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Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 09:18 AM
Reds
1. Jesse Winker (L) DH
2. Joey Votto (L) 1B
3. Eugenio Suarez (R) 3B
4. Nick Castellanos (R) RF
5. Josh VanMeter (L) 2B
6. Shogo Akiyama (L) LF
7. Freddy Galvis (S) SS
8. Travis Jankowski (L) CF
9. Curt Casali (R) C
SP Trevor Bauer

Tigers
1. Niko Goodrum (S) SS
2. Jonathan Schoop (R) 2B
3. Miguel Cabrera (R) DH
4. C.J. Cron (R) 1B
5. Christin Stewart (L) LF
6. Harold Castro (L) 3B
7. Victor Reyes (S) RF
8. Grayson Greiner (R) C
9. JaCoby Jones (R) CF
SP Spencer Turnbull (R)

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 10:08 AM
Tigers lineup has been added to the original post

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 10:13 AM
Poo. No Nick today. Would much rather he be in the OF with Jesse at DH and VanMeter on the bench.

Kilgore_Trout
07-26-2020, 10:19 AM
Moustakas scratched...

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 10:20 AM
Moustakas scratched...

oh crap, i hope this isn't for the virus.

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 10:23 AM
The fact they don't list a reason is worrisome....

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 10:25 AM
Oh crap.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 10:28 AM
The original post has been edited to Reds revised lineup

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 10:45 AM
Half of those guys are struggling. Hope their bats wake up.

Rolando
07-26-2020, 10:47 AM
Why in the world is Van meter batting ahead of shogo

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 11:08 AM
Wasn’t the main thrust behind the Shogo signing to have him leading off?

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 11:12 AM
John Fay
@johnfayman

4m
Moustakas scratched. Woke up not feeling well. Bell said they’re being cautious. Moustakas did not come to ballpark. #reds

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 11:25 AM
Perhaps we should be happy the Reds won one game in this series. Just cannot matchup with AL hitting or pitching

JP321
07-26-2020, 11:36 AM
I have no issue with the lineups he has run out. I do however have concern over how Bell might manage this bullpen. Iggy isnt the same pitcher he was when he first arrived and Bell needs to recognize that and make the change. I honestly prefer Amir in the closer spot.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 11:40 AM
Bobby Nightengale
@nightengalejr
Mike Moustakas was scratched because he wasn't feeling well this morning. David Bell said they're very hopeful it's nothing and he'll be back, but it's important to be overly cautious. #Reds

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 11:57 AM
I have no issue with the lineups he has run out. I do however have concern over how Bell might manage this bullpen. Iggy isnt the same pitcher he was when he first arrived and Bell needs to recognize that and make the change. I honestly prefer Amir in the closer spot.

I’d prefer a committee twixt Garrett & Strop, depending on matchups.

JP321
07-26-2020, 12:06 PM
I’d prefer a committee twixt Garrett & Strop, depending on matchups.

Sadly, I completely forgot Strop was on our team. He would def be in the mix

NebraskaRed
07-26-2020, 12:07 PM
Reds Media Relations
@RedsPR

Senzel scratched. Galvis moved to 7th, Jankowski batting eighth CF.

NOT GOOD

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 12:08 PM
Oh dear Lord

JP321
07-26-2020, 12:11 PM
Guess we are going to find out how deep we are today. Players falling out of lineup left and right.

kaldaniels
07-26-2020, 12:13 PM
Nm

ochoa30
07-26-2020, 12:13 PM
Man, this ain’t looking very good. Hopefully minor things not related to you know what. Ugh.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 12:14 PM
The original post has been edited for revised Reds lineup

Kc61
07-26-2020, 12:28 PM
I have no issue with the lineups he has run out. I do however have concern over how Bell might manage this bullpen. Iggy isnt the same pitcher he was when he first arrived and Bell needs to recognize that and make the change. I honestly prefer Amir in the closer spot.

The back of this bullpen isn’t easy to manage. No consistency. I’d prefer Lorenzen as closer if he’s healthy. But he was injured during training camp. I can’t blame Bell at all for yesterday. He used his top four guys and three coughed it up.

