UK Basketball 2020-2021: ? Has Entered the Draft/Transfer Portal

[WVRed]

Johnny Juzang enters the portal.

Was kinda surprised but it tells me Quickley and/or Maxey will be back. Surprised nobody from Kentucky has declared for the draft yet but you have to feel it’s coming.

Hopefully this ends Cal recruiting the west coast. First Jemarl Baker and now Juzang. Devin Askew reclassified but he looks to be one and done.

Still, a loaded recruiting class coming in. Should be interesting to see who comes back.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Juzang, wanting to move back west, has Villanova, Texas Tech, Notre Dame, and Virginia in his final six schools.

EJ Montgomery's Dad basically said he's ready to leave. Quickley looks like an early 2nd rounder, so he's likely going to go as well. Maxey's a late lottery guy. (Maybe.)

The one that confuses me, in terms of draft picking, is Nick Richards. Dude went 14/8. Michigan State and OSU aside, he played his best ball against the best teams Kentucky played. (And the best bigs.) He's an elite athlete, a rim-runner who can also shoot already out to 18. Premier defender and shot blocker. Outstanding rebounder. His upside is an All-Star level stretch five. His floor is a second-unit rim-runner and 15 mpg defense-first guy who won't embarrass himself against wings or bigs.

That should have value, especially in a weak draft.

Explain it to me, Kentucky fans.

[Assembly Hall]

Juzang, wanting to move back west, has Villanova, Texas Tech, Notre Dame, and Virginia in his final six schools.



Not what Yahoo reported this morning. It was UCLA, Arizona, Oregon, 'Nova, Texas Tech, and Notre Dame.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Interesting game on KSR. You've got $15 and need a starting five from the following list:

$5 Guys
John Wall
Jamal Murray
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Karl-Anthony Towns
Anthony Davis

$4 Guys
Brandon Knight
Malik Monk
Devin Booker
Julius Randle
DeMarcus Cousins

$3 Guys
D'Aaron Fox
Doron Lamb
D. Miller
Terrence Jones
Willie Cauley-Stein

$2 Guys
Tyler Ulis
Aaron Harrison
Tyler Herro
PJ Washington
Bam Adebayo

$1 Guys
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
I. Quickley
Kevin Knox
P. Patterson
Nick Richards

My picks:
PG SGA
SG Monk
SF Booker
PF Patterson
C AD
They'll be loose with the ball, but SGA and AD are great college-level defenders, and Patterson's not too far behind. Better, I might have an elite shooting team. And the length would be ridiculous.

Who you got?

[WVRed]

Interesting game on KSR. You've got $15 and need a starting five from the following list:

$5 Guys
John Wall
Jamal Murray
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Karl-Anthony Towns
Anthony Davis

$4 Guys
Brandon Knight
Malik Monk
Devin Booker
Julius Randle
DeMarcus Cousins

$3 Guys
D'Aaron Fox
Doron Lamb
D. Miller
Terrence Jones
Willie Cauley-Stein

$2 Guys
Tyler Ulis
Aaron Harrison
Tyler Herro
PJ Washington
Bam Adebayo

$1 Guys
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
I. Quickley
Kevin Knox
P. Patterson
Nick Richards

My picks:
PG SGA
SG Monk
SF Booker
PF Patterson
C AD
They'll be loose with the ball, but SGA and AD are great college-level defenders, and Patterson's not too far behind. Better, I might have an elite shooting team. And the length would be ridiculous.

Who you got?

PG-Ulis (2)
SG-Lamb (3)
SF-Booker (4)
PF-Randle (4)
C-Adebayo (2)

Up front might be testing it, but Ulis as a $2 player is a great value and would probably be a $4-$5 on any other teams top PGs. Same with Adebayo.

Lamb and Booker are the two best shooters in the Cal era.

Could easily have swapped Knight for Ulis and Washington for Randle. Imagine having to guard Knight, Lamb, and Booker.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Lamb and Booker are the two best shooters in the Cal era.

Okay, you talked me into it.

PG Ulis
SG Lamb
SF Booker
PF Patterson
C AD

Ulis was outstanding on the ball and would have help if he ever got beat. Wing defense would be non-existent, but I'm guessing they'd shoot better than their opposition even so. Patterson is an elite rebounder and finisher around the basket and an All-SEC First-Team Defense guy. AD is... AD.

[WVRed]

To the surprise of nobody:

BREAKING: Ashton Hagans declares for the NBA Draft

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/breaking-ashton-hagans-declares-for-the-nba-draft/

Hope he likes the G-League.

[cumberlandreds]

To the surprise of nobody:

BREAKING: Ashton Hagans declares for the NBA Draft

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/breaking-ashton-hagans-declares-for-the-nba-draft/

Hope he likes the G-League.

Same here. I just don't see him ever being much of an NBA player. Same for any of those guys on the 19-20 team. Maybe Maxey in time. Richards could be a good backup I suppose if he keeps working at being more consistent. But its rinse and repeat for the next season. Whenever that may be.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Same here. I just don't see him ever being much of an NBA player.

Really like Richards as a backup/ second-division starting center in the WCS mold. As a floor, he's a second unit defender and rim-runner, but his upside is of a three-point shooter/ stretch five who can rebound.

Maxey may end up a better shooter at the next level, but he's probably a second-unit microwave guy. Ditto Quickley.

Hagans might be that guy too, but that's his ceiling.

All three are willing and capable defenders. That counts for something.

Montgomery, I have no clue.

[WVRed]

Maxey going pro, no surprise.

Keion Brooks Jr coming back as well. Going to be fighting for minutes with Isaiah Jackson and Lance Ware.

Matt Haarms is a possibility as a grad transfer. Thoughts?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Matt Haarms is a possibility as a grad transfer. Thoughts?

7'3" true center.

Mobile and an exceptional defender at the rim.

Can shoot, but took a slight step back last season offensively. He struggled a bit in the Big 10 last year. Frankly, he hasn't shown much growth over his three year career. I'd love to have him just for the tools. As a "veteran," he'd be a great last line of defense and allow the Cats much more favorable matchups against just about anyone.

[cumberlandreds]

Johnny Juzang enters the portal.

Was kinda surprised but it tells me Quickley and/or Maxey will be back. Surprised nobody from Kentucky has declared for the draft yet but you have to feel it’s coming.

Hopefully this ends Cal recruiting the west coast. First Jemarl Baker and now Juzang. Devin Askew reclassified but he looks to be one and done.

Still, a loaded recruiting class coming in. Should be interesting to see who comes back.

Juzang to UCLA. I think he may have been homesick more than anything.

[Bourgeois Zee]

As one leaves, another (two?) enter.

Davion Mintz (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/davion-mintz-1.html), Creighton PG, transfers to UK. He'll likely split time with Devin Askew at the point. Known for good defense and a steady hand on the ball, he's a willing passer and streaky shooter.

Kentucky also apparently leads for Purdue grad transfer Matt Haarms (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matt-haarms-1.html). He's another very strong defender and can knock down the open three as well.

Should Kentucky add both, they're floor rises a great deal and their ceiling improves too. Haarm as a rim-protecting center is the kind of piece most squads just don't have. Surrounding him with bucket-getting wings (and a solid-shooting and rebounding stretch four like Brooks) provides Calipari with a squad who might not only compete for a title, but be favored to win one at the outset of the season.

[WVRed]

As one leaves, another (two?) enter.

Davion Mintz (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/davion-mintz-1.html), Creighton PG, transfers to UK. He'll likely split time with Devin Askew at the point. Known for good defense and a steady hand on the ball, he's a willing passer and streaky shooter.

Kentucky also apparently leads for Purdue grad transfer Matt Haarms (https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/matt-haarms-1.html). He's another very strong defender and can knock down the open three as well.

Should Kentucky add both, they're floor rises a great deal and their ceiling improves too. Haarm as a rim-protecting center is the kind of piece most squads just don't have. Surrounding him with bucket-getting wings (and a solid-shooting and rebounding stretch four like Brooks) provides Calipari with a squad who might not only compete for a title, but be favored to win one at the outset of the season.

The only concerns I see with this team as it stands:

1. Inside scoring. Nick Richards is likely gone and even if they get Matt Haarms he’s more of a defensive player.

2. Perimeter shooting. Not sure how good BJ Boston and Terrence Clarke will be from the perimeter. It just seems like UK has had a major problem with streakiness from there in recent years with the exception of Quickley late last season.

Speaking of Quickley, he gone too.

[Bourgeois Zee]

1. Inside scoring. Nick Richards is likely gone and even if they get Matt Haarms he’s more of a defensive player.

Maybe. I suspect, if EJ Montgomery stays, he's your inside scoring threat, such as it is. If not, Brooks can post his man pretty easily. So can Boston (whose length is ridiculous). Or Clarke (whose hops are even more so). I'd prefer, however, that Calipari just go to a five-out offense with no discernible post player. Five guys rotate. Five guys push the ball. Five guys run like Hades. I love that style, and he may be pushed to do that with this squad.


2. Perimeter shooting. Not sure how good BJ Boston and Terrence Clarke will be from the perimeter. It just seems like UK has had a major problem with streakiness from there in recent years with the exception of Quickley late last season.


As always, perimeter shooting is a concern. You just don't know how young people are going to react to the college game. That said, Mintz is a capable shooter (35% from deep). Dontiae Allen could absolutely fill it up from 30 feet in in high school. He's been practicing for a season at UK and should have a (much) better idea of how fast the college game really is. Brooks has good range from deep at the stretch four. If Haarm or Montgomery come back, Kentucky could have above average shooters already at three or four spots.

[WVRed]

KATs mother passed away today from the Coronavirus:


BREAKING: Jacqueline Cruz, mother of Karl-Anthony Towns, passes away due to the coronavirus

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/breaking-jacqueline-cruz-mother-of-karl-anthony-towns-passes-away-due-to-the-coronavirus/

Thoughts and prayers.

[WVRed]

Interesting list of players who should have stayed longer than they did in Lexington. I can’t say I disagree with any of it:


BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: The 16 Players Who Needed To Come Back in the Calipari Era (Sans 2020 Guys)

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/btis-rants-and-ramblingsranking-the-16-cal-players-who-needed-to-come-back-sans-2020-guys/

[WVRed]

Nick Richards gone. Only one left to wait and see on is Montgomery.

[cumberlandreds]

Nick Richards gone. Only one left to wait and see on is Montgomery.

Richards is an example of why I like to follow college sports. He worked hard improved himself tremendously over three years. That has a lot of satisfaction for me to see someone improve like he did. But we don't get to see that much at UK. One and gone. I know Cal has had great success at what he has done but for the most part it leaves you with hollow feeling at the end of most seasons.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Richards is an example of why I like to follow college sports. He worked hard improved himself tremendously over three years. That has a lot of satisfaction for me to see someone improve like he did. But we don't get to see that much at UK. One and gone. I know Cal has had great success at what he has done but for the most part it leaves you with hollow feeling at the end of most seasons.

I really disagree with this.

Kids go to college to make their lives better. To learn how to become successful in life and to earn "life-changing" money.

These kids are doing just that.

We should be proud of the advantages Calipari and the Kentucky program have helped provide 65+ (!) kids.

It doesn't matter if it's Marquis Teague's $3 million or AD's $350 million. Nearly all of them will be able to retire way earlier than I ever will with enough money in the bank to affect generations.

Now, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed seeing and rooting for Nick Richards for three years and felt a deeper satisfaction with his development than, say, Archie Goodwin's 2013 flash across the bow. But I can't ever begrudge Goodwin for deciding to move onto the NBA after one season in order to make his $5+ million (to date).

[WVRed]

I really disagree with this.

Kids go to college to make their lives better. To learn how to become successful in life and to earn "life-changing" money.

These kids are doing just that.

We should be proud of the advantages Calipari and the Kentucky program have helped provide 65+ (!) kids.

It doesn't matter if it's Marquis Teague's $3 million or AD's $350 million. Nearly all of them will be able to retire way earlier than I ever will with enough money in the bank to affect generations.

Now, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed seeing and rooting for Nick Richards for three years and felt a deeper satisfaction with his development than, say, Archie Goodwin's 2013 flash across the bow. But I can't ever begrudge Goodwin for deciding to move onto the NBA after one season in order to make his $5+ million (to date).

Except in this case kids who really have little interest in an education are exploiting a broken system to try to get to the pros, whether it’s the NBA, the G-League, or overseas.

I know you and I have differing opinions on this. Players either leave Lexington because they want to go straight to the pros or because they don’t want to fight for a roster spot with an incoming freshman. You can see the link I posted earlier that had a lot of players who left Kentucky way earlier than they should have and in the process could have gambled on themselves and made a bigger jump.

Example: Do you think a sophomore Marquis Teague would have been an upgrade over Ryan Harrow in 2013 and improved his draft stock? Same with Doron Lamb who was already a great but undersized SG but could have moved to PG full time to mask that at the next level?

Cals best teams are ones with players who stay and improve. There’s no continuity with these teams ever since 2015 and it’s frustrating to watch.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Except in this case kids who really have little interest in an education are exploiting a broken system to try to get to the pros, whether it’s the NBA, the G-League, or overseas.

What is an education for, WV?

To make money.

And I'm going to disagree all day about their education. They get taught plenty, as seen by how much most typically improve by season's end.

Would Teague have made the Kentucky team better in 2013? Sure.

Does he owe that to the university? Not any more than Bill Gates owed Harvard to stick around and graduate. Or Steve Jobs owed Reed College.

