed27]

The B1G, or any conference for that matter, shouldn't stand in the way of athletes reporting to school. For many athletes, they are better served on campus (or nearby) than off.

I think it has largely been a conference decision to this point to try and keep it fair, but from all indications they don't plan on extending the current ban on team activities past June 1.

[bucksfan2]

I think it has largely been a conference decision to this point to try and keep it fair, but from all indications they don't plan on extending the current ban on team activities past June 1.

I get they don't want one team to have an advantage, however, if the universities are able to house, train, and feed the athletes, its better for the athlete. Its better for the athlete to receive the proper training and proper nutrition, and it eases the burden it would put on the families.

Could you imagine trying to feed a college offensive lineman?

[BuckeyeRed27]

Gene Smith also talking about possibly having around 20-25k fans in the stadium. That would have a real 1998 MLS vibe too it, but I guess it's probably better than an empty stadium.

[Boston Red]

2000 students and the 18,000 biggest donors?

[BuckeyeRed27]

2000 students and the 18,000 biggest donors?

Plus the players families, that's probably about right.

[dfs]

Could you imagine trying to feed a college offensive lineman?

One of my daughters was friends with Michael Bennett's sister. They were hanging out one afternoon and he asked if they wanted a snack since he was going to make one for himself. "Sure" said the girls.

He made them a pizza. A whole pizza for two teenage girls that ate like birds.

He made himself four.

[adkindo]

Gene Smith also talking about possibly having around 20-25k fans in the stadium. That would have a real 1998 MLS vibe too it, but I guess it's probably better than an empty stadium.

25% capacity....good news for Pitt fans, tickets will still be available on game day. :mooner:

[bucksfan2]

2000 students and the 18,000 biggest donors?

If students are in doors and attending classes, they all should be able to go to a game. Heck dorm life is a bigger spreader of viruses than anything. I almost would close a section off of students where they can sit where they wish.

[Sea Ray]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2020/05/114151/ohio-state-football-players-will-return-to-campus-on-june-8-per-report

Assuming the Big 10 lets them Ohio State is planning on the football team to report June 8.

Kudos to Ohio State for this. It sure looks like we're going to have college football in the Fall

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2000 students and the 18,000 biggest donors?

I would hope they'd allow more than 2000 students but we'll see

[adkindo]

If students are in doors and attending classes, they all should be able to go to a game. Heck dorm life is a bigger spreader of viruses than anything. I almost would close a section off of students where they can sit where they wish.

I saw yesterday the Notre Dame AD came out and said they were considering a number around 18K to start, and the first 11K would be the students which I think is their total (full time / part time) enrollment. I am not sure how students are kept out if part of their student fees are going to the Athletic Department.

[BuckeyeRed27]

If students are in doors and attending classes, they all should be able to go to a game. Heck dorm life is a bigger spreader of viruses than anything. I almost would close a section off of students where they can sit where they wish.

I was joking with one of my old college friends about this. Just let all of them come back get sick and then throw them all in the South Stands. The home field advantage of having the opponent spend half the game going into 40k virus infected screaming college students is terrifying.

[North]

Gavin Sawchuk, 4-star RB, has Ohio State football high on list; Bear Alexander, 4-star DE, gets a ‘second’ OSU offer: Buckeyes Recruiting roundup

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/05/gavin-sawchuk-4-star-rb-has-ohio-state-football-high-on-list-bear-alexander-4-star-de-gets-a-second-osu-offer-buckeyes-recruiting-roundup.html

[BuckeyeRed27]

Gavin Sawchuk, 4-star RB, has Ohio State football high on list; Bear Alexander, 4-star DE, gets a ‘second’ OSU offer: Buckeyes Recruiting roundup

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/05/gavin-sawchuk-4-star-rb-has-ohio-state-football-high-on-list-bear-alexander-4-star-de-gets-a-second-osu-offer-buckeyes-recruiting-roundup.html

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football-recruiting/2020/05/114216/commit-watch-buckeyes-on-track-to-add-to-the-2021-class-top-2022-targets-also-on-the-brink

Good article today on some of the high priority recruits. Sounds like if they can get Wolfe and Egbuka on campus for visits they’ll land them. Hopefully with the team coming back to campus recruiting visits can follow. Egbuka is from Washington though so could be a logistical issue.

[North]

Most Ohio State football players are already back in Columbus as voluntary workouts approach

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/05/most-ohio-state-football-players-are-already-back-in-columbus-as-voluntary-workouts-approach.html

[kaldaniels]

I'm gonna note this here rather than the general college football thread - but I noticed on the crawl the other day UMich said there will be no football for them this season if students don't return to campus. Any thoughts on that?

What that means to me is (that the plan is) students will be returning to campus.

[bucksfan2]

I'm gonna note this here rather than the general college football thread - but I noticed on the crawl the other day UMich said there will be no football for them this season if students don't return to campus. Any thoughts on that?

What that means to me is (that the plan is) students will be returning to campus.

More and more schools are talking about having kids back on campus or at least a hybrid model.

A few weeks ago there seemed unity for all conferences that if one school couldn't play, they all wouldn't. They (Gene Smith) have seemed to move off of that.

FWIW Smith is talking about having games with limited fans in attendance. That had come a long way in a month. It wouldn't surprise me to see the football season to be played as scheduled.

[adkindo]

I'm gonna note this here rather than the general college football thread - but I noticed on the crawl the other day UMich said there will be no football for them this season if students don't return to campus. Any thoughts on that?

What that means to me is (that the plan is) students will be returning to campus.

That is one way to avoid losing to Ohio State in 9 consecutive seasons.

[adkindo]

Most Ohio State football players are already back in Columbus as voluntary workouts approach

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/05/most-ohio-state-football-players-are-already-back-in-columbus-as-voluntary-workouts-approach.html

I read a similar report in regards to WVU players in Morgantown....they began arriving back in town in recent weeks even though they can not officially use campus facilities until mid June. They have been training together at local gyms and fields.

[Assembly Hall]

More and more schools are talking about having kids back on campus or at least a hybrid model.

A few weeks ago there seemed unity for all conferences that if one school couldn't play, they all wouldn't. They (Gene Smith) have seemed to move off of that.

FWIW Smith is talking about having games with limited fans in attendance. That had come a long way in a month. It wouldn't surprise me to see the football season to be played as scheduled.

https://hoosierhuddle.com/hoosier-blog/indiana-university-president-michael-mcrobbie-announces-plan-to-resume-instruction-in-the-fall/2020/5/27

[North]

https://hoosierhuddle.com/hoosier-blog/indiana-university-president-michael-mcrobbie-announces-plan-to-resume-instruction-in-the-fall/2020/5/27

From the link..