Maybe Strop will get a shot today, at least he throws ground balls. He’s a good type for the Reds, if there’s something left in the tank, hopefully there is.

M2
07-26-2020, 12:36 PM
LH hitters mutilate Spencer Turnbull. The opportunity is there for a lot of Reds players to have a good day.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 12:49 PM
Moose on injured list. Welcome Tyler Stephenson.

KYExtemper
07-26-2020, 01:01 PM
Didn't take long for the COVID stuff to hit this team. Gotta weather the storm and get this series.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:03 PM
Out of the 30 mlb teams just 4 have 2 wins.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:06 PM
Out of the 30 mlb teams just 4 have 2 wins.

How many are playing the Tigers?

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Didn't take long for the COVID stuff to hit this team. Gotta weather the storm and get this series.

Agree. These absences are going to happen this season. Just go forward.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:10 PM
Can’t imagine how hot it must be with those masks on.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:12 PM
Bauer needs to be nails.

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 01:13 PM
Another K to start todayís game

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:13 PM
Bauer opens the game with a K

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 01:14 PM
Bauer K's his first hitter. We really need a stellar performance form him. With all the scracthes/IL moves, good thing the Reds are deep.

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 01:15 PM
Back to back Ks

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 01:15 PM
Other than having trouble with the high fastball, Bauer's brought the stuff today.

That curve was filthy.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:17 PM
I like this Red jersey without the white piping down the front.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 01:18 PM
Man you can just tell when Welsh is excited about the subject he's talking about.

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 01:19 PM
Slick play by VanMeter

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:19 PM
Nice play Van Meter.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:20 PM
Cabrera looks rejuvenated

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:24 PM
Great AB Jesse.

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 01:25 PM
Winker still scuffling

Suarez still scuffling

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:25 PM
Reds have zero luck.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:27 PM
Ugly ugly ugly. 2 strikeouts and a pop fly against a guy who was 3-17 a year ago.

Bruce Berenyi
07-26-2020, 01:29 PM
thats ok aquino had a bad winter ball he deserves to not play

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 01:33 PM
Ugly ugly ugly. 2 strikeouts and a pop fly against a guy who was 3-17 a year ago.

I havenít been impressed with this new offense at all.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:35 PM
4 K's for Bauer

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 01:36 PM
4 Ks for Bauer

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 01:36 PM
Struggled with control a bit, but Bauer gets thru 2nd. 0-0

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:37 PM
Bauer looks superb

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:40 PM
Yeah, things haven’t changed much.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:42 PM
Base hit Shogo!

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:42 PM
Bauer looks superb

33 pitches in 2 innings. On track to go six.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 01:43 PM
Shogo's got some speed.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:43 PM
Shogo swipes 2nd base

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 01:43 PM
Steal for Shogo

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 01:44 PM
Man I'm a fan of the Shogo acquisition.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:45 PM
Freddy walks

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 01:46 PM
'Rally' snuffed out. 0-0

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:47 PM
Reds 0
Tigers 0
After 2 innings

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:47 PM
Jankowski...hah.

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 01:49 PM
Man I'm a fan of the Shogo acquisition.

How he isn't leading off makes absolutely no sense

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:49 PM
Jankowski...hah.

Winker, Suarez, Van Meter hitting .000.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:50 PM
5 K's

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 01:50 PM
5 Ks for Bauer

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 01:50 PM
Bauer is just dealing.

This rotation is a beast.

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 01:50 PM
Winker, Suarez, Van Meter hitting .000.

Although that is first official at bat for VM

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:52 PM
Although that is first official at bat for VM

Yes, as with Jankowski.

Senzel with a goose egg. Ervin.

Early days.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:54 PM
Yes, as with Jankowski.

Senzel with a goose egg.

Nick was robbed twice yesterday.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:55 PM
Nick was robbed twice yesterday.

Loud outs.