[WVRed]

What is an education for, WV?

To make money.

And I'm going to disagree all day about their education. They get taught plenty, as seen by how much most typically improve by season's end.

Would Teague have made the Kentucky team better in 2013? Sure.

Does he owe that to the university? Not any more than Bill Gates owed Harvard to stick around and graduate. Or Steve Jobs owed Reed College.

The point of going to college though is to get an education which leads to a degree.

How many of those players come back and actually finish their degree later? I’m sure there are some but you pretty much have players like James Young who have one foot out the door before sitting foot on campus.

I’m not even debating whether Teague owed it to Kentucky. What I’m questioning though is that he could have came back and taken a step forward as a sophomore, likely improving his draft stock and making him a lottery pick.

There’s so many players in the last 10 years who could have done that but have left early either by their own lack of interest in college or because Cal had someone waiting in the wings to take their spot.

[Bourgeois Zee]

The point of going to college though is to get an education which leads to a degree.

And that degree leads to making money.

These guys are able to skip the degree part.


How many of those players come back and actually finish their degree later? I’m sure there are some but you pretty much have players like James Young who have one foot out the door before sitting foot on campus.

So? What does it matter that he has "one foot out the door"? He knows what he wants-- and that's to make as much money as possible for his family. Why should any of us dismiss that?


I’m not even debating whether Teague owed it to Kentucky. What I’m questioning though is that he could have came back and taken a step forward as a sophomore, likely improving his draft stock and making him a lottery pick.

Or he could have gotten injured. Or played badly. Or been stuck behind someone else. Teague ended up making $3 million. None of us knows what would have happened had he stayed.


There’s so many players in the last 10 years who could have done that but have left early either by their own lack of interest in college or because Cal had someone waiting in the wings to take their spot.

Again, they're not coming to Kentucky to get a degree. They're coming to get experience and learn the craft so they can get paid at the professional level.

Calipari has helped make 50 kids nearly a billion dollars while at Kentucky. (More, if you count shoe contracts and other endorsements.) That should be celebrated, not dismissed as a negative by-product of collegiate success.

[cumberlandreds]

I really disagree with this.

Kids go to college to make their lives better. To learn how to become successful in life and to earn "life-changing" money.

These kids are doing just that.

We should be proud of the advantages Calipari and the Kentucky program have helped provide 65+ (!) kids.

It doesn't matter if it's Marquis Teague's $3 million or AD's $350 million. Nearly all of them will be able to retire way earlier than I ever will with enough money in the bank to affect generations.

Now, don't get me wrong. I enjoyed seeing and rooting for Nick Richards for three years and felt a deeper satisfaction with his development than, say, Archie Goodwin's 2013 flash across the bow. But I can't ever begrudge Goodwin for deciding to move onto the NBA after one season in order to make his $5+ million (to date).

I'll agree to disagree. I enjoyed UK basketball because the kids that did come there enjoyed playing the game and made themselves better in all aspects of life. Becoming a pro and making money was a by-product of it. Not the main reason why they came there. I'm idealistic to some degree on this. They should be there to become fully rounded human beings. Not just to make money for themselves.
Like I have said you can't argue with Cal's system too much. He's won and that's bottom line of why he is there. I'm old and I have found I like the old ways better of building a team,watching players get better as they progress from season to season. But in today's world of having no patience and instant gratification that isn't they way of the times.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I'll agree to disagree. I enjoyed UK basketball because the kids that did come there enjoyed playing the game and made themselves better in all aspects of life. Becoming a pro and making money was a by-product of it. Not the main reason why they came there. I'm idealistic to some degree on this. They should be there to become fully rounded human beings. Not just to make money for themselves.
Like I have said you can't argue with Cal's system too much. He's won and that's bottom line of why he is there. I'm old and I have found I like the old ways better of building a team,watching players get as they progress from season to season. But in today's world of having no patience and instant gratification that isn't they way of the times.

That's not an idealistic take, cumberland. It's head in the sand naive, man.

Kids have come to UK for 50 years (at least) in order to make themselves better to enter the professional ranks. Maybe some of the walk-ons and Kentucky boys (Richie Farmer, for example) saw Kentucky as the end-all of their journey, but most of them certainly didn't. (Rex Chapman talks about this in his podcast occasionally, btw.) Kentucky, like any college or university, was and is a means to an end, nearly ever a destination itself.

[cumberlandreds]

That's not an idealistic take, cumberland. It's head in the sand naive, man.

Kids have come to UK for 50 years (at least) in order to make themselves better to enter the professional ranks. Maybe some of the walk-ons and Kentucky boys (Richie Farmer, for example) saw Kentucky as the end-all of their journey, but most of them certainly didn't. (Rex Chapman talks about this in his podcast occasionally, btw.) Kentucky, like any college or university, was and is a means to an end, nearly ever a destination itself.

And if my head is the sand then I like it better that way. :) Also they didn't come there 50 years ago to make money. Sure it was a great place to play and if the pros came calling afterwards it was gravy. I doubt Dan Issell,Jack Givens,Kevin Grevey and Rick Robey came there with the pros first in their mind. It was a way to play the game at a high level and against the best. Not looking at a pro contract before they ever set foot on campus.

[Bourgeois Zee]

And if my head is the sand then I like it better that way. :) Also they didn't come there 50 years ago to make money. Sure it was a great place to play and if the pros came calling afterwards it was gravy. I doubt Dan Issell,Jack Givens,Kevin Grevey and Rick Robey came there with the pros first in their mind. It was a way to play the game at a high level and against the best. Not looking at a pro contract before they ever set foot on campus.

Fair enough. I disagree completely with you. But that's cool.

[WVRed]

EJ Montgomery gone and Rod Strickland trying to get Terrence Clarke to go to the G-League.

Only two players returning from last year, Keion Brooks and Dontaie Allen, who sat out all of last season with an injury.

[Bourgeois Zee]

EJ Montgomery decides to go pro as well.

That's a questionable decision, IMO, but it's his life.

Calipari's squad will have Keion Brooks and Dontaie Allen from last year's team.

That's pretty much it.

And Allen redshirted due to injury.

So, yeah.

He's going to need at least one more grad transfer.

[adkindo]

The point of going to college though is to get an education which leads to a degree.

I think we need to get back to this being the primary goal for all students on campus. I am not blaming the student athletes at all...they are just playing the hand they have been dealt. Having students on campus who are not primarily in class to learn for self development or prepare for a career is a hindrance to everyone else including the professors and other students. Again, I am not pointing the blame at any student athlete, they did not design the current system.

When I say hindrance, I will give you another example. I have a friend that sought a graduate degree from an regionally accredited private for profit college. She chose the path because of her professional and personal obligations did not allow for a traditional route. She went to undergrad at a Patriot League school, so she was well educated. She would rave about the professors at the graduate school, and how they would intertwine real world work with teaching, etc. etc., but she pointed out a massive issue to me that I had not considered. The classes were heavy with adults that were there simply because their employer was paying for it, and they were not invested in learning or becoming prepared for advancement in their careers. They were not doing anything extreme to disrupt class, but the very fact that they were not there for the right reasons combines with the fact that a for profit school will try to ensure nobody drops out, everyone was somewhat held back to ensure they kept up. My ex-wife went to UK during the Pitino, Walker, Mercer, McCarty, etc. era.....and she has similar stories in classes she shared with them. The very fact that they were somewhat "celebrities" on campus and the fact that they were not really invested in the education....they often became a distraction in class even though they did little in class outside of set in the back of the room and fall asleep.

The fact is they probably should have either been in some form of minor league system or the NBA itself instead of being forced to be a student @ UK.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Having students on campus who are not primarily in class to learn for self development or prepare for a career is a hindrance to everyone else including the professors and other students.

These guys are trying to development and prepare for a career by going to college-- it's just remarkably specialized.

If you listen to the interviews of the players, they mention how they developed within the program (ie, college) and often profusely thank coaches, professors, tutors, and support staff for helping them learn and develop in their chosen field. Some of them don't often need four years of school.

To say that they aren't invested in their education is completely asinine. How many hours per week do they spend learning? More than any other students, I can guarantee you. They are in school to advance in their career-- to learn and to make money. That is the very definition of the right reason.

[WVRed]

UK just picked up another transfer, Obi Toppins younger brother:


BREAKING: Rhode Island transfer Jacob Toppin commits to KENTUCKY

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/breaking-rhode-island-transfer-jacob-toppin-commits-to-kentucky/

[adkindo]

These guys are trying to development and prepare for a career by going to college-- it's just remarkably specialized.

If you listen to the interviews of the players, they mention how they developed within the program (ie, college) and often profusely thank coaches, professors, tutors, and support staff for helping them learn and develop in their chosen field. Some of them don't often need four years of school.

To say that they aren't invested in their education is completely asinine. How many hours per week do they spend learning? More than any other students, I can guarantee you. They are in school to advance in their career-- to learn and to make money. That is the very definition of the right reason.

this is a silly game you are playing. Universities were not intended to teach people how to play a game. If your point was logical, they would not have majors in communications, education or something else. They spend hours everyday in a class that is attempting to teach them in areas that are not related to why they are in college.

I knew someone would try to bend the argument with the type of point you attempted to make, which is why I really tried to make it clear it was not an anti student athlete position. Why do Universities not have majors in Basketball or Football? If they did, your position would have much more merit, but the reason they do not is because the programs would not receive regional accreditation which is a must for any credible University. The reason the programs would not be regionally accredited is because "learning a single sport is not within the mission of higher learning". Some schools have squeezed in "coaching" majors, but they are full of psychology and other disciplines.....as well as they are not single sport focused...and still they struggled to receive accreditation.

If you are an elite recruit, and have zero interest in attending college classes, you should have a pathway to continue development of your skills outside of the college system. This would not hurt UK or Duke in basketball or Ohio State in football....they would still attract the elite athletes that desire to attend college. Also, this is not suggesting that elite athletes should not attend college....reports are that Zion Williamson very much enjoyed attending Duke both educationally and for athletics....if accurate, then he definitely should consider college even if it ends up being for a short period....as long as he has the desire for the education he is receiving in class. Guys like Ben Simmons did not want to attend college but knew the best way to be drafted high at that time was to attend a major college....so he wasted his time as well as everyone elses. What was the point?

[adkindo]

UK just picked up another transfer, Obi Toppins younger brother:


BREAKING: Rhode Island transfer Jacob Toppin commits to KENTUCKY

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/breaking-rhode-island-transfer-jacob-toppin-commits-to-kentucky/

what are your thoughts? He does not look on tape like Obi did as a Freshman....but then again, I think Obi red shirted. The cynical side of me wonders if a program like UK would have had interest if he was not Obi's brother? I admit, I know so little about him, it is ignorant on my part to make that suggestion.

[Bourgeois Zee]

this is a silly game you are playing. Universities were not intended to teach people how to play a game. If your point was logical, they would not have majors in communications, education or something else. They spend hours everyday in a class that is attempting to teach them in areas that are not related to why they are in college.

I knew someone would try to bend the argument with the type of point you attempted to make, which is why I really tried to make it clear it was not an anti student athlete position. Why do Universities not have majors in Basketball or Football? If they did, your position would have much more merit, but the reason they do not is because the programs would not receive regional accreditation which is a must for any credible University. The reason the programs would not be regionally accredited is because "learning a single sport is not within the mission of higher learning". Some schools have squeezed in "coaching" majors, but they are full of psychology and other disciplines.....as well as they are not single sport focused...and still they struggled to receive accreditation.

If you are an elite recruit, and have zero interest in attending college classes, you should have a pathway to continue development of your skills outside of the college system. This would not hurt UK or Duke in basketball or Ohio State in football....they would still attract the elite athletes that desire to attend college. Also, this is not suggesting that elite athletes should not attend college....reports are that Zion Williamson very much enjoyed attending Duke both educationally and for athletics....if accurate, then he definitely should consider college even if it ends up being for a short period....as long as he has the desire for the education he is receiving in class. Guys like Ben Simmons did not want to attend college but knew the best way to be drafted high at that time was to attend a major college....so he wasted his time as well as everyone elses. What was the point?

1. Universities tout the college experience all the time when trying to acquire elite recruits. They also intend (present tense) to teach them how to play a game that can make said athlete millions of dollars. (And I completely reject your assertion about not teaching people how to play games with the simple major of PE. And the fact that college began intercollegiate sports to... teach their students how to play games through cooperation, sportsmanship, and competition.)

2. Universities don't have majors in Basketball or Football because there aren't enough classes tied to the physical exertion. But that's beside the point. Kids go to certain colleges to learn how to play the game. The degree is secondary (obviously) to the learning. The university touts this learning. The student-athlete buys in. Both benefit. It matters not that there's a major.

3. I have no opinion on attendance in college classes, but would remind you that most of those student-athletes are working and traveling days at a time in addition to attending classes and that a majority of college kids aren't interested in attending class so much as graduating from college so they can go get a good job without having to work too hard for it.

4. Zion Williamson enjoyed his classes at Duke. He also learned from Coach K and the Duke program certain skills-- how to speak to the media, how to handle his finances, how to work with other talented players, how to shoot a jumper with a quicker release, and a thousand other little things that will/ have carried over to the pros. Ben Simmons may have learned those same things at LSU. (Word is that he wasn't a great student.) I know Kentucky players say-- all the time-- how much they learned while at UK. Well, newsflash-- that's why they go to that university. To learn. So that they can then move onto their chosen professional field to make life-changing money, and, later in life, to try and grow and keep it.