Academic calendar: The 2020-21 academic year will run from Aug. 24 to May 9 as originally planned but will now be in three parts:


The Fall Semester, which will run from Aug. 24 through Dec. 20. Classes may be in-person or online until Thanksgiving week (Nov. 20), when all in-person instruction will end. The rest of the semester will be online only. There will be no Fall break.

Campuses will have the flexibility to use the online-only period (Nov. 30 to Feb. 8 – a new Winter Session) in various ways: to finish fall semester courses, to begin spring semester courses, or to create new intensive courses that use either or both the December and January online periods.

The Spring Semester will begin with online only instruction on Jan. 19 and then resume in-person instruction on Feb. 8. The semester will run to May 9 without a Spring break.

Undergraduate students who take advantage of IU’s banded tuition rates can include courses from the Fall Semester, Winter Session or Spring Semester as part of the new calendar without any additional cost.

So it seems the campus will be more or less closed Nov 20 to Feb 8. No? Yes? I wonder what will that mean to IU sports.

[Assembly Hall]

From the link..

Academic calendar: The 2020-21 academic year will run from Aug. 24 to May 9 as originally planned but will now be in three parts:


The Fall Semester, which will run from Aug. 24 through Dec. 20. Classes may be in-person or online until Thanksgiving week (Nov. 20), when all in-person instruction will end. The rest of the semester will be online only. There will be no Fall break.

Campuses will have the flexibility to use the online-only period (Nov. 30 to Feb. 8 – a new Winter Session) in various ways: to finish fall semester courses, to begin spring semester courses, or to create new intensive courses that use either or both the December and January online periods.

The Spring Semester will begin with online only instruction on Jan. 19 and then resume in-person instruction on Feb. 8. The semester will run to May 9 without a Spring break.

Undergraduate students who take advantage of IU’s banded tuition rates can include courses from the Fall Semester, Winter Session or Spring Semester as part of the new calendar without any additional cost.

So it seems the campus will be more or less closed Nov 20 to Feb 8. No? Yes? I wonder what will that mean to IU sports.

More basketball tickets available to the general public?

BTW, Notre Dame has pretty much the same set-up.

[Roy Tucker]

A replay of the 2003 Fiesta Bowl with Ohio State and Miami on ESPN tonight.

[BuckeyeRed27]

A replay of the 2003 Fiesta Bowl with Ohio State and Miami on ESPN tonight.

The JT first pump after the Clarett TD in the second quarter is one of my favorite things.

[Roy Tucker]

The JT first pump after the Clarett TD in the second quarter is one of my favorite things.

For such a conservative guy, his competitive fires burned hot.

Switching back and forth with this game and the 1990 Reds-Pirates Game 6 on Reds Rewind.

[North]

Ohio State football’s pass rush and secondary must help each other in 2020

https://www.cleveland.com/osu/2020/05/ohio-state-footballs-pass-rush-and-secondary-must-help-each-other-in-2020-buckeye-takes.html

[North]

Ohio State University to reopen campus, football season still uncertain

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/06/03/ohio-state-university-reopen-campus-football-season-still-uncertain/3138502001/

[BuckeyeRed27]

Ohio State University to reopen campus, football season still uncertain

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2020/06/03/ohio-state-university-reopen-campus-football-season-still-uncertain/3138502001/

Football sounds pretty certain. They are trying to figure out how many people they can get inside to watch the games, not if they will play them.

[Kingspoint]

Bump.

Football is back.

[kaldaniels]

I mean congrats to IU for a great start to the season but the slobbering over them has been a bit much.

Time to take em down a notch.

[Roy Tucker]

Indians blitzes confusing the Buckeyes OL.

[Hillsdale87]

Indians blitzes confusing the Buckeyes OL.

And Fields doing a bad job of recognizing them. He's not seeing the field well so far. I think he got too greedy after that easy first drive and is looking for the home run instead of taking what's available. Last drive was better


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[kaldaniels]

Is Gus Johnson trying to make “The World Famous Ohio State Buckeyes” a thing? He’s said it 3 times.

Or is it already a thing?

[RedTeamGo!]

Is Gus Johnson trying to make “The World Famous Ohio State Buckeyes” a thing? He’s said it 3 times.

Or is it already a thing?

Gus Johnson can say whatever he damn well pleases

[RedTeamGo!]

Fields is just fully forcing it. Got bailed out by Fleming.

[RiverRat13]

The secondary continues to look suspect.

[RedTeamGo!]

OSU defense just isn’t very good this year.

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The secondary continues to look suspect.

Rebuilding year for the secondary. I bet Shaun Wade is kicking himself for not going pro last year. Costing himself millions.

[RedTeamGo!]

Don’t like how this feels

[adkindo]

been waiting on that Pick 6 all day....the IU QB puts way to much air under his ball on the out route....not enough zip on the ball to keep making that throw without it getting picked.

[Roy Tucker]

Buckeye secondary keeps getting torched. Not getting as much pressure on the QB either.

Fields has to step up here. Get some yards, eat the clock, and get a score.

[Hillsdale87]

Not a great start to the season for Kerry Coombs. These first 4 games have felt like the Schiano tenure. Yes, the secondary is not as talented as last year, but there are coverage breakdowns all over the place. There has been no adjustment so far. The D line is filled with NFL guys but can't get consistent pressure. This is a team that will give up 50 in the playoffs right now


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[Roy Tucker]

Looked more offensive than defensive pass interference but that was the call.

[RedTeamGo!]

This is insane.

[Hillsdale87]

This defensive scheme is complete trash. It looks just like Schiano's. Leave corners out on islands and watch them get roasted deep over and over again


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[Roy Tucker]

This defensive scheme is complete trash. It looks just like Schiano's. Leave corners out on islands and watch them get roasted deep over and over again


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If you have first round NFL corners maybe. But you can’t rely on that level of talent.

[Roy Tucker]

Whew.

[GAC]

We won that game because we converted turnovers into points, and Indiana did not!

[Hillsdale87]

If you have first round NFL corners maybe. But you can’t rely on that level of talent.

Right, but it didn't work great even with first round corners. That 2018 team with Arnette, Okudah, and Wade got burned every week. Coombs has not adjusted yet this year. And he's especially getting worked in the second halves. Penn State, Rutgers, and IU all got shut down pretty well in the first half and then moved the ball with ease in the second. Their coaches adjusted, OSU's have not shown the ability to. Joel Klatt was calling out what IU was going to do multiple times, but it seems like OSU had no clue.