But it’s early.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:55 PM
Tigers take the lead

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 01:55 PM
That could be game, this offense isn't gonna score with their lacking plate discipline. Also the Reds could learn from the Tigers on how to make a SP work

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 01:55 PM
Sigh, Goodrum hits a home run.

Tigers up 1-0.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:56 PM
FFS

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 01:56 PM
Iím not sure why Thom and Chris are so confused about these HRs the last few nights. Each time they have sounded like they were spanked.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 01:57 PM
That could be game, this offense isn't gonna score with their lacking plate discipline. Also the Reds could learn from the Tigers on how to make a SP work

If that’s the game the Reds have a problem. I doubt that’s the game. Still the third inning, one run.

Tom Servo
07-26-2020, 01:57 PM
You can’t stop the vaunted Tigers offense you can only hope to contain it.

BCubb2003
07-26-2020, 01:57 PM
I don’t know what the science would be, but could the ball travel farther without fans in the stands?

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 01:57 PM
That could be game, this offense isn't gonna score with their lacking plate discipline. Also the Reds could learn from the Tigers on how to make a SP work

You sound pretty sure of this

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 01:58 PM
If that’s the game the Reds have a problem. I doubt that’s the game. Still the third inning, one run.

That's what I'm trying to say, I have not been impressed with this offense one bit. Even in game 1, they left a lot of men on base early and then last night get completely shut down.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 01:59 PM
If it makes you feel any better several Marlins have come down with Covid as well.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 01:59 PM
I don’t know what the science would be, but could the ball travel farther without fans in the stands?

Probably have to factor in the Mu from the howlers.

JP321
07-26-2020, 01:59 PM
So much game left.. way too early to be saying its over

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:01 PM
Casali walks

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:02 PM
Geez. Tight zone

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:03 PM
Jesse Winker is just an awful hitter. Any lineup that continues to trot out somebody like him has some serious problems

chicoruiz
07-26-2020, 02:03 PM
That could be game, this offense isn't gonna score with their lacking plate discipline. Also the Reds could learn from the Tigers on how to make a SP work

Averaging four pitches per batter the first time through the lineup. Not that bad IMHO...

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:03 PM
winker looks lost.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:04 PM
Wink started slowly last year. Need his bat if Moose is going to be out.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:04 PM
not sure why bell doesn't want shogo leading off

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:04 PM
Get Winker the heck out of the lineup.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:05 PM
Get Winker the heck out of the lineup.

No way that’s happening with these absences.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:07 PM
Joey has hit some shots at the first baseman do far this year

Patrick Bateman
07-26-2020, 02:07 PM
Jesse Winker is just an awful hitter. Any lineup that continues to trot out somebody like him has some serious problems

He literally has a career .900 ops vs righties

Have a beer,, and letís not spend our day over analyzing every micro event.


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Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:07 PM
not sure why bell doesn't want shogo leading off

Chris says it’s to get more power at the top.

I’d prefer Shogo lead off, with Winker at six. Or Winker 5th with Moose out.

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 02:07 PM
10 at bats and we want Winker on the bench. You guys are hilarious.

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Joey has hit some shots at the first baseman do far this year

Robbed on the flair to left as well.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:08 PM
Seriously. it's been two and 1/3rds games. These kinds of mini-slumps happen in baseball all the time in the middle of a normal season.

dfs
07-26-2020, 02:09 PM
Third game of the season and Tommy boy is telling us how bad Suarez is. The nut didn't fall very far from the tree.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:09 PM
the new thing thom is really mad about is the volume of strikeouts in mlb.

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:09 PM
Guess people are going to want Suarez benched next right?

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:09 PM
Third game of the season and Tommy boy is telling us how bad Suarez is. The nut didn't fall very far from the tree.

Well Votto's made it difficult to blame him.

One of the stars has to be at fault you know.

chicoruiz
07-26-2020, 02:09 PM
If I’m an opposing 1B, when Votto comes to bat I’m wearing shin guards and a chest protector...

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:09 PM
This is just ugly

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:10 PM
Problem with Winker leading off is that it often results in a station-to-station situation.

Shogo more likely to get to third on a Votto hit.