5. Some kids waste the time of some adults. Some kids drop out. The number of basketball players who do so pale in comparison to the number of potheads. Or Momma's Boys. Or poor. Or any other number of reasons. Yes, Ben Simmons probably wasted the time of LSU professors. But he learned some lessons while there (I assume). He's certainly become a great player and would (again, I assume) say something about how his time in college prepared him for his future as a million-dollar All-Star player in the NBA.

[Bourgeois Zee]

From The Athletic's Kyle Tucker on Toppins (https://theathletic.com/1754802/2020/04/17/why-kentucky-is-betting-on-jacob-toppins-long-term-potential/):


“He’s super athletic. He has more vertical jump than his brother. Yes, Jacob gets off the ground more than Obi,” says their godfather, Victor Monaros, who figures Jacob is flirting with a 40-inch vertical. “Obi is stronger and does it with more flash. What Jacob is missing is that weight and the experience of going through a battle every day in practice, competing and being in structure, discipline and accountability. That stuff teaches you how to fight, and that’s why he’s going to Kentucky. I’m looking forward to watching him become the player the whole family knows he can be there.”

Also mentions he may not be finished growing and could hit 7'0".

[adkindo]

1. Universities tout the college experience all the time when trying to acquire elite recruits. They also intend (present tense) to teach them how to play a game that can make said athlete millions of dollars. (And I completely reject your assertion about not teaching people how to play games with the simple major of PE. And the fact that college began intercollegiate sports to... teach their students how to play games through cooperation, sportsmanship, and competition.)

2. Universities don't have majors in Basketball or Football because there aren't enough classes tied to the physical exertion. But that's beside the point. Kids go to certain colleges to learn how to play the game. The degree is secondary (obviously) to the learning. The university touts this learning. The student-athlete buys in. Both benefit. It matters not that there's a major.

3. I have no opinion on attendance in college classes, but would remind you that most of those student-athletes are working and traveling days at a time in addition to attending classes and that a majority of college kids aren't interested in attending class so much as graduating from college so they can go get a good job without having to work too hard for it.

4. Zion Williamson enjoyed his classes at Duke. He also learned from Coach K and the Duke program certain skills-- how to speak to the media, how to handle his finances, how to work with other talented players, how to shoot a jumper with a quicker release, and a thousand other little things that will/ have carried over to the pros. Ben Simmons may have learned those same things at LSU. (Word is that he wasn't a great student.) I know Kentucky players say-- all the time-- how much they learned while at UK. Well, newsflash-- that's why they go to that university. To learn. So that they can then move onto their chosen professional field to make life-changing money, and, later in life, to try and grow and keep it.

5. Some kids waste the time of some adults. Some kids drop out. The number of basketball players who do so pale in comparison to the number of potheads. Or Momma's Boys. Or poor. Or any other number of reasons. Yes, Ben Simmons probably wasted the time of LSU professors. But he learned some lessons while there (I assume). He's certainly become a great player and would (again, I assume) say something about how his time in college prepared him for his future as a million-dollar All-Star player in the NBA.

We just disagree. I feel like you are viewing my opinion as them not being able to learn all those things they learn from college athletics via another avenue. I am sure they learn a ton in sports because we all learned a ton of life lessons in sports, but it does not have to be on a college campus. Why can't they learn those lessons is the G-League or any other professional route. Who is benefiting from forcing a kid to set in a College 100 level Literature class when the student has zero interest in learning or applying it to degree completion? I am just trying to find the winner in that situation. I feel like it is selfish of me to tell an athlete you have to attend college and take 15 hours of degree seeking classes to continue to play a sport.

Also, in regards to your #2, your assertion to why they do not have single sport degrees in factually incorrect. Schools have spoke to the accreditation agencies in the past to attempt to get some of these programs accredited and they have always been denied under the claim "does not meet the mission of higher learning". In regards to material, I am pretty sure Bob Huggins could teach enough basketball to result in a Doctorate if needed. I am guessing you and I are similar in that we are solid fans, and feel like we know a lot about the game.....but I think our minds would be blown about how little we know by our Sophomore year in the hypothetical Basketball curriculum.

[WVRed]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2020/04/17/kentucky-basketball-annual-roster-turnover-reaches-new-highs/5088960002/

Regarding turnover...

[Bourgeois Zee]

We just disagree. I feel like you are viewing my opinion as them not being able to learn all those things they learn from college athletics via another avenue. I am sure they learn a ton in sports because we all learned a ton of life lessons in sports, but it does not have to be on a college campus. Why can't they learn those lessons is the G-League or any other professional route.

They go to a college campus because that's the best place to learn their craft. Just like lawyers and doctors and engineers. You don't have to go to college to be an accountant. You can learn engineering or law or medicine on your own. But going to school for it sure helps your professional aspirations. Ditto here.

John Calipari can only coach at one place, and-- news flash-- he's really good at developing players. Probably either the best or second-best in the world.

If you could choose anywhere you want to go, why go to a secondary option? Why not use the best place possible to make your dream come true?


Who is benefiting from forcing a kid to set in a College 100 level Literature class when the student has zero interest in learning or applying it to degree completion? I am just trying to find the winner in that situation. I feel like it is selfish of me to tell an athlete you have to attend college and take 15 hours of degree seeking classes to continue to play a sport.

Who's hurt by them attending college? There are literally hundreds of thousands of kids who attend colleges and universities who don't finish their degrees. Or care about them.

Why pick on basketball players?

Too, no one is forcing them to attend school. This is what they want, as evidenced by both free will and other options they continually choose not to take.


Also, in regards to your #2, your assertion to why they do not have single sport degrees in factually incorrect. Schools have spoke to the accreditation agencies in the past to attempt to get some of these programs accredited and they have always been denied under the claim "does not meet the mission of higher learning". In regards to material, I am pretty sure Bob Huggins could teach enough basketball to result in a Doctorate if needed. I am guessing you and I are similar in that we are solid fans, and feel like we know a lot about the game.....but I think our minds would be blown about how little we know by our Sophomore year in the hypothetical Basketball curriculum.

You're going to have to show me that one. With links to evidence. Even if it is true, so what? The kids are there to learn basketball. The degree is unimportant. The skills are. You get those skills best at elite universities and colleges with elite coaching staffs. If a kid can stay eligible, it hurts no one he's in school and learning so that he can then make life-changing money moving forward.

[adkindo]

1. Apples and oranges....you can't practice law or medicine unless you have a degree from an accredited university....or more accurately you are unable to take the exam to gain licensure to practice as a professional in those fields without the degree. Nothing requires a basketball player to attend college to be a professional in basketball.

2. Anytime you place a student in a learning environment that has no interest in learning, there is a potential negative impact on others. Again, stay on subject, from the beginning, I have been talking about student athletes that have no interest in the academic part. You are claiming they want to go, but that simply is not true for many athletes. There was an entire documentary about Ben Simmons and others talking about how it was a waste of their time. Until we have a legitimate path, which it appears we are getting close to, many players viewed college as a requirement to become a professional basketball player. From the beginning, I have never suggested someone that did desire to be a student, even for a short time, should not go to college.

I think we are clearly at a point where it is becoming obvious that you are not evaluating my opinion, but creating a straw man argument, and seeking some moral high ground arguing positions no one has communicated.

3. I do not have any links....this is decades old. I was in school when these attempts were made, and the school was forced to settle on a coaching degree.

http://catalog.wvu.edu/undergraduate/collegeofphysicalactivityandsportsciences/ace/

If you are not believing me for some reason, I am not sure what you do believe? Are you suggesting you feel regional accreditation associations would approve of a degree in football? I just find that a weird position to take, unless there is something I am missing.

[Bourgeois Zee]

1. Apples and oranges....you can't practice law or medicine unless you have a degree from an accredited university....or more accurately you are unable to take the exam to gain licensure to practice as a professional in those fields without the degree. Nothing requires a basketball player to attend college to be a professional in basketball.

If you want to learn the craft best, you go where the best teachers are. That's college (at least right now). The degree is secondary to the learning. Apples to apples.


2. Anytime you place a student in a learning environment that has no interest in learning, there is a potential negative impact on others. Again, stay on subject, from the beginning, I have been talking about student athletes that have no interest in the academic part. You are claiming they want to go, but that simply is not true for many athletes. There was an entire documentary about Ben Simmons and others talking about how it was a waste of their time. Until we have a legitimate path, which it appears we are getting close to, many players viewed college as a requirement to become a professional basketball player. From the beginning, I have never suggested someone that did desire to be a student, even for a short time, should not go to college.

Great, then this entire exercise is remarkably stupid.

Every player who goes through the process of trying to get eligible (and it's definitely a process) wants to be a student.

Some, admittedly, are bad students or do not understand what being a student entails.

But that's true of virtually anyone who goes to college.


I think we are clearly at a point where it is becoming obvious that you are not evaluating my opinion, but creating a straw man argument, and seeking some moral high ground arguing positions no one has communicated.

Be fair please. Stick to the arguments. I believe I have. And when I err, feel free to set me straight.


3. I do not have any links....this is decades old. I was in school when these attempts were made, and the school was forced to settle on a coaching degree.

http://catalog.wvu.edu/undergraduate/collegeofphysicalactivityandsportsciences/ace/

If you are not believing me for some reason, I am not sure what you do believe? Are you suggesting you feel regional accreditation associations would approve of a degree in football? I just find that a weird position to take, unless there is something I am missing.

I don't think colleges and universities have sought majors for "basketball" and "football" because they recognize the impossible headaches of it. What you offer to one, you have to offer to all. Imagine Calipari or Archie Miller trying to hold practices with 150 would-be coaches looking on (and trying to earn a grade). How many of those guys would suggest an out-of-bounds play? How many would slow down practices? Or just watch-- and video? Do you think Urban Meyer would be willing to give up that control? Would any coach?

Better for those coaches to work within the system. Almost all Division I colleges and universities, for example, have a "track" that includes public speaking, economics courses, event planning courses, and a variety of PE courses. For most high level athletes who aspire to be professionals, these are required. (Sam Bowie talked about the speaking courses multiple times. On the E:60 documentary, he said veteran players warned him how hard the public speaking courses were going to be.) Most of these tracks tie this in with Sports Management as a BS; others opt for the BA in Communications. (Most of my clients have either a Sports Management or Communications major, fwiw. Some own the degree.)

[Assembly Hall]

https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2020/04/17/kentucky-basketball-annual-roster-turnover-reaches-new-highs/5088960002/

Regarding turnover...

Good read...TY

[WVRed]

Matt Haarms to announce tomorrow and BYU is expected to be the pick.

First losing to Walter McCarty and now losing a top grad transfer to Mark Pope. Not good for going against former players for Cal.

[Assembly Hall]

Matt Haarms to announce tomorrow and BYU is expected to be the pick.

First losing to Walter McCarty and now losing a top grad transfer to Mark Pope. Not good for going against former players for Cal.

Haarms to BYU makes no sense...for Haarms that is.

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Matt Haarms to announce tomorrow and BYU is expected to be the pick.

First losing to Walter McCarty and now losing a top grad transfer to Mark Pope. Not good for going against former players for Cal.

Haarms to BYU makes no sense...for Haarms that is.

[WVRed]

Haarms to BYU makes no sense...for Haarms that is.

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Haarms to BYU makes no sense...for Haarms that is.

It doesn’t. Unless it’s academic which is entirely possible.

I know BZ will disagree with me on this but I think Cal is way too loyal to his staff just like Tubby was. It’s apples and asparagus to compare the two coaches because Cal doesn’t have Kentucky anywhere near where Tubby left the program. In terms of staff loyalty though especially with Justus and Barbee it’s pretty noticeable.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Wake Forest star center Olivier Sarr transferring to Kentucky. 3rd team All-ACC is a huge get for Cal and for next season's Kentucky team.

There's not much in the cupboard, but my goodness, they have talent coming in.

[Boston Red]

Steve Forbes has a bit of his old boss Gregg Marshall in him, LOL:

"I think the most important thing is, why would you go to Wake for three years, put all that time in to get this prestigious degree, and end up getting your degree at a place like Kentucky?" Forbes said.

[Bourgeois Zee]

If Sarrs is eligible immediately (and frankly, it would be a shock if he weren't), UK should be relatively set across the board:

PG Devin Askew/ Davion Mintz
SG BJ Boston/ Dontae Allen
SF Terrence Clark/ Cam'Ron Fletcher
PF Keion Brooks/ Lance Ware
C Olivier Sarr/ Isaiah Jackson

Two deep across the board, with Jacob Toppin as a practice player/ redshirt learning the ropes.

Nice blend of experience (Mintz and Sarr are seniors, Brooks saw some limited action, Allen practices during a medical redshirt season) and youth. Should have some very good shooters in Boston, Brooks (who showed good release and mechanics), and Allen, with Clark a scorer more than a shooter. Sarr can post up, rebound, and defend. Jackson is underrated. Askew doesn't have to come in and be perfect-- he has a nice complement if need be.

Sarrs' transfer, IMO, makes Kentucky one of the teams most likely to win the NCAA next season.

[WVRed]

Wake Forest star center Olivier Sarr transferring to Kentucky. 3rd team All-ACC is a huge get for Cal and for next season's Kentucky team.

There's not much in the cupboard, but my goodness, they have talent coming in.