The D line not getting home enough is an issue too. It often felt that way with Schiano too. Even with the Bosas and other really good linemen, it nevery felt like the line dominated like it should have. Last year's team was different. I know they had Chase Young, but he's no better than the Bosas were, or at least not by much. This year's team has fallen back in that department. They may not have a dominant player, but these are all top recruits


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[RiverRat13]

They had to give Coombs the co-DC title to get him back from the pros. I know Day and Mattison go way back, but I'd rather see Mattison go and try to find the next Chris Ash or Jeff Hafley.

[GAC]

Correct me if I'm wrong, been a Buckeye fan forever, but why, looking back over recent history, Bowl and play-off games, does our secondary always turn up as our Achille's Heel, gets exposed big time? Going into yesterday's game we were 6th in B1G in Pass D (224 Yds/G). We are now 14th, dead last, giving up 291 Yds/G. Ryan Day cannot be a happy man this morning. The only positive I saw was that they got their running game going big time. But after that initial 2nd Half score, Fields and this offense struggled. Fields was holding onto the ball too long, looking for that big score. He didn't help his Heisman cause in that 2nd Half. Thankfully we turned turnovers to points, while the Hoosiers did not. Or it could have been a diferent game.

I look at the Buckeye's remaining schedule, and I see them going undefeated simply because our remaining opposition has far worse problems then OSU. But if this secondary isn't fixed, then it won't be a pretty CFP 1st round. Same ol' song and dance ;)

[Assembly Hall]

I know it is just supposed to be Indiana. But I truly believe you guys just beat the 2nd best team in the B1G. And take solace that you scored 42 points in doing so. As far as the defensive short comings, take it as a learning experience against a very, very good passing team. Looking forward to next year's match-up.

[RedTeamGo!]

Correct me if I'm wrong, been a Buckeye fan forever, but why, looking back over recent history, Bowl and play-off games, does our secondary always turn up as our Achille's Heel, gets exposed big time? Going into yesterday's game we were 6th in B1G in Pass D (224 Yds/G). We are now 14th, dead last, giving up 291 Yds/G. Ryan Day cannot be a happy man this morning. The only positive I saw was that they got their running game going big time. But after that initial 2nd Half score, Fields and this offense struggled. Fields was holding onto the ball too long, looking for that big score. He didn't help his Heisman cause in that 2nd Half. Thankfully we turned turnovers to points, while the Hoosiers did not. Or it could have been a diferent game.

I look at the Buckeye's remaining schedule, and I see them going undefeated simply because our remaining opposition has far worse problems then OSU. But if this secondary isn't fixed, then it won't be a pretty CFP 1st round. Same ol' song and dance ;)

I just don’t get where you’re getting this secondary thing. They did a pretty dang good job containing Trevor Lawrence last year, including a scoop and score by an OSU defensive back that was called back in one of the worst calls I have ever seen. OSU has put more DBs into the 1st and 2nd round of the NFL draft than anyone else for like 10 years. They look bad this year, but your take on them over the past 2 decades or whatever is absurd. Obviously big plays happen when you play other elite teams. You’re usually playing the best QBs and WRs in the country.

[BillDoran]

Correct me if I'm wrong, been a Buckeye fan forever, but why, looking back over recent history, Bowl and play-off games, does our secondary always turn up as our Achille's Heel, gets exposed big time? Going into yesterday's game we were 6th in B1G in Pass D (224 Yds/G). We are now 14th, dead last, giving up 291 Yds/G. Ryan Day cannot be a happy man this morning. The only positive I saw was that they got their running game going big time. But after that initial 2nd Half score, Fields and this offense struggled. Fields was holding onto the ball too long, looking for that big score. He didn't help his Heisman cause in that 2nd Half. Thankfully we turned turnovers to points, while the Hoosiers did not. Or it could have been a diferent game.

I look at the Buckeye's remaining schedule, and I see them going undefeated simply because our remaining opposition has far worse problems then OSU. But if this secondary isn't fixed, then it won't be a pretty CFP 1st round. Same ol' song and dance ;)

Because of the evolution of football and the way it's officiated. All teams are having problems on the backend. It's why offenses are going away from the run. The powers that be have made passsing the ball easier.

[BillDoran]

My biggest concern is the line play, on both sides. Really confused by the issues and ineffectiveness, the offensive line, in particular. They returned three All-American caliber players and added two five-stars to the lineup. Miller was supposed to be a star-in-the making. Petit-Frere has by all accounts exceeded expectations. Did not see issues with Myers or Davis coming. Miller has had his struggles.

The defensive line has got next to no pressure all season, and it seems the edge has been handled pretty easily thus far. Harrison, who I thought would explode this year, is getting a fairly small share of snaps. Tyreke Smith has never lived up to the billing. Cooper's a great vet but has limitations. It doesn't appear to me that this front four is going to be able to consistently pressure QBs this season (and if they do, it's coming right up the middle). Hope Coombs and Mattison can dial up some blitzes, because that secondary clearly is going to hold when QBs are given time.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I know it is just supposed to be Indiana. But I truly believe you guys just beat the 2nd best team in the B1G. And take solace that you scored 42 points in doing so. As far as the defensive short comings, take it as a learning experience against a very, very good passing team. Looking forward to next year's match-up.

Indiana is a well coached team. They had a plan and they kept at it, but more than that when they got down 35-7, similar to Rutgers before, they just kept playing hard and that’s always a sign of good coaching. I don’t think it’ll be a problem for OSU again because the next 3 teams are either bad, not well coached, or both, but finishing games and staying focused in empty stadiums where you have to bring your own energy is important.

I’m very happy that OSU got this test. Most of the Big Ten passing attacks are garbage and getting to see this before Clemson or Alabama (but mostly Clemson) comes along I think will be very important. Most of what happened in the secondary was scheme issues, not talent issues so hopefully that can be fixed by coaching.

[GAC]

I just don’t get where you’re getting this secondary thing. They did a pretty dang good job containing Trevor Lawrence last year, including a scoop and score by an OSU defensive back that was called back in one of the worst calls I have ever seen. OSU has put more DBs into the 1st and 2nd round of the NFL draft than anyone else for like 10 years. They look bad this year, but your take on them over the past 2 decades or whatever is absurd. Obviously big plays happen when you play other elite teams. You’re usually playing the best QBs and WRs in the country.

I'm not basing my assessment on one game from last year vs Clemson. While a much better and close game, I wouldn't say they contained Lawrence last year who accounted for almost 370 total yards in offense (260 passing) and 3 TDs - and they won the game. It's not absurb for any Buckeye fan, if they've been watching this team for any amount of time at all, to see that their nemesis over the years in big games, bowl games, play-offs, has been their secondary and giving up big plays (i.e. getting burned). Buckeye fans get tired of seeing these zone defenses where they're playing off the ball.