Also Wink showed power last year don’t mind him in an RBI spot at all.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:10 PM
Guess people are going to want Suarez benched next right?

usually guys who hit 49 home runs in a season get the benefit of the doubt. at least that's how i roll.

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Problem with Winker leading off is that it often results in a station-to-station situation.

Shogo more likely to get to third on a Votto hit.

Also Wink showed power last year don’t mind him in an RBI spot at all.

how does bell not see this?

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:11 PM
Seriously. it's been two and 1/3rds games. These kinds of mini-slumps happen in baseball all the time in the middle of a normal season.

this isn't a normal season. Results are needed ASAP and if they aren't there then find somebody who can provide them. I think Aquino needs to inserted into the lineup and given a shot

NachoMan
07-26-2020, 02:11 PM
Did they announce Moose testing positive? I heard Thom saying he's out at least two weeks?

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:11 PM
Did they announce Mouse testing positive? I heard Thom saying he's out at least two weeks?

i think it's assumed, but i have not heard any confirmation yet.

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:12 PM
Just wish some would relax. Its frustrating but these guys can hit. Senzel hit a couple rockets yesterday and has nothing, yet Schoop has 3 hits that couldnt break glass

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:13 PM
Seriously. it's been two and 1/3rds games. These kinds of mini-slumps happen in baseball all the time in the middle of a normal season.

Are you tellin' me that every player in the lineup doesn't get at least one hit and one RBI every single game

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 02:13 PM
Did they announce Moose testing positive? I heard Thom saying he's out at least two weeks?

They haven’t and that’s not true at all. It’s an undetermined amount of time.

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 02:13 PM
Did they announce Moose testing positive? I heard Thom saying he's out at least two weeks?

No. Thom is wrong. Just yesterday he killed Jack Clark.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:13 PM
thom is amazed so many fans watch the reds on fox sports ohio.

(every reds fan watching just nodded.)

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:14 PM
I feel bad for Trevor Bauer today, he has to be pinpoint perfect because this offense isn't helping him out

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:14 PM
No. Thom is wrong. Just yesterday he killed Jack Clark.

"thom killed jack clark" has some serious staying power. it's going to be around for a while.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:15 PM
this isn't a normal season. Results are needed ASAP and if they aren't there then find somebody who can provide them. I think Aquino needs to inserted into the lineup and given a shot

Yes, there are less games.

But the game is still the exact same. It's not like these guys aren't producing as a result of effort.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:16 PM
bauer looks great

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 02:17 PM
7 Ks for Bauer

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:17 PM
thom is amazed so many fans watch the reds on fox sports ohio.

(every reds fan watching just nodded.)

I'd go easy on Thom for this one. Him killing Jack Clark is one thing, but he's just toeing the company line of promoting his employer and making Reds baseball sound like a big deal. That's part of his job.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:17 PM
i always thought moose got his nickname based on his last name. turns out, it's because of his teeth.

[sorry]

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:18 PM
They haven’t and that’s not true at all. It’s an undetermined amount of time.

Yes. And you don’t have to fail a COVID test. It could just be precautionary pending test results. Moose could be back fairly soon if things work out.

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:18 PM
Maybe Nick can get us started here in the 4th

KYExtemper
07-26-2020, 02:18 PM
I hope the contact tracers for Moose are going to Jake Sweeney Auto....

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:19 PM
I'd go easy on Thom for this one. Him killing Jack Clark is one thing, but he's just toeing the company line of promoting his employer and making Reds baseball sound like a big deal. That's part of his job.

ha, i agree, it was just funny. a guy most reds fans cannot stand to listen to is sitting there talking about how he's amazed how many fans tune in. we're amazed too, thom. we do it despite your presence.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:20 PM
castellanos seems to be "hacking" at the ball and not swinging at it.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:20 PM
I’d advise Reds announcers to cut the chatter about a championship.

You don’t win based on press clippings, as they say. Or even team salary level.

Reds are better, but they haven’t proven anything yet. Let’s just see how it develops for awhile.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:21 PM
reds are making this turnbull guy look like a cy young candidate.