They could still add a player or two I think. They’re in on a kid from Evansville.

Sarr is a huge get and UK will likely now be a preseason top 10 team (10-15 before) but I think the same thing that has constantly been an issue since 2015 will be the same issue again, lack of cohesiveness. The entire season will be a roller coaster right up until March.

[Bourgeois Zee]

They could still add a player or two I think. They’re in on a kid from Evansville.

If they get him, this team is the one to beat.

They'll probably lose some games in the regular season they shouldn't.

But by March?

Typically, the teams with the most talent and best coaching stick around a long time and prove to be tough outs. Kentucky would be capable of playing just about any style with any team in America.

[WVRed]

Steve Forbes has a bit of his old boss Gregg Marshall in him, LOL:

"I think the most important thing is, why would you go to Wake for three years, put all that time in to get this prestigious degree, and end up getting your degree at a place like Kentucky?" Forbes said.

Depends on what the player wants.

If you want a school for academics, yeah Wake is probably a better fit.

If you want a better chance at a championship and to get to the NBA, it’s not even close.

I think Forbes knew he wasn’t going to be keeping him.

[Boston Red]

Wake Forest is a fine school, but it's not one for me that really moves the needle when I look at a resume. There aren't very many schools that do that, and Wake really isn't one of them. I just think it's funny that Forbes would say that out loud.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Wake Forest is a fine school, but it's not one for me that really moves the needle when I look at a resume. There aren't very many schools that do that, and Wake really isn't one of them. I just think it's funny that Forbes would say that out loud.

Poking the bear, perhaps.

Not a bad way to announce your presence, honestly.

Clever to do so with a fanbase as... delicate as Kentucky's. Ensures maximum visibility and puts Wake in the mind of perspective quality students (and their parents). (If he's fighting NC State, Virginia Tech, and others in that third or fourth echelon of Division I basketball, it's a great way to separate his squad from others.) Too, it's not like he'll ever have to put words to actions-- Wake Forest and Kentucky don't play each other.

[WVRed]

Wake Forest is a fine school, but it's not one for me that really moves the needle when I look at a resume. There aren't very many schools that do that, and Wake really isn't one of them. I just think it's funny that Forbes would say that out loud.

When you compare it with the SEC though, Wake is probably like Vanderbilt. The only draw is the degree.

[WVRed]

If they get him, this team is the one to beat.

They'll probably lose some games in the regular season they shouldn't.

But by March?

Typically, the teams with the most talent and best coaching stick around a long time and prove to be tough outs. Kentucky would be capable of playing just about any style with any team in America.

A player who came off the bench in the win over Kentucky is now being compared to Lamar Odom.

I’d feel better about this team had they brought more back than Keion Brooks. Add to the team instead of constantly starting over.

[Bourgeois Zee]

A player who came off the bench in the win over Kentucky is now being compared to Lamar Odom.

Sure, it's hyperbole.

But 15/7/3 is a nice line no matter who you're playing. As is 45% from deep. At 6'9".

He solves some issues up front as a relatively proven shooter and defender. He's another body, but a body with talent enough to be very, very good at the collegiate level.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Add to the team instead of constantly starting over.

I really don't get your beef. Calipari is as successful as any coach in the history of UK. (And man, is that saying something.)

He has a decade-long history of starting over, finding ways to win during the regular season, and being very difficult to deal with in the NCAA Tournament.

[WVRed]

I really don't get your beef. Calipari is as successful as any coach in the history of UK. (And man, is that saying something.)

He has a decade-long history of starting over, finding ways to win during the regular season, and being very difficult to deal with in the NCAA Tournament.

I’m not saying he isn’t.

Cals first five years (minus the 2012-2013 season) was some of the best basketball of my lifetime. Playing in two championships and winning one, two more final four appearances and an elite eight in his first season. He more than put Kentucky back on the map during that time.

Ever since the end of the 2014-2015 season though it has been different. The turnover on the teams has gotten worse and Cals teams have underachieved in the tournament (losing to Auburn last year and K-State the year before). It’s one thing to constantly reload but having a couple holdovers brings leadership which the Cal teams during this time have desperately lacked. You can’t add grad transfers to the list because they are learning the system same as the freshmen.

Cal is also not getting the top overall recruits as in the past whether it’s due to the FBI probe and players being offered money by other schools or players figuring out they don’t need to go to a fishbowl like Kentucky to be selected high in the draft (development is a different story as Cal is the best at that).

This upcoming season will be the same. Preseason top 5 team, will struggle throughout the season and will be in the 3-5 seed range and maybe a 2 if things break right. Depending on the Coronavirus, who knows if we even have another tournament to find out next season.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I’m not saying he isn’t.

Cals first five years (minus the 2012-2013 season) was some of the best basketball of my lifetime. Playing in two championships and winning one, two more final four appearances and an elite eight in his first season. He more than put Kentucky back on the map during that time.

Ever since the end of the 2014-2015 season though it has been different. The turnover on the teams has gotten worse and Cals teams have underachieved in the tournament (losing to Auburn last year and K-State the year before). It’s one thing to constantly reload but having a couple holdovers brings leadership which the Cal teams during this time have desperately lacked. You can’t add grad transfers to the list because they are learning the system same as the freshmen.

The turnover last year was actually quite low, and they still struggled. Still, that struggle is relative. They went to the Elite 8 twice and the Sweet 16 once in the past five years. This year, they had a real chance to win it all. They won the SEC crown this year. They won it three times in the last five years. I don't know of too many squads in the country that wouldn't trade.


Cal is also not getting the top overall recruits as in the past whether it’s due to the FBI probe and players being offered money by other schools or players figuring out they don’t need to go to a fishbowl like Kentucky to be selected high in the draft (development is a different story as Cal is the best at that).

Best recruiting ranking in the nation this year, with two wings inside the top 10.

Best or second-best recruiting ranking every year since Calipari has been at Kentucky. Except one.

He was third that year.


This upcoming season will be the same. Preseason top 5 team, will struggle throughout the season and will be in the 3-5 seed range and maybe a 2 if things break right. Depending on the Coronavirus, who knows if we even have another tournament to find out next season.

I don't think you can say any of this with any kind of confidence.

[WVRed]

The turnover last year was actually quite low, and they still struggled. Still, that struggle is relative. They went to the Elite 8 twice and the Sweet 16 once in the past five years. This year, they had a real chance to win it all. They won the SEC crown this year. They won it three times in the last five years. I don't know of too many squads in the country that wouldn't trade.



Best recruiting ranking in the nation this year, with two wings inside the top 10.

Best or second-best recruiting ranking every year since Calipari has been at Kentucky. Except one.

He was third that year.



I don't think you can say any of this with any kind of confidence.

Tubby won a lot of SEC titles (regular season and tournament). I’d trade those for another championship or two in the Cal era.

Recruiting is tricky. The numbers are there because of the volume of the players Cal is bringing in so in a way they are overinflated. Look at the following:

2016: DeAron Fox (6)
2017: Hami Diallo (10)
2018: EJ Montgomery (9)
2019: Tyrese Maxey (10)
2020: BJ Boston (4)

Those are the highest rated recruits from each class. BJ Boston is the highest but there hasn’t been a John Wall, Anthony Davis, or KAT in the last five years. Cal has missed on a lot of top recruits whether it’s Ben Simmons, Zion Williamson, Cade Cunningham, James Wiseman, Anthony Edwards, RJ Barrett, etc.

I don’t fault Cal for it given the baggage of some of the players listed but I do think some of it is the staff recruiting the players. Like Tubby, Cal has an intense loyalty to certain people on his staff, namely Justus and Barbee.

I can’t say the Coronavirus part with any confidence but given how the past five years have gone it’s pretty much the trend.

[Bourgeois Zee]

I can't imagine two coaches more different than Tubby Smith and John Calipari in terms of result and philosophy.

Fwiw, Justus was named among the best assistant coaches in the nation (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2020/5/3/21245188/kentucky-wildcats-basketball-kenny-payne-joel-justus-uk-recruiting).

I also can't imagine complaining about Kentucky's recruiting under Cal. Or its success.

But hey, to each their own, I guess.

[WVRed]

The number one player in the nation who almost picked Kentucky is likely going to be back on the market and UK will likely be a front runner if it happens?

Rivals: Cade Cunningham was “as close as you could get to committing” on Kentucky visit

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/rivals-cade-cunningham-was-as-close-as-you-could-get-to-committing-on-kentucky-visit/

Would Kentucky have room for him and Olivier Sarr? Or will Sarr be declared ineligible? (Which would show incredible bias given they ruled Juzang eligible at UCLA)

Anywho, this could be a Final Four caliber team:

PG-Cunningham/Askew/Mintz
SG-Boston/Allen
SF-Clarke/Fletcher/Toppin
PF-Brooks/Ware
C-Sarr/Jackson

Depth at every position.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Anywho, this could be a Final Four caliber team:

PG-Cunningham/Askew/Mintz
SG-Boston/Allen
SF-Clarke/Fletcher/Toppin
PF-Brooks/Ware
C-Sarr/Jackson

Depth at every position.

That would be the top team in the country.

[UKWhoDey]

Do we have a seperate thread for Kentucky football or is this just a UK catch all?

[WVRed]

Do we have a seperate thread for Kentucky football or is this just a UK catch all?

Started one

In the Politics and Religious Forum by mistake.

Carry on with the new one.

[Assembly Hall]

That would be the top team in the country.

LOL

[Bourgeois Zee]

Kenny Payne leaves Kentucky for the New York Knicks.

It'll be interesting to see who he picks to replace one of the best Assistant Coaches in basketball. It's relatively late in the season to grab someone.

[Bourgeois Zee]

It'll be interesting to see who he picks to replace one of the best Assistant Coaches in basketball. It's relatively late in the season to grab someone.

Well, that didn't take long: Bruiser Flint leaves IU for spot on Kentucky bench.

[WVRed]

Honestly not surprised with either. Although Payne was recruiting Bryce Hopkins (who decomitted from Louisville right before Payne left), that it leaked that Bruiser Flint was the replacement said Payne was probably gone.

Happy for Kenny Payne and I’ll even go as far to say he may end up with the interim tag once Thibs wears out his welcome in NY or he could use the opportunity for a head NBA job somewhere else. With the UK footprint in the NBA, he would have no trouble finding players to come play for him.

Not crazy about Bruiser Flint but given the timing I can’t complain too much. Cal puts too much emphasis on loyalty vs bringing in new blood. All that’s needed is Justus to get a head coaching job and I’m sure Coach O or Pastner (once he gets fired at Ga Tech) would be the pick.

I think Kentucky is going to miss Payne from a developmental standpoint, especially with bigs. They no longer have the “big man whisperer” which played a significant role in Davis, Towns, WCS, Adebayo, and Richards development.

[RedlegsFanatic]

Interesting game on KSR. You've got $15 and need a starting five from the following list:

$5 Guys
John Wall
Jamal Murray
Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Karl-Anthony Towns
Anthony Davis

$4 Guys
Brandon Knight
Malik Monk
Devin Booker
Julius Randle
DeMarcus Cousins

$3 Guys
D'Aaron Fox
Doron Lamb
D. Miller
Terrence Jones
Willie Cauley-Stein

$2 Guys
Tyler Ulis
Aaron Harrison
Tyler Herro
PJ Washington
Bam Adebayo

$1 Guys
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander
I. Quickley
Kevin Knox
P. Patterson
Nick Richards

My picks:
PG SGA
SG Monk
SF Booker
PF Patterson
C AD
They'll be loose with the ball, but SGA and AD are great college-level defenders, and Patterson's not too far behind. Better, I might have an elite shooting team. And the length would be ridiculous.

Who you got?

Monk was so good his 1 year, not being at $5 is just ridiculous. Especially if Gilly the kid and Murray are.

PG - SGA
SG - Monk
SF - Knox
PF - Cousins
C - AD


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[WVRed]

Big loss for Cal on the recruiting trail today with Paolo Banchero who was long considered a UK lean committing to Duke.

Starting to feel the loss of Kenny Payne?

[WVRed]

It’s starting to look like the Kentucky-Louisville game this season as well as possibly the series could be in jeopardy:

Calipari: Kentucky has backup plan if Louisville doesn’t want to play

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/calipari-kentucky-has-backup-plan-if-louisville-doesnt-want-to-play/

[Assembly Hall]

It’s starting to look like the Kentucky-Louisville game this season as well as possibly the series could be in jeopardy:

Calipari: Kentucky has backup plan if Louisville doesn’t want to play

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/calipari-kentucky-has-backup-plan-if-louisville-doesnt-want-to-play/

I hope the backup plan is Butler.

[WVRed]

I hope the backup plan is Butler.

Don’t know but I don’t understand Chris Mack’s perspective.

There’s a very real possibility that fans will be limited or won’t be allowed in Rupp next year either. Not playing the game is going to kill what little in state revenue plus tv revenue is left.

[Assembly Hall]

Don’t know but I don’t understand Chris Mack’s perspective.

There’s a very real possibility that fans will be limited or won’t be allowed in Rupp next year either. Not playing the game is going to kill what little in state revenue plus tv revenue is left.

Yeah, something doesn't make sense there.

[Boston Red]

You have to remember, Chris Mack is kind of a d-bag.

[WVRed]

You have to remember, Chris Mack is kind of a d-bag.