Hoosier QB Penix is good, and I mean no disrespect towards him .... but he's not that good. He's not considered elite.... almost 500 yds passing and 5 TDs yesterday .... and the funny thing about it all was that the Hoosiers could not run the ball PERIOD, negative yardage, so HC Day knew they were gonna throw the ball till Penix' arm fell off (51 Atts), yet he, and his defenswive coordinator couldn't figure out some way to slow this one dimensional team.

All I'm saying is if Day doesn't find a way to fix this, then if we do get in the CFP, it ain't gonna be pretty. But it's gotten to the point where defense - especially in the CFP - is irrelevant anymore.

[Assembly Hall]

I'm not basing my assessment on one game from last year vs Clemson. While a much better and close game, I wouldn't say they contained Lawrence last year who accounted for almost 370 total yards in offense (260 passing) and 3 TDs - and they won the game. It's not absurb for any Buckeye fan, if they've been watching this team for any amount of time at all, to see that their nemesis over the years in big games, bowl games, play-offs, has been their secondary and giving up big plays (i.e. getting burned). Buckeye fans get tired of seeing these zone defenses where they're playing off the ball.

Hoosier QB Penix is good, and I mean no disrespect towards him .... but he's not that good. He's not considered elite.... almost 500 yds passing and 5 TDs yesterday .... and the funny thing about it all was that the Hoosiers could not run the ball PERIOD, negative yardage, so HC Day knew they were gonna throw the ball till Penix' arm fell off (51 Atts), yet he, and his defenswive coordinator couldn't figure out some way to slow this one dimensional team.

All I'm saying is if Day doesn't find a way to fix this, then if we do get in the CFP, it ain't gonna be pretty. But it's gotten to ther point where defense - especially in the CFP - is irrelevant anymore.

Out of curiosity what are Penix's stats compared to Fields?

But yeah, Day had time to prepare for IU's aerial assualt.

[RedTeamGo!]

Out of curiosity what are Penix's stats compared to Fields?

But yeah, Day had time to prepare for IU's aerial assualt.

Fields has played 1 less game, so Penix has about 300 more yards and 1 more TD and 1 more INT, but if you go by QBR:

Penix - 69.4
Fields - 93.7

Fields is an elite QB that will be a top 10 nfl draft pick and starting NFL Qb.

Penix is a solid college QB that will be lucky to make a practice squad. This should not be seen as an insult.

[GAC]

Fields has played 1 less game, so Penix has about 300 more yards and 1 more TD and 1 more INT, but if you go by QBR:

Penix - 69.4
Fields - 93.7

Fields is an elite QB that will be a top 10 nfl draft pick and starting NFL Qb.

Penix is a solid college QB that will be lucky to make a practice squad. This should not be seen as an insult.

I disagree with the sentiment that Penix would be lucky to make an NFL practice squad. He suffered a bad ACL injury in '18, and only played a partial year in '19. This is his first full season as a starter. And he has been very impressive. Lets see what he does as a senior next season. What other QB names, within the conference, stand out as a force next season? ;)

To answer AH's question - He's always been in the running all year within the conference among the leading QBs. After Saturday's game, he's now leading in some categories, and he has an edge on Fields who, as you stated, has played one less game. But that shouldn't diminish what Penix has accomplished this year. That's not a fluke. And he definitely out-played Fields Saturday.

Again ... I know it may come off that way, possibly slighting Penix, but it's not my intention. He's a darn good QB with a positive upside. Who knows the future? I'm just saying that OSU's putrid pass D, now last in the conference, made him look far better then what he has shown overall in his brief career. Indiana throws the ball far more then OSU due to a lack in the running game, while OSU, even with a Fields, shows a more balanced offensive attack. Not until this season has Penix ever came close to 50 Pass ATTs. He's done it twice this year (Michigan, OSU). 51 ATTs Saturday vs the Bucks. Yet if there can be one "knock" on Penix it's his accuracy/completion %. He completed barely over half of those passes (27/51 52.9%). And the difference in the game was his INT ran back by Wade for a TD. Fields threw 3 INTs, made some bad decisions; but it didn't hurt them, they didn't give up points.

My main point on this one game was more of an indictment of Ohio State's secondary then of Penix.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don’t think anyone is slighting Penix. I mean, a lot of his throws were just heaving it and the WR being wide open because the OSU DB or DB’s royally screwed up. Good on him for getting it done, but not many of his passes were ones where accuracy mattered. The one pass he tried to fit it into a narrow window was a pick-6.

[Assembly Hall]

I disagree with the sentiment that Penix would be lucky to make an NFL practice squad. He suffered a bad ACL injury in '18, and only played a partial year in '19. This is his first full season as a starter. And he has been very impressive. Lets see what he does as a senior next season. What other QB names, within the conference, stand out as a force next season? ;)

To answer AH's question - He's always been in the running all year within the conference among the leading QBs. After Saturday's game, he's now leading in some categories, and he has an edge on Fields who, as you stated, has played one less game. But that shouldn't diminish what Penix has accomplished this year. That's not a fluke. And he definitely out-played Fields Saturday.

Again ... I know it may come off that way, possibly slighting Penix, but it's not my intention. He's a darn good QB with a positive upside. Who knows the future? I'm just saying that OSU's putrid pass D, now last in the conference, made him look far better then what he has shown overall in his brief career. Indiana throws the ball far more then OSU due to a lack in the running game, while OSU, even with a Fields, shows a more balanced offensive attack. Not until this season has Penix ever came close to 50 Pass ATTs. He's done it twice this year (Michigan, OSU). 51 ATTs Saturday vs the Bucks. Yet if there can be one "knock" on Penix it's his accuracy/completion %. He completed barely over half of those passes (27/51 52.9%). And the difference in the game was his INT ran back by Wade for a TD. Fields threw 3 INTs, made some bad decisions; but it didn't hurt them, they didn't give up points.

My main point on this one game was more of an indictment of Ohio State's secondary then of Penix.

Don't forget IU's receiving group. The Hoosiers are loaded at that position and they are damn good.

[RedTeamGo!]

Don't forget IU's receiving group. The Hoosiers are loaded at that position and they are damn good.

This nails it IMHO. I think Penix has been good, not knocking him, but the real story with IU’s offense from what I have seen is an elite WR corps. The O-line seems to be pretty stout as well.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2020/11/118421/film-study-can-ohio-states-pass-defense-rebound-from-a-historically-bad-showing-against-indiana

This is a weekly film study column that 11W does that is consistently excellent and insightful. This week of course covers the secondary and what was going on against Indiana.