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:21 PM
Castellanos has not impressed

Strikes Out Looking
07-26-2020, 02:21 PM
I know I am a broken record but one thing that didn't change from 2019 is that the Reds, like many teams, are just waiting until they get 2 strikes and then hacking at pitches no where near the plate.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:21 PM
I’d advise Reds announcers to cut the chatter about a championship.

You don’t win based on press clippings, as they say.

Reds are better, but they haven’t proven anything yet. Let’s just see how it develops for awhile.

i imagine if they lose a series to the tigers that talk will go away quickly.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:22 PM
Ugly

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:23 PM
what is thom rambling about now? something about ERAs.

he seems quite bothered by it.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 02:23 PM
I’d advise Reds announcers to cut the chatter about a championship.

You don’t win based on press clippings, as they say. Or even team salary level.

Reds are better, but they haven’t proven anything yet. Let’s just see how it develops for awhile.

I would never give this franchise the benefit of the doubt. This team could go 59-1 and I’d consider them the underdog in any postseason matchup. The onus is on them.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:23 PM
Brennaman is just awful.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:23 PM
Now back to making fun of Thom. He says Jankowski flies out to left, then corrects himself and says "I mean Akiyama".

It was Van Meter.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:24 PM
Everybody seems to be swinging for the fences except Shogo.

Maybe just a perception based on all the swing and misses.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:25 PM
Chris Welsh will never give up the good fight of trying to educate Thom on the metrics of WAR, BABIP, FIP, and literally anything even remotely advanced.

Thom will never understand any of this.

But Chris doesn't stop trying.

jhowdy54
07-26-2020, 02:25 PM
By the time the Reds swing the bat the cather is already headed to the dugout. U guys complaining about Winker in the leadoff spot just dont understand. Winker gets on base and gives us great speed for Votto who is a gap hitter.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:25 PM
Now back to making fun of Thom. He says Jankowski flies out to left, then corrects himself and says "I mean Akiyama".

It was Van Meter.

I caught that, he was kind of busy talking about whatever.

There’s a game going on, albeit not very exciting at this point.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:25 PM
Now back to making fun of Thom. He says Jankowski flies out to left, then corrects himself and says "I mean Akiyama".

It was Van Meter.

because he was soooooo mad about ERA not being the only stat that matters for pitchers, he got "the triplets" confused. who doesn't think shogo, jankowski and van meter look identical?

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:25 PM
At the end of the day, ARE YOU GETTING THEM OUT?

jhowdy54
07-26-2020, 02:26 PM
At least we put a ball in play that inning.

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:26 PM
Thom doesn't believe GM's use things like FIP. They use W-L.

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:26 PM
Brennaman is just awful.

his voice alone makes me feel worse

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:26 PM
By the time the Reds swing the bat the cather is already headed to the dugout. U guys complaining about Winker in the leadoff spot just dont understand. Winker gets on base and gives us great speed for Votto who is a gap hitter.

yes, winker's speed is excellent.

/s

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 02:26 PM
My theory for why the Reds struggle against the AL is weak scouting. You know they’re too cheap to have eyes on every team.

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
Thom doesn't believe GM's use things like FIP. They use W-L.

we will get the answer after the break

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
Thom doesn't believe GM's use things like FIP. Thry use W-L.

thom even had a discussion with derek johnson about it! thom is trying to act like he and the reds' pitching coach are 100% aligned in their beliefs.

BluegrassRedleg
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
Poor Thom...

chicoruiz
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
Chris Welsch will never give up the good fight of trying to educate Thom on the metrics of WAR, BABIP, FIP, and literally anything even remotely advanced.

Thom will never understand any of this.

But Chris doesn't stop trying.

Thomís argument seems to be, ďI donít understand it, so it must not be a real thingĒ.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
One weak hit thru 4 innings. At GABP. Vs. the Tigers.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
My theory for why the Reds struggle against the AL is weak scouting. You know they’re too cheap to have eyes on every team.

I've often thought this was the case too.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
Brennaman is just awful.