Yeah, after this I’m pretty sure of it now:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/30004707/chris-mack-jabs-john-calipari-kentucky-wildcats-louisville-cardinals-rivalry-escalates

[Bourgeois Zee]

You have to remember, Chris Mack is kind of a d-bag.

But what's his point?

That they don't get to play in front of fans, so... they should be able to play in front of fans next year?

That sounds both childish and frightened, not to mention fairly tone deaf.

(Were I that fan, I'd insert an old, old joke from the Eddie Sutton days, IIRC, about "little brothers" being "little brothers" forever.)

[Assembly Hall]

What is the "word" out of Lexington concerning Bryce Hopkins?

[Bourgeois Zee]

Olivier Sarr and Jacob Toppin were announced as eligible by the NCAA and SEC today.

Good news for UK and for both players.

Sarr is almost assuredly the starting center on a team that has a ton of talent but little actual game experience together.

Okay, no game experience together. Seriously. No two players have officially played together ever.

[WVRed]

Olivier Sarr and Jacob Toppin were announced as eligible by the NCAA and SEC today.

Good news for UK and for both players.

Sarr is almost assuredly the starting center on a team that has a ton of talent but little actual game experience together.

Okay, no game experience together. Seriously. No two players have officially played together ever.

And Keion Brooks has been limited in practice.

But yeah, today was yuuugggeee. Kentucky is going to win and win bigly.

[Bourgeois Zee]

PG Askew/ Mintz
2G Boston/ Allen
SF Clarke/ Fletcher
PF Brooks/ Ware/ Toppin
C Sarr/ Jackson

That's probably not the actual way they'll line up. (Calipari tends to fall in love with huge lineups, so I expect to see Brooks play a lot of SF, for example.) But that's the way I'd do it. He'll have to whittle it down by NCAA time, of course, but there's obviously a lot of talent there. Perhaps they'll have enough that some guys stick around for Year Two. (Toppin, Ware, Fletcher, Allen, and perhaps Askew would be really nice.)

[WVRed]

PG Askew/ Mintz
2G Boston/ Allen
SF Clarke/ Fletcher
PF Brooks/ Ware/ Toppin
C Sarr/ Jackson

That's probably not the actual way they'll line up. (Calipari tends to fall in love with huge lineups, so I expect to see Brooks play a lot of SF, for example.) But that's the way I'd do it. He'll have to whittle it down by NCAA time, of course, but there's obviously a lot of talent there. Perhaps they'll have enough that some guys stick around for Year Two. (Toppin, Ware, Fletcher, Allen, and perhaps Askew would be really nice.)

As of right now Nolan Hickman is the only recruit committee for next year although I expect Skyy Clark to join the fold tomorrow.

[Bourgeois Zee]

As of right now Nolan Hickman is the only recruit committee for next year although I expect Skyy Clark to join the fold tomorrow.

They may not need all that much, honestly.

Hickman and Clark may be all that's needed in the backcourt/ on the wings.

They'll probably need at least one guy underneath, though that depends on how advanced Jackson, Ware, Toppin, and Fletcher become.

[WVRed]

They may not need all that much, honestly.

Hickman and Clark may be all that's needed in the backcourt/ on the wings.

They'll probably need at least one guy underneath, though that depends on how advanced Jackson, Ware, Toppin, and Fletcher become.

Bryce Hopkins (former Louisville commit) expected to join the Cats tomorrow.

Any concern that for the last few recruiting classes Kentucky hasn’t landed the bonafide top 3 recruit who ends up being no 1 overall in the draft? I don’t know if it’s because Cal has changed his approach (although Herro and SGA defied the odds) or if those players are going to Duke, going to another school to stay out of the spotlight, or taking funny money.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Any concern that for the last few recruiting classes Kentucky hasn’t landed the bonafide top 3 recruit who ends up being no 1 overall in the draft? I don’t know if it’s because Cal has changed his approach (although Herro and SGA defied the odds) or if those players are going to Duke, going to another school to stay out of the spotlight, or taking funny money.

There are differing schools of thought on this, WV:

There's the others-are-doing-it-now argument. Talent tends to win, all things considered. Having the top prospects would be ideal. But the game has moved on. Once Calipari proved you could win with freshmen largely driving the boat, Duke signed on. That's two in the sandbox. Then Kansas and UNC and Arizona and UCLA and now, pretty much everyone realizes that having more talent (and perhaps less time together) is one way to win and win big. Too, those top prospects are also now moving onto professional leagues to get paid now-- either here in this country or elsewhere.As a result, UK has fewer chances at the top guy who has his eyes set firmly on the brass ring as early as he can get it. Because of that, Calipari has been forced to actually coach again. (This is likely the most negative-- and most popular among opposing fanbases-- viewpoint.)

There's the argument that coaching lesser players is more personally rewarding and gratifying argument too. Instead of choosing the very best talent and figuring out the egos inherent, Cal's taking top talent that's willing to "sacrifice." This isn't for everybody, he says. That's code (and good PR) for the realization that, oft-times, "lesser" five stars or high four stars with drive can be better players for the program and provide a narrative that the coach is responsible for his development. I suspect, for example, Calipari very much enjoyed coaching up Willie Cauley-Stein, Tyler Ulis, and Devin Booker in UK's near-undefeated season a few years ago and getting the accolades that came with it. All were lesser heralded recruits who "developed" under Cal's tutelage. SGA and Herro, Darius Miller and Eric Bledsoe-- he has a history of pushing a specific type of kid and making him better. (That kid tends to have a bit of "dog" in him-- cocksure in his own talents, a perpetual chip in his shoulder, and a hatred for losing-- similar to Calipari himself, I think.) Cal gets accolades for coaching them up, the kids get buzz for working hard. Works out for both sides, and he doesn't have to deal with too many ridiculous egos.

At the same time, he's not stupid. Calipari knows that his best teams have veterans who can counsel the young guys. The good news there is that he's also getting some recognition for making players better in multiple seasons. Kids can then save face, accept that second season as a learning experience, and maybe grab that near-lottery selections. PJ Washington's helped that narrative. Quickley winning SEC POY this last season will help, as might Nick Richards (whom I like to have a long pro career as a rim-running center who's serviceable for a decade). He can get in a kid's ear early about two year development and stash him on the bench or in a lesser role, but it takes a special kid who's willing to do that. (Hence, the messaging.)

The third argument focuses on just how hard recruiting is. As he ages, Calipari likely doesn't want to spend as much time on the road anymore. Recruiting fewer monster stars (with the ensuing monster lists and monster egos and monster demands) is one way he can spend less time chasing and more time coaching. At this point, instead of going all stars, rolling the balls out and letting them play, then doing it again next year, he's choosing to focus on a couple star players and some lesser guys who might stay longer to develop. I suspect he's fine with three scorers, a premier defender/ rebounder, and a solid veteran/ role player in his starting lineup. His "six guys" mantra is interesting-- if opposing teams have to worry about six guys on your team who can score 25+, you're going to be a hard team to prepare for. In short, he claims (again, messaging) that a stars-and-scrubs approach with a veteran team can win championships. (And he's not wrong-- the evidence is pretty strong that it can.)

If given his choice, I suspect Calipari would prefer to sign five top prospects, all of whom have chips on their shoulders, hate to lose, and are willing to stay two or three years before going to the NBA and becoming superstars. On top of that, he could also sign five four stars (or lower) who develop into stars both at UK and in the pros. A mix of SGA, Tyler Herro, AD, Boogie Cousins, and Bam Adebayo. Since that's not happening, he tries to sign the best talent possible that's also interested in his style (and brand) that won't be too ridiculous in their expectations and actions.

(On a selfish note, if Calipari actually made the choice to stop recruiting all five stars, I'd love to know the player who convinced Calipari not to go that route anymore. Or to limit it. I'm guessing getting burned by one too many "yeah, I'm committing to you, coach" phone calls before the kid has a change of heart. I'm also guessing Andrew Wiggins or Zion Williamson, both players Kentucky were seemingly locked in on before having to scramble at the last minute.)

Perhaps this is a side effect of other squads entering the freshmen to the NBA pipeline. Perhaps it's just messaging. Perhaps it's a bit of age creeping into that impossible work ethic. Perhaps it's ego too. I suspect it's a bit of column A and a bit from column B.

[WVRed]

Damion Collins announcing on Saturday and the expected choice is UK. He’s been getting Anthony Davis comparisons and is the first recruit Jai Lucas has had an impact in landing if he commits.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Damion Collins announcing on Saturday and the expected choice is UK. He’s been getting Anthony Davis comparisons and is the first recruit Jai Lucas has had an impact in landing if he commits.

Lots of good news lately in terms of recruiting.

The number of Kentucky alums dominating in the NBA certainly had to help the narrative in that regard.

[Bourgeois Zee]

WBB Coach Mitchell retires suddenly. Had brain surgery over the pandemic break. Might well be the reason.

2020 has had a decade of bad news all wrapped up in one crappy year.

[goreds2]

UK plays tonight 6pm est. on SEC Network.

[Bourgeois Zee]

UK plays tonight 6pm est. on SEC Network.

Without looking, I'm almost positive a Florida/ Georgia women's soccer match that is being broadcast before the game will go to quadruple overtime because *reasons*.

[cumberlandreds]

UK plays tonight 6pm est. on SEC Network.

Their Friday game has been postponed with Detroit Mercy because of COVID within Detroit's team. Cal said they would try to make it up later on.

[Bourgeois Zee]

Kentucky destroys Morehead in their first contest of the season. There's a long way to go, but a few observations:

Individual
1. Isaiah Jackson looked awesome for about three minutes, then seemed to struggle.

2. Olivier Sarr wasn't looked for at all by Kentucky guards in the first half. That changed in the second half. He showed a really nice jumper out to 18 feet.

3. Terrence Clarke is a 6'7" guard who has unreal athletic potential. SEC teams will go under picks and dare him to beat them from distance. He may struggle when faced with that.

4. BJ Boston struggled with his shot early, then got it going by going to the hoop.

5. Davion Mintz is Kentucky's best shooter and might be their best guard right now. Really like him.

6. Devin Askew had four turnovers, but looked good otherwise.

7. Dontae Allen, Kentucky native, can shoot. He's aggressive looking to shoot. Cal didn't play him much, though.

8. Cam'Ron Fletcher looked good as a scrapper and as a corner shooter. He played good D as well. One to watch.

9. Lance Ware and Jacob Toppin show promise, but are a year away. Their development might be fun to watch over the course of the season.

Overall
- The Cats shot well-- 57%-- and shot well from three. But, man, did they struggle at the free throw line.
- Lots of good looks that will eventually drop.
- More importantly, at least three guys who can go get a score.
- They did all this with their best player out-- Keion Brooks did not play and won't for a week or so.

[adkindo]

be careful, think Richmond is projected to have a solid squad this year. They scored 1 more point against Morehead than UK....but gave up 19 more points to Morehead.

[WVRed]

Under five minutes to go and Richmond is up by double digits.

UK needs someone other than Clarke, Sarr, or Boston to step up.

[WVRed]

21 turnovers with a minute 30 to go.

Not sure if I can go through a season like this.

[RedTeamGo!]

Under five minutes to go and Richmond is up by double digits.

UK needs someone other than Clarke, Sarr, or Boston to step up.

Richmond is a solid team from a very good and underrated conference.

People always sleep on the A-10 and get smacked.

[WVRed]

Richmond is a solid team from a very good and underrated conference.

People always sleep on the A-10 and get smacked.

St Louis beat LSU last night.

Kentucky has a brutal schedule for a team with only one returning contributor last year. Next up Kansas on Tuesday night.

[RedTeamGo!]

St Louis beat LSU last night.

Kentucky has a brutal schedule for a team with only one returning contributor last year. Next up Kansas on Tuesday night.

Kentucky not returning starters is a feature, not a bug. Lol come on.

[adkindo]

Under five minutes to go and Richmond is up by double digits.

UK needs someone other than Clarke, Sarr, or Boston to step up.

You did not call Cal and warn him after my post? Huggins will be on the phone with Cal soon because Richmond comes to Morgantown next month. I have heard a few people talking about the Spiders before this season....some think they may be one of the better mid-majors. They have looked like it in the 2nd half against UK in Rupp Arena. The morning call in shows from within the 100 miles around Lexington should be interesting tomorrow.

[WVRed]

Kentucky not returning starters is a feature, not a bug. Lol come on.

Not when it’s practically the entire team.

Two players returned from this team. One was injured last year (Allen), one is injured this year (Brooks)

All new faces either out of high school or transfer. Only team in Cals tenure that had this much turnover was the 2012-2013 team that missed the tournament after Nerlens Noel got hurt.

[WVRed]

You did not call Cal and warn him after my post? Huggins will be on the phone with Cal soon because Richmond comes to Morgantown next month. I have heard a few people talking about the Spiders before this season....some think they may be one of the better mid-majors. They have looked like it in the 2nd half against UK in Rupp Arena. The morning call in shows from within the 100 miles around Lexington should be interesting tomorrow.

Kentucky Sports Radio

[RedTeamGo!]

Not when it’s practically the entire team.

Two players returned from this team. One was injured last year (Allen), one is injured this year (Brooks)

All new faces either out of high school or transfer. Only team in Cals tenure that had this much turnover was the 2012-2013 team that missed the tournament after Nerlens Noel got hurt.

That’s what you signed up for with Cal. I’m not even saying it’s bad, it’s just a silly thing to complain about as a Kentucky fan.

It’s the equivalent of Clemson football fans saying “we get all these 5 star recruits and elite athletes. We just don’t have grinders.”