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/film-study/2020/11/118421/film-study-can-ohio-states-pass-defense-rebound-from-a-historically-bad-showing-against-indiana

This is a weekly film study column that 11W does that is consistently excellent and insightful. This week of course covers the secondary and what was going on against Indiana.

One fine piece...TY for posting it.

[GAC]

OSU players test positive. They'll make an announcement sometime today as to the status of the Illinois game. Don't see how they can avoid cancelling, but we'll see.

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/football/ohio-state-football/reports-ohio-state-football-tests-illinois-game-still-scheduled/530-c902122f-63a5-4afb-a51d-365a72ca9919

[WVRed]

OSU players test positive. They'll make an announcement sometime today as to the status of the Illinois game. Don't see how they can avoid cancelling, but we'll see.

https://www.10tv.com/article/sports/football/ohio-state-football/reports-ohio-state-football-tests-illinois-game-still-scheduled/530-c902122f-63a5-4afb-a51d-365a72ca9919

Kentucky played Alabama with 10 players out and got steamrolled (would have happened anyways). You guys will be fine.

[WVRed]

Ryan Day has tested positive. Larry Johnson to coach against Illinois.

[Roy Tucker]

I got a bad feeling about this game. Buckeyes are playing 22 guys down.

[Hillsdale87]

This is concerning. Northwestern is the better team right now by quite a bit


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[Roy Tucker]

This is concerning. Northwestern is the better team right now by quite a bit


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Yes they are. Looks like a lot of fast OJT needed for some young Buckeyes. The secondary is playing afraid and wide receivers aren’t running the right routes. It’s going to be an uphill struggle. NW is a solid team that doesn’t make many mistakes. And doesn’t get exposed to COVID.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Ohio State had a TD erased by a dumb holding penalty, a dropped pick 6 and an absolutely amazing interception in the end zone and their down 4. Let’s relax on the Northwestern being the better team by a lot stuff.

[JaxRed]

In the end the Buckeye o line took over and won the game. Fields hurting his draft stock in my opinion. My team has second pick and I'm starting to think about Wilson.

[BuckeyeRed27]

In the end the Buckeye o line took over and won the game. Fields hurting his draft stock in my opinion. My team has second pick and I'm starting to think about Wilson.

Who?

[WVRed]

Who?

Zach Wilson (QB-Utah State)

Just do your friends in Cincinnati a favor and leave Sewell alone.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Zach Wilson (QB-Utah State)

Just do your friends in Cincinnati a favor and leave Sewell alone.

Haha Zach Wilson. Ok.

[JaxRed]

BYU

[Danny Serafini]

Under the radar, but big thumbs up to the walk on punter today. I was a bit nervous since Drue Chrisman is as close to a rock star as the position gets, but the new guy dropped two inside the 6. Someone may have just played himself into a 2021 scholarship.

[RedTeamGo!]

Zach Wilson (QB-Utah State)

Just do your friends in Cincinnati a favor and leave Sewell alone.

BYU

[RedTeamGo!]

Under the radar, but big thumbs up to the walk on punter today. I was a bit nervous since Drue Chrisman is as close to a rock star as the position gets, but the new guy dropped two inside the 6. Someone may have just played himself into a 2021 scholarship.

They have some hotshot from Australia coming in next year. Jesse Mirco. He’s 23 years old.

[GAC]

OSU was missing 22 players yesterday. Including WR Olave, and in the Secondary. And Fields wore a right wrist brace that went over his thumb - the same one where he suffered a sprained MCL last year. Post game he said it was going to be x-rayed.

But to be honest ... IMO, it wasn't the thumb that was causing most of his troubles in this game. He holds onto the ball too long, and simply made some very poor decisions passing the ball. He seemed tentative, head not on right sometimes. But I also give credit to Fitzgerald and Northwestern. He's a great coach and motivator. Best defense in the B10, and 14th nationally (Total Defense). I am somewhat amazed Sermon rushed for 331 yards.

I went into halftime thinking - Meyer, when in this situation, use to go in and make adjustments, and it was a different team in the second half - lets see what Day does. And they came out running. But even as successful as they were running the ball, you still have to keep defenses honest by working in some pass plays. Especially when your QB is Justin Fields.

But OSU also played sloppy and had some ridiculous, undisciplined penalties called against them. Back-to-back personal foul penalties?

[paintmered]

So Ohio State fans, what's your preference? The number three seed and play Clemson again or the four seed and play Bama?

[BuckeyeRed27]

So Ohio State fans, what's your preference? The number three seed and play Clemson again or the four seed and play Bama?

I want to play Clemson so bad I can taste it.

[Redsfaithful]

Under the radar, but big thumbs up to the walk on punter today. I was a bit nervous since Drue Chrisman is as close to a rock star as the position gets, but the new guy dropped two inside the 6. Someone may have just played himself into a 2021 scholarship.

Whoa, those punts were good enough I totally missed it wasn't the starter kicking.

[WVRed]

BYU

Whoops. Well it was in the same state. [emoji846]

Congrats to Tom on the Jaguars being in the drivers seat now for Trevor Lawrence.

[JaxRed]

It's pandemonium down here in Jax !!

[JaxRed]

With rumor from Rapaport that Jags are thinking about Urban, he speculates that Jags might turn to Day to if Urban declines. I think Day would be crazy to leave OSU now. He sits at top of College Football as the #2 guy now, with Saban being 69 years old and Day 28 years his junior.

He has not missed a beat on recruiting. Hell, might even be better. And recruiting feeds on success. He should ride that train for at least 10 years. At least.

PS - Has a 23-1 record. (Not sure he can make it 24-1, but if he did.....)

[WVRed]

With rumor from Rapaport that Jags are thinking about Urban, he speculates that Jags might turn to Day to if Urban declines. I think Day would be crazy to leave OSU now. He sits at top of College Football as the #2 guy now, with Saban being 69 years old and Day 28 years his junior.

He has not missed a beat on recruiting. Hell, might even bet better. And recruiting feeds on success. He should ride that train for at least 10 years. At least.

Jacksonville has a very bright future for anyone looking to jump to the NFL. Two first round picks this year, young talent all across the roster, cap space, and a FA destination.

Would Day defy conventional wisdom and bring “his guy” (Fields) over Lawrence first overall if this were to come about? It’s a moot point because Day would be nuts to leave Columbus with what is coming in.

[Hillsdale87]

With rumor from Rapaport that Jags are thinking about Urban, he speculates that Jags might turn to Day to if Urban declines. I think Day would be crazy to leave OSU now. He sits at top of College Football as the #2 guy now, with Saban being 69 years old and Day 28 years his junior.