I always start out watching the game with the volume up. I always end up turning the volume down and listening to play by play on radio. Tommy is a whole lot better than Thommy

RustyJ
07-26-2020, 02:27 PM
Thom wants to be Skip Bayless sooo bad.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:28 PM
thom invites trouble to himself. "hey, explain this obvious thing to me, chris."

"ok idiot, here you go."

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:28 PM
My theory for why the Reds struggle against the AL is weak scouting. You know they’re too cheap to have eyes on every team.

How is it still a thing to say they are cheap after the money they have commited to free agents past off season, and all of the investmenta in analytics and advanced pitching training?

I'd argue that they are poorly run, or lack talent. But they aren't really cheap.

NachoMan
07-26-2020, 02:29 PM
At least Thom's obnoxiousness is in mid-season form

757690
07-26-2020, 02:29 PM
Chris Welsh will never give up the good fight of trying to educate Thom on the metrics of WAR, BABIP, FIP, and literally anything even remotely advanced.

Thom will never understand any of this.

But Chris doesn't stop trying.

I have a hard time deciding if Thom doesn’t understand FIP because he’s not smart enough, or because he’s too stubborn.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 02:29 PM
I've often thought this was the case too.

I mean, this kid Turnbull is chewing this lineup to shreds with a waist high slider that he manages to throw for a strike. They can do absolutely nothing with it.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:29 PM
now thom knows he's getting smoked. he tried to interject a "fair enough" but welsh keeps explaining. lmao.

Stray
07-26-2020, 02:29 PM
This conversation is painful

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:29 PM
thom invites trouble to himself. "hey, explain this obvious thing to me, chris."

"ok idiot, here you go."

:laugh: This

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:30 PM
This conversation is painful

it's better than the game itself just because it's funny.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 02:30 PM
How is it still a thing to say they are cheap after the money they have commited to free agents past off season, and all of the investmenta in analytics and advanced pitching training?

I'd argue that they are poorly run, or lack talent. But they aren't really cheap.

They’ve been a franchise notorious for being cheap and cutting corners in many areas?

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:30 PM
bauer with a gift of a strikeout.

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:31 PM
I have a hard time deciding if Thom doesn’t understand FIP because he’s not smart enough, or because he’s too stubborn.

Yes.

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:31 PM
My theory for why the Reds struggle against the AL is weak scouting. You know theyíre too cheap to have eyes on every team.

That would be a good theory and that AL teams are generally stronger from top to bottom. Reds play 20 games against the AL so that could devastate this season

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:31 PM
Reds are going to waste another gem from a starting pitcher.

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:32 PM
Thom just keeps doubling down. Just fire him now and have Chris call the games alone.

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 02:32 PM
This conversation is painful

I think it’s probably good for a large segment of the fan base who agrees with Thom and is listening to him get destroyed for not understanding. Hopefully they listen as well.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:32 PM
"ERA is the only thing that matters! and jack clark is dead!"

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:32 PM
Reds are going to waste another gem from a starting pitcher.

I really hope not.

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:32 PM
I don’t comment much on announcers.

But what is going on with these announcers today? We haven’t had baseball since October. They are rambling about FIP and all kinds of extraneous topics.

There’s a game on. It’s not unimportant in a 60 game seasons. It’s not just an afterthought while you have a chat.

Now Thom is talking about the Last Dance and Michael Jordan’s trainer. Gee whiz.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:32 PM
How is it still a thing to say they are cheap after the money they have commited to free agents past off season, and all of the investmenta in analytics and advanced pitching training?

I'd argue that they are poorly run, or lack talent. But they aren't really cheap.

While I generally agree, I'd say that they've been spending money in stages. The first thing they did was revamp development. Then they went out and got FA.

Maybe AL scouting wasn't a priority compared to the other areas of need they addressed.

The Reds' pitiful performance for decades now against the AL can't just be pure bad luck.

BluegrassRedleg
07-26-2020, 02:34 PM
Thom wants to be Skip Bayless sooo bad.