[WVRed]

That’s what you signed up for with Cal. I’m not even saying it’s bad, it’s just a silly thing to complain about as a Kentucky fan.

It’s the equivalent of Clemson football fans saying “we get all these 5 star recruits and elite athletes. We just don’t have grinders.”

I would agree on the first five years Cal was here up to the Wisconsin game. The last five though have been ridiculous in terms of players leaving.

Most of the teams under Cal have players who do come back for a second and sometimes third season. Here’s a list of players and that doesn’t include Kahlil Whitney (who quit midseason) and Johnny Juzang.

https://www.aseaofblue.com/2020/1/24/21080431/uk-wildcats-roster-2020-john-calipari-kentucky-news-kahlil-whitney-transfer

I don’t even chalk that up to Cal as much as it is the players that are recruited. It’s been a subject of debate between BZ and I in this very thread.

[cumberlandreds]

Cal is a master at pulling together a new team every year. But this one may as challenging as any in his tenure at UK. With only one player back from last season its going to take a while for them to come around. Chances are they will come around and be a good team by March but not without a lot of pain.

[WVRed]

1-3 and a 17 point loss to 0-2 Georgia Tech.

Nowhere to go but up I guess. Can’t get much worse.

[adkindo]

1-3 and a 17 point loss to 0-2 Georgia Tech.

Nowhere to go but up I guess. Can’t get much worse.

I did not expect this.....

[WVRed]

I did not expect this.....

I did.

Fewer practices because of Covid, fewer games overall.

All new players, top returning player out with injury, zero chemistry whatsoever.

Notre Dame up next, then Detroit Mercy, UCLA, and Louisville. Detroit “should” be a win although they played Sparty close.

[WVRed]

The Number Zero: All the ways you can use it after that UK-Georgia Tech game

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/the-number-zero-all-the-ways-you-can-use-it-after-that-uk-georgia-tech-game/

[adkindo]

I did.

Fewer practices because of Covid, fewer games overall.

All new players, top returning player out with injury, zero chemistry whatsoever.

Notre Dame up next, then Detroit Mercy, UCLA, and Louisville. Detroit “should” be a win although they played Sparty close.

Detroit was right there with Notre Dame tonight also....was only down 1 point with about 5 minutes to go

[WVRed]

Never thought I’d agree with BTI yet here we are:

BTI’s Rants and Ramblings: Time For a Reality Check

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/btis-rants-and-ramblings-time-for-a-reality-check/

[cumberlandreds]

This team looks really bad. I know Cal has turned around teams before but this one is the ultimate challenge with all of the adversity(COVID to name one) and youthfulness this team has.

[Assembly Hall]

Detroit was right there with Notre Dame tonight also....was only down 1 point with about 5 minutes to go

Mike Davis' boy should be playing at IU! LOL

[WVRed]

To quote Homer Simpson, this is the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Edit: Much better in the second half. Regardless of a win this will be a confidence booster.

[Assembly Hall]

To quote Homer Simpson, this is the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Edit: Much better in the second half. Regardless of a win this will be a confidence booster.

Worst UK team I have ever seen...thus far.

[Boston Red]

Notre Dame is also quite bad.

[WVRed]

Worst UK team I have ever seen...thus far.

Worse than 88-89?

[Assembly Hall]

Worse than 88-89?

Well, I might have spoken too soon. I forgot about that year.

[cumberlandreds]

To quote Homer Simpson, this is the suckiest bunch of sucks that ever sucked.

Edit: Much better in the second half. Regardless of a win this will be a confidence booster.

That 1st half was horrific. I had some things to do outside and it was nice day so I missed most of the 2nd half. I did see the last couple of minutes so I am assuming they decided to play a little defense and got themselves back into the game. Actually had a shot to win it. Maybe that will be a turning point and they can have decent season now. We shall see.....

[cumberlandreds]

Worse than 88-89?

I still say nothing could be worse than that season, even though the two Billy Gillespie years were close. I'm afraid this season has a chance to make into my bottom ten seasons though.

[Assembly Hall]

I know about Tennessee and now Mizzou, how does the rest of the SEC stack up?

[WVRed]

CBS Sports Classic changed to Kentucky now playing North Carolina instead of UCLA this weekend.

[WVRed]

1-5 for the first time since 1927.

It’s fine to say “we are young”, “it’s a process” and “they will get better”

But 1-5 just isn’t acceptable at Kentucky.

What a difference ten years can make:

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20201220/8e2d9c32343ab7c8c340c9c52ce31291.jpg

[Assembly Hall]

1-5 for the first time since 1927.

Where they gonna finish in the SEC?

[WVRed]

Where they gonna finish in the SEC?

At this point I see this being a dumpster fire. It would be so 2020 though for this team to beat Louisville though.

There’s obvious problems. Cam’Ron Fletcher crying on the bench over lack of playing time, Terrence Clarke walking off the court before the game ended, and Cal sending Keion Brooks out to answer questions about the game (he didn’t play).

Only one team in NCAA history has rebounded from a 1-5 start to make the NCAA tournament and that was 99 Texas.

[Boston Red]

Louisville just lost by 40 to Wisconsin, so beating Louisville shouldn't be too exciting/surprising.

[Assembly Hall]

At this point I see this being a dumpster fire. It would be so 2020 though for this team to beat Louisville though.

There’s obvious problems. Cam’Ron Fletcher crying on the bench over lack of playing time, Terrence Clarke walking off the court before the game ended, and Cal sending Keion Brooks out to answer questions about the game (he didn’t play).

Only one team in NCAA history has rebounded from a 1-5 start to make the NCAA tournament and that was 99 Texas.

TY.

Cal to the NBA?

[WVRed]

TY.

Cal to the NBA?

Im thinking retirement.

Maybe not this year but it’s coming sooner rather than later. Cals in his 10th year and by comparison Joe B made it 13 and Tubby lasted 10.

The job and the pressure wears on people. Cal is the perfect fit from the personality standpoint for the BBN just like Pitino was but fans are getting tired of the constant turnover and the NBA factory.

There’s a very real possibility this years team could miss the tournament and place three players in the lottery. That doesn’t resonate well with UK fans.

[Assembly Hall]

There’s a very real possibility this years team could miss the tournament and place three players in the lottery. That doesn’t resonate well with UK fans.

That is something right there.

[adkindo]

We have reached the point where I am feeling bad for the UK players....I mean they have to feel a massive amount of pressure.

[adkindo]

That is something right there.

well, Cal has always said his priority is getting his kids paid. I doubt that most UK fans agree with his order of priorities.

[WVRed]

well, Cal has always said his priority is getting his kids paid. I doubt that most UK fans agree with his order of priorities.

They don’t care about the NBA as long as he wins. This year I think Cal bit off more than he could chew with the turnover but overall this has manifested since the Wisconsin loss five years ago.

[Assembly Hall]

They don’t care about the NBA as long as he wins. This year I think Cal bit off more than he could chew with the turnover but overall this has manifested since the Wisconsin loss five years ago.

Time to break out the "1-39" shirts? LOL..sorry, I couldn't help myself.

[cumberlandreds]

Cal has asked CamRon Fletcher step away from the team. Cal has some big problems from within that may not be resolved at this point. Also, at this point this team is running out of chances for good wins even if they do turn it around. Unless a miracle happens this team won't be in the NCAA's and probably not even a winning record. Just too young. Something like this was bound to happen if Cal stayed at UK long enough. When you are turning over a new team nearly every year you never know when you get a group of bad apples or over evaluated players who just aren't that good.

[Assembly Hall]

And the rafters at Rupp are on fire.

My advice to Cal...stick with this team. Let's see what he can do with a bunch of "under achievers." 2 years from now this could be his best team ever. Of course BZ had them tabbed for the FF before they ever played a game.

[adkindo]

Cal has asked CamRon Fletcher step away from the team. Cal has some big problems from within that may not be resolved at this point. Also, at this point this team is running out of chances for good wins even if they do turn it around. Unless a miracle happens this team won't be in the NCAA's and probably not even a winning record. Just too young. Something like this was bound to happen if Cal stayed at UK long enough. When you are turning over a new team nearly every year you never know when you get a group of bad apples or over evaluated players who just aren't that good.

If I am not mistaken, under the rule for this year, he could actually transfer and play at a new school in January.

[WVRed]

And the rafters at Rupp are on fire.

My advice to Cal...stick with this team. Let's see what he can do with a bunch of "under achievers." 2 years from now this could be his best team ever. Of course BZ had them tabbed for the FF before they ever played a game.

That’s assuming they stay through the adversity. Instead of grinding it out they look to move elsewhere. I fault the NCAA for that more than I fault Cal.

What I do fault Cal for is he will let certain players make more mistakes and not yank them out of a game but others have a much shorter leash. That’s essentially why Jemarl Baker is at Arizona right now.

Don’t get me wrong, there are good building block pieces to this team. Cam’Ron Fletcher and Lance Ware are/were two of those who could provide a solid supporting cast and provide upperclassmen leadership as early as next year. Problem is I don’t know if any player currently on this team will be here two years from now.

[WVRed]

Speaking of BZ, haven’t seen him post since the Morehead game.

[Assembly Hall]

That’s assuming they stay through the adversity. Instead of grinding it out they look to move elsewhere. I fault the NCAA for that more than I fault Cal.

What I do fault Cal for is he will let certain players make more mistakes and not yank them out of a game but others have a much shorter leash. That’s essentially why Jemarl Baker is at Arizona right now.

Don’t get me wrong, there are good building block pieces to this team. Cam’Ron Fletcher and Lance Ware are/were two of those who could provide a solid supporting cast and provide upperclassmen leadership as early as next year. Problem is I don’t know if any player currently on this team will be here two years from now.

TY and fair enough.

[Assembly Hall]

Speaking of BZ, haven’t seen him post since the Morehead game.

I would assume he has found his home on the "politics" forum. Trying to get Mitch(Big Mac) to put a federal injunction in place to save the "cay-uts" season.

[WVRed]

We have reached the point where I am feeling bad for the UK players....I mean they have to feel a massive amount of pressure.

I don’t. It’s Kentucky. You know what you signed up for. Same with Duke, UNC, Kansas, or any other blue blood.

This is where in the past the teams would use this as a learning experience and be better for it later rather than sooner. With players being able to transfer out at Will and I think that’s going to happen with Fletcher it’s the same cycle every year.

[adkindo]

I forgot to mention, but did you see Quade Green almost got that 30 point game (for Washington) earlier this month that Cal promised would happen.

[WVRed]

Looks like I need to subscribe to the Athletic:


The Athletic: Calipari in “power struggle” with UK players, may welcome departures

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/the-athletic-calipari-in-power-struggle-with-uk-players-may-welcome-departures/

It’s kinda like the saying nobody wins in a strike. Cal isn’t going to win, the players aren’t going to win, and ultimately the fans are the ones who suffer.

[Assembly Hall]

Looks like I need to subscribe to the Athletic:


The Athletic: Calipari in “power struggle” with UK players, may welcome departures

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/the-athletic-calipari-in-power-struggle-with-uk-players-may-welcome-departures/

It’s kinda like the saying nobody wins in a strike. Cal isn’t going to win, the players aren’t going to win, and ultimately the fans are the ones who suffer.

Time for the snake oil salesman to step down. Time to get back to 1978 UK basketball.

[WVRed]

Time for the snake oil salesman to step down. Time to get back to 1978 UK basketball.

He won’t. He isn’t getting fired either. Too much money involved for one train wreck season.

I follow WVU basketball as well and Huggins has dealt with similar issues in the past and those players end up leaving during spring cleaning. Problem is spring cleaning happens every year at Kentucky anyways. [emoji846]

[WVRed]

Might as well call it 1-6:

Of course these are the officials for the UK-UL game…

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/of-course-these-are-the-officials-for-the-uk-ul-game/

(TV Ted and Doug Showsoff)

[goreds2]

First time since 1911 UK is 1-6.

[WVRed]

Not surprised about the outcome.

When the top option on this team is a bench player from Creighton it’s going to be a long season.

Cal is getting grilled by fans for blaming everything on the schedule he made out. Not factoring in Louisville, Kansas, and UNC because they are locked/round robin games all he’s responsible for is Richmond, Georgia Tech, and Notre Dame. The last thing the winningest program in college basketball should be complaining about is who they schedule.

One thing is sad about this team, they didn’t get to experience Big Blue Madness, they will never experience a packed Rupp Arena with 20,000+ cheering them on. They will never experience the Big Blue Nation packing the SEC Tournament. What they do get to experience is online criticism from fans in the worst way possible.

[Assembly Hall]

What is the problem with Brooks? Injury wise.

[WVRed]

What is the problem with Brooks? Injury wise.

Calf injury.

[Assembly Hall]

Calf injury.

I thought it was head worms...

[WVRed]

Interesting article:


Explaining the Strained Relationship Between Coach Cal and the Fans

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/explaining-the-strained-relationship-between-coach-cal-and-the-fans/

[Assembly Hall]

Interesting article:


Explaining the Strained Relationship Between Coach Cal and the Fans

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/explaining-the-strained-relationship-between-coach-cal-and-the-fans/

Has anybody done a "wellness check" on BZ yet?

[cumberlandreds]

Cal needs to get thrown out of games more often. :)

Where have you been Dontay Allen? UK found a three point shooter tonight.