He has not missed a beat on recruiting. Hell, might even bet better. And recruiting feeds on success. He should ride that train for at least 10 years. At least.

PS - Has a 23-1 record. (Not sure he can make it 24-1, but if he did.....)

Schefter reported that Day has no interest in the NFL right now


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[BillDoran]

Been reading the offseason content, and one thing I'm befuddled by is the general acceptance that Josh Proctor will start as the deep safety. The thinking goes Sevyn Banks and Cameron Brown at corners, Ransom as the safety/slot corner and Proctor deep.

The biggest weakness in last year's defense was the deep safety. There was just nobody able to fill that one-high role. Hooker looked poor (and he's in trouble anyways), and I thought there was a belief that Proctor didn't fit either and probably worked best closer to the line of scrimmage. I think they gave Williamson some snaps back there as well, but I don't think he staked a claim.

I suppose I'm just confused why there's not more concern about sending Proctor back there again this year. He's got a world of talent, but I don't think he's a particularly good cover safety. Given the amount of talent on the roster, potential of the team and the glaring weaknesses in the defensive backfield, I'm surprised we haven't heard more names thrown around. It's obviously really early, and I'm sure we'll hear more talk, but I hope Proctor isn't just given the role on seniority alone.

[RedTeamGo!]

Been reading the offseason content, and one thing I'm befuddled by is the general acceptance that Josh Proctor will start as the deep safety. The thinking goes Sevyn Banks and Cameron Brown at corners, Ransom as the safety/slot corner and Proctor deep.

The biggest weakness in last year's defense was the deep safety. There was just nobody able to fill that one-high role. Hooker looked poor (and he's in trouble anyways), and I thought there was a belief that Proctor didn't fit either and probably worked best closer to the line of scrimmage. I think they gave Williamson some snaps back there as well, but I don't think he staked a claim.

I suppose I'm just confused why there's not more concern about sending Proctor back there again this year. He's got a world of talent, but I don't think he's a particularly good cover safety. Given the amount of talent on the roster, potential of the team and the glaring weaknesses in the defensive backfield, I'm surprised we haven't heard more names thrown around. It's obviously really early, and I'm sure we'll hear more talk, but I hope Proctor isn't just given the role on seniority alone.

I think it’s just a glaring weakness and he’s the best option. Who else is there?

[bucksfan2]

I think it’s just a glaring weakness and he’s the best option. Who else is there?

I think the single high safety defense works well when you have the players, and you recruit to it. Its the defense Day likes and wants to play, and in his first year he had a loaded roster who could play that D. It helps when you have the #1 CB and #1 DE on the roster, as well as another first round CB and one of the better slot CB's in the country.

I think Proctor is one of their best DB's and you want him in the game. I don't think the single high is the place for him to play, to be honest, he may be more of the "bullet." He may be undersized to play LB, but he can run and hit, which I think can work.

One thing that gets lost with last year's defense is the lack of practice they got. They played a truncated 8 games, lost all of spring practice, the fall practice was a mess. The guys learning a new position didn't get the reps they needed. A full spring will do wonders for the defense, as well as an increased pass rush they should see this season. One thing I am interested in seeing is at what point does the B1G relax the covid protocols? Will it be when 75%+ get vaccinated? That may go a long way in returning to a regular type of practice/development.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I don’t think Proctor was all that bad. It was his first year starting and he was replacing a 3 year starter and captain that started in the NFL as a rookie, so a drop off is to be expected.

None of this young guys got spring practice and they got to play 6 games in a really weird year. I think guys like Proctor are going to make huge leaps and he won’t be alone.

[RedTeamGo!]

I think the single high safety defense works well when you have the players, and you recruit to it. Its the defense Day likes and wants to play, and in his first year he had a loaded roster who could play that D. It helps when you have the #1 CB and #1 DE on the roster, as well as another first round CB and one of the better slot CB's in the country.

I think Proctor is one of their best DB's and you want him in the game. I don't think the single high is the place for him to play, to be honest, he may be more of the "bullet." He may be undersized to play LB, but he can run and hit, which I think can work.

One thing that gets lost with last year's defense is the lack of practice they got. They played a truncated 8 games, lost all of spring practice, the fall practice was a mess. The guys learning a new position didn't get the reps they needed. A full spring will do wonders for the defense, as well as an increased pass rush they should see this season. One thing I am interested in seeing is at what point does the B1G relax the covid protocols? Will it be when 75%+ get vaccinated? That may go a long way in returning to a regular type of practice/development.

I agree, my point was that simply Proctor is the best option at this time. I wouldn’t be shocked if someone like Martinez, Shaw, or Cavazos makes a ton of noise this spring and summer and start pushing for more PT. I could see Martinez turning heads, he’s a freak athlete.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I agree, my point was that simply Proctor is the best option at this time. I wouldn’t be shocked if someone like Martinez, Shaw, or Cavazos makes a ton of noise this spring and summer and start pushing for more PT. I could see Martinez turning heads, he’s a freak athlete.

Martinez is more of a comer isn’t he?

I think Kourt Williams might get some run at safety assuming he recovers from the ACL injury. He’s been getting talked up in spring practice a bit.

[BillDoran]

I think it’s just a glaring weakness and he’s the best option. Who else is there?

I mean, yeah, but it's weird to have championship aspirations, know the backend was a nightmare, then just roll out the old situation.

They could have looked in the transfer portal, found a grad transfer, moved some other players around, I don't know. It's just strange to see Proctor as the assumed starter after a subpar season back there. I imagine we'll see some other solutions, whether that's more two-high, other players back there or maybe more reps is all that's needed.

Part of me wonders if you could switch Ransom and Proctor. Not sure Proctor has the footspeed to stay with slot guys, but I do like him near the line of scrimmage. No idea how Ransom would look back there, but he was solid in his limited time last year.

[BillDoran]

Martinez is more of a comer isn’t he?

I think Kourt Williams might get some run at safety assuming he recovers from the ACL injury. He’s been getting talked up in spring practice a bit.

Williams is the guy that comes to mind for me as well. There seemed to be early talk about him (think Day said he's a future captain), but he's pretty stout. I wonder if he's a deep coverage guy. Perhaps Watts and all his length or Cavazos's athleticism get a look. No idea what to think of Shaw at this point.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Williams is the guy that comes to mind for me as well. There seemed to be early talk about him (think Day said he's a future captain), but he's pretty stout. I wonder if he's a deep coverage guy. Perhaps Watts and all his length or Cavazos's athleticism get a look. No idea what to think of Shaw at this point.

Yeah I mean none of those guys got any run because of all the weirdness last season.