I donít sense that. Heís not like this on his NFL work. I think maybe heís just been around people for so long who are dug in on this stuff that he refuses to budge.

bigfoot52
07-26-2020, 02:34 PM
Castellanos has not impressed Ditto. Who in the world dreamed up his generous contract.

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:34 PM
Theyíve been a franchise notorious for being cheap and cutting corners in many areas?

Fair, its semantics I guess. I just see a team that has been spending a ton of money lately, judt maybe not deploying it well.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
I don’t comment much on announcers.

But what is going on with these announcers today? We haven’t had baseball since October. They are rambling about FIP and all kinds of extraneous topics.

There’s a game on. It’s not unimportant in a 60 game seasons. It’s not just an afterthought while you have a chat.

Now Thom is talking about the Last Dance and Michael Jordan’s trainer. Gee whiz.

from the front office, to the manager, to the announcer ... no one does nepotism quite like the reds.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
I don’t sense that. He’s not like this on his NFL work. I think maybe he’s just been around people for so long who are dug in on this stuff that he refuses to budge.

He's clearly a fan of the Reds. He's Marty Brennaman's son, of course he grew up a fan of the Reds. So his fan-passion comes through more in broadcasts.

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
Another weakness of this team = Fielding

Stray
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
"that looked like a pretty good pitch"

It bounced.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
what a clown show.

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
Did Thom just question whether that should have been a strike??? Geez man

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
Galvis cannot let that happen

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
I don’t comment much on announcers.

But what is going on with these announcers today? We haven’t had baseball since October. They are rambling about FIP and all kinds of extraneous topics.

There’s a game on. It’s not unimportant in a 60 game seasons. It’s not just an afterthought while you have a chat.

Now Thom is talking about the Last Dance and Michael Jordan’s trainer. Gee whiz.

He didn't even know who was batting at one point.

KYExtemper
07-26-2020, 02:35 PM
Losing this series is NOT how I want to start the season. I mean it's the freakin' Tigers.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:36 PM
galvis needs to make a better effort to not allow that ball to get past him.

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 02:36 PM
9 Ks for Bauer

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:36 PM
He's clearly a fan of the Reds. He's Marty Brennaman's son, of course he grew up a fan of the Reds. So his fan-passion comes through more in broadcasts.

idk why people are complaining about Thom. He's passionate and I can tell he's a little concerned about this team especially the offense

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:36 PM
RIP Jack Clark and my hopes for 2020.

757690
07-26-2020, 02:36 PM
Thom doesn't believe GM's use things like FIP. They use W-L.

To be honest, I doubt GMís look at FIP, they look at even more advanced stats. FIP is actually a bit out dated, which reveals how out of touch Thom is.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:37 PM
Tommy Thrall is doing a great job calling play by play and making it pleasantly interesting

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:38 PM
Does anyone else keep waiting for Bauer to grab his arm in pain when you hear him grunt when he unleashes the pitch?

RustyJ
07-26-2020, 02:38 PM
I have a hard time deciding if Thom doesnít understand FIP because heís not smart enough, or because heís too stubborn.

You could tell he knew all about it just by the way he set it up. He baited Chris into explaining it for half an inning just so he rag on it more.

BluegrassRedleg
07-26-2020, 02:38 PM
Thatís the type of play weíve seen cause Bauer to unravel at times last year... Hope he can overcome it here.

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:38 PM
To be honest, I doubt GM’s look at FIP, they look at even more advanced stats. FIP is actually a bit out dated, which reveals how out of touch Thom is.

Thom has grown up around and spent time with so many old baseball guys that coach-talk is probably ingrained in his system.

He probably killed Jack Clark because Jack Clark believes in sabremetrics.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:38 PM
great job by bauer.

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:39 PM
I'm envious of the Tigers plate discipline and making Bauer work. For as much as the Tigers supposedly "suck" they've looked like the better team in this series

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 02:39 PM
Big K there.

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:39 PM
LOL....Trevor

CaiGuy
07-26-2020, 02:39 PM
My strategy for the reds for the 5th would be to bat around.

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 02:39 PM
98!