[WVRed]

Akindo will like this one:

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-recruiting/article248296820.html

I can’t see Cal taking on a player who quit on his friend in coaching.

[adkindo]

Akindo will like this one:

https://www.kentucky.com/sports/college/kentucky-sports/uk-recruiting/article248296820.html

I can’t see Cal taking on a player who quit on his friend in coaching.

I thought is seemed very weird also, but I saw that article earlier and it claimed UK was in contact with him as soon as he hit the portal. I recall a couple weeks ago when Cal suspended the Freshman player, some fans inquired on WVU boards if he left, would WVU have a chance....and the common response was nobody thought Huggins would consider someone that left Cal not on the best of terms. Who knows, that was just fan opinions....maybe we think they are tighter than they actually are, or maybe they just consider this business.

Not sure if you saw the tweet from Fran today...


Fran Fraschilla
@franfraschilla

I liked Oscar Tshiebwe as a kid at @WVUhoops. I am reasonably sure there was tampering going on but that would just make it a Tuesday in college basketball. Simply put, with Derek Culver’s dramatic improvement there was little space inside. Skill level must improve at next stop.

6:36 PM · Jan 5, 2021

[WVRed]

I thought is seemed very weird also, but I saw that article earlier and it claimed UK was in contact with him as soon as he hit the portal. I recall a couple weeks ago when Cal suspended the Freshman player, some fans inquired on WVU boards if he left, would WVU have a chance....and the common response was nobody thought Huggins would consider someone that left Cal not on the best of terms. Who knows, that was just fan opinions....maybe we think they are tighter than they actually are, or maybe they just consider this business.

Not sure if you saw the tweet from Fran today...

I hope he doesn’t end up at UK, but if he does Cal will likely know exactly what happened from Huggins.

The difference is we don’t know what happened with Oscar as to why he left WVU. We can guess but for Huggins to slam the door on a return it’s pretty telling. Fletcher OTOH it was on tv for everyone to see what the problem was.

[WVRed]

Where was this team all season?

Tyrese Maxey broke a single game rookie scoring record set by Allen Iverson today too.

[WVRed]

Jeff Goodman is reporting Kentucky as the favorite for Oscar Tshiebwe.

Adding him and Damion Collins next year would give UK a loaded frontcourt. Curious to see why he left Morgantown though.

[adkindo]

Jeff Goodman is reporting Kentucky as the favorite for Oscar Tshiebwe.

Adding him and Damion Collins next year would give UK a loaded frontcourt. Curious to see why he left Morgantown though.

I do not think it is really about why he left, it is the process and who was involved. I think it is very likely his reason for leaving was he did not feel Huggins and WVU was optimizing his NBA stock, and if he feels that way I consider that fair. The thing that I think is important is the process and who was involved, and honestly I doubt we are ever 100% sure. After Fran Fraschilla went public with there was tampering, it was expected that he would have to be careful and slow walk to his destination as the process was being watched closely. Maybe it became too hot, and plans had to change significantly.

If Cal was not at UK, there is part of me that would prefer him to end up at UK because I know he would get the development he needs if he recommits, and I think Miami would be a huge mistake on his part....but I do not like the fact that Cal is seeking to add him.

[WVRed]

I do not think it is really about why he left, it is the process and who was involved. I think it is very likely his reason for leaving was he did not feel Huggins and WVU was optimizing his NBA stock, and if he feels that way I consider that fair. The thing that I think is important is the process and who was involved, and honestly I doubt we are ever 100% sure. After Fran Fraschilla went public with there was tampering, it was expected that he would have to be careful and slow walk to his destination as the process was being watched closely. Maybe it became too hot, and plans had to change significantly.

If Cal was not at UK, there is part of me that would prefer him to end up at UK because I know he would get the development he needs if he recommits, and I think Miami would be a huge mistake on his part....but I do not like the fact that Cal is seeking to add him.

You are kind of contradicting yourself. Cal being at UK is why Oscar is likely looking at going there (again) in order to get development.

I don’t like it either simply because I don’t like how he left WVU. If the tampering part gets investigated I’m curious to see how long it takes before he gets ruled eligible. Could be Olivier Sarr all over again or worse.

[adkindo]

You are kind of contradicting yourself. Cal being at UK is why Oscar is likely looking at going there (again) in order to get development.

I don’t like it either simply because I don’t like how he left WVU. If the tampering part gets investigated I’m curious to see how long it takes before he gets ruled eligible. Could be Olivier Sarr all over again or worse.

I do not expect him to be ineligible, and the tampering part had nothing to do with UK....so I expect if that is where he lands, the interest in anything that went on behind the scenes will pretty much go away. I think Oscar is a really good young man....he just needs to commit himself and get back in shape to play at the effort level he displayed as a Freshman....where he had the best motor I have ever seen from a big man in college, and that is not hyperbole. He went 100% the whole game. This year, it appeared his motor was leaking oil and operating with a blown head gasket. Huggs suggested it was related to him not working in the offseason and getting caught up too much in being a local celebrity....but maybe it was because he was considering leaving. I heard Norlander suggest on the CBS Eye on Basketball podcast this week that he had been hearing things for a while that Oscar may end up at another school....not sure what "a while" is defined as....

[cumberlandreds]

Where was this team all season?

Tyrese Maxey broke a single game rookie scoring record set by Allen Iverson today too.

I just saw the 2nd half. Brooks looked good. He is going to help them a lot. Still a long road to climb but if they can place really high in the SEC(at least 2nd or 3rd) they could still make the NCAA's.

[WVRed]

Oscar to UK became official last night.

Anyone want to bet UK is going to Morgantown next year for the SEC-Texas Ten Challenge?

[adkindo]

Oscar to UK became official last night.

Anyone want to bet UK is going to Morgantown next year for the SEC-Texas Ten Challenge?

If so, it would probably be at Rupp since you guys came to Morgantown in 2017-18? It will also probably depend on if WVU is projected to be a Top25 team next year....which we will unless Deuce and/or Culver leave early. It seems like they usually try to matchup UK with either a big brand (Kansas, Texas, etc.) or a Big12 contender in that specific matchup....but they do like the Huggins/Cal angle.

[WVRed]

If so, it would probably be at Rupp since you guys came to Morgantown in 2017-18? It will also probably depend on if WVU is projected to be a Top25 team next year....which we will unless Deuce and/or Culver leave early. It seems like they usually try to matchup UK with either a big brand (Kansas, Texas, etc.) or a Big12 contender in that specific matchup....but they do like the Huggins/Cal angle.

Kentucky is hosting Texas this year so I see a trip to Allen Fieldhouse next year or possibly Waco.

[WVRed]

Kentucky is getting throttled by Bama currently.

Sad news today as Ben Jordan who played baseball at UK and walked on last years team passed away today. He’s from close to where I used to live growing up.

[cumberlandreds]

Kentucky is getting throttled by Bama currently.

Sad news today as Ben Jordan who played baseball at UK and walked on last years team passed away today. He’s from close to where I used to live growing up.

What happened to him? COVID related? Just way too young.


As for the team one step forward Saturday, two steps back last night. Just typical for a freshman team.

[WVRed]

What happened to him? COVID related? Just way too young.


As for the team one step forward Saturday, two steps back last night. Just typical for a freshman team.

Sent you a PM

[WVRed]

I think it’s possible between the kneeling, the losing (again today at Auburn) and Cals handling of players this season that a large part of the fan base has turned on him.

Doesn’t matter as he’s making too much money to go away.

[cumberlandreds]

I think it’s possible between the kneeling, the losing (again today at Auburn) and Cals handling of players this season that a large part of the fan base has turned on him.

Doesn’t matter as he’s making too much money to go away.

Fans will really love it when after a few of the freshman are drafted Cal will say this is the greatest day in UK history. This season has turned into a true dumpster fire.

[Assembly Hall]

Honest question. Do you UK fans really see talent in your frosh? And if so, why the struggles? Talent usually trumps.

[WVRed]

Honest question. Do you UK fans really see talent in your frosh? And if so, why the struggles? Talent usually trumps.

The talent is there but the development isn’t, and a lot of that has to do with COVID and roster turnover.

A typical Kentucky season either starts or has a couple games before the Champions Classic (Kansas, Duke, Michigan State) with a cupcake schedule usually until the CBS Sports Classic (UNC, Ohio State, UCLA) and Louisville. There may be a quality non conference game thrown in plus the Big 12-SEC Challenge in January.

This year, the only cupcake has been Morehead State. Every week outside of Richmond they are playing a Power 5 team.

The turnover has been the other side of the coin. Due to transfer and the draft this team only had one returning contributor in Keion Brooks who missed the first half of the season.

With how this year is shaping up, veteran teams would have to be favored to win it all. With everything described above a team coming out of high school into college and playing in these circumstances is basketball suicide. Reasonable fans could see why this would be a struggle. Kentucky fans are not reasonable. I actually feel sorry for these kids because they aren’t getting to play in a packed Rupp Arena or play in the SEC Tournament with Big Blue Nation traveling to Nashville and cheering them on but they are experiencing the worst of this fan base in terms of criticism.

Where fans have an issue is Cal is refusing to adjust his coaching. He is living and dying with BJ Boston and Terrence Clarke (when he comes back). He lets them stay in the game and give it away but holds players like Dontae Allen and Jacob Toppin to a completely different standard and will yank them out over one mistake. I honestly wouldn’t blame either player if they transferred after the season.

These kids were five stars for a reason. BJ Boston played with Bronny James and Zaire Wade. Askew and Clarke should be in HS this year but reclassified. The good news is most of the players on this team should be back and with the players coming next season it should get better.

[Assembly Hall]

The talent is there but the development isn’t, and a lot of that has to do with COVID and roster turnover.

A typical Kentucky season either starts or has a couple games before the Champions Classic (Kansas, Duke, Michigan State) with a cupcake schedule usually until the CBS Sports Classic (UNC, Ohio State, UCLA) and Louisville. There may be a quality non conference game thrown in plus the Big 12-SEC Challenge in January.

This year, the only cupcake has been Morehead State. Every week outside of Richmond they are playing a Power 5 team.

The turnover has been the other side of the coin. Due to transfer and the draft this team only had one returning contributor in Keion Brooks who missed the first half of the season.

With how this year is shaping up, veteran teams would have to be favored to win it all. With everything described above a team coming out of high school into college and playing in these circumstances is basketball suicide. Reasonable fans could see why this would be a struggle. Kentucky fans are not reasonable. I actually feel sorry for these kids because they aren’t getting to play in a packed Rupp Arena or play in the SEC Tournament with Big Blue Nation traveling to Nashville and cheering them on but they are experiencing the worst of this fan base in terms of criticism.

Where fans have an issue is Cal is refusing to adjust his coaching. He is living and dying with BJ Boston and Terrence Clarke (when he comes back). He lets them stay in the game and give it away but holds players like Dontae Allen and Jacob Toppin to a completely different standard and will yank them out over one mistake. I honestly wouldn’t blame either player if they transferred after the season.

These kids were five stars for a reason. BJ Boston played with Bronny James and Zaire Wade. Askew and Clarke should be in HS this year but reclassified. The good news is most of the players on this team should be back and with the players coming next season it should get better.

Great response and TY for it.

I did come across this today...https://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/john-clay/article248555110.html

[WVRed]

Another comment from last nights radio show:

Cal basically doubled down on not wanting to take these players hearts away and asked “What if it were your son?”

I know non UK fans will delight in this but I’m seriously wondering if Cal is on the take.

[Boston Red]

Notre Dame probably belongs in the cupcake column this year.

[Assembly Hall]

Notre Dame probably belongs in the cupcake column this year.

Better get the Irish this year, 'cause Blake Wesley is already in town. Got a feeling that kid is gonna be special.

[cumberlandreds]

First time Alabama to sweep UK since 1989. That was Eddie Sutton's last year and the last time UK had a losing record. Looking more and more like this will be 2nd losing season I have seen UK have since I have been a fan. Which has been about 50 years.

[Assembly Hall]

First time Alabama to sweep UK since 1989. That was Eddie Sutton's last year and the last time UK had a losing record. Looking more and more like this will be 2nd losing season I have seen UK have since I have been a fan. Which has been about 50 years.

Is it gonna be better for you guys next year?

[cumberlandreds]

Is it gonna be better for you guys next year?

If most of these freshman stay they should be. There is good talent in them, just very inexperienced. Basically typical freshmen. That's the big question? If its like usual most will leave for the pros or transfer and then they are back to square one like this year.

[WVRed]

Is it gonna be better for you guys next year?

On paper, yes.

They will likely lose Boston, Clarke, Jackson, and Sarr to the draft. Whether they should is another story but as we know the NBA drafts on potential.

Incoming they have Daimion Collins, Bryce Hopkins, Nolan Hickman, Skyy Clark (reclassifying) and Oscar Tshiebwe (transfer).

They are still on Jaden Hardy and Hunter Sallis but my guess is they lose them to the G-League and Gonzaga, respectively.

It depends on what the college landscape looks like next year as well. If things ever get back to “normal” it’s possible Kentucky bounces back but college basketball right now is built for veteran teams and not one and dones. Duke is struggling as well.

[Assembly Hall]

You 'Cat fans giving up on Brooks?

[cumberlandreds]

The UK/Texas game has been canceled due to COVID problems with UK basketball. The program has been put on 48 hour pause. Oh well, probably saved another loss.

[WVRed]

The UK/Texas game has been canceled due to COVID problems with UK basketball. The program has been put on 48 hour pause. Oh well, probably saved another loss.