I think outside of Olave, Wilson, Garrett, Ruckert, Munford, Miller and NPF every other starting spot has at least nominal competition.

[bucksfan2]

I agree, my point was that simply Proctor is the best option at this time. I wouldn’t be shocked if someone like Martinez, Shaw, or Cavazos makes a ton of noise this spring and summer and start pushing for more PT. I could see Martinez turning heads, he’s a freak athlete.

I don't think Shaw has much of a shot at PT this year. Never heard his name mentioned at all last season, which was kinda surprising considering how bad the defense was.

I don't know if the "Bullet" is the same position as this, but when OSU has had great defenses, they always had an undersized but fast LB, or a converted S playing a key roll. Derron Lee and Cee Grant come to mind, Lee who was a fast LB and Grant who was a converted S. Pete Warner may have foot that bill, but they moved his position last season. I wonder if Proctor could beef up and play the "bullet" or whatever the LB equivalent of that is.

Kourt is out for spring which I think hurts him. IIRC he was recruited to play the bullet position.

Cavazons probably profiles as a CB same as Watt.

I think Martinez may be the type of guy who just needs to be on the football field.

[RedTeamGo!]

I don't think Shaw has much of a shot at PT this year. Never heard his name mentioned at all last season, which was kinda surprising considering how bad the defense was.

I don't know if the "Bullet" is the same position as this, but when OSU has had great defenses, they always had an undersized but fast LB, or a converted S playing a key roll. Derron Lee and Cee Grant come to mind, Lee who was a fast LB and Grant who was a converted S. Pete Warner may have foot that bill, but they moved his position last season. I wonder if Proctor could beef up and play the "bullet" or whatever the LB equivalent of that is.

Kourt is out for spring which I think hurts him. IIRC he was recruited to play the bullet position.

Cavazons probably profiles as a CB same as Watt.

I think Martinez may be the type of guy who just needs to be on the football field.

Kourt Williams just can’t get on the field, a real bummer. Everyone was really excited about him.

[BillDoran]

Kourt Williams just can’t get on the field, a real bummer. Everyone was really excited about him.

Think it's just the one injury. I don't know that he's reached Justin Hillard snakebitten levels just yet.

[*BaseClogger*]

Anybody see this tweet yesterday?

17093

https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1377002010403336200

[BuckeyeRed27]

I mean Tuf Borland isn’t an NFL player so I’m not sure that’s too surprising.

[RedTeamGo!]

Good thing Borland got PT over Mitchell and Gant. Fantastic!

[RedTeamGo!]

I mean Tuf Borland isn’t an NFL player so I’m not sure that’s too surprising.

He should have never played at OSU. He’s a MAC talent.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Good thing Borland got PT over Mitchell and Gant. Fantastic!

Last year it was just so obvious when Hilliard was on the field he made a way bigger difference than Borland. Didn’t even have to get into Gant or those other guys.

[RedTeamGo!]

Last year it was just so obvious when Hilliard was on the field he made a way bigger difference than Borland. Didn’t even have to get into Gant or those other guys.

Yep. Hilliard too. Gant went to my HS so I am biased towards him, but he looked so much more athletic and fast when he was on the field than Borland. Tuf Borland is actually German for “addition by subtraction”

[bucksfan2]

He should have never played at OSU. He’s a MAC talent.

That is a little harsh. Tuf didn't deserve to start at OSU, but he wasn't that bad of a player.

He shouldn't have seen the field as much as he did. Think the OSU staff though, hey he helps us limit the big play, lets keep him in the game. Against lesser talented teams, it worked, against teams who could scheme him on a back, it was bad news.

[BuckeyeRed27]

That is a little harsh. Tuf didn't deserve to start at OSU, but he wasn't that bad of a player.

He shouldn't have seen the field as much as he did. Think the OSU staff though, hey he helps us limit the big play, lets keep him in the game. Against lesser talented teams, it worked, against teams who could scheme him on a back, it was bad news.

Yeah it wasn’t his fault, but he’s never gonna live down the clip of trying to cover Devonta Smith.

Coaches definitely fall in love with the “coach on the field” thing with middle linebackers. They were actively trying to play 5 DBs to limit the need for Borland, which was great with the 19 secondary, but not so much the 20 secondary.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Don’t want to overreact to spring game stuff, but Stroud looks like the obvious starter. Embuka is an absolute burner and Sawyer looks as advertised. No way those 2 guys aren’t on the field this year a lot.

[RedTeamGo!]

Don’t want to overreact to spring game stuff, but Stroud looks like the obvious starter. Embuka is an absolute burner and Sawyer looks as advertised. No way those 2 guys aren’t on the field this year a lot.

As I’ve been saying since last year: I’ll be absolutely shocked if Fleming does not transfer. JSN has seemingly solidified himself as the number 3, williams is already above him, and it’s looking like Egbuka and Harrison are already leapfrogging him. I’m frankly shocked he hasn’t already transferred.

[BuckeyeRed27]

As I’ve been saying since last year: I’ll be absolutely shocked if Fleming does not transfer. JSN has seemingly solidified himself as the number 3, williams is already above him, and it’s looking like Egbuka and Harrison are already leapfrogging him. I’m frankly shocked he hasn’t already transferred.

He got banged up in practice and didn’t play today, but Day and Hartline were talking him up the other day. He still seems like the most natural fit behind Olave. There is no way it’s an even split rotation this year, Olave and Wilson are going to play more. Seems like Gee Scott is going to move to TE, which could be incredible.

I’d guess an even split with JSN and Williams. Fleming when Olave comes out and Embuka when Wilson comes out. Harrison probably gets the 4 WR sets which seemingly will be more prevalent this year.

[jwdoc77]

As I’ve been saying since last year: I’ll be absolutely shocked if Fleming does not transfer. JSN has seemingly solidified himself as the number 3, williams is already above him, and it’s looking like Egbuka and Harrison are already leapfrogging him. I’m frankly shocked he hasn’t already transferred.

He’s been hurt this spring. That’s why he was no where to be found in that rotation. Gee Scott Jr. moved to tight end (also hurt so didn’t play). It does sound like Harrison Jr has made the most of his opportunities from what we have heard coming out of spring ball. Egbuka looked good today too....but I’d be surprised if a healthy Fleming isn’t right behind JSN and ahead or even with Jameson Williams if healthy this fall.

[RedTeamGo!]

I’m not saying that as a knock on Fleming, I think he’d be crazy not to transfer at this point. He would be WR1 on like 90% of rosters right now.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I’m not saying that as a knock on Fleming, I think he’d be crazy not to transfer at this point. He would be WR1 on like 90% of rosters right now.