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:39 PM
98 mph cheese.

JP321
07-26-2020, 02:40 PM
Bauer is an effin bull man.. love his competitiveness

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:40 PM
Trevor Bauer ain't $#%ing around today.

chicoruiz
07-26-2020, 02:40 PM
Okay, let’s turn this thing around right now... hitters getting their third look at Turnbull, and Thom rededicating himself to doing play by play and letting Chris do the color.

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:41 PM
Tommy Thrall is doing a great job calling play by play and making it pleasantly interesting

is that the radio guy? I was listening to the first couple innings in my car on the way home.....and it was good....then I come inside to the television, and not so much

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 02:41 PM
Bauer for closer?

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:41 PM
I don’t see the Reds as in a bad slump or anything. But I wouldn’t be afraid to give Aquino a start soon. You could catch a hot streak like last year.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:43 PM
I'm envious of the Tigers plate discipline and making Bauer work. For as much as the Tigers supposedly "suck" they've looked like the better team in this series

they definitely have the better manager.

- - - Updated - - -

i was thinking the same thing about bronson arroyo and jankowski. lol welsh. good call.

- - - Updated - - -

janko on base!

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:44 PM
is that the radio guy? I was listening to the first couple innings in my car on the way home.....and it was good....then I come inside to the television, and not so much

Yes it is

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:44 PM
Back the boys up, Gardenhire. Travis has a stick

Stray
07-26-2020, 02:44 PM
He does look a lot like Bronson

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:44 PM
I think I could tell Arroyo flailing around the batters box like a lost child even from an identical twin.

Falls City Beer
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
One thing I hadn’t really considered is when several umpires get sick at once. Who is their back up crew?

Patrick Bateman
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
I'm envious of the Tigers plate discipline and making Bauer work. For as much as the Tigers supposedly "suck" they've looked like the better team in this series

Theyíve literally struck out 40 times in 23 innings. Theyíve ran into a few jacks but they have not been impressive at all. Reds just need to get the bats going.


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TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
Turnbull wants NO part of Tracy.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
dammit

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
I thought that was gone....

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
crap!!

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
Wow Casali was robbed

Stray
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
Man that's a great catch

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
Wow, tough break there.

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:45 PM
WOW! Casali was robbed!

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:46 PM
https://media1.giphy.com/media/vhaj0GMFlIeFa/giphy.gif

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:46 PM
just not enough

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:46 PM
if he does not catch that....we score 1 easy

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:46 PM
CF defense. Changes games.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:46 PM
this is exactly what we needed -- jaCoby jones turning into jim edmonds for a couple days.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:46 PM
Every close play they’ve made. They deserve to take 2 out of 3.

BluegrassRedleg
07-26-2020, 02:47 PM
Jesus...

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:47 PM
winker with a bloop hit!

NC-Red
07-26-2020, 02:47 PM
omg a hit......

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:48 PM
need Joey to stay on pace for 60 HR's

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 02:48 PM
Winker with a screaming line drive (in the box score)

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:48 PM
First break of the series

757690
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
Reds starting to get good swings off of Turnbull.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
bloop RBI from votto!

bloop fest!

JaxRed
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
Winker with a screaming line drive (in the box score)

Votto with a screaming line drive !!!

HammerTime
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
JDV!

Ron Madden
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
RBI single Joey!!!

Kc61
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
A walk and two bloops. I’ll take it.

Reds Fanatic
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
Votto drives in the tying run

adkindo
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
Votto comes through with RBI

podgejeff_
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
Joey Votto is the greatest human being ever.

So the opposite of Davidson.

JFLegal
07-26-2020, 02:49 PM
Okay, letís turn this thing around right now... hitters getting their third look at Turnbull, and Thom rededicating himself to doing play by play and letting Chris do the color.

lmao

BCubb2003
07-26-2020, 02:50 PM
Votto couldn’t have thrown it any better.

TheBigLebowski
07-26-2020, 02:50 PM
Whoo

BluegrassRedleg
07-26-2020, 02:50 PM
Címon, A. Hugh. Time to crush one.