Which might as well be the nail in the coffin for Kentucky’s NCAA tournament hopes.

The SEC tournament is a possibility but it would hinge on conference tournaments being played.

[cumberlandreds]

The only chance they have is the SEC tournament. I highly doubt that will be played. IMO the NCAA will put a lot of subtle pressure on the conferences to not have tournaments so the teams going to the NCAA's will be healthy and had no more exposure to COVID than necessary.

[adkindo]

The UK/Texas game has been canceled due to COVID problems with UK basketball. The program has been put on 48 hour pause. Oh well, probably saved another loss.

48 Hour pause? Seems like an extremely short pause for COVID.

[WVRed]

48 Hour pause? Seems like an extremely short pause for COVID.

It’s basically to evaluate the rest of the team and see if there are any more positive cases. I’d say they aren’t playing Tuesday night at Missouri and probably the following Saturday against Tennessee.

[WVRed]

Ok, so to show how weird it’s been today:

No pre-game press conference for Missouri and the team hasn’t left. Nothing has come out at all from the UK side of things regarding tomorrow night.

BJ Boston, Terrence Clarke, and Jacob Toppin were all in attendance at the UK women’s game on Sunday.

I understand HIPPA privacy and everything but you would think we would hear something by now.

[cumberlandreds]

The game has been rescheduled for Wednesday night at 7 pm. I kinda get the distinct feeling everyone in the program just wants this season to be over.

[Assembly Hall]

I see Rev's Ft. Wayne boy showed up last night.

[WVRed]

I see Rev's Ft. Wayne boy showed up last night.

Double double.

Curious to see who comes back next season. Brooks likely doesn’t factor in NBA discussion right now. Clarke, Boston, and Jackson will likely take the first flight out of Lexington after the season for the NBA but as we all know there will be transfers.

[WVRed]

Terrence Clarke is likely done for the season:

Calipari says Terrence Clarke is out another four weeks: “There were tears today”

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/calipari-says-terrence-clarke-is-out-another-four-weeks-there-were-tears-today/

[Assembly Hall]

Terrence Clarke is likely done for the season:

Calipari says Terrence Clarke is out another four weeks: “There were tears today”

https://kentuckysportsradio.com/basketball-2/calipari-says-terrence-clarke-is-out-another-four-weeks-there-were-tears-today/

There goes your season! LOL

[cumberlandreds]

Three in a row after whipping Tennessee today in Knoxville. Looks like they might be coming together but albeit too late to make the NCAA's without a miracle in the SEC tournament..

[WVRed]

Three in a row after whipping Tennessee today in Knoxville. Looks like they might be coming together but albeit too late to make the NCAA's without a miracle in the SEC tournament..

Very optimistic though heading into next season especially if Davion Mintz comes back.

[cumberlandreds]

Very optimistic though heading into next season especially if Davion Mintz comes back.

I thought Mintz was a graduate transfer and this is it for him? Yea it all depends on who comes back.

Just read that the A&M game Tuesday night has been canceled due to COVID issues for A&M. Just when things start looking up COVID raises its ugly head again. That will be the fifth straight game for A&M canceled. I would think they are at the point of just calling off the rest of the season.

[WVRed]

I thought Mintz was a graduate transfer and this is it for him? Yea it all depends on who comes back.

Just read that the A&M game Tuesday night has been canceled due to COVID issues for A&M. Just when things start looking up COVID raises its ugly head again. That will be the fifth straight game for A&M canceled. I would think they are at the point of just calling off the rest of the season.

Seniors are granted an extra season due to covid and he is seriously considering it.

[cumberlandreds]

Seniors are granted an extra season due to covid and he is seriously considering it.

Thanks. I hope he does.

[Cliffawed]

Great Toppin got eligibility this year. was expecting big things but the vandy game was a flash.

If he can get to the FT line regularly he could be a problem. attempting 2-3 3's a game would open the floor up for everyone too.

[cumberlandreds]

The SEC has re-scheduled UK's game with South Carolina for March 6th in Lexington. None of the other games canceled will be re-scheduled. So in the end UK will lose three games to COVID.

[WVRed]

Kentucky loses to Florida which all but means they have to win the SEC Tournament to get in.

Looking ahead to next season though:

If Clarke, Boston, and Jackson leave:

Guards-Devin Askew, Nolan Hickman, Daivion Mintz, Skyy Clark

Wings- Jacob Toppin, CamRon Fletcher

Bigs- Olivier Sarr, Oscar Tshiebwe, Daimion Collins, Lance Ware, Bryce Hopkins, Keion Brooks

I can see some more attrition to the roster especially Fletcher and possibly up front but this may be the best front court in the nation next season.

[cumberlandreds]

Any thoughts from other UK fans on how far this years Cats will advace in the SEC tournament? Most people are predicting UK to win today but go out tomorrow against Bama. Which is the safe pick. I will be wildly optimistic and say UK will advance all the way to Sunday but lose a close one to Arkansas. It will be like 1979 when UK was in the same predicament in having to win the SEC tournament to get a NCAA bid. UK had a great run in that tourney but came up short in OT against Tennessee.

The game today is at noon against Miss State on the SEC Network.

[WVRed]

Any thoughts from other UK fans on how far this years Cats will advace in the SEC tournament? Most people are predicting UK to win today but go out tomorrow against Bama. Which is the safe pick. I will be wildly optimistic and say UK will advance all the way to Sunday but lose a close one to Arkansas. It will be like 1979 when UK was in the same predicament in having to win the SEC tournament to get a NCAA bid. UK had a great run in that tourney but came up short in OT against Tennessee.

The game today is at noon against Miss State on the SEC Network.

Last four minutes did them in again.

Fitting end to the season.

[cumberlandreds]

Last four minutes did them in again.

Fitting end to the season.

Yep, microcosm of the season. Get down big, comeback to take a lead and then blow it at the end. Oh well it just gets the agony over quicker for this season. Go get'em next year.

[cumberlandreds]

WVred,

Any thought on who comes back next year? Jackson and Boston are probably gone for sure. How about Mintz and Saar coming back? I haven't been able to keep up as much this season. We finally got fully moved when the season was starting and have been trying to sort things out and repair a needier house than expected. So I am way behind.

[WVRed]

WVred,

Any thought on who comes back next year? Jackson and Boston are probably gone for sure. How about Mintz and Saar coming back? I haven't been able to keep up as much this season. We finally got fully moved when the season was starting and have been trying to sort things out and repair a needier house than expected. So I am way behind.

Boston might be back from what I’ve been reading. Jackson is gone as he should be. Clarke will likely go even though he shouldn’t.

On the transfer market keep an eye on Auburns Justin Powell. He is a Kentucky native and a 6’6 sharpshooter, exactly what Kentucky needs going into next season. He reminds me of Sean McNeil, another Kentucky native who broke out big time this year for WVU.

[WVRed]

Kentucky loses to Florida which all but means they have to win the SEC Tournament to get in.

Looking ahead to next season though:

If Clarke, Boston, and Jackson leave:

Guards-Devin Askew, Nolan Hickman, Daivion Mintz, Skyy Clark

Wings- Jacob Toppin, CamRon Fletcher

Bigs- Olivier Sarr, Oscar Tshiebwe, Daimion Collins, Lance Ware, Bryce Hopkins, Keion Brooks

I can see some more attrition to the roster especially Fletcher and possibly up front but this may be the best front court in the nation next season.

I had posted this a couple weeks ago but some changes:

Clark isn’t going to be able to reclassify. That said, I forgot Dontaie Allen.

There’s also the possibility of BJ Boston coming back and Justin Powell committing if offered. Still a lot of moving parts but I think this team could be significantly better barring major changes.

[cumberlandreds]

I had posted this a couple weeks ago but some changes:

Clark isn’t going to be able to reclassify. That said, I forgot Dontaie Allen.

There’s also the possibility of BJ Boston coming back and Justin Powell committing if offered. Still a lot of moving parts but I think this team could be significantly better barring major changes.

I just read about Powell the other day. I hope Cal is finally realizing you need good shooters as much or more than just good athletes. Its very hard to win today without good three point shooting.

UK's record of 9-16 is the worst percentage wise since the 1926-27 season in which they went 3-13. It was only the 2nd losing record in modern times. The other was Eddie Sutton's last season in 88-89. I still think that one was worse because of all the turmoil of NCCA sanctions looming over the program.

I hope Cal has finally learned you can't have a total changeover in roster and still be able to compete at a high level. They had done it before but its very risky otherwise and we saw it this year. Hopefully most of these guys will stay and with added good talent (And no COVID) they can back at a high level next season.

Just an added thought. I wonder how much effect losing Kenny Payne was to Cal and the program? I had always thought he played the good cop when someone got nto Cal's doghouse. Not to even say he was a very good coach.

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I had posted this a couple weeks ago but some changes:

Clark isn’t going to be able to reclassify. That said, I forgot Dontaie Allen.

There’s also the possibility of BJ Boston coming back and Justin Powell committing if offered. Still a lot of moving parts but I think this team could be significantly better barring major changes.

I just read about Powell the other day. I hope Cal is finally realizing you need good shooters as much or more than just good athletes. Its very hard to win today without good three point shooting.

UK's record of 9-16 is the worst percentage wise since the 1926-27 season in which they went 3-13. It was only the 2nd losing record in modern times. The other was Eddie Sutton's last season in 88-89. I still think that one was worse because of all the turmoil of NCCA sanctions looming over the program.

I hope Cal has finally learned you can't have a total changeover in roster and still be able to compete at a high level. They had done it before but its very risky otherwise and we saw it this year. Hopefully most of these guys will stay and with added good talent (And no COVID) they can back at a high level next season.

Just an added thought. I wonder how much effect losing Kenny Payne was to Cal and the program? I had always thought he played the good cop when someone got nto Cal's doghouse. Not to even say he was a very good coach.

[WVRed]

I just read about Powell the other day. I hope Cal is finally realizing you need good shooters as much or more than just good athletes. Its very hard to win today without good three point shooting.

UK's record of 9-16 is the worst percentage wise since the 1926-27 season in which they went 3-13. It was only the 2nd losing record in modern times. The other was Eddie Sutton's last season in 88-89. I still think that one was worse because of all the turmoil of NCCA sanctions looming over the program.

I hope Cal has finally learned you can't have a total changeover in roster and still be able to compete at a high level. They had done it before but its very risky otherwise and we saw it this year. Hopefully most of these guys will stay and with added good talent (And no COVID) they can back at a high level next season.

Just an added thought. I wonder how much effect losing Kenny Payne was to Cal and the program? I had always thought he played the good cop when someone got nto Cal's doghouse. Not to even say he was a very good coach.

It’s already started. Cam’Ron Fletcher enters the portal. Not a surprise after Cal sent him home midseason. Between him and Terrence Clarke it will be addition by subtraction.

Askew is coming back too. Another year should do him wonders.

[WVRed]

Boston and Terence Clarke to the draft and Lance Ware coming back.

[cumberlandreds]

Boston and Terence Clarke to the draft and Lance Ware coming back.

Jackson left it open to come back. But I doubt he will. It does look like a core will be back and they should at least give them some stability.

[goreds2]

At least the UK ladies team is still in it. They play Iowa on Tuesday.

[WVRed]

Jackson left it open to come back. But I doubt he will. It does look like a core will be back and they should at least give them some stability.

Another name to keep an eye on:

Walker Kessler, a 7’1 center from UNC just entered the transfer portal. He’s good friends with Justin Powell and speculation both could end up at Kentucky.

[WVRed]

UK just picked up another transfer, Kellan Grady from Davidson.

Anyone else think Cal made a mistake running Johnny Juzang off?

[cumberlandreds]

UK just picked up another transfer, Kellan Grady from Davidson.

Anyone else think Cal made a mistake running Johnny Juzang off?

It looks like Grady can shoot the three's. He has over 2,000 points at Davidson. This is what they need. Hopefully he can play at the highest level.

Juzang proved he can play at this level. That's for sure. I never heard why he left? I just figured he knew he wasn't going get to be a one and done at UK and just moved on.

[WVRed]

It looks like Grady can shoot the three's. He has over 2,000 points at Davidson. This is what they need. Hopefully he can play at the highest level.

Juzang proved he can play at this level. That's for sure. I never heard why he left? I just figured he knew he wasn't going get to be a one and done at UK and just moved on.

He’s from California and wanted to move back home. Cal was pretty supportive of it from everything I’ve read.

[cumberlandreds]

He’s from California and wanted to move back home. Cal was pretty supportive of it from everything I’ve read.

I thought maybe it could have been a case of home sickness. Do you think Grady coming to UK rules out Powell? They seem kind of similar.

[WVRed]

I thought maybe it could have been a case of home sickness. Do you think Grady coming to UK rules out Powell? They seem kind of similar.

https://247sports.com/college/kentucky/Article/Kentucky-basketball-UCLA-Johnny-Juzang-163245492/?fbclid=IwAR1JrPRWL4OR8lz0DBfJj9lb1r8HClEE6Vd4fpd2 NVt691p8INklJLrLEA8

I hope not on Powell but probably.

[WVRed]

Powell went to Tennessee and now Askew has entered the transfer portal:

https://247sports.com/college/basketball/recruiting/Article/Devin-Askew-transfer-portal-Kentucky-basketball--163672084/

Cal really needs to cut his losses with California. Must mean Mintz is coming back or Marcus Carr is going to commit.