The WR room is crazy. Running backs look good. Probably have the best TE in the nation. OL looks very solid. Hope Stroud is up to the challenge.

[BillDoran]

I’m not saying that as a knock on Fleming, I think he’d be crazy not to transfer at this point. He would be WR1 on like 90% of rosters right now.

I'd typically agree and wouldn't necessarily be shocked were Fleming to leave (there seemed to be a clear media effort to pump Fleming up this week), but Hartline's got some weird magic right now. When Fleming signed on with fellow 5-star JSN and top-100 Gee Scott (along with since-transferred top-100 Mookie Cooper) and 5-star Garrett Wilson already in the fold, he was clearly comfortable with competition. Same reason 5-star Egbuka and top-100s Harrison Jr. and Ballard joined. Same reason 5-star Caleb Burton committed.

Whatever Hartline is selling, these guys are buying it. And I'd imagine each one of these dudes is bombarded with recruiting pitches about OSU's depth chart. Maybe Fleming being the No. 1 receiver in the country had different expectations than the others, but I would bet he sticks it out. He knows what he signed up for. He's trying to fight through an injury. It was made clear this week that they really value him. After the coming season, the depth chart will open up quite a bit. Due to Olave and Wilson absorbing the majority of catches, I'd bet, outside JSN, none of the young WRs stake a claim as a starter for fall 2022. Assuming health, Fleming will get enough action (a handful of meaningful catches, lots of blowout targets, some special teams work) to keep him happy, then 2022 will be what 2021 is to Zach Harrison (show us you're a star year).

[gonelong]

Whatever Hartline is selling, these guys are buying it.

My guess, based on bits and pieces picked up in interviews with the players:

You will get top tier/the best coaches and training staff
You will compete with the top people at your position
Practice against the top players on the other side of the ball.
Elite competition, training, coaching, etc. will best prepare you for the NFL
A clear path to win both Conference and National Championships
An OSU degree sets you up in Columbus for life - if you keep your nose clean, you will land a good job
Real life Wednesdays - have heard it from a number of 5* (Fortune 500 internships, etc)
Tradition, 100K at the games, etc. - you can become a legend
I have heard they track OL concussions and can show they manager their folks so they have less than other places.
The RBs often talk about having a 2nd back with a decent amount of carries keeps mileage off their bodies heading into the NFL.
OSU leads in branding - I have heard this in recruit interviews - but have not really seen how this pays off. Perhaps with a significant twitter following? Chase Young/Predator was the most visible. Perhaps just the exposure. OSU twitter leads in "interactions".
Plan B: Even if you never crack the starting lineup here, you can transfer and take what you have learned and be successful elsewhere. OSU actively helps their players get to a good situation. (Some schools took and adversarial stance early on with their transfers - that is going to stick with them for a bit. *cough* Michigan *cough*)
Facilities, nutrition, etc. - Every aspect of the programs is top of the line.

There are only 4-5 colleges that can match that full of an offer.

It think they thing that has pushed OSU into the next tier is that they have elevated their academic standing significantly over the years. It allows them to target and land a higher caliber of individual. They kids they have coming in now are often just as impressive academically as they are athletically. Leaders instead of headaches.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/04/122469/ohio-state-receiver-jameson-williams-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal

Jameson Williams is transferring.

[RedTeamGo!]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/04/122469/ohio-state-receiver-jameson-williams-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal

Jameson Williams is transferring.

I was just about to post this! Guess I was wrong about who was going to transfer after all. This is either really good news about Fleming or Williams didn’t want to behind Olave and Wilson another year.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I was just about to post this! Guess I was wrong about who was going to transfer after all. This is either really good news about Fleming or Williams didn’t want to behind Olave and Wilson another year.

I think he just got buried by the freshman and Olave staying. Fleming is just more talented and was getting all the buzz from Hartline for working hard and blocking and all that coach speak stuff.

More or less clears up the log jam for this season though.

[bucksfan2]

I am kinda bummed to see Jamo leave, I thought he could have been a useful player. Issue with him was that he never really developed last season.

Can't teach speed, but come October he would have been with the 3rd stringers. Someone is getting one heck of a player.

[BuckeyeRed27]

I am kinda bummed to see Jamo leave, I thought he could have been a useful player. Issue with him was that he never really developed last season.

Can't teach speed, but come October he would have been with the 3rd stringers. Someone is getting one heck of a player.

Absolutely. RTG was basically making this point with Fleming though, where you just can’t keep 7 or 8 guys when any 1 of them is WR1 at 90% of schools.

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/04/122469/ohio-state-receiver-jameson-williams-enters-ncaa-transfer-portal

Jameson Williams is transferring.

He is going to Bama.

[BillDoran]

He is going to Bama.

This is a dude making business decisions.

Best of luck to him. Hope he's great in Tuscaloosa.

[adkindo]

Ohio State: Is there a scandal coming? (https://scarletandgame.com/2021/05/13/ohio-state-scandal-coming/)


There are rumors that there is a scandal coming for the Ohio State University today. I’m not sure of the exact nature of it yet, but we’ll see what it is.

This is not an article I enjoy writing. In fact, it’s an article I never thought I would write. Any hint of a scandal around the Ohio State University. It seemed to leave once Urban Meyer retired. His Zach Smith thing was the only thing that troubled the Buckeyes over the last decade.

Unfortunately, that sounds like it’s changing. There are rumors swirling around that there is a scandal that is about to hit the Ohio State University. I have no idea the severity of what’s about to happen or who it involves. I’ve only heard rumors.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Whatever it is, it doesn’t sound like it’s bad. The guy that wrote that is a moron.

The speculation is it’s either NIL related or Gene Smith is the new PAC 12 Commissioner.

[BuckeyeRed27]

Well it’s not the Gene Smith thing because they just hired a casino executive. Good job pac 12...

[BuckeyeRed27]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/05/122697/massage-therapist-banned-from-ohio-states-campus-for-inappropriate-and-exploitative-behavior-toward-football

This is what “the scandal” is.

[adkindo]

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2021/05/122697/massage-therapist-banned-from-ohio-states-campus-for-inappropriate-and-exploitative-behavior-toward-football

This is what “the scandal” is.

yeah, it was not a big deal in regards to football or compliance....but I have a hard time adopting the perspective that these 20ish year old males were "victims" which was the spin from the university....and I am going to guess that number was larger than 5. I guess that makes me sexist, but it is just different when it is males....I am sure I would feel much different if it was a male and a Women's athletic team. I guess they are required to disclose investigations as a public university, but I think most people would have been fine if they just kept this news in house.

[JaxRed]

Desean Watson - "I'm shocked.......Got her number?"